Speaker 1: Look maher oh, I see you my own and look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture. Yes, wow, lost.
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Speaker 1: Resta's calling Happy new Year to all the readers, publicist.
Speaker 2: Finalists, and Katie's first and foremost. I thought this was
Speaker 2: going to be a whole thing where I would have
Speaker 2: been like the Larry David in the Curb episode where
Speaker 2: Lennon parm wishes his happy New Year in the gym.
Speaker 2: But it's like January eighteenth, and he goes, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: too late. It's a little late. It's a little late.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's too late. Listen.
Speaker 1: We know we've been separated from our girls, and we
Speaker 1: just want to tell you all we want to warmly
Speaker 1: welcome you into twenty twenty four because that is the
Speaker 1: energy we're bringing into twenty twenty four. Warmth, acceptance and inclusion. Yes,
Speaker 1: wa I warmth, acceptance, inclusion, inclusion. It's actually a real
Speaker 1: of culture.
Speaker 2: Number eight.
Speaker 1: The rules for twenty twenty four is WAI warmth.
Speaker 2: Acceptance and inclusion. Mama, you can have said it better.
Speaker 2: You cannot have said it better.
Speaker 1: I want you to get into this is the list
Speaker 1: of topics that we could discuss today.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not squinting for you, my girl, because are
Speaker 2: you saying are you listing each movie individually for awards season?
Speaker 1: I feel like, here's the thing with movies. They all
Speaker 1: have their own story to tell, and so I feel
Speaker 1: that you can't just lump them all unto Oscar films. Because,
Speaker 1: by the way, how many have you seen of these
Speaker 1: quote unquote Oscar films? And have you been enjoying them?
Speaker 2: I've been really enjoying them for the most part. The
Speaker 2: things that I haven't seen are Zone of Interest in
Speaker 2: Killers of the Fower Moon. Let's just get that out
Speaker 2: of the way.
Speaker 1: Everything you see color purple yet either?
Speaker 2: Did you see color? And color purple? And some other
Speaker 2: things I want to see rustin. But yeah, those are
Speaker 2: the main ones that I haven't seen. But I'm in
Speaker 2: great shape for this time. In most other years, I
Speaker 2: am really behind. But I think I'm kind of on topic.
Speaker 1: I'm doing amazing now too. Like, actually, it's funny because
Speaker 1: the two that I haven't seen are of the Flower
Speaker 1: Moon and Zone of Interest. I think the reason why
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them is because I don't think my
Speaker 1: heart can take either one of them. Yeah, Like, I
Speaker 1: feel like I want to sit down and like actually
Speaker 1: receive them, but just the subject matter of both, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, that's gonna be a lot of a lot.
Speaker 1: And I think what's interesting about this year is it
Speaker 1: seems like there's like a diversity of genre in the
Speaker 1: types of movies that are being discussed now at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, which I'm really appreciating. Wai you
Speaker 1: know what warmth accept it's an inclusion is all over
Speaker 1: the Oscar race this year.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, just to.
Speaker 1: List off some things that I've seen, I've seen salt burned,
Speaker 1: poor things, all of us strangers, American fiction, the color purple, Maestro,
Speaker 1: I watched The Holdovers, I watch Are you there? God,
Speaker 1: it's me Margaret. There's a lot to discuss.
Speaker 2: My other asterisk is have not finished, Maestro.
Speaker 1: Should we start there?
Speaker 2: Sure, although let's start with my least knowledgeable base. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: let's go tell me.
Speaker 1: No, okay, you're not teasing me when you say that
Speaker 1: you actually want me but you want my review? No?
Speaker 2: No, yes, yes said, I'm sorry. My tone is a
Speaker 2: little all over the place today.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, Well, I just want to tell
Speaker 1: you I don't think you need to resume this film.
Speaker 1: Oh I did not like Maestro at all. I would
Speaker 1: just describe it as so Maestro tells the story of
Speaker 1: Leonard Bernstein and Felicia Monteleiagro, who is his wife. And
Speaker 1: if you don't know Leonard Bernstein, he's obviously in one
Speaker 1: of the most iconic musicians of the modern area century,
Speaker 1: twentieth century. I mean he you know, it's just his
Speaker 1: list of accomplishments are very long. West Side Story and
Speaker 1: this tells the story of his marriage.
Speaker 2: To Miss Felicia.
Speaker 1: And it's written, directed, and starring Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 2: Should be Felicia.
Speaker 1: I think it should have been called by Felicia in
Speaker 1: terms of what happens at the end of the movie.
Speaker 1: So basically, like it tells the story of their marriage,
Speaker 1: which was basically like The Beard dot Com. Like, really,
Speaker 1: the movie should have been called The Beard dot Com
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, she willfully participates in this marriage,
Speaker 1: I think, because she loves him for sure. They just
Speaker 1: seem to have great bantath and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like the film flashes forward in time and she's like
Speaker 1: aware of the fact that he's full on gay, like
Speaker 1: fucks Gideon Glick, and all of a sudden like it really.
Speaker 1: One thing I'll give it is it wasn't too long,
Speaker 1: because we finally get to the end and she passes
Speaker 1: away of cancer and it's very, very, very devastating. But
Speaker 1: I would say this movie felt like a collection of
Speaker 1: the wrong scenes from their life. Interesting, like, you get
Speaker 1: to the end, and if this film is supposed to
Speaker 1: be a love letter to her, like from Bradley Cooper's perspective,
Speaker 1: then we don't really get a sense of who she
Speaker 1: is or what she's given up to be with this man,
Speaker 1: or you know, the sacrifices that she is making or
Speaker 1: why she is making them, because you see them eat
Speaker 1: and then you see them in like really establishing their
Speaker 1: relationship and then it kind of she kind of just dies.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: By the way, we should say, if we're talking about
Speaker 1: these films, you can just consider spoiler alert. But if
Speaker 1: you know this, if you know Leonard Bernstein, you know
Speaker 1: his life, yeah, consider the spoiler.
Speaker 2: If this is where it's good that we're starting with
Speaker 2: a biopick. Speaking of which, it's funny that you say
Speaker 2: all these things. The people who've made this movie seem
Speaker 2: to put a really fine point on this not being
Speaker 2: a biopick and this being a love story, that this
Speaker 2: is a love story, sure, And so the fact that
Speaker 2: you're not quite you don't you're not sure where the
Speaker 2: death is for Felicia as a film character or as
Speaker 2: a subject in this biopick, let's say, or I'm sorry
Speaker 2: love story kind of diminishes that idea.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, especially as someone who has just written
Speaker 1: and directed a huge love story, you know, a polar
Speaker 1: critically polarizing, but like massively successful love story with a
Speaker 1: star is born. I think that something that's like, if
Speaker 1: you're to compare the two, something that's really there and
Speaker 1: a star is born. And maybe it's because he was
Speaker 1: working with a template that's like very tried and true,
Speaker 1: which is already a story that's kind of mapped out
Speaker 1: for him. Is that you really get a sense of
Speaker 1: who they both are before the relationship takes them in
Speaker 1: a certain direction that's like a codependent one and ultimately
Speaker 1: a toxic one and ultimately a tragic one. And that
Speaker 1: is very similar here. But the thing that's missing from
Speaker 1: Maestro is you don't really get a sense of who
Speaker 1: she is. You don't really get a sense of like
Speaker 1: you know that she's an actress. You know that she's
Speaker 1: like maybe talented. You sort of get a sense that
Speaker 1: she's talented, but you don't really understand that being with
Speaker 1: him is a major sacrifice or it's a worthy sacrifice
Speaker 1: for her entire life, because she kind of just ends
Speaker 1: up a sad, regretful person. And in that way, it's like,
Speaker 1: it's sure it's a love story, but like what for?
Speaker 1: To what end? And I guess that's my note for
Speaker 1: this whole thing, Like to what end do we have
Speaker 1: this movie? Like is it is it a ego project?
Speaker 1: Because it feels like that, to say nothing of their performances,
Speaker 1: which I think are good and I would say even
Speaker 1: carries great, But I just don't know what what we're
Speaker 1: what we have this for?
Speaker 2: Uh huh, I'm again, I have to finish this movie,
Speaker 2: so I don't really have a great place to talk
Speaker 2: about this from. But I if we're gonna compare A
Speaker 2: Star Is Born to this, I find it really a
Speaker 2: bit of a miss that the meeting of Felicia and
Speaker 2: Leonard is sort of feels a little like cursory or something.
Speaker 2: It feels like it's just checking off some biopic box.
Speaker 2: But then, if you're gonna like make that the central
Speaker 2: thing in the whole movie. It feels kind of glossed over.
Speaker 2: Like when they first meet, it's pure If you just
Speaker 2: look at the writing of that scene when they first meet,
Speaker 2: it's like it's pure exposition. Everything out of both over
Speaker 2: the mouths is so you did this and this and
Speaker 2: this and this why yes? And you were this and
Speaker 2: this and this and this, and they're but they're like
Speaker 2: playfully laughing while drinking and then they go do this
Speaker 2: cute little thing. It doesn't have that magic of a
Speaker 2: Star is Born, where those first eighteen twenty minutes are sublime,
Speaker 2: are so good no matter what, like, no matter what
Speaker 2: you think of the rest of the film, that is
Speaker 2: a great film because of that introductory thing into their
Speaker 2: meeting or they're the first moments of their love. I
Speaker 2: just wonder what this movie would be like if it
Speaker 2: actually started at the point where it bursts into color
Speaker 2: and we actually could marinate a little bit more in
Speaker 2: the reality of what their life was, which is she
Speaker 2: was married to a gay man who did eat up
Speaker 2: all the air in the room. And that's a story
Speaker 2: we've heard kind of a lot, like the subservient, like
Speaker 2: long suffering wife, so like what is the new twist
Speaker 2: on that? Because we never see her receive the information
Speaker 2: that her husband is gay from him, we imagine that
Speaker 2: it's happened because she's aware of it, Like she doesn't
Speaker 2: freak out when she sees him making out with you know, men,
Speaker 2: like which she does, Like there's no discovery. And then
Speaker 2: I just wonder why, like if we went to the
Speaker 2: trouble to create this movie, like where is the conflict,
Speaker 2: where is the dramatic tension? It's like all happening off
Speaker 2: screen in a way that feels almost experimental and failed
Speaker 2: in an experimental sense, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like because at the end she passes away and it
Speaker 1: is sad, but you're more like lacking at the end
Speaker 1: because you feel like you didn't actually hear her story,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And so it's that thing where the new spin would
Speaker 2: have been, and like make it about her, don't make
Speaker 2: it about Leonard Bernstein. It's right because he did eat
Speaker 2: up all the year in the room in that marriage.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Shift the focus and put it on her.
Speaker 2: Then that becomes an actual compelling love story, right.
Speaker 1: And I feel like she gets like top billing in
Speaker 1: this movie, Carrie Mulligan does, and like, I think a
Speaker 1: condescending way because it's all about him basically, and then
Speaker 1: she sort of takes over the movie for like thirty
Speaker 1: five minutes towards the end when she's dealing with her
Speaker 1: cancer diagnosis and understanding that, like, you know, her life
Speaker 1: is what it is. And then I think the movie
Speaker 1: hints at this narrative, which really could have been expanded
Speaker 1: on more, that like she had been there for him
Speaker 1: his entire life, to make him maybe more palatable or
Speaker 1: maybe more his life easier in the public eye, which
Speaker 1: the movie tells you over and over again he's really
Speaker 1: struggling with like the public eye, its et cetera. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like that theme is really explored that
Speaker 1: now he's gonna be there for her and her hour
Speaker 1: of need, Like it's there, but it's not dramatic expanded
Speaker 1: on in a way. And when you combine all of
Speaker 1: this with like the nose of it all and the
Speaker 1: budget of it all and the Bradley Cooper of it all,
Speaker 1: it kind of just feels a little bit like you
Speaker 1: can see behind his eyes him knowing the whole time
Speaker 1: that he's winning an oscar for this in a way
Speaker 1: that in the sea of everything else I'm watching right now,
Speaker 1: like I don't respond to that much. It just feels
Speaker 1: like all your departments can be a ten. But if
Speaker 1: your script is a four and you have lines like
Speaker 1: oh what a pair, you know those two things don't
Speaker 1: go together. And the bizarre, stupid, heavy handed text the
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie, which is like, you know, a
Speaker 1: piece of art is supposed to provoke questions, not answers,
Speaker 1: and not everything just as it seems. It's just like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: the relationship didn't seem like it would be one that
Speaker 1: we would all want, but it worked for that. I'm
Speaker 1: ahead of this, a million years in front of it,
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 2: You have any questions after watching that movie, No, certainly,
Speaker 2: because I think I think you understand it pretty fully right.
Speaker 1: That movie is up.
Speaker 2: It's an ass And I think that's a cop up,
Speaker 2: because I think miss Fanel was saying the same thing
Speaker 2: to in interviews, where she was like, all we wanted
Speaker 2: to do was to make people think something, feel something,
Speaker 2: think about what though, but what exactly? Meanwhile, not to
Speaker 2: tie into many other things, but like your ghosts is
Speaker 2: in these interviews being like our movie isn't really about anything.
Speaker 2: It's just about exploration and discovery because that's what the
Speaker 2: character goes through. So there's no really message there, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's really refreshing to hear that we don't.
Speaker 2: There's no takeaway from this really beautiful film, and there
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be for everything necessarily for the takeaway
Speaker 2: to be whatever your takeaway is. That doesn't really ring
Speaker 2: authentic to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's another way of saying which I actually
Speaker 1: respect her for saying, which is I didn't really have
Speaker 1: anything to say, because, to be honest with you, the movie.
Speaker 2: I don't like saying. I don't think she's saying that.
