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Speaker 1: This podcast, can it spoilers for Star Wars Visions Volume

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Speaker 1: two plus Star Wars Jedi Survivor. Hello, my name is

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Speaker 1: Jason Concepcion.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Rosie Night and welcome to x.

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Speaker 1: Ray Vision, the Crooked Media podcast where we dive deep

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Speaker 1: into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, we are going to the Galaxy Far

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Speaker 2: far Away. For Previously on, it's a grab bag of

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Speaker 2: Star Wars news, some sad, some good, some exciting. In

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Speaker 2: the airlock it's Star Wars Visions Volume two and Jedi Survivor,

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Speaker 2: which is really really good. And in that out it's

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Speaker 2: a theory on a potential direction for James Mangold's Star

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Speaker 2: Wars film. I mean, and it's so good. This leans

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Speaker 2: into like one of my favorite parts of all Star

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Speaker 2: Wars canons, So I cannot wait for you guys to.

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Speaker 3: Hear it up next.

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Speaker 1: Previously on, first up, some sad news on Sunday. Depending

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Speaker 1: on when you're hearing this, it is May twenty first

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Speaker 1: is the date we are speaking of. The Irish actor

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Speaker 1: Ray Stevenson passed away at the way too young age

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Speaker 1: of fifty eight. He was the star of lots of

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Speaker 1: movies such as Punisher, war Zone AKA a good movie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Arthur. Yeah, can we talk about it? It's

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Speaker 1: a good movie. King Arthur, the Thor films of course,

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Speaker 1: as a member of one of the Thors buddies, Volstag,

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Speaker 1: the Gregarious Friend of Thors, and of course the television

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Speaker 1: show which brought him to my attention in HBO's Rome,

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Speaker 1: star of the upcoming Ahsoka series, Very sad Man. Rome was.

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Speaker 1: Rome was a show that it kind of got in

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Speaker 1: there before peak TV. It was a tremendously expensive show

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Speaker 1: for its time, and it was it was kind of

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Speaker 1: a uh outgrowth of a BBC Yes series of like

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Speaker 1: historical dramatic reenactment documentaries about various figures from uh from

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Speaker 1: Rome's History, Ancient Rome's History and Man Rome Has Slept On.

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Speaker 1: It was clear.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, if you're a Game of Thrones fan,

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Speaker 2: you got to watch Rome. In England, there were two

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Speaker 2: and it was a different BBC show called The Tutors

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Speaker 2: that was about like young Henry the eighth and his

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Speaker 2: wives and they both had this similar unbelievable production value.

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Speaker 2: The Tutors has, like Henry Carville in it, Jonathan Reese

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Speaker 2: Meyer's plays Henry the Eighth. There's all kinds of incredible

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Speaker 2: famous people. But when it comes to Rome, if you've

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Speaker 2: seen it, Ray Stevenson's character is the character you will

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Speaker 2: remember like every time.

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Speaker 1: It's He plays Titus Polo, who is this a former

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Speaker 1: Roman soldier who falls like into criminality and immorality. He's

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Speaker 1: kind of a nihilist. He's seen so much violence that

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Speaker 1: And then the show revolves around Titus Polo's friendship with

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Speaker 1: the centurion Lucius Vernus, who's more of this upright, you know,

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Speaker 1: very by the book character, and it has a little

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Speaker 1: very minor characters who kind of just below the scope

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Speaker 2: Of my favorite ways to tell a story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really really cool and their friendship is wonderful,

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Speaker 1: and they did a lot. It's like the early seasons

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Speaker 1: budget so they couldn't really show you the battle, you'd

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Speaker 2: The lost time in the in the fleet pits.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was truly wonderful in that and that's

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Speaker 1: the show got canceled in the second season because it

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it's a wonderful physical actor in that role

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Speaker 1: like action drama, emotion. Uh, and it's it's quite sad.

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Speaker 2: It is, really, it's really sad loss. And it's very

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Speaker 2: interesting because you are you're right, Rome was such and

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Speaker 2: Very visually similar. Right now you say that, I am

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Speaker 1: Do you want to do you want to briefly advocate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that seems well up our Ali.

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Speaker 1: That's two thousand and eight entry into the mc the

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Speaker 1: a lot of iterations of The Punisher. In Yeah, whether

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Speaker 2: You have Dominic West as Jigsaw and like the most campy,

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Speaker 2: I think you make a great point. It's the pulpiness

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Speaker 1: And if you haven't watched Rome and you're listening to

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Speaker 1: say you'll like Rome.

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Speaker 2: You will like Rome. If you like Game of Thrones,

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Speaker 1: Ray has played a couple of roles in the Star

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Speaker 1: of course he voiced Gar Saxon and Star Wars Rebels

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Speaker 1: and Clone Wars. Speaking of Star Wars, some news, some

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Speaker 1: recent news, kind of spoilery. This is spoilery, but it's

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Speaker 2: It's out there. It was confirmed by a cost member.

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Speaker 2: If you don't want any spoilers going into a Soca,

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Speaker 1: I'll just say this. It's a spoiler, but it's more

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Speaker 1: It opens up questions that are not answered, and the

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Speaker 1: here it is from the SFF Gazette quote. In an

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Speaker 1: Wars celebration last month, Natasha lu Bordizo's Sabine Wren was

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Speaker 1: shown wielding a green lightsaber. Now Natasha has then confirmed

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Speaker 1: that she would be wielding a lightsaber, and the rumor

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Speaker 4: Lightsaber, yes, which I think would be so cool, and

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Speaker 4: I think people who are at so libration have said

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Speaker 4: a lot of people are saying, you know, it would

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Speaker 4: make a lot of sense, especially as we saw Ezra

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Speaker 2: Excited would you be if it was Ezra's lightsaber?

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Speaker 1: I mean it just raises so many questions such as,

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Speaker 2: Where is he? Where is that man? That's what we

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Speaker 1: Let's stay that. Do we know how many episodes.

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Speaker 2: Is going to Let's just say it's like eight the middle,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say by episode three, I think there's gonna

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Speaker 1: I hope it's way earlier than that.

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Speaker 2: You need to have him in that second half of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I what do you think the do

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Speaker 1: going to be Ezra centric or something else like get

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Speaker 2: I think that Sabin, if she finds out what Ezra is,

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Speaker 2: and they're coming together, maybe more about Thrown than Ezra

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Speaker 2: and Ezra's like a nice surprise.

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Speaker 1: I keep thinking about Thron and Ezra like hanging out somewhere,

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Speaker 1: kind of like do you remember the movie Enemy Mine? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like a you know, so, like Ezra and Thron hanging

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Speaker 2: That could be a pretty unbelievable bottle episode. You know,

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Speaker 2: the friends to Allah like enemies to allies, pushed together

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Speaker 2: or act like it happened, but that history is always there.

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Speaker 2: I think that would add like a super interesting layer.

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Speaker 2: So if you're dying to spend six thousand dollars to

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Speaker 2: We're stepping out of the airlock and into a galaxy

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Speaker 2: Wars programming and Star Wars video games, beginning with Star

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Speaker 1: Before we get into Jedi Survivor, released very very recently

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Speaker 2: I feel like that having the Grade I having a comeback.

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Speaker 1: take on a dark side power to save someone's life

435
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: that is doing good, that is fighting for the light,

436
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: it feels like a weird loophole that needs to be addressed.

437
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: And it's a fascinating moral question because because listen, we've

438
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: seen worse Force users be redeemed right. So using the

439
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: using dark powers once maybe twice to do something really

440
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: good to save someone's life.

