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Speaker 1: you stand with on X. I'm having a lot of

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Speaker 1: problems with my fake tooth. Well I have to fake

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Speaker 1: I don't. I have a few fake teeth. One of

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Speaker 1: my fake teeth. We're gonna fill the listeners at home

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Speaker 1: into what we're talking about, Okay, then we'll get down

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Speaker 1: to a bunch of this stuff. Okay. Um, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I told people along time we're hunting in Damn.

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Speaker 1: When was that last fall? Hunting and wheming? And I

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Speaker 1: got real painful. Ran into a guy that I would

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Speaker 1: have thought, I don't mean to discredit this dude, like

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Speaker 1: I just caught him on a whatever day, like, but

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Speaker 1: I just didn't see dentist. When I looked at him,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't like, there's a dentist. I expected dynist to

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Speaker 1: be wearing a golf shirt or something, right, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: lo and behold, the guy was a dentist. And he

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Speaker 1: goes in, uh, he goes and gets me some some

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Speaker 1: kind of opioid from his dentist shop. And I started

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Speaker 1: And I had broken the what do you call it,

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Speaker 1: part goes way up in your head, your root. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it had become all infected. So they pulled it out

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Speaker 1: and they packed it full of I know I covered

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Speaker 1: this on the show. They packed it full of cadaver bone.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, remember here. So there I am walking around

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Speaker 1: all days spitting up chunks of someone else's bone. M

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Speaker 1: not show people. And then when they put that cadaver

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Speaker 1: bone in there, I asked him, I said, what can

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Speaker 1: I have? And they can't. They can't tell anything about

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Speaker 1: him legally, they can't just that or they don't know

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Speaker 1: or whatever, but I would like to. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: have been a horrible guy. I don't know. How do

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Speaker 1: you know? It's just one person probably swallowed some of

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Speaker 1: that and then what They filled the cavity full of bones,

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Speaker 1: So you're I might be screwing this up. They fill

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Speaker 1: all that gunk out of there. Then they fill some

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Speaker 1: getting this wrong with like like like your body recognizes

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Speaker 1: bone fills in the gaps. Yeah, it's like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: get it. There's something. But the little granules come up.

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Speaker 1: It looks like three g gunpowder coming out of there.

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Speaker 1: You are spitting it up. You know. I'd spit it

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Speaker 1: question why I have the molder anyway? Yeah? Why you

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Speaker 1: horse trailer handy man Jack, how'd they happen? Dirt? That

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Speaker 1: This handyman Jack's a good story for the listeners, so

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Speaker 1: I want to hear it, but it's want to remind

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Speaker 1: this is not what this show is about. The show

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Speaker 1: is about firearms. I'm in the middle of telling about

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Speaker 1: all my problems in my tooth, which is people are

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Speaker 1: dying to know about this is like really like people

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Speaker 1: to hear the handyman Jack. I'm joking about them. I'm joking,

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Speaker 1: People know what a handyman Jack is. Dead man's life

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Speaker 1: and it was jammed up. Nowadays, the young waper snappers

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Speaker 1: hey do can the monkey Wrench gang? He was he

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Speaker 1: had a lot of good things. Oh yeah, they're great,

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Speaker 1: but if they get gunked up. Well, it got gunked up.

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Speaker 1: an uh we're little kids, man. We took aluminum arrows

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Speaker 1: me like you get this, there's this board full of holes.

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Speaker 1: But a light bright peg fit perfect in that illuminum arrow,

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Speaker 1: where you'd fill your mouth full of those ball bearings,

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Speaker 1: like this story really starts to make its own gravy,

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Speaker 1: by his own son. He was watching TV and his

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Speaker 1: So uh a decade, it goes by, a decade plus

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Speaker 1: So we get done with our hunting trip and I

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Speaker 1: the dentist and he's like, your root canal is abscess

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Speaker 1: at my fish shack. If you throw an old rat

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Speaker 1: looked like, a rusted, pitted, how long file about an

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Speaker 1: do in the past. Okay. Uh So, I am the

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Speaker 1: content community manager for f h F Gear stands for

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Speaker 1: Fish Hunt Fight Gear. We manufacture the Viinal harness you

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Speaker 1: wear on the show and a bunch of other US

429
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Speaker 1: made hunting and fishing gear. So in some tactical gear.

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Speaker 1: And then, uh, you studied forestry, you like you answer?

431
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Speaker 1: Did you guys meet through the forestry world? Yeah? We

432
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Speaker 1: met at penn State mon Alto, which is a branch

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Speaker 1: campus of the main the main campus UM which is

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Speaker 1: in mon Alto, Pennsylvania and used to be the Pennsylvania

435
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Speaker 1: State forest Academy. Gifford penn Show started it because we

436
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: grew up in Milford, Pennsylvania. He started it, uh, and

437
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 1: then penn State bought it turned it into a branch campus.

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Speaker 1: But all the original buildings on the campus were built

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00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 1: by the original forestry students. Like they would show up

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00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: up by train, they would get issued acts, a bunch

441
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: of tools, they go to class, they come back in

442
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: like Conklin Hall on the campus and everything. They built

443
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: all that by hand, all the forestry students. So the

444
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: campus still has a very big associate degree program. That's

445
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: sort of Seth and I started in the associate degree

446
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: UM got our associates in forest technology, and then I

447
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: went to Penn State. We both went to penn State

448
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: main campus. I finished with a bachelor's and forced management.

449
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: Seth switch to agriculture. So, well, what was the draw

450
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: to forestry. I swant to be in the woods, and

451
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: I thought going into it, I just wanted to be

452
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: in the woods. I thought it would make me a

453
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: better outdoorsman learning UH, and that was always ultimate goal,

454
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: to be like a well rounded outdoorsman woodsman like a naturalist.

455
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah kind of you can say like that, but I'll

456
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: just get better at hunting and fishing, you know. And

457
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: I thought that would be a good thing. I also

458
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: thought it would be easy, like could be something I

459
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: can do in college, because I did not. I wasn't

460
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: good at math. I didn't wanna you know, do any

461
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: like crazy crazy. Uh. I want to say like they

462
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: want to work hard in college, because I definitely ended

463
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: up working very hard. But you were mistaken with the

464
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: easy part. Yeah, that's why I was just going around it.

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00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: We get slap in the slap in the face. It

466
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: was extremely hard and have way more math than ever,

467
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: statistics everything it was. Yeah, and and at that point,

468
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: mon Alto which it still does, has a very hard program. Well,

469
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Speaker 1: you guys are telling me about the tests where they

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Speaker 1: take fifty limb buds, leafless branches, sections of twigs, sections

471
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Speaker 1: of twigs, lay them out and you got to identify all.

472
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: So you'd walk in the laboratory. They be fifty sheets

473
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Speaker 1: of paper and on each piece of paper and they

474
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Speaker 1: were all distance out so you couldn't cheat off your buddy.

475
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: And you'd walk around and no complete silence everything, and

476
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Speaker 1: they'll just be a one inch four inch little twig

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00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: with just the buds. But what about unlike the pines

478
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: and stuff, there be u fascicle like which is the

479
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: clump a clump of needles like a five needle or three.

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00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: You know, hard pines, well not always. You got a

481
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: lot of different types of conifer. Now it's all stuff

482
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: native to Pennsylvania since we're in Pennsylvania, but a lot

483
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: of the species rupping down that northeast. But like with

484
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: the hard pines, you got table mountain, pitch, all different

485
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: types like you can it can get a little tricky,

486
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: or there be a cone, an armored cone. You know,

487
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: the soft pines were easy for us here and that

488
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, but sometimes the armored cones, like shortly pine,

489
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: table mountain and pitch, sometimes their cones are a little

490
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: hard to tell apart. So it would just be that

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00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: and you'd have to do family genus species in the Latin,

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00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes it asked like you'd have to

493
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Speaker 1: say a fact about that tree. You had to know

494
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: all that and then yeah, that was for dendrology and

495
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: we had I don't remember on that one. I was

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Speaker 1: good at the at dendro. I wasn't good at anything else.

497
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: I really wish I knew my trees better. I walk

498
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: around and go up, that's the tree. We had to

499
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: be able to identify how many tree species it was

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00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: in like our hundred twenties, like ballpark is what we

501
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: learned family and species. And we'd have we'd have like

502
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: we would go out so we would do part of

503
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: our exams where we would do like field tests, and

504
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: like we would walk out into a field. We'd have

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00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: these little pieces of paper and our our professor would

506
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: point to a tree and we'd have to write it

507
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: down and handed to her h and then she'd do

508
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: that for I don't know scies. We weekly like that.

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Speaker 1: How many in your class? I think I graduated with

510
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: like nine or eleven or something like that. I started

511
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: with third with thirty some in the program, but after

512
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: the end of the two years it was only like sixteen,

513
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: may be of my associate and then I only graduated

514
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: my bachelor's with like six to nine people something. There

515
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: was some attrition, very very much. First they first they

516
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: dropped like flies because it's hard because everyone did they

517
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: pick it. It's weird you guys got that far. Then

518
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: chickened out and went into different fields, didn't I worked.

519
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: I worked in forestry. Then he went into the military.

520
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: Well that was a different like goal. But then when

521
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: I got back, I went right into work for pheasants forever.

