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Speaker 1: the college football season. Today we are doing a very
Speaker 1: important show. It is our SEC West preview show. Dan.
Speaker 1: We've been going through division by division, conference by conference
Speaker 1: and talking about all the relevant factoids that may only
Speaker 1: interest you and I, but nonetheless are somewhat important. And
Speaker 1: we did what Big ten East a week ago. Yep,
Speaker 1: that was a big one. Tonight, We've got a huge one.
Speaker 1: A lot of interest for sure in the SEC West.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it is the best division in the southern part
Speaker 2: of the United States. That is something I am willing
Speaker 2: to confidently say in state right.
Speaker 1: That is objectively true.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, I'm excited for this one. I don't have
Speaker 2: a nickname for the SEC West like we've given nicknames
Speaker 2: to other divisions, the SEC VEST, the SEC VEST Formed.
Speaker 2: I don't know the SEC Chest. I'm not there yet, Tie.
Speaker 1: We need a little we need a little skin from
Speaker 1: Nick Saban before we go SEC Chest.
Speaker 2: That's true, there is a lot to talk about. This
Speaker 2: is probably more fun for me to talk about than
Speaker 2: it has been these past few years, just because I
Speaker 2: like novelty tie. I like treating college football like a
Speaker 2: TV show, and I enjoy that it's a new season,
Speaker 2: a couple of stars left, and we're getting in new blood,
Speaker 2: you know, and hopefully it's like did you watch Friday
Speaker 2: Night Lights? Yeah, of course, I'm hoping it's an East
Speaker 2: Dill and West still in situation. Yeah, where we have
Speaker 2: some new stars, we have some new storylines. I am
Speaker 2: excited for what I think is because you know, traditionally
Speaker 2: these past few years, it's been sort of Alabama LSU,
Speaker 2: and then Auburn here and there. Auburn, you know, is
Speaker 2: comes along and has a great season, then goes like
Speaker 2: six and six, or you have a year or two
Speaker 2: of the Mississippi schools jumping up, making a lot of noise,
Speaker 2: and then obviously after making a lot of noise, you
Speaker 2: get tight and need a massage.
Speaker 1: Shout out.
Speaker 2: But there is something very exciting to me about Arkansas rebooting.
Speaker 2: And we do miss you, Burt. We miss you a
Speaker 2: whole lot.
Speaker 1: We do. I still have the sound on the board.
Speaker 1: By the way, people, we did a Reddit ama on yes,
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Speaker 1: and we did get a very specific question about the soundboard.
Speaker 1: Would we be expanding the soundboard to include sounds for
Speaker 1: other coaches, And there was a call out in there
Speaker 1: for the Brett Beelms sound, which is never going to leave.
Speaker 1: That's never going to go away just because he's not
Speaker 1: a coach.
Speaker 2: Part of our fabric. We have Jimbo Fisher in a
Speaker 2: pretty sensical move in terms of we expect a lot
Speaker 2: of success both in the recruiting trail on the field
Speaker 2: with texts A and M. I don't know if that
Speaker 2: means anything beyond nine to three, but in the SEC
Speaker 2: West that's pretty good. And there's I think that the
Speaker 2: nearest and dearest part of the novelty of the SEC West,
Speaker 2: and that's the very first person to ever work in
Speaker 2: both the Bronx and Starkville, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird VENN diagram, isn't.
Speaker 2: It has become a thing. And Matt Luke with a
Speaker 2: really fun offense at Ole, miss and then you have
Speaker 2: the sort of more familiar stories at Alabama Auburn.
Speaker 1: And listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. I'm ready don't
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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm just it's sort of like when you read
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Speaker 1: Okay, all the juicy stuff. Well, you are excited. You
Speaker 1: sound about as excited as you were the last time
Speaker 1: you drank a cold Bruce.
Speaker 2: So I hope you're had a I had a green tea.
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Speaker 2: all right.
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Speaker 1: Why don't we get in? Hold on? I have a
Speaker 1: drum roll here, Actually, you know what I have, Lex Steele.
Speaker 1: Let's play him. Yeah, let's play Lex Steele before we
Speaker 1: talk about the SEC West. So let's start where we
Speaker 1: always start. Dan, I feel like a broken record because
Speaker 1: I start out all the previous shows the same way.
Speaker 1: The framework for all of these shows is why should
Speaker 1: I care? YEP, Because we're both in our mid thirties
Speaker 1: at this point. The burden of everyday life is much
Speaker 1: greater now than it was when we're like fifteen, eighteen,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Got a lot of things on our minds,
Speaker 1: So why should we care about the SEC West? And
Speaker 1: that's where we're going with all this. But before we
Speaker 1: get there, let's talk about our initial impressions about the
Speaker 1: West just as a division within the SEC, within the
Speaker 1: ecosystem of college football. What are your main takeaways here.
Speaker 2: That there's no real middle ground to the SEC West.
Speaker 2: You have like a ton of experience mixed with a
Speaker 2: ton of questions. No, there's no team that is like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I definitely see seven and five, eight and four.
Speaker 2: Things can go in so many different ways for everybody,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing.
Speaker 2: I think somebody's going to jump up. I think somebody's
Speaker 2: going to fall down. But there is which I think
Speaker 2: I like. I think I do like this that we're
Speaker 2: dealing with the case of extremes, at least before the
Speaker 2: season actually starts. That's my impression. You have two teams
Speaker 2: that have the clear best defensive fronts in the division
Speaker 2: to me, Alabama and Auburn. LSU is right there as well,
Speaker 2: but not quite, and everybody else is just scrambling. Everybody
Speaker 2: else has pieces. There's another team that I like that
Speaker 2: could go to nine to ten wins. But I like
Speaker 2: the fact that there is nothing mellow about this division.
Speaker 1: Well, and there's a lot of mystery about it too.
Speaker 1: I think we know what we're gonna we're going to
Speaker 1: get from Alabama, right, we don't know all the key contributors. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't know all the key contributors on defense because
Speaker 1: they're relatively new on defense. But I think we expect
Speaker 1: a level of quality from Alabama that we've seen YearIn
Speaker 1: and year out. That's one of the constants of the
Speaker 1: SEC West. But otherwise, you know, new coaches at Mississippi
Speaker 1: State and Texas A and M and Arkansas. I got
Speaker 1: some real hot takes on Arkansas, a full.
Speaker 2: Time at Ole miss interim tag is off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure. So just a lot of mystery throughout
Speaker 1: that I think makes this a very very interesting side
Speaker 1: of the SEC to follow. Let's start at the top
Speaker 1: with Alcabama. None of Alabama. Okay, defending national champion dog,
Speaker 1: we gotta talk about it. I wanted to.
Speaker 2: I mean in the way like we did last week.
Speaker 2: I like throwing people for a loop. Who did we
Speaker 2: start with last week?
Speaker 1: In Indiana? Indiana? Okay, I want to start with Alabama.
Speaker 1: They are these as expected. Yeah, I know, defending national
Speaker 1: champions eleven to one regular season, won the playoff game,
Speaker 1: and of course won a thriller in the National Championship
Speaker 1: over Georgia, over time, big time pass from Tua tongue
Speaker 1: of Iolaa to win that national championship. This year, now,
Speaker 1: Bama's got ten guys back, ten starters back, seven on offense,
Speaker 1: three on defense. But what I would say is that
Speaker 1: the number is a little bit misleading if you're Alabama,
Speaker 1: because really it's an embarrassment of riches from top to bottom,
Speaker 1: and even a lot of the quote unquote non starters
Speaker 1: got a ton of playing time last year, So it's
Speaker 1: not a true indicator in the way that it might
Speaker 1: be if we're talking about a team like in Iowa. Right,
Speaker 1: there's just so much depth at Alabama that I think,
Speaker 1: I think I.
Speaker 2: Like Iowa don't pick on Iowa.
