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Speaker 1: Everybody, welcome to between the Horns on Miles Simmons. To

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Speaker 1: my right is DeMarco far It is just about eleven fifteen,

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Speaker 1: eight am. Yeah, Tuesday, August twenty relate because of you,

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Speaker 1: we're late. Yeah, well I was supposed to start at

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Speaker 1: eleven eleven fifteen. We're officially late. Because he said it,

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Speaker 1: It's all right, it's fine. It's a podcast. Nobody, nobody

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Speaker 1: would have known. That's all right to call it out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know what, we're so close to getting to

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Speaker 1: the regular season. Yeah, real football. But we still have

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Speaker 1: one more preseason week to go. But let's go back first,

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Speaker 1: because the Rams did get another preseason win, for however

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Speaker 1: much that's worth, twenty one twenty over the Houston Texans

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. The biggest thing from that to me is

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Speaker 1: that we saw the first team defense. Yeah, and there

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Speaker 1: was only seven plays, but I think that we saw

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Speaker 1: enough to say, all right, they're ready. It was just

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Speaker 1: nice to see him in uniform altogether for the most part.

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Speaker 1: And then you can imagine, if you will, sliding Aaron

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Speaker 1: Donald into one of those spots. But I mean seeing

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Speaker 1: Sue go live and he is as strong as advertised.

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Speaker 1: Michael Brockers, Like you said, I think was it you

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Speaker 1: that mentioned it. We hadn't seen him since the playoff game. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: seeing him back out there in uniform, it kind of

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Speaker 1: caught me off guard. You're right, this is the first

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Speaker 1: time I've seen him play since the playoff game. And

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Speaker 1: he looks like vintage Michael Brocker's big, strong and aggressive.

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Speaker 1: So and then on the outside Peters and to leave

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Speaker 1: and then LaMarcus Joiner and you know John John Johnson

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Speaker 1: pretty good defense. It does, Yeah, it really does. Yeah

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Speaker 1: without Donald Yeah, yeah, even without him, but obviously I

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Speaker 1: think everybody wants him to be back. We'll talk more

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Speaker 1: about Yeah, but it was funny. I remember you said

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Speaker 1: when we were on RAMS pregame live like that when

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Speaker 1: we saw Sue in pre games is like you're a

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Speaker 1: little kid. You just got to take it to a

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Speaker 1: Godzilla movie. Yeah, man, and the product delivered too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: gets that hit on Watson. Well, you can see it

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Speaker 1: like in those old fashion monster movies. You see the

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Speaker 1: the movie, but oh yeah, Godzilla is going to destroy that.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna walk over that. He's gonna knock over that

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Speaker 1: same thing. And we were doing that right behind or

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Speaker 1: in front of the Texans offensive line. Yes, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking the same thing. Yeah, one of you guys, maybe

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Speaker 1: half an hour, and he did. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: he's really taken to that nose tackle spot. He understands positioning,

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Speaker 1: he understands his body and understand what Wade Phillips wants

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Speaker 1: to do. But as soon as it turns into an

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Speaker 1: obvious passing situation, now you got to deal with Sue

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Speaker 1: as a pass rusher man. Can he bring it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And I think we saw that, especially on that particular play.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting to me just looking at it from Okay,

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Speaker 1: probably makes an ill advised decision to throw that ball

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Speaker 1: you know when Sue comes up and hits you, that

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Speaker 1: probably exactly well, Valiant effort. Think about that Watson, like

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Speaker 1: you said, ill advised rolling right, throws it back across

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Speaker 1: and he's still overthrew the guy. Yes, that's a cannon

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Speaker 1: right right, that's that's that's an arm. So good play

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Speaker 1: by LaMarcus Joinner making that play, yeah, and then hitting

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Speaker 1: and I think we know, But that play to me

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Speaker 1: this defense and it's why he's still here. Yes, the

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Speaker 1: him because you have great man corners that are really

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Speaker 1: But changing tempo at some point, when you catch him

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Speaker 1: been practicing for a while, Go out there and play.

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Speaker 1: and like, you gotta let the donkey eat the carrot

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Speaker 1: out and perform. Let Michael Brocker's running hit, letting Dominican

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Speaker 1: sue hit a quarterback. Yeah, yeah, and he almost put

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Speaker 1: him working out and Sue does like this very elaborate,

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Speaker 1: he's in there and he's raising up one hundred and

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Speaker 1: it just just looking at him. It was a nice

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Speaker 1: just that's what it makes you say. And he took

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Speaker 1: don't think Sue really cares about flags at all. I don't.