522
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: And then I worked for pheasants forever and then went

523
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: out to US for service. And I used to work

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Speaker 1: for the Game Commission in college. You know your observation

525
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: that you thought by studying forestry you could be better

526
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: at hunting and fishing. Um, we're having it. We were

527
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: talking about that one time with with our beloved Pat

528
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: Durkin mhm, and like just like woodsmanship and being a naturalist, right,

529
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: and he was saying, Um, he's kind of expressing this

530
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Speaker 1: almost like it's unfortunate. He's like, you know, he spent

531
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Speaker 1: a lot of time profiling like very effective deer hunters,

532
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: like stone cold killers on white tails. You know, he said,

533
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Speaker 1: the thing he's found a lot of these guys they

534
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: can't tell you what kind of tree their tree stands

535
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: hanging in. Really, that like amazes me. He's like it

536
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: just like it takes a lot, but it doesn't take

537
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: that I saw. I saw one time, I saw a dude. Um,

538
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: he's like instant famous does a lot of white tail

539
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: hunting in the Midwest. And he was going around like

540
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: scouting the property and he was saying, how, um, you

541
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: could tell this was a fresh deer rub because it

542
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: was low on the tree. Then old deer rub will

543
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: be higher in a tree because the tree grows up. Yeah,

544
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, leave a comment. I didn't know,

545
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't, but I was like that man probably knows

546
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: his shipload about deer but has no clue how a

547
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: tree grows. But it definitely doesn't know how a tree grows.

548
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: That's really funny. Yeah, uh, yeah, that's interesting because, um,

549
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: we shot the steel broad head into a tree in

550
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: our yard and we're a little and you can still

551
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: see like a little swell from it there and it yeah,

552
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: never change height. Um. That's surprising though, that that's the case,

553
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: because I felt like, and I'm sure Seth would agree,

554
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: when you learn all your species and then to you

555
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: really start getting into like silvics of the species, Like

556
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: you can look back that the whole Landscapes of history book,

557
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: and you can look at how stuff regenerated. You can

558
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: look at stumps, you can start breaking the for it

559
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: like we do. We break everything down and stands okay,

560
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: group group of trees that is um unique to like

561
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: a size species. You can start lumping them together and

562
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: you can just create these rooms, like you can actually

563
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: create a betting area wide deer betting there. Then you

564
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: can see travel corridor and then you can actually see

565
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 1: like why especially with mass producing eastern hardwoods, when you're

566
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: dropping acorns and everything, and like we're talking about their day,

567
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: like there, the deer will eat white oak acorns before

568
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: they start hammering on the wet red oak acorns because

569
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: the tannins and stuff. See, when you start knowing that,

570
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: you can break it all down and make sense. It's

571
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: not just a bunch of green stamps. I think it's

572
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: like it's a component. It's helpful, but there's a lot

573
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: of ways around it totally. Just like you know, every

574
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: day I'm treeing the woods, but be fidgety. I think

575
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: it helps. Not patient, but you don't need to, but

576
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: it definitely helps. So when uh so you got out

577
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: of that whole deal, got out of school, Yeah, and

578
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: then I want to get to bout I want to

579
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: get to the part about uh no, you know where

580
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm going. I asked you as there's a part of

581
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: that I had to ask if I could ask, but

582
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm not asking that yet. But um, I caught when

583
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: we were talking, so I know you were in the

584
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: service and your old man was and he was injured

585
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: in Iraq. Yes, it's it's so weird that at this

586
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: point to be talking to a grown man who's old

587
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: man was in the Iraq War was injured in Iraq.

588
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: What branch of the services? He in Marine Corps. Yeah,

589
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: he was forty he turned forty three in Iraq. He

590
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: was old though when he was there. Yeah, he Um,

591
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: he did twenty four years. Most of that was in

592
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: the reserve. So yeah, but he and that he got deployed,

593
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: you know three, Yeah, because it was right after like

594
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: I shot my first year when I was twelve. Everything

595
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: was two thousand and two, and he deployed in January,

596
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: went to Iraq and came back and like just under

597
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: a year. So you were twelve and the old man

598
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: got shipped off to Iraq. One of one of the

599
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: last times we really like had a father son like

600
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: experience was when I shot my first year. Yeah, and

601
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: then uh, but you didn't see your dad for years.

602
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: Then he got super busy, like for pre deployment all

603
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: that and everything, and they left in januaryly beginning, yeah,

604
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: maybe middle January. I can't remember exactly when he left.

605
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: I went to RACK, but he got a traumatic arain

606
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: injury there and then came home and from that brain injury,

607
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: he had a traumatic brain injury and a bunch of

608
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: spinal injuries and he just but like he just took

609
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: ivy prof and they didn't they didn't ship them home

610
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: after They really didn't know what was going on with him,

611
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: and he just got a Parkinson's is um so from

612
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: his brain injury. He has a lot. He has mobile problems.

613
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: He's mostly in a wheelchair a lot and stuff and

614
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: has problems getting around right. And just saw him at Christmas.

615
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: Soon when he's doing he's doing pretty good. He with

616
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: so it comes and goes, but it's all neurological. He

617
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: has a deep brain stimulator too. He's one of the

618
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: first people in the US to get a deep sprain stimulator.

619
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: So he has it, and I'm pretty sure he was

620
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: the first guy to have it installed on his left

621
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: shoulder instead of was right because he wanted to still

622
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: shoot a firearm and they were all putting him on

623
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: He had the right shoulder, and he asked the surgeon

624
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: if he could put it on his left so he

625
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: could still shoulder a firearm. But it's like a pacemaker

626
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: goes down into his brain pulse states and um helps

627
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: his uh dopamine levels for mobility and everything. So yeah,

628
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: so with that, I yeah, I uh so, then you

629
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: felt compelled to go to the Marine Corps. No, no,

630
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: it was it was opposite. All I wanted to do

631
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: was go to the Marines when I was a kid.

632
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: And then I with his mobility and struggle as I

633
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: was just being a sixteen year old kid being an idiot,

634
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: and I just struggled with that fact. And I was

635
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: irritated at A because we had to kind of figure

636
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: out what was going on with his situation with the

637
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: v A and he couldn't work no more when he

638
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: got medically retired and everything. And so I did not

639
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: join the military eighteen, which is my biggest regret in

640
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: my life, even though I'm glad where my life is

641
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: right now, but I did not join an eighteen. I

642
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: went to college and did mon Alto, and then my

643
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: sophomore year of college, I started having big regrets about it,

644
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: and I made the decision to to just join after

645
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: call post college. So that did how long? Uh so

646
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: I did? Uh? I was doing officers candidate like recruiting

647
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: and ended up graduating and I was six months out.

648
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: I was living on cess farm, just way to get

649
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: like a date to go to officers Can school ship date,

650
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: because you don't like you gotta get accepted. And at

651
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: this time there's a huge bottleneck. They really slimmed down

652
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: how many guys were going officers Can at school. So

653
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: I ended up getting impatient and I enlisted, um various reasons,

654
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of family stuff too. I didn't know if

655
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: I can, Like my dad wasn't doing too well at

656
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: that point, um so, and I wanted to go infantry

657
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: really bad. So I ended up the contract I did

658
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: was infantry, but I went reserve. So so then I

659
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: did boot camp school of Infantry, and then I put

660
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: back in reserving in Pennsylvania and I just did four

661
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: years because at the end of the four years, my

662
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: plan was I would try to go back officer. But

663
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: that's when moving to Montana and that was a better

664
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: new Yeah, I want to change that at all. Did

665
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: your dad support your Oh yeah, yep, yep, he was Yeah,

666
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: my mom supported to. Yeah, but it was you know,

667
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: that was at the draft. I was in and left,

668
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: so I was when everything was starting to really settle down.

669
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I was very board. I grew up

670
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: in a military family. Almost all the males of my

671
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: family served. So talking about when you got like, uh,

672
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: when you went through your health christ Yeah, okay, so

673
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: this is part Steve really likes. Not that I like it,

674
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: it's just something we's just like a thing we haven't

675
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: never explored. Yeah. No, So that was a fat kid

676
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: always you know, always overweight, um like all growing up. Yeah,

677
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: for the most part, I got you know heavy when

678
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: I was ten around then and everything all through. But

679
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: I was still very active. I got was an Eagle Scout,

680
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: did boy Scouts. We did backpacking all the time, fifty

681
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: mile backpacks every year. We did a couple of them.

682
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: So super active. But in college I got, like the

683
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: freshman fifteen, really packed on some pounds and I got

684
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: up to two and thirty some pounds. I am five

685
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: that is funny, So the military only does he by

686
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: whole inch, so I'm five nine on their records, but

687
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm five eight and a half. So yeah, they rouned

688
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: you up. They round you up, which is good well

689
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: because you get a weight cap and I was always

690
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: one of the guys that was pushing it. So also

691
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: they gave you an extra half inish to help you

692
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: out in the weight case. That's usually generally what to do. Um,

693
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure to think how big that is? So what

694
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: was the weight again too, like to mid two thirties.

695
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember what like the max max pound it was,

696
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: but it was in them two thirties and I'm five

697
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: eight and a half and in uh five months, I

698
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: lost like fifty five pounds just one day. I just yeah,

699
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: I made a decision. I was like, this is done.

700
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm done doing this and that's all it is. It's

701
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: a mental But when you made the decision, what was

702
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: your understanding of why it was that it had happened

703
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: to you? Not tracking with the quiet? What's your like?

704
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: You must have said, like you didn't make a decision

705
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: to get thin. You had to make a decision that

706
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: that underdo such and such thing like how did you

707
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: know what the problem? So and I was thinking about

708
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: doing the joining the military. I was like, well you

709
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: got like there's weight rags. Everything got to be in shape.

710
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: And that's when I made the decision. I was like, well,

711
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna do that, I need to just get

712
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: in shape and too. I was never you know, I

713
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: always want to be able to run faster and do

714
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: all that. So that was just like little all I needed,

715
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: and it clicked in my head. I was like, well,

716
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'm just gonna get in really

717
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: good shape. So I went down got to like at

718
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: one point, I got two hundred and fifty eight pounds.

719
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: But what are the things you changed? Diet? I got

720
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: up every morning and ran three miles because that's what

721
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: the p f T was, so I knew I did

722
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: work on that timet. Uh, well, I pretty much. This

723
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: is where I made some mistakes. I starved myself. I

724
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: like there was days some days I would eat a

725
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: couple of oranges. Here was that committed. Yeah, I would

726
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: get really bad starvation headaches, but I was just so committed.

