1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: We bring in Don Mattingly. The numbers, the official numbers 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 2: are five and thirty one games over thirty six seasons 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: as a player, coach, manager, and you're going to your 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: first World Series. How's it feel? 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 3: It feels pretty good, Dan. How many shows you probably got. 8 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 4: The similar amount of shows? Yeah? 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: Yes, And I haven't money either. 10 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 4: I haven't won to oh you one for sure. 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: What's your role as a bench coach for the Blue Jays. 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 4: Anymore? It's getting It just feels less and less. 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 3: I think when I first came here, John was, you know, 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 3: in his first year of. 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 4: First full year of managing. 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I felt like my role was 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: to come in and just be a voice for him 18 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 3: and be another set of eyes as he went through it. 19 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 4: It feels like it's getting less. I kind of look 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 4: at the Marlo Hale and myself for here. 21 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: We're both over sixty and I call us the first 22 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: respective coaches. 23 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 4: We've got to keep things in perspective. 24 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 3: As the season goes and it gets a little crazy, 25 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: you lose a couple of games, and you got to 26 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: try to keep it in perspective. But in general, you know, 27 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: going through the game with John and staying up. I 28 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: do more of the offensive side of Hey, you want 29 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 3: to pinch it here, we want to run, you know, 30 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: just kind of staying on top of a few things, 31 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: cause he's usually thinking about pitching or what he's going 32 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: to do next inning or whatever, and I just try 33 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: to make sure I'm just kind of keeping up with 34 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: a game for him. 35 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: Love is going through your mind when you're trailing in 36 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: Game seven, Uh. 37 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: You know what? 38 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 4: Trust? 39 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: This has been a team that all year long, like 40 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: through this postseason, we've came down to like we need 41 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: to win last day of the season to give ourselves 42 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 3: a few days and get healthy, get our pitching together. 43 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 4: We get down a couple. 44 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: Of games, we lose the game in New York, we 45 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: got to lead, it could have could have turned And 46 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: all year long, this has been a team that I 47 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: could sit here and go, you know what, I trust 48 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: these guys. And that doesn't mean it's going to work out. 49 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 3: But for the most part, these guys show up and 50 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 3: they play. 51 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 4: They're a team and they are really fun to be around. 52 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: Of all the teams that you're going to face in 53 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: the World Series, and it happens to be the Dodgers. 54 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: What are you thinking when you go back to Los Angeles? 55 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: What kind of feelings? 56 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 4: No good? 57 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 3: I had a great run there in LA and walked 58 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: away from there, you know, feeling good. Didn't feel like, 59 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: you know, any negativity towards those guys, and and then 60 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: going back it's it's really more it's kind of like 61 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: going to New York at this time of year. 62 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 4: It's like, hey, what do. 63 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: We have to do to win a game? 64 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 4: Right? 65 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: And it's it's business. It's it's pretty much that for us. Obviously, 66 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: I've never been in a World Series, so I'm gonna 67 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 3: enjoy this. I've been enjoying this ride with team again. 68 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 3: It's a fun team. It's a team you can trust. 69 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: It's probably the best word you can say as a 70 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: coach or a manager is that you can trust these guys. 71 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 2: What's it been like though, all of those years where 72 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: you're watching somebody else win a World Series or go 73 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: to a World Series? 74 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: You know, different phases of that. Obviously, early earlier as 75 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: a player, you always feel like you're going to get there, 76 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: always felt like we were going to win it, you know, 77 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: any level that I've ever been we've won, and I 78 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: always felt like we were going to win in New York. 79 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: As a player, I felt that way. As a coach, 80 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: I felt that way a coach. In LA I felt 81 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 3: that way. Miami maybe had one year there, we had 82 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: a little run, but it wasn't quite as good as 83 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: I would have liked there. So yeah, I've always felt 84 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: like I was going to get there and have a 85 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: chance to win. 86 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: What's it like now to have a younger son. I 87 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: think you have three grown boys, but now a younger 88 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: son watching add on the big stage in a World Series. 