1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rad and iHeartRadio 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: and two time People's Choice Award winning podcast. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, we are scrubbing In. We have a very 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: exciting guest today. She really, I would say, is the 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: embodiment of what we strive for this podcust. 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 3: To me, she is the embodiment of modern woman energy. 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 4: She was a CMO at Netflix, CMO at Uber. I mean, 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 4: she has just done so many things. She's on the 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 4: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, She's now on this new 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 4: show on Brand with Jimmy Fallon. 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 5: She has a book, she has her own hair Caroline. 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 3: I mean, the list goes on and on and on. 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 5: I don't really feel like I feel like we should 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 5: just get right into talking to her. 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 4: Yes, no, no, no stalling needed, No stalling needed. 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 5: Everyone welcome, buzz and mus saying, John, we have been 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 5: so excited to have you on the podcast. You are 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 5: someone you know, Tanya's what your tagline? Your mission is 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 5: modern woman Yeah, energy, and I can't think of someone 20 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 5: who has who represents that more that we've had on 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 5: the podcast. 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: Thank you well, because I feel like, Okay, so you 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: have this new show, you have so much going on. 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 6: I have so much going on, so I do want to. 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 4: Dive into because I also hate the question of like 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 4: how do you do it all? Because nobody asks a 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 4: man that. So it's like, I don't really like you're 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 4: doing it all. Yes, you're doing all these things. I'm 29 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 4: doing it, But I feel like, so for people that 30 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 4: may not watch The Real Housewives or may not know you, 31 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 4: you are such a powerhouse business woman, like you have 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 4: done so much and particularly in marketing. Yes, how did 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 4: you get your start in all of this? 34 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: Ah, it's such a it's such a strange question to 35 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: me because it's like I don't know one marketer who's like, oh, 36 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: I went to school and studied marketing right right, anybody 37 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: who says that, you know, Like, you know, I was 38 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: in English and FM studies major with who was also 39 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: pre med. 40 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 5: You know. 41 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: So I was going to med school and I took 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: the MCAT like I did. I was doing all the things, 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: and I decided to take a year between undergrad and 44 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: going to med school. And I was from College Springs, Colorado. 45 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: I went to school in Connecticut. I was like, Okay, 46 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to New York City trying to 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: see what that's about. I knew one person there, like 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: one person, and she had graduated the year before me, 49 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: and she was at Columbia Film School getting her master's. 50 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: And so I struck up a deal because also my 51 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: parents were like, we are absolutely not funding them. 52 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 6: I don't even know what you think you're doing. 53 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: And I made a deal with her and her roommate 54 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: that if they let me sleep on the couch, I 55 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 1: would and if they bought the food, I would cook 56 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: and clean, okay, And so that was our agreement. And 57 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: I just founded the pavement and called the temp agencies 58 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: and did odd jobs, you know, hoping and praying that 59 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: I would just make enough money so that I went 60 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: starve and could make it through the year and sort 61 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: of just give myself some space where I went to 62 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: med school because I knew that once you get to 63 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: med school, that's twelve years, you know what I mean 64 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: of like life that you are studying and working and 65 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: not sleeping until you have your own like you know, 66 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: your career that you can not relax in, but you know, 67 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: you just have a little more normalcy. And I just 68 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: wasn't ready to do any of that. And so one day, 69 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: like the magic destiny moment happened, right, which I feel 70 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: like happens for all of us, just some of us 71 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: miss it. And I called the Temp agency and they 72 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: told me that Spike Lee had fired his assistant and 73 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: that he needed someone to come and answer the phones 74 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: at the reception for a few days. I said, great, fantastic, 75 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: And I go there and it's not his production company. 76 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: It's a new ad agency that he's opened in partnership 77 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: with DDB Worldwide. Ddb's the agency that Madmen was made on, 78 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: and so it's storied. I mean it's like on Madison Avenue. 79 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: It's between forty ninth and fiftieth. I mean it is 80 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: prime time, you know. 81 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 6: And so I walk in there and it is just. 82 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: Like classic advertising space, like everybody's creative. 83 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 6: Spike is smart and sharp, you know, he walks in 84 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 6: the door. You can feel the aura. 85 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: And that day he walked in, he looked at me 86 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: and he was just like, God, damn it. They sent 87 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: us Miss America, you know, because I was sitting there 88 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: with like my hair like pulled back in the tight buns, 89 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: prying like the only suit I had, which happened to 90 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: be gray and polyester. And that is not a made 91 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: up story, okay, and my little pearls because I want 92 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: to be professional. 93 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 6: And I looked at him kind of. 94 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: Like, you must not know who I am, first of all, 95 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: to be twenty two again, you know what I mean? 96 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because I literally just like 97 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: Miss America. I was like, I'm a triple major from Wesleyan. 98 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm studying English and African American studies. I've read all 99 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: of the big authors everyone that you would know and 100 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: that you've read, I've written about them. 101 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 6: And I'm also going to med school, so I don't 102 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 6: know who you're talking to you. 103 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: And he was carrying this, you know, stack of paper 104 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: under his arm, and I was like, and what is that, sir? 105 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: And he said it was his new script for Vamboozoo. 