727
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't care, it's calories. Your calories

728
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: burned has to exceed your calories in. And that's all

729
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: I did. And I just which definitely could tell. I

730
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: think her hurt my stomach a little bit by starving myself, firing.

731
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: But I you know, I would eat not like months

732
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: of just low, low calories, but there'll be a day

733
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: week I'd be like, well, I'm hardly gonna eat any day,

734
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: just keep going and I yeah. But it was easy

735
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: because once I started seeing progress, I was like, this

736
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: is it. I am, I'm getting to that goal and

737
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: I did it. So yeah. So it's just it was

738
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: a mental decision to lose that weight, that's all it was.

739
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: And it's painful, but well what I went out starving

740
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: myself and that will get painful and everything, and yeah,

741
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: but um, you know, one thing that was pretty awesome though,

742
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: was the encouragement people like I knew seth Man when

743
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: I lost on my weight and like everyone when they

744
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: saw it was like real encouragement. When they haven't seen

745
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: you in like a month or a couple of weeks

746
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: and then they see you again, you're really working at it.

747
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: It's awesome. I was, um, I was still up. He

748
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: was easy year ahead of me. So I was, um,

749
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: sophomore year, yeah, and you were junior year up at

750
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: main Camera sell Us still a month out too. I

751
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: remember coming back up to main campus to visit for

752
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: the weekend and I saw him. Was like, holy sh it,

753
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: like what happened because he just like I hadn't seen

754
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: him for months all summer and I came up and

755
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: saw him for the first time in like three or

756
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: four months, and just like half the size he was,

757
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: And I had no clue that he was even like

758
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: trying to lose weight. Yeah, I didn't tell no one.

759
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: I was just I told every when I came back

760
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: to school. But yeah, that was it. So what was

761
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: it when you the first time he went back in

762
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: the woods, you know, lighter, like feeling fit. It was amazing?

763
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: Oh man, Oh yeah, I feel like I could do anything.

764
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: It was like running wise and everything in a Yeah, totally.

765
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: I would encourage anyone, like if especially in a young person,

766
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: to just do it. It's a mental decision. Just make

767
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: decision and stick with it. It's gonna like suck, but

768
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: do it, because man, once you're fit and everything, you can,

769
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: like I'm addicted to running now. I love going for

770
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: long runs and stuff and everything. So yeah, but tell

771
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 1: people about the decision to uh expunge your Oh yeah,

772
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: because that came up because we're talking about photos. Because

773
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: I have a somewhat over Yeah, I ever regret now.

774
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: I was so ashamed of those years of being overweight.

775
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: How long were the years, well, from you know, ten

776
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: ten leven all the way up until college. So to

777
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: find years of you know, becoming a going from like, yeah,

778
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: that's that's from a pivotal very pivotal. Because you showed

779
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 1: me a picture of a big, huge, freaking bobcat you trapped. Yeah,

780
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: and that was a couple of days where I went

781
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: to bootcamp. Yeah. Well I was like, you look skinny

782
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: as a bean. Yeah, I'll show these some mothers are

783
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: on my phone. You should see how skinny I am. Yeah.

784
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, but then I just destroyed and got

785
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: rid of all the I called my fat pictures. I'm

786
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: just like, I'm getting rid of I'm burning this part

787
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: of my life out really. Oh yeah, And and I

788
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: regret it because I rid of a lot of hunting

789
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: grip and grins and hunting pictures and stuff I've killed. Man,

790
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: I got some seth keep Yeah, he's got once a

791
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: yeah digital on his phone. Um, but yeah, I just

792
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: tried to erase it because I was like shamed of it.

793
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: But now I look him back as I'm getting older,

794
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, a lot of people say you should

795
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: just be proud that you did that, you made that change,

796
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: you just keep going down that path. So yeah, it's

797
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: tricky because you obviously switched up some habits, created some

798
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: new ones that you're really happy about. But to be

799
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: so like ashamed of of just yeah, it's I don't know,

800
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: it's a tricky. It's a tricky thing, right, Yeah, definitely.

801
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean because I feel bad for that thirteen year

802
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: old Rick Well what yeah, because I got picked on

803
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: and stuff for what just just oh yeah, I mean

804
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: yeah I was a fat kid. I got picked on

805
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: hey heck yeah, yeah, the judgment that goes along with it. Yeah,

806
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, like what kind of picked up Well, you

807
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: know general, like you ain't getting picked for a lot

808
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: of sports everything like in gym class when you're a

809
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: kid and everything. You know. Yeah, so that that part

810
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: really makes it's breaking your heart. Really, that's just think

811
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: about how I got kids? Man. People are they like

812
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: they're they're evil little they don't know better, but they're

813
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: just evil little people. Yeah. People are Yeah. No, I

814
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: I can't remember like exact things people. I just remember

815
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: sometimes being really stressed and upset. There they have moments

816
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: of like incredible passion and moments of just wickedness. Yeah. Yeah,

817
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: that's a really good way to put with kids. And

818
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: then it can happen at the same time, one out

819
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: of the left hand, one out of the right. Yeah.

820
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: So but horrible little things. Yeah, well, can't be raising

821
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: a bunch. So I'm saying just just I'm not. I'm

822
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: not and I'm not acting like this is just I mean,

823
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: I see them do things to each other. Yeah, I'm like,

824
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: what who would like know what I know, would do

825
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: that to like someone, even a stranger, little siblings? I don't.

826
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: I think when you're young, you don't have you don't

827
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: understand like the ramifications of what you say and how

828
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: that would like burn and linger in someone's mind or

829
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: anything like that. So but then again, I don't know

830
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: all that led up to me just feeling like I'm

831
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: sick of this and I made my decision. So if

832
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: no one did do that to me or like I was,

833
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't frustrated with my physical abilities, would I have

834
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: ever made the decision to change. I don't know, And

835
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I made that decision. What do you

836
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: think now about you know, there's this kind of national

837
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: dialogue right where this is yep, where you know, it's

838
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: I don't know how to tell everybody about what I'm

839
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: talking about. I don't know the obesity pandemic except yeah,

840
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: the idea that that um like love your body, yeah,

841
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: which is like a good advice, you know it generally,

842
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: But then there's this this there's this idea, like I

843
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: guess within the culture, there's a growing trend to be

844
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: like that that that um, beauty was always defined a

845
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: certain way, and so it was like this binary thing

846
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: like you're like thin and beautiful or you're not your

847
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: you're or you're ugly, And there's this this this um

848
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: tendency to want to like to take this down, to

849
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: have this not be the way that it's not like

850
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: that such as you know, this huge percent of the

851
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: population should sort of like feel the shame of not

852
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: hitting a certain physical stature that society has deemed acceptable.

853
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there's like healthcare professionals who

854
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: are like there are serious, like like there are costs

855
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: to being overweight, very legitimate cost of being overweight, and

856
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: it's not like a beauty it's like beauty not beauty

857
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: is sort of like there there's the health component. Yeah,

858
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: and I but you know, I'm I'm doing a horrible

859
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: job of expressing it. But this is like a thing

860
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: you hear about totally. No, I think you did a

861
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: pretty good job. Let's explain that and I'll just say

862
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: my personal opinion about it. Uh. I think everyone should

863
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: be confident with themselves. I think that's big things. We're

864
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: all different and it's weirder, and you compare like major

865
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: athletes and stuff they run like, just be confident yourself,

866
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: but be healthy that and it really pisces me off.

867
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. It when because people don't know my

868
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: past when they see me and then they're like, well,

869
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: I can't lose because I can't lose weight because of

870
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: this or that, and you know, I'm fifty pounds overweight

871
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: and it's just never gonna happen, and it's it is

872
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: a It irritates me because I'm like, you can it

873
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: is a decision because I woke up one day and

874
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: I flipped a switch in my brain and I did

875
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: whatever it took to accomplish that. And I don't think

876
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: I think there's very few people that have a physical

877
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: limitation to holding them back from being super healthy. And

878
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: I am There's not a day I wake up that

879
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: I would go back to that. I love being healthy.

880
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: I love being able to go for big the wrong ron's.

881
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: I love being able to go to the gym and

882
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: actually perform the way I should for my age class.

883
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: And I will say, there's there's health ramifications my knees.

884
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: I think my knees are gonna give out before they

885
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: would have because I was carrying around all that extra weight,

886
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: and especially too I was an active kids. I was

887
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 1: going on backpackers. You know, I'd have a big pack

888
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: plus extra weight, all that extra weight, and uh, you

889
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: can ask Seth he's heard I'll bend, I'll kneel down.

890
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: My knees will crack loud, both of them, like, and

891
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: I could tell some days I gotta like, I'm definitely

892
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: gonna have those are that's the part of my body

893
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: I think is going to start failing early with my knees. Well,

894
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: let me ask you this as long as round the subject,

895
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: Uh the people that goofed on you when you were

896
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: a kid. Yeah, Um, do you now think like, thank

897
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: god those people were so ruthless and awful. No, but

898
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: I also I'm not I did. I'm man, it's kind

899
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: of hard. Yeah, no, I don't think that. But then

900
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: I also I think because of the subject we've talked about,

901
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you should totally ignore I think people

902
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: should be like, hey, you know, if you have a

903
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: friend that's that's overweight and unhealthy, should be like, hey,

904
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: let's uh, you should think about taking some steps to

905
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: just be healthy. Like you shouldn't ignore it. That's my

906
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting at, you know, Um, yeah, I

907
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: don't think I'm never like thankful. I got bullied for

908
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: that part amount you know, life and everything. But I

909
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: definitely I don't know. I'm just I guess I spent

910
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: in a positive in my mind and you can't just

911
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: look negative at it. Do you feel, um to lose

912
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of weight. Do you feel that you were

913
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: more uh moving towards like a definition of health that

914
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 1: you had, or more moving away from like getting goofed

915
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: out by people moving towards a definitely in health. I

916
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: think yeah, yeah, because like I was in college and everything.