89 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: It's it's been a lot of fun watching him go 90 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: through this and the difference I think with my older boys, 91 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: you know, we never got on this run, so they 92 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 3: didn't do this, you know, extra month of baseball where 93 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: you get to go and you get to have the 94 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: celebrations and you get to go through, you know, losing 95 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: the first couple of games here and having to you know, 96 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: have some must win games and. 97 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 4: Different spots on the road. 98 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: But to have him go through it and kind of 99 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: see his. 100 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 4: Love of baseball grow. 101 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: And that's what's been kind of fun this year is 102 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: he's just really kind of gotten into baseball. You know, 103 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: Kirk gets a couple of homers. The next thing you know, 104 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 3: Louis wants to be a catcher, you know, and then 105 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: it's like, okay, this is great, you know. So it's 106 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: been fun to watch him go through it. 107 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: But go back, and this is what ninety five, when 108 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: you hurt your back or you may have to make 109 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: that decision that you're going to retire, and how old 110 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: are your boys then like, if it doesn't happen, you're 111 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: going to continue to play for a little while longer. 112 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: And that team was going to World Series, so you 113 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: may have held on even longer, but you wouldn't have 114 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 2: been at home with your boys at that time. So 115 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: I don't know, can you look at it as a 116 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: blessing that you did get hurt and then you retired 117 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: so you could be at home. 118 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 4: One hundred percent? I don't. 119 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: I feel like I had a choice at that point 120 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: in ninety five and I was actually starting I finally 121 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: had kind of found a routine, you know, with my 122 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: back that I was able to start to figure out, Okay, 123 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: I can play, do this much work and I stay 124 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: fairly healthy. Right, So that part I'd kind of figured out. 125 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 3: But the family part I couldn't figure out because all 126 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: I was doing in ninety five and really ninety four, 127 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: I probably would have retired after ninety four if the 128 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: strike didn't them along. All I was doing Dan was 129 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: in Jersey. The kids weren't really coming anymore. They were 130 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: at an age where they were starting to play Little 131 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: League and they didn't want to come to New. 132 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 4: York and sit around and do nothing. 133 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: So all I was doing off the road was come, 134 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: I'd go home, I'd go to the bedroom, I'd go 135 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: down through the kitchen, grab a cup of coffee, and 136 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 3: go to the ballpark and rinse and repeat every day. 137 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 3: And that just wasn't enough at that point. And for me, 138 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: so the baseball part I still loved. I still felt 139 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 3: like I was I was starting again, starting to get 140 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: where I could produce again. 141 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 4: But that other side of it, like the thought of my. 142 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: Boys me trying to play more and not being a 143 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: part of their lives. 144 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 4: I just couldn't do that. And I'm so glad I. 145 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: Did what I did, and because I don't think they 146 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: would have known me near as well if I would 147 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: have kept playing. And yeah, I lost out at the. 148 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: End of the day. 149 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 4: I didn't get rings. 150 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 3: I may had a chance for but I would do 151 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: I would not I would not change it at one 152 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 3: one bit. 153 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: Don Mattingly, the Blue Jays bench coach and a former 154 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: batting champion. You know, we met in nineteen eighty three, 155 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: and there is actually a report that I did on 156 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: CNN on you. I think it's from nineteen eighty four. 157 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: It's on YouTube, and I will say, I look pretty 158 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: damn good back then. But you you had that mustache. 159 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: You look pretty good back then. 160 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: I don't even want to look at those pictures because 161 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: you feel you feel good on the inside. You feel 162 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 4: the same I. Did you see the mirror and you're like, ooh, 163 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 4: the skin. The skin was a lot tighter in those days. 164 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: Did you How did you feel about Donnie Baseball as 165 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: a nickname? 166 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: You know what, I didn't mind it because number one 167 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: came from Kirby. It was just awesome, awesome guy who 168 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: kind of he's started this baseball baseball baseball thing. 169 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 4: At a dinner we would do and. 170 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: Gave you that nickname, Kirby, Oh wow. 171 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 4: And it started in Rochester, New York. We did a 172 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 4: dinner uh for Kenny Kaiser. Uh passed away. Got the 173 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 4: rest of the soul. 174 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: But we do it from every year and you kind 175 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: of hang around afterwards, you know, you might have a 176 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: few drinks and Kirby's talking and gets going. 177 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 4: And Donnie Baseball baseball, Donnie baseball, and it just kind 178 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 4: of hit and it stuck somehow. I don't know how 179 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 4: it got passed on. 180 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 3: But then I thought later, I said, you know, I've 181 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 3: probably been called a lot worse. 182 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 4: So I'm like that suld like that one. That one's okay. 183 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 2: Critique, well not critique, I guess analyze. Show he tani 184 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: at the plate. 185 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 4: Oh, I probably shouldn't do that. Probably shouldn't do that. 186 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: But I mean, I haven't looked at him really really close. 187 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: But I think, like anyone, there are places to go 188 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 3: to get him out right, And it doesn't mean you 189 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: can go there all the time. That means you got 190 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: to find different ways to get there. 