Speaker 1: I'm not picking on Iowa. But would you debate the
Speaker 1: point that Alabama's got way more depth than Iowa.
Speaker 2: I would not debate that point.
Speaker 1: Thank you. So here's where we're at with this team.
Speaker 1: We're going to get into all of the relevant names,
Speaker 1: but I will start out by saying it is an
Speaker 1: extremely workable road schedule, which is what I look at
Speaker 1: first and foremost anytime we're talking about SEC teams, because usually,
Speaker 1: especially in the West, it's a murderer's row. Here is
Speaker 1: what we're looking at in terms of a road schedule
Speaker 1: for Alabama at Mississippi, at Arkansas, at Tennessee, and at LSU.
Speaker 1: Those are the true road games, right.
Speaker 2: Louisville's in Orlando.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was gonna say that's where you stole
Speaker 1: my thunder a little bit, but sorry, No, it's okay.
Speaker 1: I think the toughest game away from home might be
Speaker 1: in Week one, and it might be the neutral cider
Speaker 1: in Orlando against Louisville.
Speaker 2: No, you think going to Orlando to play Louisville a
Speaker 2: Brian Van Gorder defense is going to be more difficult
Speaker 2: than the two million dollar man with a lot of
Speaker 2: healthy talent and Dave Randa go in Death Valley.
Speaker 1: I said, Mike, I was Hedgie a little bit. I said,
Speaker 1: might we love Puma pass? We do. I love me
Speaker 1: some Puma Pass, but.
Speaker 2: I think Elsie's gonna be tougher in Death Valley.
Speaker 1: That's a fair point. So with that being said, I
Speaker 1: think an extraordinary amount of attention is going to be
Speaker 1: paid to this quarterback battle, and I have battle in quotes.
Speaker 1: It's truly an extraordinary situation if you think about it,
Speaker 1: because Jalen Hurts, like not an all time great passer,
Speaker 1: but at the same time has just lost what is it,
Speaker 1: one game in two years as a starting quarterback for Alabama,
Speaker 1: which A that's really good. It's really really good, even
Speaker 1: if he's not a top level passer. Agreed, disagree concerns thoughts.
Speaker 2: No, I don't disagree at all. Jalen Hurts has been excellent.
Speaker 2: But within the context of Alabama, I don't believe a
Speaker 2: quarterback goes to Alabama to beat clearly inferior teams and
Speaker 2: look great doing so. I want to say that a
Speaker 2: quarterback and on that level, great position players on both
Speaker 2: sides to the ball go to Alabama to win games.
Speaker 2: In late November, December, and early January. And so that's
Speaker 2: not the case for We'll stick with Iowa or Kansas
Speaker 2: State or cal whatever. But within the context of Alabama,
Speaker 2: it's great to say he's, you know, nine and oh
Speaker 2: or eighteen and oh in September and October, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't While the sec it just means more, it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean as much in this situation.
Speaker 1: I would agree absolutely. We are now in a weird
Speaker 1: spot where Jalen's backup save the day in the National
Speaker 1: title game, in the second half of the National title game,
Speaker 1: title game, excuse me, particularly in the fourth quarter and
Speaker 1: overtime spots of that National Championship game, which means there
Speaker 1: is now a real open question about who is going
Speaker 1: to get the spot. I think it's assumed that it's
Speaker 1: going to be to a tongue of Ayola at this point.
Speaker 2: I like, how careful you are attentive to his last name.
Speaker 1: As you might have guessed, Jalen Hurts is frustrated about this,
Speaker 1: and he did. He raised some eyebrows with comments that
Speaker 1: he made last week where he was pretty candid about
Speaker 1: the situation. He's like, nobody's asked me how I felt
Speaker 1: about this How did you feel about what he said?
Speaker 1: I thought all of it was reasonable. He's in a
Speaker 1: very strange position as an admittedly successful quarterback who has
Speaker 1: done everything asked of him. He had a bad first half.
Speaker 2: He had a not so great Iron Bowl, not great
Speaker 2: against Clemson, but the defense was unreal, and they made
Speaker 2: a good call to bring in his backup, and his
Speaker 2: backup shines. And he's been put in this position where
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to sit out for a year,
Speaker 2: and he can graduate at the end of this season,
Speaker 2: I believe, in December. And it's hard to imagine that
Speaker 2: no matter what the coaching staff says, that he is
Speaker 2: getting the fairest shake in terms of competing for this job,
Speaker 2: because it's impossible to view twenty eighteen in a vacuum,
Speaker 2: because you have all of this evidence that at times,
Speaker 2: and listen, he was even in the National Championship game
Speaker 2: they lost, he was amazing. He brought them back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, It's it's hard not to say we got to
Speaker 2: see what Tua has. It's hard not to say that
Speaker 2: after you know, he looked great in garbage time last year.
Speaker 2: He didn't really play that many, if any meaningful snaps
Speaker 2: in games where there were something on the line, you know,
Speaker 2: within a couple of touchdowns or something. But coming in
Speaker 2: and playing that way against Georgia, it's impossible not to
Speaker 2: ask yourself what would he be like getting number one
Speaker 2: reps in practice, starting games, getting in a rhythm, getting
Speaker 2: more comfortable with the speed of the game. So I
Speaker 2: can sympathize with Jalen Hurt saying nobody's really talking to me.
Speaker 2: It feels like everybody's going through the motions. I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm going through the motions, and it's it's difficult,
Speaker 2: and I think it a rough spring because too was out,
Speaker 2: so he was counted on for the number one reps
Speaker 2: once again. So it was a hand injury, which was
Speaker 2: now fine. But it's a tricky situation. And I cannot
Speaker 2: imagine a way in which he is named the outright
Speaker 2: starter and that is that, and he hangs out in
Speaker 2: Tuscaloosa for another year after this one.
Speaker 1: It's such a weird situation. There were say what we
Speaker 1: want about his passing numbers, but a lot of his
Speaker 1: numbers did improve from the year before. He just wasn't
Speaker 1: the savior in the National Championship game. And let's be honest.
Speaker 2: You don't have to be the savior. He just had
Speaker 2: to be Okay, are.
Speaker 1: Pretty good, that's fair, absolutely, and he may not have
Speaker 1: the skill set at least the same degree as to
Speaker 1: a tongue of ayolola so attentive. The other thing that
Speaker 1: I'll point out here, because there are other players in
Speaker 1: this team, yeah, is how damn striking it is to
Speaker 1: look at the numbers from last year and realize how
Speaker 1: Little Bama actually needed to throw because they had three
Speaker 1: guys and Damien Harris, Jalen Hurts, and Scarborough, all of
Speaker 1: whom had more than one hundred and twenty four carries.
Speaker 1: Naji Harris had sixty one carries. So they ran the
Speaker 1: ball an awful lot last year. This year, both Damian
Speaker 1: and Nase are back. Dan It's a double Harris backfield,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, I'm thinking my pet nickname could be
Speaker 1: Major Harris in an old nod to like nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: eight West Virginia quarterback Major Harris.
Speaker 2: Major Harris is not bad. You've You've thrown some stinkers
Speaker 2: out there. It was gonna I have as a as
Speaker 2: a Californian, I was gonna go with Harris Ranch, which
Speaker 2: is a booie.
Speaker 1: That's better. That's better. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only thing I don't like about that is it's
Speaker 2: like a cattle ranch and players most certainly are not
Speaker 2: pieces of meat.
Speaker 1: So that's the difficulty.
Speaker 2: But if we can ignore that problematic aspect, I Harris
Speaker 2: Ranch is thriving Harris Ranch.
Speaker 1: So they're gonna run, They're gonna be really good. On offense.
