1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: The volume. This is the best of the Colin Coward Podcast. 2 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm great guests this week and it bring you all 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: the best moments. But first up, the best of my 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: rants for the week. The Russell Westbrook to the Lakers 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: for KCP, Kyle Kuzma, Montrez Harold and a draft pick. Initially, 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a huge Westbrook fan. I've said 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: this that Cam Newton's game is an NFL quarterback, in 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: Westbrook's game as an NBA player, the game has moved 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: away from them. In the NFL right now, it's about efficiency, 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: that's not Cam. In the NBA, it's about shooting. That's 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: not Westbrook. And he would have to play often off 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: the ball with Lebron James, and that's not really his strength. 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: He's not a shotmaker. He's a playmaker. But I thought 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: a lot about this is Lebron James thinking, because you know, 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: you okayed this, listen. I know Westbrook. We work out 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: at UCLA. Westbrook, by the way, has a house about 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: three miles from Lebron. They're friends, they respect each other. 18 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: Is Lebron saying number one, nobody plays harder than Russell 19 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: Westbrook and I have got to get regardless of his inconsistency. 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: I mean, Westbrook's not even the best version of Westbrook anymore, 21 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: but he plays a lot of minutes. He plays with 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: undeniable passion. He absolutely is completely, utterly committed to basketball. 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: He's often said, my best friends the ball. From a 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: psychological standpoint, do you bring Westbrook in a d watches 25 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: his commitment, he sees Lebron's commitment, and there's a feeling like, hey, 26 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: I gotta get my shit together. Okay, I can't let 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: these two down. Like, we know Westbrook's a flawed player. 28 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: We know we can't hit three pointers. Even his free 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: throw shooting his dramatically dropped in recent years. But I 30 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: think there's a psychological play here. Westbrook plays as hard 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: as anybody in the league. Lebron plays as hard as 32 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: anybody in the league. That's the knock on Anthony Davis, Listen, Kuzma, KCP, 33 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: Montres Harold and a draft pick. Those are marginally talented 34 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: players who are inconsistent. Lebron's thinking, why not get a 35 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player that's inconsistent. The other thing that 36 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: jumped to the forefront with me. That's kind of funny, 37 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: I thought to myself. Is Chris Paul looking at this, thinking, 38 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I got a house in La two. 39 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: We're way better friends than Westbrook. Westbrook left Oklahoma City. 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: I came in with a tanking team. We made the playoffs. 41 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: Westbrook bombed with Houston. I got Houston to the Western 42 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: Conference Final with James Harden. I made the Laughable Suns 43 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: into a finals team. Is Chris Paul looking at this thinking, 44 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm the perfect piece for this. You know, right now 45 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: we're witnessing one of the biggest paradigm shifts in the 46 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: history of sports. At speaking out on their own mental 47 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: health and the steps they feel they need to take 48 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: to protect it. So Simone Biles withdrawals from the Olympic 49 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: team over mental health reasons, Aaron Rodgers saying recently he 50 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: needed time away from the game before reporting to camp. 51 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: Naomi Osaka took time away from tennis last year. Dak 52 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: Prescott admitted that his family issues and the pandemic led 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: to him suffering from depression and anxiety. Yeah, it happens 54 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: to football players too. Sports has always been about a 55 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: machine that never stops, and sometimes athletes have been the 56 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: casualty of that machine. Now we're recognizing doesn't have to 57 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: be that way. The top athletes now are realizing they 58 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to be servants to those sports. What changed 59 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: who It used to be the league? The league was 60 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: the business, the athletes were the employees. But now, thanks 61 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: to social media and shoe companies and other sponsors, the 62 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: actual individual athlete is a business too. Athletes have more demands, 63 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: any of them coming from outside the sport, so star 64 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: athletes are basically CEOs of their own brands, and that 65 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: means it's up to the individual athlete to speak up 66 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: and say, Hey, this isn't right for me, this is 67 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 1: too much for me. I gotta step off the treadmill. 