1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: What a show I have for you today. This is 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: a show I've been looking forward to. My guest today 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: is Crystal Hefner of Playboy fame, the wife of Hugh Hefner, 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: the iconic figure of Playboy for several years up until 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: the time he died when he was ninety one years old. 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by this because I am intrigued by, first 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: of all, Playboy, which was an iconic brand, and it 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: was a brand that was veiled in mystery, and it 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: was a huge, huge brand. And again, look, I'm not 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: getting into the politics of right wrong, If it's good 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: or bad, we all have our own opinions on that. 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: What is undeniable is that the brand that was Playboy 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: was massive. Massive. It started in nineteen fifty eight, a 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: young Hugh Hefner in Chicago created this magazine out of 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: thin air. He borrowed eight thousand dollars, including one thousand 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: dollars from his mom, to put out the first magazine. 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: And the first magazine was naked pictures of Marilyn Monroe, 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: easily the biggest sex symbol movie star human on the 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 1: face of the earth at the time. He bought these 21 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: pictures from a calendar, and so Marilyn Monroe wasn't even 22 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: tied into this financially, which is another kind of story, 23 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: and maybe it's foreshadowing for you know, how he treated 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: people and the misogyny and narcissism of it all with 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner, but he published this magazine that sold fifty 26 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: four thousand copies in Playboy was launched. And say what 27 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: you will, but the biggest celebrities in the world posed 28 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: for Playboy, posed nude for Playboy. Marilyn Monroe, Madonna, Pam Anderson, 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: and one of the most famous magazines ever was the 30 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: Pam Anderson edition. Rockel welch Bo, Derek, Kim Basinger, Cindy Crawford, 31 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: Vana White, Yes, Vana White was a part of the 32 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: Charlise their own. So the list goes on and on 33 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: and on, Kim Kardashian, you name it. They all posed 34 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: for Playboy. It was a launching point for a lot 35 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: of careers and it was a magazine that in the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, 36 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: as a celebrity man or woman, you wanted to be 37 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: a part of. Steve Martin Grace the cover. There were 38 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: great editorials, phenomenal articles were written, and Playboy always quote 39 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: unquote kept it classy. It was fascinating to watch Playboy 40 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: grow and it really hit its peak when I was 41 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: born in nineteen seventy one. It went public in nineteen 42 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: seventy two. It really reached its peak of seven million 43 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: subscribers for the publication the magazine. And if you don't 44 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: know what a magazine is, kids, google it. But magazines 45 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: were mail, deer house and or on newsstands, and it 46 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: was huge. It was everywhere in the airport. I mean, 47 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: seeing who grace the cover and who the centerfold was 48 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: a Playboy was a very big honor at the time. 49 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: But what we didn't know was what was life like 50 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: behind the curtain. What was life like at the mansion, 51 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: this grandiose mansion that we all heard of. And I 52 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: was a Midwestern boy, so I had this idea of 53 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: the glamour and the celebrity and the sex appeal of 54 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: the mansion, and it's something I saw firsthand when I 55 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: moved out to la and I actually went to the 56 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: mansion for a couple of parties. I actually took my 57 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: wife there. We were invited and we went. It was 58 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: very odd and very dated. And that brings me full 59 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: circle to Crystal Hefner, who just published a book and 60 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: this book dropped. The book is called Only Say Good Things, 61 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: Surviving Playboy and Finding Myself, and she is breaking this 62 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: day down in episodes of a podcast you can check 63 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: out Beneath the Surface. But Krystal Hefner came into the 64 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: mansion when she was twenty twenty one years old back 65 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. She became one of HEF's girls. 66 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: She then became engaged and got married to heff So 67 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: her insight is incredible. Krystal Hefner is gracious enough to 68 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: come on, and I have so many questions for her 69 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: as we dive in to her book and her life 70 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: and the history of Playboy with Krystal Heffner. Krystal Heffner, 71 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me. As I said 72 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: in the intro, I am so intrigued by you, by Playboy, 73 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: by all of it. And I'm sure that is the 74 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: reaction You've gotten from everywhere you have been over the 75 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: last week while you've been promoting this book. 76 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, the response has been overwhelming. It feels completely surreal. 77 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: So many positive reviews and it's happening. 