Speaker 1: They've got something like seven quote unquote starters back again
Speaker 1: in quotes air quotes because most everyone on the team
Speaker 1: got an experience from the year prior. Yep. The question
Speaker 1: for me is I guess on defense if I have
Speaker 1: one mm hm, because really just another embarrassment or riches
Speaker 1: back there. The younger guys did see action a year ago,
Speaker 1: so I'm excited to see veterans like ray Kwan Davis
Speaker 1: along the line, but I'm also pumped for younger guys
Speaker 1: like Dylan Moses at linebacker, who is going to be
Speaker 1: a full time starter this year, and I think he's
Speaker 1: going to be a tank. The biggest questions are probably
Speaker 1: in the secondary, and generally Nick Saban does a pretty
Speaker 1: good job shoring up that secondary well.
Speaker 2: Starting with offense. Even starting above offense and defense, at
Speaker 2: least in terms of structural organization hierarchy. This is a
Speaker 2: new looking coaching staff. Yeah, this is Brian Dable leaves
Speaker 2: after a year. Mike Loxley comes in as the full
Speaker 2: time offensive coordinator with his co coordinator I believe is
Speaker 2: Josh Gattis, who comes in from Penn State and State
Speaker 2: long time. You know, the receivers of Penn State have
Speaker 2: been excellent these past few year, so you can assume
Speaker 2: the very least Josh gattis in that passing game. We'll
Speaker 2: keep going even without Calvin Ridley. Defensively, Jeremy Pruitt, in
Speaker 2: obviously a high profile move, takes the head job at Tennessee,
Speaker 2: and in slide sort of, Tosh Lupoy. Interestingly enough, Tosh
Speaker 2: Lupoy and Mike Losley like three years ago, were analysts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Tosh Lupoy situation from cal gets messed up. He leaves,
Speaker 2: and Mike Loxley obviously after not succeeding as a coordinator
Speaker 2: and head coach, he slides in as an analyst. Now
Speaker 2: these guys have worked their way up to coordinator and
Speaker 2: then a new defensive line coach, maybe the best one
Speaker 2: in the country in Craig Kuligowski comes from Miami via
Speaker 2: Miami via Missouri whatever, Missouri via Miami, and it's just
Speaker 2: it's a new look up and down this coaching staff.
Speaker 2: So couple that with yes, a ton of offensive experience,
Speaker 2: offensive experience up front. Jonah Williams has started forever now
Speaker 2: at left tackle. Receiver is somewhat new without Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 2: but they'll be fine there. Running back is stupid how
Speaker 2: good it's going to be. And this is weird to say.
Speaker 2: Damien Harris was really really good last year and almost
Speaker 2: feels forgotten because we just sort of assumed he would
Speaker 2: leave when when eligible, but decided to come back and like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Damien Harris is still there. Naj Harris, I
Speaker 2: believe will become somebody that when you see him run,
Speaker 2: there are certain guys who are like, oh wow, he's
Speaker 2: excellent Naj Harris. Maybe somebody are like, what are you
Speaker 2: supposed to do? What do you He's impossible? So that
Speaker 2: is that must be nice. And then you know two
Speaker 2: is probably going to start if I had to guess,
Speaker 2: and he his ceiling is incredibly high because of his
Speaker 2: arm and his awareness, and kahonis I don't know, but
Speaker 2: sure feels macumin coonis and defensively, I think I disagree
Speaker 2: with you a little bit, both just on a granular level,
Speaker 2: not like big picture. There's a lot of holes to
Speaker 2: fill kinds defense, and I like linebacker a lot because
Speaker 2: they dealt with injuries at the end of last year,
Speaker 2: so a lot of guys rotated in and have experience
Speaker 2: up front. You know, DeShawn han Deron Pain. These guys
Speaker 2: contributed for so long, and I don't think in the
Speaker 2: same way that those guys were established names, you know,
Speaker 2: Raykwon Davis, is that there are other guys in that
Speaker 2: way ready to step in and immediately. The will by
Speaker 2: week four or something like that. But I think early
Speaker 2: on you might see some growing pains. They're gonna kill everybody,
Speaker 2: but growing pains minebackers great. As we agree. Defensive back
Speaker 2: we agree again. It's it's at a point where there
Speaker 2: isn't that one or two names. You're like, yes, they
Speaker 2: have to replace a lot, but they still have Minca,
Speaker 2: they still have Marvel.
Speaker 1: There's not a Minca back there this year, right.
Speaker 2: So they'll be fine. They've recruited crazy Well, Patrick's certain
Speaker 2: and Junior, the best corner in the country steps in
Speaker 2: and should get into a rotation of some kind just
Speaker 2: because they're gonna beating teams thirty five to three.
Speaker 1: Also maybe the national champion of making you and I
Speaker 1: feel old knowing that gosh, he's a Jewie.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we've got some other Yeah, there are other
Speaker 2: candidates right now. I think Auburn's receivers coach is Cody Burns,
Speaker 2: which oo okay, but I am not terribly worried about
Speaker 2: Alabama in a shocking, shocking turn of events. I do
Speaker 2: think the most difficult game will be the Iron Bowl
Speaker 2: because of how much talented beef Auburn has on both
Speaker 2: sides of the ball. And you know, may have the
Speaker 2: best quarterback in the in the conference in Jared Stidham
Speaker 2: going to Death Valley, but it's after a bye. They
Speaker 2: both have a bye the week before. That's going to
Speaker 2: be tricky. But in terms of unexpected trip ups, so
Speaker 2: Auburn it would be an expected one. LSU less expected.
Speaker 2: Mississippi State to me, is is probably the trickiest one,
Speaker 2: just because of they've recruited pretty well. They gave them
Speaker 2: all they could handle last year, and it's a week
Speaker 2: after that LSU game, So give me something there's something
Speaker 2: unexpected about and wild CARDI about Joe moorehead and Starkville.
Speaker 1: Give me a rec give me a final final win total. Here,
Speaker 1: I say twelve and zero. Really going out in a limb.
Speaker 1: I say twelve and oh we got to move on.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about all these other teams too.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, Okay, I'm going to say ten
Speaker 2: and two.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, it's a hot take, right there. Take aaru.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go. You mentioned the Iron Bowl. Now
Speaker 1: that we've given Alabama their fair shake. They were the
Speaker 1: national champion a year ago. Don't defend it. I'm not
Speaker 1: defending it. I am defending it. Sure, I'm owning it.
Speaker 1: Whatever Auburn. Auburn went nine and three a year ago.
Speaker 1: I am torn on Auburn this year because there are
Speaker 1: more things about this team that I like then dislike.
Speaker 1: But the things that I dislike are really pretty big things.
Speaker 1: Do you feel the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing that I that worries me to a
Speaker 2: crazy degree. I'm not as torn as you are.
Speaker 1: Ti.
Speaker 2: I thought I saw a man brought to life. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was warm, he came around like he was dignified.
Speaker 1: Sure, well, Natalie and Bruley up in here. Sure, I look.
Speaker 1: I feel good about Auburn because the defense is seven
Speaker 1: guys back and they're loaded, especially along the line. Kevin
Speaker 1: Steele's gonna have them all tuned up. This will probably
Speaker 1: be one of the better defenses in the country. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and I also feel really good about Jared Stidham because
Speaker 1: he's back along with like his top five wide receivers
Speaker 1: from a year ago, but two of them are hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about that. Actually, Okay, you
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Speaker 2: But I am not torn about the athletic.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not either. I wanted to call out something
Speaker 1: specific that I saw from Justin Ferguson over at the athletic.
Speaker 1: Did you read this about Auburn's depth at wide receiver,
Speaker 1: the roles each guy can play within the malson offense.
Speaker 1: You see it's titled here. I got the title, no Stove,
Speaker 1: no Hastings, no problem. How Auburn can replace the injured
Speaker 1: receiver duo and not miss a beat. Yeah, I wanted
Speaker 1: to I wanted to call this out because you know,
Speaker 1: you and I were researching every team in college football,
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Speaker 2: And they're printed in like May or June. Right, they're
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Speaker 1: Only so many you can look through, and really you're
Speaker 1: not able to get a good idea of true context
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Speaker 1: Ferguson did, he was really useful to me as someone
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Speaker 1: dove in on what we're looking at here at a
Speaker 1: position group, how that position group affects the larger offense
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Speaker 1: least act like I know what I'm talking about these teams.