441
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 2: I think it speaks to that really interesting moral complexity

442
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: that the games are often allowed that you are not

443
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: so much allowed in the main Cannon stories that we

444
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: kind of know, which is like this idea of light

445
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: and dark and good and evil. The games give us

446
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: a space to play into that a little bit more.

447
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: I actually do think that one of the reasons that

448
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: fall in order and in general, like this series is

449
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: speaking so much to people of our age is like

450
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: it's very like Force unleashed, you know, and obviously Force

451
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: unleashed too, Like there's these real emotional, iconic storylines that

452
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: are being told here. That you couldn't necessarily tell in

453
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: the structure of television. And also, as we talked about

454
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: extensively with the Last of Us, when you are the

455
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: person who has to make those choices, they become a

456
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: lot more impactful and you become more invested in them.

457
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: Another thing that's really cool about Fallen Order is it

458
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: delves into the kind of fallout of the Battle of

459
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: Dathamir carried out by a General Grievous, which is basically

460
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: the Dathameyrian Order sixty six. You know, the magic wielding

461
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: Night Sisters were all about.

462
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: Night Sisters love.

463
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: So good and you get to hang out with what

464
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: is potentially the sole survivor of the Battle of the

465
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: Dathmeir in Fallen Order and the relationship that that character

466
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: has with cal is.

467
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Marin is like one of my favorite characters. Yes,

468
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: just such a great character. I also think something that

469
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: this game does so well in Fallen Order is it

470
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: really evokes that found family storytelling that I think so

471
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 2: many of us are drawn to. And I'm not going

472
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: to say very rebels, very rebels, but it feels so

473
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: Star Wars and it feels like you are part of

474
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: that family and you fall in love with these characters,

475
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna agree with you about like, this game

476
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: has a choice, a very big choice at the end

477
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: that that occurs that to me, is one of the

478
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: most ethical choices I've ever seen in Star Wars, and

479
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: I feel like nobody ever makes those choices because they

480
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: contradict these really huge rules and laws that bind Star Wars.

481
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 2: The Jedi they're good, they're benelevolent. The Sith they're evil,

482
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: and there's kind of this idea that you have to

483
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: propagate one and stop the other. And I just think

484
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: that they make these really this hugely ethical choice at

485
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: the end that I still think about to this day.

486
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: It's a it's a brief choice storytelling wise, too, because

487
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: it if the story was told in a less skillful way,

488
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: then that choice essentially negates the whole reason giling and

489
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: playing very much. Actually yeah, right, right, right, But it

490
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: doesn't in a in a way that feels totally earned,

491
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: and you just feel good. I felt good maybe that

492
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: with that choice.

493
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: Also, you make a great point because it's really brave

494
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 2: narratively because it shuts down the main option of what

495
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: you would think a sequel would be. So when many

496
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: game comes out, You're like, oh, what are you going

497
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: to do in this game? But you get to do

498
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: so much and it's very we were talking about this today.

499
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: This starts in the first game, but I feel like

500
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: it really expands in Survivor. This is very uncharted, it's

501
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: very action platform er. It's very much like this adventure

502
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: scavenger live in the world of Star Wars, which who

503
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: doesn't want to do that?

504
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, now we've raved about Following Order, and now I'm

505
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: going to tell you some of my criticisms of the

506
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: game because this is going to play into our discussion

507
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: of Star Wars Jedi Survivor, because Star Wars Jedi Survivor

508
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: has largely addressed any kind of shortcoming with the papers

509
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: game now. So, first of all, starting with the fact

510
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: that Fallen Order is a lot more of a Souls

511
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: Born type action experience than I think I was expecting

512
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: coming in from you know, any of the other previous

513
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: Star Wars games that you that you've ever played a

514
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: third person Star Wars games, right Force unleashed any of

515
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: those others that felt super good, but kind of I

516
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: would say went more towards the kind of like hack

517
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: and slash gameplay like the Force powers were amazing, but

518
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: when you're using your lightsaber, you could really just kind

519
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: of spam and Fallen Order was much more precise. You

520
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: really had to you really had to hit your Perry's,

521
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: you really had to hit your dodges, you really had

522
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: to hit your counters, and you really had to react

523
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: precisely to what your enemies are doing. And the Phone Order,

524
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: much like Jedi Survivor, took this really kind of naturalistic,

525
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: realistic kind of approach to the game where there's not

526
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: a lot of time, there's not a ton of information

527
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: on your hood. The video gamey aspects, the visual video

528
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: gamey language is really really toned down, and that made

529
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: it kind of hard to pick up for me anyway,

530
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: to pick up cues, to understand what was going on,

531
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: to even like figure out where I was on a map,

532
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: like I just get lost a lot. And I think, honestly,

533
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: part of what makes Star Wars Jedi Starve so good

534
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: is they've figured that out. I don't know if they've

535
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: widened the hip boxes or what worked, or given you

536
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: better signals about here's the attack that's coming from the

537
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: opponent that is fighting you, But it just feels fighting

538
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: feels better. Moving feels better. It feels like they've given

539
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: you slightly better cues about where to go. I'm still

540
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: getting lost in.

541
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: Jeder maybe I get lost occasionally, But I think you're

542
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: totally right. I think that it feels incredibly streamlined and

543
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: clean compared to Fallen Order. I really, I'm like you.

544
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: I love the story. I think it's a really great

545
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: bit of Star Wars storytelling, and the narrative was just

546
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: so engaging to me once I got into it, But

547
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: the gameplay did not hook me in that way. Like

548
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: if it had been Fallen Order versus Breath of the Wild,

549
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been like a competition for my attention.

550
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: But Jedi Survivor the gameplay and the melee fighting, which

551
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: everyone knows. I love those Arkhambatman games. It's like one

552
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: of my all time favorite games. I talk about them all.

553
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: The time, same same.

554
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: And this has more of that to me, like that fluid.

555
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: The gameplay is exciting, you want to get back, and

556
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: the story is great and at this point, I love

557
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: cal I want to know more about this world. I

558
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: want to find these character does I want I'm invested already.

559
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: I love bda backpack droid what like a brilliant idea, Like,

560
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: I love all of that stuff. So this time, so far,

561
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: that gameplay has been so much more engaging and just

562
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: addictive basically to me to the point where it is

563
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: competing with Zelda for my time. And obviously Tis of

564
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 2: the Kingdom is one of the best games I've ever played.

565
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, a Jedi Surriver for the first time since Force Unleashed,

566
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: and I think it is superior to Force Unleashed in

567
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: that it really there are moments in the action where

568
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, I feel like a badass. Yeah, I

569
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: feel like a fucking badass.

570
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: Everything is chasing the very famous moment in the foreshong

571
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: Leash series where you pull down a star destroy you know,

572
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: with the force and like that you get that I'm

573
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: not even anywhere close to doing anything like that, But

574
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: while playing Jedi Survivor you get moments where you feel

575
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: like that, like you feel like a bad And also

576
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: something that we talked about in the like pre pro

577
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: when we were prepping for this episode that you were

578
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: up I think so true, is like the way that

579
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: they time the fights. Now you feel like the impact

580
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: of the hits or you feel the impact of the

581
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 2: blocks and the parrys, and you really feel like you're

582
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 2: making conscious decisions on how to fight, and you feel

583
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: like it's really easy to actually train yourself. It feels

584
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: a lot less button bashy than I felt like the

585
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: combat in the first one did.

