WEBVTT - Incandescent Rage 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.680 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay EFFI daily with 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.400 me your girl Danielle Moody, recording back live from our 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.079 pun Stream studios here in Times Square. Dear friends, what 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:26.079 a goddamn week it has been. I want to believe 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:30.400 that there is still time. I want to believe that 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:35.000 the collection of Democrats who recognize the urgency of this 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.680 moment are going to act that they are not going 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:42.000 to let this historic time pass us by and be 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.879 left with a bunch of what ifs. But if you 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:51.360 are watching the infrastructure bill fight play out right now, 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:58.800 you are not feeling hopeful. You are actually probably feeling aggravated, 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:03.760 anxiety induced, rage filled at the fact that you have 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:10.280 two supposed Democrats who are willing to extinguish our democracy 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:16.679 for their own ends. So again, when we direct all 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:21.319 of our hope, right when we direct all of our 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:26.480 hope on oh, I don't know, two fucking people, or 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.240 the hope that they're going to be more Francises in 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.880 the world or more Fiona Hills in the world, and 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.400 we realize that they are not, that that this country 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.960 is actually made up of a bunch of cinemas and mansions, 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.520 people that don't really give a fuck. They only care 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.679 about their own town, their own life, their own family, 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:50.280 and be damned everyone else you even had This week 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:54.800 Joe Biden mentioning there are two people that are holding 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.920 up my agenda, but doesn't have the balls to say 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.560 who the fuck those two people are being? Is how 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.160 we all know who they are that doesn't have the 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.200 balls to take it to them to the fucking street 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.800 and say, you know what, here's the thing, American people, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.959 I am doing everything within my goddamn power in order 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.440 to try and make sure that another six hundred and 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.560 fifty thousand Americans don't die from COVID, and I'm sorry 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:26.880 we are now at over seven hundred thousand that I'm 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.239 trying to do my best to make sure that more 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.919 people don't lose their jobs, that you have clean drinking water, 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.880 that we can build up infrastructure to fight our twenty 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:40.120 first century climate change problem, right the crises that we 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.640 are in. And I could do all of these things, 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.200 you see, because I have great policy ideas and I 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.600 have good people working with me. But I have two 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.760 people that refuse. And so, dear fellow American, do you 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.760 know what I need? I need you to pick up 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.200 the fucking phone. I need you to inundate their offices. 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.360 I need you to do sit ins, I need you 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.480 to do march is. I need you to make calls, 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.239 and I need you to defund these two fucking senators 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.799 because they are the ones that are standing between you 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:12.560 and your livelihood, between you and our democracy. Because let 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.520 me tell you something, we are running out of time 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.919 for Joe Biden to play the fucking comforter in chief. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:24.160 And I am frankly don't need a comforter anymore. I 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.440 will say it again. I need a fucking commander. I 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.440 need a warrior. I need somebody that knows that we 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.480 don't have any time left and need to leave everything 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:41.160 on the fucking floor. Right, But Joe Biden still believes 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.520 that he's operating with twentieth century senators. He still believes 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.040 that Mitch McConnell gon spit in his face but then 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.320 want to grab a scotch with him later and that 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.600 will hash it out as the way we do in 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:58.280 the deliberative body. Dear Joe Biden, the Senate is dead. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:05.440 Collaboration is dead, right. I don't know what else it 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.680 is that Mitch McConnell literally has to say other than 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.000 what he already said, which is that his one job, 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.800 his job is not to make sure that the American 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.480 people are okay. His job is not to make sure 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:21.200 that America stays competitive on the global stage. No, his 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.080 one job is to make sure that you are a 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.840 one term president. Ding ding ding. Where the fuck did 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:33.760 we hear that before? So here's the thing. We keep 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.240 betting on everyone's better angels. And the question that I 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:44.039 am offering is what if they have none? Right? I 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.120 know that I say this often, but I gotta tell 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:51.160 you this week not making me feel great, kind of 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.719 making me feel like. You know, we are already living 0:04:54.760 --> 0:05:00.800 in nineteen eighty four and big Brother is everywhere. All 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.960 I can say is, you know, at least China is 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.480 transparent about their shit. And by transparent, I mean that 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:12.159 they are all about social control right and beating back 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.719 any type of resistance. In America, we say that you're 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.400 We're all about freedom, except we've sold your data to 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:23.120 the highest bidder. We're all about freedom, except we're using 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.800 your information against you for capitalistic gains. And then we 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.279 won't regulate shit, because then that would be taking money 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:34.640 out of our own coffers. I don't think Wu Tang 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.960 knew how prolific they were when they said that cash 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:41.279 rules everything around me. But dear fucking god, they really were. 