Speaker 1: This to me was genuinely interesting and useful. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: off now, No. The interesting thing to me about this
Speaker 2: is it provides context. Like you said, and so Eli
Speaker 2: Stove and Will Hastings get hurt over spring acl injuries,
Speaker 2: and Auburn may have the best quarterback in the SEC
Speaker 2: and Jared Stidham, but you're only as good as the
Speaker 2: guys catching your passes. And we know about Ryan Davis,
Speaker 2: we know they've recruited well. But the fact is, you
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Speaker 2: But I'm getting quotes from Ryan Davis about white lightning,
Speaker 2: Will Hastings, I'm getting quotes about how every guys are
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Speaker 2: of reading this I'm a little bit higher on Auburn
Speaker 2: than I was before. This is just incredible, just a
Speaker 2: little bit higher because I like Auburn at quarterback obviously,
Speaker 2: I like how much they return up front. I believe
Speaker 2: in Cam Martin and the still green, but missing running
Speaker 2: backs behind him. The defense is absurd to me. The
Speaker 2: big question was, is there going to be you know,
Speaker 2: a tipped ball that changes the course of a game,
Speaker 2: you know, a receiver offer receiver's hands or something like that.
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Speaker 1: I don't feel good about Auburn because of the schedule
Speaker 1: and because I have real questions about four new starters
Speaker 1: on the offensive line in the SEC.
Speaker 2: That's a problem there, but there is there's a lot
Speaker 2: of experience there too. They were blowing teams out last
Speaker 2: year and there was a lot of rotation. I feel
Speaker 2: better about them than you do.
Speaker 1: That is all fair. Here are the teams that Auburn
Speaker 1: must play. Okay, they've got three top five teams on
Speaker 1: the schedule. None of them are at home. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's tough. That is tough. They got Washington neutral site
Speaker 1: game Week one. Oo. They've got Georgia later in the
Speaker 1: year on the road. They've got Bama later in the
Speaker 1: year on the road. If Auburn were to go like
Speaker 1: two and three over that stretch, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they win the SEC, but they're in the top ten.
Speaker 1: They're a top ten caliber team if they're beaten two
Speaker 1: of those three. There's also a game at the beginning
Speaker 1: of October which will sort of build to our Mississippi
Speaker 1: State capsule next but on the road in Starkville beginning
Speaker 1: of October, to me, strikes me as potentially tricky.
Speaker 2: I would say, so, it's always tricky to go to Starkville.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling nine or ten wins for this Auburn team.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty high on them to the degree that I
Speaker 1: can be for nine or ten wins with that schedule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a hell of an opener. The good thing is,
Speaker 2: I don't think we'll see what textas A and M.
Speaker 2: Looks like ole Miss is going to be tricky just
Speaker 2: because they're going to be a wild card throw the
Speaker 2: ball constantly, put up a ton of points in yards,
Speaker 2: but give up a ton of points and yards. The
Speaker 2: back half of that schedule is definitely trickier and as
Speaker 2: weird as it is to start out with Washington get
Speaker 2: LSU in week three for Auburn, and they generally do
Speaker 2: play LSU early.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: It's not that heavy, and that Mississippi State game on
Speaker 2: the road comes after Southern Miss and before Tennessee at home,
Speaker 2: so it's not surrounded by anything crazy difficult. We expect
Speaker 2: Tennessee to eventually improve into something formidable, but by October thirteenth.
Speaker 1: That's tough.
Speaker 2: The back half of that schedule, that's where it becomes,
Speaker 2: you know, stylistically, a lot of differences. Ole Miss can
Speaker 2: play up tempo texts. A and M is a mystery.
Speaker 2: We don't think they're going to be a blurred offense.
Speaker 2: And then they go to Jor in their cross division rivalry,
Speaker 2: and then two weeks later going to Bama, to Georgia
Speaker 2: and to Bama in a what two week span? Essentially,
Speaker 2: Yeah about that?
Speaker 1: Yea, So it's.
Speaker 2: I have them at Yeah, probably ten and two. But
Speaker 2: there's this weird down year thing about Auburn that I
Speaker 2: don't that I'm never fully on board with. They generally
Speaker 2: only lose to really really good teams. But man, going
Speaker 2: on the road getting none of these teams, it's tough
Speaker 2: on the planes. Yeah, I think I like Washington a
Speaker 2: little bit because of the Chris Peterson factor and how
Speaker 2: slow Gus Melson has started out some septembers. If you
Speaker 2: remember the Clemson game last year, not particularly good for
Speaker 2: Auburn early. They're more of a grower than a show er. Tie.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say ten and two. All right, it's
Speaker 1: still pretty damn good. It's excellent. Well, let's go to
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. Then Mississippi State went eight and four. Their
Speaker 1: coach left, Dan Mullen left to go over to Florida.
Speaker 1: They made the call to bring over friend of the pod,
Speaker 1: former Penn State offensive coordinator, former Fordham head football coach,
Speaker 1: the one the only Joe moorehead Jomo comes into a
Speaker 1: situation where he's got seventeen starters back from a year ago.
Speaker 1: Don't know how much that matters because he is changing
Speaker 1: up the scheme. However, it does help to have some
Speaker 1: degree of chemistry coming back. Almost the entire offense is back,
Speaker 1: and that includes Nick Fitzgerald. Nick Fitzgerald, I've talked about
Speaker 1: him before. He is a bowling ball with eyes. He
Speaker 1: is six' five two thirty ran for almost one thousand
Speaker 1: yards last year and had fourteen touchdowns through for fifteen
Speaker 1: more of. Them he's Got Aris williams in the backfield with.
Speaker 1: Him he ran for eleven hundred. Yard he's also. Back,
Speaker 1: really the only losses on offense are a wide receiver
Speaker 1: and a, tackle AND i feel pretty good about, that
Speaker 1: knowing WHAT i know About Joe. Moore Head, DAN i
Speaker 1: know you're really high On Mississippi state as. Well how
Speaker 1: high are you On Mississippi?
Speaker 2: STATE i am what's the guy who's saying she's so?
Speaker 1: High? Hi Pal? Bachman?
Speaker 2: Oh thank you so, yeah BECAUSE i do Think Mississippi
Speaker 2: state is so. Lovely, okay couple of Things i'm going
Speaker 2: to challenge you, on Please, nick? Please Nick fitzgerald physically,
Speaker 2: TALENTED i would, argue not the greatest year through the,
Speaker 2: air and now he's coming off a pretty horrific broken.
Speaker 1: Ankle that's.
Speaker 2: Fair this is all checking, out and it's not video
Speaker 2: game football where he's, like, well he's out six, weeks
Speaker 2: then he's.
Speaker 1: Back he's.
Speaker 2: GREAT i think there are going to be situations where
Speaker 2: he's not his full athletic. Self Eric williams is probably
Speaker 2: the most underrated running back in this. CONFERENCE i like
Speaker 2: them a lot on, defense although they gave up some
Speaker 2: passing yardage last. Year so if they can get to the,
Speaker 2: quarterback which they should be able to do at like
Speaker 2: a you, Know montes, Sweat Jeffrey simmons really strong on
Speaker 2: the defensive, line the safeties are pretty. Good corner will
Speaker 2: see and then it's ALSO tbd because we're going From
Speaker 2: Todd grantham To Bob, shoop which boy have they been
Speaker 2: a lot of places.
Speaker 1: Recently so they're going.