917
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: When I was I was like, my eye was fully

918
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: well I wouldn't say fully developed, man, but by that

919
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: point getting close. But I was myself, and I was

920
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: confident in myself to who I was. But I just

921
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: wanted to be in shape. Yeah, the goof and probably

922
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: stop college college. Yeah, the goof and stop. Oh yeah yeah,

923
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: because your old man it was a marine. Was he like,

924
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: did he like look like a marine? Yeah? Yeah, he

925
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: looks like a marine. Yeah he's yeah, he looks like

926
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: a marine. He still he still looks like a marine.

927
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: Was there a little bit of rebellion in there? He

928
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: thinks it's illegal to not get a high and tight haircut.

929
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can't shake the old half. Yeah but

930
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: you were a marine too, right, I don't know if

931
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: that came yeah yeah, yeah to the Marine Corps. Yeah.

932
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: Um yeah, which my like service was nothing compared to

933
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: my old man's. I don't even talk about my service

934
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 1: that much. No, you really don't know, No, I don't, um,

935
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, because what my dad gave up for

936
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: the country and everything, I know, like I had a

937
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: little a little bit of that, so I don't I

938
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: don't talk about it much. Um. He's the one who

939
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: got you started hunting though, Oh yeah, yeah I started.

940
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean I never I mean we joke about I

941
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: don't I don't know anything about sports. I played some

942
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: sports because I think my parents were like, we want

943
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: you to be accepted, like try this. And all I

944
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: want to do was play with guns and go hunting

945
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: and fishing. But he got me started and all that,

946
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: and I was in the boy Scouts all you know,

947
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: all that to my eagle, um, but yeah, my dad

948
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: got me started and all that. He grew up in

949
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: a hunting family. So can I ask a question that

950
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: might be jumping I had too much or maybe not? Yeah, man,

951
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: did he did your dad get you into flintlock? Or

952
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: where I'm sitting here thinking like how am I gonna

953
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: get out of this and get into because I'm super

954
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: interested in this, but I know where we gotta go.

955
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: So as I'm sitting here thinking like howm I gonna

956
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: do it, I was like I don't know if if

957
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: people care about Oh no, they care a lot, dude,

958
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: but I was. I didn't want to know what to do,

959
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: and I was bought ready to hit panic and then

960
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: dirt comes in. But that was an amazing transition because

961
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: UH started out going small game hunt with my dad,

962
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: like watching him shoot squirrels the Twain two, but the

963
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: first deer I ever watched get killed. It was with

964
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: a flintlock, but the one your dad was kind of

965
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: shooting down on it kind of yeah, and I was

966
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: kind of down at it too. Um we were out.

967
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: So this you can transition this into I don't know

968
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk about later, but Seth and I

969
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: was real solid man. Seth and I both grew up

970
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: in in areas of Pennsylvania that had heavy uh coal mining,

971
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: and I did. I grew up in School County, the

972
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: anthracite coal region, so a lot of hunting was so.

973
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: Anthracite coal is hard coal, and eastern Pennsylvania from Scranton

974
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: area all the way down to Pottsville, which is where

975
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: I was born and raised, is where you can get

976
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: anthracite coal. It's hard coal, it's shiny, burns more efficient,

977
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: less sash, and more b two us yep, good clean

978
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: coal versus by two minutes. But I grew up in

979
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: that region. Seth grew up where they mined by two

980
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 1: minutes coal. So he grew up in the ship coal area.

981
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: He did. That's right, And you do you feel that

982
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: like affected you guys outlook and personalities? What that he

983
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: grew up in the ship like ship coal and good coal. No, No,

984
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: I think it's shapes. I think I think it's shaped

985
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: how we view resource extraction. But I don't think. I

986
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: don't think, maybe think any less of uh. But we

987
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: always called coal area, Yeah, comparable all this coal on

988
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: the on the hills soft coal. Yeah, that's the only

989
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: place in the US everything soft coal except for an

990
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: eastern Pennsylvan's only place you can get in the U

991
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: s is anthrasies hard coal. That's it. Everything else is

992
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: by two minutes coal to some level. There's different levels

993
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: by tuminus. What's lignite, that's by tuminus. But I think

994
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: it's really crappy, but real chromic, real chremy coal. Yeah,

995
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: Like I grew up, my grandmother would have coal on

996
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: her bookshelves from all her family, like a couple of

997
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: her brothers had mines and stuff. And they're like shiny

998
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: black diamonds, like they shine. They're all washed off, but

999
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: it's real shiny, nice looking stuff. So so when those

1000
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: guys are goofing now any about your weight, we're like, well,

1001
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: it's at least these are come from good coal countries.

1002
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: That didn't ocur to me. That was just normal that

1003
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: was life. But we always hunted out on a lot

1004
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: of coal land. Like we always said, down in the strippings, um,

1005
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: because really strippings, yeah, stripping pits, strippings, that's what they

1006
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: call it because they're stripped. Minding Ye yeah, right worth

1007
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: sitting right now right below, UM, I would have regarded

1008
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: as like you you clarified, it's not I would look

1009
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: that must be like that must be the mountaintop removal

1010
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: we hear so much about. But you're like, that's that

1011
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: doesn't even not technical strip. They they do recontour and

1012
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: level stuff during strip. Mind, we're close enough to the

1013
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: mind right now, we're sitting here. Earlier in the cabin.

1014
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: Then there was a little bit of a shake because

1015
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: they they must have detonated a charge up there to

1016
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: move some ground. You guys are hunting the strippings. Yep,

1017
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: we're ound the strippings. And I probably was like eleven,

1018
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: maybe maybe tan at this point, and I was getting

1019
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: a little tired. We're doing mouches, as Doug Darren would say,

1020
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: but small drives, just with with my uncles there was

1021
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't a fawn drive. Doug wouldn't really agree with that.

1022
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: Oh he wouldn't is that he's a little stupid about it. Um,

1023
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: like a mooch. I've argued with dog about this a

1024
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: million times. In a mooch, which is like a deer drive,

1025
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: but not in a mooch. It would be that like

1026
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: there's like a like a blind sitting still hunting component

1027
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: to it. Okay, it kind of stems from like some

1028
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: relative of his probably looked exactly like them. Uh at

1029
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: one point in time it said something like, you know,

1030
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: I was just creeping along, Yeah, you know, mooching, right,

1031
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: And it'll be like if you're doing a mooch, it

1032
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: might be that everybody goes out in the morning and

1033
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: gets in a blind and their dear blind around the

1034
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: farm and even the neighbor the neighboring farm, right, Like,

1035
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: everybody's out there blind and it's scheduled that like we'll

1036
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: sit till about eight mhm. And then Dave and Bob

1037
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: are going to get out of their blinds and mooch

1038
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: along these two different ridges, okay, and just stir stuff

1039
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: and just gently gently get things astiring. And then like

1040
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: let's say Dave arrives at some other blind he hadn't

1041
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: been sitting in. He might climb up into that blind, okay,

1042
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: at which point Doug gets out and mooches down into

1043
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: a little bottom real quiet m and in around about

1044
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: that time, like surely climbs down out of her blind,

1045
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, yeah yeah, and mooches around the dogs blind

1046
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: and then deb and it's this whole thing like that.

1047
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, So technically we're not doing that. It's

1048
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: like it's just a little mini pushes, yeah, mini pushes

1049
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: a little um mini subtle, like not blowing deer out,

1050
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,479
Speaker 1: but just nudging them, nudging along. My uncle was going

1051
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: through Connifer cover like we did a lot this whole trip,

1052
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: and he bumped out two dall when they came running. Well, oh,

1053
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: I gotta back up. I was tired, say does oh man,

1054
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: that's you brought up to say dough. Yeah, and it's

1055
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: a really bad habit. So did you grow up to

1056
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: say dough where you live? Um, I've things I don't

1057
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Yeah, that's the way My entire family

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00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: and obviously a lot of the guys that grew up

1059
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: hunting around how they said it. So it's just it's automatic.

1060
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: And I don't even think it's regional because we grew

1061
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: up with people that said it, yeah, do not Bucks?

1062
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: And does Bucks? And does Yeah. I think it's super common.

1063
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people shall do that, and

1064
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't even catch myself doing it. Like I saw um,

1065
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: but I was tired. And he climbed up on a

1066
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: big overburden pile of coal that was all it was

1067
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: left from years ago and it's all grown up around

1068
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: at everything. But he went up on it like it'd

1069
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: be in a stand to get an elevated shooting position

1070
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: at the end of this conifer cover. And my uncle

1071
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: book uh two does out and they came running right up,

1072
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: and one saw me sitting on a stump. My dad

1073
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: sent me on, hit the brakes and just watched me.

1074
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: And I remember staring right in her eyes, and I

1075
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: heard the flintlock go off on and like a foot

1076
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: to a big shot of blood shot out of her side,

1077
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: and she ran off thirty yards and piled up. My

1078
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: dad came down. That was like the first time I

1079
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: put my hands on a dead deer, and I was

1080
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: so chomping at the bit to go hunting after that.

1081
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: And then she feel like flintlock. I mean, my dad

1082
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: has killed more deer with his flintlock than his center

1083
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: fire rifle. Yeah, what year did they start the flintlock season? Here? Uh,

1084
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: seventy three? Checked that sheet front of you. I say,

1085
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: one second. That page covers the advent of the triple Trophy,

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00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: where you get a special trophy if you killed a

1087
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: deer bearon Turkey in year, which they started handing out

1088
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty six, and then in nineteen seventy two,

1089
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: mysteriously they ended the triple Trophy program. I really need

1090
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: to rease I don't know the history behind that. I

1091
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: just knew was a good idea. For six years at

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00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: my hunting camp, there was a few guys that had

1093
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: their hunting jackets and they had Triple Trophy patches on it. Well,

1094
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: how do I not remember? This is a damn year.