Speaker 1: By the way, let's talk about Selburn. So Selburn is
Speaker 1: definitely a fucking moment right now. And here's what I
Speaker 1: loved about Saltburn. What I loved about Saltburn. It looked stunning,
Speaker 1: It was beautiful, It was gorgeous sets, the cinematography is excellent.
Speaker 1: I love the production design. I think that Emerald Fanel
Speaker 1: is really creative and has a really good taste when
Speaker 1: it comes to music in her movies. I think that
Speaker 1: she often creates moments that are certainly iconic, and I
Speaker 1: was I would say entertained the entire time, like the
Speaker 1: way I'd be entertained watching like an MTV movie or
Speaker 1: like a Netflix movie or something like that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, but when you're an Academy Award
Speaker 1: winning screenwriter and you're tackling class, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I guess I just assumed it would have more to
Speaker 1: say than it did, because it ultimately said nothing and
Speaker 1: almost makes a deliberate choice to be pulp. And I
Speaker 1: have said before, like it's okay that she is a
Speaker 1: pulpy filmmaker, Like it doesn't have to be a read
Speaker 1: on her or a drag on her. It's just that
Speaker 1: there were so many moments scripting wise where this could
Speaker 1: have been something more or something not as heavy handed.
Speaker 1: I also liked, I think half the performances in the
Speaker 1: movie are really fucking good. It's just that when the
Speaker 1: script goes to a Kouka bird place, the performances can't
Speaker 1: can't help but lean into like craziness, and then everyone
Speaker 1: looks a little silly because the script gets silly, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, and ultimately, what I really
Speaker 1: didn't like about this is, and again spoiler alert, this
Speaker 1: idea that the big reveal is he was just a
Speaker 1: psychopath and he was literally behind everything from the second
Speaker 1: and the movie started. Like if that's true, then there
Speaker 1: are so many.
Speaker 2: Whole in this plot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this reveal and a montage at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie where it was him all along. First
Speaker 1: of all, we've seen this a million fucking times, a
Speaker 1: million times and more compelling than this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think it kind of undermines the entire
Speaker 2: third act where Jacoblordi takes into his parents like that, Like, well,
Speaker 2: then he wouldn't go into the house. She just wouldn't go. Sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 2: these are big, These are big spoilers, But I think
Speaker 2: the movie is a moment and that is an accomplishment totally.
Speaker 1: Becka producer. Beckett says people are just horning TVH. I
Speaker 1: think that's a lot to do with it. And I
Speaker 1: think that also she's satisfying a lot of people with
Speaker 1: this movie. And like I said, I was entertained the
Speaker 1: entire time. It's just that, like you wish it would
Speaker 1: have meant something, you were not I was, were you bored?
Speaker 2: I was literally gonna say that I was bored, And
Speaker 2: I fast forwarded through by the time. I but by
Speaker 2: the time, so when you when you watch Vampire Kunlingus
Speaker 2: and you watch like, you know, come bath tub lapping,
Speaker 2: by the time it gets to like graveplot fucking, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I get it, let's keep it moving, right, But I
Speaker 2: think it's diminishing returns on stunts period in anything right,
Speaker 2: like we reach a critical mass and I feel like,
Speaker 2: I feel like it has all of these really weird,
Speaker 2: interesting pacing issues. I think, yeah, half the performances being
Speaker 2: great seems right to me. I could go into I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to got anyone for their performances. There
Speaker 1: are some that are really bad in this, really really bad.
Speaker 2: I will pick on one person who I have never
Speaker 2: ever ever cared for. Okay, m I think Rosamond Pike
Speaker 2: has never pulled it off ever. No, I think she has.
Speaker 2: I take it back. Jane Bennett absolutely mm hmmm, gone girl.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, you're petishizer. It should have been
Speaker 2: like a Jennifer Aniston. It should have been it should
Speaker 2: have been Reese, you know, was perfect.
Speaker 1: I think gon Girl was originally Reese Witherspoon because she
Speaker 1: and then David Senter, the director, told Reese it can't
Speaker 1: be you because people have a sense of you already.
Speaker 1: So they cast Rosamond Pike, which to me felt like
Speaker 1: a weird choice because Rosamond Pikes, I don't know anyone
Speaker 1: who looks like a killer more than from frame one
Speaker 1: in Gone Girl, like.
Speaker 2: A huge compliment, huge compliment to her. She looks like
Speaker 2: an intense, murderous woman, and I love that.
Speaker 1: I think she's really good at playing a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: And I think here's what I'll say about her in
Speaker 1: this movie. She definitely has her lines, you know, she
Speaker 1: she gives her lines. I think she's good in the
Speaker 1: scene where he is telling her that he has to
Speaker 1: fitions about their cousin or whatever, their adopted you know
Speaker 1: friend or whatever. Like, I think she's good in the movie.
Speaker 1: I don't understand Farley. I don't understand watching this movie
Speaker 1: and walking away and being like, the supporting performance from
Speaker 1: an actress in this movie that is stand out is
Speaker 1: Rosamund Pike. Alison Oliver, who plays the sister.
Speaker 2: Valencia, that she was amazing.
Speaker 1: She ACKs that up.
Speaker 2: She was I think maybe the only actor who elevated
Speaker 2: the dialogue from pulp into something filmic into something like
Speaker 2: oh wow, this is great, Like, this is really really
Speaker 2: great performance. And then that image of her at the end,
Speaker 2: I'm like, that whole character beautifully tragic. The entire arc.
Speaker 2: I'm like, and that's that's acting. That is I think
Speaker 2: she's the only m anyway, Sorry, I'm getting Here's what
Speaker 2: I'll say.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, she's the best performance in the movie.
Speaker 1: I like Barry in the movie a lot.
Speaker 2: Either.
Speaker 1: Barry Kron's performance in the movie is fucking great, and
Speaker 1: I think Jacob does what he needs to do. Again,
Speaker 1: I wish they was more about that character that made
Speaker 1: you really understand why he was the apple of his
Speaker 1: family's eye, you know what I mean. But Barry, I
Speaker 1: think is really excellent until the script forces him to
Speaker 1: play too broad because he once he starts changing his
Speaker 1: personality every second for every character he meets. You're watching it, like, oh,
Speaker 1: of course he's like evil, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's no surprise at the end of the movie that
Speaker 1: he is as diabolical and as psychotic as he seems,
Speaker 1: because they've been telegraphing it now at that point, for
Speaker 1: like over an hour, and so you completely take the
Speaker 1: wind out of the sails of like what you've got
Speaker 1: at that point, which is this you know, she's clearly
Speaker 1: inspired by talented mister Ripley here, which is this like
Speaker 1: love story that's becoming obsessive and you feel like maybe
Speaker 1: he doesn't have control over to then say, oh, just kidding.
Speaker 1: He had control over it the entire time. He's actually
Speaker 1: the smartest person in the world, Mama. If that's true,
Speaker 1: how come he didn't have a failsafe for when Ja
Speaker 1: Jacob brings him to his family's house.
Speaker 2: He didn't have a way to get in, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was wonderful.
Speaker 1: And he was at the end, like when that when
Speaker 1: that script gets crazy and he's giving that monologue to
Speaker 1: Rosamund Pike when she's intubated, It's like the only thing
Speaker 1: that's missing is a snidely whiplash mustache, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's that's all that's missing, is like him
Speaker 1: in a top hat and a cane being like It's like.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was wondering the entire time, like wait, so,
Speaker 2: like why does why does he shift completely at the
Speaker 2: midpoint personality wise? It would have been more interesting if
Speaker 2: like it wasn't a masterminded plot the whole time, because
Speaker 2: then it just then he is just kind of a
Speaker 2: dimensionless point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're watching a movie and it is very
Speaker 1: clear to you that someone is being manipulative, that is
Speaker 1: not a good performance of manipulation. You know what's a
Speaker 1: great performance of manipulation. Emma Stone in the Favorite That
Speaker 1: is a perfect performance of manipulation because you don't have
Speaker 1: a finger on her, and that's why that's a great script.
Speaker 1: But here it's just like, yeah, obviously, when a script
Speaker 1: has obvious plot holes and you can point out and
Speaker 1: be like no, then it doesn't deserve to be in
Speaker 1: a scripting conversation. By all means, nominate the movie for cinematography.
Speaker 1: By all means, in my opinion, nominate Alison Oliver. By
Speaker 1: all means. There's things that are great about this movie,
Speaker 1: but this whole thing of like the final montage being
Speaker 1: this gag, it's not watch three other movies. And I
Speaker 1: don't mean to be like a snob. I just mean
Speaker 1: to be like, you can like watching him lock up
Speaker 1: the com and fuck the grave and also be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this movie could have been better if it was about
Speaker 1: one thing and if there was like research on anachronisms
Speaker 1: like research on like ways that they could that he
Speaker 1: could have actually covered this up, like just thinking beyond
Speaker 1: the premise a little bit more and beyond the pulp
Speaker 1: a little bit more to make this something durable even.
Speaker 2: The period of it is thinly applied. And to me,
Speaker 2: it just kind of comes off as this like convenient
Speaker 2: way out of like smartphones as a plot device, like
Speaker 2: literally like as a way of like them looking up
Speaker 2: the sky. But uh again and which it's like not
Speaker 2: that the internet didn't exist in that this family would
Speaker 2: have access to like I don't know like who like
Speaker 2: regularly takes in these like interlopers. Yeah, doesn't like have
Speaker 2: a way of anyway. My thing is, please someone talk
Speaker 2: me off the sledge because it's actually driven me to
Speaker 2: the brink of insanity.
Speaker 1: I think I know where you're gonna go.
Speaker 2: I looked it up schools in the UK. Yeah, go
Speaker 2: buy just like in America, Class of graduating year, this
Speaker 2: movie is supposed to take place in the summer I
Speaker 2: guess of two thousand and seven. And then you see
Speaker 2: the banner behind Barry Kyogins first scene welcome Class of
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, which, to me, to an unsuspecting
Speaker 2: audience makes them until it gets to like these obvious
Speaker 2: like chronological markers later on. It makes me think that
Speaker 2: this movie takes place in two thousand and two. It
Speaker 2: starts off in the fall of two thousand and two,
Speaker 2: and then it ends in the rest of It takes
Speaker 2: place in Saltburn the summer of two thousand and three.
Speaker 2: I'm immediately lurched into two thousand and seven because of
Speaker 2: the super Bad on VHS, which hadn't come out on
Speaker 2: VHS by that point. And then Emerald Fanella has an
Speaker 2: interview has been like, no, it's okay, Like the dad's rich,
Speaker 2: so he must be connected enough to receive like a screener.
Speaker 1: Wait does she say that?
Speaker 2: She literally said that, you're kidding. I'm not.
Speaker 1: She said to dad was rich enough to get us
Speaker 1: where where I have to know where.
Speaker 2: She said that, I think it's on like her Vanity
Speaker 2: Fair thing. I have to throw my head back in
Speaker 2: cackle and break off my damn vertebra because of how
Speaker 2: funny that is.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and it's like.
Speaker 2: Fucking them screaming mister Bright's side, which is like okay,
Speaker 2: but at that point it was already like a four
Speaker 2: year old song, so to be fair.
Speaker 1: We would scream mister bright'side too if it came on
Speaker 1: karaoke and.
Speaker 2: The summer of two thousand and seven, or because I
Speaker 2: think mister Bright's side, I'm gonna say that song had
Speaker 2: reached like a little bit of a valley a fallo
Speaker 2: period before it resurged into.
Speaker 1: As a classic like it does now in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. It's very clearly an anachronism.
Speaker 2: Not an anachronism, but like a chronological marker for us
Speaker 2: as an audience in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Then the MacBook on Jacob Elordie's desk is I think
Speaker 2: I'm I'm about eighty percent sure, like a two nine
Speaker 2: ten model. So these departments can be at a ten sure,
Speaker 2: like like with Bradley, But the departments are hampered by
Speaker 2: their direction. And if the director doesn't really give a
Speaker 2: shit about these details, even though she is this like
Speaker 2: aesthetically bold big swing director, I'm like, well, then what's
Speaker 2: the point then? Like are you even good at that
Speaker 2: part in which you profess to be good?
Speaker 1: You know what? Some British people have defended a lot
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they say that it is from the Brits
Speaker 2: and you realize.
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I sort of am seeing this British
Speaker 1: guy right of him fucking loves Saltburn. He loves sultburn.
Speaker 1: He's a super well read guy. He's like, what, has
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of interesting things to say about class?
Speaker 1: And I was like, does it. I'm like, if it does,
Speaker 1: what exactly is it saying?
Speaker 2: Because go see Parasite. Go watch Parasite.
Speaker 1: I just feel like when it's revealed that he's actually
Speaker 1: from like at least middle class upbringing, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: that scene drove me nuts because while Barry's parents are
Speaker 1: talking to Jacob, Barry sitting there rocking back and forth
Speaker 1: in his seat like a psycho, and I'm like, is
Speaker 1: no one gonna ask him? What the fuck is up?
Speaker 1: Like this is the weirdest movie ever. Like his parents
Speaker 1: are just like, oh, you're back, yay, we didn't know
Speaker 1: where you were. Sit here while we talk to your
Speaker 1: new friend and you rock back and forth like a
Speaker 1: mental patient. I'm like, I'm sorry, what is going on here?
Speaker 1: What reality are we in? And again I'm watching it
Speaker 1: with a smile on my face because I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: but don't talk to me about this script. Don't talk
Speaker 1: to me about the script. I'm sorry. You know what
Speaker 1: it's when I say too many cooks, not enough cooks.
