WEBVTT - Ep. 258: The Chit and the Poof

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<v Speaker 1>This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely

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<v Speaker 1>you stand with on X. I'm having a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>problems with my fake tooth. Well I have to fake

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I have a few fake teeth. One of

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<v Speaker 1>my fake teeth. We're gonna fill the listeners at home

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<v Speaker 1>into what we're talking about, Okay, then we'll get down

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<v Speaker 1>to a bunch of this stuff. Okay. Um, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I told people along time we're hunting in Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>When was that last fall? Hunting and wheming? And I

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<v Speaker 1>developed a horrible, horrible toothache, like bad, um so bad

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<v Speaker 1>that I was it was hard to eat my supper

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<v Speaker 1>got real painful. Ran into a guy that I would

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<v Speaker 1>have thought, I don't mean to discredit this dude, like

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<v Speaker 1>I just caught him on a whatever day, like, but

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<v Speaker 1>someone's like, hey, that guy is a dentist. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mean to generalize or stereotype like looking at him.

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't see dentist. When I looked at him,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't like, there's a dentist. I expected dynist to

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<v Speaker 1>be wearing a golf shirt or something, right, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>lo and behold, the guy was a dentist. And he

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<v Speaker 1>goes in, uh, he goes and gets me some some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of opioid from his dentist shop. And I started

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<v Speaker 1>taking that get holding right away. I walk into my

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<v Speaker 1>regular dentist and he's like, that thing's got to come out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had broken the what do you call it,

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<v Speaker 1>part goes way up in your head, your root. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I cracked the root probably a long time ago, but

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<v Speaker 1>it had become all infected. So they pulled it out

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<v Speaker 1>and they packed it full of I know I covered

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<v Speaker 1>this on the show. They packed it full of cadaver bone.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, remember here. So there I am walking around

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<v Speaker 1>all days spitting up chunks of someone else's bone. M

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<v Speaker 1>not show people. And then when they put that cadaver

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<v Speaker 1>bone in there, I asked him, I said, what can

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<v Speaker 1>you tell me about the feller? Who uh, who's bone

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<v Speaker 1>I have? And they can't. They can't tell anything about

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<v Speaker 1>him legally, they can't just that or they don't know

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but I would like to. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>visit his relatives or something to tell you he could

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<v Speaker 1>have been a horrible guy. I don't know. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you know? It's just one person probably swallowed some of

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<v Speaker 1>that and then what They filled the cavity full of bones,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're I might be screwing this up. They fill

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<v Speaker 1>the the vacated spots, They yank all the junk out

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<v Speaker 1>of there, basically take a jackhammer to it and put

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<v Speaker 1>all that gunk out of there. Then they fill some

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<v Speaker 1>full of some dude's bones. And somehow I could be

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<v Speaker 1>getting this wrong with like like like your body recognizes

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<v Speaker 1>bone is bone somehow and then makes it turn into

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<v Speaker 1>bone fills in the gaps. Yeah, it's like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. There's something. But the little granules come up.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like three g gunpowder coming out of there.

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<v Speaker 1>You are spitting it up. You know. I'd spit it

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<v Speaker 1>up and show people eventually that that healed up. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to wait months. I say, how long does it

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<v Speaker 1>take for your body to start that process? I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was like three or four months? Okay. Then I

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<v Speaker 1>go in there and they put in a titanium socket

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<v Speaker 1>like a female redded a component, and you're body heals

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<v Speaker 1>around that. The bone heals around that socket. So he

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<v Speaker 1>told me, if you ever lose this tooth, mean the

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<v Speaker 1>one that's given me all the trouble. He's like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you ever lose this tooth, it'll take a chunk of

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<v Speaker 1>your jaw with it. Like this thing is in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and you put that socket there, then you wait three

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<v Speaker 1>or four more months. During that interval, I started the

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<v Speaker 1>question why I have the molder anyway? Yeah? Why you

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<v Speaker 1>just get it removed? Because, um, once I got used

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<v Speaker 1>to it not being there, there was no problem. And

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<v Speaker 1>I started asking around and a lot of my closest

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<v Speaker 1>friends and associates are missing their teeth. Seth here say

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<v Speaker 1>something stuff. I'm just he doesn't have one, he says.

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<v Speaker 1>The only well you tell him? South, Tell what, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the only time you remember that you're missing your molar?

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<v Speaker 1>The only time I remember, um, when I missing it

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<v Speaker 1>is when I'm eating trail mixing a peanut that's just

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<v Speaker 1>the right size and get stuck in there. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 1>open up. It's like a decoit moler. Oh yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>this tooth was a root canal that they did a

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<v Speaker 1>root canal on it, and then you know, they killed

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<v Speaker 1>the roots, so just eventually decayed and fell apart and

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<v Speaker 1>fell out, and I took the rest out, and they

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<v Speaker 1>tried to talk in to give him two thousand bucks

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<v Speaker 1>for a new one. Yeah, they told me I had

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<v Speaker 1>to come back and get it paired up or fixed up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I never went. My problem is I lost the

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<v Speaker 1>one right up front, and if I didn't have that,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be I think I would be judged, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this hockey player, this front one's fake. I always believe

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<v Speaker 1>in getting your front ones. Yeah, you have fake's front

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<v Speaker 1>horse trailer handy man Jack, how'd they happen? Dirt? That

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<v Speaker 1>is the dirtiest hat I ever seen in my entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely the record. It looks like it's waxed, candidates waterproof.

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<v Speaker 1>This handyman Jack's a good story for the listeners, so

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<v Speaker 1>they prevent losing the front two table. Let me tell

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear it, but it's want to remind

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<v Speaker 1>people where we're at. I'm in the middle of telling

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<v Speaker 1>this is not what this show is about. The show

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<v Speaker 1>is about firearms. I'm in the middle of telling about

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<v Speaker 1>all my problems in my tooth, which is people are

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<v Speaker 1>dying to know about this is like really like people

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<v Speaker 1>are loving this episode. Never mind you please, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear the handyman Jack. I'm joking about them. I'm joking,

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<v Speaker 1>but no one cares about my moler. But I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell them anyway. I don't care. Well, you just I

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<v Speaker 1>was they care about. I was always told with those

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<v Speaker 1>handyman Jack's that you know, keep your face away from

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<v Speaker 1>the handle because they're prone to kind of jump on you.

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<v Speaker 1>People know what a handyman Jack is. Dead man's life

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<v Speaker 1>and it was jammed up. Nowadays, the young waper snappers

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<v Speaker 1>like to have a fix to the outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>truck red because they're gonna do some serious jacket uh um,

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<v Speaker 1>hey do can the monkey Wrench gang? He was he

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of good things. Oh yeah, they're great,

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<v Speaker 1>but if they get gunked up. Well, it got gunked up.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a horse trailer on it, and then my

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<v Speaker 1>brother couldn't get it unloose, and I just went over

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<v Speaker 1>there and kicked it, and the handle popped me in

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<v Speaker 1>the face couple of times more than one. It was

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<v Speaker 1>quick because it was like, yeah, I kicked it and

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<v Speaker 1>it released whatever was stuck, but my face was over

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<v Speaker 1>the handle. I mean before I didn't even hurt. There

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<v Speaker 1>was like a battle of Buster, the battle of the

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<v Speaker 1>Buster scrugs or the guy getting shot twice by the pistol.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't even know it because it's so quick. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>knocked that tooth out. I actually broke it and knocked it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's just bent kind But yeah, to root canals

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<v Speaker 1>and set both those chief line. No, just the one,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think they did two root canals because it

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<v Speaker 1>got infected or something. I camera. Yeah, it was funny

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<v Speaker 1>in hell. One time I had my brother shot this

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<v Speaker 1>one out for begun. No man, we got to take

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<v Speaker 1>an uh we're little kids, man. We took aluminum arrows

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<v Speaker 1>and cut the ends off them, cut the knock off

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<v Speaker 1>and cut the insert off. And we realized that those

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<v Speaker 1>light bright pegs, remember light bright. Oh god, it gives

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<v Speaker 1>me like you get this, there's this board full of holes.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a light bulb when you get these designs right,

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<v Speaker 1>and like be letters to tell you what color, and

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<v Speaker 1>you put these little pegs there and the light would

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<v Speaker 1>come through the peg and you make like so whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you make like unicorn or something on a light bright.

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<v Speaker 1>But a light bright peg fit perfect in that illuminum arrow,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we do blowgun fights with those light bright

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<v Speaker 1>pegs because like a pointed projectile man it had had

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<v Speaker 1>like a good ballistic coefficient man that light But this

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<v Speaker 1>du we hung out with Davy Cole. His old man

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<v Speaker 1>worked at a ball bearing plant and had all man

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<v Speaker 1>or a ball bearings. And so someone came into some

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<v Speaker 1>ball bearings that fit that same tube, and we realized

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<v Speaker 1>how to do something called a machine gun, which is

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<v Speaker 1>where you'd fill your mouth full of those ball bearings,

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<v Speaker 1>take a deep breath, right and then and you'd use

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<v Speaker 1>your tongue funnel him in and you'd get like a

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<v Speaker 1>semi automatic effect fully automatic. So I'll be like, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had these fortresses built and whatnot and goggles,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But I remember he come up and he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of ripped me, crotched the eyeball with a with

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, with a burst, and shot the tooth

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<v Speaker 1>clean off at the gum line. Oh man, this story,

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<v Speaker 1>like this story really starts to make its own gravy,

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<v Speaker 1>because man, I want to get back to this other thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is this is interesting. I go in and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say his name the dentist that

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<v Speaker 1>the denk I initially go to see and that did

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<v Speaker 1>a root canal on me, was later shot and killed

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<v Speaker 1>by his own son. He was watching TV and his

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<v Speaker 1>son came up behind him. How old was this? No? No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>old dude, older dude. Oh, I actually have a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of my old man. It's in my desk, my old

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<v Speaker 1>man that dennists in the in the in the Dennis's

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<v Speaker 1>kid that later shot him in the back of the

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<v Speaker 1>head watching TV. What was the reason? I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I don't think about what happened. So he

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<v Speaker 1>that dentist does a root canal. I'm building up to

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<v Speaker 1>another part of this. But he does a root canal,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I don't see any problem. Like the root

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<v Speaker 1>canal is fine. And I go throughout my life and

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<v Speaker 1>I keep getting these fake caps on there. How old

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<v Speaker 1>are you? Um? Had just grew that tooth too, because

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<v Speaker 1>you only need a little one falls out, like my

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<v Speaker 1>kids are losing all their teeth all the time. Now, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it just grew that new big bastard good target. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh a decade, it goes by, a decade plus

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<v Speaker 1>goes by, and I developed a horrible toothache hunting deer,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the weird part hunting mulder. Just like the

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<v Speaker 1>tootha I'm trying to tell about. Now, I develop a

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<v Speaker 1>horrible not a toothache and nose ache. I think something's

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<v Speaker 1>wrong my nose. I think I got a nose disease.

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<v Speaker 1>So we get done with our hunting trip and I

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<v Speaker 1>go to the dentist or a doctor. I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>something's wrong the inside of my nose. And he's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a nose you got a tooth problem. To

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<v Speaker 1>go to dnist. It's not a nose problem. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the dentist and he's like, your root canal is abscess

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<v Speaker 1>or failed or whatever. He gets the rooting around in

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<v Speaker 1>there and pulls out a hunk of rusted file. It

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<v Speaker 1>looked like a file that if you threw a file

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<v Speaker 1>down into the ocean, like in some ocean beach right

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<v Speaker 1>at my fish shack. If you throw an old rat

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<v Speaker 1>tail file out there and left it there for ten

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<v Speaker 1>years and went back and got it, that's what it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like, a rusted, pitted, how long file about an

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<v Speaker 1>inch and a half long. Holy show. And the guy

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<v Speaker 1>got it out and he said, man, I could not

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<v Speaker 1>tell what I was looking at on the X ray,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was metal and he had busted off the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that got shot by his kid had busted off

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<v Speaker 1>a hunk a rat tail file up in there. Pastor

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever told my old man, or told my old man,

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<v Speaker 1>or didn't tell me old man, I don't know, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh sealed it up in there where it's set to

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<v Speaker 1>rusting the cane and whatnot. I don't know, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>it's not oxidizing. Maybe there's an oxygen. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it's oxygen there not, But either way, got all

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<v Speaker 1>rusty and I kept that thing and walked around it

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time ago. I can't figure out what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell I did with it, which leads me to

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<v Speaker 1>question about that was this around when you went to

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<v Speaker 1>a guy on it the first time? No, No, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm trying to get taken. Well, I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get to my main dental problem. But the funny part

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<v Speaker 1>is one time, so I had that fake too, like

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<v Speaker 1>from the all this the whole story, I had that

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<v Speaker 1>fake tooth, and one time it fell out in the snow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about knee deep snow, and I knew right where

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<v Speaker 1>it fell out because I was laying down trying to shoot.

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<v Speaker 1>I was actually late, like drawing a bead on something,

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<v Speaker 1>and um in the snow, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>like when I put my cheek up to the I

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<v Speaker 1>put my cheek up to the stock, it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>something not right, do you know what I mean? Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a normal field or like somehow not right.

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<v Speaker 1>And and yeah, and it was just we looked and

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<v Speaker 1>looked through that snow. But you can't find a tooth

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<v Speaker 1>in the snow? Were you muled you're hunting that time? Dude?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get the critter you were beating up on?

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<v Speaker 1>How is that great? How was that gripping grand photo?

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<v Speaker 1>Having a bad time with that tooth? So this current

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<v Speaker 1>issue I'm having once I got it out, So you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a tooth. Another close relative of mine, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's missing a couple of them. And he said, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>think less of you if you get that mouler installed.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they don't serve any purpose. And when I went in,

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<v Speaker 1>they make you sign a little thing because they must

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of people go home thinking they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get a molar and change their mind once they realize

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<v Speaker 1>that they're stupid into that. They try to make you

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<v Speaker 1>sign like a little agreement that you're gonna turn back

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<v Speaker 1>up again to get the mouler installed, which can't be binding.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, all the time goes by and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even want the stupid mouler anymore. But people keep trying

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<v Speaker 1>to say, like, oh, your teeth will all migrate spread out.