586
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: Let's talk about those Arkham games because I think it's

587
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: illustrative of what we're talking about. I think that the

588
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: whether it's I think those Arkham games were extremely influential

589
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: to the Shadow of Mortar series, to the Spider Man series,

590
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: of the Miles Morales games, of course, because it's it's

591
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: a perfect action loop where you punch a bad guy,

592
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: another bad guy comes to punch you, and you can

593
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: choose to either dodge or perry, and with a perry

594
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: comes a counter to attack that enemy. And that very

595
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: very tight loop of like attack, perry, counter attack is

596
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: so satisfying when you really let the player enjoy it,

597
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: and Jedi Survivor really does it. I don't know if

598
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: it's that they kind of dialed down the speed of

599
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: the of the Perry animatic, like it feels like now

600
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: when you perry, the action slows down just enough for

601
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: you to really feel like I hit it.

602
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: Yea.

603
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: It feels so good in this game to hit the

604
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: perry and then go on the counter attack. And those

605
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: are the moments where it's like I had this sequence

606
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: on Coruscant where I run up. Here come the stormtroopers.

607
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: There's a lot of them. I go double blade. I

608
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: push one stormtrooper off the edge. He goes fly with

609
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: the force. He goes flying. I harry several of the

610
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: shock staff guys and just cut them up. I use

611
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: my why force attack to like throw my lightsaber, so

612
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: it goes like in a boomerang circle all around the guys.

613
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Just cut him up. Now there's one guy left. I

614
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: pull him towards me with the forest and just cut

615
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: his arm off. And it was amazing, and it was

616
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: so fluid. And I think that's the thing that feels

617
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: like they really really really dialed it in for this game.

618
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: It feels much less random, it feels much more intuitive,

619
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: and it feels like the game really worked hard to

620
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: put you in control of all the moves.

621
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something that makes me so much more engaged

622
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: in a game as I get old. I know I

623
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: complained about this a lot with The Lost of Us,

624
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: but I am feeling it now. I'm also feeling like

625
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: we were unnecessarily harsh to the Mandalorians who killed all

626
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: those creatures, because I have killed a lot of creatures

627
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: in this game. You have to kill a lot of

628
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: things to stay alive. But you know what, obviously Stormtroopers

629
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: they're Nazis, you know, but like they also we know

630
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: that there's a complex reality to how stormtroopers were brainwashed

631
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: and probably like recruited. But one of the things that

632
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: I really love about this kind of gameplay is it

633
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: engrosses you so much and makes you want to win,

634
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: and you're so invested in Cow's mission, and then you

635
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: get the additive nature of that fluidity, those combos, the

636
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: kind of way that you can play around with the

637
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 2: different troopers that you have to fight, the different stances

638
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: you have. It makes you enjoy it even when you're

639
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: murdering many many stormtroopers. I have killed so many Stormtroopers because,

640
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: like you say, if you just they know the impact

641
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 2: of a lightsaber in this game, like if you cut

642
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: off an arm at a wrong angle, that guy's dead.

643
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: Like it's not it's not happening for him.

644
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: It is, uh, it is gnarly in that sense, Like

645
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: you are absolutely severing limbs in this game with your lightsaber.

646
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: I agree with a wonderful critic in the Guardian Video Paratritic,

647
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: I quite enjoy a Simon Parkin wrote in his review

648
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: of Jedi Survivor, whatever you feel toward the game. Director

649
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: hit Atteca Miyazaki's fantasy of dark souls, Bloodborne, Securo and

650
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: Elden Ring a constellation of hits often referred to as

651
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: the soul Born set. The impact of his studio From

652
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: Software's work on the blockbuster video game industry is with

653
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: the arrival of Star Wars Jedi Survivor in disputable, that's it.

654
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: They have taken that souls Born mechanic of here comes

655
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: the big bad They're they're attacking me. I can't just

656
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: button mash. I have to very very precisely time my

657
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: block so that it parries. And if I parry him,

658
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: the enemy is stunned. And now I can go on

659
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: the attack.

660
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 2: And I have lots of dodging.

661
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: Lots of dodging, and you have to dodge very precisely,

662
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: and you and you're rewarded for dodging and parrying. It is.

663
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: It is a wonderful and addictive little gameplay and I agree

664
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: with parkin that the creators of this game have absolutely

665
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: stolen that mechanic and use it for Jedi Survivor, and

666
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: it feels like how you would fight as a Jedi.

667
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: This is what it would be like, because if you

668
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: think about, you know, blaster bolts coming in at you

669
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: at high speed and other stormtroopers coming in with like

670
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: different melee weapons to attack you, you would have to

671
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: be very precise and very skilled. And you feel, much

672
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: like the way the ar Game games made me feel

673
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: like Batman made me feel skilled, you feel skilled now.

674
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: The Arkham games did something very interesting to me, which

675
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: is I felt like, for the first time that I

676
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: really understood Batman, because if you're that good at fighting,

677
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: you'd never you'd kind of never stop like this is

678
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: I realized that's why Batman doesn't kill. It's not necessarily

679
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 1: because he has a code it is, but it's also

680
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: because on some level, in my head canon, he wants

681
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: them to get out.

682
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: He wants I don't know, I think that's actually intrinsic.

683
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: We could do a whole episode about this, but I

684
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: think that's intrinsic to Batman's psychology. And also he does

685
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: have a code. But I wrote a very long thanks

686
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: to my editor Joshua Yale, because it was incredibly long

687
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: and we really had to work it down because there's

688
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: a lot of history. Batman's code is very gray. It

689
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: sometimes exists, sometimes it doesn't. He does because sometimes kill people.

690
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: You know, in the forties he's shooting people out of

691
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: helicopters with guns. In the eighty nine movie, he's having

692
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: a lot of fun killing people. But I totally agree,

693
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: and I also think the other thing that the Arkham

694
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: games do so well, especially in Arkham City, it's like

695
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: you understand why Batman does it, not only because he

696
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: is incredibly good at fighting and he just wants to

697
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: keep fighting people, and also it makes him feel good

698
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: because it makes us feel good. But there are so

699
00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: many Hensche's villains, you get that feeling of it stops

700
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: being about those funny kind of intellectual conversations we have

701
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: about like should Bruce Wayne be investing more into Gotham.

702
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: When you play those games, you realize like there is

703
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: no amount of investment because in Batman's eyes and in

704
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 2: Batman's experience, these henschies, these villains, these super villains, they

705
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: just constantly respawn and it's overwhelming, and you get that

706
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: feeling playing that game in a way I don't think

707
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: the comics have ever made me feel.

708
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: So Jedi Survivor gives you that feeling. I'm so good

709
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: at this and I want to get better, and they

710
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: Chris super producer Chris brought this up. They do something

711
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: very I don't know, smart at what, but they do

712
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: something very cool, which is you don't lose all your

713
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: Fallen Order powers. Yeah, they just kind of build upon them,

714
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: which is kind of an evolution.

715
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't you don't have to start from jump like

716
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: you have these cool powers. You have these abilities, and

717
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: that makes it so much more instantly engrossing and makes

718
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 2: it feel more deeply connected to the first one.

719
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: I agree, But it also made me feel like, you know,

720
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: like this is I think too deeply about about Jedis.

721
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: But this is also the Jedi's problem. They're too They're

722
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: too good at this. They're too good at dealing out

723
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: violence in ways that looks really really cool. They're too

724
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: good at like dodging malaster bolts and looking like you know,

725
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: basically gods that walk the surface of planets. And I

726
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: think that part of the downfall of the Jedi is

727
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: the fact that they felt so good in their power

728
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: that they just missed him. Because because when you when

729
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: you play his cow and he's not even a particularly

730
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: powerful Jedi at this point in his his training was

731
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: cut short, and you know, you spoiler, you see him

732
00:42:53,280 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: get very, very easily waxed by a very powerful Ark

733
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: Force user who I don't want to spoil but probably

734
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: you could figure it out at the end of Fallen Order.