Speaker 2: Oh, British people sound smart, and so this guy that
Speaker 2: you're seeing, I'm sure he's very intelligent. I'm sure he's
Speaker 2: league smarter than me. I don't know about that. I
Speaker 2: don't know about whatever the class commentary is here. I
Speaker 2: think the idea of like watch Out for the middle
Speaker 2: class people interloping in like upper class story, I think
Speaker 2: somewhat interesting. It's been done before, but I'd love to
Speaker 2: see more of it. I don't know that it's presented
Speaker 2: in this compelling package that people seem to think that
Speaker 2: this movie is.
Speaker 1: I just don't think she is creating the best versions
Speaker 1: of these things.
Speaker 2: I wish her the best. I'm very excited to see
Speaker 2: what she does.
Speaker 1: I am a fan. And here's the thing, Like, I
Speaker 1: think it was Beyonce who said, you know you that
Speaker 1: bitch when you cause all this conversation. You know who
Speaker 1: has an oscar her? You know who doesn't me? And
Speaker 1: that's fine. It's just like I feel a little perplexed
Speaker 1: about praise when it comes to screenwriting, when they have
Speaker 1: such obvious holes and this is not the first time.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I completely get. And when she
Speaker 1: won the Oscar for a promising young woman, I didn't agree,
Speaker 1: but I applauded because what she had done, what she
Speaker 1: had created, had had an impact and it spoke to
Speaker 1: a lot of people to what end is this movie?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Where is that? And it's okay that it's just pulp,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's fine. You know how
Speaker 1: many male directors are out there fucking pulp way worse
Speaker 1: than this. Yeah, all these opportunities. It's really fun to watch.
Speaker 1: I think I had maybe a lot more fun watching
Speaker 1: it than you seem too, because I didn't fast forward
Speaker 1: a second of this. I watched it with my mouth
Speaker 1: open laughing. But then at the end when he rips
Speaker 1: that intubator out of her goddamn mouth and it is
Speaker 1: like ha ha ha ha ha and dances to murder
Speaker 1: on the dance floor, which yeah, I've hit fifteen times
Speaker 1: on my Spotify since watching it. I had to say,
Speaker 1: this movie had nothing. It had everything and nothing. It
Speaker 1: was great downs, beautiful gowns.
Speaker 2: Wow, thank you for that.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, we're not even being cunted, because
Speaker 1: I loved almost everything else I saw.
Speaker 2: We're not being cunsed, but we're getting we're getting the
Speaker 2: continous out of the way. First again, we're going to
Speaker 2: let's not spoil too much of the other films. Of
Speaker 2: the other films, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: I feel like those haven't been like cultural conversations in
Speaker 1: the way this one has. Let's start with all of us, strangers.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts.
Speaker 2: I really really enjoyed it, loved I think I got
Speaker 2: lost in the sauce a little bit after the midpoint,
Speaker 2: after a moment where he and Paul Mescal's character go
Speaker 2: out and they went to They did go to Royal
Speaker 2: Vauughell Tavern, which we've been to, which is where took
Speaker 2: Princess Diana. Yes, we've been to that bar multiple times,
Speaker 2: and so that's where they go out in that scene,
Speaker 2: and then from there it kind of starts to unravel
Speaker 2: in this really beautiful way, and the ending snatched me.
Speaker 2: Bald Well.
Speaker 1: First of all, I just want to say this is
Speaker 1: by Andrew High, who, Yeah, one of my favorite movies
Speaker 1: this weekend, and I'll never forget, and I actually was.
Speaker 1: I was a looking fan this first seas of looking.
Speaker 1: I thought got really good by the end. And I
Speaker 1: always love Andrew High's work, and I was really excited
Speaker 1: about this because I'm a really big fan of the
Speaker 1: entire cast. Yes, and this did not disappoint. I think
Speaker 1: Andrew Scott is so fucking good in this. There's a
Speaker 1: moment he has a scene with Jamie Bell, who also
Speaker 1: is not getting talked about.
Speaker 2: I know the exact moment you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Suffice it to say, there's a scene between Jamie Bell
Speaker 1: and Andrew Scott. I won't say what the relationship is
Speaker 1: because you should see it. But there's a moment where
Speaker 1: Andrew Scott has like sort of an emotional break.
Speaker 2: That comes out. It was only nowhere.
Speaker 1: There's only been one other moment this year or maybe
Speaker 1: two in film that I've like. Out of Nowhere just
Speaker 1: had like an emotional reaction to it. And he's just
Speaker 1: so gifted. Yea, Andrew is amazing, and I cross my
Speaker 1: fingers that he gets nominated for an Oscar for this
Speaker 1: because his sense of emotional discovery is so on point,
Speaker 1: Like he's just so fresh, She's so easy to watch,
Speaker 1: she's so likable, and he feels like broken yet open
Speaker 1: in this way that is so good. He's got unbelievable
Speaker 1: chemistry with Paul mescal who is such a fucking superstar,
Speaker 1: Like I would nominate him for an Oscar for this
Speaker 1: as well as well as Clairefoy Claire boy in this
Speaker 1: movie is it's just so great And I would describe
Speaker 1: the movie with the exact words that are like the
Speaker 1: poll quotes from reviews on the poster. It is haunting
Speaker 1: and heartbreaking. And I don't know if I like it
Speaker 1: as much as Weekend because Weekend holds like a very
Speaker 1: special place in my heart, I think from seeing it
Speaker 1: ears prior to this and just it's in like the
Speaker 1: fabric of my life. But this movie was like really
Speaker 1: unforgettable and like very surreal and makes a lot of
Speaker 1: interesting choices that make you think in ways that I
Speaker 1: think the movies we've talked about thus far are like playing.
Speaker 2: At Yes, they are playing at that, and I think
Speaker 2: this is something that pulls it off much more elegantly
Speaker 2: and does the thing of like bringing back an old
Speaker 2: song and the power of love.
Speaker 1: I mean, always on my mind was what I was,
Speaker 1: what I was living for, Like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just like he's got such a great language as a filmmaker,
Speaker 1: and he's got such a strong aesthetic, and it is
Speaker 1: here despite the fact that ultimately this is a different
Speaker 1: genre than he's like ever done.
Speaker 2: I think this is a very big departure for him,
Speaker 2: and I thought it was so amazing when I realized
Speaker 2: what like. I went in pretty agnostic, and then when
Speaker 2: I discovered what was happening, I was very captivated. And
Speaker 2: I think that is a very important part of that
Speaker 2: viewing experience for an audience member who maybe doesn't know
Speaker 2: that going in.
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about this movie. I really loved it,
Speaker 1: and it's worth seeing for the acting, and it's worth
Speaker 1: seeing for the really, really, really I think compelling emotional
Speaker 1: story that it tells, and talk about a latent film
Speaker 1: reveal that like actually hits. Yeah, it's this, I mean,
Speaker 1: like it's it's just great. And I had a sense
Speaker 1: of it as it was going, but I didn't see
Speaker 1: it playing out that way.
Speaker 2: So this was a great one. This was a great one.
Speaker 2: Another trend notice saying between Murder and the dance Floor
Speaker 2: and like faking goes to Hollywood and all of us strangers,
Speaker 2: Indigo girls and Barbie fucking I don't know, like labby
Speaker 2: Sa Frey and the holdovers like P I M P.
Speaker 2: And Anatomy of a Fault a lot of like old
Speaker 2: old songs kind of like create being very important features
Speaker 2: in these movies and like them being all back in
Speaker 2: the conversation in some fun way. That's another like trend
Speaker 2: in this in this year, I think for movies where
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's fun, like make the song a thing,
Speaker 2: a choice.
Speaker 1: I mean, hearing fifty cent pimp jump out like seconds
Speaker 1: into Anatomy of a Fall was like not what I
Speaker 1: was expecting you at all. And then at some point
Speaker 1: like they make the point of like saying it was
Speaker 1: an instrumental version, and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: It so funny. And if you put on the subtitles,
Speaker 2: like like I'm a subtitle girl, you put it on
Speaker 2: it when it plays in the beginning, it's like P
Speaker 2: I M P. By not by fifty cent, but by
Speaker 2: like the instrumentalists, And I was like, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Was that so I did fifty cent sample this thing originally?
Speaker 2: But then like I think, it all kind of moved
Speaker 2: back around in this perfect the.
Speaker 1: Original artist was called the instrumentalist.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, was like on the subtitles
Speaker 2: it said p I M P by like the names
Speaker 2: of the people who are playing the instruments is what
Speaker 2: it was said.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh and it says instrumentalists. Oh so yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: see gave it away. God, I gotta got it.
Speaker 2: Well, the CC like gave it away and said but
Speaker 2: still the title of the song was still p Imp
Speaker 2: even though fifty cents name didn't show up, and I
Speaker 2: went right, oh, I guess if he sent sampled this
Speaker 2: song also called Pimp by the people who like and
Speaker 2: maybe that's true. Anyway, this is all this.
Speaker 1: Should we talk about Anatomy of the Fall because I'm
Speaker 1: also fresh from watching it. Yeah, so Anatomy of a Fall,
Speaker 1: just to just to refresh everyone if you don't know.
Speaker 1: Anatomy of a Fall is a courtroom drama starring Sandra
Speaker 1: Huler and she's getting a lot of Best actress buzz
Speaker 1: for this, and essentially it's like a courtroom drama slash
Speaker 1: thriller slash drama like straight up drama, which is about
Speaker 1: a woman who discovers her husband has fallen from the
Speaker 1: attic of their ski, their chalet, and then she's put
Speaker 1: on trial for the murder because there's no explanation for
Speaker 1: why he would fall. It was she. She is the
Speaker 1: prime suspect. She's in the house. You find out there
Speaker 1: is like something bubbling in the house. There's domestic drama,
Speaker 1: There's there's stuff bubbling there, and it's just this sort
Speaker 1: of it's essentially a courtroom drama, and it's really well
Speaker 1: done and it's pretty and it starts with an instrumental
Speaker 1: version of Pimp.
Speaker 2: I Want to Find the George Severis's Letterbox review.
Speaker 1: Of Anatomy of All was he county about this?
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't, but his review was very funny because
Speaker 2: he said, so a woman kills her husband and now
Speaker 2: she has to prove her queerness and court it's like
Speaker 2: something along those lines. There's a queer element to it,
Speaker 2: there is. This was great. I really enjoyed this. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's not my favorite of the year, I don't think,
Speaker 2: but I'm glad like it landed on people's radars. On
Speaker 2: my radar, I really enjoyed watching it. Won the palmdor
Speaker 2: can I think Justine Trier, the writer director also won.
Speaker 2: She won the Palmd door But Sandra Ruler, great performance.
Speaker 2: There's really wonderful and from.
Speaker 1: The kid betrays nothing And it's a very specific performance
Speaker 1: of greed because it's not like you really don't. No,
Speaker 1: you don't know the entire time she's done this, and
Speaker 1: you kind of really don't at the end.
Speaker 2: I agree you don't. At the end, I was kind
Speaker 2: of like, Eh, sure, whatever this I'm watching, and then
Speaker 2: something kind of hits you in the last forty minutes
Speaker 2: of the film where I think, oh, this movie, like
Speaker 2: hold has something to say about the truth and about
Speaker 2: like the way things are mediated or adeducated in this environment.
Speaker 2: But like, if you don't know how it's I won't
Speaker 2: spoil I think this is a spoiler because it kind
Speaker 2: of like really hit me. But it's basically along the
Speaker 2: lines of like, if you're not sure how something happened,
Speaker 2: what do you do? And there are human instincts to
Speaker 2: filling in that gap of information, And that's kind of
Speaker 2: what the whole movie is about. That's kind of what
Speaker 2: that courtroom setting is about, which I thought was very fun,
Speaker 2: Like French court seems really interesting to me. They were
Speaker 2: nice costumes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really it was very compelling how it
Speaker 1: plays out. Yeah, I didn't realize like, so basically, if
Speaker 1: you before you watch this movie. It's not a typical
Speaker 1: courtroom drama in that like it's you know, the way
Speaker 1: that we see them play out. It's like this French
Speaker 1: court where I guess the defendant can be questioned at
Speaker 1: any time.
Speaker 2: At any time, and the judges can be sassy sassy,
Speaker 2: and but I think this is like maybe in general,
Speaker 2: what a European court looks like, because if you play
Speaker 2: there's a game called Phoenix Right Ace Attorney, and it's
Speaker 2: Japanese and it's modeled after European courts. Were like they
Speaker 2: can just scream at the defendant at any point, and
Speaker 2: in the game, like the defendant is always catching fucking
Speaker 2: like shouts and stuff. And I'm like, oh yeah, like
Speaker 2: this is how court rooms work in other environments.
Speaker 1: You could never get away with what the prosecution attorney
Speaker 1: gets away with, Like he is such a dick in
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 2: I hated him.
Speaker 1: He's he was such an asshole.
Speaker 2: He was a little bitch.
Speaker 1: But you buy every every minute of this movie as
Speaker 1: being like real, like it's such a grounded film, Like
Speaker 1: it's so it's just really really well done, and mm hmm,
Speaker 1: I think that you're onto something there about proving object
Speaker 1: needing to prove objectivity or needing to like have objectivity
Speaker 1: where there's none, like yeah, and it's almost like you
Speaker 1: find yourself asking, like, so, what is the best thing
Speaker 1: to do here at the end, even if she did
Speaker 1: kill this guy?
Speaker 2: You know, right, there's the character dynamics. The way that
Speaker 2: that sort of thing plays out between the characters is unexpected.
Speaker 2: And the character who tells another character what I think
Speaker 2: the movie is trying to say, does it in this
Speaker 2: very interesting way where I'm just going to say, Like,
Speaker 2: it's basically along the lines of like, if you don't
Speaker 2: know how something happened, then you have to decide. Yeah,
Speaker 2: then you have to just decide. And then the other
Speaker 2: person goes, does that mean you have to believe it?
Speaker 2: And then the person goes, no, you just have to decide.