78 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: It's positive. What has what has the overall response been? 79 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: What have people been saying to you? What's the online vibe? 80 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: Is it all positive? Are you getting any negative? Are 81 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: what are the main questions you're getting? Just curious what 82 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: that feel is. 83 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: I'm getting responses like I wish the book would have 84 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: kept going, like I didn't want it to end. And 85 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: I think that's been the highest compliment. People tell me 86 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: that they can relate to it. You know, it's interesting 87 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: because it's the Playboy Mansion, which is this place that's 88 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: unique and can never be repeated again. But these people 89 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: are relating in ways in their own lives, and you know, 90 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: we dive into topics of self worth and self love 91 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: and bad relationships, abusive relationships, narcissistic relationships, and just it's 92 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: running the gamut of the ways people are relating to 93 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: the book. 94 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: When I was thinking, okay, doing my research, reading all 95 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: these articles and podcasts and stuff, thinking about what am 96 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: I going to talk to you about? That that is 97 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: the biggest issue I feel like with you, it's almost 98 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: like drinking from a fire hydrant. Because I'm fifty two 99 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: years old. So I grew up in the latter stages 100 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: of Playboy's iconic legendary run. Obviously, it became really popular 101 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: late fifties, sixties, seventies, and then through the eighties and 102 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: nineties it kind of it arked, right, and so it 103 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,559 Speaker 1: really peaked in the seventies and hung around for quite 104 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: some time. But then there's the you of it all 105 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: and unveiling, unmasking this really mysterious world behind Hugh Hefner 106 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: and behind the Playboy mansion that you were obviously entrenched in. 107 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel the hef controlled the narrative for 108 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: like seventy years. 109 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: He meticulously like. 110 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: Collected articles and had he has three thousand volumes of 111 00:06:52,839 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: scrap books, and so he just controlled the narrative like so. 112 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: So perfectly exactly how we wanted to for so long. 113 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: And I just feel that it's time for other voices, 114 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: because you know, a lot of us had a different experience. 115 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: Well I'm sure everyone did, right, I mean, Holly Madison 116 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: wrote her book, and now you've come out with yours, 117 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: and I can't imagine anyone's experience is similar. And so 118 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: let's get into yours. You are twenty one years old. 119 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: It is the grand There's two big, really huge Playboy 120 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: parties of the year. There's the Halloween and that Midsummer 121 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: Night's Dream Party. Right, those are like the two iconic ones. Yes, 122 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: and so you are twenty one years old, I believe 123 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: what it's two thousand and eight and you come to 124 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: the Playboy Mansion for the iconic Halloween party. Is that 125 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: that's the first time you ever came to the Playboy 126 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: Mansion or met Healf. 127 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 128 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd never seen a celebrity before in my life. 129 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: Was from San Diego. It's kind of a much smaller 130 00:07:59,120 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: town than La. 131 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: It's funny, it's like two years and two thousand miles apart. 132 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: I mean, the worlds are so different from San Diego 133 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: to LA even though they seem close. So a friend 134 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: takes you. 135 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I submitted my photos to go to the party. 136 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: You have to be approved, you have to look okay 137 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: enough to be invited. 138 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: Okay, So this is interesting to me. So let's go back. 139 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: Because I attended with my ex wife one of those 140 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: big parties. Obviously, our experience was very different. I was 141 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: so intrigued to go to the mansion and we'll talk 142 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: about the mansion in a little bit. 143 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to because I remember meeting you 144 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 2: at a party. 145 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: I do too. Let's let's not let's not give away 146 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: the big the big tea's yet. But I'm just curious. 147 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: Your friend says, Okay, we're going to this party, but 148 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: we need to send headshots, full body photos to get in. 149 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: Is that because I this is a weird experience for me. 150 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know this side of it. 151 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to send full body photos front and back. 152 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: Wow, So they tell you get in a bikini, take 153 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: some photos, send these in and hef is probably going 154 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: to go through them personally to choose who's going to 155 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: be at this party. 156 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure who went through them. I have 157 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: a feeling with somebody else that kind of the new 158 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: what kind of vibe have wanted there? Because once we 159 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: got up there was another step. 160 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So this is like trying to get 161 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: into a movie. There's an audition process. So you get 162 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: to the mansion, obviously there is a huge sense of naivete. 163 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: You have no idea what you're getting into. You show 164 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: up at it is a star studded event. Even still 165 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, this is a big event. 166 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: There's celebrities. It's crazy. Some women are half naked, full 167 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: naked whatever running around. It's a thing. Are you nervous, 168 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: are you scared? Are you just excited? 