Speaker 2: To three four to four to. Three so there is,
Speaker 2: novelty both in good and bad ways to this defense
Speaker 2: and this. OFFENSE i, imagine much Like Penn state didn't
Speaker 2: get going immediately With joe, moorehead there is going to
Speaker 2: be a click. MOMENT i hope, it's you, know the
Speaker 2: first play of the first, game but it takes some, time, communication, rhythm.
Speaker 2: Familiarity they do start out with What steven F. Austin
Speaker 2: it's a little bit. Tricky they go To Kansas. State
Speaker 2: there could be some. Silencing it just it's going to
Speaker 2: be a tricky. GAME i think they're better Than Kansas,
Speaker 2: state But kansastate it's a ranked. Team the schedule that's such.
Speaker 1: That week two game is quietly going to be a
Speaker 1: lot of fun At Case state. Hopefully.
Speaker 2: Yeah the schedule is such though that in terms of look,
Speaker 2: ahead letdowns and, sandwiches they have one why to care
Speaker 2: About Missippi. State Dan mullen's coming. Back dan moll is
Speaker 2: coming back early. On they HAVE lsu a week AFTER
Speaker 2: lsu Has georgia and that's a week before The bama,
Speaker 2: bye and then they are At bama a week after
Speaker 2: like we Mentioned. Lsubama so timing's pretty good For Mississippi.
Speaker 2: STATE i think they can get in that nine win. Zone,
Speaker 2: Oh i'm with, You i'm WITH i Am i'm pretty.
Speaker 2: Sold now do we See Tennessee bob shop or do
Speaker 2: we See Penn State Bob? Shoop well TBD t questions asking.
Speaker 1: Here here's All i'm going to. Say All, Right, yeah
Speaker 1: don't underestimate What joe moorehead can do with a somewhat mobile.
Speaker 1: Quarterback understand he's off. INJURY i understand he's a different
Speaker 1: quarterback Than trace mc. Sorely but after about a, month
Speaker 1: this thing is going to come. Together it's going to
Speaker 1: congeal in our your click, game what's, That? Kentucky what
Speaker 1: is your click? Game Probably. Kentucky, yeah Before, florida Before,
Speaker 1: auburn which would be interesting for The florida And auburn.
Speaker 1: Games but just go back and listen to the interview
Speaker 1: That dan did With Joe moorehead earlier this. Year mm. Hmm,
Speaker 1: schematically the dude is brilliant and he's gonna find he's
Speaker 1: gonna find a, way thank, you to scheme around whatever
Speaker 1: deficiencies he. Has there will be a click game For Penn.
Speaker 1: State it was later in the year and it was
Speaker 1: Against minnesota in his first year. There but there will
Speaker 1: be a click game where this all suddenly comes together
Speaker 1: And Mississippi state feels a little bit more. Terrifying, okay
Speaker 1: So i'm with. You nine wins is.
Speaker 2: Doable here here is the question, though or not really a,
Speaker 2: question but here is the. Foreshadowing here's the ominous element
Speaker 2: of the. Show we Have auburn winning nine or. Ten
Speaker 2: we Have alabama winning ten to. Twelve, right and now
Speaker 2: we Have mississippi Winning Missisippi. State excuse me nine. Ish,
Speaker 2: yeah it's got to come from. Somewhere, Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm just you, know keeping you in the the right mind.
Speaker 1: Frame matt has never been our. Specialty that's why we're not.
Speaker 2: Dan we are not mathematics. People all, Right we're we're just.
Speaker 2: Talkers we're. Blabbers where do you want to go? Next,
Speaker 2: uh let's stay in the. State let's Talk Ole. Miss all,
Speaker 2: right talk to me about Old.
Speaker 1: Miss all, RIGHT i Like jordan ta'amu believe it is
Speaker 1: it To amu Or Tamo. TAMU i.
Speaker 2: LISTEN i have Watched hawaiian broadcasts of his exploits At
Speaker 2: Ole miss like local and they all say To, amu To. Amu,
Speaker 2: Yeah So i'm going with. That he can be very,
Speaker 2: good very very. Good he has a nice. Arm he
Speaker 2: plays with. Confidence there are moments where you're, like, OH
Speaker 2: i get why he was A jc backup, yep, total
Speaker 2: there are those.
Speaker 1: Moments.
Speaker 2: Yep Ole miss has probably the best receiver in the
Speaker 2: country IN Aj.
Speaker 1: Brown, yep just.
Speaker 2: Absurd and then behind Him DeMarcus lodge AND Dk metcalf
Speaker 2: are both, very very. Good they've got a pretty good.
Speaker 2: Line their defense is. ATROCIOUS i can't wait to Watch Ole.
Speaker 1: Miss, yeah it's AS tv shows. Go, yeah there are
Speaker 1: gonna be some interesting subplots here Because Ole miss can't
Speaker 1: go to a bowl this. Year now they cannot another
Speaker 1: reason to. Care Ole miss can't go to a bull
Speaker 1: leaving it all out, there And Matt luke has to
Speaker 1: be of the mindset that he's constantly coaching for his.
Speaker 1: JOB i know that they remove the interim, tag but
Speaker 1: there is a chance that he's just like a bridge
Speaker 1: coach to make it through this rough patch and then
Speaker 1: they're going to go. Elsewhere so he's got something to.
Speaker 1: Prove he's an Old miss. Guy they can't go to a.
Speaker 1: Bowl receiving. Core is there three really good? Receivers? Oh
Speaker 1: are they? Ever jordan ta'amu was pretty good last year in.
Speaker 1: Spots he's got.
Speaker 2: Esportually for coming in, halfway you, know just spot duty. Immediate,
Speaker 2: yeah he's got four guys back on the, line WHICH
Speaker 2: i think sets up a pretty nice year throwing the football, defensively,
Speaker 2: though you're, right kind of a.
Speaker 1: Mess gonna need some. Shootouts they're gonna need some shootouts
Speaker 1: if they want to win football games this.
Speaker 2: Year on that, note who do they have In week?
Speaker 2: One let's Talk, dan they go To? Houston do they Play?
Speaker 2: Houston they do. Not do they Play Sam Houston? STATE
Speaker 2: i don't EVEN i believe they're In. Houston they do.
Speaker 1: Not they Play Texas. Tech.
Speaker 2: Yep and if you're looking for A tv Show week, one,
Speaker 2: yep that's sort off. It we're going, deep it's it's
Speaker 2: probably that.
Speaker 1: One come and get your. Points they're AT. Lsu definitely
Speaker 1: not a.
Speaker 2: Rivalry definitely not a rivalry a week before LSU's schedule goes.
Speaker 2: Crazy oh miss schedule is not that bad in terms
Speaker 2: of back to back to. Backs they have the egg
Speaker 2: ball at. Home they will and we've talked about this
Speaker 2: for a couple of years. Now they could be one
Speaker 2: Of america's most fun half. Teams and on that, note
Speaker 2: they'll go six and.
Speaker 1: Six six and. Six, yeah, yeah that feels about, right
Speaker 1: feels about.
Speaker 2: It there's not a lot of Depth and If jordan
Speaker 2: Tom who goes, down It's matt Coral, corral WHO i
Speaker 2: also committed to a bunch of. Schools like so many
Speaker 2: of our favorite quarterbacks around the. Country so, YEAH i
Speaker 2: think The philongo offense will be, fun but they feel
Speaker 2: like one of those teams that as much as they
Speaker 2: bring to the, table they also take.
Speaker 1: Off let's go To. Arkansas hell, YEAH i wanted to
Speaker 1: start with The. Hogs new Coach Chad morris comes over FROM.
Speaker 1: Smu he's got seventeen guys back from a year. Ago
Speaker 1: the schedule is rangely, good strangely, good at least in
Speaker 1: terms of sec road, tilts because in terms of true road,
Speaker 1: games they Got Auburn september twenty, second and then they're
Speaker 1: not on the road again at all Until november seventeenth
Speaker 1: At Mississippi state and then the following week there At.
