1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ook F Daily with 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: Me your Girl, Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker. 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: You know, folks open up today with talking about Jesse 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: Waters and the video that has gone viral with his mom. 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: You know, he does a bit with his mom on 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: his show, and he did that before he took over 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson's spot on Fox. And you know, the video 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: is going around and people are saying, like, how cute 9 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: it is. His mother is a democrat and she's basically 10 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: admonishing him and telling him not to spread lies and 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: to you know, stop talking about the laptop, it's old, 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: and stop talking about taking over people's bodies, and like, 13 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: why can't you have a conversation that is going to 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: bring people together as opposed to continue tearing them apart. 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: And people think it's cute. They're like, oh, look, you 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: know it's a you know, this is a family and 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and here are my thoughts. But nothing 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: about that exchange to me, is cute. And people will say, well, 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: it's his mom and you know, what is she going 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: to do disown him? I don't think that it is 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: cute to continue to coddle and hold up as you know. 22 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: Oh but look, he's a good person because he has 23 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: a mom that cares about him. That Jesse Waters isn't 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: as dangerous as Tucker Carlson, isn't as dangerous as you know, 25 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: as Steve Bannon, isn't as dangerous as Donald Trump, isn't 26 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: as dangerous as all of the people who basically use 27 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: their platforms, their voices, their networks to be able to 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: continue to incite violence and be a national security threat. 29 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: I don't think it's fucking cute, right, I think that 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: Jesse Waters is just as culpable as everyone else that 31 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: is a part of that god forsaken fucking network. I 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: don't think it's cute that he has a mom that, 33 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: like you know, wants to wave her finger at him, 34 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: as opposed to saying what you're doing is fucking dangerous 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: and no, I'm not going to like play your reindeer games. 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: Sure you can still come home for Thanksgiving and Christmas, 37 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: but like I think that what you're doing, No, I'm 38 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: not proud of you right for using your platform, your voice, 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: and an education that I'm sure his parents paid for 40 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: to spread lies and cause harm and essentially be a 41 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: part of the destruction of our democracy. You know, there 42 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: are hard lines that we actually should be drawing in 43 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: this country, not the ones that the Republican Party is 44 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: trying to draw between decency right and indecency, between cruelty 45 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: and kindness, between empathy right and compassion. But there's a 46 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: hard line to be drawn that the people right, whether 47 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: they are the ones that are spreading the lies, that 48 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: are regurgitating them on their own social media platforms, the 49 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: ones that are voting for cruelty, like these people need 50 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: to be held to account, not patted on their fucking 51 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: heads like they're all perpetual fucking adolescents. They're not. Jesse 52 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: Waters is a grown ass fucking man who has a 53 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: job that he wakes up to do every day to 54 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: make sure that he continues to stoke the flames of 55 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: fear and hatred in this country because that's his fucking 56 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: money maker. So people are spreading this video saying, oh, yeah, 57 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: go Jesse Water's mom, give me a fucking break. The 58 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: conversation should be about are we really still looking at 59 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: people who helped aid and a bed insurrectionists and saying like, oh, 60 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: isn't this cute? Gosh golly, like, give me a fucking break, 61 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: Jesse Water, just like the entire Fox Network, just like 62 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: the entire Republican Party. Is it the threat to our 63 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: national security and a threat to our democracy? Just like 64 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: there always seems to be viral videos of white cops 65 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: playing with black kids every single time that there is 66 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: a shooting and a murder and a beating of an 67 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: innocent black person. Oh look, all cops aren't bad. Look 68 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: at them shooting hoops instead of beating those kids to 69 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: the ground. Isn't it great? This is how you continue 70 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: to soft pedal fascism in America is by making it 71 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: seem like Jesse Waters isn't a villain in the story 72 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: of America's collapse. Don't fall for the ropodope, because that's 73 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: exactly what the fuck it is. And I'm just sick 74 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: to death of all of it, folks. Coming up next 75 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: on this show, I'm a very excited for this conversation 76 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: with Matthew Solomon, who is the director and producer of 77 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: a new documentary called Reimagining Safety. And in the documentary, 78 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: Matthew interviews a lot of incredible voices like Los Angeles 79 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: District Attorney George Gaskin USC Law professor, doctor Jody Armer, 80 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: doctor l Jones, and Brooklyn College professor Alex Vittali. And 81 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: in this documentary they put together news footage from some 82 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: of the biggest water shed moments that we have seen, 83 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: including the murder of George Floyd in May twenty twenty 84 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: that sparked once again conversations around police reform in this country. 