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Speaker 1: But that's what he took mercy on the guy and

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Speaker 1: it's still hurt. Yeah. Yeah, imagine if he buries the guy. Right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no doubt and no doubt. And Ethan Westbrooks too. We

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Speaker 1: he's taken all those reps and he's getting nothing but better. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thinking about Westbrooks because we've seen him really grow up

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Speaker 1: because he came to the Rams as an undrafted free

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Speaker 1: anybody even remembers this conversation, but I do. It was basically, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: seems like he's starting to put it all together and

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Speaker 1: he's starting to get it. Like we talk about production

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Speaker 1: equal tolerance with the best players. You give Donald some leeway,

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Speaker 1: you give Sue some leeway, Well, Ethan Westbrooks will start

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Speaker 1: smell things, He's an instinctive guy. So as long as

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Speaker 1: it turns into playmaking for him and the Rams defense,

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Speaker 1: then so be it. Yeah. Well, again, when Aaron Donald

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Speaker 1: pretty The only thing I'm thinking of when we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about how do you block Brocker, Sue and Aaron

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Speaker 1: Donald up the gut, you can't. Well, the only thing

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Speaker 1: and hope you wear him out, because if you come

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Speaker 1: you decided you weren't going to resign. He's with the

425
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Speaker 1: Giants now. And then also Morgan Fox gets hurt during

426
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 1: OTAs and he's out for the year. Obo Okaron Quo

427
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 1: still on pup, and now it's likely that he's going

428
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,439
Speaker 1: to be on PUP at least through the start of

429
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 1: the regular season, which would put him ineligible for the

430
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 1: first six weeks. So I don't want to say it's

431
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,920
Speaker 1: like you're you're throwing darts, but it's you're trying. You're

432
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: looking at the options that you have and you're saying,

433
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,880
Speaker 1: all right, how can we maximize this talent and put

434
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: them in spots where they can be successful and we

435
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: still have a the best chance to win as a defense. Yeah,

436
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 1: and you can be successful as a defense. You can

437
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: be a you know, top five defense without two guys

438
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,199
Speaker 1: that are quote unquote the starters at outside linebacker. You

439
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 1: can do it by committee. You see it with running backs. Yeah,

440
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 1: it's not one guy's two that are doing the damage

441
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: and then receivers there. You know, everybody has a top

442
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 1: two and then a third and possibly a fourth. Well,

443
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: you can be that way for outside linebacker. Depending you

444
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: can mix and match. I like this matchup versus this

445
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: group and this personnel group for this game. Next game,

446
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 1: it could flip. I need more speed on the outside.

447
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: So I think you've got enough depth there at outside

448
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: linebacker to mix and match your way into something pretty

449
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 1: good on game day. I think so too. Look At

450
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 1: the thing I also think about is when the rams

451
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 1: are in nickel downs, you're probably going to see some

452
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: combination of Donald Sue Brockers and Abucom or like maybe

453
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: you switch out that fourth guy and it's not Abucom.

454
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: Maybe it's easily, maybe sometimes it's long Acre, depending on

455
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: what I that's sort of what I see happening. Yeah,

456
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and I think we've all we became

457
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: spoiled with Quinn. Yeah, I mean when he was out there,

458
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: we knew he's definitely going to turn that corner at

459
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: four and going to be heading back towards the quarterback.

460
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: I think that part is still growing. Yeah, that sort

461
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 1: of skill. Now, that's a guy that had plenty of

462
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: reps and had been a starter for a long time,

463
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 1: So that could come with reps for a guy like

464
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: Samson Ebcom, it's it has to at some point. Eventually

465
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: he's going to instead of meeting the offensive tackle at

466
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 1: the corner and it be a stalemate or a fight

467
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: to the quarterback, eventually he's going to wind up turning

468
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 1: that corner and free himself and becoming an instant pressure.

469
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: It's this you're setting the corner right, like having the

470
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: corner set for you, Ryan Just I mean, like with

471
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: Donald Man, I mean, you see, guys, if you're watching

472
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: from field level, when he takes off, he's beating his

473
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: guy while most guys are still tied up on the

474
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. That's what Quinn used to do. Yeah,

475
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: and that's what you need to get back to. But

476
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: that takes reps. It does, it does, But I think

477
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 1: it also helps that you have a guy like Sue

478
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: and I can really in Brockers too, that who can

479
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: all win those one on one situations and they're also

480
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,479
Speaker 1: going to take up extra blocks on that. It's funny, man.

481
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: You don't need to be quick or be great one

482
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: on one to beat guys when you can just lift

483
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: them up and move them. I mean seriously, I mean,

484
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: why mess around with Danson with no advance in trying

485
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: to set up a move when I can just put

486
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 1: both hands on your chest and get pressure walking you

487
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: back right. Yeah that believe me. Quarterbacks feel that too,

488
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden there's the same color jersey

489
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: flying towards them going backwards. Yeah, that's pressure, Yes, yeah,

490
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: yes it is. So as we bring up Aaron Donald,

491
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he was one of the two regular

492
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: defensive starters who was not on the field for that

493
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: Texans game, the other being Mark Barren, and all indications

494
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: are that Mark Barren should be good to go for

495
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: Week one. Mcbais said that this is the maintenance plan

496
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,479
Speaker 1: that they set up for a long time, just to

497
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: make sure that Barron could be good for a week one,

498
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: So that's good news. You're a comic book guy, We've

499
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: had this. I'm more of a comic book cyborg. I

500
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: keep getting cyborg when I think of Mark Barron. Really, yeah,

501
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: he's just that guy. I mean when he's all together

502
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: and when he's out there in pads, I dare to

503
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: say there might not be a more instinctive guy on

504
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: the field for the Rams. Yeah, yeah, truly, I mean

505
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: he is. He's a hybrid linebacker that plays with the