Speaker 2: Missouri but, yeah they do have a really like crazy long.
Speaker 1: Stretch it's really. Strange there is a game In arlington
Speaker 1: AGAINST a AND m at the end Of, september, right
Speaker 1: and there's also a game Against Ole miss In Little
Speaker 1: rock In, october which is like the seventieth anniversary of the.
Speaker 1: STADIUM i can't remember, that.
Speaker 2: Right but say they'll play In Little rock.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, yeah so they're not like at home per se every,
Speaker 1: game but in terms of true road, games it's slim
Speaker 1: pickens out there and it is strangely. Workable on, OFFENSE
Speaker 1: i got a lot, back AND i Think Chad morris
Speaker 1: is going to have him played. Hard it will be
Speaker 1: more wide open than it has been Under Brett, bilima
Speaker 1: because that's just Who Chad. Morris, YEAH i mean They
Speaker 1: arkansas did throw it a ton last. Year they, did,
Speaker 1: absolutely but this is going to, BE i, think a
Speaker 1: totally different, scheme more wide. Open if you're An arkansas,
Speaker 1: fan if you're AN sec fan or just a college football,
Speaker 1: fan you should care about that Because Chad morris has
Speaker 1: coached really fun, offenses so there's something for. You and then,
Speaker 1: DEFENSIVELY i don't know exactly what we're going to, get
Speaker 1: but there is a lot, back including the top four
Speaker 1: tacklers from twenty. Seventeen and then they also bring In
Speaker 1: John chavis to get the house In, hooder WHICH i
Speaker 1: feel like is Something i've said at least fifteen times
Speaker 1: over the last ten. Years, hey bringing In John chavis
Speaker 1: to put something in, Order but that to me would
Speaker 1: seemingly indicate some level of improvement on that, defense and
Speaker 1: that's much needed For arkansas because defensively they've been a.
Speaker 2: Mess and that begs the question are you pumped about
Speaker 2: twenty Eighteen John? Chavis maybe could be maybe if like you,
Speaker 2: know who ties Dating Pam, Anderson like that's that's the,
Speaker 2: question that's the. Problem hopefully maybe kind Of, YEAH i
Speaker 2: could see it being. Interesting arkansas starts out with a
Speaker 2: tricky ish non conference. Schedule they go To Colorado state
Speaker 2: in that new stadium that kJ Carta Samuel's life, boom
Speaker 2: and they Host Mason Fine Seth latrell Tricky North texas.
Speaker 2: Team arkansas should win at least that second game Against North, texas.
Speaker 1: But not a.
Speaker 2: Walkover and you're, right the strangely nice stretch where they
Speaker 2: don't have true road games and what is that like
Speaker 2: Late september until Early november they really figured it all. Out,
Speaker 2: Yeah my big questions aside from twenty Eighteen John chavison
Speaker 2: comparing him to a centerfold for whatever, REASON i regretted.
Speaker 1: It immediately AFTER i did.
Speaker 2: It Cole kelly fun to look, at but is he
Speaker 2: actually good.
Speaker 1: At throwing the?
Speaker 2: Ball we don't know that part of, it right because
Speaker 2: he's six four hundred and.
Speaker 1: He is a. Tank what he's? Like what is he six'
Speaker 1: eight like two? SIXTY five i think he might only be,
Speaker 1: sixty seven but we can go with six' eight if. You,
Speaker 1: want oh he is this year Is.
Speaker 2: Brock osweiler he tite will be noted more than. Anybody
Speaker 2: else he's Competing Against. Ty Story jared cornelius is back.
Speaker 2: And healthy they have a couple of big losses on.
Speaker 2: The Line frank ragnow was excellent last Year And all
Speaker 2: american and. He's Gone but i'm strangely drawn To this. Arkansas,
Speaker 2: TEAM yeah i know what. It is they don't have
Speaker 2: a RUNNING back. I love they've got a couple receivers
Speaker 2: who are. PRETTY good i think they could be ANOTHER
Speaker 2: wild cardi. Type team but with what they bring back
Speaker 2: on defense and what they don't have, On defense and
Speaker 2: EVEN though i know there's, some fun little trappiness to,
Speaker 2: their schedule They have auburn a Week, AFTER, auburn lsu
Speaker 2: They host elis a Week. After lsubama they feel five
Speaker 2: and seven for the.
Speaker 1: TIME being i see five, and seven six. AND six
Speaker 1: i do think. They'll improve and you MENTIONED the. Lsu
Speaker 1: game we've been talking all off season About how arkansas
Speaker 1: has a level of pluckiness to them where they're gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna. Beat somebody. Mm hmm the team they're gonna BEAT,
Speaker 1: is lsu and it's gonna Be on. November, Tenth, whoa
Speaker 1: okay why it's one WEEK after lsu is home against.
Speaker 2: Shades of WHAT, Run, dmc yeah and what they did
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago when they were just magically
Speaker 2: good for the back half of.
Speaker 1: THE season lsu is Home. Against bama the next week
Speaker 1: they Travel. To, Arkansas okay i'm not very HIGH, on
Speaker 1: lsu and we could talk about my hot TAKE on lsu,
Speaker 1: here MOMENTARILY but i agree with you On. ON arkansas
Speaker 1: I think i think six and six, at best more
Speaker 1: like five and seven probably where some more of those
Speaker 1: mathematically inevitable as are coming from IN The. Sec, west,
Speaker 1: yes fair fair, to say, mm hmmm where do you
Speaker 1: want to? Go?
Speaker 2: Next uh you had spicy things SAY, About LSU so
Speaker 2: i say we.
Speaker 1: GO there lsu nine. And three last year we got
Speaker 1: ten starters back.
Speaker 2: Quietly pretty nice the back half of the season after
Speaker 2: they made. Some, Adjustments, Definitely Yeah No, Danny, Etling No, DARIUS.
Speaker 1: Dice i insist he was. Pretty, Good No, darius geice
Speaker 1: which is a bigger it was. Very. Good yeah this
Speaker 1: year we've got a four way. Quarterback BATTLE m, m
Speaker 1: yeah four With the.
Speaker 2: NAJA quad i don't know quat, QUAD coat i don't.
Speaker 2: Know what how do you say Four? In french look? That,
Speaker 2: UP okay i Think It's unduta. Kott sign yeah, all,
Speaker 2: right sorry got to rel With. My french We've Got.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow Versus. Miles brennans this is justin McMillan Versus
Speaker 1: llewell narcis. Good name. That's four the smart money seems
Speaker 1: to Be On, joe burrow even though we opened practice
Speaker 1: with the fourth team this. Past weekend orgeron's pretty. High
Speaker 1: him here's. The quote we'll find Out what joe. Can
Speaker 1: do he's. Very smart we talked to. His coaches they.
Speaker 1: Loved him he Was Mister Ohio. Football sam he's, six three.
Speaker 1: Two twenty he. Loves football, mm Hmm, THANKS ed I
Speaker 1: have i have questions, about That so i'll refer back
Speaker 1: to a question we got on. Our SUBREDDIT, m hm
Speaker 1: because apparently word has leaked Out that i'm not very
Speaker 1: HIGH on lsu and there are other people. Out there
Speaker 1: i'm not the. Only one but the Question from, averballer,
Speaker 1: was well why are you down ON? On Lsu joe
Speaker 1: burrow should, be good should be why at least as Good,
Speaker 1: at well that's. My, question yeah where is the empirical
Speaker 1: evidence that we Have That joe burrow is going to
Speaker 1: be any Better. Than, dannyeteling yeah so You know Danny
Speaker 1: a ling led them to nine and three. Last year.
Speaker 1: THAT'S great i must Insist that Danny at ling was.