191 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: But the strategy of having him lead on. Could you 192 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: imagine in today's game you might lead off? 193 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's it's different, right. 194 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: I think it depends on your lineup, right. I think 195 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 3: the year, one of my biggest years, really put me 196 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: in a two hole. 197 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 4: And that was ahead of his time. 198 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: You know, hitting in front of windfield behind Ricky, So 199 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 3: that was a great spot to hit it. I always 200 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: felt like the two hole was probably the best spot 201 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: to hit in if you have a really if you 202 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 3: have a deep lineup, and that means you're eight and 203 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: nine guys are getting on base, which for me in 204 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: that that year, ik was Willie Randolph hit ninth with 205 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: maybe a four. 206 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 4: Hundred on base and then Ricky. It was just a 207 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 4: perfect spot. 208 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, the game, I think we've we've seen it 209 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: with Atlanta when they did it was so lair in 210 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: the World Series, they threw him in the one hole. 211 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 4: He hit some big homers. It gets him an extra 212 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 4: at bat because that spot comes. 213 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: Around if it's a close game in the ninth, you're 214 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: getting to the ninth that that spot's probably coming around 215 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: for the extra at bat. 216 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: And who do you want to. 217 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: Get at a you know, a leadoff guy that may 218 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 3: be a high own base guy, but or do you 219 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: want the guy that can change the game right there? 220 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 2: So you don't want to give me any secrets, You 221 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 2: don't want to give the Dodgers any secrets on what 222 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: you think about Tony. 223 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: I mean, probably the whole league tries to do the 224 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: same thing Dan with the information that they have today, 225 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: you know, everybody knows where you can go or where 226 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: the spots are to get him out. But that doesn't 227 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 3: mean when he's swinging good, he doesn't get there. And 228 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you can just keep going there, right, 229 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: You can't just keep doing it. You got to find 230 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: different ways to get to that spot or those spots, 231 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 3: whatever they are. 232 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 4: And that's that's what makes it tough. It makes him tough. 233 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 3: Mookie, I mean, Freddy, they got a club now, so 234 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 3: you know we're going to show up and play. So 235 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 3: it'd be a series. 236 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: What's your favorite Ricky Henderson's story? 237 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: Uh, I probably look at it, think of it differently. 238 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 3: I think not necessarily story, just memories right of You know, 239 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: when we go to Oakland, Ricky would he invited me out. 240 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: We had lunch his house with his girl and just 241 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: seeing his place, and I remember he had this beautiful 242 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 3: weight room. I'm like, man, this equipment's nice, and I said, 243 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: you use this in the winter. He's like nah, I 244 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: basically do push ups and sit ups and run sprints. 245 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: So he had this beautiful weight room that he never 246 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: really used. But I just have memories like that. Just 247 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: him and I just kind of hit it off, you know, 248 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 3: on the field and off, and I. 249 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: Thought that was That's what I think about. 250 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: Did he talk in third person to you? 251 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: No? 252 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: I mean I think we all kind of like take 253 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: this stuff a little further than. 254 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 4: It needs to go, right. But you know, Ricky, Ricky 255 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 4: was sharp for me. 256 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: He was a he was a player that knew what 257 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: he was doing and and. 258 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 4: And was smart. 259 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: I felt like off the field too, Uh, wasn't doing 260 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 3: crazy stuff. Uh. 261 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: Do you feel like an underdog in this series? 262 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit. 263 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 3: I mean I think you have to. I mean, the 264 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: Dodgers have got experience. Uh you know, they won last year. 265 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 3: They've showed it. You see a little bit of the 266 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: bulls like in Michael's years with the regular season doesn't 267 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: really It's like if they get in, who wants who 268 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: wants to play him? So they've got that experience in 269 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: that pedigree. But the great thing about our club, and 270 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 3: I say I've said it a couple of times, they 271 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: just show up and play. It feels like sand Lot 272 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 3: with our guys. I mean, I'm okay, they look like 273 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 3: they're having fun. They've always just showed up and played. 274 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: We lose two or three in a row during the season, 275 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: they show up and play. We won five or six 276 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: in a row. They look the same. They show up 277 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: and they play, And I think that's what we'll do. 278 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: I think we'll show up and we'll play pretty good baseball. 279 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 3: We catch the ball, we run the bases decent, we 280 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: can put it in play. 281 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 4: A little bit. Their starting pitching is really really good. Uh. 282 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: Those those you know, the four guys they threw that 283 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: last series, they're all number ones. So I mean it's 284 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: it's gonna it's gonna be a battle. 