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<v Speaker 1>And my wife would say, if you smile big, I

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<v Speaker 1>can see the whole where it used to be as

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<v Speaker 1>a cameraman, you smile real big, I see that whole,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what. Then I get where I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>care anymore, and I think mullers are stupid. And I

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<v Speaker 1>go down and they put the moller in, and there

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<v Speaker 1>is not a day gone by. I'm happy they got

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<v Speaker 1>that molder in there. It is the This is what

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<v Speaker 1>me and Rick were talking about before we hit record.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the food catching this some of a bit

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<v Speaker 1>on the planet. I watched your brushing your teeth there

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<v Speaker 1>to night, and I was like, wow, Steve's really going

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<v Speaker 1>to town outside of his face. But you thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing it over here. I thought you were, But

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<v Speaker 1>then I was over here you were in the mirror.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe no, I looked I just glanced up at him,

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<v Speaker 1>but I saw Steve just going to town. I was like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I must be still trying to get stuff out of

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<v Speaker 1>your teeth. Well I get it out all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Something's stuck in there killing me. Uh that's all okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that was That was an interesting story. I have a question, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>please go ahead, unrelated to your teeth, but when you

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<v Speaker 1>were doing the ball bearing fights, did anyone ever swallow

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<v Speaker 1>a ball bearing? Not that I recall. We had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of access these. Oh. An invention we worked on

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<v Speaker 1>for quite a while and we're a little is we um.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt that you that we were working on an

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<v Speaker 1>invention whereby you'd take ball bearings and make a masking

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<v Speaker 1>tape you it was meant to be a frag grenade.

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<v Speaker 1>M not a frag what's the kind of gre you're

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<v Speaker 1>from the military. What's the grenade that has the shrapnel

0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.520
<v Speaker 1>that flies out? Frag grenade? But you're trying to probably claimer,

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<v Speaker 1>but all that is the kind of just go nothing

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<v Speaker 1>happens like a concussion grenade. Fragmentation grenade is the one

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<v Speaker 1>we were working on it. We're working on a frag

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<v Speaker 1>grenade in bention, by which you take half dozen ball

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<v Speaker 1>bearings and wrap them in masking tape, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>you pulled back with your slingshot, thinking being that you'd

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<v Speaker 1>hit a tree or outside of a house or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and the masking shower squirrels or your brother or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>shower them with freg freg. I think it's a good

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<v Speaker 1>inventive thing for kids to do that work. No, we

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<v Speaker 1>never got it perfected. We worked on We worked on

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit that little bit of technology. Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of good access to ball bearing. Another one more

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<v Speaker 1>ball bearing question. When you guys were going around shooting

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<v Speaker 1>knees at each other, would you pick them back up

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<v Speaker 1>off the ground and keep popping them in your mouth

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<v Speaker 1>as you'd go My mom's if you went in and

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<v Speaker 1>I should have my mom on the should My mom's

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<v Speaker 1>primary gripe in life was um, if you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like my mom had a hoover vacuum. Um. Remember I

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<v Speaker 1>had a little light bulb like a little headlight. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember my brother taking that out and eating it

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<v Speaker 1>and just caught in the inside of his mouth on

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<v Speaker 1>the holy hell and needed to go try to eat it.

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<v Speaker 1>I screwed it out. When he's a little little kid,

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<v Speaker 1>pulled out, not during the baby dude. He crashed into

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the house one time. I got thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two stitches across his fore him. My mouth thought he

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<v Speaker 1>was dead. Older brother, You need to have your mom,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt and Dan the podcast to sort all this ship out.

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<v Speaker 1>Because my dad didn't know what my dad had. He

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<v Speaker 1>had one of those sleds of the Runners on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and my dad's shoved down the hill towards the house

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't know he couldn't steer. My dad sy

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<v Speaker 1>He's kept going, going, going, going, flap right into the

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<v Speaker 1>block foundation of and uh got all those stitches and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>then ate that light bulb out of the hoover. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to my mom back and you know, like and

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<v Speaker 1>also you're here like where you suck up one of

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<v Speaker 1>those ball bearings or babies or something. Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>you would get bad. But I'm sure I have no

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<v Speaker 1>doubt we recycled. Yah, it was pretty covid. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta steve, You gotta hanger on the left. Good things,

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<v Speaker 1>good thing, it's radio. I want to get it though, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you got it. Um, explain to me U one of

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<v Speaker 1>you pencil we're in Pennsylvania. We're with two genuine Pennsylvanians.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Cotton, I've never been on the show before. First time,

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<v Speaker 1>Seth Morris many times, dirts from Montana. No Pa roots here,

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence here, how's it going? Minnesota guy Minnesota, camera, Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>and Washington. Never been hunting his life, Smith Um explain

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<v Speaker 1>to me how uh I want. I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into the like the flint lock deal, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing I want to cover off on, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really interesting, is that we spent a fair bit

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<v Speaker 1>of time talking about Sunday hunting over the years. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting to me that the ban on Sunday hunting

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<v Speaker 1>goes back three years prior to Custer dying at the

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<v Speaker 1>Little Big Horn. Unrelated, very unrelated, but he put it

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<v Speaker 1>in perspective, Yeah, eighteen seventy three mm just wrapping up

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<v Speaker 1>the old Civil War was uh. I don't even so.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of that stuff researched before we came out here.

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<v Speaker 1>But I definitely that predates depends Whania Game Commission, but

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<v Speaker 1>that might be one of the first legal laws pertaining

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<v Speaker 1>the hunting. I know it says also but the band

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<v Speaker 1>of seating spotted fawns in one year in eighteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 1>they banned killing fawns with spotted coats and Sunday hunting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like deeply rooted in this state. I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to go back to hear um what was said

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<v Speaker 1>at the time me too, Like what was like like

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<v Speaker 1>like how vocal was the debate I have? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it was super vocal or anything, but

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<v Speaker 1>you just the only way I can wrap my head

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<v Speaker 1>around it, it's, you know, it's Commonwealth, and Pennsylvania is

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<v Speaker 1>a Quaker state. You know, Philadelphia and the history of

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<v Speaker 1>the states all based in the Quaker faith. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Sabbath cannot go out on Sunday to day of rest.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's But other than that, I don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>exact route to that, But I can't imagine was he

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<v Speaker 1>it was accepted generally, Probably was, to be honest, I think, so, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if people were pissed. I mean, some people

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<v Speaker 1>had passed and some people had to ignored it for long.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just I bet a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>ignored it. What's interesting is that then stood for like

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred and six years and just now, just now

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<v Speaker 1>it's they're starting to ease. Was the first year Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>hunting is allowed. Seth knows the Actually they allowed three Sundays. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was one Sunday, which was one Sunday in archery,

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<v Speaker 1>which was the last Sunday in November. It's not the

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<v Speaker 1>last Sunday November, but the last Sunday of the season

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<v Speaker 1>is in November. Um, the Sunday during bear season and

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<v Speaker 1>then a sun the first Sunday of the rifle season

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<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania are the three Sundays that you can now

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<v Speaker 1>hunt unless you choose to hunt coyotes, foxes, or crows.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a okay, definitely, it must be the devil's critters. Well,

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.520
<v Speaker 1>they messed with agriculture more. That's why. That's why it

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<v Speaker 1>eased up. So what do you do you think they're

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<v Speaker 1>aiming toward? Like, um, there's like a lot of movement

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<v Speaker 1>away from blue like blue laws at first two. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what blue laws will be, like all these things like

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<v Speaker 1>your tavern can't be open on a Sunday, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do this on a Sunday, that on a Sunday. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that this is just like a step toward

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<v Speaker 1>like getting rid of that altogether. Yeah, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania is the state that's been stepping that way because

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<v Speaker 1>when we were kids, I don't know the alcohol on

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<v Speaker 1>by week, like no alcohol sales and Sunday. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>my dad could never you can never buy alcohol on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you can write something like that or yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's in it up now because he used to always

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<v Speaker 1>be distributors and now there's beer and stores, like they're

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<v Speaker 1>allowing grocery stores to get and I don't it's because

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.159
<v Speaker 1>those stores are buying. There's like a there's like a

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<v Speaker 1>set amount of liquor licenses m h. And like I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they can make anymore. So like if

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<v Speaker 1>a bar goes out of business, someone else can buy

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<v Speaker 1>their liquor license, so like you know, for an example,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bar in Milesburg, Pennsylvania, which was, um not

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<v Speaker 1>too not too far from here. Um a bar went

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<v Speaker 1>out of business. A gas station bought the liquor license

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<v Speaker 1>and set up shop right across the street and they

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<v Speaker 1>sell the gas station cells like twelve packs and stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>cells beer, which that never used to be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>So like that's easing up, like blue laws are changing

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<v Speaker 1>now Sunday hunting, which that's been a big thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't been in Pennsylvania for all that shift, but

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<v Speaker 1>I know growing up here, I couldn't stand the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we could not hunt on Sunday. I thought it

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.399
<v Speaker 1>was the dumbest things terrible. It would it be such?

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<v Speaker 1>Is like as strict as if you were hunting out

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<v Speaker 1>of season? Or is it like a lesser five? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but it's I think it's yeah, hunting

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<v Speaker 1>out of season for sure, it's that kind of punishment. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would think, Rick, you know, since you better never

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<v Speaker 1>better in the show before, tell them, tell people what

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 1>you do. Know, then we're gonna talk about what you

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<v Speaker 1>do in the past. Okay. Uh So, I am the

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<v Speaker 1>content community manager for f h F Gear stands for

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<v Speaker 1>Fish Hunt Fight Gear. We manufacture the Viinal harness you

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<v Speaker 1>wear on the show and a bunch of other US

0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:38.880
<v Speaker 1>made hunting and fishing gear. So in some tactical gear.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, uh, you studied forestry, you like you answer?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you guys meet through the forestry world? Yeah? We

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 1>met at penn State mon Alto, which is a branch

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<v Speaker 1>campus of the main the main campus UM which is

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<v Speaker 1>in mon Alto, Pennsylvania and used to be the Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 1>State forest Academy. Gifford penn Show started it because we

0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 1>grew up in Milford, Pennsylvania. He started it, uh, and

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:08.360
<v Speaker 1>then penn State bought it turned it into a branch campus.

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<v Speaker 1>But all the original buildings on the campus were built

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:13.719
<v Speaker 1>by the original forestry students. Like they would show up

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<v Speaker 1>up by train, they would get issued acts, a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of tools, they go to class, they come back in

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<v Speaker 1>like Conklin Hall on the campus and everything. They built

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<v Speaker 1>all that by hand, all the forestry students. So the

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 1>campus still has a very big associate degree program. That's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of Seth and I started in the associate degree

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:35.159
<v Speaker 1>UM got our associates in forest technology, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>went to Penn State. We both went to penn State

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>main campus. I finished with a bachelor's and forced management.

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Seth switch to agriculture. So, well, what was the draw

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.679
<v Speaker 1>to forestry. I swant to be in the woods, and

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought going into it, I just wanted to be

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 1>in the woods. I thought it would make me a

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 1>better outdoorsman learning UH, and that was always ultimate goal,

0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.879
<v Speaker 1>to be like a well rounded outdoorsman woodsman like a naturalist.

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah kind of you can say like that, but I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just get better at hunting and fishing, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that would be a good thing. I also

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 1>thought it would be easy, like could be something I

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 1>can do in college, because I did not. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>good at math. I didn't wanna you know, do any

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 1>like crazy crazy. Uh. I want to say like they

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 1>want to work hard in college, because I definitely ended

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.199
<v Speaker 1>up working very hard. But you were mistaken with the

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.119
<v Speaker 1>easy part. Yeah, that's why I was just going around it.

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 1>We get slap in the slap in the face. It

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<v Speaker 1>was extremely hard and have way more math than ever,

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.680
<v Speaker 1>statistics everything it was. Yeah, and and at that point,

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 1>mon Alto which it still does, has a very hard program. Well,

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:37.360
<v Speaker 1>you guys are telling me about the tests where they

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>take fifty limb buds, leafless branches, sections of twigs, sections

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:46.439
<v Speaker 1>of twigs, lay them out and you got to identify all.

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>So you'd walk in the laboratory. They be fifty sheets

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:52.239
<v Speaker 1>of paper and on each piece of paper and they

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 1>were all distance out so you couldn't cheat off your buddy.

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>And you'd walk around and no complete silence everything, and

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>they'll just be a one inch four inch little twig

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 1>with just the buds. But what about unlike the pines

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, there be u fascicle like which is the

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.440
<v Speaker 1>clump a clump of needles like a five needle or three.

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:16.919
<v Speaker 1>You know, hard pines, well not always. You got a

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of different types of conifer. Now it's all stuff

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 1>native to Pennsylvania since we're in Pennsylvania, but a lot

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.399
<v Speaker 1>of the species rupping down that northeast. But like with

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the hard pines, you got table mountain, pitch, all different

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:30.680
<v Speaker 1>types like you can it can get a little tricky,

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>or there be a cone, an armored cone. You know,

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.159
<v Speaker 1>the soft pines were easy for us here and that

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania, but sometimes the armored cones, like shortly pine,

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>table mountain and pitch, sometimes their cones are a little

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 1>hard to tell apart. So it would just be that

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 1>and you'd have to do family genus species in the Latin,

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 1>and I think sometimes it asked like you'd have to

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>say a fact about that tree. You had to know

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>all that and then yeah, that was for dendrology and

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 1>we had I don't remember on that one. I was

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>good at the at dendro. I wasn't good at anything else.

0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I really wish I knew my trees better. I walk

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.640
<v Speaker 1>around and go up, that's the tree. We had to

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:12.159
<v Speaker 1>be able to identify how many tree species it was

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.199
<v Speaker 1>in like our hundred twenties, like ballpark is what we

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>learned family and species. And we'd have we'd have like

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<v Speaker 1>we would go out so we would do part of

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>our exams where we would do like field tests, and

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 1>like we would walk out into a field. We'd have

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 1>these little pieces of paper and our our professor would

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>point to a tree and we'd have to write it

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>down and handed to her h and then she'd do

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 1>that for I don't know scies. We weekly like that.

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>How many in your class? I think I graduated with

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 1>like nine or eleven or something like that. I started

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>with third with thirty some in the program, but after

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 1>the end of the two years it was only like sixteen,

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>may be of my associate and then I only graduated

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 1>my bachelor's with like six to nine people something. There

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>was some attrition, very very much. First they first they

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>dropped like flies because it's hard because everyone did they

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 1>pick it. It's weird you guys got that far. Then

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>chickened out and went into different fields, didn't I worked.

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I worked in forestry. Then he went into the military.

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Well that was a different like goal. But then when

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I got back, I went right into work for pheasants forever.