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:47.400 Coming up next is my conversation with the brilliant writer 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:52.560 from The New Yorker and the voice one of the 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:58.720 voices behind the new book Black Lives Matter is Gilanni Cobb. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:04.360 So stay tuned for that conversation, folks. I am very 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:09.200 excited to have our second you, Gilani Cobb, are our 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:15.000 second in studio guest um for wok app Daily. I'm 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:20.359 really excited to beat me up the MSNBC host Yasmin 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.000 Masougi and beat you out. So I mean something like 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.560 the silver medalist. You are a silver but still on 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.320 the podium. Yeah, but you know they always say like 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.400 the bronze medalist is happier than the civil the silver 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.719 medal because the silver is the runner up. Bronze medalist 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.760 is happy to be getting a medal, but the silver 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.560 medalist is like, what could I have done? And so 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.200 it's the situation where I was like, I lost by 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.520 a fraction of a second. Could I have gotten you here? 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.440 If I had enticed you with the fact that you 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:52.000 would have been the first sure you have come quicker. Absolutely, Okay, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.560 all right, definitely that was my That was my I'm 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.040 just saying, standing here with the silver medal, with the 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.960 silver medal, but you're still on woke app so that 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.320 in and of itself is winning and makes you a champion. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.839 Gilanni Cobb, you are a staff writer with The New Yorker. 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:15.080 You have put together edited one of the most dance 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:23.120 books I think that cover black life in America, The 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:27.440 Matter of black Lives. You put this together. He I 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.280 don't even know how you were working in the midst 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.240 of twenty twenty. Me. I needed to be partly catatonic 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.360 for half of it, and then, you know, then started 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.800 to kind of get the win back in my sales. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.240 But I want to talk to you about did you 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:50.960 think the weeks the months following the murder of George 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:55.520 Floyd that we had reached some type of reckoning because 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:01.480 we were all collectively indoors, right, we were all on 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.520 our devices, staring at the TV, just waiting for whatever 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.800 bit of news about the future of our lives, of 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.239 our planet as it was being enveloped in this virus, 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:17.120 and then recognizing the multiple pandemics that we are actually 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.920 living in Did you think that it was going to 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.160 be a reckoning or was it just going to be 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:29.600 one of the many? So I was at a disadvantage 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.480 in understanding the significance of George Floyd. And the reason 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.040 I was at a disadvantage was the fact that I 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.679 had written about when I was in my twenties, I 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:46.600 had written about Amadudiallo and Abner Louima, you know, who 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:54.600 were respectively shot and sexually abused by in my PD offices, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:09:00.320 and the kind of tortured path it took to get 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:04.120 any semblance of justice those situations. Of course, it was 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.000 you're Rodney King. Before that I wasn't really writing. But 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.520 in my thirties, you know, I had written about all 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:17.520 of these instances of police excessive use of force. In 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:21.319 my forties, had written about, you know, all these concerns. 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.320 And here I was as a fifty one year old person, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:30.560 and I had seen overwhelmingly the same outcome of the 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:35.720 administration or the bureaucracy circling ranks and finding a way 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.480 to exonerate the person who had committed and agree just wrong. 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.840 And so I thought, when I looked at the video, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.000 I said, this is horrific. Is in humane, is disgusting. 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.240 They'll find a way to get to get this guy off. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:55.679 And what I underestimated was, well, I undersubmitated two things. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:01.920 The first was the impact of everyone at home. There 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:06.000 was nothing to distract your people didn't have to go 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.400 to work, you know, and so they could just stew 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.960 in these visuals and what the inhumanity of it meant. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.319 And the second thing was the excruciating length of that video, 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.080 which I still never watched. I attempted to watch it 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:27.720 when we did a documentary on policing, and you know, 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.920 as part of the documentary, I sat down and said 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.560 I should watch this video, and you know, I got 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.200 to like maybe the four minute mark, and I was like, 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:40.680 I need to stop this. But for people who sat 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.440 there and watched and like, do how long it takes anything? 