735
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: And that's a pretty good gauge of his power. Although

736
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: and and you know, he's fighting with the Inquisitors who

737
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: give who are very challenging, particularly really Jedi Survivor very challenging.

738
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: But then again, the Inquisitors, their training is like purposefully imperfect,

739
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: you know, because Darth's and the Emperor don't really want

740
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: to create any Dark Force users that could ever be

741
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: a threat to them, and cal has They're a challenge,

742
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: but it's still man when you when I'm fighting Ninth

743
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: Sister spoiler early in this game, it's a super challenge

744
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do it again, which leads me

745
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: to my one. Here's a critique of Jedi Survivor. We've

746
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: been talking about Arkham. One of the cool things about

747
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,959
Speaker 1: the Arcan games is they give you that battle mode

748
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: where you could go to different areas on that and

749
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: just fight fifty enemies.

750
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: Constantly, and you can do different characters fighting different enemies

751
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: with different weapons.

752
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: You're not. Yeah, it was so good and when I like,

753
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: when I finished the game, I would just play that

754
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: for hours. Yeah. I want that in a Jedi Survivor game.

755
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: I want to be dropped into an arena of like

756
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: one hundred fucking stormtroopers and ten inquisitors and I want

757
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: to take them all on all at once.

758
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: Imagine how fun that would be. And not only that,

759
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: imagine how sick the actual like. You could literally have

760
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: it be an arena and you could have aliens watching.

761
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: You could just do it for credits or skins or

762
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: whatever they want to give you a gift, But that

763
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: would be so much fun. I would love that. I

764
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: would play that just endlessly.

765
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: Respawn Entertainment. The creators of this game, UH, take it

766
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: from me. If you release a DLC battle mode for

767
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: Jedi Survivor, I fucking guarantee you it'll be hit people.

768
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: It will be hit crazy for it.

769
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: We will be right about that. It will be a hit.

770
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: Because the fighting again, you know, the fighting again in

771
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: Fallen Order, it felt a little imperfect, It was very

772
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: it was felt kind of frustrating. Jars River does not

773
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: have that problem, and it just feels so good to

774
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: fight story.

775
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: It really does. It's it's a victimless crime. You're just

776
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: chopping people up.

777
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 3: You know.

778
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: The only time I started to feel guilty is once

779
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: you get off Chrusson and you have to start like monsters.

780
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: But then I was like, you know what, these guys

781
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: they never quit. Like I was trying mad shit on

782
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: the Mandalorian. I was like, why don't you just move

783
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: away from the pit, Why don't you just move away

784
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: from the alligator? But you know what, wherever you go

785
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: on these planets, there's some kind of cool alien trying

786
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: to kill you. So I'm sorry to those Mandalorians. I

787
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: have now committed many cool creature murders and I understand

788
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: where they're coming from. But yeah, this is just such

789
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: a fun game. I never saw a world where it

790
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: would split my attention in the way it has. But

791
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: the gaming is just so much fun, like not just obviously,

792
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: the fighting is just really good and such a I

793
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: feel like such a big step up. Fallen order. But

794
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: also I love all the adventure mechanics, Like it's so

795
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: much fun to be climbing. Even from the earliest parts

796
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 2: of the game, you're climbing things, you're shooting out ropes

797
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: to jump between things. BD's like setting up spaces for

798
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: you to do crazy high lines. You're walking along pipes,

799
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: like it gets you into that kind of action platformer

800
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: mode so quickly, and that is also really enjoyable. It

801
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like when you're not fighting, you're just wandering

802
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: around not sure what to do. It's like there's always something.

803
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: But I like you will say, look, I love games.

804
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: I play so many games. I've been playing them all

805
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: my life. I'm almost forty years old. I'm old. I've

806
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: been playing games. But you know what this game I

807
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: would like if there was a little option for just

808
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: like a Jedi Survivor for dummies, hud ui, like a

809
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: little option, it would be I to sometimes have a

810
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: little row point in me.

811
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's an absolutely fair critique. Again, Jedi

812
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: Survivor is really up the notch in terms of the

813
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: graphical quality, textural quality. It looks the wild.

814
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: Buildings are realistic. Yeah, it looks like you're watching a movie.

815
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: It really does. But attendant with that is the thing

816
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about where the game kind of issues the

817
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: very kind of video gamy visual language where it's like,

818
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: here's a fucking you know, bad version is here's a

819
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: flashing arrow that shows you where to go, or or

820
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: or a glowing line on the ground. Right, they're not

821
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: going to do that, but whatever, the much less dramatic

822
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: version of that jewed version, I could also use it

823
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: because well, here's the good thing. Also that Jedi Survivor

824
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: and Following Order did a little bit, but Jedi Survivor

825
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: has done I think a better job at If you

826
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: get lost on a map, there a lot of things

827
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: cool things to find.

828
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: Yes, uh, I found so many rad, weird, unexpected things

829
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: by going down a route that leads nowhere.

830
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that part of it is cool. But to your point,

831
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: I am getting lost a lot like me too. I

832
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: am getting lost.

833
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: I miss so many of the tiny cracks in the

834
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: wall that you have to squeeze through. Like a lot

835
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: of times, I'm like, guys, just put on the ensign

836
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: above there for me. So I am silly. I am

837
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: apparently not very good at seeing these, but I'll be

838
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: like walking around all the four I'm feeling full of adrenaline.

839
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm so sick, I just can't wait. I'm

840
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: cowcasts and I'll be there for like fifteen minutes trying

841
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 2: to climb a wall, trying to push things with the force,

842
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: and all it is is just a little crack in

843
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: the wall that I missed.

844
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: I did that after the fight with nine Sister up, Yeah,

845
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: where the fuck?

846
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: Are like? Oh no, I don't fire like and then

847
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: you have to be getting beady to like hack things

848
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: to stop the fire, and then you're like, oh now

849
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: I can climb it. No, you have to find the

850
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: crack in the wall. So yeah, that's like a very

851
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: mild criticism, but honestly, in its favor, I will say

852
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: I kind of love that that leans into that part

853
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: that Chris pointed out of being able to continue from

854
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: fallen order. You keep your powers, you keep a lot

855
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: of the things that you already learned, and in that way,

856
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: it's about respecting the audience and respecting Cow's journey. So

857
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 2: it's like, if you've played the game, hopefully you'll kind

858
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: of get a bit of an understanding of our more

859
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: naturalistic world and you'll be able to do this stuff intuitively.

860
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: But also just remember some of us are like Himbo's,

861
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: so I would like a him But also I love

862
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: the attitude towards the audience.

863
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: One more slight criticism, and it's not really a criticism,

864
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: it's just I think a thing that could maybe improve

865
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: the game and make it even more damagingly addictive to me?

866
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: Is that a thing that Arkham the Arkham games do

867
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: really well is you're playing a third person game, right.

868
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: What's the one thing that is always the weakness in

869
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: a third person game? It's the camera, right with the

870
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: camera going, am I stuck on something? What's happening behind

871
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: my character? And Arkham did a great job. First of all,

872
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: I had much wider field of vision, so you could

873
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: kind of see things that were coming behind Batman. You

874
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: could definitely control.

875
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 2: Like how zoomed out you want to like. It's definitely

876
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 2: a different experience in that way.

877
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: But it also the game was really good at giving

878
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: you cues that someone behind you was about to attack you.

879
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: I'll get into fights with stormtroopers and you know there's

880
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: a fucking the stormtrooper with like an auto cannon behind me.