Speaker 2: It's a different thing. You don't have to believe that,
Speaker 2: you just have to decide. And it really I've never
Speaker 2: considered it that way. I've never seen that be so
Speaker 2: elegantly stated in a courtroom drama like this, or in
Speaker 2: any sort of like a legal sort of storytelling package.
Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: The movie has more than one great performance too. The
Speaker 1: sun is great. I'm gonna be.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. He's red Rum. He's from the Shining
Speaker 2: too that they have the same as.
Speaker 1: He has a genius haircut. He has one coat where
Speaker 1: he wears like like a red and blue coat, and
Speaker 1: he's like walking with the dog and he's it's just really,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's that dog. I actually had a
Speaker 1: fast forward past the dog scene because I was just like,
Speaker 1: this isn't for me, and I understand what it is,
Speaker 1: but I.
Speaker 2: Can't watch that dog is star, beautiful star.
Speaker 1: I was like, how did they get the dog to
Speaker 1: do this?
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, someone else in the butterbox I think
Speaker 2: I think it was fran I think it was fran Hepner.
Speaker 2: It was someone else who was just like Jeppellier ASPC.
Speaker 1: It's honestly, I do have questions about how they got
Speaker 1: the die to do that, what it experiences. Y'all will
Speaker 1: see it and then we can talk. But anyway, not
Speaker 1: to say that.
Speaker 2: It's not to say that there are ways to train
Speaker 2: a smart dog like that to like act like it's suffering.
Speaker 2: Don't pass the smell test to me though, girl. Anyway,
Speaker 2: a dog is in pain, Well that's all we'll say, speaking.
Speaker 1: Of pain, should we discuss Poor Things?
Speaker 2: Yes? I loved Poor Things, adored it.
Speaker 1: I thought Poor Things again, Like, it's got excellent performances.
Speaker 1: It is maybe the most your ghost movie yet. It's
Speaker 1: almost like he's earned the right to be as fucking
Speaker 1: crazy as he wants to now and make all the
Speaker 1: choices that he want, and it feels like his intuition
Speaker 1: is just dead on artistically, Like it all just feels
Speaker 1: really fresh, new and interesting, not for the sake of
Speaker 1: being fresh, new and interesting, but with purpose. And I
Speaker 1: think that's something that's different about this movie than other
Speaker 1: ones we've discussed as well. Emma Stone is so great
Speaker 1: in this and it must have been really fun to perform.
Speaker 1: So she basically plays a woman who has committed suicide
Speaker 1: and she's brought basically back to life by Willem Dafoe,
Speaker 1: who is like this sort of like Victor Frankenstein type character.
Speaker 1: He's got like a house that's like almost a zoo
Speaker 1: with like different animals heads on other animals bodies. Like
Speaker 1: he's able to take Emma Stone's unborn child's brain and
Speaker 1: put it in her own body, and so she wakes
Speaker 1: and essentially she has a baby brain in an adult
Speaker 1: woman's body, and then she matures very quickly to the
Speaker 1: point where suddenly she's this like baby woman who has
Speaker 1: a sexual awakening because she's in an adult body very quickly,
Speaker 1: and very quickly starts to make headway in terms of
Speaker 1: her intelligence. She starts to question the realities of the world.
Speaker 1: She questions so much, and it really asked the question, like,
Speaker 1: if someone were to just come to this earth and
Speaker 1: immediately mature and be able to look at everything objectively
Speaker 1: and discover what our world really truly is, what would
Speaker 1: those questions be And are those questions really worth asking?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 1: Talk about a thought provoking movie. It's talks about, you know,
Speaker 1: the reality of misogyny in our world, the reality of
Speaker 1: the way that sex work is talked about in our world,
Speaker 1: the reality of human tragedy in this world in the
Speaker 1: way that we're asked to be okay with it, the
Speaker 1: reality of abuse, you know that the structures of power
Speaker 1: in this world. Like and it's all done playfully and
Speaker 1: in a really interesting fresh way and has amazing performances
Speaker 1: across the board. This had to be so much dare
Speaker 1: I say fun for Emma to do because it was
Speaker 1: giving ETW the best way. It was giving experimental theater
Speaker 1: pheromenal theater in a really refined way. I really liked this.
Speaker 2: I think this is a really good, good team of people,
Speaker 2: which is Emma Jorgos and Tony McNamara who also did
Speaker 2: co wrote The Favorite and co wrote Cruella Ah with
Speaker 2: Data Fox. So I think like there's a lot of
Speaker 2: trust among these people. I mean, I think you want
Speaker 2: to talk about writing, I feel like the way you
Speaker 2: write Bella Baxter developmentally throughout the arc of her character,
Speaker 2: and like just as she like matures into like language
Speaker 2: is so difficult, must have been so difficult. And it
Speaker 2: is based on a play, so there is like some
Speaker 2: source text a little bit. But I took half an
Speaker 2: edible and I was living. I was having a blast
Speaker 2: at this movie, and just my prevailing thought was like,
Speaker 2: how do you possibly I mean, the performance aside, how
Speaker 2: do you possibly convey all of these things that this
Speaker 2: person is discovering for themselves in the language of like
Speaker 2: how she like what she picks up, when she picks
Speaker 2: it up, when she like By the end, she's a
Speaker 2: fully articulate person. And it's incredible if you think about it,
Speaker 2: like at the beginning of this movie, she was just
Speaker 2: claying on the piano and like waddling around with like
Speaker 2: the little duck Dog, and I'm just like, this is incredible.
Speaker 2: And the way the sets of the production design is incredible.
Speaker 2: Led screens almost I think every outdoor scene was on
Speaker 2: a sound stage D screen. So on the boat, those clouds,
Speaker 2: those pink purple clouds, huge screen, right, minimal v effects
Speaker 2: every like yours. Is like, I'm making this as practical
Speaker 2: as I can, very few VFX. The fish eye lends
Speaker 2: coming back from the favorite I love, just like it
Speaker 2: kind of coinciding perfectly with like when the world opens
Speaker 2: up another layer for her, for for Bella, Ruffalo, great Brady,
Speaker 2: like Rommy Yousef and this, And I will say.
Speaker 1: What I feel is that Ruffalo is definitely one of
Speaker 1: our best and Emma Stone is one of our best,
Speaker 1: and you can tell they're having so much fun together
Speaker 1: even when it gets like gnarly. I think that just
Speaker 1: to talk about the script again, what's so great about
Speaker 1: it is that it asks she in her discovery, asks
Speaker 1: extremely base but also intelligent questions, and that is something
Speaker 1: where he had to really think, like, Okay, I am
Speaker 1: just now discovering the concept of prostitution, she as a
Speaker 1: character asks, well, shouldn't we be picking who we sleep with?
Speaker 1: Because it's gonna be better if we enjoy it, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, wouldn't that be if
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay for this, you want me to want
Speaker 1: to fuck you? Right, because that would be better for everyone?
Speaker 1: Like why do they come in here? And why are
Speaker 1: we standing in the line, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: And it's just interesting because it's like, oh, of course
Speaker 1: someone who just walks into that situation is gonna think
Speaker 1: about it like that, and because she's not cultured to
Speaker 1: live in a world where, of course the men decide
Speaker 1: they're the men, right, Even the question she asks, Oh,
Speaker 1: that actor who played the madam was excellent. Yeah, her
Speaker 1: name is Catherine Yes, yes, it starts with an age.
Speaker 1: She was also in the Macbeth movie and she played
Speaker 1: the witches, and she's like the cream of the.
Speaker 2: Crop, Catherine Hunter. Catherine Hunter. Yes, yes, she's a man.
Speaker 2: She was excellent. But even that first moment where Bella
Speaker 2: discovers what sex work is and it's just like understands that, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you get paid to do this, She's like I get
Speaker 2: paid to do the thing that I love to do. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course let's do it. Like that is a perfect
Speaker 2: starting point for that character. And then as she discovers
Speaker 2: all of these weird yeah customs within it, like that's
Speaker 2: when it's fun and interesting. But I really, really really
Speaker 2: loved it so much. I was with it the whole time.
Speaker 2: I was like, more and more and more. I was
Speaker 2: sad that it ended, but ultimately so it just feels
Speaker 2: like it ends on such a lovely, light, triumphant note
Speaker 2: that I really liked. I really I'm like rooting for
Speaker 2: it all the way.
Speaker 1: I was uncomfortable the entire time because this movie is
Speaker 1: a little bit more grotesque than I like to watch.
Speaker 1: Like I think whenever, whenever the tone of a movie
Speaker 1: is anyone could vomit at anytime. I'm not having fun,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And like, by the way,
Speaker 1: so much vomit in movies to ski there more? Is
Speaker 1: there more vomit in film this year than ever? What
Speaker 1: have we tracked so far?
Speaker 2: Vomit? Old songs, black and white or like or like
Speaker 2: fake conteina on things come sure.
Speaker 1: There's come every there's Oh when Paul Maskal looks to
Speaker 1: come off Andrew Scott's chest and all of us strangers.
Speaker 1: I said, important, Paul Mescal, you will always be well.
Speaker 1: I ultimately, ultimately what I have not stopped thinking about.
Speaker 1: I think Matt Worker was telling me it was I
Speaker 1: think it was like some writer was saying that this
Speaker 1: was the year of the Doll, Barbie, poor things. Just
Speaker 1: literally like just like Megan Megan, where it's like Doll
Speaker 1: goes out into the real world like Little Mermaid, like
Speaker 1: a lot of that and interesting, interesting thing to think
Speaker 1: about Taylor, even on some level where it's like you
Speaker 1: put different costumes on her for her eras Barbie walking
Speaker 1: around in real life. Yes, let's discuss I'm American fiction.
Speaker 2: Yes, love it. Yeah, you go first, really really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Wright is a deeply, deeply important actor. I think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's the best. Remember we interviewed him at Wultterfest Ones.
Speaker 1: I had forgotten this and I was watching it and
Speaker 1: I was like, have I met him? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I think the answer is yes.
Speaker 2: He was great vibes. He was very cool to talk to.
Speaker 2: I remember he liked us, not for nothing, but he
Speaker 2: was excellent in this cour Jefferson. What a great debut,
Speaker 2: What a talented writer, what an excellent mind. I really
Speaker 2: liked how this was about a communal cultural trauma that
Speaker 2: this character was gauging his distance with, but while also
Speaker 2: dealing with his own personal trauma, like fucked up things
Speaker 2: happening in his own life. I really thought it was
Speaker 2: interesting that it was a movie about palatability that ultimately,
Speaker 2: I think, and this is not a knock on, the
Speaker 2: movie was in a very palatable package that it was
Speaker 2: like a lovely indie from like Yester Year in a
Speaker 2: way that was like really nice to watch. So those
Speaker 2: are my general thoughts.
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the most original scripts
Speaker 1: I've seen in a really long time. And just this
Speaker 1: is where a writer director has complete control over what
Speaker 1: he wants to say and what he wants to say
Speaker 1: is really new and I what so American fiction is about.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Wright plays a man who is a successful novelist,
Speaker 1: but he's having trouble at this stage in his career
Speaker 1: because he can't sell a book because it seems like
Speaker 1: the market wants something he's uncomfortable giving. So he's a
Speaker 1: black man and basically a character played by Esa Ray
Speaker 1: is having a lot of.
Speaker 2: Was making me laugh.
Speaker 1: Greats is great in it, and I'll tell you who
Speaker 1: else is great in this is Tracy Elis Ross. Tracy
Speaker 1: Elis Ross was awesome in this and there's a twist
Speaker 1: with her character that took the wind out of myself too.
Speaker 1: But basically, to speak this movie what it's about, it's
Speaker 1: like he's playing a guy who doesn't want to sell
Speaker 1: out and do a book that's about like racial stereotypes
Speaker 1: like Isa. Ray plays a young novelist who's having a
Speaker 1: huge success with a book that reinforces a lot of
Speaker 1: harmful stereotypes about black people and he hates it. He
Speaker 1: turns his nose up at it and he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna do that. So in his personal life this
Speaker 1: is tough because he really needs to sell a book.
Speaker 1: He is going through a lot of personal struggles. His mom,
Speaker 1: who's played by this shook me. Fucking Leslie Ugghams. It
Speaker 1: was unbelievable, Like I couldn't believe like that was I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen her in years icon legend and his mother
Speaker 1: is vastly deteriorating into Alzheimer's. There's money problems, etc. Like
Speaker 1: he needs money bags so as a joke or as
Speaker 1: like a bit, and when he's drunk one night, he
Speaker 1: pumps out this novel that is like the most base,
Speaker 1: like really like reduction movie where there's like a lot
Speaker 1: of gang violence, et cetera. And then lo and behold,
Speaker 1: the market goes crazy for it and it becomes like
Speaker 1: this huge success and he has to deal with the
Speaker 1: fact that now this thing he hates is this thing
Speaker 1: that's actually coming to fruition in real time. Like he's like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm actually being the harmful thing I hated, and now
Speaker 1: I can't sit with myself and his life sort of
Speaker 1: like falls apart. But what I loved about this the
Speaker 1: most is that it is this you know, meditation on
Speaker 1: how as a creator you can stand by your work
Speaker 1: and yet also participate and thrive in a commercial market
Speaker 1: that feels like it's for dumber and dumber and dumber people. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, And in the meditation
Speaker 1: on that, you get to the end of this movie
Speaker 1: and the story is told. But what cour Jefferson has
Speaker 1: been able to do is also tell this story, this
Speaker 1: very human, relatable story about this man that ventally is
Speaker 1: a new installment in I guess you could say American fiction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, while we're having the conversation about what it means
Speaker 1: to participate commercially while also being able to stomach yourself artistically,
Speaker 1: we've also been almost in the b story actually told
Speaker 1: this new story that like proves you can do both
Speaker 1: and proves you can do what you want to do. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, this was doing a lot of things all
Speaker 1: at once. I loved it. I loved the performances. Sterling K.