68 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: This is where the line needs to be drawn. Aaron Rodgers, 69 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Simone Biles. Too much on their plate. They 70 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: can step off pressure, responsibility is overwhelming. They deserve to 71 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: be treated differently. They deserve the chance to have us 72 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: say in managing those demands. Listen, dumb guys argue all 73 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: the time about toughness. The reality is too many people 74 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: see mental fatigue and anxiety is a weakness. I don't 75 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: think the average Finn understands the pressure athletes are on 76 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: elevated now by the vile nature of social media, people 77 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: forget that Lebron James in the finals against Dallas pre 78 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: his first title, acknowledge it got to him. He couldn't 79 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: be the league villain, the stress, the anxiety, he had 80 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: the only really awful series in his entire career. Yes, 81 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: Lebron James. Matt Mosley co hosting the Doomday podcast. He's 82 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: covering the Cowboys. Thoughts on the Big twelve Texas Oklahoma bolting. 83 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: Let's start with this. Jerry Jones admits last week at 84 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: a press conference he screwed up the dynasty. First, Were 85 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: you surprised he admitted it? Had he ever said that 86 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: privately around you know, the Cowboys circles. No, he'd never 87 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: gone that far. That's as far as he's ever gone. 88 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: He's kind of joked about it, but to say, I 89 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: should have been more deferential and I screwed it up. Now, 90 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: of course, he sort of let that Switcher story almost 91 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: tell the joke for him, so he didn't have to 92 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: make just an out and out apology. But I mean, 93 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: we've been around him a ton, We've never heard him 94 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: go that far. What was the reaction in Dallas with 95 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: his comments? Well, you know, he had already been really 96 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: emotional through that whole news conference, and that's an old 97 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Jerry tactic. It's it's kind of over the last ten 98 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: years as he's aged a little bit is too. He 99 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: sort of believes if he can cry a little bit. 100 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: Now I think it's pretty genuine, but he leans into 101 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: his tears a little bit because like when he says 102 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: I'll write a check, I would write a check for 103 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: a super Bowl in his mind or the tears accompanying that, 104 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: that's a big deal. But the thing about with Jimmy, 105 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: I think the reaction was one of shock, and even 106 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: a guy that you know, I do the podcast where 107 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: that Wreder that was back there covering those teams, I 108 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: think was taken aback by that level of I mean, 109 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: everybody else has said it. Darren Woodson has told us 110 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: that Troy Aikman has said over the years, what would 111 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: it have been like to have several more years? And 112 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: for Jerry to say it and admit any fault is 113 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: pretty like I think most of us are kind of 114 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: worried about him. Well, you know, it's funny. People get older, 115 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: they get a bit more melancholy. You're on the back nine, 116 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: it's you know, everything hurts when you get up in 117 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: the morning. In Dallas, though, is it largely understood? Did 118 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: people hold it against Jimmy Johnson when he left, or 119 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: did they understand it well at the time it was 120 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: I think it was probably more Jimmy's fault. There's a 121 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: big argument over that, But I just think Jerry was 122 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: still so fresh off of the whole Landry thing that 123 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: even with the Super Bowls, that it was easier for 124 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: folks to blame Jerry because there was still some leftover resentment. 125 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: And so when that happened, the blowback was more on Jerry, 126 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: and he was the one left to have to wear that. 127 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: And you remember he famously said I could find five 128 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: hundred coaches who could win a Super Bowl for this team, 129 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: and Jimmy let him have a try at it. You know, 130 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: it's interesting as we pivot now into this year, the 131 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: NFL basically came out like Thursday and Friday and said, yeah, 132 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: get vaccinated, or there'll be new rules for you. And 133 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: it's fairly obvious that if you're a borderline player at 134 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: the fifty three man cut and you're not vaccinated, you're done. 135 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: If you're a star. You're Cole Beasley. You know whether 136 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: he's a star or not, but he's a very vital 137 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: top slot receiver for Buffalo. You know, Cole Beasley is 138 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: not going to get vaccinated. He'll probably hang around, but 139 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: a borderline player will not. I mean, if I can 140 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: choose vaccinated or not vaccinated for a gunner on special 141 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: teams and they're close, I'm going vaccinated. Do we know 142 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: every Cowboy coach I believe is vaccinated? Is that true? 143 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: And what's the rate do you think among Cowboy players? 