106 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: First of all, the fact that he was even answering 107 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: my questions is also, I think just a matter of 108 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: shock that he had because he was just like, hold on, 109 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: so she was Miss America and now she's got a 110 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: mouse on her and she's saying all kind of stuff. 111 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 6: And I just asked him if I. 112 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: Could read it, and so he kind of like incredulously, 113 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, threw it on the desk and I went home, 114 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: I took a red pen to it. 115 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 6: I marked it up. 116 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: I gave him points on character development and grammar, SENTI structure. 117 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 6: And I took him back to the office like a 118 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 6: couple of days later. 119 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: It was supposed to be my last day, right answering 120 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: the phones, and he literally was like looked at me 121 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: like he was gonna strangle me. 122 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 6: I mean, he was just like, you took a red 123 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 6: pen to my script, Like are you out of your mind? 124 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, I didn't know. That's not 125 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 6: what I was supposed to do. 126 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: By the way, the office was like open floor plan type, 127 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: and so when I tell you that, everybody had held 128 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: their breath, you know. 129 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 6: And that's when I knew I was in trouble because 130 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 6: I was like, oh, oh, was I not supposed to 131 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 6: do that? 132 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: So he grabs a script, he stomps off into his office. 133 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: He had, like the one office that had a door, 134 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: slams it. 135 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 6: I'm sitting there and I'm. 136 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: Thinking like, do I take my purse now and leave 137 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: or do I wait to be told to leave, you 138 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I was just kind of 139 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: sitting there tense waiting. It felt like I had waited 140 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: for like four hours, but I swear it was probably 141 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. And he opens the door and he was like, 142 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: he made some good points. You should stick around. 143 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 6: Wow, And that was it. 144 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: The rest is history. Like twenty five years later, I'm 145 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: still in the business. 146 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 5: So was your mentality like you do you not find 147 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 5: situations or people intimidating in the sense of feeling emboldened 148 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 5: to ask questions? Or did was that like youth and 149 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 5: just being I think. 150 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: It's a combination of things. I think it's a combination 151 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: of like naivete and also nurture. Ye know, my parents 152 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: are very bold. My dad was a orphan by the 153 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: time he was fourteen, from a very small village in 154 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: the western part of Ghana. Like there is no percentage 155 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: for people like him who make it out of there. 156 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't exist, you know. And very very long story short. 157 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: He has two PhDs, moves to the US, raised four daughters. 158 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: I mean, like it just boldness is part of the DNA, 159 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, you have to have SMA audacity in order 160 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: to think that, like, oh, I'm from this place and 161 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: no one is gonna tell me that I can't make no. Yeah, 162 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: and my mother much the same. I mean, she's a 163 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: fashion designer by trade. She chose to be a homemaker 164 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: and she you know, it's like she never let me 165 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: sit in like any kind of wallow. Yeah, you know, 166 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: like when we moved to Caldo Springs, Colorado's I was 167 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: I was twelve, and we were coming straight from Ghana, 168 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: although we had lived in many places before that and 169 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: had a very strong self like sense of self, you know, 170 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: and I was very surprised by my classmates and by 171 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: the teachers or even my principal, who were. 172 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 6: Just like they had this pity for me. 173 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: Oh you know, like it's poor thing she's come from Africa, right, 174 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: because what they saw right was like freaking nineteen eighty nine, 175 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: they had Sally's brothers on TV talking about these children 176 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: are worth once. 177 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 6: In a day. By the way, the commercials still exists. 178 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 6: I hate those, oh yeah. 179 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, you've got the distended bellies 180 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: and figs on eyes and it's like the mission trips 181 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: and let's go dig a Well, oh. 182 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 6: My god, are you kidding me? Is that the only 183 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 6: thing that you know about Africa? 184 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 5: Yeah? 185 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: Like you don't know that it like started civilization, that 186 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: the clothes you're wearing right now that the weaving method 187 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: came from Africa? Are you not aware of like music 188 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: and food and like fashion and sports? Like are you 189 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: not aware? And I knew that at twelve, Like I 190 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: looked at those people were just like, why. 191 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 6: Are you feel sorry for me? Yeah? 192 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, your English is so good. I'm like, 193 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: we speak five languages. I'm like, are you talking about 194 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: you know? And so I think a combination of yes, 195 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: nurture for sure, and then also the nature of who 196 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: my parents are in the DNA that I have have 197 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: made me very bold. But then on top of it, 198 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: like my like cause you can be given those things 199 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: and then not do anything right. Yeah, So I do 200 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: take some credit for who I am. 201 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 5: Right, Like, you get the tools and how you use them, yeah, and. 202 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 6: You cannot apply them right, you can decide not to 203 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 6: do anything with it. 204 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 5: I think that fear also paralyzes, you know, the fear 205 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 5: of one thing. I feel like that my family is 206 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 5: something that I've seen and like just the trajectory of 207 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 5: my family is the fear of trying something and failing, 208 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 5: as opposed to thinking, just try it and if it happened, made. 209 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 6: Real stick, you know. 210 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, But I do think it is interesting because our education, 211 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 5: our education system, that. 212 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 6: Is what we saw absolutely. So people see, yeah, people 213 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 6: see which is today. 