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 1>And then I worked for pheasants forever and then went

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 1>out to US for service. And I used to work

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>for the Game Commission in college. You know your observation

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>that you thought by studying forestry you could be better

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 1>at hunting and fishing. Um, we're having it. We were

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about that one time with with our beloved Pat

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Durkin mhm, and like just like woodsmanship and being a naturalist, right,

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and he was saying, Um, he's kind of expressing this

0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>almost like it's unfortunate. He's like, you know, he spent

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time profiling like very effective deer hunters,

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>like stone cold killers on white tails. You know, he said,

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the thing he's found a lot of these guys they

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>can't tell you what kind of tree their tree stands

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>hanging in. Really, that like amazes me. He's like it

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>just like it takes a lot, but it doesn't take

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>that I saw. I saw one time, I saw a dude. Um,

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 1>he's like instant famous does a lot of white tail

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 1>hunting in the Midwest. And he was going around like

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>scouting the property and he was saying, how, um, you

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>could tell this was a fresh deer rub because it

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>was low on the tree. Then old deer rub will

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>be higher in a tree because the tree grows up. Yeah,

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, leave a comment. I didn't know,

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't, but I was like that man probably knows

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 1>his shipload about deer but has no clue how a

0:30:56.640 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 1>tree grows. But it definitely doesn't know how a tree grows.

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 1>That's really funny. Yeah, uh, yeah, that's interesting because, um,

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>we shot the steel broad head into a tree in

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>our yard and we're a little and you can still

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 1>see like a little swell from it there and it yeah,

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 1>never change height. Um. That's surprising though, that that's the case,

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>because I felt like, and I'm sure Seth would agree,

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>when you learn all your species and then to you

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>really start getting into like silvics of the species, Like

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you can look back that the whole Landscapes of history book,

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and you can look at how stuff regenerated. You can

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 1>look at stumps, you can start breaking the for it

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>like we do. We break everything down and stands okay,

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>group group of trees that is um unique to like

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>a size species. You can start lumping them together and

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>you can just create these rooms, like you can actually

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>create a betting area wide deer betting there. Then you

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 1>can see travel corridor and then you can actually see

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:02.479
<v Speaker 1>like why especially with mass producing eastern hardwoods, when you're

0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>dropping acorns and everything, and like we're talking about their day,

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>like there, the deer will eat white oak acorns before

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>they start hammering on the wet red oak acorns because

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>the tannins and stuff. See, when you start knowing that,

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>you can break it all down and make sense. It's

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>not just a bunch of green stamps. I think it's

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>like it's a component. It's helpful, but there's a lot

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>of ways around it totally. Just like you know, every

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>day I'm treeing the woods, but be fidgety. I think

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 1>it helps. Not patient, but you don't need to, but

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>it definitely helps. So when uh so you got out

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 1>of that whole deal, got out of school, Yeah, and

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>then I want to get to bout I want to

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>get to the part about uh no, you know where

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm going. I asked you as there's a part of

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that I had to ask if I could ask, but

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm not asking that yet. But um, I caught when

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 1>we were talking, so I know you were in the

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>service and your old man was and he was injured

0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:01.719
<v Speaker 1>in Iraq. Yes, it's it's so weird that at this

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 1>point to be talking to a grown man who's old

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>man was in the Iraq War was injured in Iraq.

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>What branch of the services? He in Marine Corps. Yeah,

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 1>he was forty he turned forty three in Iraq. He

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>was old though when he was there. Yeah, he Um,

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>he did twenty four years. Most of that was in

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the reserve. So yeah, but he and that he got deployed,

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>you know three, Yeah, because it was right after like

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I shot my first year when I was twelve. Everything

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 1>was two thousand and two, and he deployed in January,

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 1>went to Iraq and came back and like just under

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a year. So you were twelve and the old man

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 1>got shipped off to Iraq. One of one of the

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>last times we really like had a father son like

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>experience was when I shot my first year. Yeah, and

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 1>then uh, but you didn't see your dad for years.

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Then he got super busy, like for pre deployment all

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>that and everything, and they left in januaryly beginning, yeah,

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe middle January. I can't remember exactly when he left.

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:00.120
<v Speaker 1>I went to RACK, but he got a traumatic arain

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>injury there and then came home and from that brain injury,

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 1>he had a traumatic brain injury and a bunch of

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>spinal injuries and he just but like he just took

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 1>ivy prof and they didn't they didn't ship them home

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 1>after They really didn't know what was going on with him,

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.879
<v Speaker 1>and he just got a Parkinson's is um so from

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>his brain injury. He has a lot. He has mobile problems.

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 1>He's mostly in a wheelchair a lot and stuff and

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>has problems getting around right. And just saw him at Christmas.

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Soon when he's doing he's doing pretty good. He with

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 1>so it comes and goes, but it's all neurological. He

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 1>has a deep brain stimulator too. He's one of the

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 1>first people in the US to get a deep sprain stimulator.

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 1>So he has it, and I'm pretty sure he was

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the first guy to have it installed on his left

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 1>shoulder instead of was right because he wanted to still

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>shoot a firearm and they were all putting him on

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:46.240
<v Speaker 1>He had the right shoulder, and he asked the surgeon

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>if he could put it on his left so he

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>could still shoulder a firearm. But it's like a pacemaker

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>goes down into his brain pulse states and um helps

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.879
<v Speaker 1>his uh dopamine levels for mobility and everything. So yeah,

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 1>so with that, I yeah, I uh so, then you

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 1>felt compelled to go to the Marine Corps. No, no,

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 1>it was it was opposite. All I wanted to do

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 1>was go to the Marines when I was a kid.

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 1>And then I with his mobility and struggle as I

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>was just being a sixteen year old kid being an idiot,

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and I just struggled with that fact. And I was

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:19.040
<v Speaker 1>irritated at A because we had to kind of figure

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 1>out what was going on with his situation with the

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>v A and he couldn't work no more when he

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 1>got medically retired and everything. And so I did not

0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 1>join the military eighteen, which is my biggest regret in

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 1>my life, even though I'm glad where my life is

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:33.319
<v Speaker 1>right now, but I did not join an eighteen. I

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 1>went to college and did mon Alto, and then my

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>sophomore year of college, I started having big regrets about it,

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 1>and I made the decision to to just join after

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>call post college. So that did how long? Uh so

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I did? Uh? I was doing officers candidate like recruiting

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:58.319
<v Speaker 1>and ended up graduating and I was six months out.

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I was living on cess farm, just way to get

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 1>like a date to go to officers Can school ship date,

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>because you don't like you gotta get accepted. And at

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 1>this time there's a huge bottleneck. They really slimmed down

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>how many guys were going officers Can at school. So

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 1>I ended up getting impatient and I enlisted, um various reasons,

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of family stuff too. I didn't know if

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.319
<v Speaker 1>I can, Like my dad wasn't doing too well at

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>that point, um so, and I wanted to go infantry

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.439
<v Speaker 1>really bad. So I ended up the contract I did

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>was infantry, but I went reserve. So so then I

0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:32.319
<v Speaker 1>did boot camp school of Infantry, and then I put

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:34.319
<v Speaker 1>back in reserving in Pennsylvania and I just did four

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 1>years because at the end of the four years, my

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>plan was I would try to go back officer. But

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 1>that's when moving to Montana and that was a better

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>new Yeah, I want to change that at all. Did

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 1>your dad support your Oh yeah, yep, yep, he was Yeah,

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>my mom supported to. Yeah, but it was you know,

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>that was at the draft. I was in and left,

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>so I was when everything was starting to really settle down.

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:00.719
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, no, I was very board. I grew up

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>in a military family. Almost all the males of my

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>family served. So talking about when you got like, uh,

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>when you went through your health christ Yeah, okay, so

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>this is part Steve really likes. Not that I like it,

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 1>it's just something we's just like a thing we haven't

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:30.879
<v Speaker 1>never explored. Yeah. No, So that was a fat kid

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 1>always you know, always overweight, um like all growing up. Yeah,

0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 1>for the most part, I got you know heavy when

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 1>I was ten around then and everything all through. But

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I was still very active. I got was an Eagle Scout,

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 1>did boy Scouts. We did backpacking all the time, fifty

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:49.919
<v Speaker 1>mile backpacks every year. We did a couple of them.

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:52.840
<v Speaker 1>So super active. But in college I got, like the

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:55.719
<v Speaker 1>freshman fifteen, really packed on some pounds and I got

0:37:55.760 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>up to two and thirty some pounds. I am five

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>that is funny, So the military only does he by

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 1>whole inch, so I'm five nine on their records, but

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm five eight and a half. So yeah, they rouned

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 1>you up. They round you up, which is good well

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 1>because you get a weight cap and I was always

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the guys that was pushing it. So also

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 1>they gave you an extra half inish to help you

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 1>out in the weight case. That's usually generally what to do. Um,

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure to think how big that is? So what

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>was the weight again too, like to mid two thirties.

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what like the max max pound it was,

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 1>but it was in them two thirties and I'm five

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>eight and a half and in uh five months, I

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>lost like fifty five pounds just one day. I just yeah,

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I made a decision. I was like, this is done.

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm done doing this and that's all it is. It's

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 1>a mental But when you made the decision, what was

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.760
<v Speaker 1>your understanding of why it was that it had happened

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.120
<v Speaker 1>to you? Not tracking with the quiet? What's your like?

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 1>You must have said, like you didn't make a decision

0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>to get thin. You had to make a decision that

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>that underdo such and such thing like how did you

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 1>know what the problem? So and I was thinking about

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>doing the joining the military. I was like, well you

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.800
<v Speaker 1>got like there's weight rags. Everything got to be in shape.

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:08.319
<v Speaker 1>And that's when I made the decision. I was like, well,

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 1>if I'm gonna do that, I need to just get

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 1>in shape and too. I was never you know, I

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:14.239
<v Speaker 1>always want to be able to run faster and do

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>all that. So that was just like little all I needed,

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 1>and it clicked in my head. I was like, well,

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do it. I'm just gonna get in really

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 1>good shape. So I went down got to like at

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 1>one point, I got two hundred and fifty eight pounds.

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 1>But what are the things you changed? Diet? I got

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>up every morning and ran three miles because that's what

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the p f T was, so I knew I did

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 1>work on that timet. Uh, well, I pretty much. This

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 1>is where I made some mistakes. I starved myself. I

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:41.840
<v Speaker 1>like there was days some days I would eat a

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 1>couple of oranges. Here was that committed. Yeah, I would

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.840
<v Speaker 1>get really bad starvation headaches, but I was just so committed.

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't care, it's calories. Your calories

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 1>burned has to exceed your calories in. And that's all

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 1>I did. And I just which definitely could tell. I

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:02.400
<v Speaker 1>think her hurt my stomach a little bit by starving myself, firing.

0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:04.400
<v Speaker 1>But I you know, I would eat not like months

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 1>of just low, low calories, but there'll be a day

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 1>week I'd be like, well, I'm hardly gonna eat any day,

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 1>just keep going and I yeah. But it was easy

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:16.560
<v Speaker 1>because once I started seeing progress, I was like, this

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 1>is it. I am, I'm getting to that goal and

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 1>I did it. So yeah. So it's just it was

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 1>a mental decision to lose that weight, that's all it was.

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 1>And it's painful, but well what I went out starving

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:32.839
<v Speaker 1>myself and that will get painful and everything, and yeah,

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 1>but um, you know, one thing that was pretty awesome though,

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 1>was the encouragement people like I knew seth Man when

0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:41.279
<v Speaker 1>I lost on my weight and like everyone when they

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:44.759
<v Speaker 1>saw it was like real encouragement. When they haven't seen

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>you in like a month or a couple of weeks

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and then they see you again, you're really working at it.

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 1>It's awesome. I was, um, I was still up. He

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:54.400
<v Speaker 1>was easy year ahead of me. So I was, um,

0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>sophomore year, yeah, and you were junior year up at

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>main Camera sell Us still a month out too. I

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 1>remember coming back up to main campus to visit for

0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the weekend and I saw him. Was like, holy sh it,

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.399
<v Speaker 1>like what happened because he just like I hadn't seen

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 1>him for months all summer and I came up and

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>saw him for the first time in like three or

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 1>four months, and just like half the size he was,

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 1>And I had no clue that he was even like

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 1>trying to lose weight. Yeah, I didn't tell no one.

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 1>I was just I told every when I came back

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 1>to school. But yeah, that was it. So what was

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 1>it when you the first time he went back in

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the woods, you know, lighter, like feeling fit. It was amazing?

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, Oh yeah, I feel like I could do anything.

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>It was like running wise and everything in a Yeah, totally.

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I would encourage anyone, like if especially in a young person,

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 1>to just do it. It's a mental decision. Just make

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 1>decision and stick with it. It's gonna like suck, but

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 1>do it, because man, once you're fit and everything, you can,

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.360
<v Speaker 1>like I'm addicted to running now. I love going for

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>long runs and stuff and everything. So yeah, but tell

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:09.479
<v Speaker 1>people about the decision to uh expunge your Oh yeah,

0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 1>because that came up because we're talking about photos. Because

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I have a somewhat over Yeah, I ever regret now.

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I was so ashamed of those years of being overweight.

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 1>How long were the years, well, from you know, ten

0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:28.840
<v Speaker 1>ten leven all the way up until college. So to

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:32.279
<v Speaker 1>find years of you know, becoming a going from like, yeah,

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:36.040
<v Speaker 1>that's that's from a pivotal very pivotal. Because you showed

0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.760
<v Speaker 1>me a picture of a big, huge, freaking bobcat you trapped. Yeah,

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 1>and that was a couple of days where I went

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 1>to bootcamp. Yeah. Well I was like, you look skinny

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 1>as a bean. Yeah, I'll show these some mothers are

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 1>on my phone. You should see how skinny I am. Yeah.

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh but yeah, but then I just destroyed and got

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 1>rid of all the I called my fat pictures. I'm

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 1>just like, I'm getting rid of I'm burning this part

0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:58.759
<v Speaker 1>of my life out really. Oh yeah, And and I

0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:00.879
<v Speaker 1>regret it because I rid of a lot of hunting

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 1>grip and grins and hunting pictures and stuff I've killed. Man,

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:08.400
<v Speaker 1>I got some seth keep Yeah, he's got once a

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 1>yeah digital on his phone. Um, but yeah, I just

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>tried to erase it because I was like shamed of it.

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.399
<v Speaker 1>But now I look him back as I'm getting older,

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, a lot of people say you should

0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 1>just be proud that you did that, you made that change,

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.919
<v Speaker 1>you just keep going down that path. So yeah, it's

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 1>tricky because you obviously switched up some habits, created some

0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>new ones that you're really happy about. But to be

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:35.920
<v Speaker 1>so like ashamed of of just yeah, it's I don't know,

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 1>it's a tricky. It's a tricky thing, right, Yeah, definitely.