144 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: You know? Interestingly, I think Mike McCarthy offered his players 145 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: some cover, saying that he was hesitant to get it. 146 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: And so I think we live in such a polarizing 147 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: world right now. It's kind of like, oh, you didn't 148 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: get it, you're stupid, you know, Like there's no middle ground, 149 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: there's no conversation about this at all. And so McCarthy 150 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: sort of said, I had some issues with this and 151 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: it took me a while. I believe the whole coaching 152 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: staff has it. I believe Jerry's playing fast and loose 153 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: with like a handful of guys haven't been fully vaccinated. 154 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: I think I think he's counting guys who may have 155 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: had their COVID tests to make sure they don't have COVID. 156 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: You know, he's also obviously counting the people that have 157 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: had the first shot. And what's what's weird to me 158 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: and this whole thing. I think we're finding out more 159 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: colin people that got the first vaccination, and just said, 160 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: I think that's enough. I think I'll stop right here. 161 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: My thought is like it, okay, if you want to 162 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: have an argument, don't want to do it. I don't 163 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: come on here. I don't try to like tell everybody 164 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: what to do. But if you do go to the 165 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: trouble to get the first one, it doesn't make a 166 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: ton of sense to me not to get the second one. 167 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: And I think part of that is there was so 168 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: much talk about people getting sick and having a little 169 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: bit of a bad reaction to the second one. I mean, 170 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: i'd heard a little bit of that, and so I 171 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: probably I was taking you know, I was just knocking 172 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: down Adville and Niqual right after I had the second one. 173 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna award this off. I'm not going 174 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: to allow this to happen. I did fine. I was 175 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: kind of groggy from all the niqual, but I hung 176 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: in there. I think Jerry and a lot of the 177 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: NFL is fudging the numbers on this thing. I do 178 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: find it fascinating that a coach has been I mean 179 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: like thrown overboard basically. I mean, now that was that 180 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: got everybody's attention. It's one thing, even star players to react. Well, 181 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. I can't believe they're 182 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: making me do this. If guys are going to get paid, 183 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna get in love. I don't think guys are 184 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: going to retire over the vaccination, but a coach losing 185 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: his job over it, that really made things real for me. 186 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA, I didn't and I thought Jerry 187 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: would walk a fine line. You know what, I think 188 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: Jerry did Colin. I think he and Michael Irvin are 189 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: extremely close. I'm not so sure that Jerry and Michael 190 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: hadn't talked before Michael's comments. I'm not saying he told 191 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: him to go off and rip anybody or anything like that. 192 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: I'm simply saying that they are very close. And even 193 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: though Michael basically called people out and said the guys 194 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: that aren't haven't hit the threshold, they don't want to 195 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl badly enough. Jerry, given the chance 196 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: to kind of walk that fine line, said, I agree 197 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: with everything Michael said. So I think it's easier for 198 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: Michael to send that message than for Jerry to come 199 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: out that strong. I mean, Jerry does not want to 200 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: be the bogey man and scare his guys, scare his players, 201 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: but he doesn't mind Michael doing it. So I kind 202 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: of everyone while I start thinking, I think those guys 203 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: might have been working together a little bit. The Big 204 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: Twelves is essentially the Mountain West Conference with humidity, without 205 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: Texas and Oklahoma. I mean, that's what it is. So 206 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: my first reaction to it is, you know they're saying, 207 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: is it just means more in the SEC, they're just 208 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: trying to assemble the biggest brands. They don't know how 209 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: it's going to shake out. Nobody knows how it's going 210 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: to shake out. But the SEC saying, listen, however it 211 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: shakes out, we're going to have the best assets. And 212 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: if you guys want to do realignment, if the NCAA 213 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: wants to step in, because what's happening with the SEC. 214 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: I heard a rumor today from a very reliable source. 