214 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: But I tell people that, like, you know, I take 215 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of friends with me to Ghana every year 216 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: every December. I mean when I say I'm taking friends, 217 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: I take one hundred and twenty five people. Wow, I mean, 218 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: and we are having a good time. 219 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 6: And I cannot tell you. 220 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: Just yesterday I had this conversation, you know where somebody's 221 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: just like, ooh, so, you know, like, what's like am 222 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: I going to And I'm like, you backpacked through Europe 223 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: when you were freaking like nineteen Okay, you were staying 224 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: in hostels. 225 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 6: I'm telling you that there's a five star hotel. 226 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: You'll be driven around like we're gonna be part of 227 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: drinking bove. 228 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 6: Okay, You're worried about Africa. Look you are you serious 229 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 6: right now? 230 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 5: You know? 231 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 1: So it's just like it's still I feel like that 232 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: conversation has really not changed that much because you know, unfortunately, 233 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: Africa has been the victim of bad marketing for four 234 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: hundred plus years, and so I think that it would 235 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: change overnight. No, of course not, but I think it 236 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 1: requires people like me, people who have grown up on 237 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: the continent, people who are curious about the continent. 238 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 6: To actually change any of that understanding and behavior. Well, yeah, 239 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 6: to educate yourself into like hell yeah, yeah, it's interesting 240 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 6: and go to the freaking Himalayas. Don't know anybody over there. 241 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: Why did you know that you could go to Egypt, 242 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, or go to Tanzania, Like, I don't understand why. 243 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 4: It's interesting though, that you said marketing marketing for Africa, 244 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 4: Like I because of like your position and kind of 245 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 4: like where you've been in your profession. Do you do 246 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 4: you kind of look at everything through a marketing everything everything. 247 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 6: Because everything is It's so true, everything is. 248 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: Do you feel like marketing is is the the end 249 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: all be all for any business? 250 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, it's it's the it's the center. It's 251 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 6: like it's like it's like. 252 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: It's like fail or not fail based on marketing. 253 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: Based on marketing. Absolutely, you can have and there are 254 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: so many examples. You can have the best products on 255 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: the planet. If it's marketing badly, you fail. 256 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 6: Right, you know what I mean? Like there's rarely any 257 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 6: product that succeeds to any kind of like real level 258 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 6: with bad marketing with that without any good marketing. 259 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to tell people that are listening, and 260 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 4: I want to get it right in terms of like 261 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 4: your creds, but in terms of your CMO of huge 262 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 4: companies Netflix. 263 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 6: Uber, More Music. 264 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: I mean, so these are all these are all. 265 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 4: Huge companies with lots of success. Yes, But are you 266 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 4: somebody that when you're kind of like, do you ever 267 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 4: scroll on social media and like see businesses, new businesses 268 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 4: and be like, oh, I want to like I wish 269 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 4: I could talk to them, right, I do. 270 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 6: That all the time. Do you really my job at uber? 271 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 3: Oh you reach out to them? 272 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 6: Yeah? Because I was like, first of. 273 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: All, I'm a nerd of this, you know, like I 274 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: am the person who goes to the cocktail party and 275 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: only wants. 276 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 6: To talk about business. 277 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I am that person. I love that, Like, don't 278 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: catch me in the corner. I will not ask you 279 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: about your kids, you know what I mean. I'm gonna 280 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: be like, so, yeah, that business, you know, and maybe 281 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: if you don't know what I'm talking about, then probably 282 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: gonna move on to somebody else. 283 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:05,599 Speaker 5: You know. 284 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: But what did you reach out to Uber and say? 285 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 6: Well? 286 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 1: Because I so at the time, I was head of 287 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: global marketing at Apple Music launched Apple Music. Then the 288 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: keynote like highly successful. Everything was going great. Tim Cook 289 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: does like one cover a year, and that year was 290 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: Fast Company. He was on the on the cover and 291 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: I was on the inside cover. 292 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 3: I mean like crazy were great. 293 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: And I had one office in Cupertino and one in 294 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: La And I was sitting in the office in Cupertino. 295 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 6: I remember it is like like it happened yesterday. I 296 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 6: was sitting in the office in Cupertino. 297 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: Uh, and I was scrolling like Facebook or something, and 298 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: I was seeing all the delete Uber craziness, you. 299 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 6: Know, delayed Uber. You know, it's like get rid of them, 300 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 6: bring them down. 301 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: And crazy enough, like maybe I don't even say two 302 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: weeks before that, I'd been in a meeting where we 303 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: were talking about the success of Uber and how amazing 304 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: of a company it was, because it was like this, like, 305 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, just came from nowhere and you know, changed 306 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: the entire way that we operate anything. And again, at 307 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: the time, I was ahead of global marketing at Apple Music, 308 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: which was also disruptor because people had been buying songs 309 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: for nine nine cents per song on iTunes. iTunes was 310 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: the mass market leader. Ninety eight percent of the market 311 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: came through iTunes, and we were telling people, hey, pay 312 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: nine ninety nine and get like streaming of every song that's. 313 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 6: Ever been recorded in the history of man. 314 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: It was like people did not understand what we're talking about, 315 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: and we're trying to convince some of this. 316 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 6: So I was over there looking at Uber, like, now, 317 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 6: how they do that, you know what I mean? How 318 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 6: they convince people to try something new? 319 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: Taxies have been around forever, but it's like, now I 320 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: gotta go on my phone and order the thing, and 321 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: then it's gonna come. 322 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 6: To me, like how, you know. And I was sitting 323 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 6: there and I saw all of the like the leade 324 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 6: Uber stuff and it was falling fast. I mean it was. 325 00:15:58,880 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 6: It was pure destruction. 