Speaker 1: Brown plays gay and I loved it. He's hot as shit.
Speaker 1: And if there's little clibbles I have with the movie,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little uneven in terms of that plot line, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: I didn't care.
Speaker 2: That is my main complaint is that that character was.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure what the he's there tell Monk the
Speaker 2: main character something at the end. But otherwise, like a
Speaker 2: lot of the character details, I was like, what is this?
Speaker 2: Where does this go? And maybe it doesn't go anywhere,
Speaker 2: And that's fine. Eric Alexandrew plays the love interest excellent
Speaker 2: as well, very good.
Speaker 1: She's great. I think that there's something in this movie.
Speaker 1: And I asked the question about accepting yourself versus the world
Speaker 1: accepting you, you know what I mean, and how those
Speaker 1: two different things, and really ultimately all that matters is
Speaker 1: that you accept yourself and that you can be good
Speaker 1: with yourself. There's something in the narrative about like because
Speaker 1: Sterling K. Brown's character is gay, and you get the
Speaker 1: sense that his parents did not accept him.
Speaker 2: And then he's got he's got like a.
Speaker 1: Crazy like block because of that, Like he's got drug problems,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But there's there's so many layers in this
Speaker 1: movie that I can't say enough about it. And I
Speaker 1: hope it gets nominated for an Oscar for the script
Speaker 1: because it told a really funny original story. I laughed
Speaker 1: a lot, and by the end it ends in a
Speaker 1: really surprising way, and I was just like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: the character like did something I didn't expect. Lots of
Speaker 1: weird narrative choices here, lots of things I hadn't seen before.
Speaker 1: And I appreciated the Swings.
Speaker 2: Great ending. Great ending just in terms of the Swayings
Speaker 2: as if we're gonna talk about the Swings does some
Speaker 2: really cool stuff. Yeah, great job everybody. Once again I
Speaker 2: say great job everybody.
Speaker 1: A great job everybody. And we both loved The Holdovers.
Speaker 2: I loved it so much. Oh my god, I haven't
Speaker 2: heard you talk about it. Yeah, I haven't talked to
Speaker 2: you since you saw it.
Speaker 1: The Holdovers is just a classic great story. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like sometimes, here's the thing. These
Speaker 1: movies don't have to reinvent the wheel or pretend they're
Speaker 1: reinventing the wheel. Just tell a great story. And Alexander
Speaker 1: Payne is one of our great storytellers. And he has
Speaker 1: got such a handle on his tone, in his language.
Speaker 1: This is just a filmmaker that knows himself so well.
Speaker 1: So The Holdovers stars Paul Giamatti, who's I think him,
Speaker 1: and Andrew Scott. It's between them for me, for the
Speaker 1: Oscar for me. But basically, Paul Giamatto plays a very
Speaker 1: strict traditional teacher at this all boys school.
Speaker 2: It's like an all boys prep school. I guess boarding school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, boarding school. And basically he has to stay
Speaker 1: behind over Christmas break and stay with some students that
Speaker 1: also need to stay for Christmas break while all the
Speaker 1: other students go home with their families. So he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a family. He's like sort of a curmudgeon and
Speaker 1: he stays behind with a select few students, and also
Speaker 1: the head cook who's played by Divine Joy Randolph, and
Speaker 1: she plays Mary who's recently lost her son in Vietnam.
Speaker 1: So it's really ultimately the story of Paul Giamatti, Divine
Speaker 1: Joy Randolph and the one kid that gets left behind
Speaker 1: solely at the school, who's a newcomer named Dominic SSSA
Speaker 1: who's great yo, and about their bond and the way
Speaker 1: that they all change for the better as a result
Speaker 1: of spending that winter break together. Just a really emotional
Speaker 1: implicated in terms of character dynamics, but not complicated in
Speaker 1: terms of plot or like any storytelling thing, Just like
Speaker 1: a really good story that makes you feel really good
Speaker 1: at the end because you get the sense that you've
Speaker 1: watched an important installment in these people's lives all and
Speaker 1: it's just really great and leaves you with a good feeling.
Speaker 1: And it's honestly like as in terms of holiday movies, like.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, all, hold up, the new Christmas
Speaker 2: classics are have you heard of Christmas? And they'll holdovers period.
Speaker 2: I am pressing play on these things every year. I
Speaker 2: loved you so much, of course, sister, my favorite Alexander
Speaker 2: Painson selection. I think I like this better than Sideways.
Speaker 2: I didn't think I would say that I love Sideways,
Speaker 2: and I kind of think I can't be the only
Speaker 2: person who's pointed out how ironic it is that it's
Speaker 2: the opposite of election, right, like teacher, instead of antagonizing
Speaker 2: a student, like really grows to nurture and love and
Speaker 2: make a huge sacrifice for a student. I just really
Speaker 2: thinking about it now, and I'm getting an emotional just
Speaker 2: Davine Joy Randolph. I think she is probably front runner
Speaker 2: for Best Supporting.
Speaker 1: Oh, she's absolutely the front runner. Well she's she's not
Speaker 1: lost a single award, so freak and mind you. So
Speaker 1: one thing is we're recording this.
Speaker 2: We're recording this before the Golden Globes, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Prior to the Golden Globe. So you won't get any
Speaker 1: Golden Globe reaction in this episode, as you probably can tell,
Speaker 1: because we would probably would have mentioned it by now.
Speaker 1: But if Divine Joy Randolph loses the Golden Globe tonight,
Speaker 1: that would be a huge nub because she's won everything.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I understand completely why it's a
Speaker 1: total clean sweep, because I think supporting actress is really good.
Speaker 1: This year. I think supporting actress, actress and supporting actor
Speaker 1: are all really strong. An actor is incredibly weak, but
Speaker 1: there's a couple of great performances. For me, Divine is amazing.
Speaker 1: I just wish that there could have been maybe one
Speaker 1: more scene or one more thing with her character, just
Speaker 1: to give her like a little bit of a or
Speaker 1: a glimpse inside, because she's this incredibly real person who's
Speaker 1: like really solid in the movie. It's just I'm not
Speaker 1: understanding why it's been a complete knockdown drag out, because
Speaker 1: there are amazing performances this year in supporting actress.
Speaker 2: I'll touch on the color purple in a second.
Speaker 1: Oh, Julianne Moore in May December is great. Let me
Speaker 1: just for a second. Are you there, God, It's me Margaret.
Speaker 1: Rachel mccadams is so special.
Speaker 2: I need to watch Bowen.
Speaker 1: You I know, are a Rachel fan. Yes, you have
Speaker 1: to watch Are you there, God, It's me Margaret. So
Speaker 1: before I talked about that moment and Andrew Scott's performance
Speaker 1: where I've involuntarily broke down, that happens in this movie
Speaker 1: at the least. Obviously, Are you there, God, It's me
Speaker 1: Margaret is a classic coming of age novel, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't really on my radar because I thought of it
Speaker 1: as like, and this is my own mistake. I thought
Speaker 1: of it like, oh, it's like, you know, like a
Speaker 1: book for it's like ya, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I thought, it's ya whatever. I love this movie so much.
Speaker 2: That was your first mistake is writing off ya? Bitch?
Speaker 1: That was my ever and it will be the last
Speaker 1: time I write off ya because this adaptation of it
Speaker 1: is so lovely. Rachel mccadams is so you know what's
Speaker 1: fucking you know what's fucked up about her. I'm watching
Speaker 1: her in this movie and she naturally projects so much
Speaker 1: warmth and love and we're looking at Regina. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this bitch is she is so talented. She can do anything, anything,
Speaker 1: And I hope she gets an Oscar nomination for this
Speaker 1: because the movie succeeds beautifully and it is because of her.
Speaker 1: And there's a moment towards the end of the movie,
Speaker 1: so I won't spoil, but there's like a milestone in
Speaker 1: the lead character of Margaret's life and Rachel's reaction to
Speaker 1: it and the love between them is the success of
Speaker 1: the whole movie. Chef's Kiss. Rachel McAdams. I just love her.
Speaker 1: I just love her.
Speaker 2: She's one of our greats. She is really one of
Speaker 2: our greades. Oh I love Rachel. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just fucking love her. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that might be all for the movies I saw.
Speaker 1: I know you haven't seen Color Purple. Oh. Oh, should be.
Speaker 2: Talking about Past Lives. I know, Past Lives.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I finally saw Past Lives. It was great.
Speaker 1: I will never forget that ending. Yeah, And you know
Speaker 1: what I love about Past Lives. It's about It's about
Speaker 1: these characters who had an intense connection as children, and
Speaker 1: then they lose each other in life because she moves
Speaker 1: to America and it takes place in Korea. And then
Speaker 1: years later they reconnect online and they have like an
Speaker 1: intense online relationship that she ends because she realizes she's
Speaker 1: sort of in love with someone on a computer and
Speaker 1: they're not going to see each other. And then it
Speaker 1: passes twelve years again into the future when they're in
Speaker 1: their mid thirties and they have a meeting again. And ultimately,
Speaker 1: what this movie is about is about the importance of
Speaker 1: and validity of those connections that may not be life long,
Speaker 1: but they are unforgettable and you won't forget. Like for me,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a sad movie. It was more of a beautiful,
Speaker 1: lovely movie that was about just how we can look
Speaker 1: at those connections and those relationships of people that, like
Speaker 1: you know, may we may never see again, but will
Speaker 1: always remember as good things, and there's a way to
Speaker 1: include them in your life and in the landscape of
Speaker 1: your life in a way that doesn't have to feel
Speaker 1: like longing or the one that got away. You know
Speaker 1: that it actually really helped me in many ways. I
Speaker 1: left them really heeled.
Speaker 2: I felt Wow. You know what the movie does, which
Speaker 2: is really incredible, is that it is so compassionate to everybody,
Speaker 2: including Josh Magaro's character, who is the is her current
Speaker 2: boyfriend boyfriend grete Les, Yeah, yeah her. She meets at
Speaker 2: this artist's retreat, and their meeting is really lovely and
Speaker 2: nice and organic and is completely beautiful, and there's there.
Speaker 2: There are a couple scenes, and one in particular that
Speaker 2: takes place at a bar that is actually the first
Speaker 2: opening image of the film is these three people at
Speaker 2: a bar and this long lens and these people talking
Speaker 2: over them, going like who do you think they are
Speaker 2: to each other? Yeah, these long lens, far frame shots.
Speaker 2: That concept of distance is so well employed in this.
Speaker 2: It's about voyeurism in a way. It's about like watching
Speaker 2: from afar this thing, whether it's you, I think it
Speaker 2: is about long and ultimately and it resolves itself really
Speaker 2: nicely by the end. But it's to me like it's
Speaker 2: so visually subtle and really nice, doesn't get in the
Speaker 2: way of any of the things that are going on,
Speaker 2: any of the other things that are going on on screen.
Speaker 2: But yes, compassionate about that guy. That guy and this
Speaker 2: love triangle as it were, where you go, we'll get
Speaker 2: him out of there. You never think that, do you.
Speaker 2: And there's this lovely moment between him and his son,
Speaker 2: Tao Yu's character, by the way, huge star. I hope
Speaker 2: he really is in more things that actor. There's a
Speaker 2: moment between the two men at the end of the
Speaker 2: bar scene where they go, you know where hey son goes.
Speaker 2: You know, you and I have I think it's in
Speaker 2: this like Korean concept like you and I have had
Speaker 2: a past life together too, and like it really seals
Speaker 2: that triangle in such a beautiful wayre It's like these
Speaker 2: two men are meaningful to each other too, no matter what,
Speaker 2: even though they've just met, even though they may never
Speaker 2: see each other again. To the relationship between these two
Speaker 2: men is so important. And there's a moment at the
Speaker 2: end that I think you're talking about, where it's this long, long,
Speaker 2: long shot that tracks these two people and then attracts
Speaker 2: someone else on the way back. And I realized in
Speaker 2: watching that part again, that moment encapsulates the entire movie.
Speaker 2: It is like this long tense journey these this reunion
Speaker 2: of two people who are walking. She's sending him off,
Speaker 2: and then there's this long, uncomfortably long, sexy, horny, sad
Speaker 2: stare between these two people that's like a full minute,
Speaker 2: I think, or something like that. It's just long, and
Speaker 2: it's loaded and it's heavy. And then he gets into
Speaker 2: a cab, into an uberan leaves and then she walks back.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry if I'm spoiling this. It's been out for
Speaker 2: a few months, several months at this point. But and
Speaker 2: then she meets Josh again, and I'm like, that's the
Speaker 2: whole movie. That's the entire that's the entire thing of
Speaker 2: the movie is just like that moment of letting go
Speaker 2: and then of returning to someone who is waiting for you.
Speaker 2: And there's something incredibly simple about that that I have
Speaker 2: not seen in a movie. I really really, really loved it.
Speaker 2: And gret is getting all the pret she deserves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so great that I think it's career changing
Speaker 1: for her. I would say that first and foremost, this
Speaker 1: is like a directorial oh clean song. I mean, so
Speaker 1: I'll say this. I went and paid to go see this.
Speaker 1: I saw it on Twelfth Street in New York and
Speaker 1: it was the only movie I've seen where people applauded
Speaker 1: at the end.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: It was the only movie I've seen out of all
Speaker 1: of these where people were like moved to clap at
Speaker 1: the end.
Speaker 2: Wow. And I was just like, well, no, no, I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, peop applauded at poor things and in American
Speaker 2: fiction for me, but keep going.
Speaker 1: Okay that you know what I lied, because as I
Speaker 1: transition into the color purple, it got a huge ovation.