1095
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: I was born two years after Jeremiah Johnson. Yeah, so

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00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: that was so Yeah. I threw that in on that

1097
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: little thing because I feel like that probably set the

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01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: stage because that was such a popular movie. Um my

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01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: parents watched Jeremiah Johnson at your about a year and

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01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: three months after it came out, and that led to

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01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: such a weird thought, that's a romantic movie. My mom

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01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: and uh my mom and dad for their honeymoon. They

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01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: went and stayed in one of those ice shanties you

1104
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: can live in. Oh, that's spent their honeymoons ice fishing

1105
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: and ice shanty. Do you think it was a scene

1106
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: where he flips the blanket off? Swan that like got

1107
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: your parents? Is that when you're thinking of your charlie?

1108
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: What's that scene she lay after they getting married. She

1109
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: lays down under the blanket naked and then he clips

1110
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: it off and says, lord, um oh they started Muslim flintlocks.

1111
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,479
Speaker 1: But it's the only state that has a flint lux. Yeah, yeah,

1112
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: so is it? Like? Why is that? Until? What the

1113
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: hell flintlock is? Man? We've covered it so many damn times. Yeah, seth,

1114
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: do you do it? You're I'm talking too much, But

1115
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: first tell what a matchlock is, or I could do that,

1116
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, you tell what? Explain the matchlock better? Time

1117
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: Dred's beginning of sixteen hundred's the cutting edge technology was

1118
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: a matchlock. So it was a pan that came out

1119
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: the side of the barrel, held a priming powder and

1120
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: then an arm that would be cocked back and then

1121
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: when the trigger was pulled back, it would The Seared

1122
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: movie would release, and a smoldering rope would go in

1123
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: that and ignite the powder. The problem with that is

1124
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: as you as the rope kept smoldering back, you kept

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01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: having to push it and make sure time was up

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01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: far enough and time right. So it's like someone starts

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01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: to drive or do your drive. Let's say with a matchlock,

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: you might light the wick right when it starts, and

1129
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: by when here we come, you'd light the wick. I

1130
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: mean yeah, if they were doing deer drives back then yeah,

1131
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: that's probably doing or it would smolder. I'm not sure

1132
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: how like the rate. Maybe it was a super super

1133
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: slow so you can almost hunt for No, no, it

1134
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: would you would want to. Yeah, you're not like sitting

1135
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: there because I think they didn't have any lighters. Right,

1136
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't a quick igniance. He had to try to

1137
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: take something from a candle or a fire to light.

1138
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: That starts smoldering that room. Until this very minute, I

1139
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: didn't know that that's what a matchlock was. Yeah. Yeah,

1140
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: and then then when the hammer held a burning wick

1141
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: and then pushed it right into the pan, they wouldn't

1142
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: put the wick out when that happened, you know, I

1143
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: don't I don't know I don't know if it did

1144
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: or not. I feel like it probably wouldn't. It would

1145
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: still be smoldering because there's ignition in the pan. It's

1146
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: not like it goes in and cuts off all oxygen

1147
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: or anything and there's nothing. And then that little pan

1148
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: of powder goes ye and then shoots into the side

1149
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: of the barrel through a thing called a touch hole

1150
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: and then ignite the main charge. And it pushed a

1151
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: patch and ball or just a ball because a lot

1152
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: of more smooth boars. Well I think all matchlocks were

1153
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: smooth boars. Yeah, he would throw that ball down the

1154
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: end of the barrel. So that is the bee's knees.

1155
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: What was what were the poor folks shooting? What was

1156
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: a bad gun during match lock time? Yeah? I don't know. Yeah,

1157
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: maybe not again some sharp little Yesterday's equivalent of the

1158
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: dude that comes up with a laser range finder. Yeah, decides,

1159
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: he says, you know what I'm gonna do? Man? What

1160
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: does he do? Sth he comes up with something better?

1161
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: It makes the flintlock. So the flintlock is um it's

1162
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,479
Speaker 1: similar in the way and like how the parts move

1163
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: in a way. There's a hammer, there's a flash pan

1164
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: and then there's a touch hole that goes into the barrel.

1165
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: But over the pan there's you I think of like

1166
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: a flint and steel. So on the hammer there's a

1167
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: piece of flint held in by a little vice, held

1168
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: in by a little yeah, a little vice type thing.

1169
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: And then over the pan there's a frizzen, and the

1170
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: frizzen is the steel part. So when so you prime

1171
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: the pan, flip the frizzen down over so that keeps

1172
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: that powder kind of dry. And it's about it. The

1173
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: priming is about as much as like when you see it,

1174
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: you know in the movies and someone gets a little

1175
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: fingernail a coke or something. It's about like that amount

1176
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: of powder, like a pinch of salt, like a pinch

1177
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: of salt um. The frizzing covers the powder in the pan.

1178
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: When you cock the hammer back and pull the trigger,

1179
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: the hammer flies forward hits the steel on the frizzen,

1180
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: which flips the frizzen out of the way. The the

1181
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,479
Speaker 1: sparks from the flint hitting the steel fall into the pan,

1182
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: which causes a little explosion, a little flash in your face,

1183
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: which then travels through the touch hole into the breach

1184
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: of the barrel, which ignites the powder, sending the patch

1185
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: and ball out of the gun. Yep, I think it

1186
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: was a good one. Yeah, yeah, depend oh you can go.

1187
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: Do we ever work? Does this ever work out? Like

1188
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: remember we were talking about the pig they'll have LENI

1189
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: eat the turkey ship? Yeah? Did you put on Instagram? Yeah?

1190
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: I did so people could go find it? Yes, it worked,

1191
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: It mostly worked. Did you see evidence of people going

1192
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: to see it because we talked about it? Yes, And

1193
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: I've received probably fifty messages of people asking me where

1194
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: they could see that video. Wasn't it right there? Yeah,

1195
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: it's in Just like I said on the podcast, it

1196
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: will be in the highlights under Texas. But why don't

1197
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: you just put it in the feed and eventually right

1198
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: well put it put it as opposed. Well then then

1199
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: like eventually, you know, someone listened to that podcast a

1200
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: year from now, can go can go to my highlights

1201
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: and they're like right there right on top. Yeah, but

1202
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: that was no one knows about that. That's picky about

1203
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: what goes in his feet there, Ye, there in a

1204
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: way that people couldn't find it. No, it's it's rick.

1205
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: Help help me explain it. It is easier to it's

1206
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: easier to find it in the highlights than it is

1207
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: in the feet. Well, you listen to me, he has

1208
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: an aesthetic to keep up with Mr Technology over here.

1209
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: That's me tapping listen. Well, I'm gonna put the world's

1210
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: greatest hang by your video. Steve will put in some

1211
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: stupid highlight folder. Steve will put it in his seed meat.

1212
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: I will put it in my highlight folder, right and

1213
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: then meat under p a flint lock right in the meat.

1214
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: Like when you go in, you cann type in at

1215
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: Steven Ronella and you're gonna be served up a Schmorgus

1216
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: board of visual imagery. If you go look, you'll find

1217
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: one of dirt having a great uh a great what's

1218
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: known as a hang fire. And depending on when this

1219
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: podcast comes out, um, don't expect it to be the

1220
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: first video on your feet. You might have to you

1221
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,959
Speaker 1: might to scroll once you know what I said, Shmorges board,

1222
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna do a bunch of No, you'll be served

1223
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: a Smorgas board of images. But it might be that

1224
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: particular video might be where they put like the lemon

1225
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: uh oh, like as you go through the thing, like

1226
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: you got rolls salad, crutains and baco bits. Right. Then

1227
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: you get into the right then he's like, you get

1228
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: the weird area where you had like cottage cheese and

1229
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: I peaches and peaches, and then you're gonna keep going.

1230
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like a big vat soup and stuff,

1231
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,959
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go down and there's gonna be dirt

1232
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: with the hang fire. Okay, that's where you'll find it.

1233
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: That's where you'll find on at Steven Ronella. Um, I

1234
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: didn't know you didn't come through on that, what like

1235
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: I asked, No, it's there. Fifty people couldn't find it. Yeah,

1236
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: well they fifty people have a hard time listening to

1237
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: directions more than more than that. So it'll be there.

1238
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: The hang fire. Yea, what the hell are we talking about?

1239
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: Hang fires? Yeah? Oh the sound of it. Yeah yeah,

1240
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: that's Lauren was saying. Sometimes it goes I feel like

1241
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: best case scenario. There is a small delay, right, No

1242
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: best case scenario. It's just like I mean, it's quick,

1243
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah kind of right, slight delay, but it's

1244
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: not as slow as most people think though. Old flint lock,

1245
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: my old flint lock, which I sold on consignment um

1246
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: had a big delay, and maybe it was like there's

1247
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: all kinds of reasons that could be. It could be

1248
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: like I was using like goofy powder. I didn't have whatever,

1249
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: because in a flint lock, when you prime, the priming

1250
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: powder is a finer grain than the actual charge powder.

1251
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: I could have been screwing all manner of things up

1252
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: with my old flint lock, where I wouldn't have a delay.

1253
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: It would be like, right, my new one is because

1254
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: something about it Petter solely, Yeah, it's good. It said

1255
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: the configuration of the everything that when it goes right,

1256
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: it's very fast. It could have a lot to do

1257
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: with the touch hole. You might have might have had

1258
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: a smaller touch hole, were you, Yeah, if you weren't

1259
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: using four F powder too, it's like if you're using

1260
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: three like we talked about because Steve and I had

1261
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: a powder incident while hunting powder out, yeah, where we

1262
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: had to use some charge powder in our pants and

1263
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: I've I've never actually done it, but I always was

1264
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: told if you need to do that, it's going to

1265
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: be a little bit slower because that amber has to

1266
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 1: go down and it's smolders for a couple of seconds.