215 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: The Big ten's going after USC hard hard. So my 216 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: takeaway is the SEC and the Big ten are saying, 217 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: we don't know how it shakes out, Matt, we just 218 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: want the best assets. So, you know, it's funny. Mike 219 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: Leach years ago made a prediction. He said, I think 220 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: we're going to end up with the PAC twelve, the 221 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: Big Ten in the SEC, and then some little Northeast 222 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: conference and the conferences won't matter as much. We'll have 223 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: an expanded playoff, and you know, if one conference has 224 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: six of the twelve teams, they do. I've always thought 225 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: that Texas and USC are two of the biggest glamor 226 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: brands in the sport. They don't win as much as 227 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: people think historically, but they're so valuable. Great cities Austin, Texas, 228 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. They're they're sexy, they're not rural, they're not southern. 229 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm not shocked by this. What was your initial reaction, 230 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: Let's start with that when the story broke. Well, I'm 231 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: reacting to this USC news right now, and I'm just 232 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: hoping the Trojans have the academics to get into the 233 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: Big ten. You know, they really love to brag on 234 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: their research, their research grants, and you've got to be 235 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: a certain level. So let's hope USC has the academics 236 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: to get in there. No, that's fast. That's very interesting 237 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: to me. I would like to if the Big ten's looking, 238 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: I would like him to look at Baylor, if they 239 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: truly wanted, you know, an academic bastion, my alma mater 240 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: and your Mountain West jokes. I mean I almost walked 241 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: out on that. I mean, we're we're in a world 242 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: of hurt, the leftovers in the Big twelve. So this 243 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: is hurting. Now. My initial reaction was this is the 244 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: most Texas thing ever. And what you said is so right. 245 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: There's two things that are happening. Two teams are going 246 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: in there. There's a football program with OU with wins constantly. 247 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: And there's a brand, and I mean there are people. 248 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the the UT brand, I get it. It's 249 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: a big deal. They bring it in a bunch of money. 250 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm just interested. The brand may be huge, but you'll 251 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: get you'll get swallow alive if you go in there 252 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: and they play like they have in the Big twelve. 253 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: And there's sixth or seventh and I mean right now, 254 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: they would be like fourth and whatever whatever they end 255 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: up in in the West or fifth, I mean that's 256 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: where they are. That's kind of what level they've been 257 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: playing at. Seven. So I mean A and M has 258 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: actually gotten pretty good. I mean they're going in this 259 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: year is whatever expected to be number maybe four or 260 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: five of the country. So this thing's paid off for them. 261 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: I just think it's hilarious. The way we see this 262 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: in Texas is they can't stand for little brother, which 263 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: is A and M to go and have all this 264 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: success and enjoy the riches and the whatever that come 265 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: with the sec They just couldn't stand it anymore and 266 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: they had to go jump in. And what you got 267 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: to know about ut they may be a great brand, 268 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: what they also are or home wreckers, and they screw 269 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: up everything they join. And they in the Big twelve 270 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: gave them everything they possibly could have wanted. Like the 271 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: Longhorn Network, nobody else got anything. What did oh you get? 272 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: I mean I don't even think anything exists up there, 273 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: like as far as like a special network we got. 274 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: The rest of us got third tier rights, which means nothing. 275 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean literally, you don't you know, like it's like 276 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: watching stuff without broadcasters. I mean, there's It's Harley and 277 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: then they get their own network. It's not great, it's 278 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: not a great network, but they got it. So they've 279 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: been given everything in the world they want. So it's 280 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: just never enough. So what I tweeted about the other day, 281 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: and mostly you know, a lot of my Twitter stuff 282 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: is jokes. But the thing that I'm being truthful about 283 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: is people thought I was joking. Within two or three years, 284 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: Texas expects every single one of those schools to report 285 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: to it. They really do. And people say, well, they'll 286 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: have to fall in line. That won't happen. That's who 287 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: they are. So you say they're the biggest brand, the 288 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: USC and brand. I saw something today that you maybe 289 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: you retweet it. It was like some billion in the 290 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: billions or whatever. Their brand is the biggest, right above Alabama. 