Speaker 1: I actually want to say that I was able to
Speaker 1: see a screening of this that had a top back
Speaker 1: afterwards with the director Blitz buzzawul A and Fantasia and
Speaker 1: Taraji and Niel and you know, Corey Hawkins and the
Speaker 1: choreographer Fatima Robinson was there and it was just it
Speaker 1: was a Monday night and so a lot of Broadway
Speaker 1: people were off, and so the energy was so amazing
Speaker 1: in the screening room and it was so thick, and
Speaker 1: every number that was successful got like a big ovation.
Speaker 1: And at the end the movie really sticks. The landing
Speaker 1: at the end, like it's just so emotional. It's last
Speaker 1: scene and I haven't been so happy to see Sierra
Speaker 1: since they like a boy music video, I mean, comes
Speaker 1: in at the end and eats down. She plays the
Speaker 1: adult version of Neddie. Let me just say a few
Speaker 1: things about this movie performances us. Yeah, Fantasia is so
Speaker 1: good in this and it makes me so happy because
Speaker 1: she has not gotten her due and she's so talented.
Speaker 1: The way that she inhabits this character, it's like, I
Speaker 1: think it's like the definitive Sealy for me, because the
Speaker 1: way that she carries her body, there's this like resignation
Speaker 1: in her and there's this just like deep it's almost
Speaker 1: like she's like resigned to her depression in her lot
Speaker 1: in life and the way she holds her body. And
Speaker 1: then by the end you see her shoulders are back,
Speaker 1: not to quote I'm here, but like there's this like
Speaker 1: beautiful arc that she plays, and her voice is so stunning.
Speaker 1: And what I loved about the movie was not only
Speaker 1: the trio of performances at the center, which are so great.
Speaker 1: I mean, Danielle Brooks so great in this to Raji's
Speaker 1: incredible in this. But what I loved was that the
Speaker 1: script and I thought this was one of the directorial
Speaker 1: choices that worked. Imagines a world where we are often
Speaker 1: see like the diegetic I guess you would say is
Speaker 1: that a lot of it takes place in Silly's imagination,
Speaker 1: and so that allows the movie to go in really
Speaker 1: interesting directions aesthetically. And I would also compliment the sound
Speaker 1: editing of this movie. For a musical, I thought that
Speaker 1: you couldn't really tell what was being live stung on
Speaker 1: what was recorded, like the voices were in front of
Speaker 1: the music and exactly the right way. Just great musical
Speaker 1: theater in this. And I actually saw Fantasia do the
Speaker 1: Color Purple on Broadway all those years ago and it
Speaker 1: was stunning. Then I really like this musical. Now is
Speaker 1: the part where I have some criticism for it. So
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I love the musical is
Speaker 1: because it's a really it's actually an even it's an
Speaker 1: even more accurate adaptation of the book than the movie is.
Speaker 1: The queerness is a lot more present in the musical
Speaker 1: than it was in the movie, where basically they reduced
Speaker 1: the queer storyline, and it's important.
Speaker 2: To the movie musical or the they were the.
Speaker 1: Musical the musical is is really an adaptation of the book, yes,
Speaker 1: and not the movie, So the movie is its own thing,
Speaker 1: and the movie sort of reduces the queerness. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I'm here happens in the musical on stage
Speaker 1: is because it obviously happens the eleven o'clock number. And
Speaker 1: Sug decides she's gonna leave Cely, so they're in like
Speaker 1: a lesbian relationship basically, and Celia is at all these
Speaker 1: disappointments and all this abuse and all this loss in
Speaker 1: her life, and finally she's like running her store at
Speaker 1: the end of the story, and Shug decides she's gonna
Speaker 1: leave to have a final fling because that's who Sug is,
Speaker 1: and Cely breaks down and she's like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: that you're leaving me. You said you wouldn't do this.
Speaker 1: I love you and you still do this to me,
Speaker 1: and Shug swear she's gonna return, and Cely says no,
Speaker 1: and that's when she starts to sing, I don't need
Speaker 1: you to love me this, These are all the things
Speaker 1: I have. And then I'm here comes as a result
Speaker 1: of Cely finally saying I am not going to let
Speaker 1: myself worth and my happiness be dictated by other people.
Speaker 1: I'm beautiful and I'm here. That's what that is. And
Speaker 1: plot wise, it happens because Shoke decides to leave and
Speaker 1: Seely says, you know what, even after all this disappointment,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you destroy my happiness and my
Speaker 1: personhood and my security with myself and my self love.
Speaker 1: They took that out.
Speaker 2: Of the movie, and so there is no runway for
Speaker 2: I'm here, is what you're saying. No, yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: that's tough because you want that runway.
Speaker 1: It is incredibly disappointing because Fantasia is giving her life,
Speaker 1: She is giving her life to this song, and she
Speaker 1: has given her a life to this performance, and not
Speaker 1: only do they take the juice out of the narrative,
Speaker 1: but it's not shot well, oh, I'm Here is shot
Speaker 1: in the dark, and especially after all of the really
Speaker 1: innovative ways in which they shoot these other numbers, because
Speaker 1: they allow it to happen in the realm of her imagination.
Speaker 1: And he absolutely nails hell no, which is Danielle Brooks's
Speaker 1: big number, and then I'm Here happens and it's just
Speaker 1: a thud, and I was so bummed. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: I saw an interview with him and some of the
Speaker 1: filmmakers where they were like, oh, we took out the
Speaker 1: storyline of sugar leaving, I think because they wanted to
Speaker 1: make it like more clear and more about like sisterhood
Speaker 1: and solidarity. And I'm like, how do you make this
Speaker 1: a better queer story by taking the tension and the
Speaker 1: conflict out of the queer relationship.
Speaker 2: To make it more and that they think that makes
Speaker 2: it more clear. That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: None of it makes sense to me. It is a
Speaker 1: total failure and adaptation of this story. And to me,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I was loving this movie until
Speaker 1: I realized what they had done with that storyline, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm sorry, but this is not
Speaker 1: this is not the best version of this story. And
Speaker 1: then you know, what. Go online and watch some clips
Speaker 1: of the Color Purple Musical. Watch the scenes where Sugar's
Speaker 1: telling Cely that she's gonna leave, and how that launches
Speaker 1: Cely and I'm here, and then how I'm here dovetails
Speaker 1: into the finale. That is like how that story should
Speaker 1: be told. That is like, that's the emotional climax of
Speaker 1: the movie. I love the story, and it's just I
Speaker 1: was really disappointed in that, which really sucks because I
Speaker 1: loved the movie for so many other reasons, and I
Speaker 1: think that especially fantasious performance as Ceily just deserve better
Speaker 1: than what happened in the end.
Speaker 2: Right, It's not a performance, No, it's just soctorial.
Speaker 1: She for all intents and purposes, should be up for
Speaker 1: an Oscar.
Speaker 2: She won't be, though she could take that fifth spot.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a race to the fifth spot.
Speaker 2: For Lock and then it's just about that fifth girl.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't nominate Kerry Mulligan for Maestro. I just don't
Speaker 1: think the movie's good enough. Like here's My best actress
Speaker 1: would be this, and honestly I'm giving Fantasia. I want
Speaker 1: this for her. My best actress would be Natalie Portman,
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie, Emma Stone, and some combination of Fantasia, Grete
Speaker 1: Lee or Sandra Huler. I just wish I could say
Speaker 1: Fantasia with my did you say Lily, Lily Flower?
Speaker 2: I think she's a lock for sure, having not seen it,
Speaker 2: I think it seems like the scuttle butt is that
Speaker 2: she is a lock. I think, don't rule out Fantasia.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm not ruling her out. I want it for her.
Speaker 1: I just think it's a shame it can't be called
Speaker 1: a lock, and I really think it could have. But
Speaker 1: when you see this movie, you'll know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm here happens. She stands on her porch and sings
Speaker 1: it in the dark's And if I was her, I'd
Speaker 1: be pissed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, light me, I would say, I mean light me properly.
Speaker 1: That is a lifetime that leads up to that performance,
Speaker 1: and she did.
Speaker 2: It in the dark No. Unacceptable.
Speaker 1: I was disappointed.
Speaker 2: What's not disappointing? And we have to touch on.
Speaker 1: This better than any of these movies.
Speaker 2: Truly, one of the most riveting viewing experiences I have
Speaker 2: maybe ever had. This brought me right back to me
Speaker 2: in high school watching Grey's anatomy super Bowl episodes. We
Speaker 2: are talking, of course, about mysteries revealed real housemves of
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City Season four finale. I cannot stop thinking
Speaker 2: about this and likely will never for the rest of
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: I think maybe the best episode of housewives of all time.
Speaker 2: Big, big title, and I don't disagree. I need no
Speaker 2: more than I do.
Speaker 1: Emerald Finella needs to watch this episode because this Monica
Speaker 1: Garcia did what Barry Hewen never could do, which was
Speaker 1: that was a real bamboozling. Like yes, first of all,
Speaker 1: can we say the core four of LC A list?
Speaker 1: They shot to the A list. They were all them
Speaker 1: standing on the beach. You know what I was flashing
Speaker 1: back to was when we watched Big Little Lies, and
Speaker 1: we got to watch this together too, the finale of
Speaker 1: slscree watched together with a great crew screaming. I've never
Speaker 1: heard a scream and a laugh at the same time
Speaker 1: like I've heard it from Bowen Yang at the words
Speaker 1: reality Vontee's.
Speaker 2: It's such a perfect stupid name. It is. It is
Speaker 2: the only name it could have been, do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like there was like some a lot
Speaker 2: of chatter afterwards in our little group that night where
Speaker 2: we were like, God, that name though I don't know
Speaker 2: about that name. I'm like, no, it is the perfect
Speaker 2: stupid name, stupid avatar fucking like Celesteiyim reverse image search
Speaker 2: reality Vontiice's avatar image on Instagram. It is from like
Speaker 2: a product image on some like gear site like burlesses
Speaker 2: gear site or something, or not even Burless. But I
Speaker 2: think DTA might be da seuing.
Speaker 1: I think Dita was like, I don't know what this
Speaker 1: is and I will take legal action if I feel
Speaker 1: like I have to.
Speaker 2: I don't want my name in this at all. I
Speaker 2: think it makes her more iconic.
Speaker 1: First of all, from the beginning, that episode was great.
Speaker 2: From the beginning of the season is this has been
Speaker 2: an A plus season all around.
Speaker 1: This was I might have to give this incredible Well
Speaker 1: you know what I did afterwards. I've watched it twice
Speaker 1: and I did watch the first episode of the Sea
Speaker 1: and again, kudos to the editors because it is all there, there,
Speaker 1: It is all there. This season has rewatch value. Boots, Boots,
Speaker 1: it is so good. Meredith the girl with the pear
Speaker 1: earring could never over this still of Meredith with her
Speaker 1: hair in her mouth in anguish. People are trying.
Speaker 2: To hurt us.
Speaker 1: It is so sick of.
Speaker 2: Trying to hurt us.
Speaker 1: Also, Lisa, Oh my god, you're gonna cry. What? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? Wait what what?
Speaker 2: I got your text? What's going on?
Speaker 1: I got your text? What's going on? It's wait for Meredith.
Speaker 1: She's walking over. Honestly, Carrie, Miranda, Charlotte and Samantha are
Speaker 1: so over. It is about Meredith, Lisa Whitney and the
Speaker 1: legend Heather Gay. I mean, Heather, you really did something there.
Speaker 2: You will be in the Hall of Fame for all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If there's a Hall of Fame for housewives, Heather
Speaker 1: you solidified it.
Speaker 2: You really did.
Speaker 1: And it's been it's been not always smooth sailing for
Speaker 1: Heather on the show. But I feel like she freed herself.
Speaker 1: She freed herself, and you always root for her.
Speaker 2: You always.
Speaker 1: She's the protagonist. She Heather Gay is. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: she's the star of the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a more satisfying reveal than
Speaker 1: she gave me a black eye and she knew she
Speaker 1: was She knew what she was doing too. The black
Speaker 1: eye of it all.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we were all saying right like
Speaker 2: that finale was pulling in threads from seasons one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: It was. It was Avengers end game level storytelling where
Speaker 2: you're about to close all of these loops. It does
Speaker 2: make me think what's next in a genuine way. But
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna worry about that too much me neither.
Speaker 2: I'm just still applauding that moment in television because I
Speaker 2: have not felt and thank god I had people over
Speaker 2: that night because I was gonna just maybe watch it alone.
Speaker 1: No, No, that needed to be a communal experience. I'm
Speaker 1: so happy it was.
Speaker 2: I just think that is spectacular TV making just enough.
Speaker 2: Like Little Red Herrings too, Like all the lead up
Speaker 2: in the dinner to the moment of the reveal stupid.
Speaker 2: It is these women like faking the drama, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It is like we don't really care
Speaker 2: what's going on. We just we're stalling until, like Heather
Speaker 2: finds the right moment and she did. The moment is
Speaker 2: so beautiful of Heather being like of Heather asking Monica
Speaker 2: before the reveal, like, well then how do you know that?
Speaker 2: How did you like? Or like what was the question?
Speaker 2: Why do you think we believe you, Monica, why do
Speaker 2: you think we believe Oh my god, why.
Speaker 1: Do you think we believe you? And then she goes, well,
Speaker 1: I had the receipts.
Speaker 2: The team wasn't about the truth.
Speaker 1: It was about the truth. Receipt prove timeline, screamshots, fucking
Speaker 1: everything to prove you a line of bully.
Speaker 2: And a troll.
Speaker 1: I I mean, I was so grateful that night.
Speaker 2: It was very grateful that night that I'm sorry love
Speaker 2: to the Scandalfal era of reality television. That moment was huge.
Speaker 2: I think you have to give some accolade to what
Speaker 2: what all of season four of Salt Lake City was
Speaker 2: should be nominated.