506
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: safety's mentality and he gets downhill like that. Yes. The

507
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: one problem is he's been banged up. Everything else has

508
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: been great. Yeah yeah, yeah, and it's been since they

509
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: put him in that position back in twenty fifteen as

510
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: that sort of hybrid linebacker ic downs. Really, that was

511
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: a really good decision by Greg Williams. Well. Like instinctive

512
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: running backs, right, these guys could make something happen even

513
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: when the line doesn't block anybody, and it's still a

514
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: big game because they're so instinctive. They just know where

515
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: the holes are and how the flow is going. Well,

516
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: same thing with Mark Barron. He may not play it

517
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: exactly the way a linebacker coach wants it, except he's

518
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: flying up the field making place right. Yeah, that's the

519
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: stuff you can't teach, and that's the stuff you miss

520
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: when he's not on the field. Absolutely all right, but

521
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: Donald with Aaron right now, there's no real update. We're

522
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: not going to come on between the horns and say

523
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: that he's signed a contract, because someday we will maybe yeah, yeah,

524
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: but I don't think the news is going to break here,

525
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: So if you're looking for that, sorry, But what McVeigh

526
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: did say was ideally Donald would report at the end

527
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: of this week, so after the Ramps probably get back

528
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: from New Orleans, say Friday, you know, so that you

529
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: can make sure he is in the best position possible

530
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: to play in Week one. That's what That's what McVay said,

531
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: And he said, I'm not going to put a strict

532
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: deadline on it. You know, it's not a hard thing

533
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 1: or anything. But probably ideally you get him back at

534
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: the end of the week, you put him through it,

535
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: you can get him as physical or whatever. I'm sure

536
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: he is in peak physical condition based on the Instagram

537
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: things that have been sure, and then you make sure

538
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: he knows every he's familiar with all the playbook and

539
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: the terminology and everything, which he obviously should be because

540
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: he was there last year. But you get him a

541
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: little bit more comfortable with Sue and Brocker's in the

542
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: position that they are now in this defensive line, get

543
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: him in the game plan, and boom you go on

544
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: Monday night in September tenth. So yeah, that's the latest,

545
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: I guess you would say when it comes to Aaron Well,

546
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's what's kind of being lost

547
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: in this whole thing. And we don't know because we

548
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: haven't seen Jared goffin the first unit offense yet in preseason,

549
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: so we don't know how it's going to look. We

550
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: have an idea because we either watch practice or we

551
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: can trust Sean McVeigh. But when you start thinking of

552
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: what this defense can be with or without Aaron Donald,

553
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: especially with and then just assume that the offense is

554
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: going to pick up where it left off from last season, Wow,

555
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good football team. It's hard not to

556
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: get ahead of yourself. But yeah, yeah, but first you'll

557
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: have to get the first unit offense on the field,

558
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: and then they have to perform. They have to give

559
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: us what we've come to understand as ramas offensive football,

560
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: right right, I mean a lot of smoking mirrors and

561
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: a lot of points. Yes, if that keeps up. And

562
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: then you add Donald back to that mix, I mean,

563
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: my goodness, well yeah, absolutely, that's the guy that puts

564
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: you over the edge. I agree with you completely because,

565
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: like this team as as it is right now, without Donald,

566
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: I think you're in the mix. Yeah, you're definitely in

567
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: the mix. But with Donald you have the one thing

568
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: that everybody desires right right well too, dynamic defensive tackles. Yeah,

569
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: really dynamic who can get after you on literally anything.

570
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: So it's one of the best offenses, possibly on his

571
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: way to being one of the best offenses, doesn't have

572
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: to play against the best defensive player. He's actually on

573
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 1: the same team. Yeah. Yeah, that that just makes you

574
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 1: take off, Yes, it definitely does. All right, But I'm

575
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: glad you brought up the offense because I do want

576
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: to get into this so the first team offense will

577
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: not take a preseason snap. I think my understanding is

578
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: that the plan was to have the first team offense

579
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: on the field probably a similar amount of time that

580
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: the defense played. One series, two series, maybe three. But

581
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: Rob Havenstein tweaks his ankle, and you already had decided.

582
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: Sullivan and Whitworth weren't playing. You know their vets, they

583
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. They don't need to play. Because

584
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: Havenstein then tweaks the ankle, he's not available for Saturday.

585
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: So that just has that domino effect. Okay, well then

586
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: golf isn't gonna play. And if you're not going to

587
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: play golf, then why would you play Roger Staffield on

588
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: the offensive line? And then if you're not going to

589
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: play golf again, why would you put your receivers out

590
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: there and expose them to anything with a guy that

591
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: they really have not caught passes from throughout the off

592
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: season program, training camp and everything with Sean Mayan. So

593
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: those domino effects happen, and now we will not see

594
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: the starters at all until Week one. Are you do

595
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 1: you like that? You not like it? How do you

596
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: feel about it? A little weird? I mean from the

597
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: old school, you have to play a little bit to

598
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: get ready. But you have to also take into account

599
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: that if Sean McVeigh is comfortable not having his guys

600
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: play one preseason snap before the regular season, then they

601
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: must be practicing for him. Like Gangbusters. And I would