Speaker 1: Pretty good if you, say, so, Sure okay but, You
Speaker 1: know i'm sorry if you tell me that we're starting
Speaker 1: from a POINT where lsu has a four way. Quarterback
Speaker 1: battle just KNOWING where lsu has been at the quarterback
Speaker 1: position the last couple, of years that does not leave
Speaker 1: me feeling. Very confident. I'm sorry and then, beyond that
Speaker 1: we've got an entirely. New backfield they're new. At receiver
Speaker 1: there's a, brutal schedule by, the way with a ton
Speaker 1: of pressure On ed orgeron to win. And, win now
Speaker 1: listen to these neutral Psyche game week One, against Miami,
Speaker 1: at Auburn At Florida georgia bama after its, bye week
Speaker 1: and THEN at a and m to close out.
Speaker 2: The year by the way that MY emmy lsu game
Speaker 2: is sort of that it's. Always good by the way
Speaker 2: to talk about visual memes. Out, loud yeah but it's
Speaker 2: that sort of. Spider man i'm you hear me pointing
Speaker 2: at each other because ooh dangerous, fast defense quarterback questions
Speaker 2: a game Breaking Receiver jonathan Giles And. Amon richards WHO
Speaker 2: am i talking? About that there's a lot, of similarities
Speaker 2: and then you look at coaches and it stops.
Speaker 1: SIMILARITIES end i didn't even Mention the, arkansas game by, The,
Speaker 1: way yeah which. Terrifies ME so i am looking AT this.
Speaker 1: Lsu team they're gonna be fine, on defense by. THE
Speaker 1: way i think there'd be more. Than fine they're gonna
Speaker 1: be fine. On you by, the way double. Dood, ALERT
Speaker 1: whoa i improvised that and shut it off in, the
Speaker 1: middle but double dood alert on Defense With, devin white
Speaker 1: who had one hundred and thirty three tackles as a sophomore.
Speaker 2: Last, year yeah he is the dude.
Speaker 1: ACCORDING to i don't know if you SAW The espn
Speaker 1: top fifty that they put. OUT there i DID not
Speaker 1: espn rank the top fifty college, football Players And devin
Speaker 1: white was. Twenty Seventh greedy williams a great nickname in,
Speaker 1: college football especially for. A cornerback he Had six picks
Speaker 1: a year ago as a red. Shirt freshman he's number
Speaker 1: thirty seven on THAT same. Espn list they've got some
Speaker 1: really high. Level talent the defense will be, really good.
Speaker 1: No doubt did you see?
Speaker 2: NUMBER eight i have it in front of me. Right
Speaker 2: now who's?
Speaker 1: Number Eight, Lowell Narcis, Lowell Narsys Lowell. Narsis, lowell oh It.
Speaker 2: Is, Lowell okay lowell Narsis future.
Speaker 1: Samford quarterback my hot take is that LSU's going six
Speaker 1: and Six, and okay they're going to Lose, to Miami,
Speaker 1: to Auburn, to Florida, To, georgia tobama and Then. To
Speaker 1: arkansas those are your. Six losses oh that's my. Hot, TAKE.
Speaker 2: Yeah I mean lsu does Lose to arkansas sometimes every.
Speaker 2: So often they're Just. Gonna arkansas that's just how the.
Speaker 2: UNIVERSE works, i think what do, you say six? And
Speaker 2: six six? AND six i think they can go seven.
Speaker 2: AND five i think if we can find a way
Speaker 2: to Dress ole miss offensive PLAYERS in, lsu uniforms AND
Speaker 2: dress lsu defensive players And ole miss uniforms and just
Speaker 2: figure out, a timeshare that's ideal. FOR everybody i am
Speaker 2: NOT particularly i know that the offensive line is back
Speaker 2: in a lot healthier than they were. LAST year i
Speaker 2: really really like the Audition Of. JONATHAN giles i thought
Speaker 2: he had some extraordinary Moments For, texas tech so he
Speaker 2: comes in as a transfer. Up front, on defense there's
Speaker 2: a ton to like about this defensive line and the
Speaker 2: fact that this is now what year Three Under, dave
Speaker 2: randa so more and more. Installation there their linebacking course
Speaker 2: should be, very good their secondary should be very.
Speaker 1: VERY good i.
Speaker 2: When looking at, their, SCHEDULE though i think there is
Speaker 2: something to what.
Speaker 1: You're saying.
Speaker 2: We have no Idea What joe burrow is going to
Speaker 2: look like throwing Into the, miami defense Away From, baton
Speaker 2: rouge Into the, auburn defense Into the, florida defense in,
Speaker 2: the swamp Into the, georgia defense Into the. Bama defense
Speaker 2: we know what he'll look like throwing Into the, arkansas
Speaker 2: Defense because i've seen everybody and what they look like Throwing.
Speaker 2: INTO texas A and m might have a. Pretty scale they're.
Speaker 2: Finally experienced we'll get to them next up front and
Speaker 2: everywhere on. That defense so What If joe burrow is
Speaker 2: a backup quarterback like he, Has been what If he's
Speaker 2: Joe Dirt.
Speaker 1: Joey Burr's so.
Speaker 2: I'm more seven, and five eight and four because of,
Speaker 2: line playing because of, that defense but not a confident version.
Speaker 2: Of that i'm hedging. Pretty, significantly yeah immediate losses to Me,
Speaker 2: Are Auburn. Georgia obama Definitely that i'm writing off three.
Speaker 2: Games immediately so THAT'S where i stand. Right now but
Speaker 2: there's a lot to like on. That defense there's a.
Speaker 2: Whole bunch you double duded it for. A.
Speaker 1: Reason yeah they're very good. On defense they have some
Speaker 1: really elite caliber players, on defense and that's always fun.
Speaker 1: To watch that will keep them in games that, will
Speaker 1: definitely most assuredly make my six and six prediction look
Speaker 1: silly at some point when they go nine.
Speaker 2: To, Three OKAY and I just i reminded myself by
Speaker 2: saying dude but not actually issuing Adode Alert naj Harris.
Speaker 2: FROM alabama I mean i fawned over. Him, already yeah
Speaker 2: it's it's. Very boring and SO then i will double
Speaker 2: it up, with ooh because you, double DUDED and i
Speaker 2: can't live a life in which you're out. Duding Me, Ty,
Speaker 2: yeah Okay so i'm Gonna Say derek, brown upfront frog.
Speaker 1: Very good that is. A dude, All right so that's
Speaker 1: so there we sort, of disagree but this insability. Is
Speaker 1: good be SIMILAR. On lsu, all right let's Go TO
Speaker 1: texas A. And M THEN texas A and m seven
Speaker 1: to five a, year ago and now They've Got jimbo
Speaker 1: fisher who comes Over From. Florida state it's a, monster
Speaker 1: contract ten. Year contract he inherits a team that has. Sixteen.
Speaker 1: Starters back the QUESTION that, i have the REASON that,
Speaker 1: i care is this Question that i'm going to.
Speaker 2: Ask, You okay. I'm ready the answer Is THE magna
Speaker 2: carta was signed in.
Speaker 1: Fifteen Twelve DOES texas A and m get to seven wins? This?
Speaker 1: Year yes?
Speaker 2: They, do okay let's talk is they Don't play. Clemson early,
Speaker 2: That's right i'm.
Speaker 1: ALL in i think you have to like the state
Speaker 1: of the TRENCHES at A, and m especially on offense four. Offensive.
Speaker 1: LINEMEN back I thought i saw a quote or an
Speaker 1: article written Somewhere That jimbo fisher feels pretty good about
Speaker 1: the state of both of. His lines i'd like, to.
Speaker 2: Apologize Ty the magna cart was signed in, twelve fifteen not,
Speaker 2: Fifteen twelve AND now i feel like.