Speaker 1: It should be nominated, Bravo.
Speaker 2: If you're listening NBC Universal, if you're listening comcasts, start
Speaker 2: the campaign now.
Speaker 1: It will win the way they put all the chips
Speaker 1: on vander Pump last year for the Emmys, and then
Speaker 1: you must do this for Salt Lakes. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why. Salt Lake City is also great because it
Speaker 1: was able with this storyline to double down on its
Speaker 1: housewives subgenre, which is true Cup and I think it
Speaker 1: knows that really this five reasons why, And I sent
Speaker 1: this to Bowen. This is how academic I'm thinking about this.
Speaker 1: Number five, we were able to move on and the
Speaker 1: cast was able to move on. I understood the importance
Speaker 1: of moving on from old conflicts. Meredith versus Lisa was done.
Speaker 1: It was resolved in the first episode Heather versus Whitney.
Speaker 1: It took a second longer, but it was resolved quickly.
Speaker 1: The gen shaw of it all, they, for all intents
Speaker 1: and purposes, had moved on until it had to be
Speaker 1: dealt with again. So that's number five, is they moved on?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Number four, Angie was a way better housewife than anyone thought.
Speaker 1: She was.
Speaker 2: Haavy.
Speaker 1: She's funny. I've never seen anyone really like her, and
Speaker 1: she's unintentionally and intentionally watchable.
Speaker 2: She's been built up in a really nice way through
Speaker 2: the season.
Speaker 1: And never forget you. We wouldn't have had Palm Springs
Speaker 1: or any of that narratith ouligans without Antie K. So,
Speaker 1: Angie K, you got your snowflake back for next season?
Speaker 1: Really the house down.
Speaker 2: Watch out for Elsiecas this year. ANGIEK might show up.
Speaker 1: She might be showing up in multiple categories.
Speaker 2: She might show up on Iconic four hundred, she might.
Speaker 1: Show up in person, number three, the perfect amount of
Speaker 1: Mary Cosby agree, agree, the perfect amount of Mary, like
Speaker 1: we never thought we're missing her, and we never thought
Speaker 1: she's too much like it was just the perfect.
Speaker 2: Amount, even in this conversation, even in the current discourse
Speaker 2: about reality Vontee like the I think the night before
Speaker 2: the finale, someone was with Mary and they say, Mary,
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts about about the finale? But what
Speaker 2: should we expect from the Salt Lake City for preside Vanilla?
Speaker 2: She says, pray for Monica. Ooh, you guys should for
Speaker 2: you guys better pray for Monica. And I mean she
Speaker 2: was even that is the perfect amount of America. Even
Speaker 2: that's the perfect amount of Mirria. And I'm sure the.
Speaker 1: Readion will give us the perfect amount. And they should
Speaker 1: know that going forward. Mary never gets to snowflick again.
Speaker 1: But invite her on the cast trips. Let her fucking
Speaker 1: do her twenty minutes, sit in the van, go get
Speaker 1: her fish fly We need the color commentary Number two,
Speaker 1: they finally were able to go on like trips without
Speaker 1: worrying about Jenshaw's fucking visa because she's a convicted fallon.
Speaker 1: And number one was fucking Monica Monica gave that she
Speaker 1: was an antagonist that was for the Ages, and I
Speaker 1: say that also saying we do not need to see
Speaker 1: her again on this show. We're done.
Speaker 2: I agree. I don't know that she was an antagonist
Speaker 2: for the Ages until the last episode. I think the
Speaker 2: entire season was like I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I care for her until you had to care
Speaker 2: and then you were like, thank god.
Speaker 1: I feel like, if you watch it again, watch the
Speaker 1: first episode again, you'll see it's all there. It's literally
Speaker 1: in the first Remember they did that insane segment where
Speaker 1: they were Lisa walks by Monica on the street and
Speaker 1: she goes the devil lurks among us and it's Monica
Speaker 1: Like they've been telegraphing it from the beginning, but Monica
Speaker 1: Loki like again did what Barry and Saltburn never could
Speaker 1: do and actually manipulated them and the celebrating her birthday.
Speaker 2: Two days before. My theory family was never in Bermuda.
Speaker 1: We have to get to the bottom of this. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what I want. I want a four episode
Speaker 1: I want Bravos version of like fucking any documentaries. I
Speaker 1: want Bravos. I want a four episode limited series called
Speaker 1: Reality Vontis and it's Monica and all the people in
Speaker 1: Reality Vontie's Tanisha at all CoA, all these people telling
Speaker 1: the truth. I want a true crime limited docuseries. That's
Speaker 1: the Bravo version of what we see for like the
Speaker 1: fucking like.
Speaker 2: The vow you need to watch Mommy Dead and dearest
Speaker 2: you get in to speed on the.
Speaker 1: You brought it up because I have watched nothing else
Speaker 1: but Gypsy Rose Blanchard for the past three days. I
Speaker 1: am obsessed.
Speaker 2: First of all, can we say I think she's specifically
Speaker 2: slay on the view she was really good.
Speaker 1: Watched everything she's done. I've watched everything she's done, and
Speaker 1: I've never seen a crazier person.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go public. I don't think she'll mind me
Speaker 2: saying this. Gypsy Rose. No, not Gypsy Rose. Oh you
Speaker 2: know who else is obsessed with her?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 2: Mariana Grande goes work, bitch work?
Speaker 1: Yes? And what else? Did she say?
Speaker 2: Yes? And she was saying that Gypsy Rose like can
Speaker 2: have it all, like Gypsy Rose, like you have the
Speaker 2: world in the palm of your hand.
Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose on her Instagram being like, hey, get ready
Speaker 1: with me for today I comes like, I can't believe this.
Speaker 1: She's like, my whole outfit is zaras I.
Speaker 2: Think, I'm like pretty cute, okaybye. This is this is
Speaker 2: a girl who like is frozen in time in a
Speaker 2: way like irrespective of prison, she has been like fucking
Speaker 2: bio physiologically manipulated into being a certain way. And she
Speaker 2: is like, this is another year of this is like
Speaker 2: poor things ear of the Doll Barbie. This is like
Speaker 2: girl steps down into the real world.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're right.
Speaker 2: She is figuring this out and we cheer her on.
Speaker 2: She is saying all the right things in these interviews,
Speaker 2: being like I did a bad thing, I've done my time.
Speaker 2: Now I just want to live my life. And yes,
Speaker 2: I have an ebook coming out. Yes I have a
Speaker 2: lifetime series coming out. Watch it if you like. But
Speaker 2: I'm not here to like fuck anything up. But if
Speaker 2: people are interested in my story, here's how you can
Speaker 2: find out more. Go off, Queen, We love you, Gypsy Rose.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's one more swift Y running the streets.
Speaker 1: She wants to meet Taylor Swift. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Tree Payne will allow it.
Speaker 2: Her favorite song being Karma is an L L. Yeah
Speaker 2: it should be Karma.
Speaker 1: Kara's her boyfriend slang in that D. You see her
Speaker 1: post about how the D is good?
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm obsessed with this queen.
Speaker 1: I think she's one of the great royals.
Speaker 2: She's one of the great royals. I mean her boyfriend
Speaker 2: consider me her pawn. Karma was her boyfriend when Dedie
Speaker 2: got stabbed.
Speaker 1: Period, poor Nick godjan a name. I know.
Speaker 2: Did you watch Mommy Dandiras? Did you watch the or
Speaker 2: not yet?
Speaker 1: So I've not watched that, but I will what I
Speaker 1: want to watch and what I probably will watch it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like because I et nothing on on Sunday night, it's
Speaker 1: anymore worth it? Well, I want to watch the act
Speaker 1: because another wormhole I felt down into is a Patricia
Speaker 1: Arcatte wormhole. I watched you ever watched those like YouTube clips?
Speaker 1: I don't forget who it is, but it's like it's like,
Speaker 1: this is the timeline of my career.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, she has a good one.
Speaker 1: So Patricia arcat has one. That's good because she's got
Speaker 1: done so many interesting things. She's really quite versatile as
Speaker 1: an actress. Like absolutely, yeah, she's amazing, but uh, I
Speaker 1: haven't watched it yet. Now there's because there's like a
Speaker 1: new one right now, there's like Gypsy Rows, like in
Speaker 1: my own Words or some shit.
Speaker 2: Well, that's her lifetime series, that's her as herself.
Speaker 1: I think, okay, I think it's like Gypsy Rose Confessions
Speaker 1: or something. Basically, all these things exist and they're all
Speaker 1: out there to be watched. But I've not yet watched
Speaker 1: Mommy Dead and Tears.
Speaker 2: Mommy Dead and Tears is really good because these motherfuckers
Speaker 2: at HBO paid for Disney Clearance to play clips of
Speaker 2: Tangled because that was her favorite Disney movie. And how
Speaker 2: poignant is that to make a point about it?
Speaker 1: Oh oh wo.
Speaker 2: She felt trapped. Her mom was like feeding her lies
Speaker 2: about the world, like her life was tangled, and she
Speaker 2: was like, I wanted Romance to resolve this. I wanted
Speaker 2: to meet a boy to save me.
Speaker 1: Rapunzel's mom had Munchausins by proxy. It's actually a really
Speaker 1: culture number. Mother Gotha mother.
Speaker 2: Go fucking deva mother gothel voice actress. Oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: find it. I'm gonna find it.
Speaker 1: Donna Murphy, Donna Murphy, Donna Murphy. Donna Murphy is a
Speaker 1: fucking icon.
Speaker 2: Is a fucking legend and one of the most gorgeous
Speaker 2: people we we have.
Speaker 1: She's amazing. She's amazing before we get into I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. I want your thoughts on the White
Speaker 1: Lotus casting reveal.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited, very excited for Leslie Bibb as well.
Speaker 2: Leslie bib is Leslie phenomenal actor.
Speaker 1: I'm so pumped for the random miss of this casting,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's like, of course
Speaker 1: you never could guess, but I wouldn't have guessed. Like
Speaker 1: even even the Parker posy of it all, which is
Speaker 1: like the big poll is so genius, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have guessed it. And I'm living for this Christopher guest
Speaker 1: revolution in White Lotus, I said Catherine herron X.
Speaker 2: Catherine herron X or Parker is gonna be perfect in
Speaker 2: this world. She's gonna be so good. And I love that, Natasha,
Speaker 2: it gets to be the sort of recurring thing from
Speaker 2: prior seasons. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: You know. The one piece of casting where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, is this little on the nose is
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone reads as more evil than Jason.
Speaker 1: Isaac's right, and so I feel like I hope he's
Speaker 1: not playing an evil character, because that's on the nose
Speaker 1: to me. Unfortunately, that's kind of what happens when you
Speaker 1: play Lucius Malfoy is you have like evil face and
Speaker 1: you're British. It's kind of like you're bad. So I
Speaker 1: kind of hope he doesn't play bad. But lots of
Speaker 1: great actors in this, truly, and Michelle Monaghan, who I
Speaker 1: hadn't thought, yeah, this is gonna be good.
Speaker 2: I'm just excited to see what mister Mike White does
Speaker 2: with Asia and death. I think those being the themes
Speaker 2: of this are really not the themes. One being the
Speaker 2: setting and one being the theme is very cool. If
Speaker 2: the theme was Asia, how would you feel that.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, okay, I trust Michael, I trust you, Michael.
Speaker 2: Very excited for yes, and mmmm, I'm just so you
Speaker 2: guys know. I had some readers Katie's Publicist finalists on
Speaker 2: my Twitch stream and of course some of y'all were
Speaker 2: orientators who and this is my fault for spilling the beans,
Speaker 2: but one of them got me to say a little
Speaker 2: blab a little bit too much and egg on mine.
Speaker 2: So I will not be doing I will not be
Speaker 2: revealing too much, but it's a gag. Everyone's everyone still
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: I will not be really too much for I heard
Speaker 1: it and it's a gag.
Speaker 2: Well, no, that's already established.
Speaker 1: I've already.
Speaker 2: I've already no, I know.
Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't know, what bo
Speaker 1: When is saying is that he's heard the song, let's
Speaker 1: just keep it there.
Speaker 2: He loves it. It's really good. I love it.
Speaker 1: I can't wait, and it'll be two days after this
Speaker 1: episode drops that everyone will hear it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I can't wait. So exciting. Should we move on?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, let's move on. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. I think maybe let's wait until next
Speaker 1: week to talk about drag Race, because then we'll have
Speaker 1: met all the queens.
Speaker 2: Yes, but so far, I like this first crop of queens.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun. I think that the
Speaker 1: top two of the week, which were Cue and Sierra Sephira,
Speaker 1: are probably the ones to watch. But I'm also into
Speaker 1: Down a.
Speaker 2: Lot, really into Down. I really am excited for this season.
Speaker 2: I thought I was kind of like in the lead up,
Speaker 2: like eh, sure, yeah, drag Race whatever. Now that it's back,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I missed this I can't wait.
Speaker 1: All right, so it might be I don't think Sohney, Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: and this is our one minute second where we go
Speaker 1: off on culture. If you know, you know this is
Speaker 1: the ninth season of Lost Culture is thus okay, this
Speaker 1: is the first episode of the ninth season of Lost
Speaker 1: Culture Create. So if you're joining us now, you're just
Speaker 1: in time to hear that I don't think Sohney is
Speaker 1: our one minute second where we ran on something in culture.
Speaker 2: But if you know, you also know I have something.
Speaker 2: Let me get my phone. Let me get my phone, okay,
Speaker 2: Darling the year.
Speaker 1: Can I say it actually took me a second to
Speaker 1: realize a mandatory meeting was a mandatory meeting. I don't
Speaker 1: know why it took me, But when that one queen
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I just got it, I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, me too. And I just thought if
Speaker 1: her last name was meeting.