881
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: It's just unleashing and I'm getting shot in the back,

882
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: and while Cal, especially on the run, does some auto blocking,

883
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: which I appreciate, but it also feels a tiny bit cheap,

884
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: like I want to do it. I want to be

885
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: in control of the blocking. I also feel like when

886
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: you're getting in these really fluid three hundred and sixty

887
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: degree fights with lots of stormtroopers all around you, the

888
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: game could do for some kind of signal to Cal

889
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: that somebody behind you is about to attack. It doesn't

890
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: have to be you know, dramatic, but just something so

891
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: that I can parry or dodge, you know, like obviously

892
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: the Spider Man games do this Spider Sense, Miles Morales,

893
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: the Spider Sense. Yeah, you could come.

894
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: You could say, it sounds like with the Force, it

895
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: just should be easy.

896
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: Cal can sense whatever that even just like.

897
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: A little bit wavy kind of you know, the wavy lines,

898
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: getting Spider Man a little bit less stylized. I would

899
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: like to see that, you know, they do have, like

900
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 2: most of these games, you know, this has that very

901
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: Spider Man skill sets that you can build on. So

902
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe later on in the Force skill sets,

903
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: there's something where we could learn that or that could

904
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: be like an update. But I think you're right. That's

905
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: the one thing in Arkham you can you can fight

906
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: like two hundred people without missing hill and they, which

907
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: is so enjoyable. But like in this you're gonna be

908
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: lucky to do like ten or twelve without getting got

909
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: by someone.

910
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: And that's what I want that I wanted chain together.

911
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 1: I want to I want to chain together hits where

912
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm just dodging and pairing and never getting hit by blasters,

913
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: by lightsabers, by anything, because you know, they kind of

914
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 1: play as they must fast and loose with how much

915
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: damage calcant like because nine sister fight, I'm getting fucking

916
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: stabbed and shipped with a lightsaber. But like I'm okay,

917
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: Like I'm just leave stemming.

918
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: I'm good stemming up, keep it up, feeling.

919
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: But but I if there was a way to really

920
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: let you know, like these hits are coming, so that

921
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: you could totally badass it and never get hit like

922
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: with a it would be very enjoy I'll forget about it.

923
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: I would never put this fucking game.

924
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: Not yeah, I never, but.

925
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: A couple other things. One of the things I really

926
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: enjoyed about Fallen Order was the appearance of you know

927
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: a person who we've uh, we've sung his praises a lot,

928
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: saugerera Is in that game.

929
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 2: Were just fans, okay, apologists, And there is a time

930
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 2: jump between the end of that game.

931
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: In this game, there's you know, there's some characters. You

932
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: don't quite know what has happened to Cal's crew that

933
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: he went to explore the galaxy with at the end

934
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: of that game. But one thing you do kind of

935
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: know is Cal is kind of unambiguously working Foresaw, doing

936
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: missions for Saw, has been doing that, which is something

937
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: that he kind of he had the option to do

938
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: that in the first game and kind of turned it

939
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: down to continue with his mission of uh, you know,

940
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: exploring the history of the Jedi. And I love that.

941
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: I love the fact that Cal in this game is

942
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: getting more it is more on the front lines and

943
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: kind of nascent rebellions you can see now kind of

944
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: taking shape.

945
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: You can see how his experiences in game and also

946
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 2: then obviously in the interceding time between the games has

947
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: radicalized him. And now it's like no question. And the

948
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 2: great thing is you get to meet other people who

949
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: are also working alongside Saw, and so you know that

950
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: that's going to be more of an element in this

951
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: game than just ironically in the first game is really

952
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: about surviving Order sixty six, being someone who has to

953
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: hide who you are, and then finding that space to

954
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: be a Jedi. This one, you know he is a survivor,

955
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 2: but we're also getting to see more of that rebellion aspect.

956
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: It's about taking the fight to the Empire exactly at

957
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: least to the Cow does.

958
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: He's killing a lot of he's of Empire storm troops.

959
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, no spoilers, but the game opens on Corouscant,

960
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: and you think about the the daring and courage it

961
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: would take to do a mission Coroscant as a fucking Jedi.

962
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: At that time, like at that time.

963
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: That says a lot about where a cow is in

964
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: his evolution as a rebel, and it's pretty fucking cool.

965
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really cool. This is just And also this

966
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: is silly but very enjoyable. And if you like Spider Man,

967
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: if you like Batman games, you will enjoy this. This

968
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: is Cow is like unbelievably customizable. You can customize Cow's beard,

969
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: you can give Cow a mullet, you can be wearing

970
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 2: all kinds of outfits. I'm rocking the hermit look at

971
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: all times.

972
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: I have a hermit.

973
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, pure hermit, you know. And you can even

974
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 2: like adapt your lightsaber. You can change the colors, you know,

975
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 2: which is nice. They don't get into kind of kayber law,

976
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 2: but you can just pick a different color. You can

977
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: make your lightsaber from different pieces that you find, or

978
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: different types of lightsabers that you can unlock. It's in

979
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: that way as well. I feel like that makes you

980
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: even more invested in the game and it's just really fun.

981
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: Up next Star Wars Visions two.

982
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: The trans community has been under attack by right wig

983
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: politics across the country, but don't let their noisy stunts

984
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: fool you. Their loud, wrong minority like John Mayer fans

985
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: that's come on, or people who flame fight attendance for

986
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: the delay John Mayer, I'll just say this, He's not

987
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: for everybody. I don't personally like his music, but I

988
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: think he's a good guitar player. Also, I went to

989
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: college with him. In reality, there's never been more support

990
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: for gay, trans and queer youth than right now, and

991
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: it's up to us to make that true today and

992
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: every day. That's why I vote Save America has launched

993
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: their Fuck Bands Leave Queer Kids Alone fund this Pride Month,

994
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: Crooked is working to help fundraise fifty thousand dollars to

995
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: support groups on the ground in states that are banning

996
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: care and targeting trans families, including organizations like the Transgender

997
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: Law Center, the Transsice Funding Project, and the Trans Youth

998
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: Equality Foundation. If you're interested in chipping in, head to

999
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Speaker 1: vote Save America dot com slash fuck Bands to donate.

1000
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: Pissing off some of the GOP's biggest creeps is just

1001
00:56:54,280 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: an added bonus, and we're back. Star Wars Visions, the

1002
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: second season of the Vision's initiative, debut on May fourth,

1003
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, on Disney Plus, consisting of nine more

1004
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: short films. Unlike the previous volume, which was purely animation

1005
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: houses from Japan, this is more of an international affair,

1006
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: with studios in Japan again, India, the UK, Ireland, Spain, Chile, France,

1007
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: South Africa, South Korea, and the US. It was wonderful.

1008
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: It was wonderful that I liked more than other. No spoilers,

1009
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: but I'll say my favorites were Episode one, The Sith,

1010
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: which had this a real style, painterly art style like it.

1011
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe very almost liquid kind

1012
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: of it was to it.

1013
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: It was about it was a physicality of actual painting.

1014
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't just about like being an artist. They brought

1015
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: paint and art into the stories in a way that

1016
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: we haven't necessarily seen since Like Sabine and even here

1017
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: it was much much more aesthetically obvious. And that one,

1018
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: I think, you're right, let's we'll just do what they say.

1019
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: The official kind of reveals are so that we don't

1020
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: spoil anything. This one is about a former Sith apprentice

1021
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: who finds their serene life threatened. This again, the morality

1022
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: and conversations and complexity that was allowed in this story

1023
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: in a way that we have never seen. This is

1024
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 2: a story we've never.

1025
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: Seen this very critical of Oh this an idea of

1026
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: a duality of blacking.

1027
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: Like, it's so good again, great Jedi is coming back, baby,

1028
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: I feel it. The complex morality is there.

1029
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1030
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: I mean also, you just know when you watch this

1031
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: one why they started with it.