285 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: Do you think about the Hall of Fame? Uh? 286 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: Now? 287 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 3: And then more when people bring it up, only you know, 288 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: and I've started. I think I've changed over the years. 289 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: You're kind of like, man, whatever, I've played my cards 290 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: or whatever. 291 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 4: But I think I look back at it now. 292 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 3: And go, you know what, there's not a guy in there, 293 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: a pitcher in there that I don't think I could hit. 294 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 4: There really isn't. There really isn't. There's never been a 295 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 4: guy that I didn't think I could hit. And I 296 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 4: know that if I was on. 297 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: The field with those guys, I wouldn't be out of place. 298 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: And that's but after that, I don't what am I 299 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 3: gonna do? 300 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: You keep going, Yeah, but we put in guys who 301 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: got injured and their careers cut short. We do this 302 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: in all sports, especially football. 303 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan, you know what, you know, I'm not going 304 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: to politic. I'm just going I basically did what our 305 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 3: club does, showed. 306 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 4: Up and I played. 307 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: Now I'm raising boys and getting along in baseball, getting older. 308 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: I think I'd be just as happy. 309 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: Being a bench coach or an advisor or coaching Louie's 310 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: tenu team. You know, it's just like and just get 311 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: a different perspective over time. 312 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 4: So that part of my life is those cards have 313 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 4: been played. 314 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: But I do feel like, like I know. 315 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be out of place on a field with 316 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 4: any of those guys. 317 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: So Randy Johnson, Steve Carlton, no no problem, bring them on. 318 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 4: No yeah, I say bring them on. I don't say 319 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: no problem. You know what I mean. There's guys that 320 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 4: give you problems that. 321 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 3: But you figure them out. You got to try to 322 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: figure it out. And Randy was kind of the opposite. 323 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: Hit Randy early really well, as he started to get 324 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: the slider over, he'd give me more and more trouble, 325 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: all right, And that doesn't mean that like Carlton, I 326 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 3: faced him, but he was he was kind of past 327 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: his prime. I didn't get to see the nasty slider 328 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 3: and all that. But I just think I just know 329 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 3: that I figured it out. I figured it out. I've 330 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: never felt like anybody really ever overpowered me, and nobody 331 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: that I felt like throw too hard for me, any 332 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: of that kind of stuff, and just kind of always 333 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: figured it out. 334 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again, Congrats, have fun. We'll 335 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: be watching, and thanks for joining us. 336 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: Thanks Dan, It's always good to talk to you. And 337 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: I didn't get thrown out of a game this year. 338 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 4: I know. 339 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: I thought I could have gotten a uniform at Toronto Uniform. 340 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: I got your Dodger uniform over there, still on display 341 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: in the Mannicu. 342 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 4: Oh my, oh my. 343 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: And I have your hit Man poster in the man 344 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: Cave as well. 345 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 4: I like it. 346 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: I like it d him all right, you guys, have 347 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: a good one. 348 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 4: Thank you. 349 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: Don be sure to catch the live edition of The 350 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am 351 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. It's 352 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: me Rob Parker. 353 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 5: Check out my weekly MLB podcast, Inside the Parker for 354 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 5: twenty two minutes of pipe in hop baseball talk, featuring 355 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 5: the biggest names of newsmakers in the sport. Whether you 356 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 5: believe in analytics or the icast, We've got all the 357 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 5: bases covered. New episodes drop every Thursday, So do your 358 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 5: sofa favor and listen to Inside the Parker with Rob 359 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 5: Parker on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. 360 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: Prior to joining Front Office Sports, Ben Horny spent twelve 361 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: years at Law three sixty and he oversaw sports betting, mergers, acquisitions, 362 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: capital markets, private equity. He's been covering this latest story 363 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: with the NBA, and really it's big than that. Than 364 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: just the NBA. It's the FBI with over thirty people 365 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: arrested involved in gambling schemes that had to do with poker, 366 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: also apparently sports betting as well. Ben kind enough to 367 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: join us. Give me the tone of that press conference. 368 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 6: Ben, Yeah, Dan, thank you so much for having me. 369 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 6: It was it was How do I describe the tone? 370 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 6: First of all, there was no internet, which was not 371 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 6: great for US reporters. It was pretty intense, very serious. 372 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 6: There were more than twenty officials including Cash Bettel, director 373 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 6: of the FBI. Very serious. They said, this is the 374 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 6: tip of the iceberg. Both of these investigations are still ongoing. 375 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: Okay, let's start with the Chauncey Billups allegations and Terry 376 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: Rogier and Damon Jones. What were they alledged to have 377 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: been involved in? 378 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 6: So there were two things. One was this a legend. 