326 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: So I called Ariana Huffington, who happens to be a 327 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: friend and she also sat on the board of Uber, 328 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, girl, oh my god, tell me 329 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: what's happening, you know, And she's like, oh, Darling, it's 330 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: a disaster. 331 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 6: And I was like, get me Travis. 332 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: Kaldik, like I want to talk to him, you know, 333 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: and I want to know what's going on, like I 334 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: and maybe I could help, you know. I was like, 335 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: who is running marketing over there? You know, and she's like, 336 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: I'll get you a lunch. So actually we took lunch 337 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: here in La He flew down from San Francisco, and 338 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: it was supposed to be an hour lunch. It was 339 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: eight hours worth of like argument, I mean, like throw down, 340 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: like I'm my best, like you know, advice, I'm trying, and. 341 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 6: I'm just like this grateful motherfuck you know, like who doesn't. 342 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 5: Listen to me? You know? 343 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: But he he had pushed back, and he did have 344 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: some good points about certain things, and so then I would, 345 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, rejigger And then before he knew it, I 346 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: was I was here on a napkin writing things down 347 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: and drawing diagrams and all. 348 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 6: Kind of stuff. 349 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: And at the end of eight hours, he was like, 350 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: come work for Uber and I was like, I don't know, 351 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: but something in me was like, yeah, that's where you're going. 352 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 6: I was like, yes, I go home. 353 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, but things are so good. Did you made 354 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: the switch? Because I could feel it in your gut, 355 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 3: in my gut, my. 356 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: Intuition told me, and everybody said don't go. Literally everyone 357 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: my own mother was like. 358 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 6: Oh my God, my child, like she's ruining her life, 359 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 6: you know. 360 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: And I was like, like, have this amazing thing going 361 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: and then you're going to delete? 362 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 6: Or are you kidding? 363 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: I was sitting at Apple. I was on the inside 364 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: cover of Fast Company with Tim talking about She's great. 365 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: I had been on the stage at the Worldwide Developers Conference. 366 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 6: People knew who I was. 367 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: I was making my mark, and yet your gut said go. 368 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 6: I said go. 369 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: And it was very, very scary to listen to my 370 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: gut because everyone, even Ariana. 371 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 5: Was like. 372 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 6: You might want to, you know, like, and I was like, God, 373 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 6: I think I'm going to resign. 374 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 4: I did. 375 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 5: Can I ask what some of the points tour that 376 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 5: that you were like, I want to I want to 377 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 5: turn this around, like what were your ideas because if 378 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 5: I see some something or some brain getting canceled, especially 379 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 5: one of that size. 380 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm like my I'm like you were. 381 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: Chaos. 382 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 6: I'll tell you. There were a number of things. 383 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: So one, I mean, look, I and I don't, you know, 384 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: pretend to wear a cape rank like that. But I 385 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: am very intentional with where I am and what I'm doing, 386 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: you know. And I knew that as one of the 387 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: only senior black women in tech, like in any visible 388 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: position that wherever I went would get attention. 389 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 5: M M. 390 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: I also knew that at the time Uber, one of 391 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: the things that they were struggling with was diversity of 392 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: anybody of color and of women in their C suite. 393 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: When I got there, I was like, they were like 394 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: eight bros. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, like one woman. 395 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: And it was just like there were so many things 396 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: that were wrong with the company. And at the same time, 397 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: I was looking at corporate life and all of the 398 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: struggles that I'd had even at Apple. 399 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 6: Let's not get it twisted that. 400 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, like y'all want to 401 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: point fingers at this company and say that it is 402 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: doing wrong. It doesn't represent women, it doesn't represent people 403 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: of color. They don't treat their drivers well, they're like, 404 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: you know, unethical, they have all these bad practices. I 405 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: want you to show me where Nirvana is. Like, please, 406 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 1: one company come and say, oh, we have it perfectly right. 407 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 6: One company do that. And I was like, you know what, 408 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 6: if I can go to Uber and represent myself well 409 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 6: turn around. 410 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: A business, then you can't tell me that not any 411 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: other company in these United States of America or globally 412 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: can do that, you must And so part of it 413 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: was like, you know the chip that I have on 414 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: my shoulder that I was like, yeah, I'm going like 415 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: you think you think I'm afraid of. 416 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 3: It, Like it was like challenge, You're like yeah. 417 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: And then plus, like I said, I'm a nerd of 418 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: this industry and this business, and so seeing what I 419 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: was seeing, I was like, you know, the battle and 420 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: this was the argument that I had with Travis. I 421 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: was like, the battle that you're fighting isn't against Lyft 422 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: and whether or not their engineers are finding a faster 423 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: way to get cars to people, because at the time, 424 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: it was like you call the uber and it says 425 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: it's coming to get you in seven minutes, right, and 426 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: then Lyft was like six minutes, and you know what 427 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I was like, that's that's not the 428 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: challenge you have. That's where everybody's focused right now. People 429 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: don't trust you, they don't like you. 430 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 6: And guess what we. 431 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: Forgive brands and companies that we like, We give them grace. 