602
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: bet that if he called the first fourteen play, this

603
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do versus open our first fourteen plays,

604
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: I would bet that they could get through thirteen without

605
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: a mistake because they're repping it. They're ready to go. Yeah,

606
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: so much to the point that the head coach says,

607
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: you know what, we don't even we don't even need

608
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: to risk injury. We know what we're doing. All we

609
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: can do is hurt ourselves. From this point, I agree

610
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: with you, but I think that there is a part

611
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: of McVeigh that really would have liked to have gotten

612
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: the starters out there, sure, at least at certain positions,

613
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: just for the sake of Okay, you know, I want

614
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: you to hear my voice in the helmet again, and

615
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: so he won't be bored on game day. I'm sure

616
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: he wants to play and coach just like the starters

617
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: want to play. But I mean, what's really what's really

618
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: more important come September? Yes, yeah, health is more important.

619
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: Having all your guys available is more important. Well, the

620
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: other thing too, And they were talking about this last

621
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: week that they're not op they were not operating as

622
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: a normal week would have been right for Houston. You

623
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: know they said that, Jared I think said they were

624
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: watching a little bit of film, but you know, they

625
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: weren't really game playing. They haven't done installs like they

626
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: would in a normal week, and so because of that,

627
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: and you're also not going to run your same your

628
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: real plays because you're definitely saving those for September ten. Right,

629
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: So at some point there's only so much that you

630
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: can get out of playing. It's not to mean defense,

631
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm wrong about this, but when you're on defense,

632
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: you're you're not going to do your exotic blitzes. But

633
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: you know you can call cover one, you know, man,

634
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: and you can still play that. It's not the same

635
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: as saying, you know whatever a McVeigh play call is. Yeah,

636
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean defense is a little bit easier. We can

637
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: just say, hey, look, we're not going to sub to

638
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: their personnel group. We're gonna stay in and we're gonna

639
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: stay in regular no matter what they do, and just

640
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: practice assist here and there. Offensively, it's it's tough to

641
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: actually go out there and call plays when you're trying

642
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: not to give anything away. It is real difficult. Yes, yeah,

643
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: So and look, if you don't have your full compliment

644
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: of your best pass protectors, especially your left tackle, then

645
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: why I risk your quarterback? Say you put him out

646
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: there with your backups Jared Goff with note Boom, etc.

647
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: And something bad happens. Oh my god, Oh my god. Yeah,

648
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: sports talk radio Will just McVeigh is an idiot. Why

649
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: do he do that? Well, he's doing the exact right thing.

650
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: If you don't have your best left tackle, keep your

651
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: quarterback out of the mix. I think that and this

652
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: is this is kind of interesting though. I really think

653
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: that they could have sent him out there with note Boom.

654
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: I think they were prepared to do that with note

655
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: Boom at left tackle, which speaks to the way note

656
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Boom has progressed. I don't trust rookies. It's it's a

657
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: it's a week by week thing. So I was impressed

658
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: week one, I was very impressed Week two, Week three, Wow,

659
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: this guy can play. But I'm still expecting a rookie

660
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: to show up at any moment. Yeah, yeah, don't trust reviews.

661
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Yeah, but you know, to your point,

662
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: you can a would get in six to ten plays. Yeah,

663
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: you can be Okay, you can avoid some certain things

664
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: with true. Now, how much is Jared going to get

665
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: out of that? If I'm calling the game just for

666
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: his protection for exactly, Yeah, then what's the point and

667
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: sending him out there? He's not working on anything. I'm

668
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: sure he knows how to handoff. Yeah, I'm sure he

669
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: knows how to do right, he would have been handing

670
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: off to Malcolm Brown and in theory John Kelly, right,

671
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: And I'm sure he knows how to throw a screen.

672
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: I think so too. Yeah. So let Manyon get the reps.

673
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: And this is funny, man, just watching that young offense

674
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: go from Baltimore to Houston. They're getting better, they are,

675
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: especially along the offensive line. I just wondered, like, if

676
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: this was really your group, if this was really Sean

677
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: mcvay's group, I wonder how good that offense would be

678
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: come September. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they are getting better.

679
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: They are definitely getting Yeah, if this was the group

680
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: you're going with in September, I just wonder, Wow, what

681
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 1: what would this group give you? All? Right, I'm going

682
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: to bring up the quarterback the backup quarterback situation, because

683
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: this keeps being a topic, and until it's not, I

684
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: guess it won't be. I guess until the regular season,

685
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna be funny. Yeah, I'm saving all the stories

686
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: written about the backup quarterback because well, because it's gonna

687
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: be a funny read come December. Yeah, the backup quarterback

688
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: really doesn't have to play hopefully knock on wood. Yeah,

689
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I I was on ESPN yesterday

690
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: at the radio and they asked about like, oh, do

691
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: you think Sean Manon is something to prove in preseason

692
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: Week four? And I was like, Hey, I don't think, man,

693
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: it's playing b I don't know that the quarterback room

694
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: is going to look dramatically different. And see to me

695
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: in terms of the backup quarterback, I mean, everybody wants

696
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: a good veteran backup quarterback, right, everybody does. Right. There

697
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: are only so many quarterbacks in the entire NFL. Right,

698
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: Are there even thirty two good starting quarterbacks? No? Is

699
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: the answer what you wanted to say depends on depending

700
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: on who that thirty two is. Yeah, No, there are

701
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: not thirty two good quarterbacks. It's true. I don't think

702
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm breaking No, No, I got you right. So what

703
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: my thing is you can't just say all of a sudden,

704
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know the backup is this that look?

