WEBVTT - Selects: How Pet Psychics Work 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.920 Everybody. I'm throwing back all the way to January. This one, 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:08.200 How Pet Psychics Worked. Boy oh boy, this one was 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.000 not great, But sometimes I like to pick those just 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.200 as a reminder of the peaks and valleys of this 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.200 show over the years. So here we go with How 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.800 Pet Psychics Work. It's really not that bad. You'll probably 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.320 enjoy it. Just give it a listen and then give 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:30.200 us a review on yelp. Three stars. Please. Welcome to 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:39.360 Stuff you Should Know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.120 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w. Chuck. Right, 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:48.479 it's me. I mentioned myself already. Have I mentioned Jerry? Yeah? 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.200 I think so these just keep getting worse and worse. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.680 Not the cheery's over there. We're all in the Christmas spirit. 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:58.280 I think this is the last show we're recording this year, right, Yeah, 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:00.440 we're ahead of the game a little bit. Yea, So 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.000 we can have a cooshy couple of weeks. So, um, 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:08.880 we're hammered. Not true, No, not yet. You got your 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:14.120 coffee and I got my uh soda water laqua loquis 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.440 soda water. Yeah, my coffee is neither Spanish nor Irish. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.880 Nor anything like that. What a Spanish coffee. Oh, it's 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.319 the better of the two. What is it? Um? You 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.880 get a little well, it depends on your on your recipe, 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.760 but you get a little bit of rum. You get 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:34.120 a little bit of triple sec or I can't remember 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.440 the other name for it, um, but good triple sec. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.960 Put them together in a like a tempered sniff ter 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.120 or an Irish coffee class fire tempered. Make sure it's 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.920 tempered or else you're about to hurt yourself. Bust on't 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.080 you light it? Um? You light the it's got to 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.440 be high proof from you like the rum uh triple 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.480 sec combo. Just let it burn out for a second, 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:00.120 or you could blow it up if you don't want 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.600 to burn off too much of the alcohol. And you 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.920 had some espresso, some kalua, and then top it off 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.200 with a little whip cream and nut. Mike, man, it's 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.200 good stuff. And that's just one version. There's plenty of 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:16.640 other versions of Spanish coffee that makes Irish coffee look silly. 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.840 They're just like I don't put down Irish coffee, coffee 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.639 and drinking pretty much. It's also called the eye opener. Yeah, 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.160 I love the simplicity of the Irish just doing that 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.519 and I love that. Have you seen that country? I 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.119 don't know if it was a new one. Last week 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.800 I started watching The Simpsons again after like years off, 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.640 and it is. It's awesome back man, it is back. 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:39.799 There was one. I don't know if it was new 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:45.040 or not, but Crusty Um syndicated himself around the world 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:47.760 so he could make a lot more money. So there's 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.320 like a Jamaican Crusty. There's like a like all these 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.360 and then the Irish one. It was just like this 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:58.520 depressed alcoholic who would like sit at a at a 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.840 table on a chair and like the spare Room didn't 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.400 even do that really yeah, and like we just drink 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.680 and say like these you know, really bleak depressing things. 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.400 Is perfect and he ended up with his own like 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.800 stage show on Broadway and everything as the Irish Rusty. Yeah. Awesome, 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.120 that's a good one. Have to check that out. Yeah, uh, 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.639 that was my intro to pet psychics. Alright, you know 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.000 that cat sitting over there knew everything. I was about 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.640 to say, Oh yeah, not many people know we have 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.560 a studio. Cat, No, man, I wish we did. How 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.760 awesome would that be? Studio CA. Yeah, it'd be great 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.240 to get game in here, wouldn't I it's already pretty 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:45.120 warm in here as it is. A cat would love that. Yeah, um, alright, 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:51.720 So pet psychics factor fiction? Uh their fiction? Are we 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.680 debunking right out of the thing? Well, you know, I'm 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.200 I am of the forty and ilk alright, Like, I 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:04.360 think that using science as a means of avoiding scientific 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.520 investigation of something is a slap in the face of science, 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.160 and that science should be used to exhaust all avenues. 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.360 And just because we can't currently explain something using science 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.960 doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think that there's a 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.880 whole echelon of stuff out there that does exist that 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.760 we can't quite explain yet. Yeah. Sure, I don't know 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.960 if pet psychics fall into that one, but I'm not 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.039 one to just overtly poo pooh something out of hand. 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.279 That said, I had a hard time like taking this 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:42.480 entire article seriously. Well, you want to know something, Yeah, 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.440 Emily just went to a pet psychic. I I thought 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:50.480 that there's probably like a nine chance that something like 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.800 that was going to come up. Yeah. Uh, you know, 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.440 we had to put Old Lucy down and Emily went 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.880 in the following week. We have a local pet psychic 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:04.640 and I'm there probably is, but um one near our house. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:10.240 And she went and talk to this lady. Was it comforting? 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.559 It was? She said it was really interesting and um, 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.120 there was less talk about Lucy and more talk about 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:21.600 like me and our other animals. And um, she wouldn't 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.280 tell me a whole lot because she didn't want me 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:28.320 to poke fun at it, you know. And I tried 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.480 to be super supportive, and I was, Um, I thought 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.280 every instinct I had two. Uh, You're like, that sounds 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:40.800 like a great neat. How much was it? Um? But Emily, 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:42.120 and she asked me not to say this, so of 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.239 course I'm going to say it. She is getting books 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.680 now herself to read and because she feels like she 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.880 is very intuitive with animals and and she is very 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:57.000 intuitive with animals, and so she's gonna poke around there 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.480 and not to do it for a living or anything, 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:00.960 just do with your own at home, Yeah, just to 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:05.039 see if she can become more in tune with our animals. Uh. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:10.040 And they are called animal intuitives sometimes or communicators, not 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.400 necessarily pet psychics, because that makes you sound a little crazy. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.560 It seems to be like a whole gamut of people 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:20.800 that would fall under the umbrella of pet psychics. Yeah, 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:25.640 like a horse whisper or Caesar Milan. Some people might 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.760 say as an animal communicator that they're just maybe more 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:33.039 in tune with the signals that animals send out, and 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.560 they can send signals to animals. Um, but that I 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.279 fully believe. Okay, So that's totally different from what a 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.800 person who claims to be a pet psychic says is 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.000 going on. Well, yeah, but not always like this lady 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.160 Emily went to was sounded more like an animal intuitive 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:54.799 and communicator than uh, like a medium saying I'm talking 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.560 to Lucy. She's in a better place. She's playing with 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.800 your grandfather in heaven. Right. But there are pet psychics 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.239 that claim to do that, yeah, and charge people money 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.440 for that, Yeah, just like real psychics. Um, all right, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.720 so let's get into it. Well I thought we already had, 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.320 Well I guess we have. Um. I just wanted to 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.440 go ahead and drop that bomb about Emily. Um, I 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.239 think you're in trouble. So pet psychics, now, she didn't listen. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:26.200 They they claim, Depending on who they are, there is 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.920 a spectrum of pet psychics like you said that claim 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:34.080 certain abilities, but some claim that they can actually telepathically 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:39.080 communicate with animals in mind and like one step beyond intuition, 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.840 Like we're actually talking, right, Not only are we talking, 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:47.200 we're transferring images from one mind to another. UM. In 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.200 some cases they are talking like there's a pet psychic 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:56.600 UM who claims that when she speaks to animals, UM, 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.960 they respond to her in a childlike voice. That animals 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:05.360 have childlike voices, they speak like children, they do in 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:10.600 Disney movies, So why not UM? But the basically at 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:17.360 its most supernatural, I guess it's most extrasensory UM, pet psychics. 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.680 What they're claiming to do is a convergence of clairvoyance, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:27.000 which is far sighte UM and telepathy, which is mind reading. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:31.160 And they're putting these together. And then if you already 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.760 have a hard enough time swallowing that, you may have 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:39.040 an even harder time swallowing it when you realize that 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.120 they're saying they're doing this with animals, which may or 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.680 may not even be self aware. Yeah, Like it's tough too. 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.240 It's hard with humans to believe that someone might have 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.400 esp and telepathy and we speak the same language, so 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.000 it might be even a deeper reach to say that 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.280 you can do that with a dog. Let's say so, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.400 kay Emily went to a pet psychic. Um. She went 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:09.120 after Lucy um passed on UM basically to find out 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.840 how Lucy was doing. Yeah. I think she was just 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.040 curious about the She had been curious for a while, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.040 and this afforded her an opportunity to go see a 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.480 pet psychic. I think like it gave her a good reason. Okay, 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.040 so that's one reason people go see pet psychics UM 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.760 after the death of a pet. Another one is when 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:30.760 a pet is sick or injured or ailing. Tell me 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:35.160 if it's time to go. Um, which, man, that's gotta 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.640 be a lot to put on a pet psychic. That's 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.320 a lot to put on a vet, you know, although 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:41.920 I think vets are kind of like, yeah, let's just 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.920 go ahead and do it. No, that's not true. Um. 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.120 And then what if the what if the pet is 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.600 acting like a jerk all of a sudden. Yeah, that's 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.120 another reason people pets. My dog acting out, or maybe 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.880 my pet is lost. Can you tell me where my 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:00.760 pet is? Right? That's a little more of a niche thing. 