85 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: So in Reimagining Safety, Matthew Solomon and his team take 86 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: on this really important issue. That conversation is coming up next, folks. 87 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: I am very happy to welcome to woke af the 88 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: director and producer of the documentary Reimagining Safety, which explores 89 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: policing alternatives and solutions in a post George Floyd world. Matthew, 90 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to imagine. I think that after 91 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: the killing of George Floyd, which everyone saw because it 92 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: was in the middle of a pandemic, and we were 93 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: all at home and watch this close to nine minute 94 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: video and we thought in that moment, maybe this is 95 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: going to be it. Maybe this is the horrific incident 96 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: that we are going to need in order to real 97 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: change in policing. Then we watched, as you know, Republican 98 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: and you know, Tim Scott in the Senate and Corey 99 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: Booker got together to hammer out right what would be 100 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: the George Floyd Act, only to have it fizzle eight 101 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: months later, only to have the world's attention fizzle probably 102 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: a couple of months following that. What do you make 103 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: of where we are following this horrific incident, this murder 104 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: now some years removed. 105 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: That's a great question. And first of all, thank you 106 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: for having me on. It's a pleasure to be here 107 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: with you. Yeah, you know, I so I I just 108 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: turned fifty, and I'm born and raised in LA and 109 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: so you know, I was going to call it at 110 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: USC when the Rodney King beating happened and the LA riots, 111 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: and then there was the Rampart scandal a few years 112 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: after that. So for me, you know, I saw that as, oh, 113 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: that's got to be the turning point, you know, and 114 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: then fast forward to Trayvon Martin being murdered and George 115 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: Zimmerman being acquitted, and then you know, Black Lives Matter movement, 116 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: and you know all the video footage of hashtag, you know, 117 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: person after person, hashtag after hashtag, and then yeah, when 118 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: it came to George Floyd, and we're all stuck in 119 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: our houses and you know, nine minutes of you know, 120 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: this atrocity, you know, and then people flooding the streets 121 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: and you know, it wasn't like that, you know, back 122 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: in the nineties. So to see people flooding the streets. 123 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: I lived near West Hollywood, so you know, like Melrose, 124 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: West Hollywood area, all up around here. And to see 125 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: that surge, and a lot of the folks, black folks 126 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: I'm in anti rac racism, anti racism communities with We're 127 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: all like, let's see how long this lasts. You know, 128 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: like Nicki Black, who's a sociologist, she's she's in my film, 129 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: you know, she was like, yeah, y'all are posting your 130 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: black squares. But you know, let's see where we're at. 131 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 3: A year later. 132 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 133 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: And so a year later, after the backlash to the 134 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: defund the police slogan the you know, creating this whole 135 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: thing around CRT which isn't what it is, and like 136 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: none of it's true, but you know, the so you 137 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: know where we're at is uh. I Well, I see 138 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: it a couple different ways. I see that. On the 139 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: one hand, there was this huge surgeon support. A lot 140 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: of it dropped off, but not all of it. I'm 141 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: also looking at it, as you know, with my film, 142 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: I'm I'm basically touring going to different cities doing community 143 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: impact screenings where there's you know, around one hundred people 144 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: present at every screening, with activists and electeds and people 145 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: who were working towards change, like in the streets, like 146 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: especially in Memphis. I connected with a lot of those 147 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: folks with decarce Rate Memphis. So there's movement. There's an 148 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: awareness on a large scale that I think where people 149 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: acknowledge that there needs to be changed, and there's a 150 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: lot of resistance for what that change could and should 151 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: look like. And there's also you know, honestly, I thought 152 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: and hoped we'd be further along and can't believe we're 153 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 2: still doing a. 154 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: Lot of this. 155 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: And when I did this film, which was actually part 156 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: of a Master's in Public Administration course that I was in, 157 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: you know, this was last summer that I was doing 158 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: the interviews and editing, and it seemed like there had 159 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: been a lull in people talking about transforming public safety, 160 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: you know, whether it's reform or defund or abolish or whatever. 