705
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: Do you think Green Bay last year thought that Brett

706
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: Humley would look like he looked when Aaron Rodgers went

707
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: out he had been in that system for a couple

708
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: of years. In year three, like he's the twenty fifteen

709
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: draft pick. I remember when he came out because there

710
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: was talk that you should look at that quarterback, right,

711
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: But it's just the reality to me in the quarterback position. Yeah,

712
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to play quarterback. There are a reason the

713
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: starters are starters, and there are reason backups are backup.

714
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: And the first couple of plays in that preseason game

715
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 1: versus Houston, you saw why mannion, isn't it? Yes? Right? Yes?

716
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: Eventually you start to see everyone's wortz when they play

717
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: more right, yes, or you start to see the greatness

718
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: the more they play. I have confidence that if Sean

719
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: Sean Mingon had to play in a regular season game,

720
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: Sean McVay would tailor the game plan to Sean manon strengths,

721
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: and you would still, in theory, at least have Todd

722
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: Gurley Andrew Whitworth the rest of the line. You know,

723
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: world class protection, yes, class protection. MVP running back MVP

724
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: running back. Yeah, you'd have tight ends that are out

725
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: there that can catch the ball. I think. I don't

726
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: know if I'm is worried about the result, as it

727
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: seems like the rest of everybody else is, because all

728
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: they've seen is Sean Manon and this is something that

729
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: they have to talk about. Well yeah, yeah, you probably

730
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: won't see him all year, you know, if everything goes well. Yes, yeah,

731
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: and if you do, it might be mop up duty,

732
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: which is which is what he did last year. But

733
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: it's fine. If you put him out there with the ones,

734
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: then I bet the story would go away. He would

735
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: look different, yes, yeah, things would look different, So I

736
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: agree with you, yes, yeah, But that will lead us

737
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: in to this next topic that I want to do,

738
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: which is sort of projecting three man. I'm not cutting people,

739
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: which is hard now, I'm not doing that. I'm not

740
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: going to cut anybody. That's not fair. They still have

741
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: a game to play. They have a game to play. Yes,

742
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: But the way I always think of it is this,

743
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: if you're depending on the fourth preseason games, make an

744
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: impression to make a team this team. Chances are you're

745
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: getting caught, but there's still an opportunity for some guys. Yes,

746
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: because you still have to perform on teams you do. Yeah,

747
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: because this I mean it may not be you may

748
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: not be able to crack Let's caderrel Hodge, It may

749
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: not be able to crack the top six yea as

750
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: far as being a receiver, but you may be able

751
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: to make the club as a special teams or if

752
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: you were going to crack that top six, you're gonna

753
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: have to play special teams. Yes, it's going to be

754
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: between you and this guy to see who could at

755
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: least be one of bones Fossil's mainstays. Yes. Yeah, so

756
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: you still have opportunities in that fourth preseason game two

757
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: turn heads, I think you do, but I always think

758
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: of it like you should have been practicing harder then,

759
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: Like the games are to me not necessarily just as

760
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: important as what do you do in practice every day? Right,

761
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: doing meetings every You've had your opportunities, no doubt. Yeah,

762
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean, is it a showcase to say, all right,

763
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: not just for this team, but for the other thirty

764
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: one teams. Hey, this is who I am as a player,

765
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: This is what I can do, absolutely right. But I

766
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: just don't think like people ask this all the time

767
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: and it's a fair question. You know what, who needs

768
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: to make an impression in preseason week four in order

769
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: to make the team. If it's Smart, really Tenzel Smart?

770
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: Okay yeah, I mean if you're asking, if you're asking

771
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: me that question, it would be Tanzel Smart. Okay, yeah, yeah,

772
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: because Ethan's popped. Guys have popped. We haven't talked much

773
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: about Tanzel Smart. We have not popping um making plays

774
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: either up the field or just routine stuff. He's you know,

775
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: played tough football, but he would be a guy that says, hey, look,

776
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: you really need to wreck shop on Thursday, Yeah, to

777
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: stay in the league. Yeah, okay, either here or somewhere else, right, Okay, Yeah,

778
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: he's the guy would feel comfortable saying that about right now.

779
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: That's fine. I would, honestly, I guess if I had

780
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: to pick one, to me, it might be Tameric Henningway.

781
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, because I mean, look, you see

782
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: the results in the preseason games, and to me in

783
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: practice it's kind of looked the same. He just you

784
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: want to see more from that guy. Yeah, we see

785
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: a lot of them, because there is a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah,

786
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: he's he's big and you know, just funny if if

787
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: maybe he catches that pass a little earlier when he's

788
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: in the red zone and he has a chance to

789
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: turn up field with it with that long body. I

790
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: think he caught it on the five. Perhaps he could

791
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: reach in there and score, maybe, you know, make something happen,

792
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: But it is what it is. He got flattened out

793
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: on the route. So, um, I think we thought we'd

794
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: see more of him in the preseason, Yes, especially by

795
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: way of the spectacular. I don't think that's really transpired. Yeah,

796
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: for him, I would agree. I think that right now.