291 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: But you gotta you actually have to win in the 292 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: SEC to remain relevant. And they didn't even win in 293 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: the Big twelve, a conference that quite honestly is putting 294 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: out no NFL players in Texas couldn't win three titles 295 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: in twenty five years. And we're supposed to be in 296 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: the SEC. We're supposed to Oh my gosh, the SEC Sark. 297 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: I mean you guys on the West coast, y'all know Sark. 298 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean Washington, USC. He rehabbed his image because he 299 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: he did Alabama. 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I think USC, if Pete 335 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: Carroll's still the head coach and they are, whether they're 336 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: the pre eminent program, go one of them then I 337 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: think they have a lot more leverage here. You know, 338 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: I think whoever's going to be the head coach at 339 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: USC three years from now, maybe it's Clay Helton. I 340 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: feel like he's recruiting, you know, better now than he 341 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: did two years ago. But he's basically been on the 342 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: perennial high and you know, there's a lot of you 343 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: know this place too. They could they have enough talent 344 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: and they're in a league where it is nobody is 345 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: really close to them, at least in their division personnel wise. 346 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: So maybe Oregon has some guys USC really wants, and 347 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: there's there's you know, there's some at different programs. By 348 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: and large, USC you'd have to screw it up for 349 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: them to do worse than nine and three. And so 350 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: there is kind of weird, like kind of tricky region 351 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: of do they make us coaching change and feel like, hey, 352 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna push forward? Are they still gonna have Clay Heltman? 353 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: Feel like we're gonna be pretty good? But that is 354 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: not drawing people the way the PAC twelve needs USC 355 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: to be. And if Ohio State was a four and eight, 356 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: five and seven, six and six middling program, I'm not 357 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: saying USC's that far back, but it was a couple 358 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: of years ago. They had a really awful year and 359 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: they haven't had a great year in a long time. 360 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: Would that would diminish the Big ten in a big way? 361 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: You know? I mean the pact, the SEC always has 362 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: somebody really strong. Even when Alabama takes a step back 363 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: for a year, LSU has one of the best seasons 364 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: anybody's had in fifty years or so. It just kind 365 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: of there's always somebody there. If i'm USC, you know 366 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: you got it by the way. You just had a 367 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: new president, you had a new ad who's getting established. 368 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: Just in the last couple of years, you got a 369 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: scandal ridden university, not just in athletics, So they've had 370 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to kind of get try to 371 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: get a handle one. I think if they were to 372 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: go independent, it would be a really gutsy move. I 373 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: think it. I just don't know if they have the 374 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: foresight to be able to orchestrate it. When the rest 375 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: of the university is in such an instable situation, it 376 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like a move. USC is ready to jump 377 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: out and have the confidence to be able to be 378 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: proactive and that rated to pull it off. Notre Dame's 379 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: an academic power and right now a football power. I 380 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: don't feel they fit the SEC. I do feel they 381 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: fit the Big Ten. If I said, where's Notre Dame 382 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: in two years, what's your guests? My guess is they're 383 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: going to still be independent. They cling to that uniqueness, 384 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, if they go to the Big Ten. You 385 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: know what you just said. You know, Notre Dame is 386 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: a great academic the institution. So is Michigan. So is Northwestern. 387 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: By the way, Northwestern is like kind of in the 388 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: same footprint, as you know, and nearby Chicago, even closer 389 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: to Chicago. It's not to say that Notre Dame would 390 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: fall apart in the Big Ten. But whatever they are, 391 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: I mean, they recruit nationally. SODA's Ohio State. Ohio State 392 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: has been able to get closer to the you know, 393 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: they won a national title, albeit it was you know, 394 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: it was a little while ago now, but I think 395 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: that's the challenge Notre Dame is going. You know, they 396 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: have the right coach, Brian Kelly has done a tremendous 397 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: job there. Now. They've gotten blown out whenever they've gotten 398 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: really close in the playoff, and I think