Speaker 1: An idiot, Close, enough, okay continue the defense is going
Speaker 1: to get Better Because mike elko has a track record
Speaker 1: for quick. Turnaround jobs he did a good Job, at
Speaker 1: wake really good job At A Notre dame Bowling. Green
Speaker 1: shure now he inherits a defense that is eight. Guys
Speaker 1: back that gives him a really good. Starting point so
Speaker 1: they're gonna better on. Defense too. M h those are
Speaker 1: two really good reasons to feel good to care About
Speaker 1: What jimbo fisher can DO at A.
Speaker 2: And M pam anderson Out AS texas A and m.
Speaker 2: Defensive coordinator that, Is.
Speaker 1: RIGHT okay i do worry about the talent on, Offense,
Speaker 1: though okay especially against the schedule that's really just. Complete
Speaker 1: murder listen. To this they Play both Clemson, and bama And,
Speaker 1: AT bama i, should say in the first month of,
Speaker 1: the season within like, Two weeks they've got a Game At,
Speaker 1: south carolina which is, no Picnic At, mississippi state which
Speaker 1: are pretty, high on and Then. At auburn you could
Speaker 1: really make a case those are five guaranteed losses. RIGHT There, I,
Speaker 1: Clemson Bama, South, CAROLINA. Auburn, LSU yeah i wouldn't say,
Speaker 1: guaranteed now tough though it is murder. It, Is yes
Speaker 1: i'm not.
Speaker 2: As concerned I've Seen trevion williams succeed on a pretty,
Speaker 2: significant level albeit it was now two. Years Ago Losing
Speaker 2: christian kirk is a. Big deal they've, recruited really really well,
Speaker 2: at RECEIVER so i just assume at a certain point
Speaker 2: this passing game be It with Kellen mond Er. NICK
Speaker 2: starkle I Assume nick starkle is probably better Suited for,
Speaker 2: jimbo's offense but. WE'LL see i assume receivers are going
Speaker 2: to step up because they've recruited, too well not to
Speaker 2: whoever's in at quarterback should have time behind. This line
Speaker 2: i'm not a big believer in them early That that
Speaker 2: clemson game feels like a, write off but it's what
Speaker 2: It's At, kyle, Field. Right yep it's a difficult place.
Speaker 2: To play this is an. Experienced defense they had a
Speaker 2: couple at least two or three what defensive line, and
Speaker 2: Back and i'm not ready to give Up On. Daylon
Speaker 2: mack i'm. JUST not i think their secondary is. PRETTY
Speaker 2: good i like. Their linebackers there's a ton of. Experience
Speaker 2: there and to, Your Point mike elcho's. COACHING them i
Speaker 2: expect this team to be more solid than they've been
Speaker 2: these past couple.
Speaker 1: OF years i would agree.
Speaker 2: WITH that i think we'd always felt like we Were
Speaker 2: DISCUSSING texas A, and, m, like man they're all freshmen, out,
Speaker 2: there yeah and now they're all juniors.
Speaker 1: And seniors they were always very, Combustible, too yeah, you
Speaker 1: know and mister Six. AND oh i don't know if
Speaker 1: it was the Way that kevin someone ran the team
Speaker 1: or perhaps we're a bit shaded in our opinions After
Speaker 1: The johnny, manzel era which was certainly a little, Bit
Speaker 1: controversial but there always felt like there was a combustible
Speaker 1: nature to what was being Built In. College STATION and
Speaker 1: i think what we're going to get Now With jimbo
Speaker 1: fisher is really an evening out. Of that they're going
Speaker 1: to be much much better just as a baseline unit
Speaker 1: than we've seen over the course of the last. Three
Speaker 1: years so that's good news moving FORWARD for A. And
Speaker 1: m they're not going to get Rid Of jimbo fisher.
Speaker 1: Anytime soon he's signed for. AN eternity i think he's
Speaker 1: going to be really. Good, THERE oh, i agree he's.
Speaker 1: A quarterback i agree he may not get to seven wins,
Speaker 1: this year but he will get there. Before long THIS
Speaker 1: much i can guarantee you as, a certainty and they
Speaker 1: will MAKE The sec west all the more difficult knowing
Speaker 1: that he's there and knowing what he's capable. Of building
Speaker 1: it just might not be. This year i'm going to
Speaker 1: say eight. And four how? About? That, whoa?
Speaker 2: Yeah whoa how? About, that listen there's something to me
Speaker 2: about having a what should be a pretty, good defense
Speaker 2: a tough place, to play a home, field advantage really
Speaker 2: good recruiting these past.
Speaker 1: FEW years i think.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a situation where the tools were, always
Speaker 2: there you just needed perhaps a more.
Speaker 1: Skilled carpenter i'm gonna say seven. And, five okay seven,
Speaker 1: And five so there, You, Go, Alabama Auburn, Mississippi STATE
Speaker 1: texas A, And mlsu Arkansas and Ole miss the math.
Speaker 1: Checks out don't, Bother. Checking dan we also have another
Speaker 1: conference we need to discuss here very quickly on, The, Program, yes.
Speaker 2: Ty will you please drop that stanky we but now
Speaker 2: we're talking about The, fun belt The, Sun, belt yeah.
Speaker 2: So quickly The sun belt should be. Pretty fun there
Speaker 2: are elements of most of these teams that have. Me
Speaker 2: intrigued and if we're starting at, The Top troy trojans
Speaker 2: are now without two guys who seem like they've been
Speaker 2: there since nineteen, Ninety Seven brandon Silver's And. Jordan chun
Speaker 2: but their offense will. Be fine last year's defense was
Speaker 2: excellent and they it was like top fifteen in, the
Speaker 2: country and they return a good amount of that and
Speaker 2: it will be great and that should. Scare everybody it
Speaker 2: should also scare People That neil brown is Still, In. Troy,
Speaker 2: alabama Yeah so troy. Is interesting Appstate Loses, nate woody their,
Speaker 2: Defensive coordinator they lose a lot on. That, Defense Offensively
Speaker 2: taylor lamb, is gone who's been their. Quarterback Forever But
Speaker 2: jalen moore is still. Very fun and they Open At
Speaker 2: penn state and they Close, with troy so their schedule
Speaker 2: is bracketed with their two most. Difficult opponents aside from those,
Speaker 2: two teams there's a lot. Of UGLINESS like I Like
Speaker 2: justice hanson a whole Bunch At. Arkansas state his receiving corps.
Speaker 2: Is great he might have the smallest running back in,
Speaker 2: The country Warren. Wand land beyond That the, louisiana schools
Speaker 2: so that Would. Be louisiana don't Call Them. Louisiana laviette whatever,
Speaker 2: you do don't Call Them. Louisiana lafayette they their fun offense,
Speaker 2: is back except. For quarterback billionapier is a. New Quarterback
Speaker 2: herm edwards really thought he had him as offensive coordinator
Speaker 2: and then he left as soon as he could for
Speaker 2: the Job.
Speaker 1: In. LAFAYETTE.
Speaker 2: Louisiana Ulm caleb evans was. Pretty Good marcus green. Super
Speaker 2: Fun the louisiana schools have, garbage defenses just utter piles,
Speaker 2: of trash which that game should be so.
Speaker 1: Fun time.
Speaker 2: Aside, From that pennyhart is Still At georgia state and
Speaker 2: he should be feared at. All Moments georgia southern has
Speaker 2: the triple option once Again With willie fritz's, former protege so.
Speaker 2: That's something, And Hey joe mowgli is Back At, coastal
Speaker 2: carolina sitting out last year with with a. Health issue
Speaker 2: he's back and he's of course if you remember the
Speaker 2: weird situation where he Was the nebraska special coaching assistant
Speaker 2: because HE created td bank and is now a head
Speaker 2: coach and so hopefully must be, Nice, ty yeah must.
Speaker 2: BE nice td Stands for Tye. And dan aside, from
Speaker 2: that there's not a ton to care about with The.
Speaker 2: Sun belt but that's enough. For me i'm going to
Speaker 2: Watch some. Sunbell games you, got it?
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