432 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: And so what he had to do at the time, 433 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: what the company had to do at the time was 434 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: rebuild trust. And that's not done through the algorithm, and 435 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: so that was the argument we're having. And so I 436 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: was like, shoot, look, what I'm gonna come do is 437 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: build trust, like have people trust the company. And then 438 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: I got there and two weeks later he was fired. 439 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: So it was it was boo, that was a hard 440 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: that was a hard time after he was gone. 441 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 6: So what happened? 442 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: This goes in my movie in my Bible, No kidding, No, 443 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: it was like I keep saying, it was like Lord 444 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: of the Flies, you know what that book where it's 445 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: like all the kids are like left. 446 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 6: On an island and then they survive. Yeah, they answers 447 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 6: survive and like governing themselves. 448 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 5: It was like that. 449 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 6: Everybody was out for themselves. 450 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, trying to do what they're doing. But I 451 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: still had my mission, you know. And also at the 452 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: time I knew that all the vitrol that was coming 453 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: for Uber, I was like, I knew that other companies 454 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: deserved it as well, it wasn't just Uber. And so 455 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: my press like mission and strategy became I'm gonna get 456 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: in front of every publication, every stage, every every possible 457 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: person who has a platform and tell them about what 458 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: we need to do to change these corporate environments to 459 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: people like me feel comfortable here and they can actually succeed. 460 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: And so that's what I did. And the crazy thing 461 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: is that people this is like kind of like a 462 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: weird The people couldn't attack me, you know what I mean. 463 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: I almost felt like I had teflon, because what are 464 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: you gonna say to me? Like if I if you're 465 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: interviewing me and You're like, why would you go to this? 466 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 6: They're treating women badly and. 467 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: People are cutting and I'm like, oh, yeah, but if 468 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm there, yeah, how you're not there? 469 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 5: Yeah? 470 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: And if you think they're treating me so badly, why 471 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: don't you come over here and help me? Very few 472 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: people were like, oh, yes, you know what, Yeah, I'm 473 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: gonna quit my job and come over there too. And 474 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: so so I was able to get the brand message 475 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: across the objective of what we're trying to do, any 476 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: policies that we're trying to change. Man, I was able 477 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: to skate and get all those messages across because nobody 478 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: was coming for me. 479 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 6: They couldn't. 480 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so it became the perfect opportunity for me 481 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: as a marketer to sharpen my skill, you know, in 482 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: terms of like, okay, does this theory work in terms 483 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: of like building trust and what are the ways in 484 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: which I'm going to do that over time and then 485 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: amplify me as an executive. My face was everywhere. No, 486 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: it was like I was on the cover of the 487 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: New York Times. It will this woman say? 488 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 6: Were okay challenge? Yeah? Yeah, the Sunday Times. I'm like, 489 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 6: I guess I will. You know. 490 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: But that's the point is that, Like so it was 491 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: it was a twofold benefit, you know, which is one 492 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: I could strapping my craft and two I. 493 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 6: Could also become very well known for the job I 494 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 6: was doing. Okay, so you are. 495 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 4: Like you, you are an entity in and of itself, 496 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 4: like you yourself right, and you are a business woman, 497 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 4: You're respected, you have all this stuff. How did the 498 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 4: Real Housewives come into play? Because I feel like, as 499 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 4: a brand, it's not quite your brand. 500 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 6: Let's put it this way. Which is that. 501 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: And some of this is like in reverse, which is 502 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: that there really hasn't been any job I've taken where 503 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: people have cheered for me. 504 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 6: I'm going there. 505 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: I just told you the story of Uber. But the 506 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: end of that year that I was at Uber, everybody 507 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, you could do it. Of course, yes, 508 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: the brand turn around fos, you know, like like there, 509 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: there hasn't been a job. Even when I left Pepsi 510 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: to go to Beats Music, which wasn't acquired by Apple 511 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: to become Apple Music, people didn't applaud because I was 512 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: also going through a really tough personal time. 513 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 6: My husband had just died of cancer. I was in 514 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 6: deep grief. 515 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: It was like three months after his death, and everybody 516 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: was like, you're you know, you need to sit down 517 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: and grieve and go to a cave and like find 518 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: yourself and then you can make major life decisions. And 519 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: I was like, nope, I'm taking my year old and 520 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm out of here, you know. And to me, it's 521 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: like these moves that I've made have been pure instinct 522 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,239 Speaker 1: and intuition. 523 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 6: I don't ask people their opinion and what I should do. 524 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 3: That's very interesting. 525 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people, myself included, always absolutely. 526 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 6: And you shouldn't do that. 527 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: How the hell would they know how to advise you. 528 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: They're only advising you based on their own perspective of 529 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: the fear that they have for you. I'm not even 530 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: say that these are haters who love you, who are like, 531 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: don't do that, Oh my god, like, oh no, wait, 532 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: wait for six months, make sure the market is more stable, 533 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: you don't get some more money and then you can 534 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: do the thing. 535 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 6: Or you're starting to get popular over here, don't go 536 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 6: try that over that thing over there? What if it fails. 