0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean because I feel bad for that thirteen year

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 1>old Rick Well what yeah, because I got picked on

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:49.319
<v Speaker 1>and stuff for what just just oh yeah, I mean

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 1>yeah I was a fat kid. I got picked on

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:54.160
<v Speaker 1>hey heck yeah, yeah, the judgment that goes along with it. Yeah,

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, like what kind of picked up Well, you

0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 1>know general, like you ain't getting picked for a lot

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 1>of sports everything like in gym class when you're a

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:05.439
<v Speaker 1>kid and everything. You know. Yeah, so that that part

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 1>really makes it's breaking your heart. Really, that's just think

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 1>about how I got kids? Man. People are they like

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.000
<v Speaker 1>they're they're evil little they don't know better, but they're

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 1>just evil little people. Yeah. People are Yeah. No, I

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember like exact things people. I just remember

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:28.720
<v Speaker 1>sometimes being really stressed and upset. There they have moments

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 1>of like incredible passion and moments of just wickedness. Yeah. Yeah,

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that's a really good way to put with kids. And

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 1>then it can happen at the same time, one out

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 1>of the left hand, one out of the right. Yeah.

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 1>So but horrible little things. Yeah, well, can't be raising

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 1>a bunch. So I'm saying just just I'm not. I'm

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:49.759
<v Speaker 1>not and I'm not acting like this is just I mean,

0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I see them do things to each other. Yeah, I'm like,

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:56.600
<v Speaker 1>what who would like know what I know, would do

0:44:56.640 --> 0:45:01.040
<v Speaker 1>that to like someone, even a stranger, little siblings? I don't.

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I think when you're young, you don't have you don't

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 1>understand like the ramifications of what you say and how

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 1>that would like burn and linger in someone's mind or

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>anything like that. So but then again, I don't know

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:13.399
<v Speaker 1>all that led up to me just feeling like I'm

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 1>sick of this and I made my decision. So if

0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 1>no one did do that to me or like I was,

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't frustrated with my physical abilities, would I have

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:25.200
<v Speaker 1>ever made the decision to change. I don't know, And

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad I made that decision. What do you

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 1>think now about you know, there's this kind of national

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>dialogue right where this is yep, where you know, it's

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to tell everybody about what I'm

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 1>talking about. I don't know the obesity pandemic except yeah,

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:56.319
<v Speaker 1>the idea that that um like love your body, yeah,

0:45:56.360 --> 0:46:00.800
<v Speaker 1>which is like a good advice, you know it generally,

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:04.160
<v Speaker 1>But then there's this this there's this idea, like I

0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:08.279
<v Speaker 1>guess within the culture, there's a growing trend to be

0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 1>like that that that um, beauty was always defined a

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.399
<v Speaker 1>certain way, and so it was like this binary thing

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:20.120
<v Speaker 1>like you're like thin and beautiful or you're not your

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:26.000
<v Speaker 1>you're or you're ugly, And there's this this this um

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 1>tendency to want to like to take this down, to

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 1>have this not be the way that it's not like

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:34.759
<v Speaker 1>that such as you know, this huge percent of the

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>population should sort of like feel the shame of not

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:43.319
<v Speaker 1>hitting a certain physical stature that society has deemed acceptable.

0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, there's like healthcare professionals who

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:51.759
<v Speaker 1>are like there are serious, like like there are costs

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 1>to being overweight, very legitimate cost of being overweight, and

0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not like a beauty it's like beauty not beauty

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.239
<v Speaker 1>is sort of like there there's the health component. Yeah,

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:04.440
<v Speaker 1>and I but you know, I'm I'm doing a horrible

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:06.359
<v Speaker 1>job of expressing it. But this is like a thing

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>you hear about totally. No, I think you did a

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.439
<v Speaker 1>pretty good job. Let's explain that and I'll just say

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:13.839
<v Speaker 1>my personal opinion about it. Uh. I think everyone should

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 1>be confident with themselves. I think that's big things. We're

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 1>all different and it's weirder, and you compare like major

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:21.160
<v Speaker 1>athletes and stuff they run like, just be confident yourself,

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 1>but be healthy that and it really pisces me off.

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest. It when because people don't know my

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.600
<v Speaker 1>past when they see me and then they're like, well,

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I can't lose because I can't lose weight because of

0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 1>this or that, and you know, I'm fifty pounds overweight

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's just never gonna happen, and it's it is

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.520
<v Speaker 1>a It irritates me because I'm like, you can it

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.719
<v Speaker 1>is a decision because I woke up one day and

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:44.799
<v Speaker 1>I flipped a switch in my brain and I did

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 1>whatever it took to accomplish that. And I don't think

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I think there's very few people that have a physical

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 1>limitation to holding them back from being super healthy. And

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 1>I am There's not a day I wake up that

0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:02.240
<v Speaker 1>I would go back to that. I love being healthy.

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I love being able to go for big the wrong ron's.

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I love being able to go to the gym and

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>actually perform the way I should for my age class.

0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>And I will say, there's there's health ramifications my knees.

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I think my knees are gonna give out before they

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 1>would have because I was carrying around all that extra weight,

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and especially too I was an active kids. I was

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:21.479
<v Speaker 1>going on backpackers. You know, I'd have a big pack

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>plus extra weight, all that extra weight, and uh, you

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:27.839
<v Speaker 1>can ask Seth he's heard I'll bend, I'll kneel down.

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 1>My knees will crack loud, both of them, like, and

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I could tell some days I gotta like, I'm definitely

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:35.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna have those are that's the part of my body

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I think is going to start failing early with my knees. Well,

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:41.800
<v Speaker 1>let me ask you this as long as round the subject,

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh the people that goofed on you when you were

0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:52.879
<v Speaker 1>a kid. Yeah, Um, do you now think like, thank

0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 1>god those people were so ruthless and awful. No, but

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I also I'm not I did. I'm man, it's kind

0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 1>of hard. Yeah, no, I don't think that. But then

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I also I think because of the subject we've talked about,

0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you should totally ignore I think people

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:15.279
<v Speaker 1>should be like, hey, you know, if you have a

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:18.879
<v Speaker 1>friend that's that's overweight and unhealthy, should be like, hey,

0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:21.520
<v Speaker 1>let's uh, you should think about taking some steps to

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:24.600
<v Speaker 1>just be healthy. Like you shouldn't ignore it. That's my

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:28.360
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm getting at, you know, Um, yeah, I

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:30.880
<v Speaker 1>don't think I'm never like thankful. I got bullied for

0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that part amount you know, life and everything. But I

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.200
<v Speaker 1>definitely I don't know. I'm just I guess I spent

0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:39.680
<v Speaker 1>in a positive in my mind and you can't just

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:43.759
<v Speaker 1>look negative at it. Do you feel, um to lose

0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of weight. Do you feel that you were

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:52.440
<v Speaker 1>more uh moving towards like a definition of health that

0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:55.720
<v Speaker 1>you had, or more moving away from like getting goofed

0:49:55.719 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>out by people moving towards a definitely in health. I

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 1>think yeah, yeah, because like I was in college and everything.

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.240
<v Speaker 1>When I was I was like, my eye was fully

0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 1>well I wouldn't say fully developed, man, but by that

0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:11.880
<v Speaker 1>point getting close. But I was myself, and I was

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:15.239
<v Speaker 1>confident in myself to who I was. But I just

0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be in shape. Yeah, the goof and probably

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:27.240
<v Speaker 1>stop college college. Yeah, the goof and stop. Oh yeah yeah,

0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 1>because your old man it was a marine. Was he like,

0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:32.719
<v Speaker 1>did he like look like a marine? Yeah? Yeah, he

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:36.080
<v Speaker 1>looks like a marine. Yeah he's yeah, he looks like

0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a marine. He still he still looks like a marine.

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Was there a little bit of rebellion in there? He

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:42.480
<v Speaker 1>thinks it's illegal to not get a high and tight haircut.

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I can't shake the old half. Yeah but

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.000
<v Speaker 1>you were a marine too, right, I don't know if

0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 1>that came yeah yeah, yeah to the Marine Corps. Yeah.

0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Um yeah, which my like service was nothing compared to

0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:01.760
<v Speaker 1>my old man's. I don't even talk about my service

0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:06.439
<v Speaker 1>that much. No, you really don't know, No, I don't, um,

0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:08.920
<v Speaker 1>but uh yeah, because what my dad gave up for

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:10.719
<v Speaker 1>the country and everything, I know, like I had a

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:13.279
<v Speaker 1>little a little bit of that, so I don't I

0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:15.440
<v Speaker 1>don't talk about it much. Um. He's the one who

0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:18.280
<v Speaker 1>got you started hunting though, Oh yeah, yeah I started.

0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean I never I mean we joke about I

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:22.719
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't know anything about sports. I played some

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:24.399
<v Speaker 1>sports because I think my parents were like, we want

0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you to be accepted, like try this. And all I

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 1>want to do was play with guns and go hunting

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:30.839
<v Speaker 1>and fishing. But he got me started and all that,

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and I was in the boy Scouts all you know,

0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:35.759
<v Speaker 1>all that to my eagle, um, but yeah, my dad

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:37.160
<v Speaker 1>got me started and all that. He grew up in

0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:40.279
<v Speaker 1>a hunting family. So can I ask a question that

0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:44.560
<v Speaker 1>might be jumping I had too much or maybe not? Yeah, man,

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:47.560
<v Speaker 1>did he did your dad get you into flintlock? Or

0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:53.799
<v Speaker 1>where I'm sitting here thinking like how am I gonna

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:55.680
<v Speaker 1>get out of this and get into because I'm super

0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:57.480
<v Speaker 1>interested in this, but I know where we gotta go.

0:51:58.040 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 1>So as I'm sitting here thinking like howm I gonna

0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:01.400
<v Speaker 1>do it, I was like I don't know if if

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 1>people care about Oh no, they care a lot, dude,

0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:06.920
<v Speaker 1>but I was. I didn't want to know what to do,

0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and I was bought ready to hit panic and then

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 1>dirt comes in. But that was an amazing transition because

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:17.200
<v Speaker 1>UH started out going small game hunt with my dad,

0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:19.239
<v Speaker 1>like watching him shoot squirrels the Twain two, but the

0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:24.080
<v Speaker 1>first deer I ever watched get killed. It was with

0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:26.320
<v Speaker 1>a flintlock, but the one your dad was kind of

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:28.440
<v Speaker 1>shooting down on it kind of yeah, and I was

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:30.919
<v Speaker 1>kind of down at it too. Um we were out.

0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 1>So this you can transition this into I don't know

0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 1>if we're gonna talk about later, but Seth and I

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:43.279
<v Speaker 1>was real solid man. Seth and I both grew up

0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 1>in in areas of Pennsylvania that had heavy uh coal mining,

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and I did. I grew up in School County, the

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:54.040
<v Speaker 1>anthracite coal region, so a lot of hunting was so.

0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Anthracite coal is hard coal, and eastern Pennsylvania from Scranton

0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:01.000
<v Speaker 1>area all the way down to Pottsville, which is where

0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:03.480
<v Speaker 1>I was born and raised, is where you can get

0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:08.760
<v Speaker 1>anthracite coal. It's hard coal, it's shiny, burns more efficient,

0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 1>less sash, and more b two us yep, good clean

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:16.160
<v Speaker 1>coal versus by two minutes. But I grew up in

0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:18.200
<v Speaker 1>that region. Seth grew up where they mined by two

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.240
<v Speaker 1>minutes coal. So he grew up in the ship coal area.

0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:22.520
<v Speaker 1>He did. That's right, And you do you feel that

0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:26.560
<v Speaker 1>like affected you guys outlook and personalities? What that he

0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 1>grew up in the ship like ship coal and good coal. No, No,

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I think it's shapes. I think I think it's shaped

0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:38.319
<v Speaker 1>how we view resource extraction. But I don't think. I

0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:42.160
<v Speaker 1>don't think, maybe think any less of uh. But we

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:46.759
<v Speaker 1>always called coal area, Yeah, comparable all this coal on

0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 1>the on the hills soft coal. Yeah, that's the only

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:52.719
<v Speaker 1>place in the US everything soft coal except for an

0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:54.600
<v Speaker 1>eastern Pennsylvan's only place you can get in the U

0:53:54.680 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 1>s is anthrasies hard coal. That's it. Everything else is

0:53:57.160 --> 0:54:00.080
<v Speaker 1>by two minutes coal to some level. There's different levels

0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 1>by tuminus. What's lignite, that's by tuminus. But I think

0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 1>it's really crappy, but real chromic, real chremy coal. Yeah,

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Like I grew up, my grandmother would have coal on

0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:12.640
<v Speaker 1>her bookshelves from all her family, like a couple of

0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:15.600
<v Speaker 1>her brothers had mines and stuff. And they're like shiny

0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:18.080
<v Speaker 1>black diamonds, like they shine. They're all washed off, but

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:21.480
<v Speaker 1>it's real shiny, nice looking stuff. So so when those

0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 1>guys are goofing now any about your weight, we're like, well,

0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:26.960
<v Speaker 1>it's at least these are come from good coal countries.

0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:30.360
<v Speaker 1>That didn't ocur to me. That was just normal that

0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>was life. But we always hunted out on a lot

0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:36.879
<v Speaker 1>of coal land. Like we always said, down in the strippings, um,

0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:41.120
<v Speaker 1>because really strippings, yeah, stripping pits, strippings, that's what they

0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:45.319
<v Speaker 1>call it because they're stripped. Minding Ye yeah, right worth

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:49.040
<v Speaker 1>sitting right now right below, UM, I would have regarded

0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:51.480
<v Speaker 1>as like you you clarified, it's not I would look

0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:54.080
<v Speaker 1>that must be like that must be the mountaintop removal

0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:55.719
<v Speaker 1>we hear so much about. But you're like, that's that

0:54:55.800 --> 0:55:01.120
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even not technical strip. They they do recontour and

0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:03.960
<v Speaker 1>level stuff during strip. Mind, we're close enough to the

0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:06.200
<v Speaker 1>mind right now, we're sitting here. Earlier in the cabin.

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Then there was a little bit of a shake because

0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:14.239
<v Speaker 1>they they must have detonated a charge up there to

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:20.040
<v Speaker 1>move some ground. You guys are hunting the strippings. Yep,

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:23.600
<v Speaker 1>we're ound the strippings. And I probably was like eleven,

0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:26.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe tan at this point, and I was getting

0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a little tired. We're doing mouches, as Doug Darren would say,

0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:31.800
<v Speaker 1>but small drives, just with with my uncles there was

0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:35.319
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't a fawn drive. Doug wouldn't really agree with that.