797
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: You look at John munt, I think he might have

798
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: a better chance than to Well, he made the most

799
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: of his plays. Yeah, he caught the one and then

800
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: dropped the other. But he's been pretty consistent with his

801
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: route running. He has been. Yeah, and he's also another

802
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: guy that's been around the team. He has a year

803
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: in the system on practice, going from practice squad to

804
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: the active roster. I think a couple of times. Yeah,

805
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: last year. This year is Derek Carrier. Yes, yeah, that's

806
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: what I would actually for sure. Um. But from the

807
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: standpoint of the offensive line. You and I were talking

808
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: before we got on the air here, and we think

809
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: that all three rookies that were drafted gotta make this team.

810
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: Help Boom Alan and Jamie didnon. You won't be able

811
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: to get them through on practice squad, No, they're absolutely no.

812
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: They well, they've got a lot of tape in preseason,

813
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: they put a lot of tape out there, and like

814
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: you said, they're improving. Yes, yeah, I mean they're getting

815
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: starters reps in games, so they're getting better. The only

816
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: player that I would even say would have a chance

817
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: of going two waivers to be placed on the practice

818
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: while would would be Denby and you'd lose that. You'd

819
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: lose him. Yeah, yeah, I mean he is massive and

820
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: he's played everywhere. Yes, yeah, he showed versatility. So yeah,

821
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: it'll be hard for all three of those young guys

822
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: not to be on this roster. I would agree. As

823
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: far as replacing Jamon Brown goes right now, it kind

824
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: of seems like that's going to be Austin Blythe McVay

825
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: called Blythe a starting caliber player following Monday's practice. No

826
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: doubt that's something there, and he said that the comfortable

827
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: putting Austin Blythe in any of those interior spots. So

828
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: we've seen Blythe come in as a backup center. We've

829
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: seen him come in as a backup guard last year,

830
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: so it seems like Blythe still has that leg up. However,

831
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: McVey did say we're still figuring things out, so I

832
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: don't know what that means. To me, that kind of

833
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: sounds like coach speak. And I would bet that McVeigh

834
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: and coach Cromer have a plan, no doubt that it'd

835
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: already have made, probably made that decision by this point.

836
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: But it seems like it's either going to be no

837
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: Boom or Blythe, And to me, the edge goes to

838
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: Blythe just when you have two backups, because Sullivan's a starter,

839
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: but your backups Blythe or guard center, and so is

840
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: Alan guard center. Yes, it's odd to have two of

841
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: those guys, you know what I mean. But I mean

842
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: Austin Blythe I think has played great at left guard,

843
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: right guard. I think he's been great at guard. So

844
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: I agree with the coach he has played like a starter.

845
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 1: But that might cost you one of those young guys eventually. Yeah,

846
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: until like look so right now, as we look at it,

847
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: in the projected fifty three, that would be eight offensive

848
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: linemen on there, because you've got Whitworth, Sullivan saffled Havenstein

849
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: blythe those would be your starting five and then three

850
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: reserves in note Boom, Alan and Demby as you start

851
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: the season, Jamal Brown is eventually going to come back.

852
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: Nine offensive linemen is kind of a lot because the

853
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: Rams have traditionally had seven up on game day for

854
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: that forty six, right, So that means you'd be deactivating three. Yeah, right,

855
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's why this this last game is

856
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: so important for those numbers right there. Okay, Yeah, most

857
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: of your established guys, we know who the top twenty

858
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: two are. Pretty much you're for both sides of the football.

859
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: You're too deep, but you've got a few guys on

860
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: the and Jamon Brown definitely does not help with the

861
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: suspension that you have to go heavy at certain spots

862
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: and lighted others to begin the year. Yes, because it

863
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: could flop again, well, it could always flop at running

864
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: back right now. I kind of expect there to be

865
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: three on the final or initial I always people always

866
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: say final fifty three. I like to call it initial

867
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: fifty three because it literally could change the next and

868
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: it does, and it does. We saw it last year.

869
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: Brandon Allen comes on the spot. Hey, mom, I made

870
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: the opening day roster. No I didn't. Yeah, you made

871
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: the cut. You made the cut, right, Let's be clear there, um.

872
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: But the three running backs I expect to be on

873
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: the roster right now, Gurley Brown, John Kelly, no doubt.

874
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: I you know. The unfortunate thing with Justin Davis is

875
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: that he's been hurt. Didn't see him throughout the course

876
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: of the preseason, and I had I've had fun watching

877
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: nic Holee run the ball. Yeah, tough, tough little dude,

878
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: can't stay tough little dude. Absolutely, But John Kelly kind

879
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: of won the preseason for me. Malcolm Brown didn't do

880
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: anything to lose his Spodi's Malcolm Brown. And then Todd Gurley. Yeah,

881
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: it's a good three. How this is an interesting thing

882
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: that kind of came up over the court because John

883
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: Kelly's done so well in the preseason. When you have

884
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: a guy like that, how much do you even expect

885
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: Kelly to play because he's behind Todd Gurley? Not much?