161 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: And so you know, for me, when I was doing this. 162 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 2: It's like, Wow, I'm hoping that this reignites the conversation. 163 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: And then unfortunately we hit January and LAPD murders, three 164 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: people within the first three weeks, three unarmed people within 165 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: the first three weeks, and then Tyree Nichols, you know, 166 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: on Memphis, and then here we are, you know, back 167 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 2: in it. And so it's like this cycle that doesn't stop, unfortunately, 168 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: and there is a movement of people who are in 169 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: the trenches doing the work, who were connecting with other 170 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: coalition members. 171 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: So I it's tough. 172 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, you know, I'm not convinced of the outcome, 173 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 2: but I know that I'm in community with a lot 174 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: of people who are working towards like real safety, real equity, 175 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: real job justice, and recognizing the impact especially on black 176 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: and brown communities, and the things that need to be done, 177 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: you know, to keep everybody safe. 178 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: What frustrates me, I think the most is sometimes I 179 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: ask myself, and I'm sure you asked this of yourself 180 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: and probably of your the participants in the documentary, which 181 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: is what is the point of policing? Do you know 182 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because when you really think about it, 183 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: and I mean this genuinely like not even tongue in 184 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: cheek when you really think about it. Police do not 185 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: stop crime, right, They don't stop crime in action. They 186 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: largely do not recover let's say, if you've been robbed, 187 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: they don't recover items, right They you know, rarely. How 188 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: we've been fed through Hollywood, how cops run after people 189 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: and you know, bring down the bad guy is all 190 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: smoke and mirrors to what it is that they actually do. 191 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: You know. Here, I live in New York, and when 192 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: I moved back to New York from Washington, DC, I 193 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: lived in first, I lived in a largely black area. 194 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: There are police everywhere, affluent brownstones surround all around, but 195 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: it just so happened that the people that lived inside 196 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: of those brownstones were black folks. So there were spotlights 197 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 1: and cop cars all at the Metro. I moved to 198 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: a largely white and you know, minimal amount of crime. 199 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: It was just we're going to surveil these people. I 200 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: moved to a largely white area. I never see a 201 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: police officer unless they are literally stopping to get a 202 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: bagel at the local store. And so when I see 203 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: the discrepancies, just in the small time frame in the 204 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: twenty minutes where of difference of location of where I 205 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: live in New York, I think to myself, if you 206 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: never made that switch of neighborhood, you would assume that 207 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: policing is all one way, hyper vigilant if you're a 208 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: black person living in a particular area, or nonexistent if 209 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: you're a white person living in a particular area. And so, 210 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: knowing that to be true, how do we, even Matthew, 211 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: begin to reimagine what actual policing would look like because 212 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: we're fed so many distorted views of it. 213 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, one of the things you know, that 214 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: I'm hoping with this film is that it helps to 215 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: illustrate the discrepancy, you know, between what you know we're 216 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: taught police are here for, and what we're taught they do, 217 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: and what we're socialized to believe in through TV and film, 218 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: you know, one hundred years of film, you know, and 219 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: what they actually do. 220 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 3: You know the reality of them, you. 221 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: Know, protecting and serving but protecting and serving property, and 222 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: you know, the wealthy recognizing that the safest neighborhoods have 223 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: the fewest police. You know, and and so you know, 224 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: even in the film, George Gascon who's the District Attorney 225 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 2: of La County, says incarceration is not a deterrent, you know, 226 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: but yet we're we lock up, you know, more people 227 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: than any other country, and so you know, I think 228 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: the more. And there's also like the news media is 229 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: invested in this. 230 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 3: You know. 231 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: One of the things is Cerice Castle, who's a journalist 232 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: here in LA who's done a lot of work around 233 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: like the the the gangs in the Sheriff's department here, 234 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: you know, was talking about how, you know, she grew 235 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: up in I believe it was Echo Park, you know, 236 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: and she's black, and