169 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 170 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 2: I was all of those things. You know, you show up, 171 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: You show up to the parking garage because you get 172 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: shuttled from UCLA or wherever it was. 173 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: Which is really weird, by the way, because to just 174 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: stop you there for a second, that's a weird thing. 175 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: Everybody's dressed up scantily clad and you know, half naked 176 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: or naked, and you pull into the UCLA dorm parking garage. 177 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: You're on like the third floor of a parking garage 178 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: and you get in a van. It's really weird. 179 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on like a college campus dressed that way. 180 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: And then in the parking garage. Yeah, I felt a 181 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: big sense of imposter syndrome because I see all these 182 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: other women and they look stunning and maybe better outfits 183 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: than mine, or more skimpy or whatever whatever the vibe is. 184 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: But we get into the parking garage and then somebody 185 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: takes a polaroid photo of us, and I thought, oh, 186 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: that's weird. Yeah, there's this whole underbelly, this whole other 187 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: side to this glamorous party. So we get our we 188 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: get our photo taken. It's a polaroid camera. At the time, 189 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: I just feel oh special that someone wants to take 190 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: my picture to like put it somewhere, I'm not sure, 191 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: but all the girls get their photo taken, polaroid comes out, 192 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: they keep it, They keep all the photos, and I 193 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 2: later found out that what happens is after the party's 194 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: over all, those polaroids go to HEF and he rates 195 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: them like A through duh, and the A girls get 196 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 2: invited to whatever the next event is. And if the 197 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: a's and b's maybe, and if the a's and b's 198 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: can't come, then they move down to C and then 199 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 2: they move down to D. 200 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: Wow. 201 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 2: So basically the women going, we're creating this kind of 202 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: rolodex for them for the next parties. 203 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 3: So that that's the first step of. 204 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: Feeling kind of objectified or just seen as an object 205 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 2: or decoration. 206 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: That I experienced. 207 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: But in that moment, I was just excited, and I 208 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: went from the parking garage up to the Playboy mansion 209 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: to the Halloween party, which I'd never seen any type 210 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: of party like that at all, like decoration wise, it 211 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: truly feels like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and you've 212 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: gone You've gotten the golden ticket. 213 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've definitely gone down the rabbit hole for sure. 214 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: And so you're there and you're having a cocktail, having 215 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: a good time, dancing, doing whatever. How did you meet Half? 216 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: How did you run into him? Because that's not always 217 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: the case for people that show up. You don't usually 218 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: even see Half at a lot of these parties, much 219 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: less meet him. 220 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 221 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of the time, he'll just come in 222 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: the go down to the cabana and he's all roped 223 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: off and just for a few minutes and then he 224 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: leaves the party. This time, I was with a very 225 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 2: extroverted friend at that time. I was very introverted and 226 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: very insecure, and we see this wave of people going 227 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: toward these empty cabanas and my friend said. 228 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: That must be Helf, that must be Half. Let's go. 229 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: She pulls me across. We see this just wave, everyone's 230 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: just following. I couldn't even see where he was. But 231 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: he goes into this main cabana that's that's meant for him, 232 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: and it's all roped off, like the stanchion and the 233 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: red ropes, and my friend pulls us to the front 234 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: of him, right in front of the cabana. So we're 235 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: standing there with all these women like lined up. We're 236 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: all trying to catch a glimpse of Hugh Hafner. First 237 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: time I've ever seen a celebrity. 238 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 3: In my life. I'm like, there he is, and we're looking. 239 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: We're watching like he's like, we're at the zoo, and 240 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: he's like, yes, in the enclosure. 241 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 3: Like whoa. My friend starts waving, like, oh O, we're here. 242 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: He looks over at her waving and then he turns 243 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: and his gaze falls on me, and I'm like to 244 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: do that like me, And he summoned for his security 245 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: guards to let me in. 246 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: To the enclosure, into the exhibit. 247 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: Yes, so I'm let in, you know, whatever hef wants. 248 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: Half gets So there's a two people just trying to 249 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: get me in there. And so I get into where 250 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: hef is. My soul has left my body at that point, 251 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: and I sit down next to him. I can't believe 252 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: I'm actually inside this enclosure in the cabana. 253 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sitting right next to Half. 254 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: And you guys start having this conversation. What is that 255 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: first initial conversation, like, is it sweet? Is a kind? 256 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: Is he flirty? 