0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:43.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh he wouldn't is that he's a little stupid about it. Um,

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:47.680
<v Speaker 1>like a mooch. I've argued with dog about this a

0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:52.520
<v Speaker 1>million times. In a mooch, which is like a deer drive,

0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:54.440
<v Speaker 1>but not in a mooch. It would be that like

0:55:56.080 --> 0:56:01.880
<v Speaker 1>there's like a like a blind sitting still hunting component

0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 1>to it. Okay, it kind of stems from like some

0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:08.239
<v Speaker 1>relative of his probably looked exactly like them. Uh at

0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:10.279
<v Speaker 1>one point in time it said something like, you know,

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I was just creeping along, Yeah, you know, mooching, right,

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:17.600
<v Speaker 1>And it'll be like if you're doing a mooch, it

0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:20.560
<v Speaker 1>might be that everybody goes out in the morning and

0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:22.680
<v Speaker 1>gets in a blind and their dear blind around the

0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:25.120
<v Speaker 1>farm and even the neighbor the neighboring farm, right, Like,

0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:30.040
<v Speaker 1>everybody's out there blind and it's scheduled that like we'll

0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:36.280
<v Speaker 1>sit till about eight mhm. And then Dave and Bob

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:40.960
<v Speaker 1>are going to get out of their blinds and mooch

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 1>along these two different ridges, okay, and just stir stuff

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and just gently gently get things astiring. And then like

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:56.000
<v Speaker 1>let's say Dave arrives at some other blind he hadn't

0:56:56.000 --> 0:57:00.360
<v Speaker 1>been sitting in. He might climb up into that blind, okay,

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:04.960
<v Speaker 1>at which point Doug gets out and mooches down into

0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:10.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bottom real quiet m and in around about

0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:15.160
<v Speaker 1>that time, like surely climbs down out of her blind,

0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:20.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah yeah, and mooches around the dogs blind

0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and then deb and it's this whole thing like that.

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, okay, So technically we're not doing that. It's

0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:28.960
<v Speaker 1>like it's just a little mini pushes, yeah, mini pushes

0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:35.600
<v Speaker 1>a little um mini subtle, like not blowing deer out,

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:39.479
<v Speaker 1>but just nudging them, nudging along. My uncle was going

0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:43.600
<v Speaker 1>through Connifer cover like we did a lot this whole trip,

0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:46.680
<v Speaker 1>and he bumped out two dall when they came running. Well, oh,

0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I gotta back up. I was tired, say does oh man,

0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:53.440
<v Speaker 1>that's you brought up to say dough. Yeah, and it's

0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>a really bad habit. So did you grow up to

0:57:55.360 --> 0:58:00.560
<v Speaker 1>say dough where you live? Um, I've things I don't

0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. Yeah, that's the way My entire family

0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:06.400
<v Speaker 1>and obviously a lot of the guys that grew up

0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:10.080
<v Speaker 1>hunting around how they said it. So it's just it's automatic.

0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:11.760
<v Speaker 1>And I don't even think it's regional because we grew

0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:15.160
<v Speaker 1>up with people that said it, yeah, do not Bucks?

0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:18.480
<v Speaker 1>And does Bucks? And does Yeah. I think it's super common.

0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of people shall do that, and

0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't even catch myself doing it. Like I saw um,

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:27.760
<v Speaker 1>but I was tired. And he climbed up on a

0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:31.040
<v Speaker 1>big overburden pile of coal that was all it was

0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:33.560
<v Speaker 1>left from years ago and it's all grown up around

0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:35.440
<v Speaker 1>at everything. But he went up on it like it'd

0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:38.320
<v Speaker 1>be in a stand to get an elevated shooting position

0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:41.720
<v Speaker 1>at the end of this conifer cover. And my uncle

0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:45.600
<v Speaker 1>book uh two does out and they came running right up,

0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:48.880
<v Speaker 1>and one saw me sitting on a stump. My dad

0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:50.960
<v Speaker 1>sent me on, hit the brakes and just watched me.

0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:54.440
<v Speaker 1>And I remember staring right in her eyes, and I

0:58:54.480 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 1>heard the flintlock go off on and like a foot

0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:03.120
<v Speaker 1>to a big shot of blood shot out of her side,

0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:05.720
<v Speaker 1>and she ran off thirty yards and piled up. My

0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:07.560
<v Speaker 1>dad came down. That was like the first time I

0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:10.080
<v Speaker 1>put my hands on a dead deer, and I was

0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 1>so chomping at the bit to go hunting after that.

0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:14.760
<v Speaker 1>And then she feel like flintlock. I mean, my dad

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:16.640
<v Speaker 1>has killed more deer with his flintlock than his center

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:21.200
<v Speaker 1>fire rifle. Yeah, what year did they start the flintlock season? Here? Uh,

0:59:21.520 --> 0:59:26.040
<v Speaker 1>seventy three? Checked that sheet front of you. I say,

0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:32.720
<v Speaker 1>one second. That page covers the advent of the triple Trophy,

0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:36.080
<v Speaker 1>where you get a special trophy if you killed a

0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:39.480
<v Speaker 1>deer bearon Turkey in year, which they started handing out

0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:41.919
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty six, and then in nineteen seventy two,

0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:45.560
<v Speaker 1>mysteriously they ended the triple Trophy program. I really need

0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:47.200
<v Speaker 1>to rease I don't know the history behind that. I

0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:50.040
<v Speaker 1>just knew was a good idea. For six years at

0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:51.560
<v Speaker 1>my hunting camp, there was a few guys that had

0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:54.600
<v Speaker 1>their hunting jackets and they had Triple Trophy patches on it. Well,

0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:56.040
<v Speaker 1>how do I not remember? This is a damn year.

0:59:56.080 --> 0:59:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I was born two years after Jeremiah Johnson. Yeah, so

0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:01.120
<v Speaker 1>that was so Yeah. I threw that in on that

1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:03.480
<v Speaker 1>little thing because I feel like that probably set the

1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:07.360
<v Speaker 1>stage because that was such a popular movie. Um my

1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:10.720
<v Speaker 1>parents watched Jeremiah Johnson at your about a year and

1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:14.080
<v Speaker 1>three months after it came out, and that led to

1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:23.000
<v Speaker 1>such a weird thought, that's a romantic movie. My mom

1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:25.560
<v Speaker 1>and uh my mom and dad for their honeymoon. They

1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:27.320
<v Speaker 1>went and stayed in one of those ice shanties you

1:00:27.360 --> 1:00:32.320
<v Speaker 1>can live in. Oh, that's spent their honeymoons ice fishing

1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:34.520
<v Speaker 1>and ice shanty. Do you think it was a scene

1:00:34.520 --> 1:00:38.720
<v Speaker 1>where he flips the blanket off? Swan that like got

1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:41.640
<v Speaker 1>your parents? Is that when you're thinking of your charlie?

1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:44.320
<v Speaker 1>What's that scene she lay after they getting married. She

1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:47.200
<v Speaker 1>lays down under the blanket naked and then he clips

1:00:47.240 --> 1:00:54.560
<v Speaker 1>it off and says, lord, um oh they started Muslim flintlocks.

1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:57.479
<v Speaker 1>But it's the only state that has a flint lux. Yeah, yeah,

1:00:57.560 --> 1:01:00.280
<v Speaker 1>so is it? Like? Why is that? Until? What the

1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:05.439
<v Speaker 1>hell flintlock is? Man? We've covered it so many damn times. Yeah, seth,

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<v Speaker 1>do you do it? You're I'm talking too much, But

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<v Speaker 1>first tell what a matchlock is, or I could do that,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, you tell what? Explain the matchlock better? Time

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<v Speaker 1>Dred's beginning of sixteen hundred's the cutting edge technology was

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<v Speaker 1>a matchlock. So it was a pan that came out

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the barrel, held a priming powder and

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<v Speaker 1>then an arm that would be cocked back and then

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<v Speaker 1>when the trigger was pulled back, it would The Seared

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<v Speaker 1>movie would release, and a smoldering rope would go in

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<v Speaker 1>that and ignite the powder. The problem with that is

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<v Speaker 1>as you as the rope kept smoldering back, you kept

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<v Speaker 1>having to push it and make sure time was up

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<v Speaker 1>far enough and time right. So it's like someone starts

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<v Speaker 1>to drive or do your drive. Let's say with a matchlock,

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<v Speaker 1>you might light the wick right when it starts, and

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<v Speaker 1>by when here we come, you'd light the wick. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean yeah, if they were doing deer drives back then yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably doing or it would smolder. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>how like the rate. Maybe it was a super super

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<v Speaker 1>slow so you can almost hunt for No, no, it

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<v Speaker 1>would you would want to. Yeah, you're not like sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there because I think they didn't have any lighters. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a quick igniance. He had to try to

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<v Speaker 1>take something from a candle or a fire to light.

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<v Speaker 1>That starts smoldering that room. Until this very minute, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that that's what a matchlock was. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then then when the hammer held a burning wick

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<v Speaker 1>and then pushed it right into the pan, they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>put the wick out when that happened, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't know I don't know if it did

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<v Speaker 1>or not. I feel like it probably wouldn't. It would

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<v Speaker 1>still be smoldering because there's ignition in the pan. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like it goes in and cuts off all oxygen

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<v Speaker 1>or anything and there's nothing. And then that little pan

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<v Speaker 1>of powder goes ye and then shoots into the side

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<v Speaker 1>of the barrel through a thing called a touch hole

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<v Speaker 1>and then ignite the main charge. And it pushed a

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<v Speaker 1>patch and ball or just a ball because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of more smooth boars. Well I think all matchlocks were

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<v Speaker 1>smooth boars. Yeah, he would throw that ball down the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the barrel. So that is the bee's knees.

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<v Speaker 1>What was what were the poor folks shooting? What was

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<v Speaker 1>a bad gun during match lock time? Yeah? I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not again some sharp little Yesterday's equivalent of the

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<v Speaker 1>dude that comes up with a laser range finder. Yeah, decides,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, you know what I'm gonna do? Man? What

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<v Speaker 1>does he do? Sth he comes up with something better?

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<v Speaker 1>It makes the flintlock. So the flintlock is um it's

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<v Speaker 1>similar in the way and like how the parts move

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<v Speaker 1>in a way. There's a hammer, there's a flash pan

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's a touch hole that goes into the barrel.

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<v Speaker 1>But over the pan there's you I think of like

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<v Speaker 1>a flint and steel. So on the hammer there's a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of flint held in by a little vice, held

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<v Speaker 1>in by a little yeah, a little vice type thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then over the pan there's a frizzen, and the

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<v Speaker 1>frizzen is the steel part. So when so you prime

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<v Speaker 1>the pan, flip the frizzen down over so that keeps

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<v Speaker 1>that powder kind of dry. And it's about it. The

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<v Speaker 1>priming is about as much as like when you see it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know in the movies and someone gets a little

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<v Speaker 1>fingernail a coke or something. It's about like that amount

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<v Speaker 1>of powder, like a pinch of salt, like a pinch

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<v Speaker 1>of salt um. The frizzing covers the powder in the pan.

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<v Speaker 1>When you cock the hammer back and pull the trigger,

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<v Speaker 1>the hammer flies forward hits the steel on the frizzen,

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<v Speaker 1>which flips the frizzen out of the way. The the

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<v Speaker 1>sparks from the flint hitting the steel fall into the pan,

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<v Speaker 1>which causes a little explosion, a little flash in your face,

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<v Speaker 1>which then travels through the touch hole into the breach

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<v Speaker 1>of the barrel, which ignites the powder, sending the patch

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<v Speaker 1>and ball out of the gun. Yep, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was a good one. Yeah, yeah, depend oh you can go.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we ever work? Does this ever work out? Like

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<v Speaker 1>remember we were talking about the pig they'll have LENI

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<v Speaker 1>eat the turkey ship? Yeah? Did you put on Instagram? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I did so people could go find it? Yes, it worked,

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<v Speaker 1>It mostly worked. Did you see evidence of people going

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<v Speaker 1>to see it because we talked about it? Yes, And

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<v Speaker 1>I've received probably fifty messages of people asking me where

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<v Speaker 1>they could see that video. Wasn't it right there? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's in Just like I said on the podcast, it

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<v Speaker 1>will be in the highlights under Texas. But why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you just put it in the feed and eventually right

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<v Speaker 1>well put it put it as opposed. Well then then

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<v Speaker 1>like eventually, you know, someone listened to that podcast a

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<v Speaker 1>year from now, can go can go to my highlights

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like right there right on top. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>that was no one knows about that. That's picky about

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<v Speaker 1>what goes in his feet there, Ye, there in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that people couldn't find it. No, it's it's rick.

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<v Speaker 1>Help help me explain it. It is easier to it's

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<v Speaker 1>easier to find it in the highlights than it is

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<v Speaker 1>in the feet. Well, you listen to me, he has

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<v Speaker 1>an aesthetic to keep up with Mr Technology over here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's me tapping listen. Well, I'm gonna put the world's

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<v Speaker 1>greatest hang by your video. Steve will put in some

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<v Speaker 1>stupid highlight folder. Steve will put it in his seed meat.

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<v Speaker 1>I will put it in my highlight folder, right and

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<v Speaker 1>then meat under p a flint lock right in the meat.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you go in, you cann type in at

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<v Speaker 1>Steven Ronella and you're gonna be served up a Schmorgus

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<v Speaker 1>board of visual imagery. If you go look, you'll find

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<v Speaker 1>one of dirt having a great uh a great what's

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<v Speaker 1>known as a hang fire. And depending on when this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast comes out, um, don't expect it to be the

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<v Speaker 1>first video on your feet. You might have to you

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<v Speaker 1>might to scroll once you know what I said, Shmorges board,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do a bunch of No, you'll be served

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<v Speaker 1>a Smorgas board of images. But it might be that

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<v Speaker 1>particular video might be where they put like the lemon

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<v Speaker 1>uh oh, like as you go through the thing, like

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<v Speaker 1>you got rolls salad, crutains and baco bits. Right. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you get into the right then he's like, you get

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<v Speaker 1>the weird area where you had like cottage cheese and

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<v Speaker 1>I peaches and peaches, and then you're gonna keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be like a big vat soup and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna go down and there's gonna be dirt

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<v Speaker 1>with the hang fire. Okay, that's where you'll find it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where you'll find on at Steven Ronella. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know you didn't come through on that, what like

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<v Speaker 1>I asked, No, it's there. Fifty people couldn't find it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well they fifty people have a hard time listening to

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<v Speaker 1>directions more than more than that. So it'll be there.