she went to school, and they 237 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: did this whole thing on police are our friends and 238 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: you know, if you if you need help, go to 239 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: a cop. And meanwhile her friends were all getting you know, 240 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: beaten up and harassed and arrested, you know. And so like, 241 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: I'm a product as a cis hetero white male of 242 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: going up with police are our friends. But luckily I 243 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: went to very integrated and diverse schools where my friends 244 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: were mostly not white, you know, And so I was 245 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: hearing about their experiences and I was observing how they 246 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: would be followed around stores or looked at differently on 247 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: the street or you know, I was always when we 248 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: started driving, I was always the driver because I was 249 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: less likely to get pulled over. So I think, you know, 250 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: the more that we're having these conversations, and you know, 251 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: one of the things that I think was unfortunate about 252 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: the backlash to the defund the police slogan and even 253 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: the conversation around CRT is that our you know, quote leaders, 254 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 2: uh weren't really educated on what that stuff means and 255 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: to be able to dig in and say, no, we 256 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: do mean defund the police because we're talking about investing 257 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: in communities. No, what you're saying about CRT is bullshit. 258 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: That's not what it is at all. Yeah, this is 259 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: what it is. 260 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: It's about looking at the systems, you know, and how 261 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: how they're you know, race, they are you know, influenced 262 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 2: based on race, and no they're not being taught to 263 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 2: your kindergarteners, you know. But but really like holding that 264 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: line instead of getting you know, going on the defense 265 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: and back pedaling and all of that, which is what 266 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 2: on the left, you know, I tend to see a 267 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 2: lot of But I think I think it's really having 268 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: people who are educated in black liberation frankly, you know 269 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: that that can speak to this is what is meant, 270 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: and this is what we're working towards, and this is why, 271 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: because it's the right thing to do, because we care 272 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: about people. I think that's missing from the conversation in 273 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: a large way, especially out in the media world. 274 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: It's definitely missing from mainstream media one hundred percent. But 275 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: I feel like mainstream media doesn't want to have conversations 276 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: about black liberation, right, And we know that Republican politicians 277 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: don't want to have conversations about black liberation. It's why 278 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: they're on a crusade to ban every single book that 279 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: is not written by a white cis you know, quote 280 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: unquote Christian hetero man, right, Like, that's why we're we're 281 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 1: seeing this kind of backlash. And I wonder, you know, 282 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: as you were doing this film like it was it 283 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: was you know you're doing you said you were doing 284 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: interviews last summer, and that comes you know, a couple 285 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: of what I guess maybe a year or so after 286 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: the insurrection, another majing, major policing incident that we see 287 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: in this country where we had watched right the uprising 288 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: summer of all of our taxpayer dollars go to Gi 289 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 1: Joe uniforms and high artillery for local police departments that 290 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: we didn't even know that they had, and then we 291 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: watch thousands of white people go to invade our capitol building. 292 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: How did you reconcile with seeing that as you are 293 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: creating as you're creating this film, Yeah. 294 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, my dad and I watched it 295 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: live on TV, the insurrection, you know, and it was 296 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: predictable that certain politicians were going to compare it to 297 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: I mean, it was almost immediate, but it was predictable 298 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: that they were going to say, well, it's the same 299 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: as you know, burning down the streets, you know, Black 300 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: Lives Matter protests, you know. And at that point, you know, 301 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: like I said, I was in a master's in public 302 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 2: administration program. 303 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 3: So I was in this. 304 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: Program applying the coursework around sustainability and policy making and 305 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: you know, transformative leadership, uh, and all of that too. 306 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 2: My research regarding police and incarceration. I didn't start as 307 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: an abolitionist, but I knew something was not I knew 308 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: it was not working. I just didn't know it was 309 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: on the other side. 310 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 3: And so. 311 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: Through that coursework, I also recognized the history of you know, 312 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: one step forward, four steps back or four steps pushback. Really, 313 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: you know, like slavery ended. Okay, here's Jim Crown, segregation, 314 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: you know, civil rights movement. Okay, now we're gonna you know, 315 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: the drug war, war on gangs, We're gonna you know, 316 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: mass incarceration, lock everybody up, you know, and there's a 317 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: lot of stuff in between. 