257 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: I think HEF was very magnetic. He was very charming. 258 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: He asked me what I did, and I thought, oh, 259 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: you know, I don't have a job, Like this is awkward, 260 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: and I said, I said, I'm a the truth, which 261 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: was I'm a student studying psychology at San Diego State. 262 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: It was my last semester. Little did I know, like HEF. 263 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: Liked that the younger the better, right, So he says, oh, 264 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: I was a psychology major at the University of Illinois. 265 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: So I'm like, oh, you know that. Oh that's awesome. 266 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, we're relating. This is cool. 267 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: And pretty shortly after he asked me if I wanted 268 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: to go join the group in the house and if 269 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: I wanted to stay through the weekend. He said, we 270 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: have movies all weekend. Would you like to stay the weekend? 271 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: And I was just in a trance and feeling like 272 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: I was on top of the world. 273 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: This is how the other half lived. 274 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the bell of the ball. 275 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Cinderella. 276 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: So it progresses you. You go into the house, you 277 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: say okay, great's let's give this a whirl. And it's 278 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: and it's not just you. There are I'm sure a 279 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: dozen of su. 280 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: Are the twins, yes, who recently had begin and another 281 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: girl who they met the night before named Melissa. 282 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 3: Her and I connected almost instantly, and we're both from 283 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: San Diego. 284 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: Before you got excited all that, did anybody warn you 285 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: or is it just kind of pandemonium excitement and you're 286 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: just on this wave that just kind of sweeps you 287 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: into the house. 288 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: Definitely on the wave. 289 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're on this wave of emotion. And again 290 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: there's other celebs there and everybody goes into the house. 291 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: What is that experience you're into the house, does this 292 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: go up to the bedroom or are you guys having 293 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: cocktails down at the bar? What's going on? 294 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: No, Half is definitely not a cocktails at the bar 295 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: type person. He is a creature of habit. Okay, so yeah, 296 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: he his schedule is very, very strict. 297 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 3: But we went straight up to the bedroom. We go 298 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: into the house. 299 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: There's a great hall and it's like the perfect example 300 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 2: of like a like an English tutor home. It was 301 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 2: it was ournate, it was there was staying glass and 302 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: there was The staircase is like a double staircase going up, 303 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: and we just started going up the staircase and I 304 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: just thought, Okay, I guess we're going to his bedroom. 305 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: This is Playboy, you know, this is the Playboy mansion. 306 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: But I mean, okay, he's eighty one, you're twenty one, 307 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: and you're with these other girls. At this point, is 308 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: it just down to him and the girls? 309 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: Is it down to him? 310 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: No? 311 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: Is it? So? It's just half and and these the 312 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: few of you ladies. It's there's no other people, guys, celebs, whatever, 313 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: It's just half and four or five girls. Yes, okay, 314 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: so y'all get to the bedroom. What what is that? 315 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you had to be somewhat but having this 316 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: out of body experience. But at the same time, what 317 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: the fuck is going on? 318 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: I know, I know, like, okay, I'm just along for 319 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: the ride. There, these other girls are here, I don't 320 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: know what's about to happen. And we end up in 321 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: Havef's bedroom, which is wild, you know, it's it was. 322 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 2: There was carved wood everywhere, lots of like naked photos 323 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: and sculptures, and it felt like kind of a cabin on. 324 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 3: A cruise ship or. 325 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: Okay, some kind of it was. It was interesting. But 326 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: I had never seen anything like it in my life. 327 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: You know, I I never seen carved wood on the walls, 328 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: or you know, it turns out his pajamas in every 329 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: single color of the rainbow. 330 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 3: It was all so new to me. 331 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: And I mean the place is very dated. I will 332 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: say that. It's you know, that's one thing that struck 333 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: me when I was there is I'm like, oh, this 334 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: place looks like it probably was something back in the 335 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: seventies maybe when it was built. But you're like, it's 336 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: dated now, it's it's a little odd some of it. 337 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, nineteen seventy one, I. 338 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: Believe, the year I was born. Yes, So the moment 339 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: you get in there, they close the door, does he say, 340 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: what does he say? What do people just okay, let's 341 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: take off our clothes. What does he command everybody? You said, 342 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: he's very ritualistic in that way. What does he do? 343 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: What does he tell you? 344 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: He goes over to the bed and the girls that 345 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: had been there before, the twins, they were only nineteen 346 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: at the time they brought. They brought me into the closet. 