886
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: That's yeah my thing too. Not much. But I mean, look,

887
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: all backup running backs play, You're gonna take care of you.

888
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: I think I think he's going to be a special

889
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: teams guy. Yeah, sure, no doubt. You're gonna have to

890
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: go down and make some plays there, either tackling or returning,

891
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: depending what have you. But as far as being a

892
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: backup tailback, eventually you're going to be in there. I

893
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: mean even stud backs have to take a few plays off, right,

894
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: And that's a tough position there. Yeah, a tough position, man.

895
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: It is who you might have to take a drive,

896
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: maybe an entire series. Maybe, Yeah, that's that's that's the

897
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: life of a backup tailback. But I don't know. It's

898
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: just Todd Curley was on the field so much last year, right,

899
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: his usage rate is always going to be high. That's

900
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: why he got paid because the Rams are going to

901
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: use him. So that's just what I think about with

902
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: John Kelly, right, I think he can definitely be a

903
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: very effective player in this league. Talking about Kelly, that

904
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: fifteen yard touchdown that I think that was legit man, Like,

905
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: I know he's playing against two threes what have you,

906
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: But that's leg Yeah. Good blocking too, yeah, yes, very

907
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: good blocking. Um, let's look at other positions here outside linebacker.

908
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: Right now, I've got six so abucome long acre easily,

909
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: which is interesting. Ryan Davis, Alan Price, and then also

910
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: Justin Lawler. Interesting Lawler. All he does is make plays. Yes, yeah,

911
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: it may not be the most spectacular, but it's effective. Right. Yeah.

912
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: When when when they unpile, he's usually at the bottom

913
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah yeah, yeah, he's somewhere, He's somewhere around

914
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: the ball. So yeah, another situation where that fourth preseason

915
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: game is key. Yeah, you're not done there either. I

916
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: bet you're still evaluating you might be and that actually,

917
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: that actually is one of those positions. Price is a

918
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: guy that wait a minute, he had a great finish

919
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: to the game. He did. Let's let's see that a

920
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: little bit more, made a couple of plays. Let's see

921
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: that a little bit more. Because you know, honestly, he

922
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: has not flashed that much, like to that extent as

923
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: he did in that game sort of previously. So that

924
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: was good to see. That's why I love game situations,

925
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: because I mean, it's situational football. When he got to

926
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: get in, it was they were trying to come back

927
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: and they had to throw, so which means he's rushing

928
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: the passer. He looks completely different. Yes, wait a minute,

929
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: let's see him as a pass rusher now, Yeah, yeah,

930
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't get that in practice, but in games

931
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: it may fall right in your wheelhouse and you look

932
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: like a completely different guy. You do all right. Cornerback

933
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: is another position where the top three guys you know

934
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: who they are in terms of to leave Peters and

935
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: Nikel Ruby Coleman. But then there's also Troy Hill, who

936
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: I think has established himself and definitely will be around.

937
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: Sam Shields too. Is that what would be the fifth

938
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: guy and I would put there? And he's done really

939
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: a fantastic job since coming back after really basically sitting

940
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: out the last two years with the concussionation. I just

941
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: put the ball away, man, Yeah, ask my guy, I

942
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 1: got you, but just you know, tuck that thing away.

943
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: But great play, great play, exciting, just tuck the ball away.

944
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean another guy like just making sure

945
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: he can take the pounding of the NFL. He I

946
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: think he's gone through that that little whatever it was

947
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: nerves about playing the game again. Yeah, he's back to

948
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: playing like Sam Shields. Yes, yeah, and that's really good news.

949
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: When that's your that's good for us, right, Yes, that

950
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: is really good. He's all right. So let's talk a

951
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: little bit about the Saints. Game, because as we were

952
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: talking about it before, it's honestly kind of the JV

953
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: game if you will. Yeah, yeah, you're not going to

954
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: see the established guys out there. Yeah at all really,

955
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,959
Speaker 1: and that could even be guys that you don't even

956
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: think are more established than they're, like a John Kelly.

957
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that we're going to see John Kelly

958
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: at all. Given that the Rams signed another running back

959
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: today being Tuesday, in Larry Rose, who was on the

960
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: squad before, during the during the preseason or OTAs I

961
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: should say, the off season program. Easy for me to

962
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: say apparently, yeah, anyway, after that little brain part um.

963
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: But so he's been on the team, he's a little

964
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: bit familiar with the playbook. He can go out there

965
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: and he can take some carries. I mean, you won't

966
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: just have Yes Nick Holly out there. As you just mentioned,

967
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: it's it's an important look. It's it may not be

968
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: important for Todd Gurley, may not be important for John Kelly,

969
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: although I wouldn't tell him that because he's a rookie, yes,

970
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: earn it. But for guys that are coming in with

971
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: your last chance, I mean, this is this means everything

972
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: to you. So yeah, I have. I have an opportunity

973
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: for you come here and play. Yeah, you'll get the

974
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: ball twenty five times. Let's see what you do with

975
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: it exactly. Yeah. Now McVeigh has not said this as

976
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: of this recording, so who knows how relevant this will

977
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: or will not be in the next few hours. But

978
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: I expect that this will be the game that Louis

979
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: Perez will play really well. I can't wait. I'm excited, man,

980
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I can't wait to see him play. Yeah. Yeah,

981
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: to me, there's a chance that he could play the

982
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: entire game. Really wow. I mean, what if he puts

983
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: up forty two points? Congratulations? What if he puts up

984
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: forty two points I mean and like goes thirty for thirty.