379 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 6: By the way, they're all alleged. Still everyone's and said 380 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 6: until proven guilty. They made sure to make that clear. 381 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 6: There was one operation called Operation Royal Flush that involved 382 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 6: the poker scheme and basically they would dupe everyday people 383 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 6: into playing these games with high profile people like Chauncey 384 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 6: Phillips and Damon Jones. But everyone else besides the victim 385 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 6: knew was in on the scam allegedly. So they were 386 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 6: using technology to like read cards. They said something about 387 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 6: X ray technology where cards would be faced down but 388 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 6: they could still see what cards they were, and they 389 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 6: were duping people out of thousands, you know, ultimately it 390 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 6: was more than it was millions of dollars, Cash Pattel said, 391 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 6: So that was that was that. It was when Chauncey 392 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 6: Bilts was a former player, Damon Jones former player. They're 393 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 6: both coaches. 394 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 2: Very not cool. Where what's the timeframe on this? Because 395 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: Chauncey Billups coached last night? But when is he alleged 396 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: to have been involved in this gambling ring? 397 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 6: So it's relatively recently, and by that I just mean 398 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 6: within a few years ago. It was he was a 399 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 6: former player, now he's been retired for a while. 400 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't. 401 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 6: I would need to go read the indictment, which I 402 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 6: have right here, hundreds of pages to find out exactly 403 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 6: the year, but I think that it was a legend 404 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 6: before he was a coach. This has been going on 405 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 6: for years, they said. 406 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 2: But why is it surfacing now? 407 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 6: So they've been investigating for a handful of years, collecting evidence, 408 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 6: trying to figure out, you know, how they could nail them. 409 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 6: And they obviously have enough evidence now that they felt 410 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 6: they could charge these people. They arrested Chauncey Billups and 411 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 6: Terry Rozier this morning, along with others. The other interesting 412 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 6: factor here is that they said that the Italian mob 413 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 6: is I mean, this is like a Hollywood movie. They 414 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 6: made a mention of that, but it is real life. 415 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 6: Has the NBA responded, I have not been in touch 416 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 6: with the NBA. I did ask at the press conference 417 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 6: whether the NBA cooperated with the investigation, and they said, yes, 418 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 6: the NBA cooperated. 419 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 2: What do you think is next? 420 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 6: Well, like I said, it's the tip of the iceberg. 421 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 6: So you know, now Chauncey Billups and Terry Rose here, 422 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 6: they're going to be arraigned in court. And for the 423 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 6: wins by the way in Oregon and Florida today, we 424 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 6: don't know exactly when. And they're you know, they're charged. 425 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 6: There's going to be trials moving forward. I think the 426 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 6: FBI and the law enforcement agencies they're still asking people, hey, 427 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 6: if you know anything about this, you know, we're open ears. 428 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 6: They're still investigating. So the the implication is that further players, coaches, 429 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 6: et cetera could still come out. 430 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: But are we talking about fixing games? Betting on games? 431 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 6: But that was so that's the other There were two 432 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 6: investigations right there with the poker one. The other one 433 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 6: which is what Rosier is involved in? Players like Rosier 434 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 6: and you know he's the only player and John Taye 435 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 6: Porter is the other one that was part of this. 436 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 6: They were giving inside information about they were going to 437 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 6: claim that they were injured. They were going to say 438 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 6: they're going to play poorly. They were telling other people 439 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 6: involved in the scam so that people on the outside 440 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 6: would bet on you know, Terry Rozier is going to 441 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 6: score less than ten points. And then Rosier would exit 442 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 6: the game in the second quarter saying that he's getting 443 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 6: a leg cramp. You know, that's what it was. I mean, 444 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 6: this was being reported for a while, but now the 445 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 6: charges are really out there. That's what was happening. 446 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: Ben. Thank you. I know you got a busy day. 447 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 2: Thank you taking some time for us. 448 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 6: Thanks so much. 449 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: Dad. 450 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 2: That's Ben Horny from Front Office Sports covering finance, private 451 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 2: equity ownership, and gambling. So you got the crime families 452 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: in New York, you got poker games, X ray tables, 453 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: you got people wearing contact lenses or glasses that can 454 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: read a marked card. Then you have prop bets maybe 455 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 2: with gambling, and that's what Terry Rozier Johnte Porter was 456 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 2: involved in. But did Chauncey Billups lure people to poker 457 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: games knowing that those people were going to be cheated? 458 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 2: And I think that's what it sounds like he's been 459 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 2: arrested with. And you're talking about hundreds of thousands of 460 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: dollars here that added up to now I think around 461 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: seven million dollars. Who that's wild, It's wild, yeah, Pully. 