1267
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: With that bigger grain of powder, just just like you've

1268
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: taken kindling for a fire and trying to light heavy

1269
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: too heavy, like i've kindling or tinder tinder. Well, the

1270
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: reason I think that that might I don't know. I

1271
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,759
Speaker 1: don't think that's why I had that delay is because

1272
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: I remember not realizing they were there was such things

1273
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: as priming powder, and have a hell of a time

1274
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: getting that thing to go off, and then got actual

1275
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: priming powder and got to work way better. But I

1276
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: think I want to establish so in that Sun four

1277
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: they start the flintlock season. No other state had a

1278
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: flintlock season. Don't why? Um was it? Because you guys

1279
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: had a lot of like period like buck skinners, like

1280
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: re enactor community in Pennsylvania. From what everything we can

1281
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: understand what started that. Pennsylvania is a big history with

1282
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania long rifle. And everyone always says like the

1283
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: Kentucky rifle, but you know long rifles started in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.

1284
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: UM German gun smith's took the really high precision rifles

1285
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: of from German and Swiss gunsmith's and southeastern Pennsylvania has

1286
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: tons of German heritage people moving here and settling. So

1287
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: those gunsmiths brought that really good craftsmanship and mixed it

1288
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,959
Speaker 1: with the English style like Brown Bess long long rifles.

1289
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: Um made him super precise and then put rifling in

1290
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: him to twist and stabilize that patch and ball. Um.

1291
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: So with that, like even if you go to build

1292
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: a flint lock today and you order a stock a

1293
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: lot of and I just did it before he came,

1294
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: just to see how often. But a lot of the

1295
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: stocks are Pennsylvania counties, like the Lancaster style stock, the

1296
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: York style stock Burkes Bethlehem, which is a town, not

1297
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: a county. But there's so much um history and heritage

1298
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: with flint locks in the Pennsylvania long right like during

1299
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 1: that early to mid guns were flowing out of Pennsylvania.

1300
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: I think it was seventeen nineteen. Oh Man Merlin was

1301
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: his name, Seth. He's like the gunsmith that's like most

1302
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: like mostly noted for putting rifling and making the flint lock.

1303
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: It was like okay, and then up into the semi

1304
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: part there is another gun smith that that had a

1305
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: lot of oh Man like crap man what do you

1306
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,759
Speaker 1: call it, like craftsmen underneath him. And really they started

1307
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: manufacturing on a larger scale. I can't say a large

1308
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: scale like we think of today, but larger scale Pennsylvania

1309
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: long rifles UM, and then gunsmiths from that took that

1310
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: technology down in Virginia, Kentucky, which is where a lot

1311
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: of people say Kentucky long rifle, but a lot it

1312
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: all stammed out of Pennsylvania. So with that, like I

1313
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: grew up with, there's muzzleloader clubs and seth uh, there's

1314
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: one up here, right, didn't you say there's one? I'm

1315
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: not sure about. My one scout master was really in

1316
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: the flintlocks. He would not use the center fire rifle

1317
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: unless he absolutely needed to shoot a deer and he

1318
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: wanted to shoot a deer that year. Um. My dad

1319
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 1: was really into it. He just loved flintlock hunting. Like

1320
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: I said, he killed more deer um with his flintlock

1321
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: than he did his center fire rifle. UM. And a

1322
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: lot of that came down to time to hunt. Because

1323
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: of the Sunday hunting thing. He would be off around

1324
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: the holidays and the season is after Christmas, UM usually

1325
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 1: for two weeks. We did have more time. That was

1326
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: a factor. Um. But with that, I just grew up

1327
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: going to a lot of muzzleloader shoots, and there's clubs

1328
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,560
Speaker 1: around here. And from what I could tell from that

1329
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: history is there was a Pennsylvania Federation black powdered shooters.

1330
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: I think I'm saying that right, and they were pushing

1331
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: because the archery hunters now had their season, their piece

1332
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: of the pie, and they started pushing then in there,

1333
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, early seventies for that to be there to

1334
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: be a designated muzzleoader season. And it's written still in

1335
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 1: a lot it's a flint law ignition only. It cannot

1336
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: be anything more modern than flint law ignition. We do

1337
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: have an early season in October or Pennsylvania does um

1338
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: uh that you can use modern inlines now, but the

1339
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: post Christmas late season is flint law ignition only, and

1340
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 1: that early season is dough only. Can't you can't shoot

1341
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: the antler? Uh? The first problem I ran into hunting

1342
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: my first Pennsylvania flintlock season was not one I anticipated.

1343
01:14:54,720 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: The these guns have what's called a that trigger. They're

1344
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: a Hawking style hawk like is that the model? So

1345
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: Hawking styles from what I can read, and I'm not

1346
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: an expert on any of this, so, but like my

1347
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 1: gun is more is a more aft traditional Pennsylvania Kentucky

1348
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: long rifle style. It's a little shorter just because it's modern. Um.

1349
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: The Hawking style came later when they started doing um

1350
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: because a lot of Pensilian long rifles were thirty six

1351
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: to forty five caliber, and then when fifty caliber became

1352
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: a big thing in modern rifle flintlocks. Um Hawking was

1353
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 1: a manufacturer and of a style too. They cut the

1354
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: stock back, shorter barrels, but it usually a lot heavier.

1355
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: Like you guys can notice my rifles more slim lying

1356
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: than yours. Yours is a lot heavier, which goes to

1357
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 1: period correct of that firearm from what's that call? Where

1358
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: to hire someone to read while they play with beads?

1359
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: What you stay like? I'm playing palm raider type and

1360
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: playing Yeah, so that's what this is. So you're gonna

1361
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 1: hear the cock. It it's on. It's on, half cock

1362
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: right now, longer go all the way for it. Okay,

1363
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:23,440
Speaker 1: here's half cock, satisfying closing the frizen. No, I am

1364
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: what do you say activating? I was just saying setting

1365
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: the trigger, so okay at this point, now I'm gonna

1366
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: full cock, Okay, I love those sounds. Now, if I

1367
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: were to pull the this thing has two triggers in

1368
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,759
Speaker 1: the trigger guard. If I were to pull the front trigger,

1369
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: I would have to give it a mighty tuggins to

1370
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: go off. It's heavy, a lot of tension in there,

1371
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: heavy heavy thing, a lot of slop that noise, that

1372
01:16:55,800 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: slop no when I do us there's a big hook

1373
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:06,560
Speaker 1: shape set trigger which I'm not going to activate the

1374
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: rear trigger. That's craftsmanship. Now, if I so much just

1375
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: look at that front trigger, she might go off. It's

1376
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: probably like mmit, it is scared as sh I mean, still,

1377
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: it's gotta be what like a like a two pound pull.

1378
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: I think that's one that's under two pounds for sure.

1379
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: That's that's around one pound. Now, I had my c

1380
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: Z twenty two trigger done and polished, and I have

1381
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: that problem now and then where I'm just drawn a

1382
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: bead out of squirrel and it would go off prematurely.

1383
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: This is a little more scary than when they go off.

1384
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: So and here's why. Here's the problem with the stupid thing,

1385
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: not not stupid, not in stupid, is that you're fiddling

1386
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: around in there. Mm hmm. So here you are, here

1387
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: comes here. You see a bunch of deer come charging

1388
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: through the brush, and you see antlers, and the rule

1389
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: here is it has to have three on one side.

1390
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: And you see that. It's a nice clean eight way

1391
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: legal okay, And your normal thing is just to shoot.

1392
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 1: But now I gotta be like, Okay, I got a

1393
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: lot of little things I need to do in short order.

1394
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: I need to go like this, I need to go,

1395
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: and then I need to like all all these things

1396
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: coming at me. So I do all that, and then

1397
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like swooping in on him. He hits

1398
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 1: the brakes and I'm coming in on him, passing from

1399
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: left to right, yep, to eventually settle up and draw

1400
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 1: a bead on the white of his brisket because he's

1401
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: like handshaking, don't yeah, yeah, He's on top of you,

1402
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: and I'm looking around. I've activated my set trigger and

1403
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: my fingers kind of hunting around for the other trigger

1404
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: to make sure I'm in the right spot off to

1405
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: the side of his head, like way off to the side.

1406
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: I felt bad walking up And that was my opportunity. Yeah,

1407
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: that was that was the only opportunity he had at

1408
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: a buck. And that was your first day if Seth

1409
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 1: was a good host and guide, yeah, tell yeah what

1410
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: he would have done. He would have known that that

1411
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: was a great opportunity, a great drive. We would have

1412
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: gone and two shitty drives. Yeah he got seasoned. Yeah. See,

1413
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: I thought I was being a good host, seasoned and

1414
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: got more accustomed to the equipment. He was putting it

1415
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: in the premo spot on the best drive possible to

1416
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: just get it down, at which point we became seasoned

1417
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 1: and accustomed to the equipment. He would then have said,

1418
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: now I got a drive for you, But instead we

1419
01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: no sooner like walk out the door and here I

1420
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: am shooting straight straight around out of my I felt

1421
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: bad too, because I felt like I jinxed you a

1422
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: little bit because before we were sighting in the muzzleloaders.

1423
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: I even said, as joking, I was like Steve. There

1424
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: was so many times when I was younger and I

1425
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: got my my Petter Soul shoot in the dirt in front.

1426
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: Because I grew up. The rifle I got when I

1427
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: was twelve was a single trigger. It's just a Lineman muzzleloaders,

1428
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: so I was used to that, and then somewhere in

1429
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 1: my mid teens, I got my Petter solely with the

1430
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: set trigger, and I shot the ground in front of

1431
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: so many dough because I would. I would get super

1432
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: excited I hit that set trigger and as I'm bringing

1433
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: the rifle up to draw bead like you were, I

1434
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't even feel it, but my finger would get too

1435
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: close to that and I'd shoot right in the dirt.