1032
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that was my favorite one. Episode Two Screechers.

1033
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: It's by Cartoon Saloon who are just like unbelievable. They

1034
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: made wolf Walkers, which was like a huge deal last

1035
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 2: year it was on Apple Plus. It's really beautiful movie,

1036
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: just like absolutely go and watch it. The Legend of Kels.

1037
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: They make all these really gorgeous Irish folklore stories, and

1038
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: this one was by them as like very spooky force

1039
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: kind of situation. But both of these, I will say,

1040
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: lead to one of our I know, one of our

1041
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: shared critiques. So the first one is this artistic kind

1042
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 2: of connection to the force and to the dark side

1043
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 2: and the light side. The second one is about like

1044
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 2: a girl going on a journey and like the potential

1045
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: mentorship that she might find. You know. Those two themes

1046
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: are repeated a lot in this.

1047
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: Yes, and then in the Star is the third one.

1048
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: I think those are my three favorites. So the three

1049
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: first ones are my three favorites, and then the start.

1050
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: It has this incredibly tactile feel that it looks like,

1051
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, like plastic action figures that were stop motion posts.

1052
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: It just looks it's just gorgeous, very.

1053
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: Cool to see a kind of exploration of some of

1054
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: the stuff that we felt like and or didn't necessarily

1055
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: explore that deeply in the first four episodes. You know,

1056
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: it's this kind of idea of like an indigenous planet

1057
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: being colonized, and I feel like in this short they

1058
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: do a really good job of bringing an interesting context

1059
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: to that kind of storytelling in a way we haven't

1060
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: seen in the Galaxy. Now. I'm this is not we

1061
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: did not plan this. This is just the nature of

1062
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 2: subjectivity and taste. I my favorites was actually my It's

1063
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: hard for me because my real favorite, if I do

1064
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: it objectively, is the last episode called Ours Song a Song.

1065
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, but the problem is by the time you

1066
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: watch it, if you watch them in order, you've already

1067
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 2: seen like three stories that have similar themes. So it's

1068
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: a little bit lessons a bit of the impact. So

1069
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 2: probably for me, my favorite favorite probably just because I

1070
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: love Wallace and Grommett, and I love Ardman, and I

1071
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: love Stop Motion. I Am Your Mother, which was the

1072
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: fourth episode, which is a twilight Pila Annie and she's

1073
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: training at the academy and she's really embarrassed of her

1074
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: like working class mom who's a cleaner who fixes ships,

1075
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: and the two of them they go together kind of

1076
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: accidentally to this family race and they end up having

1077
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: to race together. I thought that was very charming. I

1078
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: have been saying for years that Disney and Lucasfilm should

1079
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: do an Ardman droid's movie, and I think this adds

1080
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: to that argument because there's a brilliant use of a

1081
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 2: droid here who's kind of like an R two droid

1082
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 2: but mixed with like a slinky. That was really fun.

1083
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: I loved that one. I love Journey to the Dark Head,

1084
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: which is Studio mir, which was founded by one of

1085
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: the head animators from Avatar the Lost Airbenda. And you

1086
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: can tell because it looks like Avatar has Daniel day Kim,

1087
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 2: who's about to play the fire Lord in the live

1088
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: action show. This was the one for me where I'm like, guys,

1089
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 2: you are throwing money away by not just making a

1090
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: feature length movie that looks like this.

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01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: So that brings me to my one critique of the

1092
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: Visions initiative, which is kind of it's kind of like

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01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: the strength of Visions. When you get one of these

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01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: that you just absolutely love. You don't want twelve minutes,

1095
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 1: you want an hour.

1096
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I agree.

1097
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: And I feel like we were talking kind of off

1098
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: mic about how it really feels as if they gave

1099
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,959
Speaker 1: these creators full control because there's a lot of overlapping

1100
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: kind of storylines and themes, and Kyber crystals are the

1101
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of mccuffin of Yeah, several of these stories, and

1102
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: it feels like, you know, if if there was more

1103
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: kind of editorial, top down controls edits somewhere in the chain,

1104
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: somebody would have said, hey, we've already got a Kiber story.

1105
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: Care And while I'm glad that everybody got creative control,

1106
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: I also feel like, I don't know how. I don't

1107
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: know how it would have worked, but I think that

1108
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: there could have been a way to have these not

1109
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: overlap so much.

1110
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe we're living in a world where the

1111
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: future of the near future of the storytelling in the

1112
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: Star Wars universe is gonna heavily feature these ideas of

1113
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 2: Kaiber crystals and the lore of Kaiber, but these are

1114
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: scene as non cannon currently, So I don't know how

1115
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 2: much it's kind of directed that way, but that did

1116
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 2: especially like I loved the Journey to the Darkhead is

1117
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 2: like a classic story. I love is disillusioned, you know,

1118
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: cynical Jedi has to team up with the for Mechanic,

1119
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: and that one got to be quite original, very Star

1120
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: Wars he and had multiple moments where I was like, guys,

1121
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: if you just invest money, yeah, make this a movie. This,

1122
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: this will be millions of dollars. You're gonna make more.

1123
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 2: Look at the success of like Demon Slayer of you know,

1124
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 2: dragon Ball, the movies that they've been releasing, like dragon Ball,

1125
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: Super Superhero, Like, if you do that and you commit

1126
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: the money to make some of these one of these

1127
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: into a cinematic release, I think it could change the

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01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 2: way that we look at animated films. Look at the

1129
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: absolute cultural impact that Spider Us had. You know, Disney

1130
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 2: and Lucasfilm could be doing that, and I think in

1131
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 2: a way, I hope that they see that Visions could

1132
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: be a launch pad for that. And out of all

1133
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 2: of these, I think that the Studio Mire one is

1134
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: the one where if you just translated it to a

1135
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: cinematic scale, you would have a hit on your hands.

1136
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: But for the one that like spoke to me the

1137
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: most and made me kind of like tear up when

1138
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 2: I was watching it and really speaks to the things

1139
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: I about Star Wars, that was the last one which

1140
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: I would just say go and watch first, or watch

1141
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: it second after you watch the first episode, so you

1142
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: don't get doubled up on the themes.

1143
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: It's definitely I want that to be an hour. Yeah,

1144
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: I want I want an hour and fifteen minute version

1145
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: of our song. Yeah.

1146
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: It's and it's stop motion as well, really beautiful, completely

1147
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: aesthetically different to any stop motion that we get here.

1148
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 2: It's a South African studio called Triggerfish. But it's beautiful

1149
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 2: and I loved it and it was perfect as is.

1150
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 2: But I want the hour and fifteen minute version. I

1151
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 2: want to know the law, I want to understand the

1152
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 2: world that I want to spend more time there.

1153
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean to your point about I don't know how

1154
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: much money these things would make, but I do know this.

1155
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: I do know that animation is for reasons that are

1156
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: both neutral and negative. Yes, a lot cheaper to produced,

1157
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1158
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 2: Than live action, although.

1159
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: There's a longer it can be a longer lead time.

1160
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: Now, neutral and negative.

1161
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: Some of that neutral, right, yes, So let's be clear

1162
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: about that. There's it's either neutral because of the technology good, right, right,

1163
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: because of the technology involved in the fact that you

1164
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: could go in and move stuff around a lot easier

1165
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: than you can with live action. That makes it neutral. Uh.

1166
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: The negative being the guild protections, union protections don't exist largely,

1167
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: and there's more exploitation. Yeah, but but I do feel

1168
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: like it's less of a financial risk for these cynical corporations.

1169
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: And and I came away I really enjoyed these. But again,

1170
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: like the feeling that I came away with is I

1171
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: want an hour episode of the ones that are great

1172
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: twelve minutes and some of them.