462 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 7: And you asked again, Chauncey Billups is not a victim 463 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 7: of this, He's allegedly a participant. 464 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but imagine that your job is to lure, 465 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: not that If Damon Jones said, hey, do you want 466 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: to come to a poker game, I'd go, Sure, that's 467 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: Damon Jones or Terry Rogier. But Chauncey Billups Okay, And 468 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: then are you getting a kickback? And if so, what 469 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: kind of kickback? Or you I'm sure that you're getting 470 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: a kickback. Let's say, you know, the house is making 471 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: seventy five thousand dollars we're going to give you, but 472 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: you got to make it worth his while. That's what 473 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: I don't understand, because he's not really playing poker then, 474 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 2: But I don't you know, maybe Chauncey Billups owed somebody, hey, 475 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: you want to pay down your debt and here's how 476 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: you do it. Now, Once again just speculating, but just 477 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: trying to figure out. Chauncey Phillips has done well in 478 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: his career. In his NBA career. Now was this in 479 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 2: between when he retired to becoming coach of the Blazers. 480 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: Sounds like it, but wow, how much could you make 481 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 2: where you go? This is worth it? Now? Once again 482 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: you never do these things, and you go, what if 483 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: I get caught? They're probably thinking nobody's going to know 484 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: about this, it's just us. But all of a sudden 485 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: you bring in the mafia, the crime family. Man, my 486 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: antenna would go up. I'd be like, uh yeah, Paul. 487 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 7: The one thing journalistically is Lebron James is going to 488 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 7: be asked about this with his friendship, long term friendship 489 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 7: with Damon Jones, the player they played on different teams together. 490 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 7: The Athletic and the Times. The New York Times already 491 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 7: running different article about things Damon Jones. 492 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 8: Is accused of. 493 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 7: So it's one of those things. Whether obviously not a 494 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 7: choose anybody, but you have to answer for It's gonna. 495 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 8: Be tough week. 496 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can just say, you know, I 497 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 2: have clearly no idea. 498 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm just saying that. 499 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 2: He's not going to be answering and he's not around, right, 500 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: you can't talk to Lebron he's not around. I don't think. Yeah, 501 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: all right, then the Blazers players too, a bunch of 502 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: young guys. Yeah. 503 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 8: Hey, let's ask you about what's going on with your 504 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 8: head coach? 505 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, tip of the Iceberg. 506 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 507 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 508 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 509 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: listen live. 510 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 2: John Jashaw look at him, six time Emmy winner, Radio 511 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. He of course was on Entertainment tonight. Man. 512 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: He gave us round Ball Rock and he has come 513 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: out with a first album of all original music. It's 514 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: called Sports and he can talk about that coming up 515 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: as well. We've talked about that round Ball Rock helped 516 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 2: put your two kids through school. But what are you 517 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: making off of this round Ball Rock? 518 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 9: In nineteen ninety, when I heard the story, when I 519 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 9: when I heard that NBC had had gotten the rights 520 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 9: to the NBA back, I would I'm in that sports 521 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 9: ecosystem right because I'm working for the network doing other stuff, 522 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 9: and I thought, well, what would a sports theme? What 523 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 9: would an MBA theme sound like? And as the story goes, 524 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 9: I woke up in the middle of the night in 525 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 9: majev France as I was covering the Tour de France 526 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 9: and had a melody in my head and it was 527 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 9: k k k k k k k k k kick 528 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 9: can k And I knew that. I knew that if 529 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 9: I if I didn't, if I went back to sleep, 530 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 9: and I'm sure you've had this feeling, you have a 531 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 9: great idea and you go back to sleep. 532 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 8: And it's gone. 533 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 9: I didn't have an I didn't have a tape recorder 534 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 9: or anything to put it down sheet music, and so 535 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 9: I called my answering machine in the middle of a 536 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 9: nine at two am. 537 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 8: And recorded that. 538 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 9: And when I got home the two seconds you know, 539 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 9: k kick and kik kick, can't kick and kick kick gang? 540 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 8: Where on my answering machine? 541 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: Okay? Can I play that. One of the portions of 542 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: this is John Chash calling himself. 543 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 9: This is a message for me about the NBA theme. 544 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 9: Here's an idea. 545 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 4: It goes like this. 546 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's the original. The original. 547 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: I've been played over twelve thousand times, John, that's sports history. 548 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 9: Well and and uh, it's supernatural for me because the 549 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 9: first time it was on the air and I was 550 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 9: sitting in a bar watching it come on the air. 551 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 9: I had I had written hundreds of themes for for CBS, 552 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 9: in particular, uh, you know football, everything for football to tennis, 553 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 9: and so this wasn't just another theme. It was sort 554 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 9: of bouncy and and not as epic as most of 555 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 9: the stuff that I But. 556 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 2: Are you telling people in the bar, hey, that's my theme? 