318 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 3: But but but but seeing. 319 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: That and you know, defund the police, you know, Black 320 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: Lives Matter with huge like global support for this movement. 321 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: And then okay, here's the anti CRT bills and now 322 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 2: we're you know, affirmative action, like all of it is 323 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: all like backlash for that, so, you know, reconciling it. 324 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: Like for me, there was nothing to reconcile. It was 325 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 2: like I knew that, you know, one and three. 326 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 3: Didn't equal to and and. 327 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: You know, the math was not math. The math was 328 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: not mad then mad. 329 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: No, and and so and then the fact that again 330 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: you know, mainstream media was allowing the both sides argument 331 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: and not really checking people. 332 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 3: And I, you know, I. 333 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: Agree, Like you know, Alex Vitali is in the film, 334 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 2: and he's uh, he spent thirty forty years working with 335 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 2: law enforcement. He wrote a book called The End of Policing, 336 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 2: which basically the thesis of the book is that the 337 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: culture of policing is what's messed up, and you can't 338 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: reform it. Like there's no reform because of you know, 339 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 2: how it was constructed, why it was constructed, why it exists, 340 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 2: and and the all the and the culture of it. 341 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: And he was even saying, you know, there was a 342 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: certain point where mainstream media stopped calling him for interviews 343 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 2: because they don't want to know, or they don't want 344 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: it to get out, or there's you know, if you 345 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: follow the money, you know, the people that are investing 346 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 2: in in the like the corporate investors into media, like 347 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: they don't want that, Like they're they're fine being protected 348 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: making their you know, millions and billions of dollars. So yeah, 349 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: it's you know, there's a I think though, with a 350 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: lot of the gen Z folks that I'm meeting that 351 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 2: are activists that are getting into politics, there's definitely a fire. 352 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: Uh and. 353 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: Like the the knowledge and the education, the lived experience. 354 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: Also you know, growing up in a you know, much 355 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: more diverse country, you know than even than I did, 356 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 2: even so I you know, I think that there's a 357 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: lot potentially with them that will you know, change things. 358 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: It's just a matter of how far are we going 359 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: to let you know, the the cart with the wheels, 360 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: you know, off it like well like even today, like 361 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: there was another uh, we're taping this when when Trump 362 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 2: got the letter you know, of of the the January 363 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: sixth indictment that's coming, Like why why is like why 364 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: is he not in jail? Why is he still out 365 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 2: you know, getting to say whatever he wants. 366 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: I I literally just tweeted it and I said, you know, 367 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: if you want a picture of how broken our justice 368 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: system is, understand that Donald Trump is a wealthy white 369 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: man in America with thirty plus indictments against him and 370 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: is golfing and is walking around free. There is not 371 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: a person of color. There is not a low income person. 372 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: There is not a queer person or a trans person. 373 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: There's not a Muslim person, and the list goes on 374 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: and on. Who would have that same list of indictments 375 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: against them and not be in a jail? Right now? 376 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: You know what is your hope? Because here here's the 377 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: thing that I struggle with as a person in media, 378 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: which is that I do this show and other shows 379 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: because I believe in the power of media to be 380 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: able to shift hearts and minds. I believe in the 381 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: power of media to be able to shake people out 382 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: of unc consciousness into consciousness. At the same time, though, 383 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: I get exasperated by mainstream media and the fact that 384 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: I know that a majority of people in this country 385 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: do not know how policing started. I know that a 386 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,239 Speaker 1: majority of people in this country do not know that 387 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: policing came out of Salave patrols, right, and that if 388 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: we actually knew that history, then maybe we could imagine 389 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: policing that looks different, that doesn't see black bodies as targets, right, 390 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: as criminals by virtue of just existing. And so I like, 391 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: what are your hopes for the ways that you can 392 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: utilize this documentary, this piece of media as a tool 393 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: in creating more clarity where purposeful ignorance has been. 394 