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<v Speaker 1>The hang fire. Yea, what the hell are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Hang fires? Yeah? Oh the sound of it. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's Lauren was saying. Sometimes it goes I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>best case scenario. There is a small delay, right, No

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<v Speaker 1>best case scenario. It's just like I mean, it's quick,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's yeah kind of right, slight delay, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not as slow as most people think though. Old flint lock,

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<v Speaker 1>my old flint lock, which I sold on consignment um

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<v Speaker 1>had a big delay, and maybe it was like there's

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of reasons that could be. It could be

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<v Speaker 1>like I was using like goofy powder. I didn't have whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>because in a flint lock, when you prime, the priming

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<v Speaker 1>powder is a finer grain than the actual charge powder.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have been screwing all manner of things up

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<v Speaker 1>with my old flint lock, where I wouldn't have a delay.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be like, right, my new one is because

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<v Speaker 1>something about it Petter solely, Yeah, it's good. It said

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<v Speaker 1>the configuration of the everything that when it goes right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very fast. It could have a lot to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the touch hole. You might have might have had

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<v Speaker 1>a smaller touch hole, were you, Yeah, if you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>using four F powder too, it's like if you're using

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<v Speaker 1>three like we talked about because Steve and I had

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<v Speaker 1>a powder incident while hunting powder out, yeah, where we

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<v Speaker 1>had to use some charge powder in our pants and

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<v Speaker 1>I've I've never actually done it, but I always was

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<v Speaker 1>told if you need to do that, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a little bit slower because that amber has to

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<v Speaker 1>go down and it's smolders for a couple of seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>With that bigger grain of powder, just just like you've

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<v Speaker 1>taken kindling for a fire and trying to light heavy

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<v Speaker 1>too heavy, like i've kindling or tinder tinder. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I think that that might I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that's why I had that delay is because

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<v Speaker 1>I remember not realizing they were there was such things

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<v Speaker 1>as priming powder, and have a hell of a time

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<v Speaker 1>getting that thing to go off, and then got actual

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<v Speaker 1>priming powder and got to work way better. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think I want to establish so in that Sun four

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<v Speaker 1>they start the flintlock season. No other state had a

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<v Speaker 1>flintlock season. Don't why? Um was it? Because you guys

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of like period like buck skinners, like

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<v Speaker 1>re enactor community in Pennsylvania. From what everything we can

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<v Speaker 1>understand what started that. Pennsylvania is a big history with

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<v Speaker 1>the Pennsylvania long rifle. And everyone always says like the

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky rifle, but you know long rifles started in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>UM German gun smith's took the really high precision rifles

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<v Speaker 1>of from German and Swiss gunsmith's and southeastern Pennsylvania has

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<v Speaker 1>tons of German heritage people moving here and settling. So

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<v Speaker 1>those gunsmiths brought that really good craftsmanship and mixed it

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<v Speaker 1>with the English style like Brown Bess long long rifles.

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<v Speaker 1>Um made him super precise and then put rifling in

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<v Speaker 1>him to twist and stabilize that patch and ball. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So with that, like even if you go to build

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<v Speaker 1>a flint lock today and you order a stock a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of and I just did it before he came,

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<v Speaker 1>just to see how often. But a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>stocks are Pennsylvania counties, like the Lancaster style stock, the

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<v Speaker 1>York style stock Burkes Bethlehem, which is a town, not

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<v Speaker 1>a county. But there's so much um history and heritage

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<v Speaker 1>with flint locks in the Pennsylvania long right like during

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<v Speaker 1>that early to mid guns were flowing out of Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was seventeen nineteen. Oh Man Merlin was

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<v Speaker 1>his name, Seth. He's like the gunsmith that's like most

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<v Speaker 1>like mostly noted for putting rifling and making the flint lock.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like okay, and then up into the semi

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<v Speaker 1>part there is another gun smith that that had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of oh Man like crap man what do you

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<v Speaker 1>call it, like craftsmen underneath him. And really they started

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing on a larger scale. I can't say a large

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<v Speaker 1>scale like we think of today, but larger scale Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 1>long rifles UM, and then gunsmiths from that took that

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<v Speaker 1>technology down in Virginia, Kentucky, which is where a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people say Kentucky long rifle, but a lot it

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<v Speaker 1>all stammed out of Pennsylvania. So with that, like I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up with, there's muzzleloader clubs and seth uh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>one up here, right, didn't you say there's one? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure about. My one scout master was really in

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<v Speaker 1>the flintlocks. He would not use the center fire rifle

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<v Speaker 1>unless he absolutely needed to shoot a deer and he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to shoot a deer that year. Um. My dad

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<v Speaker 1>was really into it. He just loved flintlock hunting. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, he killed more deer um with his flintlock

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<v Speaker 1>than he did his center fire rifle. UM. And a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that came down to time to hunt. Because

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<v Speaker 1>of the Sunday hunting thing. He would be off around

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<v Speaker 1>the holidays and the season is after Christmas, UM usually

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<v Speaker 1>for two weeks. We did have more time. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a factor. Um. But with that, I just grew up

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<v Speaker 1>going to a lot of muzzleloader shoots, and there's clubs

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<v Speaker 1>around here. And from what I could tell from that

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<v Speaker 1>history is there was a Pennsylvania Federation black powdered shooters.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm saying that right, and they were pushing

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<v Speaker 1>because the archery hunters now had their season, their piece

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<v Speaker 1>of the pie, and they started pushing then in there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, early seventies for that to be there to

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<v Speaker 1>be a designated muzzleoader season. And it's written still in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot it's a flint law ignition only. It cannot

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<v Speaker 1>be anything more modern than flint law ignition. We do

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<v Speaker 1>have an early season in October or Pennsylvania does um

1:14:30.880 --> 1:14:34.040
<v Speaker 1>uh that you can use modern inlines now, but the

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<v Speaker 1>post Christmas late season is flint law ignition only, and

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<v Speaker 1>that early season is dough only. Can't you can't shoot

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<v Speaker 1>the antler? Uh? The first problem I ran into hunting

1:14:48.600 --> 1:14:52.880
<v Speaker 1>my first Pennsylvania flintlock season was not one I anticipated.

1:14:54.720 --> 1:15:02.000
<v Speaker 1>The these guns have what's called a that trigger. They're

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<v Speaker 1>a Hawking style hawk like is that the model? So

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<v Speaker 1>Hawking styles from what I can read, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>an expert on any of this, so, but like my

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<v Speaker 1>gun is more is a more aft traditional Pennsylvania Kentucky

1:15:15.680 --> 1:15:19.880
<v Speaker 1>long rifle style. It's a little shorter just because it's modern. Um.

1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:24.040
<v Speaker 1>The Hawking style came later when they started doing um

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<v Speaker 1>because a lot of Pensilian long rifles were thirty six

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<v Speaker 1>to forty five caliber, and then when fifty caliber became

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<v Speaker 1>a big thing in modern rifle flintlocks. Um Hawking was

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<v Speaker 1>a manufacturer and of a style too. They cut the

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<v Speaker 1>stock back, shorter barrels, but it usually a lot heavier.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you guys can notice my rifles more slim lying

1:15:49.040 --> 1:15:51.479
<v Speaker 1>than yours. Yours is a lot heavier, which goes to

1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:54.639
<v Speaker 1>period correct of that firearm from what's that call? Where

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<v Speaker 1>to hire someone to read while they play with beads?

1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:01.800
<v Speaker 1>What you stay like? I'm playing palm raider type and

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<v Speaker 1>playing Yeah, so that's what this is. So you're gonna

1:16:06.360 --> 1:16:10.679
<v Speaker 1>hear the cock. It it's on. It's on, half cock

1:16:10.840 --> 1:16:12.800
<v Speaker 1>right now, longer go all the way for it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's half cock, satisfying closing the frizen. No, I am

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<v Speaker 1>what do you say activating? I was just saying setting

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<v Speaker 1>the trigger, so okay at this point, now I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>full cock, Okay, I love those sounds. Now, if I

1:16:38.439 --> 1:16:40.600
<v Speaker 1>were to pull the this thing has two triggers in

1:16:40.600 --> 1:16:42.759
<v Speaker 1>the trigger guard. If I were to pull the front trigger,

1:16:42.760 --> 1:16:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I would have to give it a mighty tuggins to

1:16:46.040 --> 1:16:50.479
<v Speaker 1>go off. It's heavy, a lot of tension in there,

1:16:50.680 --> 1:16:55.519
<v Speaker 1>heavy heavy thing, a lot of slop that noise, that

1:16:55.800 --> 1:17:02.200
<v Speaker 1>slop no when I do us there's a big hook

1:17:02.360 --> 1:17:06.560
<v Speaker 1>shape set trigger which I'm not going to activate the

1:17:06.680 --> 1:17:12.840
<v Speaker 1>rear trigger. That's craftsmanship. Now, if I so much just

1:17:13.080 --> 1:17:17.320
<v Speaker 1>look at that front trigger, she might go off. It's

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<v Speaker 1>probably like mmit, it is scared as sh I mean, still,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gotta be what like a like a two pound pull.

1:17:27.640 --> 1:17:30.439
<v Speaker 1>I think that's one that's under two pounds for sure.

1:17:30.680 --> 1:17:33.160
<v Speaker 1>That's that's around one pound. Now, I had my c

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<v Speaker 1>Z twenty two trigger done and polished, and I have

1:17:37.560 --> 1:17:39.760
<v Speaker 1>that problem now and then where I'm just drawn a

1:17:39.800 --> 1:17:43.360
<v Speaker 1>bead out of squirrel and it would go off prematurely.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a little more scary than when they go off.

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<v Speaker 1>So and here's why. Here's the problem with the stupid thing,

1:17:49.720 --> 1:17:54.320
<v Speaker 1>not not stupid, not in stupid, is that you're fiddling

1:17:54.360 --> 1:17:58.599
<v Speaker 1>around in there. Mm hmm. So here you are, here

1:17:58.640 --> 1:18:01.080
<v Speaker 1>comes here. You see a bunch of deer come charging

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<v Speaker 1>through the brush, and you see antlers, and the rule

1:18:05.160 --> 1:18:07.000
<v Speaker 1>here is it has to have three on one side.

1:18:07.240 --> 1:18:10.320
<v Speaker 1>And you see that. It's a nice clean eight way

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<v Speaker 1>legal okay, And your normal thing is just to shoot.

1:18:16.240 --> 1:18:17.760
<v Speaker 1>But now I gotta be like, Okay, I got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of little things I need to do in short order.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to go like this, I need to go,

1:18:25.800 --> 1:18:28.320
<v Speaker 1>and then I need to like all all these things

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<v Speaker 1>coming at me. So I do all that, and then

1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:36.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of like swooping in on him. He hits

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<v Speaker 1>the brakes and I'm coming in on him, passing from

1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:46.840
<v Speaker 1>left to right, yep, to eventually settle up and draw

1:18:46.880 --> 1:18:49.479
<v Speaker 1>a bead on the white of his brisket because he's

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<v Speaker 1>like handshaking, don't yeah, yeah, He's on top of you,

1:18:52.560 --> 1:18:55.519
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking around. I've activated my set trigger and

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<v Speaker 1>my fingers kind of hunting around for the other trigger

1:18:58.280 --> 1:19:03.320
<v Speaker 1>to make sure I'm in the right spot off to

1:19:03.360 --> 1:19:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the side of his head, like way off to the side.

1:19:07.920 --> 1:19:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I felt bad walking up And that was my opportunity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was the only opportunity he had at

1:19:13.479 --> 1:19:17.880
<v Speaker 1>a buck. And that was your first day if Seth

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<v Speaker 1>was a good host and guide, yeah, tell yeah what

1:19:22.880 --> 1:19:26.160
<v Speaker 1>he would have done. He would have known that that

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<v Speaker 1>was a great opportunity, a great drive. We would have

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<v Speaker 1>gone and two shitty drives. Yeah he got seasoned. Yeah. See,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I was being a good host, seasoned and

1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:42.000
<v Speaker 1>got more accustomed to the equipment. He was putting it

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<v Speaker 1>in the premo spot on the best drive possible to

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<v Speaker 1>just get it down, at which point we became seasoned

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<v Speaker 1>and accustomed to the equipment. He would then have said,

1:19:51.760 --> 1:19:55.880
<v Speaker 1>now I got a drive for you, But instead we

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<v Speaker 1>no sooner like walk out the door and here I

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<v Speaker 1>am shooting straight straight around out of my I felt

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<v Speaker 1>bad too, because I felt like I jinxed you a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit because before we were sighting in the muzzleloaders.

1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I even said, as joking, I was like Steve. There

1:20:14.040 --> 1:20:15.760
<v Speaker 1>was so many times when I was younger and I

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<v Speaker 1>got my my Petter Soul shoot in the dirt in front.

1:20:18.560 --> 1:20:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Because I grew up. The rifle I got when I

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<v Speaker 1>was twelve was a single trigger. It's just a Lineman muzzleloaders,

1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:26.880
<v Speaker 1>so I was used to that, and then somewhere in

1:20:26.920 --> 1:20:29.760
<v Speaker 1>my mid teens, I got my Petter solely with the

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<v Speaker 1>set trigger, and I shot the ground in front of

1:20:33.520 --> 1:20:36.160
<v Speaker 1>so many dough because I would. I would get super

1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:38.360
<v Speaker 1>excited I hit that set trigger and as I'm bringing

1:20:38.360 --> 1:20:41.240
<v Speaker 1>the rifle up to draw bead like you were, I

1:20:41.760 --> 1:20:43.599
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't even feel it, but my finger would get too

1:20:43.600 --> 1:20:45.280
<v Speaker 1>close to that and I'd shoot right in the dirt.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't even occur. Like we talked all about all

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<v Speaker 1>the hang fires and this and dance and all that,

1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:52.760
<v Speaker 1>it didn't occur to me till I was leaning on

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<v Speaker 1>my stone and I'm sitting here looking at this thing,

1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:58.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'm thinking, like, at what point am I gonna

1:20:58.960 --> 1:21:03.000
<v Speaker 1>do all this stuff? Mm hm oh yeah. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>like like when I see the whites of their eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna set my set trigger. And I was like

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here kind of like obsessing about it a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>like what was my sequence? Like how is that going

1:21:14.240 --> 1:21:19.160
<v Speaker 1>to sequence it out? And he thought it all way

1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:23.040
<v Speaker 1>through and here's my buck. I don't I don't touch

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<v Speaker 1>my set trigger now until I'm on the in and

1:21:25.760 --> 1:21:33.000
<v Speaker 1>around the vitals. Seth lifts up, aims, set trigger pull. Yeah, yeah,

1:21:33.120 --> 1:21:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and you you do that after some mistakes. Unless Seth

1:21:35.960 --> 1:21:37.960
<v Speaker 1>never made that mistake, but I definitely did a bunch

1:21:37.960 --> 1:21:44.479
<v Speaker 1>of times. My other um mishap was, uh, we went

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<v Speaker 1>to a spot and Seth had a good little drive

1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:49.280
<v Speaker 1>planned out, and I think it was Yeah, you and

1:21:49.400 --> 1:21:52.559
<v Speaker 1>me climbed into. We got into they're gonna push a

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<v Speaker 1>whole hollow and we're posting that. We're posting. Let's cover

1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:59.559
<v Speaker 1>off on that real quick. Because I grew up, Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>you do a deer drive and on this deer drive

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<v Speaker 1>you have pushers and sitters. Oh you called him pushers

1:22:11.000 --> 1:22:14.519
<v Speaker 1>to push the man pushers and sitters, And I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up saying drivers and posters and I don't know. The

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<v Speaker 1>posters are what you hand Yeah, no post that you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, but that's just what everyone I knew.