the challenge 399 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: is if they go someplace else, if they go to 400 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: the Big ten, if they try to, you know, make 401 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: it permanent with the ACC. You're right, I don't see them. 402 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't. And this was something I heard in my 403 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: reporting a week ago, was that among the financial models 404 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: and projections ESPN did with Greg Sanky that included Texas 405 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: and Oklahoma. I understand that there was something you know, 406 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: kicked around about Notre Dame. I don't, you know, Notre 407 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: Dame seems like a really odd fit to me with 408 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: the SEC and you know, I just feel like when 409 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: you talk to you know, I talked to the new 410 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: commissioner of the PAC twelve the other day, George Kleopkov, 411 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: and one of the things that you know, you hear 412 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: talk about is cultural fit of how things are. I mean, 413 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that's entirely a cop out at certain 414 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: places that really cling to it, and I think Notre 415 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: Dame is definitely one of those places that it would 416 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: just seem like you really want to get into this 417 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: end of the pool. We're going to bring a guest 418 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: today on that has created an already successful business, and 419 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: the business he had was called overtime. Now If you 420 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: have not heard of Overtime, you're probably over fifty years old. 421 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: Overtime is a sports brand founded five years ago by 422 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: a man named Dan Porter and Zach Weener. Overtime distributed 423 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: content through all the major social platforms. It now has, 424 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: five years later, nearly fifty million followers two billion views 425 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: a month the account. The Overtime account show highlights from 426 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: top high school athletes. Trey Young, by the way, got 427 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: his initial exposure through Overtime and then five years later. 428 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: This year, Overtime announced it was forming a new professional 429 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: basketball league called Overtime Elite that will launch in about 430 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: seven weeks. The league will pay seventeen and eighteen year 431 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: olds to play basketball in Atlanta. The players will receive 432 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: at least one hundred grand salary and equity in the league. 433 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: They can forego high school, they can forego college basketball 434 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: and the G League. Kevin Durant, David Stern, the late 435 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: David Stern, both investors. Not only is Overtime a raging success, 436 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: I believe Overtime Elite, as we describe it to you, 437 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: the nurturing of sixteen seventeen year old athletes a choice 438 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: they didn't previously had, will fundamentally within a decade change basketball. 439 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: It has almost a European academy feel to it. It 440 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: is a fascinating business, and I wish I had the 441 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: money to invest. And so now Dan is joining us 442 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: with the Overtime Elite Basketball League debuting in September. So, 443 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: first of all, give me Dan your kitchen table moment 444 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: you were in executive, a very successful guy, the kitchen 445 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: table moment with you and Zach when you said why 446 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: didn't we think of this before? For us, it started 447 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: when I worked at Endeavor William Morris Endeavor WMIMG and 448 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: I was running the digital talent division. I had started 449 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: and sold some companies before that, and I went in 450 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: and I started talking to the major sports leagues in 451 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen. And they're very smart and they 452 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: do an insane amount of research, and they all basically said, like, 453 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: we're really concerned about the next generation of fans, right, 454 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: you know you have you know MBA and NFL fans, 455 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: like young people picking their favorite team based on playing 456 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: two K and Madden. And I grew up in Philadelphia, 457 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: like you didn't have a choice, you're an Eagles fan 458 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: or like your neighbor would beat you up. Like the 459 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: idea that I was like, Oh, you know, I think 460 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: the Saints look amazing. I love their uniform because I 461 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: played them every time I played MAD and they're going 462 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,479 Speaker 1: to be my favorite team. That was not a narrative 463 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: that ever happened. And why do we care about that. 464 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: We care about that because cities rely on fans to 465 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: watch local broadcast, to come to games, to fill those games, 466 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: and so it was clear that the nature of the 467 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: fan was changing. It was clear that the access, like 468 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: we have less than half the people in this country 469 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: have camp television, and so their ability to watch and 470 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: it's like, oh is that game blacked out? How do 471 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: I watch that other game? And all that type of 472 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: stuff like that, And it's clear that you know the 473 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: viewer now, who's eighteen twenty twenty four. Even us, we 474 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: have so much choice that we've never had before. Right. 