537 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 6: They're not telling you because they hate you they want 538 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 6: you to do badly. They're telling me because they love you. 539 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 6: They don't want you to fall down. 540 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the point I've always felt like people 541 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 5: like some soon you ask people, they're projecting their fear 542 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 5: for you, yes, and do it. I don't know, but 543 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 5: I was gonna ask, how do you learn to taste 544 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 5: your Like how do you not get into the head 545 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 5: space of needing someone to tell. 546 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 6: You what first? And this is like the hardest thing, 547 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 6: which is that you've got to actually not do that, 548 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 6: like just don't just don't ask me, you know what 549 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 6: I mean. 550 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not saying trust yourself first. I'm saying, 551 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: don't ask first. So it's like, you know you're gonna 552 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: take you know, you have an opportunity to take this 553 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: job or date this person or whatever, and you're gonna 554 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: go ask your friends, why are you doing that? 555 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 6: Don't do that? 556 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: You know, It's like part of it is the discipline 557 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: of like sitting with yourself and being like what do 558 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: I want? 559 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 6: Mm hmm? 560 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: You know it's like what do I want? I promise 561 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: you you have the answer already, I promise you. Like, 562 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: if nothing else, just look at my damn life. 563 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 5: Man. 564 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: You know, every decision that I've made has been because 565 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: I have trusted myself. You can ask my mom, you 566 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: can ask myself. So you can ask my sixteen best friends. 567 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 6: They will tell you. 568 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't ask them should I do this? Should I 569 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: quit this job? Should I wear this outfit? Should I 570 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,959 Speaker 1: date this person? I don't ask if their opinion. Now, 571 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: when I'm in the job, I'll be like do I 572 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: look good? 573 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fine, right, But it's I. 574 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: Don't ask, And my intuition has become so strong in that, 575 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: like I know immediately when like I meet a person, 576 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: or I walk into a room, or I'm being offered 577 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: a deal whether or not I should take it. 578 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 6: I know it immediately. 579 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: Now sometimes I try to rationalize with myself, they're like, ooh, girl, 580 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: it's not a good idea because. 581 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 6: X, Y and Z thing. But I always know. 582 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: I always know, and it is so hard because a 583 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: lot of times those are really good opportunities on paper, 584 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, or like it looks like danger and you 585 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: shouldn't go over there. And so when I was done 586 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: with corporate life, I knew it. And when it was 587 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: time for me to leave Netflix, I knew it. Now 588 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: did I want to do it? No, because I'm a 589 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: single mom who takes care of her parents and has 590 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: a lot of responsibility, and it's not the type of 591 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: thing you just get up and walk away from when 592 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: your global chief marketing officer Netflix making a lot of 593 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: money and I've got lots of homes, and. 594 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 6: So it wasn't natural for me to be like, you 595 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 6: know what, I'm going to leave this. 596 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: But I knew I had to one because I wanted 597 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: to write my book and I wanted to write it 598 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: because I needed to get my memoir out. I needed 599 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: it out of my body, you know. And part of 600 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: that need was that people look at me or look 601 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: at my career and they're just like, oh, yes, well 602 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, you climb the corporate ladder and you got this, 603 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: you got that, And I'm like, you don't know the 604 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: depths in which I've been, and that if I can 605 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: be in those depths and rise, so can you. Because 606 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: this isn't like how to get to the corner office 607 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: in heels book the boss check. 608 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 6: This is not that book. This is the downtrodden book. 609 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 6: This is the book that tells me about grief, that 610 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 6: lets you see my pain. That's like, hey, look. And 611 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 6: then the next day I woke up and I did 612 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 6: That's that's that book. 613 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: And so for me, I knew I couldn't do the 614 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: job I was doing in Netflix and also open myself 615 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: up to all of that the chasm of emotion that 616 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: I needed to tap into to write the book, because like, 617 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: how do you do that on the weekend and then 618 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: go back to the office on Monday. 619 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 6: You can't do it? 620 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 5: Well, I was gonna say, you're in these roles where 621 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 5: you're not, I would imagine, is a weakness in those 622 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 5: rules day to day, and then you're trying to open 623 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 5: up this deep part of your soul and life. 624 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 6: No you can't do it, Yeah, you can't do it. 625 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: And I think for me it's like even after the 626 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: book was published and I've promoted the hell out of 627 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: it and I was done and sitting in my house 628 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: and thinking should I go back? You know, and a 629 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: few people have been circling. So I was taking meetings. 630 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: The last one I took was in Paris. Really big 631 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: job and the last thing to do is to meet 632 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: the board. I was sitting in my hotel room. Board 633 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: meeting in two days, and I was like, I don't 634 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: want to. I was like, oh, but my brain was like, well, 635 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: go meet with the board, and then when to make 636 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: you the offer? Then you decline, you know what I mean. 637 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 6: Please get the offer first. I was like, I don't 638 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 6: want this job. 639 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: Wasting my time and I'm wasting their time. I should 640 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: just tell them. I struggled back and forth all night. 