1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Because you're driving the guys walking or driving the deer

1:22:29.280 --> 1:22:32.320
<v Speaker 1>towards the guys who are standing a post. So when

1:22:32.320 --> 1:22:34.800
<v Speaker 1>you're dropped off, you stand right there. You stand that

1:22:34.840 --> 1:22:37.679
<v Speaker 1>post until the drive's done. And that's why you're a poster.

1:22:38.640 --> 1:22:47.000
<v Speaker 1>And Seth calls him chasers and watchers. Chasers and watchers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like the side hill behind camp here, we would I

1:22:52.160 --> 1:22:58.479
<v Speaker 1>would say, we're gonna chase that side hill. Sure, push

1:22:58.520 --> 1:23:06.439
<v Speaker 1>it out. Sure, So Rick and I go in and

1:23:06.479 --> 1:23:10.920
<v Speaker 1>we're the sitters and the pushers are gonna push a

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<v Speaker 1>whole hollow. And it's a long They got a long

1:23:15.600 --> 1:23:18.639
<v Speaker 1>way to go. It's a big hollow. So we sneak

1:23:18.680 --> 1:23:21.400
<v Speaker 1>in there and it's what you guys call game lands.

1:23:22.840 --> 1:23:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Its own by the Pennsylvania Game Commission, and they I

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<v Speaker 1>was surprised. See they do some food plots. Oh yeah,

1:23:27.640 --> 1:23:29.479
<v Speaker 1>I remember that one truck to pass us and I

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<v Speaker 1>said it was a food and cover crew. They they

1:23:31.479 --> 1:23:35.040
<v Speaker 1>every every region has food and cover crews and they

1:23:35.080 --> 1:23:37.200
<v Speaker 1>all have state game lands they work on and they

1:23:37.240 --> 1:23:41.400
<v Speaker 1>maintain food plots. Um, they do the stocking of pheasants,

1:23:42.000 --> 1:23:43.519
<v Speaker 1>and they'll do if they have a lot of time,

1:23:43.560 --> 1:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>they'll do a lot of t s I timber stand

1:23:46.200 --> 1:23:48.439
<v Speaker 1>improvement that they do a lot of active management. They

1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:52.639
<v Speaker 1>do a phenomenal job. They do amazing real active management. Yeah. Well,

1:23:52.720 --> 1:23:54.519
<v Speaker 1>I was just we were walking alone all somewhere, like

1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:57.360
<v Speaker 1>staying in the turnip field. The deer been digging all

1:23:57.400 --> 1:24:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the snow out. So we snuck down in there and

1:24:00.680 --> 1:24:03.000
<v Speaker 1>got in our spot and we sat there a little

1:24:03.000 --> 1:24:08.400
<v Speaker 1>while in low and behold, I see that a deer

1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:11.040
<v Speaker 1>is out feeding and has gotten about its bed in

1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:12.920
<v Speaker 1>his feet. And I wanted to call off the drive

1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:17.479
<v Speaker 1>because it's coming my way anyway, a little fawn not spotting.

1:24:17.560 --> 1:24:21.560
<v Speaker 1>So I wasn't gonna violate that UH. I would have

1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:25.000
<v Speaker 1>been in violation of the uh fakes on the second page.

1:24:25.240 --> 1:24:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I would have been in violation of the seventy three

1:24:27.800 --> 1:24:33.280
<v Speaker 1>prohibition on killing spotted. And it's coming my way, and

1:24:33.320 --> 1:24:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm just waiting, licking my lips, you know. But eventually

1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I see Seth coming and the it had been a

1:24:44.120 --> 1:24:48.439
<v Speaker 1>wet day, extremely big wet snow all stuck up in

1:24:48.479 --> 1:24:53.719
<v Speaker 1>the trees and all that wet snow dripping. Everything was wet,

1:24:54.080 --> 1:24:57.479
<v Speaker 1>and this fawn is already enraged. But I can't get

1:24:57.479 --> 1:25:00.040
<v Speaker 1>a clean shot. But let's see Seth and bound on

1:25:00.280 --> 1:25:02.599
<v Speaker 1>my way a little bit and stops like very close.

1:25:03.720 --> 1:25:07.639
<v Speaker 1>And this time I'm like, you know, I'm gonna shoot

1:25:07.640 --> 1:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the top it's heart off the way. I'm aimed up

1:25:10.800 --> 1:25:14.320
<v Speaker 1>on it because any adrenaline over shooting the fawn has abated.

1:25:16.320 --> 1:25:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Because I've been standing there for twenty minutes. I think

1:25:18.240 --> 1:25:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna get a shot at it. And I

1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>draw a good south beat on it in click, nothing

1:25:27.280 --> 1:25:33.240
<v Speaker 1>but spark, just spark, no flash in the pan. And

1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>I had allowed my when I opened the frizzen up

1:25:39.720 --> 1:25:45.040
<v Speaker 1>it was like putting in there. I had allowed my

1:25:45.160 --> 1:25:50.000
<v Speaker 1>thing just to get soaked. She isn't conducive to black powder. No,

1:25:50.120 --> 1:25:53.240
<v Speaker 1>And I observed it, Chris, I observed it, Chris Ridge Pounder,

1:25:53.320 --> 1:25:57.799
<v Speaker 1>Chris that one could at this in this moment say, uh,

1:25:58.000 --> 1:26:01.080
<v Speaker 1>it just goes to show the struggles they put up

1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:04.200
<v Speaker 1>with in times of your But I was like, it's

1:26:04.240 --> 1:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>more like it just goes to show the thing the

1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:12.200
<v Speaker 1>mistakes they probably didn't make. Yeah, in times of your yep,

1:26:12.840 --> 1:26:15.760
<v Speaker 1>like they would have been. Man, wet day like this,

1:26:16.720 --> 1:26:21.439
<v Speaker 1>everything dripping all the time, sitting here, probably be a

1:26:21.439 --> 1:26:23.640
<v Speaker 1>good time to scrape that junk out of there and

1:26:23.640 --> 1:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>put some dry powder in and do whatever it takes

1:26:26.880 --> 1:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>to It just didn't occur to me. And I had

1:26:29.800 --> 1:26:33.599
<v Speaker 1>done a bunch of times, man so checked it. Then

1:26:33.640 --> 1:26:35.599
<v Speaker 1>I just like got bored of checking it or whatever.

1:26:36.880 --> 1:26:42.719
<v Speaker 1>It's funny like that dear like if he could tell stories, uh,

1:26:42.720 --> 1:26:44.640
<v Speaker 1>he'd be like And I looked up near he was

1:26:44.720 --> 1:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>burned down at me and he hit the trigger and

1:26:47.360 --> 1:26:52.639
<v Speaker 1>just and here I am tell the story. I forgot

1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:56.760
<v Speaker 1>to keep his powder drack. That fun to be like

1:26:57.040 --> 1:27:02.320
<v Speaker 1>moral of that story, keep your powder. How hot of

1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:05.720
<v Speaker 1>a commodity was powder? So that like would they're back

1:27:05.720 --> 1:27:10.160
<v Speaker 1>in the times of yore? Would they often discard it? Oh? Sure?

1:27:10.439 --> 1:27:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Or was it like one of those things like well, no,

1:27:12.600 --> 1:27:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I know people they would dry it back out again,

1:27:15.600 --> 1:27:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and they would make it from scratch and wet and

1:27:17.680 --> 1:27:20.400
<v Speaker 1>wet it with their own piss. But to dry it

1:27:20.439 --> 1:27:24.280
<v Speaker 1>down I don't know, Like I probably just depends so

1:27:24.400 --> 1:27:27.360
<v Speaker 1>much like if you if you're on a long hunt

1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:30.439
<v Speaker 1>and commodities were scarce, I could picture that maybe you'd

1:27:30.439 --> 1:27:32.639
<v Speaker 1>foul up it and you'd put it in a little

1:27:32.720 --> 1:27:35.679
<v Speaker 1>place no one that you're gonna try to rejuvenate it later,

1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:37.439
<v Speaker 1>and you can try it out, put it back to

1:27:37.560 --> 1:27:40.679
<v Speaker 1>use again. Don't dry it out with the lighter. Somebody

1:27:40.680 --> 1:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>had that bright idea, Hey, why don't you just put

1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:49.360
<v Speaker 1>a torch to it? Oh yeah, with a lighter in there.

1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:53.439
<v Speaker 1>Stevie said about like the mistakes they didn't make. Uh,

1:27:53.600 --> 1:27:56.519
<v Speaker 1>that's one thing. Add you know, when you see old

1:27:57.000 --> 1:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>paintings of mountain men, and any kind of frontiers. And

1:27:59.240 --> 1:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>he's always creating his rifle. You don't have it slung,

1:28:02.360 --> 1:28:04.639
<v Speaker 1>but there's slings on him, you know what. I know, man,

1:28:04.840 --> 1:28:06.360
<v Speaker 1>And I thought a lot about that, and I never

1:28:06.400 --> 1:28:09.400
<v Speaker 1>put much mind to it. But cradling it in the

1:28:09.520 --> 1:28:14.160
<v Speaker 1>crook your arm. Yeah, that's why I hardly ever because

1:28:14.240 --> 1:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>my dad never let me. He'd never even let me

1:28:16.280 --> 1:28:18.000
<v Speaker 1>have a sling on my rifle until I was older,

1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:20.439
<v Speaker 1>because he's like that lock, you protect that thing. He

1:28:20.479 --> 1:28:23.559
<v Speaker 1>would keep it tucked, not in your armpit because I'm moisture,

1:28:23.560 --> 1:28:26.559
<v Speaker 1>but just up under like keep keep that arm like

1:28:26.600 --> 1:28:29.680
<v Speaker 1>a wing over that thing. And then when you're holding it,

1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:33.599
<v Speaker 1>when you're holding it vertically, everything's running up and down it. Yeah,

1:28:33.840 --> 1:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>water will run down the barrel. Like I said, we

1:28:35.840 --> 1:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>used to take on really rainy days which didn't have it,

1:28:38.360 --> 1:28:40.719
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't do that one day we probably should

1:28:40.720 --> 1:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>have done that, but take vaseline and we put vasoline

1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:45.439
<v Speaker 1>in front of the lock, in front of the frizzen,

1:28:45.880 --> 1:28:48.479
<v Speaker 1>so if any bead of water was running down the barrel,

1:28:48.680 --> 1:28:50.840
<v Speaker 1>it hit that vasoline and shoot off to the side

1:28:50.840 --> 1:28:54.599
<v Speaker 1>instead of going down continuing into where on the barrel

1:28:54.600 --> 1:28:57.599
<v Speaker 1>where your touch hole is. But like that's one thing.

1:28:57.640 --> 1:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>How maybe your powder got wet walking into that stand. Well,

1:29:00.720 --> 1:29:02.559
<v Speaker 1>I had a slung all the time and it was wetter,

1:29:02.600 --> 1:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>and hell yeah. The funny thing about that day, it

1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>was a real wet day. Oh yeah. And at the

1:29:09.280 --> 1:29:12.600
<v Speaker 1>end of that day I had already had a misfire.

1:29:14.960 --> 1:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I reprimed, I I cleaned, took a needle and cleaned

1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:22.360
<v Speaker 1>out the touch hole, reprimed and had a vicious hang fire,

1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:29.439
<v Speaker 1>which people will find in the main feed at Stephen

1:29:29.520 --> 1:29:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Ronella on Instagram. They will find that video dirts dirts

1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:38.280
<v Speaker 1>hanging fire. Uh. And then the other guns didn't go

1:29:38.280 --> 1:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>off either. No, And it took quite a do one

1:29:40.800 --> 1:29:42.360
<v Speaker 1>to get up. Man, it was a wet old day

1:29:42.960 --> 1:29:45.760
<v Speaker 1>because in the next day everybody's gonna work. Yeah, damn

1:29:45.840 --> 1:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Dale hunt, you gotta stop. And you started putting the powder,

1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:50.760
<v Speaker 1>the primer powder in when you sit down. You went

1:29:50.840 --> 1:29:53.519
<v Speaker 1>to hike with the primer powder, started knocking it out

1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:55.280
<v Speaker 1>of there and then filling it up with sap. But

1:29:55.320 --> 1:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>it was just like ridiculously wet. I mean, it was

1:29:58.920 --> 1:30:01.479
<v Speaker 1>the kind of wet that would been on comfortable even

1:30:01.520 --> 1:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>regular hunting, because you just get all that wet water

1:30:03.960 --> 1:30:07.479
<v Speaker 1>and snow down your facing that all time, I felt

1:30:07.479 --> 1:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>extremely humid compared to Montana, which seth and I grew

1:30:11.840 --> 1:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>up here and now coming back, I can't believe how

1:30:14.120 --> 1:30:18.800
<v Speaker 1>humid it feels. But Monday was particularly bad. I was

1:30:18.840 --> 1:30:25.800
<v Speaker 1>thinking too that I don't really know that um as

1:30:25.840 --> 1:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>a neophyte flint lock hunter such as myself, like I

1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>would probably be more effective just with my boat. That's

1:30:39.439 --> 1:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>not as fun though, No, but no, it's fun to

1:30:42.040 --> 1:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>go through experience what I'm saying, Like if you're just

1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:45.559
<v Speaker 1>like a dabbler who's not even gonna spend like a

1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:49.120
<v Speaker 1>week practicing, but just like shoot a few times and

1:30:49.200 --> 1:30:51.320
<v Speaker 1>be like I'm ready to go, Like you don't if

1:30:51.320 --> 1:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>you're like if you shoot, if you shoot ar tree

1:30:53.160 --> 1:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot, you don't see better just bringing a damn boat,

1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna go off. That's one thing. Your effective range

1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>might be a little men that a little less, but

1:31:02.080 --> 1:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>you like at least you know what you're doing. Yeah,

1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>but your dad was pointing that out. Flintlock season, no

1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:13.799
<v Speaker 1>people out, No one's out. Didn't see any other hunters.

1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Even when we went and hunted, we saw one dude.

1:31:17.600 --> 1:31:21.599
<v Speaker 1>I guess I didn't see him, but a suspicious figure. Yeah,

1:31:21.640 --> 1:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that. Did you see him? No? I

1:31:23.479 --> 1:31:27.519
<v Speaker 1>never saw Yeah, and he just he was in his

1:31:27.600 --> 1:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>truck and as we went down the trail, I think

1:31:31.200 --> 1:31:33.479
<v Speaker 1>he got out and it was kinding to the left

1:31:33.520 --> 1:31:39.759
<v Speaker 1>of us. We didn't see him with anything because been trappling.