1436
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: It didn't even occur. Like we talked all about all

1437
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: the hang fires and this and dance and all that,

1438
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: it didn't occur to me till I was leaning on

1439
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: my stone and I'm sitting here looking at this thing,

1440
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, like, at what point am I gonna

1441
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: do all this stuff? Mm hm oh yeah. I mean

1442
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: like like when I see the whites of their eyes,

1443
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set my set trigger. And I was like

1444
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: sitting here kind of like obsessing about it a little bit,

1445
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: like what was my sequence? Like how is that going

1446
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: to sequence it out? And he thought it all way

1447
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: through and here's my buck. I don't I don't touch

1448
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: my set trigger now until I'm on the in and

1449
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: around the vitals. Seth lifts up, aims, set trigger pull. Yeah, yeah,

1450
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: and you you do that after some mistakes. Unless Seth

1451
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 1: never made that mistake, but I definitely did a bunch

1452
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: of times. My other um mishap was, uh, we went

1453
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: to a spot and Seth had a good little drive

1454
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: planned out, and I think it was Yeah, you and

1455
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: me climbed into. We got into they're gonna push a

1456
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: whole hollow and we're posting that. We're posting. Let's cover

1457
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: off on that real quick. Because I grew up, Yep,

1458
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: you do a deer drive and on this deer drive

1459
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: you have pushers and sitters. Oh you called him pushers

1460
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: to push the man pushers and sitters, And I grew

1461
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: up saying drivers and posters and I don't know. The

1462
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: posters are what you hand Yeah, no post that you.

1463
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but that's just what everyone I knew.

1464
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: Because you're driving the guys walking or driving the deer

1465
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: towards the guys who are standing a post. So when

1466
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: you're dropped off, you stand right there. You stand that

1467
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 1: post until the drive's done. And that's why you're a poster.

1468
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: And Seth calls him chasers and watchers. Chasers and watchers. Yeah,

1469
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: like the side hill behind camp here, we would I

1470
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: would say, we're gonna chase that side hill. Sure, push

1471
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: it out. Sure, So Rick and I go in and

1472
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: we're the sitters and the pushers are gonna push a

1473
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 1: whole hollow. And it's a long They got a long

1474
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: way to go. It's a big hollow. So we sneak

1475
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: in there and it's what you guys call game lands.

1476
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: Its own by the Pennsylvania Game Commission, and they I

1477
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: was surprised. See they do some food plots. Oh yeah,

1478
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: I remember that one truck to pass us and I

1479
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: said it was a food and cover crew. They they

1480
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: every every region has food and cover crews and they

1481
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: all have state game lands they work on and they

1482
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: maintain food plots. Um, they do the stocking of pheasants,

1483
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 1: and they'll do if they have a lot of time,

1484
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: they'll do a lot of t s I timber stand

1485
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: improvement that they do a lot of active management. They

1486
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: do a phenomenal job. They do amazing real active management. Yeah. Well,

1487
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: I was just we were walking alone all somewhere, like

1488
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: staying in the turnip field. The deer been digging all

1489
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 1: the snow out. So we snuck down in there and

1490
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 1: got in our spot and we sat there a little

1491
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: while in low and behold, I see that a deer

1492
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: is out feeding and has gotten about its bed in

1493
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: his feet. And I wanted to call off the drive

1494
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 1: because it's coming my way anyway, a little fawn not spotting.

1495
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 1: So I wasn't gonna violate that UH. I would have

1496
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: been in violation of the uh fakes on the second page.

1497
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 1: I would have been in violation of the seventy three

1498
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: prohibition on killing spotted. And it's coming my way, and

1499
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting, licking my lips, you know. But eventually

1500
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: I see Seth coming and the it had been a

1501
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: wet day, extremely big wet snow all stuck up in

1502
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 1: the trees and all that wet snow dripping. Everything was wet,

1503
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: and this fawn is already enraged. But I can't get

1504
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: a clean shot. But let's see Seth and bound on

1505
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 1: my way a little bit and stops like very close.

1506
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 1: And this time I'm like, you know, I'm gonna shoot

1507
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 1: the top it's heart off the way. I'm aimed up

1508
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: on it because any adrenaline over shooting the fawn has abated.

1509
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: Because I've been standing there for twenty minutes. I think

1510
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna get a shot at it. And I

1511
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: draw a good south beat on it in click, nothing

1512
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: but spark, just spark, no flash in the pan. And

1513
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 1: I had allowed my when I opened the frizzen up

1514
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: it was like putting in there. I had allowed my

1515
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: thing just to get soaked. She isn't conducive to black powder. No,

1516
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: And I observed it, Chris, I observed it, Chris Ridge Pounder,

1517
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:57,799
Speaker 1: Chris that one could at this in this moment say, uh,

1518
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: it just goes to show the struggles they put up

1519
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: with in times of your But I was like, it's

1520
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: more like it just goes to show the thing the

1521
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: mistakes they probably didn't make. Yeah, in times of your yep,

1522
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: like they would have been. Man, wet day like this,

1523
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: everything dripping all the time, sitting here, probably be a

1524
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 1: good time to scrape that junk out of there and

1525
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 1: put some dry powder in and do whatever it takes

1526
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 1: to It just didn't occur to me. And I had

1527
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 1: done a bunch of times, man so checked it. Then

1528
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 1: I just like got bored of checking it or whatever.

1529
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 1: It's funny like that dear like if he could tell stories, uh,

1530
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: he'd be like And I looked up near he was

1531
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: burned down at me and he hit the trigger and

1532
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 1: just and here I am tell the story. I forgot

1533
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 1: to keep his powder drack. That fun to be like

1534
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: moral of that story, keep your powder. How hot of

1535
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 1: a commodity was powder? So that like would they're back

1536
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: in the times of yore? Would they often discard it? Oh? Sure?

1537
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: Or was it like one of those things like well, no,

1538
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: I know people they would dry it back out again,

1539
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 1: and they would make it from scratch and wet and

1540
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: wet it with their own piss. But to dry it

1541
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: down I don't know, Like I probably just depends so

1542
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: much like if you if you're on a long hunt

1543
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: and commodities were scarce, I could picture that maybe you'd

1544
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 1: foul up it and you'd put it in a little

1545
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 1: place no one that you're gonna try to rejuvenate it later,

1546
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: and you can try it out, put it back to

1547
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 1: use again. Don't dry it out with the lighter. Somebody

1548
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: had that bright idea, Hey, why don't you just put

1549
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: a torch to it? Oh yeah, with a lighter in there.

1550
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: Stevie said about like the mistakes they didn't make. Uh,

1551
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: that's one thing. Add you know, when you see old

1552
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: paintings of mountain men, and any kind of frontiers. And

1553
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: he's always creating his rifle. You don't have it slung,

1554
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 1: but there's slings on him, you know what. I know, man,

1555
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: And I thought a lot about that, and I never

1556
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: put much mind to it. But cradling it in the

1557
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: crook your arm. Yeah, that's why I hardly ever because

1558
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: my dad never let me. He'd never even let me

1559
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: have a sling on my rifle until I was older,

1560
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: because he's like that lock, you protect that thing. He

1561
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: would keep it tucked, not in your armpit because I'm moisture,

1562
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 1: but just up under like keep keep that arm like

1563
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 1: a wing over that thing. And then when you're holding it,

1564
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 1: when you're holding it vertically, everything's running up and down it. Yeah,

1565
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: water will run down the barrel. Like I said, we

1566
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: used to take on really rainy days which didn't have it,

1567
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 1: and it didn't do that one day we probably should

1568
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: have done that, but take vaseline and we put vasoline

1569
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 1: in front of the lock, in front of the frizzen,

1570
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 1: so if any bead of water was running down the barrel,

1571
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: it hit that vasoline and shoot off to the side

1572
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 1: instead of going down continuing into where on the barrel

1573
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: where your touch hole is. But like that's one thing.

1574
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: How maybe your powder got wet walking into that stand. Well,

1575
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: I had a slung all the time and it was wetter,

1576
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: and hell yeah. The funny thing about that day, it

1577
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 1: was a real wet day. Oh yeah. And at the

1578
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,600
Speaker 1: end of that day I had already had a misfire.

1579
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: I reprimed, I I cleaned, took a needle and cleaned

1580
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: out the touch hole, reprimed and had a vicious hang fire,

1581
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: which people will find in the main feed at Stephen

1582
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:33,719
Speaker 1: Ronella on Instagram. They will find that video dirts dirts

1583
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: hanging fire. Uh. And then the other guns didn't go

1584
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 1: off either. No, And it took quite a do one

1585
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: to get up. Man, it was a wet old day

1586
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 1: because in the next day everybody's gonna work. Yeah, damn

1587
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: Dale hunt, you gotta stop. And you started putting the powder,

1588
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 1: the primer powder in when you sit down. You went

1589
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: to hike with the primer powder, started knocking it out

1590
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 1: of there and then filling it up with sap. But

1591
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: it was just like ridiculously wet. I mean, it was

1592
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: the kind of wet that would been on comfortable even

1593
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: regular hunting, because you just get all that wet water

1594
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 1: and snow down your facing that all time, I felt

1595
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 1: extremely humid compared to Montana, which seth and I grew

1596
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: up here and now coming back, I can't believe how

1597
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: humid it feels. But Monday was particularly bad. I was

1598
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 1: thinking too that I don't really know that um as

1599
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: a neophyte flint lock hunter such as myself, like I

1600
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: would probably be more effective just with my boat. That's

1601
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: not as fun though, No, but no, it's fun to

1602
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 1: go through experience what I'm saying, Like if you're just

1603
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: like a dabbler who's not even gonna spend like a

1604
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 1: week practicing, but just like shoot a few times and

1605
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 1: be like I'm ready to go, Like you don't if

1606
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 1: you're like if you shoot, if you shoot ar tree

1607
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 1: a lot, you don't see better just bringing a damn boat,

1608
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna go off. That's one thing. Your effective range

1609
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: might be a little men that a little less, but

1610
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: you like at least you know what you're doing. Yeah,

1611
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: but your dad was pointing that out. Flintlock season, no

1612
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:13,799
Speaker 1: people out, No one's out. Didn't see any other hunters.

1613
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: Even when we went and hunted, we saw one dude.