475 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: We can watch Netflix, we can watch Game of Thrones, 476 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: we can listen to five different podcasts on con Cowhard's 477 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: podcast network. We can play Fortnite like Call of Duty. 478 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: Like there's so many things. And I remember I went 479 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: to Europe and I sat with like one of the 480 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: most famous soccer football coaches of all time, and he's like, look, 481 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm worried in ten years kid who grew up playing 482 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: Fortnite isn't going to be filling the stadium. And so 483 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: you kind of set away from that and you think, okay, well, 484 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of opportunities in sports. Here I am. 485 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm representing like all the biggest creators, YouTubers, Instagrammers. I mean, 486 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: these people have billions of views, and here sports is 487 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 1: is saying like, oh my gosh, we're worried about the future. 488 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: And the future isn't like getting a cool YouTuber to 489 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: come to a game and be like, hey, kids, football's cool. 490 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: You should start sitting for three hours on your couch 491 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: and you know, watching. And so it was clear that 492 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: each generation need a different story, a different narrative. And 493 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: we thought between the fact that Zach at that time 494 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: was twenty four to twenty five and this was his generation, 495 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: the fact that I had this experience running these companies 496 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: and then was representing all these big creators, that we 497 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: could create something that was really different. And what's interesting 498 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: is that we basically had to look for where our 499 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: opportunity was. So if everybody was index Live Sports we 500 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: went an index on social you know, if everybody was 501 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: like the only thing that matters is you know, pro 502 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: sports were like, let's find opportunities which people in areas 503 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: of people don't think about. People didn't think in twenty 504 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: fourteen that you could build a big sports business on 505 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: top of every social platform. They didn't think anybody cared 506 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: about a bunch of kids in high school. And if 507 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: I say it, like they don't care about a bunch 508 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: of kids in high school, they don't care about a 509 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: bunch of kids in high school. And I think, what 510 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: we understand. But if I say this is Iam Williamson, 511 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: this guy is literally pulverizing rims, and I'm going to 512 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: show you stuff that happens and it's gonna feel amazing. 513 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, they care. And part of the 514 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: secret of overtime was almost the antithesis about everything that 515 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: we know about sports. So what do we like to 516 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: talk about? What place are they in? What's their one 517 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: loss record? Like baseball? How many games out are they? 518 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: You know, what's his percentage from the free throw line. 519 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: When you start to talk about a player nobody's heard about, 520 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: like it makes people not care, Like if I show 521 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: Zion or LaMelo Ball or any of these young players 522 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: who are coming out. Nobody knows what place their team 523 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: is in. They don't know what league there, and they 524 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: don't even know a team they play in. Right, They're like, 525 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: this is a dope story about a bunch of cool kids. 526 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: I want to be like that kid. And by the way, 527 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: I saw him before he was in the NBA draft. 528 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: And so in a weird way, taking all the preconceptions 529 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: that we have, the only thing that matters is pro sports. 530 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: The only thing that matters is live games, and everybody 531 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: cares about stats and standings and everything else, and essentially 532 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: turning those on our head. That's kind of how we 533 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: snuck up on everyone. And then you create overtime elite 534 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: basketball league that doesn't you're going to go in. You 535 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: have a huge facility in Atlanta, and essentially what you're 536 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: gonna do, And this is where I don't understand how 537 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: you do it? How do you? Because Nike's in this business, 538 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: they go find fourteen year olds that are great twelve 539 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: year olds. They Dwight Howard when he's eleven. You're gonna 540 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: go find elite high school basketball players and say don't 541 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: go to college, don't go