641 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: Now that's the time when I could have called a 642 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: girlfriend and been like, girl, I'm thinking, like, what do 643 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: you think I should do? 644 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 6: Should I go to the meeting? And then of course 645 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 6: my friends would have been like, go to the meeting, 646 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 6: you know, take the to the thing. But I knew 647 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 6: I I knew I didn't have it. 648 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: I didn't want it, and so I wrote the email 649 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, took the first flight 650 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: out in the morning, and went home. 651 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 6: And then I got here and I was like Oh God, 652 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 6: what have I done? 653 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 5: Yo? 654 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 6: Yeah? And a few weeks later I get an email 655 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 6: from Bravo. Oh wow, and they're like, hey, we've been 656 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 6: trying to get you for a long time. No way, No, 657 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 6: I didn't know that. 658 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: They're like, but you haven't been available because the companies 659 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: you worked for, like, we try to get to you, 660 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: and you know, everybody blocks us. 661 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, yeah, well I'm right here. 662 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 6: I'm not doing anything. 663 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: And the meeting I had with them was one about 664 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: the question you asked, which is just like, you know, 665 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: your my reputation and like, is that the kind of like, 666 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, person that I want to be perceived as. 667 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: And I think because of who I am and the 668 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: experiences I've had and not having the privilege of, you know, 669 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: being part of the majority, I've really been given everybody 670 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: the bird for a long time. 671 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 6: Like I don't subscribe to anybody's box. It really don't. 672 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: I've never fit in the box. Do you know how 673 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: many times I've been in like meetings or a review 674 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: where somebody's like, oh, you know, if you were just 675 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: a little more demure, if you were just a little nicer, 676 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: if your voice didn't you know, rise every time you 677 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: were passionate, you didn't use your hands so much, if 678 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: you would wear less loud colors, you wouldn't wear that leather, 679 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: if you would only pull your hair back, if you 680 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: could only make it straight, Godly, I'm telling you. 681 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 6: So it's like all of that. Yes, I could have 682 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 6: taken that on, and many people do. I don't even 683 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 6: blame them for doing it. 684 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: Many people conform because it's so much scarier to not 685 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: conform and to be out here and shunned. But it 686 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: has become my superpower. And so in that meeting with them, 687 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: I didn't look at the housewives and say, oh, how 688 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: am I going to fit into this group? I said, oh, okay, 689 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: I guess my job is to come change it. Yeah, 690 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: my job is to come and show a different type. 691 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 6: Of woman, because yeah, why do I need to be 692 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 6: like them? Are you kidding me? 693 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: It's like I'm great, Like I belong in spaces because 694 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm amazing and because. 695 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 6: I I add to situations. And so have there been 696 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 6: housewives who've been business people? Sure? 697 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: Do any of them have twenty five years of marketing 698 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: success and in the Hall of Fame, No, not a 699 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: single one. Do any of them talk vulnerably about certain 700 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: parts of their lives that you know, maybe are not 701 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: so great to talk about, like fertility and fibroids and 702 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: being a widow. 703 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 6: No, so I'm going to do it. 704 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: And I do think there's something very special about the 705 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: relationship of women at this particular age in their late thirties, forties, fifties. 706 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: It's a very special time. 707 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 5: You know. 708 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 6: It's like you're in this weird. 709 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: Crux where it's like you're taking care of children maybe 710 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: or your children are transitioning to other more responsible times 711 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: in life. You're dealing with aging parents. Maybe you've had 712 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: a marriage, maybe it's going south. Maybe it's ten years 713 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 1: in and you're trying to figure out the spark again. 714 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: Maybe you don't have a husband and you're trying to 715 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: this dating life but you're old. Yeah, I was like, 716 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: And then you've got your friends and. 717 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 6: They're all going through this hormonal boat. 718 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: And dealing with all these things. So it's not even 719 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: so much that I don't appreciate conflict. I think conflict 720 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: is necessary, Like that's what we are as human beings. 721 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: Conflict comes with the thing. But do we have to 722 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: have conflict over petty things? Right? 723 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 5: No? 724 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 6: We don't. 725 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: And so my feeling wasn't that like, Oh, I'm gonna 726 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: come into Housewives and it's going to ruin my reputation 727 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: because I'm now going to be out here like having 728 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: these petty ass conversations like I'm not doing that, yep. 729 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 6: And it's like, honestly, like even the first few. 730 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: Shoots that we had, I got feedback, you know from 731 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: one of the producers like, Hey, you know, you're gonna 732 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: have to really. 733 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 6: Get in there, and I was just like, no, I 734 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 6: don't think so. 735 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: I think if you want me in there, then they 736 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: got to rise to my level, like or We're gonna 737 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 1: have to have conversations that are a little smarter because 738 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going here and I'm not explaining myself, you know, right, 739 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: And that for me is the way that I've always 740 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: conducted myself. And so my friends who see me on 741 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: the show, or anybody who's ever worked with me, they'll 742 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 1: point and be like, oh, that's boths. 