1614
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't see him, but a suspicious figure. Yeah,

1615
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Did you see him? No? I

1616
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: never saw Yeah, and he just he was in his

1617
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: truck and as we went down the trail, I think

1618
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 1: he got out and it was kinding to the left

1619
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:39,759
Speaker 1: of us. We didn't see him with anything because been trappling.

1620
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 1: But Pennsylvania has a ton of hunters, right what's the

1621
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: the I don't know if that's true right now, but

1622
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: they've kind of always had the highest hunter like hunter

1623
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 1: per capita. They had the highest number of hunters, like

1624
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: twenty point something hunters per square mile. Two thousand thirteen,

1625
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: they had twenty and a half hunters per square mile.

1626
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Highest hunter density in the US five and nineteen. Five

1627
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty eight was just rounded up, uh, five

1628
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty nine thousand adult resident hunters. And that

1629
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: figure wouldn't even have caught the three of us because

1630
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: we're non residents. Yeah. Yeah, we are more down from

1631
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 1: a million. I think in the early eighties it was

1632
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: like a million. That's crazy. A lot of hunters, um.

1633
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 1: I do like the flint lock hunting though, man, Yeah,

1634
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 1: what was your honest like opinion? I know we had

1635
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: a lot of things go wrong. Okay, I go places

1636
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: and one or two things happens. Either go and be like, dude,

1637
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 1: I want to do that again, or I go like

1638
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: that's cool. Um they had that real like like to

1639
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: do that again feeling. Let me ask you this, if so,

1640
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: Montana doesn't have any kind of dedicated muzzleloader season or

1641
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: anything like that, but we have weapons restricted areas. Would

1642
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 1: you if you were going to go on a dough

1643
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: hunt or something in that weapon restricted would you take

1644
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 1: that flinlocker? Would you be like, I'm just gonna take

1645
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 1: my bow. I'm never touching that thing again. Well, in

1646
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: keeping with my general philosophy, I would bring my regular

1647
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 1: muzzle loadera enough my general philosophy of generally speaking, I'm

1648
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna use whatever like things like whatever the

1649
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:42,759
Speaker 1: rules are, like the thing that's like generally most effective

1650
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: for the rules. So like when it's archery season, I

1651
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 1: use like a compound bowl with pins and a mechanical release,

1652
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: right like I don't I'm not out there with a recurve. Uh.

1653
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: When I when it's general firearms season, I use a

1654
01:33:56,520 --> 01:34:01,879
Speaker 1: like a center fire rifle with a good vortex scope

1655
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: on it. I carry a laser range finder, right like

1656
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:10,799
Speaker 1: I generally am um, generally am like goos and things

1657
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: in my favor. Yeah, understandable. I used to set double

1658
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 1: long springs for beavers and I discovered the MB seven,

1659
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 1: so uh yeah, So I feel like, but what I

1660
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: did when I was having a weird fan of a

1661
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: weird mind movie about I don't know why was it

1662
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 1: if I went hound, if I went chasing lions with

1663
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: a body mine, I was like, I should bring this

1664
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 1: thing out when you shoot the lion out of the tree.

1665
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 1: But then I was like the kind of person brings

1666
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: a flint lock out shoot a lion up tree? Because

1667
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 1: houndsmen don't like the fetishize the shooting of the line.

1668
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,560
Speaker 1: They don't like to make a thing out of it.

1669
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of get it down like a lot of

1670
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: it makes them uncomfortable to even use a bow because

1671
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: they're like, the point isn't shooting the thing out of

1672
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 1: the tree. That's a formality if we're gonna kill one,

1673
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: Like the point is catching it. So like acting like

1674
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: there's something going on here that's not going on, like

1675
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 1: it's in a tree, Like the hunt's over, we caught it.

1676
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: If you want it, then we're gonna shoot it. But

1677
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: we're not gonna act like like that's not the thing.

1678
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: The thing is that we caught it. So if you said, like,

1679
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: remember my flintlock, you'd probably they're probably a little bit like,

1680
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: let's just bring a gun, go for hunting, go over

1681
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 1: hunting with the flint rock. I'll do something with it.

1682
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: I don't know what. Go for hunt. We should just

1683
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,080
Speaker 1: even if we don't ever helpt with it again in Montana,

1684
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: can just start shooting. No, I will use it. I

1685
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: like it. I'm going to start shooting it. I'm gonna

1686
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 1: start Flintlock Shooters Association. Would you would your your hunter

1687
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 1: dick Son shoot a flintlock? Oh, yeah, because I have

1688
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: a flint lock. I have a percussion cap, black powder pistol.

1689
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 1: Oh he's dying, will shoot that thing. So yeah, I'm

1690
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: gonna have start shooting flint lock for sure. Man. Yeah,

1691
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have them trained up on the foot lock.

1692
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 1: It's easily the coolest gun to take pictures of the film,

1693
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: so much as going on and big sparks and like

1694
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: it unfolds over a long enough period that it's not

1695
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 1: like invisible to the camera, like you can see all

1696
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: the little steps. It's great. It just feels good carrying it.

1697
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's fun going. And I was. I was

1698
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 1: talking to Dirt and he was saying that, like it's

1699
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 1: it's a cool style upon him, like the deer drives

1700
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: because you're like like at one point we're running our

1701
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,600
Speaker 1: assets off, trying to trying to cut deer off, and

1702
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: it's like very active and oh you're not just sitting

1703
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 1: around waiting. You're like very proactive. Yeah, a lot of strategy,

1704
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 1: busting your ass to try to kill my first dear

1705
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 1: to deer drive, did you no, No, No, I feel

1706
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: like I was part of the hunt, actually part of

1707
01:36:53,840 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 1: it this time push pusher, chaser, chaser. It's a camaraderie

1708
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 1: that goes with deer drives too. Yeah, and you can

1709
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: bullshit and stuff. Yeah, afterwards you all meet up and

1710
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 1: tell stories about what happened, what you saw. So there

1711
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 1: I was, and you're looking at a lot of tracks,

1712
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 1: all the animals squirting everywhere. Yeah, we saw a lot

1713
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,879
Speaker 1: of tracks from a lot of different animals. Bob cat, Fisher,

1714
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: else turkey, elk, gray fox, gray squirrel, gray squirrel, weasel.

1715
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 1: Did we figure out what that weasel was mr he

1716
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 1: has had he didn't turn white. But they these guys

1717
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 1: are saying some weasels you don't turn white, yep, which

1718
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 1: I know I didn't. I've never seen the weasel in January.

1719
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:42,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't white. I don't think I've caught him in January.

1720
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 1: But December brown brown. Yeah, there you go. Alright, any

1721
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 1: final thoughts, Rick, I was just thinking of a Sunday

1722
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: hunting flintlock season. We didn't kind of touch on like

1723
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,680
Speaker 1: how those we talked about Sunday hunting and how we

1724
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: couldn't hunt on Sunday, which was our first day here.

1725
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 1: But I think what drove Pennsylvania's flintlock popularity for that

1726
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,640
Speaker 1: season was no Sunday hunting. Because if you Seth and

1727
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: I added it up um at least years ago before

1728
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 1: we moved away. If you only took one vacation day

1729
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 1: and you took off the old original opener which was

1730
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: on Monday for our firearm season, and you bow hunted

1731
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 1: with no hunting on Sunday, you had five Saturdays and

1732
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 1: bow season. That sounds right, Seth, like five Saturdays and

1733
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: bow season, the two Saturdays and rifle and the opening Monday.

1734
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 1: You took off or maybe six it was six, I

1735
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 1: think yeah, because it was nine days, and schools around

1736
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 1: here typically have Monday, some summer Monday and Tuesday you

1737
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 1: get off school for the first two days of the

1738
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: rifle season. But if you only did that, you got

1739
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 1: nine days of deer hunting and then you're done if

1740
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 1: you didn't buy a flintlock and partake in the flintlock season,

1741
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 1: which most I think it worked out. Just a lot

1742
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 1: of hunters were off after Christmas, between Christmas and New

1743
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: Year's already, because yeah, so it was just very conducive

1744
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 1: to getting more opportunity out in the field that you

1745
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 1: picked up a flint lock. And I think that's what

1746
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: really because you're already getting screwed anyway. Yeah, you're getting

1747
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 1: screwed on hung days. So this was another way you

1748
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 1: could try to fill that tag and get out there.

1749
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 1: And it was fun. Like we just talked about the camaraderie. Yeah,

1750
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 1: I just you know, I always thought it was a

1751
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 1: blast going out there with a big crew and sending

1752
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 1: a lot of shots and missing. I did a lot

1753
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 1: of missing when I was younger, that's for sure. But

1754
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it's neat that are you know,

1755
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 1: one aspect of how opportunity was taken away, maybe drove

1756
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 1: enthusiasm for another opportunity that Yeah, South got anything you

1757
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 1: want to add, Concluders, um man, I'm just excited to

1758
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: have everyone here at the family camp Cuboos Hallo camp.

1759
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: A lot of good memories in this place, and it's

1760
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 1: cool to be able to add you guys to the

1761
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: memory bank, you know, hunting out of this place. We

1762
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 1: never took that picture, no, man, we could probably do

1763
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 1: one inside here. There you go, all right, everybody, thank

1764
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 1: you uh for joining and Rick, thanks thanks for sharing. Yeah,

1765
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,600
Speaker 1: I know I felt like I did all out of

1766
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: talking this. Yeah, I feel kind of bad for listening.

1767
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: So man, we covered some ground. Yeah, but thanks to

1768
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 1: you Steve for let me come along on this trip.

1769
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: It was pretty exciting to being back at this camp

1770
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 1: and getting a shoot flint locks again. We'll do it again.

1771
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:35,680
Speaker 1: We'll come out here and catch a fisher. Well, I

1772
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 1: like it trapping in there too, squeeze it in Okay, alright, body,

1773
01:40:41,960 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 1: thanks a lot. St