Speaker 2: Oh no. Have you seen the pit stop where Trixie
Speaker 2: like has to take a break to laugh at how
Speaker 2: fucking amazing that name is. It's one of the best names.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I have to check in on the pistop
Speaker 1: again because Trixie's doing it.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, Trixy's I had taken a break a mandatory
Speaker 2: eating is really really good.
Speaker 1: Okay, and I love performance.
Speaker 2: My Kitty, My Kitty, Where's my kitty? It's very Matros coded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone yelled at me across the party. She is
Speaker 1: your same voice.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's very Matt used to. Matt wrote this
Speaker 2: fever dream of a sketch and pop roolette once, where
Speaker 2: it's about this acting teacher who breaks into song who's
Speaker 2: frustrated with her new students. Do you not remember this?
Speaker 1: I don't remember this.
Speaker 2: You remember this? It was an acting it was an
Speaker 2: acting class, and you were the teacher, but you were
Speaker 2: a woman, and you were like screaming at these students
Speaker 2: and then just for not being up to stand to
Speaker 2: your high standards as an acting teacher, and then you
Speaker 2: break into a musical number. You remember this, which is I.
Speaker 1: Can't deal with all these all these hoes, I can't
Speaker 1: deal with the young chafters Okay, I remember this did
Speaker 1: not get staged, But now I remember I brought it
Speaker 1: in because it made no sense.
Speaker 2: Notes in the best way. I was like, it was
Speaker 2: my favorite. It's one of my favorite things you've ever done,
Speaker 2: because it's complete chaos and it's pure id. It's pure
Speaker 2: Matt Rodgers writing from a place of id and play
Speaker 2: and stupidity, And I really think you should do something
Speaker 2: with it. All right, maybe I'll do it as a
Speaker 2: character one of these things. But that is the same
Speaker 2: song that a mandatory meeting dead? Where's the kidding emandatory meeting?
Speaker 1: We are kindred?
Speaker 2: We should collab? Okay, ready, this is Matt Rodgers. I
Speaker 2: don't think so, Honey's time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Epstein list girl, just tell
Speaker 1: me who's a rapist and who isn't like, stop with
Speaker 1: the If there's someone out there that needs to be
Speaker 1: feared and is harmful, just say who they are and
Speaker 1: what they've done. Because because now like people are like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, did you hear so and so was
Speaker 1: on the Epstein List. Kate Blanchette is on the Epstein List.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but honey, what does that mean? Like
Speaker 1: does she do anything wrong? Or was she mentioned in documents?
Speaker 1: Come to find out? Yeah, it was about someone bragging
Speaker 1: about her. But now she has liked talks on her
Speaker 1: name because she was on the Epstein List. I got
Speaker 1: people in the DMS today being like, did you see
Speaker 1: Christy Tiggins on the Epstein List. I'm like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? It is harmful and who isn't? Stop
Speaker 1: with this Epstein list. And this is what happens when
Speaker 1: you build something up and build something up there, build
Speaker 1: something up and allow it to fester online. Now it's
Speaker 1: like something that it isn't like, chill out. Who's harmful?
Speaker 1: Who isn't? What's the information? What's the news now? What's
Speaker 1: this blanket statement of other on the Epstein list or
Speaker 1: rumored to be on the Epstein list? Also, what's the list?
Speaker 1: What's a rumor? I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. Thank you for speaking on that.
Speaker 2: It's just a consequence of the way that these documents
Speaker 2: are being released by the court, and so there's all
Speaker 2: but no, but I agree with you. There is all
Speaker 2: this really crazy stupid love internet crazy stupid bug like
Speaker 2: internet fodder over it in a way that I think
Speaker 2: is actually kind of not dangerous. But just like it's
Speaker 2: like wait a minute, yeah, because like I'm sure Kate
Speaker 2: Blanchette feels a certain way about this, and it's like,
Speaker 2: why the fuck am I catching astray?
Speaker 1: Can you imagine her publicist being like, hey, you're on
Speaker 1: the Epstein List. She's like what what what the why
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Yeah, you were mentioned on the
Speaker 1: Epstein list? Well what does that mean? What's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: And then like her name is literally next to like
Speaker 1: people who are like who've done all? I just don't
Speaker 1: understand what is the point of having a list of
Speaker 1: people that were mentioned You're you're you're grouping these people
Speaker 1: together like on the basis of what like obviously like
Speaker 1: association with the name Epstein, which is like incredibly damning
Speaker 1: and very dangerous. It's like, what is the point of this?
Speaker 1: Like can we just understand that we don't live in
Speaker 1: a climate anymore where you can just like throw out
Speaker 1: there like this and you can just say shit and
Speaker 1: that it's gonna be funneled through like a reliable system
Speaker 1: that doesn't operate in like such bad faith. It's like,
Speaker 1: now it's like we know that Leo is on the
Speaker 1: Epstein List. It's like, Okay, is something wrong?
Speaker 2: I've kind of steered clear And I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: in a virtuous way. I'm just going like I'm not
Speaker 2: bothering to look because I am maybe in the minority
Speaker 2: of people who like understands it to be meaningless. But
Speaker 2: I do have fear over what it means for these
Speaker 2: people who have done nothing wrong and we're just named
Speaker 2: by someone who like sailed past the island or something.
Speaker 1: Anyway, anyway, Bowen, do you have an I don't think
Speaker 1: Zhani for today, I do well good, this is Bowan yangs.
Speaker 1: I don't think Shani, and as time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey, let do Alipa go on vacation.
Speaker 2: I don't want you guys to all of a sudden
Speaker 2: be on your high horse now and be like she's
Speaker 2: going on vacation too much. If you were her, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you would go on vacation too. She's catching a
Speaker 2: lot of flak for being It was reported that nine
Speaker 2: months out of the past twelve she's been on vacation.
Speaker 2: So what in Kosovo, in Tokyo and Greece and Albania
Speaker 2: and Barcelona and Madri. I'm like, she's a pop star.
Speaker 1: That's what she's supposed to do. Thirty seconds, What do
Speaker 1: you want her to do? She writes a newsletter, she
Speaker 1: hosts a podcast. She's good at all of those things.
Speaker 1: She has a book club, she has a book club.
Speaker 1: She's reading fucking Pachenko to the girls. She's just living
Speaker 1: her tea seconds.
Speaker 2: She is her own lifestyle brand without actually selling you
Speaker 2: something besides her music. She just wants you to read
Speaker 2: her newsletter, which I read because she does have cute
Speaker 2: recommendations on there, and she's about to put out new music,
Speaker 2: so you're gonna enjoy it. Also, her not doing Coachella
Speaker 2: because of her vacation schedule is not a good enough
Speaker 2: reason to be mad at her.
Speaker 1: And then that's one minute.
Speaker 2: That's where it I'll start, is that she's not doing
Speaker 2: Coachella reportedly because she was on vacation her it conflicts
Speaker 2: with her vacation days in April. I say, slay, I
Speaker 2: see problem.
Speaker 1: It's called priorities. It's called she's saying this, what's important
Speaker 1: to me right now? Coachella will be there. I have
Speaker 1: confidence in the fact that my new work will be great.
Speaker 1: They'll ask me again. Also, Coachella is a huge undertaking.
Speaker 1: It's easy for p people that are like not the
Speaker 1: ones that have to do all that work and like
Speaker 1: perform and operate at a very high standard, to be like,
Speaker 1: fuck her, she's on vacation too much. She doesn't want
Speaker 1: to do it. It's like, okay, two things. One, she said,
Speaker 1: catch me before I go. So, now she's on vacation. Houdini,
Speaker 1: she said, Houdini, And that's what they do. They disappear,
Speaker 1: she comes, she goes, So let her go be on vacation.
Speaker 1: Second thing, actually have three things to say. Second thing,
Speaker 1: do you know why I want to be successful so
Speaker 1: I can be on vacation all the time. That's two.
Speaker 1: So if you have a problem with do you have
Speaker 1: a problem with me? And Third, I have never been
Speaker 1: more strong in my belief that what people need to
Speaker 1: do more than ever is mine their own fucking business.
Speaker 1: Reality there loser behavior, Mine your own fucking business.
Speaker 2: The way Lisa in that episode, just the way she
Speaker 2: screams at Monica, such a fucking loser. She said that
Speaker 2: with her chest, and I said absolutely, I said, I
Speaker 2: know that's right. We realize we're on it. We're hosting
Speaker 2: a podcast where we talk about things and people. It's
Speaker 2: never prescriptive, and if it feels that way, it's hopefully
Speaker 2: usually ninety nine percent of the time. In jest. We're
Speaker 2: talking about movies and we're saying we liked certain things,
Speaker 2: we didn't like other things that is all part of
Speaker 2: the consumer relationship with the artist, where it doesn't belong
Speaker 2: to them, it belongs to everybody.
Speaker 1: Let me say something, This is our business. This is
Speaker 1: literally our business. This podcast is our business. And also
Speaker 1: just like there's a difference between like I'm going online
Speaker 1: and like trashing someone for some stupid bullshit and like
Speaker 1: having things to say and opinions on like art girl.
Speaker 2: When can I pull When can I pull the plug
Speaker 2: on the Twitter? Because I suspect can I? I literally,
Speaker 2: well tomorrow, Okay, it's gone.
Speaker 1: Cut the Twitter. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's gone. It's just gone.
Speaker 1: Because I know noither of us can trust ourselves.
Speaker 2: This is my other recommendation to you, not sponsored. This
Speaker 2: is my end all to you. I know you've really
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Speaker 2: you know, relax or focus. I used an app lately
Speaker 2: again not an ad called Opal, which just locks you
Speaker 2: out of your apps for a designated period of time,
Speaker 2: and I found it immensely helpful. It locks me out
Speaker 2: of specific apps, and I am just like, well, let
Speaker 2: me just I bricked my phone. Essentially, let me just
Speaker 2: sit through a movie without looking at my fucking screen,
Speaker 2: my other screen, and it's been it's actually done wonders
Speaker 2: for my viewing experience where I'm like, let me actually
Speaker 2: pay attention to what's happening because I decided to press
Speaker 2: play on this film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it's just being conscious of balance too.
Speaker 1: It's like what you're saying, It's like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a certain designated period of time where I
Speaker 1: don't allow myself even the opportunity of this. I am
Speaker 1: literally and this is so top of the your resolution
Speaker 1: of me. But I'm reading this is the book reading
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to read this. It's Down the Drain
Speaker 1: by Julia Fox. But I love Julia Fox. This is
Speaker 1: a really good read. I'm about halfway through, and I
Speaker 1: just like filling your life with different things. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like not to be like it's
Speaker 1: giving thirties, but like not focused on things that you know,
Speaker 1: it's a definition of insanity to return to things that
Speaker 1: and expecting they have a different result. I'm never going
Speaker 1: to have a positive result carrying on the way I'm
Speaker 1: carrying on. I have to do different things with my life.
Speaker 2: They're reading books I'm saying, and this is not just
Speaker 2: the January speaking. It is the cure all. It will
Speaker 2: cure all of the ills within you. If you read
Speaker 2: a book, I'm telling you it's the best.
Speaker 1: I want that to.
Speaker 2: Be what we leave the readers with. Yes, we might
Speaker 2: have to start a book club.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we've done book club episodes in the past
Speaker 1: to huge success, massive successes. And I think WAI really
Speaker 1: happened in this episode.
Speaker 2: What was it again?
Speaker 1: Warmth, Warmth, inclusion, acceptance, inclusion. The title of app is Warmth,
Speaker 1: Acceptance and Inclusion. With Matt and Mowen.
Speaker 2: It should be WAI parentheses Warmth, acceptance, and inclusion. I
Speaker 2: want the acronym to really hold its own space.
Speaker 1: WAI people, whenever you go out and you feel challenged,
Speaker 1: I want you to say this way way way, Warmth,
Speaker 1: acceptance and inclusion, Way, the way way. And it's also
Speaker 1: it's a vocal warm up. Let's do it together one two, three.
Speaker 2: Will way. But you can work it into a sentence
Speaker 2: when you I know you like to say the way.
Speaker 1: The way.
Speaker 2: This episode carried down. We gave everything. This is an
Speaker 2: auspicious begetting to twenty twenty four. I have good feelings
Speaker 2: about this year. I'm ready to level up. Let's go, bitch,
Speaker 2: year nine, year nine.
Speaker 1: Come on, all right, we're gonna end. Why don't we
Speaker 1: do this? Why don't I guess what?
Speaker 2: Yes? And is gonna sound like okay, go yes?
Speaker 1: And I love myself yes, and I love you too.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And this is kind of giving tailor it's not giving
Speaker 1: Arianna's I'm sorry, Arianna, don't worry.
Speaker 2: She's not listening to this.
Speaker 1: She might be just busy. She got her album art
Speaker 1: to collect.
Speaker 2: Listen staying in the same hotel, and she yeah, and
Speaker 2: she was like, I'll like just like sit on the
Speaker 2: side and just like agree. And I'm like, no, Ari, you're.
Speaker 1: She wanted to sit there while you record.
Speaker 2: She wanted me to go over and play Quiplash and
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't. I'm recording the pot at
Speaker 2: nine because it's like one pm. And she was like, well,
Speaker 2: I can just you can just come over and then
Speaker 2: you can record from my bed. I was like, no, Ari,
Speaker 2: I have to be engaged with my girl. I have
Speaker 2: to look at my girl in the eye. And this
Speaker 2: will not be your last coach debut. I think there
Speaker 2: will be opportunity in the future for her to come
Speaker 2: on if she would like to. Eag wait, we love you, Ari,
Speaker 2: We can't wait for the new work.
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's it. We end every episode with
Speaker 1: a song Yes and I love how come this? I
Speaker 1: just hit my hands so hard to go.
Speaker 2: Bye.