1173
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: It's true because some of them so like. As much

1174
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 2: as I would love a world where they commit to

1175
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: a stop motion animated Droy movie which would take like

1176
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: three years to make from one studio in England, unlikely,

1177
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: But do I think they could do a four episode

1178
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 2: kids series in that style that would be brilliant. Yes,

1179
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 2: And with our song, I actually think you could be

1180
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 2: talking visually and aesthetically. It's so different, and the concept

1181
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 2: and the way that they explore the low of the

1182
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 2: Kaiber crystals and our's connection to the force is so unique.

1183
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 2: I think that could be a cinema release, a kind

1184
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: of Nightmare before Christmas style, Like you just commit to

1185
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 2: the stop motion Coraline and you could add context to

1186
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: this canon that would be so different. I also think

1187
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: on a as I said, financial level studio mirror. I'm like, Disney,

1188
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 2: just pay them what they want to make a Jedi story.

1189
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 2: I mean, if you really want to make sure that

1190
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: it's real money, which you know, I would prefer an

1191
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: original story. I love that, but I mean, God, do

1192
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: like a prequel? Do it with characters people already know.

1193
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 2: Imagine if you had Obi Wan and Anakin in that style,

1194
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: people would die for it. You know, There's a reason

1195
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: that these manga versions of the Star Wars novels and

1196
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 2: the Star Wars stories sell so well because people want

1197
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 2: to see these stories in different versions. So yeah, I

1198
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 2: loved it. Go watch it, you'll find a favorite. But

1199
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: I totally agree. Like the funny thing was coming out

1200
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 2: of this. I was like the ones that I like,

1201
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: I just want them to be longer, and that becomes

1202
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 2: sort of overwhelming, but just delightful to see so many

1203
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:28,480
Speaker 2: different studios from around the world playing in this galaxy

1204
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 2: that we love, telling such different stories, and a lot

1205
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 2: of them do lean into that radical nature of Star

1206
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 2: Wars that we love so much. So just joy us, really.

1207
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: Do you want to give us an update before our

1208
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: nerd out on where you are in Tears of the

1209
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: Kingdom is the Kingdom.

1210
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: Crying, so I'm playing Tos of the Kingdom. Thanks to

1211
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: everyone for your support after Ganendorf tried to cut my

1212
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 2: internet connection so that I could not talk about it

1213
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:04,480
Speaker 2: with my lightful colleagues and friends, so I am no surprises,

1214
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 2: still not very far. I am currently just fucking around

1215
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 2: on the Sky Islands. I have built so much and

1216
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 2: every time. My main goal at the moment is to

1217
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: build a skateboard that I've been building lots of giant things,

1218
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 2: but I have seen some really great videos where people

1219
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: use the mind carts and attach them to their shields

1220
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: and then like make super cuts like they're playing Tony Hawk.

1221
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 2: So basically, completion percentage minimal. I've only got like three

1222
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 2: shrine powers so far. But have I been enjoying making things,

1223
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: especially since I got access to the fans, which has

1224
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 2: just decimated all of my productivity because you can make

1225
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: so much stuff with them.

1226
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:46,759
Speaker 1: Yes.

1227
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: What I need to get more into, though, I think,

1228
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 2: is punishing corrops. I've been really inspired by seeing the

1229
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 2: terrible look. I love a cute creature, but these motherfuckers

1230
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: are so ungrateful, and I I'm so I'm grateful I

1231
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 2: didn't see my friend you, I'm trying, like I've killed

1232
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 2: myself five times trying to build you a contraption. I've

1233
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 2: seen some people building like outrageous like ships to shoot

1234
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 2: them to their friends or past their friends. I've seen

1235
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 2: lots of fun catapults, so basically just absolutely wasting time.

1236
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 2: But you, on the other hand, you go also built

1237
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:25,919
Speaker 2: so you'll live in life.

1238
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: Well I was. I went out of town last weekend

1239
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: to try and take a much needed vacation and break

1240
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: from stuff, and I spent some of that time playing

1241
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: Tears of the Kingdom at night, and I have I've

1242
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: been exploring the depths. Let me just say Rosie to you. Now,

1243
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 1: there are lots of there's a huge structure of caves

1244
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: and caverns and kind of interconnected under the landscape. You

1245
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: can get to them various ways. Look for cherry trees

1246
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: those when you're you'll see these kind of blossoming cherry

1247
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: trees in various places in the landsp go to them.

1248
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: They will show you certain cave systems that you can

1249
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: loot for kool And then when you're flying you'll see

1250
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: kind of these gloom ringed holes in the ground. Anytime

1251
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: you see a hole just fly down there. Make sure

1252
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: you jumping, make sure you have bright bloom seeds something

1253
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: for like many Okay, you're gonna need those, and you

1254
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: can need arrows because it's dark as ship down. Like

1255
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: it is so so dark down there, but it is, man,

1256
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing.

1257
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: Behind every day.

1258
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: Getting down there and exploring the stuff that is down there.

1259
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the first time I went to

1260
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: I found an explored blackreach in Skyrim. But it's like that,

1261
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: only much much much better. And you'll you're able to

1262
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: with your seeds and by finding these kind of areas

1263
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: that provide light, these kind of like root systems that

1264
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: provide light to like a wide area of the cavern,

1265
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: you get to like light up parts of it. And

1266
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: there was this moment where I'm exploring, I'm fighting all

1267
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: these glue monsters, like there's a bunch of yiga loot

1268
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: down there, and I get to like the edge of

1269
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: where the light is falling from all the lights that

1270
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: I've kind of lit up, and plus the root system

1271
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: light that is kind of casting and you can kind

1272
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 1: of look back and see I could see like how

1273
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: big the whole thing was, and it's just so fucking

1274
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: mind blowing, dude, it's so cool.

1275
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: So like, this is gonna make me sound two things.

1276
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: And that's where I got auto built. Oh that's what

1277
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 1: you want to no spoilers, but its down there, so okay.

1278
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: That's good to know. So this leads to I think, like,

1279
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: this is gonna reveal two things about me. One I

1280
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: will say no comment. Two I will say is true.

1281
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 2: One is gonna make me sound like I'm a stone

1282
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 2: no comment. Two is gonna make me sound like I'm

1283
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 2: very existential person, which I am. I play this game

1284
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 2: and this is the first time this has really happened

1285
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 2: to me since I was a kid. There are moments

1286
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: when I play this game when I see other people

1287
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 2: playing it, when I see this stuff that they build,

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Speaker 2: and I try and conceptualize the amount of time and

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Speaker 2: hours and programming and not just that, but then the

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Speaker 2: actual like how that goes from being programmed to being

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Speaker 2: on the screen, and I'm just like, it's impossible to conceptualize,

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Speaker 2: like to me as somebody who doesn't know about that stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's just blowing my mind every day, the amount of

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Speaker 2: options that they've given people in this game. It feels

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Speaker 2: almost endless, and we have always been seeking that out

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Speaker 2: in open world gaming, but for some reason, mostly to

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Speaker 2: do with the constructs, this feels like it's a different

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Speaker 2: level of open world gaming and it's kind of blowing

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Speaker 2: my mind as I play it kind of constantly.

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Speaker 1: Again, Rosie, if you can get into the underground is

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Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna change. Here's the other thing about the building,

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Speaker 1: the thing that you're talking about. You're gonna find caches

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Speaker 1: of building materials down there. There's also going to be

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Speaker 1: different areas for you to process some of your zonite

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that to get more battery. I'll say

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Speaker 1: less about that. There's gonna be a bit again. There's

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Speaker 1: auto builders down there in a kind of like huge

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Speaker 1: temple structure that you cannot fucking miss. But there are

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Speaker 1: these caches of different machinery down there, and it's like

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Speaker 1: the first time that I came across like cannons that

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Speaker 1: I came across steering sticks. And there are like battery

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Speaker 1: packs down there so that you can build vehicles and

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Speaker 1: things that don't drain your battery.