557 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 8: I wrote that, Yeah, I did. It didn't go well. 558 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 9: I was sitting there by my I'm in Atlanta and 559 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 9: San Antonio, I think it was San Antonio versus the Lakers, 560 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 9: and I had no family or any of their friends 561 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 9: in Atlanta. 562 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 8: So yeah, I went to a bar knowing it was 563 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 8: going to come on the air. 564 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 9: And back then, you know, only one network had the NBA, 565 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 9: so it was on every TV set and it was 566 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 9: really loud, and there was a lot of people in 567 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 9: there watching it. And so I'm sitting there for a while, 568 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 9: and after the third time it came on the air, 569 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 9: I couldn't help myself anymore, and I said to the 570 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 9: bartender do you hear that song? 571 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 8: And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. 572 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 9: He never did, right, And I go that I wrote that, 573 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 9: you know, and he goes, oh, yeah, you want another beer? 574 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 4: You know? 575 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 8: And that was it. 576 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 9: You know, so two days ago whatever it was last Tuesday, 577 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 9: I'm sitting in a bar in New York City after 578 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 9: doing the Today Show with my family Italian family, watching 579 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 9: four TVs. 580 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 8: They're twenty five years later. 581 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 9: You have thirty five years later since its debuted, and 582 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 9: so yeah, and we got the same reaction. 583 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 2: But when I go to one of your concerts, how 584 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 2: long do I wait before you bring out round Ball Rock? 585 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 9: Well, it's it's really strategic because my concerts are women 586 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 9: who have dragged their boyfriends or their husbands to a 587 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 9: John's concert, and they do that because they're looking for. 588 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 8: A little relationship cred, right, the little little yeah. Uh. 589 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 9: And so the husbands are are like this, you know, 590 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 9: we joke about in the band, you know, and so 591 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 9: we save it until like the second to last song, 592 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 9: and we because of ad libs. You know, the song 593 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 9: is only a minute four, but we turn it into 594 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 9: like a fifteen segment. Why not, right with stuff from 595 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 9: the Saturday Night Live bit and people learning how to 596 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 9: play it on all the different instruments and people twirling 597 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 9: their batons, marching music to it, and uh, and so 598 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 9: this becomes they lean over into their into their spouse 599 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 9: and it's like, god, this is this is sorely it's 600 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 9: you know that kind of thing. So we finally get them, 601 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 9: but until that point, it's it's it's complete torture for 602 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 9: the guys. 603 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: But you have some songs off your album sports Chasing Gold, 604 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: over Time Mile eighteen, Dream Mile, Iron War ConA Paris 605 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: seventy eight. So obviously you love these sports. What is 606 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: it about sports that brings about a theme or you know, 607 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: it becomes anthemic to you in your mind. 608 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, first of all, I do here in 609 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 9: my studio, I always have video playing. I have a 610 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 9: couple of you know, great loops highlights of many different sports, 611 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 9: and so I love that. I love that movement, and 612 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 9: it just it just the experience of being there, of 613 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 9: being at the Iron Man, the experience of me I 614 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 9: ran five New York marathons poorly, of being in the 615 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 9: start house with Franz Klamer at the beginning of the 616 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 9: laber Horn downhill in vengan Switz, or having you know, 617 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 9: carry strug uh you use a piece or or figure 618 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 9: skaters from Russia using a piece of mind to to 619 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 9: skate to the I love writing in that format and 620 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 9: and and basically it's all left turns. You can't write 621 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 9: verse chorus, verse, chorus bridge and then you know, like 622 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 9: the hit songs, it has to be like okay, theme 623 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 9: and then and then the brass hands off to the strings, 624 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 9: and the strings may play it again, they hand off 625 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 9: to maybe the drums. And so when I turned Round 626 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 9: Ball Rock in to to NBC, it was fully formed 627 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 9: like that, where there was a place for the theme 628 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 9: and the animation and the peacock to open up, and 629 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 9: then there was a floor with it just went bump 630 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 9: bomb ba bump, bump bump bah bah that. So so 631 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 9: that Marv could say, here we're going, this is happening. 632 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 9: And then and then at the end it was just 633 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 9: doom doom, doom doom, so that we could go brought 634 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 9: to you by Macy's and Kohle's and and Bud and 635 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 9: that that kind of stuff. So knowing that, knowing the 636 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 9: segmentation of that, and that's what you hear on the 637 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 9: album Sports Too is the left turn. So it might 638 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 9: be in four to four rock four four, and then 639 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 9: it might go into a seven eight tempo, or it 640 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 9: might break down into just acoustic guitar, because that's the 641 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 9: way we work out. 642 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: Right, we're talking to John Jash, National Radio Hall of Famer, 643 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: six time Emmy Award winner, won a couple of Grammys. 