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think one of the things in seeing 395 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 2: the response to the film thus far, and we you know, 396 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: we premiered in February third of this year at the 397 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: San Pedro Film Festival, and since that time we've done 398 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 2: a bunch of festivals but also community impact screenings and 399 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 2: right around around one thousand people have seen the film 400 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: since February, and that's in cities across the US. That's 401 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 2: with you know, forty plus social justice organizations and community 402 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: organizations hosting screenings, you know, rooms full of you know, 403 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: anywhere between sixty and one hundred and eighty people, like 404 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 2: Memphis we had one hundred and eighty people. And so 405 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: the feedback to the film's been great. But what's what 406 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: really stood out to me is the handful of folks 407 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: who have said afterwards, you know, I was afraid of 408 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 2: defund the police, or I didn't know. I knew there 409 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: were problems, I didn't know how to explain, you know, 410 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: what the problems and solutions are. I saw your film, 411 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: I understand. I went and I talked to my I 412 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: went and I talked to my book club. I went 413 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: and I you know, I'm now I want to join 414 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: you know, an organization and be active. And so the 415 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 2: educational component of the film which people have shared is 416 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: really accessible. It's really you know, digestible and easy to 417 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 2: understand and really clear. You know, what the harms are, 418 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: why the harms persist, why we think this is the 419 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: only solution, and then here are the alternatives. Really connects 420 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: with people, and so you know, regarding the film, it's 421 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 2: you know, for me, it's like the more people that 422 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: can see it, the better, not because I'm the filmmaker, 423 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: but because the message and the people in the film 424 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 2: and what's at stake, you know, literally lives at stake. 425 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 2: So that's that's my you know, my perspective. And as 426 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 2: far as hope, you know, I had a one of 427 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: my friends is on the West Hollywood City Council and 428 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: we were talking about this when I was editing the film, 429 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 2: and she's like, do you still have hope you know 430 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: for society and you know, like post COVID and post 431 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: you know, the election in January sixth and George Floyd 432 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: and all of that. 433 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: Like I had to think about that. 434 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: And the reality is if I didn't have hope, I 435 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: would probably be doing this anyway, because you know. 436 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 3: It needs to be done. 437 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: But I believe that at our core, people we really 438 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: want to love and feel loved and be you know, 439 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: feel a part of a community. And you know this 440 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: comes from I worked in conflict resolution. I still do 441 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: and you know, relationships and communication and that sort of thing. 442 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: And I think at our core, when we can get 443 00:28:53,240 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: our fears and you know, our survival stuff, you know, 444 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: out of the way and really connect with one another. 445 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: And I've seen this, you know, then then we can 446 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: actually work together and things get better, you know. It 447 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: just it's just a matter of like there's there's a 448 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: lot in the way with you know, certain parts of 449 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: our society right now. 450 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, I have I have hope. 451 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 2: I believe that if you know, the easier it is 452 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: for people to connect with another person's lived experience, the 453 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: better shot that we have of changing things for the better. 454 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: Well, Matthew, I can't thank you enough one for making 455 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: the time to join the show, but two for creating 456 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: this documentary, for for lifting up the voices that are 457 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: in this documentary reimagining safety, and you know, just bringing 458 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: attention to the fact that if we don't begin to reimagine, 459 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: if we don't fight to reimagine, then we just to 460 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: succumb to the status quo. And so I really, you know, 461 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: I am grateful for for people like you that have 462 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,239 Speaker 1: a vision and a purpose and share it with the 463 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: rest of us. 464 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. 465 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: And the status quot just like it doesn't stay static either, 466 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: Like status quo takes us back and we'll just get worse. 467 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: And that that's another thing. It's like, you know, if 468 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: you're not if you're not growing, you're dying is an 469 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: expression I've heard, and so yeah, I just wanted to 470 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: add that. But thank you so much for having me on. 471 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on Woke 472 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: a f as always, Power to the people and to 473 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: all the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.