985
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean, just ridiculous. I think you say congratulations, Oh whoa, whoa, whoa,

986
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, forty two points in the league and

987
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: he's perfect in the Wow. I don't know, leads the

988
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: team in rushing too. I'm just saying based on practice,

989
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: you never know. I'm right, I'm writing the movie script

990
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah. Yeah, we're all writing them off. Yeah,

991
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm not writing them off. I'm just saying that this

992
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: is your fourth string quarterback. And I think about last

993
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: year when Dani Rolovsky played the entire game in Green Bay, right,

994
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, to me, that's what this situation is, right,

995
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: It's an opportunity. You're either gonna see Brandon Allen in

996
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,479
Speaker 1: the first half, or in Louis Perez in the second half,

997
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: or Louise Perez the whole time. And if it's me,

998
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: I might just play Louise Pres the whole why not,

999
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: especially if he's especially if he's doing well, and depending

1000
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: on what New Orleans is doing on the other side.

1001
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: But I mean, like you said, this is one you

1002
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: just want to kind of get through for for certain guys, Yeah,

1003
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: but for others, man, this is this is it. This

1004
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: is your NFL moment right now. Yeah, I feel like

1005
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm kind of diminishing it. Get your high mom's in now. Yeah,

1006
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: but this is it is an important game for yeah,

1007
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: because like, hey, it could be your last chance to

1008
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: ever put on an NFL uniform and be, like I said,

1009
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: you do want to make that final impression for this

1010
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: team and the thirty one other teams. So there's there

1011
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: are people of valuating tape. If I knew I was

1012
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: getting cut, if you knew there's no way you're getting

1013
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: that uniform back. I'm going straight to my car. I'm

1014
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: going straight through my car with everything. I'm rolling out

1015
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: absolutely Bill me. Yeah yeah, man, oh yeah, I'd be

1016
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: that guy at the grocery store too, full gear, mouthpiece

1017
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: in Oh yeah, so sad. I mean, but it's it's

1018
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: real though. I mean, at least at least you have

1019
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: a chance to play the game, It's true. Yet least

1020
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: you have a chance to go back out there and

1021
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: play and just have fun with it. Yeah. I think

1022
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: that is the most positive thing you can take out

1023
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: of it, other than the fact that we're going to

1024
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: be in New Orleans. It's fun for us. Yeah, that's true. Yeah,

1025
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I love I love going there. Um, it

1026
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: was always fun to play. The fans really get into it.

1027
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: Um and I'm telling you, man, when that place gets going,

1028
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: it's as loud as anywhere. I will never forget all

1029
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 1: loud it got back in twenty sixteen when when Sean

1030
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: Payne made it personal against Gregsne through that pass. Oh yeah, yeah,

1031
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I felt like,

1032
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, Lamb's to slaughter. Yeah, yeah, this is fun.

1033
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: He's throwing red meat to the lions. Still, the other

1034
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: thing I do appreciate about going to the Superdome is

1035
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: that they play stand up and get cropped or skulls

1036
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: should called halftime, but yeah, after they score a touchdown, right,

1037
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: that's fun. I love music. I love that. That's cool though.

1038
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: See he's doing it again. See he's doing He's rocket.

1039
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: Is that all you got? Is that? How I got

1040
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: the parting show? That's it. We're on to New Orleans. Yeah,

1041
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: New Orleans, and then we will come back and then

1042
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: we will have real football next week. It counts, man,

1043
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: Thursday counts. Thursday counts, two, Thursday counts. After Thursday we

1044
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: start counting wins and losses. That's what he means to say. Yes,

1045
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: Thursday counts for a lot of people. That's fair. I

1046
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: think we all need to brush up on everything. Lewis Perez,

1047
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: it counts for him. No, definitely got not. Yes, you're right,

1048
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: I unfairly diminished things for a certain place. There you go,

1049
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: All right, we're good, We're good, all right in the show,

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Speaker 1: and everybody, thanks so much. We're tuning into this edition

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Speaker 1: of Between the Horns. I want to make sure that

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Speaker 1: you know kickoff five o'clock Pacific time on Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: You can catch the game on CBS two here in LA,

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Speaker 1: check your local listings otherwise, and then you can listen

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Speaker 1: to the call on ESPN LA with Voice of the Rams, Jblong,

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Speaker 1: Maurice Jones, Drew and this guy DeMarco far So I

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Speaker 1: care about the fourth preseason game. I care about it

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Speaker 1: too because I get to go to New Orleans and

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Speaker 1: how fun? All right, So for DeMarco far A, Miles Simmons,

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Speaker 1: we will see you next time on Between the Horns,