347 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: I believe Melissa came as well. She was the other 348 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 2: girl in the cabana and picked out one of HEF's 349 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 2: silk pajamas us to wear. So the routine. They knew 350 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: the routine, so they told me we all put on 351 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 2: a pair of HEF's pajamas, which we all did all 352 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: different colors, and then we proceed to the bedroom where 353 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: he's sitting there kind of waiting for us. He's started 354 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 2: pushing his seventy style buttons that you know, something out 355 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: of Austin Powers or he pushes it, and then all 356 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: of a sudden, the TV's playing porn. He pushes something 357 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: else and there's all of a sudden music comes on. 358 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 2: It's like a Madonna CD. I'm like, okay, I guess 359 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: this is happening. 360 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: What's happening? I mean, what goes on? So now it 361 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: gets sexual? 362 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, sex, sex with Hugh Hefner. 363 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: And so it's four girls and Hugh and this is 364 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: going on. And so you're did the two young toy 365 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: did they start kind of leading this? So obviously they 366 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: know the drill, they know how this goes, and were 367 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: they kind of guiding you through this? 368 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well they It was like a thing. 369 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 2: It's like people take turns to having sex with hef 370 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: and I don't know, maybe like for a minute or 371 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 2: something and then it's like the next person. It was 372 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,719 Speaker 2: something that felt very robotic and awkward, and even to 373 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 2: the point where I thought, is he even into this right? 374 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: Because I don't know? 375 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: And what are you thinking at the time, Like what 376 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: is your emotion? 377 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: I'm thinking that I have no idea what's going on? 378 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 3: This is weird. 379 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: I guess this is what is expected to come into 380 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 2: the house. 381 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'm just going to do this 382 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 3: and get it over with. 383 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: And are you thinking? So you're twenty one years old, 384 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: he's eighty one, and just so I know your frame, 385 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: like are you hammered? Are you high? Or are you just? 386 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: Like this is going to be an experience in my 387 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: books someday, I'm just going to do this. 388 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: I had a few glasses of champagne. 389 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: I don't drink, like, I'm not really a drinker, so. 390 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: I did have a few glasses that night, So maybe 391 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: I was a little you know, woozy on that you know, 392 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: half pulls out pot and passes it around, and the 393 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 2: twins smoked. I didn't, you know, I don't I'm not 394 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 2: someone that smokes. Maybe a little bit of secondhand kind 395 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: of got to me. But the whole time I felt 396 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: like I'm in some kind of weird dream. Anyway, So yeah, yeah. 397 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So and you, my guess is the attraction to 398 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: Helf is the aura. It is Playboy, it's the mansion, 399 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: it's all of it. It's obviously not the man, because 400 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've gotten that question before of did you 401 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: him attractive? 402 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel that a lot of It's the reason 403 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 3: everyone goes right. 404 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: They're intrigued. They want to know what it's like. They've 405 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: heard about it, but they haven't seen it. 406 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 3: Hef is. When I first met him, he was magnetic. 407 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: He seemed powerful. 408 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: He's surrounded by yes people, he has a staff of 409 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 2: about seventy people that waited on his every need. It's 410 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 2: this place where you're like, Wow, this guy is truly 411 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: the king of his castle and of this world. And 412 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 2: I remember seeing Playboy magazines when I was a teenager 413 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: and looking at the women and feeling, while these women 414 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: must be so powerful and have the world at their feet. 415 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: So it did feel like a place of power and 416 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: maybe a place I felt like I could belong. 417 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: And so you did belong soon after this, But do 418 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: you spend the night, did you spend the weekend? How 419 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: did the relationship because you quickly became one of not 420 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: only his favorites, but the favorite, and so how did 421 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 1: that progress so quickly? 422 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? 423 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: I remember that first night the twins went to their room, 424 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: and the other girl that was there and myself we 425 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: kind of fell asleep in the bed with half. This 426 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: is a bed that was custom made, like the sheets 427 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: had to be custom You could probably fit like seven 428 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: people comfortably laying in this bed. 429 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 3: So we ended up. 430 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: Falling asleep in HEF's room and you know, all of 431 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: a sudden, he's asleep. I'm the type of person it's 432 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 2: it's kind of uncomfortable if I'm not in my own bed. 433 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean this must have been a 434 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how you slept it all that night, No, barely. 