743 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 6: We know her, We've seen that girl before, you know, 744 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 6: that's nothing new to them. 745 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: And so when people are in the you know, in 746 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: the Housewives like sort of world, are like, oh my gosh, 747 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: how did you why are you coming in you did 748 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: this and you said that they was just like mm hmm, yep. 749 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: If you've known me the last like thirty years, you 750 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: know too. 751 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 5: But here I am when they reach out to you 752 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 5: did your marketing cause you were saying you see everything 753 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 5: to the marketing lens. Yeah, because house Lives has been 754 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 5: a brand for so long, and yeah, it's been very 755 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 5: much the same. I would say, like from the beginning, 756 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 5: there hasn't been much shift. Did your brain go like, 757 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 5: did you start is there ideas when you think about 758 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 5: the housewives brains of all I want to change this not. 759 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: Necessary about the brand, but well because the people are 760 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: the brand. And so my thought was like, yes, starting 761 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: with representation of me, like you know, where are the 762 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: corporate baddies at the one who like their boobs and 763 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: also have like a good resume And I didn't see that, 764 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: And so my thought was like, yeah, in order to 765 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: continue to evolve not only the brand of Housewives, but 766 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, marketing is storytelling. So 767 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: in order to evolve the story of women of this 768 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: particular age and taking them out of this really destructive 769 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: concept that they can't have reasonable conflict and that they 770 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: don't know how to manage their emotions and be true 771 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: friends to each other. 772 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 6: Or mortal enemies and do it with some gusto. 773 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 5: You know. 774 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: It's like we have to change that story. Like, like 775 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: I told you, I have sixteen best friends. They're all 776 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: about my same age, and we're dynamic. 777 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 5: You know. 778 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: It's like all of us are going through like all 779 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: of these various challenges in life, and we don't all 780 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: get along all of the time. But there is grace, 781 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: you know for those hard moments. There are the you 782 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: know sleepovers where it's like, look, I'm gonna help my 783 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: girl out. 784 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 5: You know. 785 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: It was my best friends who showed up at my 786 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: house the day my husband died. They slept in the 787 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: front of my bed. They're the ones who washed my kid. 788 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: They're the ones who did the dishes and cooked the 789 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: food that I. 790 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 6: Would not eat. 791 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: No, like, we have enough drama in our lives that 792 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: we can still showcase that without worrying about when somebody's 793 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: late to dinner and fight about that. 794 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, it does have to be so fabricated because there's 795 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 5: enough going on in life such real. 796 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: And that's the thing that really support Actually when I 797 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: joined was that I think, like everybody else. My assumption 798 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: was that there must be like producer led stories, you 799 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, or like they must like you know, 800 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: go and go, you in the back and like, oh, 801 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: you know what she said. 802 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 6: But the thing is that. 803 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: Now I understand why people fall in love on like 804 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: love is blind and all these other things where you're 805 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: just like how could you you know, because you're it's 806 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: such an intense amount of time. You know, we filmed 807 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: for like three months, three and a half months, and. 808 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 6: Six days a week. 809 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: You are spending eight hours probably with these women, you know, 810 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: in either as a group or in various conversations. And 811 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: I don't come over to your house and we're like, oh, 812 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: so tell me about that banana bread you were baking. 813 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 6: It's like why is your husband such a dog? What's 814 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 6: wrong with your kids? 815 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 5: You know? 816 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: And so you're you're jumping into really deep, deep conversation 817 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: right away all of the time. Like by the time 818 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: I was done with the first season, I had talked 819 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 1: to those women more than I talked to my sisters. 820 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I'm saying. 821 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I knew more about what was going on 822 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: in their lives for that moment of time than I 823 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,800 Speaker 1: did any of my friends, and so when people have 824 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: conflict with each other, it makes sense to me because 825 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: the emotions are running deep. We're talking about very vulnerable things, 826 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: and that's what I'm saying, like, I just want us 827 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: to continue to elevate that conversation so we can get 828 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 1: to like some real meat of what all of us. 829 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 6: Deal with it. 830 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 4: So when you were on So, was it that role 831 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 4: or that like job, I call it a job even 832 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 4: though yeah, I mean it is that got you the 833 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 4: job for on Brama Jimmy Fallon. 834 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 3: So they saw you on Housewives and like we want her. 835 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 6: For this show. Yeah yeah. 836 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: And that's again why it's like, look, you really can't 837 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: listen to anybody, because had I listened to all of 838 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: the people who were like. 839 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 6: Don't do it, don't do that show, it's terrible for 840 00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 6: your reputation. 841 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: Then Nancy, Jimmy's wife would not have seen me on 842 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: that very first episode where they run through my resume, 843 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: and she wouldn't have stopped everything she was doing, knowing 844 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: her husband had been selling the show for the last 845 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: two years. Cod and Find a co host met with 846 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,919 Speaker 1: a dozen cmos, none of them worked out and been 847 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: like I think she's the one, and then him being like, 848 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: who the house wife? 849 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 5: You know? 850 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: And then doing his research and watching the season and 851 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,720 Speaker 1: listening to my book and then calling me and being like, can. 852 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 6: I talk to you about this because I really need 853 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 6: you do this and I think it's perfect. 854 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 5: All right, We have so much more to get to, 855 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 5: but you will have to listen to part two of 856 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 5: this interview with Bozima because it's just too much for 857 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 5: one episode 858 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 3: Too much goodness for one episode.