644 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: He created round Ball Rock better theme song Entertainment Tonight 645 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: are round ball Rock? 646 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 4: Oh? 647 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 8: Round ball Rock? 648 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 9: I mean Entertainment Tonight was what I mean both Somebody 649 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 9: in a review called called round Ball Rock the Hallelujah 650 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 9: chorus for the NBA and and and you can see 651 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 9: it on people now who will say that when they 652 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 9: hear those seven or eight notes, that that always told 653 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 9: them back in the day, run to the run to 654 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 9: the living room, because that was the start of basketball. 655 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 9: Was the same thing with entertainments. 656 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: Is this the Leonard Cohen like you're talking about Katie Langing, 657 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: you know, Holly Loujah, that that version. Is that what 658 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 2: you're talking about? That that kind of aestic song. 659 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 9: Oh no, no, no, no, they're just saying that that 660 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 9: it was that the eight notes of round Ball Rock 661 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 9: was was a Hallelujah the the NBA is on right, Okay, yeah, yeah, 662 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 9: it would be nice if it became that that song. 663 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 9: But with Entertainment to Night, I didn't write Entertainment to Night, 664 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 9: although we did record it. 665 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 8: I used. 666 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 9: People would would hum that to me in airports, and 667 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 9: you know, when I flew to New York and came back, 668 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 9: it wasn't that. It was above blah blah blah blah basketball. 669 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 9: And and people on X right have said over and 670 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 9: over again, and even your fans, you know, hey, we 671 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 9: want to hear the lyrics first song, we don't version 672 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 9: of the song, which also reminds me that you know, 673 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 9: when NBC was experimenting during during the preseason, right on Peacock, 674 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 9: there was a there was a very serious conversation going 675 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 9: on about no, no, no, you can't. It has to 676 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 9: you can't edit the theme here. It has to hit 677 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 9: on this and it has to go like go like this. 678 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 9: So fans are in charge now. 679 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 2: But did you ever think about lyrics for round Ball Rock? 680 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 9: Not until I saw the spoof on Saturday Night Live 681 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 9: when it when it became with Jason Sideka's dressed like 682 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 9: me and my brother Dave, I don't have a brother, 683 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 9: day of Dave, Dave tesh and they and they were 684 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 9: auditioning the song for Vince Vaughn, who was who was 685 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 9: supposed to be Dick Eversall at at NBC, and they 686 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 9: and they went blah blah blah blah blah, basketball, give me, 687 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 9: give me, give me the ball because I'm gonna dunk it. 688 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 9: And they would high five on the on the dunkets. 689 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 9: So there are a lot of people. And by the way, 690 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 9: by the way, Dan that when that came out in 691 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 9: the sort of the nascency of of of YouTube, uh, 692 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 9: when YouTube was coming of age, that's when the theme 693 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 9: came back. That was really the point that I can 694 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 9: point to because it was on the shelf for twenty years. 695 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 9: When ABC got the coverage away from from NBC back 696 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 9: in the day that that was, I went to I 697 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 9: went to ABC and said, hey, would you like, uh 698 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 9: another version of this song? They said no, no, no, We're 699 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 9: going to do our own thing. And I think the 700 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 9: reason for that was that this has always been the 701 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 9: NBA on NBC, and I think they're probably worried that 702 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 9: people are going to start turning in Nielsen ratings forms 703 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 9: with oh I just saw it on NBC when they 704 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 9: saw it on ABC. 705 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 8: If that makes any sense? 706 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: All right, before I let you go, can you give 707 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 2: us a little taste of round ball rock? 708 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 9: Yeah, I'd love to. And this actually this song and 709 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 9: eleven other new Songs is on. You mentioned the sports side, 710 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 9: the Sports Record, which is which is not an easy 711 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 9: listening record. It's a record that you would want to 712 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 9: you would want to exercise do. 713 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 2: So here we go, Oh that was fun. How often 714 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: does your wife stop by and go, oh no, not again, 715 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: round back? 716 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 9: It's a such good questions because right over there is 717 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 9: we're in our house. Right right over there is my 718 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 9: wife's office, and there's a hallway here. And when I 719 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 9: was working on the Sports Record, and she would hear 720 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 9: hear me you know whatever, whatever melodies it was, and 721 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 9: she would walk by and she'd go football, and I go, okay, okay, 722 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 9: up for this football. And then she'd hear something else 723 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 9: that she was walking back, and she'd go hockey, like hockey. 724 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 9: We don't watch hockey, you know, hockey. And then she'd 725 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 9: walk back, you know, two days later, and she'd hear 726 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 9: me do something. 727 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 8: She'd go nope, that one's horrible. 728 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 9: And so she's definitely a producer on this on this record. 729 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,919 Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again. Congrats on Round Ball 730 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 2: Rock Part two. 731 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 8: I'm a big fan. 732 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: Thanks Dan, Thank you, Buddy.