435 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: And you know, he had like these the satin sheets, 436 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: and so they're slippery and it's awkward. So the next 437 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: day we wait, you know, wake up. He's still kind 438 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: of asleep. I look over it the girl with me 439 00:24:53,840 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: that I just met, and. 440 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: We're like, okay, this is weird. What don't we do? 441 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 2: So we kind of leave the bedroom while I have 442 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: still sleeping, make our way downstairs and meet some of 443 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: the staff, and the staff tell us, oh, we can 444 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: order breakfast. We can order whatever we want. It's like 445 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: a restaurant style kitchen. There's always someone someone in there 446 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: to cook r We're like, wow, this is so cool. 447 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: And so you felt kind of like a kid in 448 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: the candy store, like this this the life. Because I 449 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: think what people will wonder is what was so alluring 450 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: for you? What was so enticing that drew you in? 451 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: You know, even after this this weekend that you had 452 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: or that night that you had, it's like, Okay, that 453 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: was wild. I'm getting the f out of here and 454 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: heading back to my life, Like this is crazy. So 455 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: what was it that set the hook in you that 456 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: was so alluring? You're like, no, I'm going to I'm 457 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: going to go back to this and stay here. 458 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 459 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: I think that next day, after we had breakfast somewhere, 460 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 2: we thought to ourselves, like, let's go We may not 461 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: ever be back here ever again, so. 462 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 3: Let's go explore. 463 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we didn't know what rooms can we go in, 464 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: what rooms can't we go in, So we just started 465 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: walking around the property. 466 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 3: We saw the. 467 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 2: Animals, like, wow, there's a zoom here. And then we 468 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: went to over where the gym is and like, wow, 469 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: a full gym at their house. And then we saw 470 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: tanning beds, like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. Then 471 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 2: we discovered the tennis court and the GameHouse and like 472 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 2: all the games are free. 473 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 3: This is so cool, you know, being you think. 474 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: You're grown up when you're when you're twenty one, but 475 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: you're you're still just a child. 476 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 3: And I just thought it was the coolest thing. 477 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 2: I didn't see anything like it in my life, and 478 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: I did think, wow, this is a place, like I 479 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: want to be a part of it. 480 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: So it was even so after that night, You're like, 481 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: this is something that feels big to me, and this 482 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: might be my big break. Was that kind of the 483 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: feeling was this might be a huge move for me 484 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: in life. 485 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, my whole life, I always felt small. I always 486 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: my mom and had my mom, and I had no money, 487 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: like after my dad passed away. 488 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: And so I always felt that everyone was better than me. 489 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 3: It was hard. 490 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 2: So coming from that mindset and then being somewhere where 491 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: you're important or you feel valued, it's yeah, so you 492 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: kind of push it out of your mind, You're like, oh, okay, 493 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: like he expects us to do this like sexual stuff, 494 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: but you know, we also get to do all this 495 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: fun stuff. And I guess I just didn't didn't really 496 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: think about it too too much, just the just the 497 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 2: good parts in the beginning. 498 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well was it I mean this might sound weird, 499 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: but it was it easy to compartmentalize the sexual stuff 500 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: with Half because I think that's where people are like, oh, 501 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: but it sounds like from what you've said and what 502 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: other people have said in their books is that was 503 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: a very and I don't mean this as a play 504 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: on words, but a very small part of life there 505 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: because there was not that much to deal with with Half. 506 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: It's like he was eighty one years old and getting older, 507 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: and so it was like, Okay, if I just do this, 508 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: I can have the rest of this as my life. 509 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And the sex stuff was maybe like once 510 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 2: a week, but not in the beginning. Not in the beginning, 511 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: so you know, he did expect that like throughout the weekend, 512 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 2: and but I did. I think I started compartmentalizing, like okay, 513 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: like let's go. 514 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: Was there a friendship at least? Though, Like I mean, 515 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: was he a means to an and or was there 516 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: in the beginning, because I'm trying to figure out the 517 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: relationship was was there a friendship? Was there admiration? Was 518 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: there ever love? 519 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: Like? 520 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: Did you ever love Hugh Hefner. 