1:31:39.800 --> 1:31:43.800
<v Speaker 1>But Pennsylvania has a ton of hunters, right what's the

1:31:43.760 --> 1:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the I don't know if that's true right now, but

1:31:48.880 --> 1:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>they've kind of always had the highest hunter like hunter

1:31:54.080 --> 1:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>per capita. They had the highest number of hunters, like

1:31:56.800 --> 1:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty point something hunters per square mile. Two thousand thirteen,

1:32:01.000 --> 1:32:03.720
<v Speaker 1>they had twenty and a half hunters per square mile.

1:32:03.960 --> 1:32:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Highest hunter density in the US five and nineteen. Five

1:32:09.360 --> 1:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty eight was just rounded up, uh, five

1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty nine thousand adult resident hunters. And that

1:32:20.360 --> 1:32:22.120
<v Speaker 1>figure wouldn't even have caught the three of us because

1:32:22.120 --> 1:32:29.639
<v Speaker 1>we're non residents. Yeah. Yeah, we are more down from

1:32:29.640 --> 1:32:32.439
<v Speaker 1>a million. I think in the early eighties it was

1:32:32.479 --> 1:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>like a million. That's crazy. A lot of hunters, um.

1:32:37.880 --> 1:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I do like the flint lock hunting though, man, Yeah,

1:32:41.000 --> 1:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>what was your honest like opinion? I know we had

1:32:43.720 --> 1:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things go wrong. Okay, I go places

1:32:46.200 --> 1:32:50.559
<v Speaker 1>and one or two things happens. Either go and be like, dude,

1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I want to do that again, or I go like

1:32:53.479 --> 1:32:59.760
<v Speaker 1>that's cool. Um they had that real like like to

1:32:59.760 --> 1:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>do that again feeling. Let me ask you this, if so,

1:33:04.080 --> 1:33:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Montana doesn't have any kind of dedicated muzzleloader season or

1:33:06.760 --> 1:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>anything like that, but we have weapons restricted areas. Would

1:33:10.000 --> 1:33:13.400
<v Speaker 1>you if you were going to go on a dough

1:33:13.479 --> 1:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>hunt or something in that weapon restricted would you take

1:33:16.040 --> 1:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>that flinlocker? Would you be like, I'm just gonna take

1:33:18.080 --> 1:33:23.080
<v Speaker 1>my bow. I'm never touching that thing again. Well, in

1:33:23.160 --> 1:33:27.519
<v Speaker 1>keeping with my general philosophy, I would bring my regular

1:33:27.640 --> 1:33:34.320
<v Speaker 1>muzzle loadera enough my general philosophy of generally speaking, I'm

1:33:34.360 --> 1:33:38.800
<v Speaker 1>like I'm gonna use whatever like things like whatever the

1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:42.759
<v Speaker 1>rules are, like the thing that's like generally most effective

1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>for the rules. So like when it's archery season, I

1:33:45.200 --> 1:33:49.639
<v Speaker 1>use like a compound bowl with pins and a mechanical release,

1:33:49.840 --> 1:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>right like I don't I'm not out there with a recurve. Uh.

1:33:53.360 --> 1:33:56.080
<v Speaker 1>When I when it's general firearms season, I use a

1:33:56.520 --> 1:34:01.879
<v Speaker 1>like a center fire rifle with a good vortex scope

1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>on it. I carry a laser range finder, right like

1:34:05.800 --> 1:34:10.799
<v Speaker 1>I generally am um, generally am like goos and things

1:34:10.960 --> 1:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>in my favor. Yeah, understandable. I used to set double

1:34:14.960 --> 1:34:17.559
<v Speaker 1>long springs for beavers and I discovered the MB seven,

1:34:19.439 --> 1:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>so uh yeah, So I feel like, but what I

1:34:25.400 --> 1:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>did when I was having a weird fan of a

1:34:27.080 --> 1:34:30.360
<v Speaker 1>weird mind movie about I don't know why was it

1:34:30.439 --> 1:34:33.080
<v Speaker 1>if I went hound, if I went chasing lions with

1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>a body mine, I was like, I should bring this

1:34:36.000 --> 1:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>thing out when you shoot the lion out of the tree.

1:34:42.040 --> 1:34:43.439
<v Speaker 1>But then I was like the kind of person brings

1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:45.400
<v Speaker 1>a flint lock out shoot a lion up tree? Because

1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:47.840
<v Speaker 1>houndsmen don't like the fetishize the shooting of the line.

1:34:48.560 --> 1:34:50.560
<v Speaker 1>They don't like to make a thing out of it.

1:34:50.560 --> 1:34:51.920
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of get it down like a lot of

1:34:51.920 --> 1:34:54.040
<v Speaker 1>it makes them uncomfortable to even use a bow because

1:34:54.040 --> 1:34:56.200
<v Speaker 1>they're like, the point isn't shooting the thing out of

1:34:56.200 --> 1:34:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the tree. That's a formality if we're gonna kill one,

1:34:58.840 --> 1:35:01.519
<v Speaker 1>Like the point is catching it. So like acting like

1:35:01.560 --> 1:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>there's something going on here that's not going on, like

1:35:04.000 --> 1:35:06.599
<v Speaker 1>it's in a tree, Like the hunt's over, we caught it.

1:35:07.600 --> 1:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>If you want it, then we're gonna shoot it. But

1:35:10.000 --> 1:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna act like like that's not the thing.

1:35:13.120 --> 1:35:16.320
<v Speaker 1>The thing is that we caught it. So if you said, like,

1:35:16.439 --> 1:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>remember my flintlock, you'd probably they're probably a little bit like,

1:35:20.479 --> 1:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>let's just bring a gun, go for hunting, go over

1:35:23.200 --> 1:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>hunting with the flint rock. I'll do something with it.

1:35:25.640 --> 1:35:27.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what. Go for hunt. We should just

1:35:28.160 --> 1:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>even if we don't ever helpt with it again in Montana,

1:35:30.080 --> 1:35:32.880
<v Speaker 1>can just start shooting. No, I will use it. I

1:35:33.000 --> 1:35:36.439
<v Speaker 1>like it. I'm going to start shooting it. I'm gonna

1:35:36.479 --> 1:35:43.559
<v Speaker 1>start Flintlock Shooters Association. Would you would your your hunter

1:35:43.800 --> 1:35:48.559
<v Speaker 1>dick Son shoot a flintlock? Oh, yeah, because I have

1:35:48.640 --> 1:35:52.360
<v Speaker 1>a flint lock. I have a percussion cap, black powder pistol.

1:35:52.720 --> 1:35:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh he's dying, will shoot that thing. So yeah, I'm

1:35:55.320 --> 1:35:58.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna have start shooting flint lock for sure. Man. Yeah,

1:35:59.080 --> 1:36:00.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have them trained up on the foot lock.

1:36:01.240 --> 1:36:04.479
<v Speaker 1>It's easily the coolest gun to take pictures of the film,

1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:07.240
<v Speaker 1>so much as going on and big sparks and like

1:36:08.160 --> 1:36:10.519
<v Speaker 1>it unfolds over a long enough period that it's not

1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:12.840
<v Speaker 1>like invisible to the camera, like you can see all

1:36:12.880 --> 1:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the little steps. It's great. It just feels good carrying it.

1:36:16.240 --> 1:36:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's fun going. And I was. I was

1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>talking to Dirt and he was saying that, like it's

1:36:27.200 --> 1:36:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it's a cool style upon him, like the deer drives

1:36:29.439 --> 1:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>because you're like like at one point we're running our

1:36:32.960 --> 1:36:35.600
<v Speaker 1>assets off, trying to trying to cut deer off, and

1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like very active and oh you're not just sitting

1:36:41.840 --> 1:36:45.880
<v Speaker 1>around waiting. You're like very proactive. Yeah, a lot of strategy,

1:36:45.920 --> 1:36:47.720
<v Speaker 1>busting your ass to try to kill my first dear

1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:51.599
<v Speaker 1>to deer drive, did you no, No, No, I feel

1:36:51.600 --> 1:36:53.840
<v Speaker 1>like I was part of the hunt, actually part of

1:36:53.840 --> 1:37:00.760
<v Speaker 1>it this time push pusher, chaser, chaser. It's a camaraderie

1:37:01.000 --> 1:37:02.800
<v Speaker 1>that goes with deer drives too. Yeah, and you can

1:37:02.800 --> 1:37:05.519
<v Speaker 1>bullshit and stuff. Yeah, afterwards you all meet up and

1:37:05.560 --> 1:37:08.800
<v Speaker 1>tell stories about what happened, what you saw. So there

1:37:08.840 --> 1:37:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I was, and you're looking at a lot of tracks,

1:37:11.960 --> 1:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>all the animals squirting everywhere. Yeah, we saw a lot

1:37:15.120 --> 1:37:17.879
<v Speaker 1>of tracks from a lot of different animals. Bob cat, Fisher,

1:37:19.200 --> 1:37:25.240
<v Speaker 1>else turkey, elk, gray fox, gray squirrel, gray squirrel, weasel.

1:37:25.640 --> 1:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Did we figure out what that weasel was mr he

1:37:30.120 --> 1:37:32.280
<v Speaker 1>has had he didn't turn white. But they these guys

1:37:32.320 --> 1:37:36.360
<v Speaker 1>are saying some weasels you don't turn white, yep, which

1:37:36.360 --> 1:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I know I didn't. I've never seen the weasel in January.

1:37:38.479 --> 1:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't white. I don't think I've caught him in January.

1:37:42.080 --> 1:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>But December brown brown. Yeah, there you go. Alright, any

1:37:47.400 --> 1:37:51.400
<v Speaker 1>final thoughts, Rick, I was just thinking of a Sunday

1:37:51.479 --> 1:37:53.840
<v Speaker 1>hunting flintlock season. We didn't kind of touch on like

1:37:53.880 --> 1:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>how those we talked about Sunday hunting and how we

1:37:56.720 --> 1:37:59.479
<v Speaker 1>couldn't hunt on Sunday, which was our first day here.

1:38:00.320 --> 1:38:06.320
<v Speaker 1>But I think what drove Pennsylvania's flintlock popularity for that

1:38:06.400 --> 1:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>season was no Sunday hunting. Because if you Seth and

1:38:09.680 --> 1:38:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I added it up um at least years ago before

1:38:14.160 --> 1:38:17.280
<v Speaker 1>we moved away. If you only took one vacation day

1:38:17.320 --> 1:38:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and you took off the old original opener which was

1:38:20.680 --> 1:38:24.200
<v Speaker 1>on Monday for our firearm season, and you bow hunted

1:38:25.520 --> 1:38:30.280
<v Speaker 1>with no hunting on Sunday, you had five Saturdays and

1:38:30.320 --> 1:38:32.800
<v Speaker 1>bow season. That sounds right, Seth, like five Saturdays and

1:38:32.840 --> 1:38:37.200
<v Speaker 1>bow season, the two Saturdays and rifle and the opening Monday.

1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:41.680
<v Speaker 1>You took off or maybe six it was six, I

1:38:41.680 --> 1:38:45.000
<v Speaker 1>think yeah, because it was nine days, and schools around

1:38:45.000 --> 1:38:49.920
<v Speaker 1>here typically have Monday, some summer Monday and Tuesday you

1:38:49.960 --> 1:38:53.679
<v Speaker 1>get off school for the first two days of the

1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>rifle season. But if you only did that, you got

1:38:56.120 --> 1:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>nine days of deer hunting and then you're done if

1:38:58.960 --> 1:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>you didn't buy a flintlock and partake in the flintlock season,

1:39:01.960 --> 1:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>which most I think it worked out. Just a lot

1:39:04.479 --> 1:39:08.240
<v Speaker 1>of hunters were off after Christmas, between Christmas and New

1:39:08.320 --> 1:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Year's already, because yeah, so it was just very conducive

1:39:14.000 --> 1:39:16.240
<v Speaker 1>to getting more opportunity out in the field that you

1:39:17.080 --> 1:39:18.760
<v Speaker 1>picked up a flint lock. And I think that's what

1:39:18.880 --> 1:39:21.320
<v Speaker 1>really because you're already getting screwed anyway. Yeah, you're getting

1:39:21.320 --> 1:39:23.080
<v Speaker 1>screwed on hung days. So this was another way you

1:39:23.120 --> 1:39:24.720
<v Speaker 1>could try to fill that tag and get out there.

1:39:24.720 --> 1:39:28.040
<v Speaker 1>And it was fun. Like we just talked about the camaraderie. Yeah,

1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I just you know, I always thought it was a

1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:32.559
<v Speaker 1>blast going out there with a big crew and sending

1:39:32.600 --> 1:39:34.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of shots and missing. I did a lot

1:39:34.840 --> 1:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>of missing when I was younger, that's for sure. But

1:39:38.040 --> 1:39:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I think it's neat that are you know,

1:39:40.960 --> 1:39:44.120
<v Speaker 1>one aspect of how opportunity was taken away, maybe drove

1:39:44.280 --> 1:39:50.680
<v Speaker 1>enthusiasm for another opportunity that Yeah, South got anything you

1:39:50.720 --> 1:39:54.519
<v Speaker 1>want to add, Concluders, um man, I'm just excited to

1:39:54.560 --> 1:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>have everyone here at the family camp Cuboos Hallo camp.

1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:00.400
<v Speaker 1>A lot of good memories in this place, and it's

1:40:01.240 --> 1:40:03.320
<v Speaker 1>cool to be able to add you guys to the

1:40:03.360 --> 1:40:06.200
<v Speaker 1>memory bank, you know, hunting out of this place. We

1:40:06.280 --> 1:40:10.160
<v Speaker 1>never took that picture, no, man, we could probably do

1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:14.439
<v Speaker 1>one inside here. There you go, all right, everybody, thank

1:40:14.479 --> 1:40:18.920
<v Speaker 1>you uh for joining and Rick, thanks thanks for sharing. Yeah,

1:40:19.000 --> 1:40:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I know I felt like I did all out of

1:40:20.600 --> 1:40:23.240
<v Speaker 1>talking this. Yeah, I feel kind of bad for listening.

1:40:23.439 --> 1:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>So man, we covered some ground. Yeah, but thanks to

1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:29.040
<v Speaker 1>you Steve for let me come along on this trip.

1:40:29.120 --> 1:40:31.000
<v Speaker 1>It was pretty exciting to being back at this camp

1:40:31.000 --> 1:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>and getting a shoot flint locks again. We'll do it again.

1:40:33.960 --> 1:40:35.680
<v Speaker 1>We'll come out here and catch a fisher. Well, I

1:40:35.760 --> 1:40:41.920
<v Speaker 1>like it trapping in there too, squeeze it in Okay, alright, body,

1:40:41.960 --> 1:41:02.240
<v Speaker 1>thanks a lot. St