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.320 Not all pet psychics will take on those cases, my 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.880 guess is because the success rate might not be great 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.720 and they don't want to you know, charge somebody for 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.679 something and not provide the service that they said they can. Yeah, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.000 because I mean, unless you can talk to somebody into 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:21.200 giving up their bread for you just to say, yeah, 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.800 your dog will be home in a couple of weeks, yeah, 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.840 then you know, how are you gonna work that? Yeah, 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.920 you can't. But there are anecdotal success stories of locating 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.280 pets this way. If there weren't, this wouldn't be yeah 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.640 around and a skeptic will say that's just luck and coincidence, 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.200 like the dog was on its way home anyway, exactly, 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.160 This pet psychic didn't called to it with her mind, 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.760 that's right, Uh, psychics. Pet psychics say they UM use 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.760 electromagnetic energy to accomplish this, that there's this energy field 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.559 in the universe that science hasn't quite figured out yet, 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.480 but it exists, and we are able to pick up 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.600 on that energy and use that energy to speak to 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.000 your animals. UM, whether it's a childlike voice or like 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.319 I think most of them generally do it, and like 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.840 in pictures, which makes a little more sense to me. UM. 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:17.200 And this this this thing, this electromagnetic energy. There's this 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:21.000 guy who wrote a book. His name is Jay Alan Boone, 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.440 and he wrote a book called Kinship with All Life 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.440 and it apparently is the pet psychics Bible, and it's 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:31.440 um kind of his relationship with this German shepherd named Strongheart, 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.280 which was a Hollywood dog that he cared for starting 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:40.400 I think the nineteen thirties, um and who he became 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:47.760 uh telepathically linked with intuitively linked to um. And basically, 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.439 Jay Alan Boone wrote this book on how to communicate 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.199 with animals and and it he mentions that all things 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:58.080 are connected by this thing called the primal cause midi 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.840 Chlorean's right, and um, I think that's what the pet 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.680 psychic would say, Well, that's the electromagnetic energy. The point 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.520 is that since it binds all things, we can just 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:14.040 kind of use that too to connect to the mind 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.200 of another thing, human or animal. Right, because we're all 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.480 connected by this, right, It's a lovely thought. Uh. Animal 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.720 Planet actually had a show, yeah, for a little while 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.400 about ten years ago called the Pet Psychic and the 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.360 lady on there, what's her name, Fitzpatrick. Yes, she claimed 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.360 that she picked up this in childhood as a result 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:38.520 of a hearing loss um, although other people say they 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.720 pick it up as adults after studying it and not 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.240 necessarily born with a gift. But they just studied how 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.600 to be more in tune with animals, right, and apparently 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.880 a lot of them discovered that they had this gift 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.920 after they saw the pet psychic on Animal Planet. I 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.120 was that right, That's what Tracy says in this article. Okay, 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.760 I wonder what that sounds like one of those statements 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.760 the cheaty research on that. I don't know she do 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.160 a pole. Well, I think they definitely did kick off 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:08.360 a trend. If it didn't capitalize on it, it definitely 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.960 kicked it off. All right. So you go to your 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.680 pet psychic. You're gonna go into a room and they're 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:18.640 gonna do something like this, Uh, not exactly like this, 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.040 depending on their methods, but they're probably gonna like just 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.360 relax until you to calm down, and they will make 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:29.000 contact with the energy of the animal and then they 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:34.679 will actually try and contact the said animal telepathically, right, 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.240 like ask a question of the animal, or they'll they'll 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:39.559 they'll call its name or something and get its attention 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.560 to yeah, or have a picture a lot of times, like, 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:44.839 you don't need the animal there necessarily. In fact, a 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:46.360 lot of times I think the animal is not there 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.480 because why do you need the animal? Now you don't. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:54.720 You've got the great cause, the primal cause exactly. So 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.040 they go like this with their mind. If they do, 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.960 and then they well, except whatever response they get, relay 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.000 that back to you, ask you some more questions or 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.240 if you have any more questions, and basically act as 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.640 the go between between you communicating with your pet. Like 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:14.760 just like you would think it goes down, your pet 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.160 is saying that there. Uh, they're not happy with the 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.920 new couch and that's why they're being on it or 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:27.800 ever since you uh took that promotion into middle management, 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.400 you've changed man. Yeah, and I'm not happy with this 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:38.560 new you. That's why I keep chewing your suits exactly. Um, 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.280 they are going to Uh. It's it's pretty controversial, as 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.320 we pointed out, because there isn't any hard science behind it. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.560 There's no proof of this electromagnetic energy, and a lot 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.360 of people believe in energy. I mean, electromagnetic energy does exist, yeah, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.960 not this kind of magnetic Yeah. I just fun to 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.400 make sure everyone knew that we believe in electro magnetic 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.480 but they haven't picked up they haven't proven that there's 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.480 any actual like sensory organ in people or animals that 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.760 allow them to tune into this energy. Does that make 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:33.040 more sense? Yeah, so so during these pet psychic sessions 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.360 when the when the the purpose of this normally is 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.280 to get to the bottom of a problem, say like 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:44.000 we said, or to get some sort of comfort, or 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:49.640 even for decision making. Um. The problem is when a 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:54.040 pet psychic asks an animal what's going on and the 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:59.080 animals thought to respond, well, this, I'm doing this because 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:04.320 of this. So beyond the telepathy, beyond the clairvoyance involved, 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.520 there's still the question of whether an animal is capable 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.960 of that higher level of reasoning and thought. Yeah, right, 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.080 that it would be aware of its own reasons for 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.640 its behavior. That in and of itself is a controversial 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:24.760 aspect of this whole topic. Yeah, that's self awareness. Like, Um, 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.920 a lot of animal intuitives believe that animals are basically 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.160 kind of like people. They just can't talk, they experience 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.480 the emotions there, they're self aware, um, and they're just 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:40.120 not trapped, but they're in an animal's body. Um. And 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.440 when you look at your pets. You may think they're 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.840 experiencing emotions, and it's a controversial subject because it's not 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:51.560 something you can prove. Well, it's been it's become more 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.480 and more proven over the years. Yeah, Like nowadays it 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.960 is accepted that animals can feel certain emotions. Yeah, especially 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:05.200 the basic ones like yeah, like stress, fear, fear, upsettedness. Yeah, um, 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:11.399 rage I think is one um lust, separation, distress. But 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.440 it's hard to define emotion period, much less than in 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.320 an animal. Right. But the the idea that um emotions 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:22.040 just belong to humans or even humans and higher primates 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.600 is is definitely faded. Um. We are aware that animals 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.840 can't experience basic emotions. They can probably experience even higher 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.159 emotions too. Like if you look at a dog and 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.600 your dog looks sad and it's sad because you're leaving, 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.600 you may be correct. You know your dog pretty well. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.280 And we've reached the point where science is starting to 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.480 come to grips with the idea that yes, animals can 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.760 experience some higher emotions as well. Sure, And there was 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.919 actually a conference at Cambridge University in two thousand twelve, 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:58.240 and uh it was a pretty heavy hitting conference. Um, 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.199 like I mean, the people involved were no louches, and 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:05.280 they came up with the Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness and 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:10.520 they basically said that, um, the the components that you 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:17.000 need to experience emotions and consciousness are not relegated to 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.440 the cortex, meaning it's not just humans that have that 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:25.840 are capable. They have the hardware for experiencing consciousness, right. Um. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:31.480 They also said that if you artificially stimulate um uh, 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:36.800 the neural circuits that are responsible for different aspects of 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.119 consciousness and humans, you can stimulate the same things in 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:44.120 animals too, which suggests that they have the same equipment. Um, 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:48.040 you can also disrupt those circuits using hallucinogens and humans 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.720 and animals and since they have all the equipment all 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.360 the science point to, said this group of neuroscientists and 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:59.960 um other professionals. They said, there is a pretty good chain. 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.520 It's that it's not just humans who are experiencing consciousness. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:07.520 The things that the trappings of consciousness, like higher emotions, 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.640 self awareness, the things that make us human. Animals might 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.880 have that make them animals. But the people who think 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:21.480 that if your dog is sad, you're probably right, are right. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:25.080 Dog likes you around and it might be happy when 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.560 you're home, yeah, and sad when you leave. And the 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.679 whole reason that this has been a thing is simply 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.840 because humans haven't been able to figure out how to 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:37.560 accurately test what is an emotion in an an animal. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.880 Because animals can't say I'm feeling like this right now. 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.880 We can be like, that's love. You're feeling love. Yeah, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.000 like when a mother cares for puppies, it's showing it 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:52.160 looks like it's showing love. Or is it oxytocin hormone 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.320 in the body that says you need to care for 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:58.280 your young Is it love or care? Or does animal 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.960 realize it's it's love or care? Well, that's the big one, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.639 because you can say we have that same exact neural 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.640 circuit and we react to oxytocin the exact same way. 