521 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 3: I think in the beginning I was trying to just 522 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: figure it out and figure him out, and. 523 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, over time I realized there was love. I 524 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 2: was not in love with him. I think, you know, 525 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: common sense is if somebody wants four other women in 526 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: the bed, they can't be in love with you. 527 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: Right after the Halloween party, when did it become a 528 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: parent or did he make it clear, Hey, Crystal, I 529 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: want you to be my girl, be one of my girls, 530 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: and be here full time. 531 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: Well after the weekend movie nights, I went back to 532 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 2: San Diego on Monday, and I thought, Wow, how am 533 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: I going to move. 534 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 3: Forward with my life after that? 535 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: It was it was like a dream, like a dream 536 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: that I like, I don't want to wake up from 537 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: this dream. And I guess I didn't have to because 538 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: Monday evening I got a miscall from a number I 539 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: didn't recognize, and it was a voicemail from Hugh Hefner asking. 540 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 3: Me to move in. 541 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: Wow. It was that quick? I mean three days later 542 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: he's like, hey, move into the to the mansion. Yeah, 543 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: and did you have any qualms about that or any 544 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: second thoughts? You're like great, listen, I'm. 545 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 3: Just like great, let's let's see what happens. 546 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: So were you still in school? Did you finish school 547 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: or did you just drop out? 548 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: And like this, I left my very very last semester 549 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: and I thought to myself, I could always finish school 550 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: or go back to school. 551 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: Right, And so you move into the mansion. So it's 552 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: now it's you and the twins, right, yeah? And so 553 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: you move you move into the mansion and immediately what 554 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: is that vibe? What is the familial setup? You have 555 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: your own room and it feels like employment, like you 556 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: almost have a job to do now. 557 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I moved into bedroom five, Okay, and yeah, 558 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: I get I guess I didn't really know what I 559 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: was signing up for because there's nothing there's no blueprint 560 00:30:59,240 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: or there's no. 561 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: Right, I didn't know, there's no contract, like are the girls? 562 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: Are the are the twins going, hey Crystal, this is 563 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: kind of what's expected of us? Or is there a 564 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: liaison of hafs that's like Okay, this is what you 565 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: are going to be doing, or is it just you 566 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: move in and throw caution to the wind and see 567 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: what happens. 568 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 3: Probably the last one. The twins now see me as 569 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 3: a threat. I've moved into the house. They tell me 570 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 3: a thing, and so I had to kind of ask, 571 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 3: Like the staff downstairs. 572 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: Kind of helped me and told me, okay, hef drinks 573 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: this and he comes down at this time, and I 574 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: just was I was asking them like, what do I do? 575 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: What's the schedule, what happens here? 576 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: And what do you feel is in this for you? 577 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: I think to me, because I never I never wanted 578 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 2: to be an actor or anything like that. And I 579 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: only got into modeling in San Diego because you know, 580 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: it paid some more money than. 581 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: Than a regular job. 582 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: So I guess it was, Oh, maybe I feel like 583 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: I could be long here. 584 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 3: I was intrigued. I just. 585 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: It was gonna go with the flow. I finally felt 586 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: that I was important in my life. But it was 587 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: it was shortly I found out that it was all 588 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 2: smoke and mirrors. 589 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious. You mentioned your dad passed when you 590 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: were younger. How old were you when your dad passed? 591 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 3: I was twelve. 592 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, I'm sorry. Wow, that is a lot for 593 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: a twelve year old girl to deal with. And so 594 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: you said, you've I read in several articles how you 595 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: have been doing a lot of therapy. Yes, I'm sure 596 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: that has come up. Do you feel like, without diving 597 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: into your therapy, do you feel like that looking back 598 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: was a part of it? Was that father figure, someone 599 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: who would represent that in your life. 600 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: I think abandonment issues to definitely play a role. And 601 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 2: when HEF wanted me by his side at all times 602 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,719 Speaker 2: and I was rewarded for being codependent with HEF, yeah, 603 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 2: it gave this illusion of I won't be abandoned. 604 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's loyalty, and you were seeking loyalty and some Yeah, 605 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: I get that. And you said you was sometime before 606 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: you realized it was smoking mirrors. What was that moment 607 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: when did you realize this was smoking mirrors? And what 608 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: does that mean? 609 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: Well, when you first go to the mansion, it's this 610 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: place that seems pretty incredible on the surface, right, But 611 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 2: after living there for a while, you know, I took 612 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: advantage of the twenty four seven kitchen. I ended up 613 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: gaining some weight. I ended up weighing one hundred and 614 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: thirty four pounds, which is the most I've ever weighed. 