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Speaker 2: There so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they run on the battery pack before it gets

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Speaker 1: to your battery, right, so you have three and four

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Speaker 1: times as much depending on like how built out your

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Speaker 1: battery is. I'm on one battery plus one third of

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Speaker 1: a battery, and so this gives me four and five

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Speaker 1: times as much time. Okay, with the with the vehicles

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Speaker 1: that I build down there. So I'm building like fucking

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Speaker 1: warp hogs from Halo, Like I'm building ship down there,

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Speaker 1: and I'm exploited, and there's headlights down there also, so

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Speaker 1: I'm building headlights on the front of my.

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Speaker 2: Vehicles driving through the tunnels. Okay, yeah, I'm going down.

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Speaker 2: I'm not fucking around anymore. I'm not building any more

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Speaker 2: giant ladders. I'm just going no more bridges. It's time

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Speaker 2: to move up in the world or move down in

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if we if we we should do, I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll do a Twitch stream of us playing this

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Speaker 1: would be time so fun. That would be really fun. Yea.

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Speaker 1: All right, up next nerd.

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Speaker 2: Out in today's ned out, where you tell us what

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01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 2: you love them, why, or a theory you're excited to share.

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Speaker 2: Ray has an idea for James Mangold's eventual Star Wars movie.

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Speaker 2: As announced that Star Wars celebration, and I will say

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Speaker 2: Ray might be excited to share this theory, but I

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01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 2: am excited to hear it because this is just so

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Speaker 2: cool and.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy.

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Speaker 2: This is what I want.

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Speaker 1: Here is Ray's theory. What if the man Gold movie

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01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: is based on the Father's son and daughter. They tentionally

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Speaker 1: an animation, but they have so much possibility and they

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01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: could be a jumping off point to all sorts of

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Speaker 1: force focused stories from rumors, The Mangold movie is set

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Speaker 1: so far back that it would be an amazing place

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Speaker 1: to start with some powerful force wielders. It's also a

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Speaker 1: huge tie in to both the Skywalker saga and the

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Speaker 1: Rebels scene. That's absolutely right. You can even throw in

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Speaker 1: some time shravel stuff if it made sense. What do

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Speaker 1: you think? Love your work? Thank you, Ray. I think

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01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 1: this is really smart and I honestly hope that this

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Speaker 1: is what it is. Do you want to explaining with

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Speaker 1: the about the Fathership?

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Speaker 2: So they're called the Ones or the Mortis Gods, and

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01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 2: this is like a big, really vital Clone Wars arc

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01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 2: even though it's like just a few episodes and also

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01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 2: then ends up becoming really crazily involved in Rebels. Even

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Speaker 2: though it's just like the mural, it's really important, basically

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Speaker 2: incredibly powerful Force users live on the planet Mortis, the

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Speaker 2: Sun dark side of the Fourth, the daughter light side

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Speaker 2: of the Force, and the father who is like neutral

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Speaker 2: to the Force at both sides. You know, we would

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Speaker 2: call it a great Jedi. They would say we were wrong,

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01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: though I will say he's great, So just saying, just saying,

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Speaker 2: but if the father stays alive, the kids both are immortal,

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Speaker 2: and it is this very interesting exploration of the Force,

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Speaker 2: almost like personified. And I just think there is so

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Speaker 2: much we are stuff that you could do with this.

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Speaker 2: And also, if the Feloney movie is gonna be a

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01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 2: kind of ending, wouldn't it be interesting to see them

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Speaker 2: go back to the beginning of this kind of almost

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01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 2: under explored cannon. Also, if you've never watched the Clone Wars,

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Speaker 2: I know we say this all the time. Even if

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Speaker 2: you don't want to go and watch all of it,

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01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 2: just watch the three episodes that begin with Overlords, because

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 2: it is so good, like it is, it's Overlord's Altar

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Speaker 2: of Mortis, Ghosts of Mortis and the things that we

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01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 2: see Anakin experience, Like I'm pretty sure one of those

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01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 2: episodes was the first one I randomly saw on like

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01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 2: Disney Channel in England and was like, oh, I need

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01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 2: to watch this show, Like this is no joke.

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Speaker 1: It enters a dramatic widening of the Force law that is,

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01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: you feel it we've only really just barely scratched the

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01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: surface of it. I think that this is a great idea.

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Speaker 2: I would absolutely love to see it. There's so much

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01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 2: you could do with it if it was going to

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01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: take place twenty five thousand years before instead of having

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Speaker 2: to One of the things we'd brought up about the

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Speaker 2: danger of doing this film, though we would love to

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01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 2: see it, is like, how do you just introduce like

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01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: the first Force user. That sounds impossible, like that adds

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01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 2: so much cannon. But if you've already introduced them and

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01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 2: you just reveal that the ones are at the beginning

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01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: of that in a different sense, that's unbelievable. I think

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01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 2: that is so smart, and I think this is such

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Speaker 2: a good call from Ray and I would just absolutely

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Speaker 2: love to see it. And I'm definitely just going to

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Speaker 2: go and watch these three episodes again because this is

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01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: like so emotional, Like I think about Anakin's journey here

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01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 2: and like that, Yeah, it's just so good. So Ray,

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Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you so much for sharing that

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Speaker 2: with us. If you have theories or passions, we know

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01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 2: you do. That's why you listen. You're just like us

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Speaker 2: that you want to share. Hit us up, x ray,

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Speaker 2: croked and instructions as always are in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: That's it for us, Rosie any plugs.

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Speaker 2: protests rallies which are happening on Friday. You can support

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Speaker 2: them at the picket line. You can send some doughnuts,

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Speaker 2: people to sho up on the picket line. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: good times all around, loads of cool stuff to support,

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Speaker 2: and obviously here twice a week.

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Speaker 1: Catch the next episode of Extra Vision Wednesday, May thirty first,

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Speaker 1: for the epics series finale of Succession, and I Gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you Are You're right is by Stock in are

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Speaker 1: Bye by it and the season two finale of Yellow.

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Speaker 2: show like this one and check out our discord. It's

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Speaker 2: rad things, cool theories, especially deep Succession and Yellow Jackets

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Speaker 2: conversations going on now. So if you're talking about if

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Speaker 2: you are big into those two pop and that before

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Speaker 2: the finales come out, and obviously me and Jason a

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Speaker 2: that too.

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Speaker 1: Five star ratings, five star reviews, we need him, we

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Speaker 1: one from who I'm gonna read it. I'm gonna read

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Speaker 1: what Jason Rosie have going on over Extra Vision of Mike.

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Speaker 1: These don't really produce it right now, even with the

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Speaker 1: increased workload. It's really commendable.

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Speaker 2: Mind.

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Speaker 1: Anybody looking for funny content but also in depth analysis

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Speaker 1: of anything going on in the nerd verse should definitely

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Speaker 1: check them. Out of mind. My question is do you

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Speaker 1: think they can keep this level of quality while putting

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Speaker 1: up two episodes a week. I think they can't, Mike,

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Speaker 1: but just want to hear your thoughts on that. If

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Speaker 1: they ever cover the Witches series anyway, I'll take mans

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Speaker 1: off the end.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, see you next time. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Question Mark exclamator, Mark quiver Mark.

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Speaker 1: Extra Vision is a crooked media production. Show is produced

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