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.679 For eight minutes and forty six seconds, you know, that 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:53.040 is commitment. And this person kneeled a minute after minute 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:57.760 after minute after minute in service of the cause of 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.880 extinguishing George Floyd's like And I think that people weren't 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:09.280 prepared to see that kind of casual sadism on display 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:13.720 because it's different. I mean, it's all tortuous and disgusting. 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:18.520 But it's different with a bullet, right, because there's a there, 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.480 there is a distance right that is between it, and 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:27.640 it's generally generally quicker. Right, this was right, and he 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.880 could say, oh, I feared from her, I feared from 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.320 my life. Right is the common refrain because it's so quick, 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.120 and you know, cops have to act so quickly under pressure, 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.680 is what they tell us time and time again. But 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:46.000 this wasn't that. And I think that I foolishly believed 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:51.320 that this was going to be a reckoning moment because 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.200 I said, there's no way that you watch this for 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.280 that long. And but but at the same time, I 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.480 did also say, well, they're going to hang this on 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:07.080 this one bad apple, which is what they say every 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.360 single time on woke AF. I say, yeah, it's a 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.800 bad apple from a poisonous orchard that had spanned the 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.400 length of this country. What are we what are you 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.440 talking about? But as long as we can convince people 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.920 that if we get rid of this one, there are 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.840 so many good ones, right, which is which is what 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.800 happened in the Derek Chauvin trial. You know, I covered 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:36.280 the trial and when you saw the police chief Madaria 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:43.080 Rodondo come out and denounce Chauvin's actions. You saw the 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.040 various members of the police department come out, you saw 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.320 police voices from across the country denouncing what he had done. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.360 And I said, you know, we're being good copped, you know, 0:12:56.080 --> 0:13:01.880 because in order to highlight the idea that the police 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:07.319 are fundamentally good and benign, we need to distinguish ourselves 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.360 from this person, to say he's not one of us, 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.040 he's not like us. But the problem is that he 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.240 had been on the Minneapolis Police Force for I think 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.160 it was nineteen years, that he had been in a 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:23.320 supervisory capacity, that he had been training younger officers in 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.640 the ways of the department, and he had been promoted. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.680 And so by what metric was this man not one 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.839 of you? And so of course he was one of them. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:38.160 He represented them in their values and as demonstrated by 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.160 their continued employment of him and their promotions of him. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:46.640 And so it was really a kind of illusion that 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.280 thought we were being sold. And the point of it 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.720 was so that we could get back to the business 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:56.559 as usual set of presumptions that if there is this person, 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.080 especially if it's a person of color, who dies in 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.040 the course of an interact, with the police. They had 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:07.120 it coming. This your book, The Matter of Black Lives, 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:14.559 with this deep anthology, all of these stories, this analysis, 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:20.400 How how or do you hold on to any semblance 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:26.840 that America isn't destined for just implosion more of the same. Yeah, 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.640 because I will tell you that one of the things 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.200 that gets me every time that I read you know, 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:37.040 your writing, uh and others, Charles Blow other other folks. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:42.480 I'm like, it just never gets any better, right, And 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:46.680 so how you know, how do you hang on to 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.320 any like that that we're not just going to implode, 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:55.640 that we're just not headed towards destruction. It's interesting, Um, 0:14:55.720 --> 0:15:00.600 you know, in this collection, we have this really dazzling 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.760 array of people, you know, thinking about these questions and 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:08.520 how they pertain um and not necessarily you know, expressly 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:14.920 or explicitly. Sometimes it's as a subtext, you know. But 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:19.960 we have you know, Tony Morrison's writing in here, Hilton Owl's, 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:27.520 Zadie Smith, Henry Lewis Gates during Saint Felix, my current 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:32.640 colleague at The New Yorker, Khalif Asana, you know, a 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.680 whole I hate when I started mentioning people because then 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.000 you leave people out the people starting upset about it, 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:42.360 But there's really so much, such a breath of work 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:46.320 in there that I really think it's a kind of 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:52.680 profound set of meditations about individuals, about events, about places, 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:56.720 about people, and so on. And maybe the net effect 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:01.680 of that is to have a broader perspective on whether 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.880 or not there's hope, whether or not there's the possibility 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:10.040 of change. You know, as I wrote in the introduction, 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.800 I said that the anthology is not about race. It's 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:17.240 about the people who are most commonly tasked with confronting it, 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.760 you know, because race affects the entire society, but it 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.000 is typically black people who expect it to confront and 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.120 wrestle with, you know, this demon and try to drag 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.400 it out of the public square. And so that's what 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.200 we were trying to get at, you know, to your 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:39.480 specific question about about implosion, I actually don't view it 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:44.600 that way. I think that there is change, but it's 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:48.720 just that that change is fragile, is contested that you 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.560 have to protect it, you have to hold onto it. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:57.080 But you know, when we start looking at our political representation, 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:03.440 even as the people are trying to throw impediments, you know, 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.919 between us and the ballot box. Now, you know, in 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.640 some ways, we're looking at this from a different vantage 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.840 point because you know, we have a congressional Black caucus, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.959 we have black elected officials and cities across the country 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.200 on the municipal level. You know, on the state level, 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.959 that black people have a level of political power an 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:28.520 authority which is far and away different from what we 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.840 looked at in nineteen sixty five, which is to say 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.200 that what John Lewis was getting hit over the head 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.760 for worked. You know, it wasn't a cure. It was 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.680 a treatment, but it was a treatment that had results, 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.520 and so I think that we have to have an assessment. 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.640 The other thing that I think it's important is that 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:49.840 you know, when I have this conversation, which I have 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:54.800 quite frequently with my students, I always direct them at 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:59.800 to the last message that w Eb Dwo Boys released 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.240 the world, or rather the message that was released upon 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.480 his death, and as background, the Boys, when he was 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.119 twenty five years old, said that he would devote his 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:16.359 life to slaying white supremacy, that he would fight against 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.800 white supremacy on behalf of black people. That was what 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.160 he wanted to dedicate his life too. He was twenty 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.399 five years old. He did that until he was ninety 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.240 five years old. He was still fighting when he died. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:32.160 Seven decades of his life, seven decades he pursued this mission. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:37.919 And when he died, he left a message saying for 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:42.240 people coming after him to not despair because our struggles 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.320 along and because the roads are difficult, you know, but 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.320 always humanity reaches a higher level, he said. And so 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.240 I don't have the vantage point of seventy years of struggle. 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.560 So I don't really have the right to be pessimistic 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.800 day that I see it now making me feel like 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.960 I don't have the right to be that. I based 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.679 my lave this journey. Um. Now the last question, the 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:11.400 last question for you. Um. You know, the past eighteen 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:17.640 months have been one of the most trying times in 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:23.320 our country, on our planet, and in our world. And 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.960 I'm curious, you know, on woke AF I talk a lot, 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:32.000 obviously about politics, and talk a lot about race and identity, UM, 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.480 but I'm also moving into a place of talking about 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.480 what it means to live whole and to live full 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:43.320 and to center joy, especially in the face of persistent despair. 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:48.679 So how do you keep yourself centered in some type 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:53.919 of joy. How do you keep your light about you 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.800 in the face of darkness? You know, it's funny because 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:03.200 I mean very small thing things, you know. So if 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:07.560 I think about what made me really happy today, I 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:13.800 woke up at four fifty nine this morning, and I 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.760 got up and before I did anything, you know, started anything, 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:23.320 I just sat down in the dark quiet, and that 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.879 was it. You know, that was the thing that made 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:31.240 me happiest in that day. And then, you know, I 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:36.840 think that for me looking at the younger people who 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:41.280 were coming up now and coming into their own and 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.320 even you know, the children that were coming included mind, 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:49.680 you know that that, you know, those are things that 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:54.439 make me happy. I went out and bought myself a 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.880 new suit last week, which is you know, I love clothes, 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.919 and one point, buying a new suit would have really 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:05.000 like been a thing like, oh wow, this suit, we 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.560 haven't gonna wear it, and it's and so forth. And 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:08.399 it was okay. I mean I liked it. I mean 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.600 I still like suits. But you know, the thing that 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.320 really made me happy is thinking about playing a role 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:18.200 in the development of these younger people who are coming 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:23.399 after me. I love that. Joanni Cobb, thank you so much. 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.159 For making time, folks. The book is the matter of 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.720 black lives. I implore you all to pick it up 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.480 because we're going to be going through it on the show. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:40.320 Thank you, Thank you so much. That's it for Today's Woke, 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.880 a f daily podcast. To hear more from today's show, 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.240 including my full interview with Jilanni Cobb, support me on 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.879 Patreon at patreon dot com. Slash Woke a power to 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:52.400 the people and to all the people power, get woke 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:53.840 and stay woke as fuck.