615 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: Oh good lord, you must have been a size too 616 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: by then, krister and then. 617 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, half like tapped me on the thigh. He's like, 618 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 2: it looks like someone needs to tone up. And so 619 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: I thought at the time, I wasn't like, f you, 620 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 2: that's rude. 621 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 3: At the time, I thought, oh wow. 622 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 2: Like I'm slipping. I can do better. I need to 623 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 2: do better. And so yeah, I lost the way to 624 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 2: got back. I went down to one point fifteen, and 625 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: he would then he would start telling me things like 626 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 2: wear something more colorful. Where the flag which is the 627 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: Playboy Bunny logo? Change your nail polish, your roots are 628 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: growing in dye your hair. I had a bad dream 629 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 2: that you were brunette. 630 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 3: Put it back blonde. My hair is naturally dark. 631 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 2: And I just slowly started getting controlled. And then the 632 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 2: mansion itself, I'm like, this place is kind of dirty, 633 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: this is this is gross, Like a lot of this 634 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 2: stuff hasn't been changed out, and the just everything like 635 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 2: emotionally and physically just started like this is weird. 636 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: Well the buzz has worn off, right, I mean that 637 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: high that you felt that night at the Halloween party 638 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: has gone, and now reality is set in that I 639 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: am in a very controlling relationship with as you said 640 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this, a narcissistic human being. 641 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, hef was very narcissistic, and it took me so 642 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 2: long to really figure that out. It wasn't until my 643 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 2: five years of therapy. Like I've been quiet for so long. Yeah, 644 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 2: I figured out and we didn't have terms then. Narcissism. 645 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 2: I really didn't like misogyny. I didn't understand it then. 646 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 3: And also boundaries, Like I'm only in the most recent 647 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 3: years learning what boundaries are and how to have them. 648 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm twenty one years old. You saw this way 649 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: to kind of grab the brass ring, and the power 650 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: dynamic was set kind of unbeknoast to you. You kind 651 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 1: of entered into this agreement without I mean not signing 652 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: an agreement, but just this agreement where you kind of 653 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: moved into someone who had one hundred percent of the power. 654 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: So there was no power dynamic for you, there was 655 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: no boundaries. That is an incredibly toxic place and life 656 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: and relationship for you. 657 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a massive imbalance of power. 658 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 2: And you know, I realize now that the bad things 659 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 2: happen when there's such an imbalance of power. And also 660 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 2: at the time, I didn't know really who I was, 661 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 2: And you know, I talk about it in the book 662 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: that if you don't know who you are, it can 663 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: be dictated to you by somebody else. And when it's 664 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 2: dictated to you by somebody else, it could also be 665 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 2: taken away. 666 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you hope that those people that are above you, 667 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: and especially you know he was eighty one, an older man. 668 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 1: You think, okay, he has my best interest at heart. 669 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: He's going to take care of me. And I'm sure 670 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: that's how you felt coming into the mansion, is like 671 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,439 Speaker 1: I will be cared for. There's food, there's a there's 672 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: all these things. These people are going to be loyal 673 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: and look out for my best interest, and you realize 674 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: that you were just a pawn in this game. My 675 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: thanks to Crystal, and there is so much more to 676 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,439 Speaker 1: unpack here. That was really just the history of how 677 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: we got to the present and where Crystal is today. 678 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: Is she dating, has she forgiven half? Is she ready 679 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: to move on? There are so many more things I 680 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: would love to talk to her about, So we will 681 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: do that in a future episode of the Most Dramatic 682 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: podcast ever More with Krystal Heffner. Check it out. I 683 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: encourage you go into the link there and click the 684 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: next one and listen to the next episode. But thank 685 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: you for joining me today. Truly appreciate it. I enjoy 686 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: these conversations, and I really appreciate you being here for 687 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 1: these conversations. I hope I am asking the questions that 688 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: you were dying to ask and wanting to know about Playboy. 689 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: I know I had a bunch. Check out the next 690 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: episode and until then, I'll talk to you next time 691 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,439 Speaker 1: because we have a lot more to talk about. Thanks 692 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the Most Dramatic 693 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 1: Pod Ever, and make sure to write us a review 694 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.