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.920 So you know, if it's love for us, why isn't 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.800 it love for the animal? Well, the key is is 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.439 we think about it. We're thinking, I feel so good 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.600 about taking care of my baby. That means I love 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.800 my baby. That makes me even happier. That's called metic cognition. 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.480 That's where most people are drawing the line with animals 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.800 these days. They might be able to experience some pretty 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:37.239 high um emotions. They may be self aware, but the 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:41.399 ability to think about their emotions and the implications of 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.760 their emotions or think about thinking, that's metic cognition. And 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.600 not everybody agrees on that one. That's the new threshold 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.480 that we're at. It seems like for animals, whether or 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.120 not they're capable of metic cognition. So if an animal 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:56.640 sees itself in the mirror, knowses itself, is that self awareness, Yeah, 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:00.439 which would be a form of metic cognition, But that's 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.200 that's not proven. That's where a lot of people. You'll 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.040 lose a lot of people now, whereas ten years ago, 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.440 even saying that an animal could experience happiness or joy 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.440 um would have lost a lot of people. So who knows. 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:15.399 In ten years from now, maybe everyone will agree that 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:19.600 animals experienced madiccognition. Yeah, grief is definitely one I've seen 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:21.920 firsthand a lot. Yeah, we talked about it in the 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.840 Grief episode. Yeah. Um, And when we put Lucy down, 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.800 they recommend that we did in our house, they recommend 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.960 that the pet not see that act, but then they 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.679 come in afterward so they see the body and so 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:38.080 they can understand what's going on, and so they don't 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.400 spend time looking for that animal. And uh, we did 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.880 that with Buckley and Charlie and let them back in, 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.399 and uh, Charlie was stressed. We didn't think about it. 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.000 She was a feral dogs, so she gets stressed when 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.359 other people are in the house. So we forgot this 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.480 vet lady was in there. So Charlie's just stressed running around. 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.960 Buckley goes up Sniff's Lucy and it was really sad, 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.600 I'm sure. And he was different for about four or 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:06.280 five days, seem depressed to me. And when we would 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:07.920 take him on walks and come back, he would still 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:10.600 run around to all the rooms, I think looking for 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.800 Lucy because he never had done that before. He usually 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:15.960 just walks in and lays down, but he literally would 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.520 go to each room. Um. So I definitely think there's 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.040 there are things like grief, whether or not the dog 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:26.199 realizes it's grief, Like who cares? You know, That's what 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.879 I think. Yeah, I mean, it's still experiencing on that 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.680 virtually the same level, right, Yeah, and at its most 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:37.280 profound level, that gut experience of grief. Yeah, And I 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:42.919 think the whole the fine line here with investigating or 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.200 talking about whether or not animals can experience these things. 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.199 Is you're walking this edge where on one side you 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:53.240 have anthropocentrism, where you're just like, no, they can't, only 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:57.440 humans can. Humans are the greatest ever, and you're forgetting 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.919 that we're animals as well. Then the other side you 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:04.240 have anthropomorphizing, where you're attributing you know, human attributes to 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.720 animals unduly. So it's kind of like you have to 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.359 so happy because we're putting up the Christmas tree exactly. 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.160 Buckley is happy because we're in there having a good 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.240 time and drinking some magnag and like the music so 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.040 onward dancing right exactly. So you have to resist both 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:22.320 of those temptations to just kind of keep plodding along 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:26.399 down the line scientifically. But I think ultimately, as we 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.159 go down that line, we're going to finally come to 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:32.840 as a species, hopefully the idea that like, animals should 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.639 not be in zoos or tested on or whatever, because 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:41.000 they are a lot closer to us consciousness wise than 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:45.520 we currently understand or want to admit right now. Agreed. Um, 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:47.479 All right, well we're gonna talk a little bit about 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:52.080 pet psychics and like contradictions between them, UM, and what 0:23:52.320 --> 0:24:11.840 might be going on here right after this message break. Okay, 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:14.480 so there are some contradictions. UM. If you go to 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.280 tin pet psychics who are probably gonna have ten different, 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:21.680 eleven opinions, eleven different stories about what's going on, which 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.320 is one reason it makes it hard to swallow for 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:27.840 some people. UM. Again, I feel like since we went 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:29.960 to break and came back, it's this is a good 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:34.919 time to read it. Write like I'm not I'm not 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:38.879 poo pooing intuitiveness, No, I'm not poo pooing UM. And 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:43.960 some people's ability a greater ability than others to really 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.320 kind of connect to animals and and and understand them 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.760 or um deal with them however you want to put it. 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:55.879 It's when it strays into telepathy and clairvoyance that UM, 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.640