to the G League. Come 542 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: to overtime elite like an academy in Europe, right, and 543 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna stay there for so the players do they 544 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: come to you or do you go scout and find them? Yeah, 545 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: it's a good question. So the first thing I want 546 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: to say is like, I am pro college, I'm pro 547 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: the G League, I'm pro everything. I think for us, 548 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: we wanted to create another choice and another option, and 549 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: I feel like there's literally nothing more American than having 550 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: freedom of choice. And three or four years ago, you 551 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: had one choice, right, used to at least be able 552 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: to go to the NBA out of high school. Your 553 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: choice was you had to go play one and done 554 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: or you had to be like one of one of 555 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: a million players and go play in Europe. And lack 556 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: of choice is bad because every player is different, every 557 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: young person is different, every family situation is different, and 558 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: so we just wanted to offer a choice that was 559 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: different from college and where you know, you said you 560 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: said this stuff about the G League. I think the 561 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: point about the G League is the G League is 562 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: a development league. It's not a media property, right, Like, 563 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: it's a great option for to develop players, to stash 564 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: players to do things like that. But at the core 565 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: team owners own an NBA team, they don't need a 566 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: competing media product for you know, their NBA team, that's 567 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: a fantastic media product. But for us, you know, we 568 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: can do both. We can offer an option to players. 569 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: We scout players. We were coup players. Players reach out 570 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: to us. We're international, right, you know, you think about 571 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: who won the MVP. Honest, he didn't go to Duke, 572 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, neither did Luca don Chich. Neither did any 573 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: of these guys, as you know, because you were making 574 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,479 Speaker 1: the academy references. And so for us, we scout players 575 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: come to us. We're trying to find twenty four thirty 576 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: young people we think are going to be pros and 577 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 1: the NBA or abroad. We want to give them essentially 578 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: the Juilliard of basketball with education around them. Now, we 579 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: want to create a dope media product like you have, 580 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: like the best voice for radio, Like you should come 581 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: down and call a game for us, because I don't 582 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: need another version of Marv Albert, Like Marve Albert's amazing 583 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: and like all that stuff. I go on a catatonic 584 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: stupor when I hear those announcers because it makes me 585 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: feel like I'm in the seventies, eighties, and nineties and 586 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: the five but like that hasn't changed. Like I could 587 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: watch a game now and it feels like I'm watching 588 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: a game in nineteen seventy nine, except Howard Cosell is dead. 589 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: Like there's really almost no change or innovation in the 590 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: whole nature of the broadcast. And I think for us, 591 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: we have this amazing thing. We can take the players, 592 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: we can train them, and we can pay them because 593 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: they want to make money now, and we can create 594 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: a media product around it because we don't have to 595 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: touch what's on the court, right we don't have a 596 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: five point shot or at ten point shot. We could 597 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: change the way it's filmed, which is why we built 598 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: our own kind of sound stage, our show court to plan. 599 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: We can change the way it's called, we can change 600 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: the way the fans engage. Like we have almost like 601 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: a blank whiteboard in terms of our ability to create 602 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: innovation around that. And if you ask me, how do 603 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: you know when you're successful. I feel like we'll be 604 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: successful when other leagues copy stuff that we've done. If 605 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: you look at Instagram now sports at our house to highlights. 606 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: Those guys they look like overtime like. They use our captions, 607 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: they use our videos. So I consider that success. Does 608 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: it annoy me absolutely, But like the fact that in 609 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: four years we could create innovation about visual and what 610 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: text looks like. There. I think that that's some of 611 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: the power that wraps it up for the week. We're 612 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: heading into another big week here at The Volume. Make 613 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: sure to subscribe and follow us at the Volume Sports 614 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram. The Volume