WEBVTT - Clue(do): Third Best Board Game Ever 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:07.200 Welcome to stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.040 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck. 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.400 And guess what. Jerry's here too. And I'll tell you what. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.279 Jerry will be the one who murdered us if we 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:25.520 ever turn up dead in a lounge, ballroom, conservatory. And 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.760 she'll probably have used a lead pipe, because Jerry carries 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:30.479 a lead pipe with her at all times. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.000 That her nickname is miss Scarlett. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.320 Yeah, she makes us call her Miss Scarlett. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.320 I have to say, this feels like a chuck pick 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:43.320 through and through. But it was your pick, so I 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.680 have to ask right away if you are a cluist. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.720 I'm not directly, Oh, historically, yes, it's one of my 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:50.840 favorite games of all time. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.080 Oh great, me a lot. All right, Well, we're gonna 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.320 have fun talking about this then, man, I love Clue. 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.000 As a matter of fact, I went on eBay and 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.720 made a low offer on a complete nineteen seventy two 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.399 edition of Clue, which is the one I grew up with. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:08.360 Oh yeah, I was like, I guess I had the 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.080 eighty six and I looked. I was like, nope, that's 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.080 not It went a little further back eighteen seventy two. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.840 I just sort of drooling from nostalgia. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.680 Yeah, it's the seventy two. If you're in our age bracket, 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.839 the seventy two version is a very very nostalgic sort 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.960 of like it's just very evocative. It brings out and 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.759 smells in your brain and like fights your parents are 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.039 having in the other room, and oh, like cartoons that 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.160 are on. It's like, it's it's it hits hard. I 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.320 was very disappointed because I went to find out. I 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.400 was like, man, who, who are those models? 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:41.600 Now? 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:42.520 Who took that picture? 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:42.800 Like? 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.640 I was really curious. Yeah, and I found a thing 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.000 on medium that I didn't It's a it's a spoof, right, 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:49.640 it has to be. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.760 Yeah. I was like, oh my god, any leave of it. 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:54.360 I took that picture. 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.280 Yeah, once you start reading it, though, I was like, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.520 wait a minute. I was so disappointed because I I 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.120 even went to read it, and I don't know, I 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.480 couldn't find out any information on who those people were 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:06.320 or how that went down. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.640 I mean, it's just such an arcane thing to spoof. 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.160 It was called an Oral History of the photo Shoot 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.840 for the nineteen seventy two cover of Clue. 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.000 How excited were you when you read that title? 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.519 Yeah, I was like, this is some good this is 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.520 good treasure right here. Yeah, and then I thought, wow, 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.720 Anti leboit's like, shook that picture now. So whoever wrote that, 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.120 if you're out there, you got us. 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.119 Both, yeah, and shame on you. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.440 So we're talking about Clue the game. If you're in 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.480 the UK and you're like, what is this clue they're 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:41.239 talking about, allow us to also call it cluteau. Clue 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.440 is way better a name for it, but Cluteo is 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.920 what it's called basically outside of North America. 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:46.720 Yeah. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.160 And the reason that you would qualify outside of North 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.079 America is because it's a big hit all over the country. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:59.040 It's translated into Spanish, Swiss, well you know those two, 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:00.440 among other languages. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:03.920 I think we should go back in time. It's one 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.959 of the great games of all time and talk a 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.239 little bit about the invention of Clue, because it's a 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.280 pretty good story. There was a guy named Anthony Pratt 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.519 Anthony E. Pratt, not to be confused with the other 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:15.400 Anthony Pratt. 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.200 Why is that name sound familiar? 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.920 I don't know. You may be thinking Chris Pratt. Well, 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:23.880 I think Anthony Pratt's a politician of some kinds. 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.000 Okay, that might be it. No, I know who Chris 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.800 Pratt is, Well, I don't know. 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.880 Anthony E. Pratt was born in Birmingham near Birmingham in 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:36.040 nineteen oh three, England that is, and as he was 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:40.840 a high school dropout professional piano player, and during World 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:44.080 War One when he was but a young teen, the 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.080 story goes that he and his friends would sit around 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:51.080 and play what he called a stupid game called murder, 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.680 where guests crept up on each other in corridors and 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.480 the victim would shriek and fall on the floor. And 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:02.880 apparently post high school years was a traveling piano player 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.800 that would play at these sort of ritzy country hotels 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.280 where guests in the hotel would put this on at like, 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.760 you know, murder Mystery Night, and it was a thing. 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.600 It's still a thing, Murder Mystery Night, and it's you know, 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:17.760 it's sort of one of my favorite kinds of books 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.200 in movies, like the Knives Out kind of thing. And 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.640 he and his friends were doing this as teenagers. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.800 Yeah, and apparently he didn't like that, Like you said, 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.440 he didn't like the game murder, but he did like 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.800 the ones they put on at hotels. He didn't like 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.360 Agatha Christie, which is kind of surprising because if his 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.400 game can be compared to anybody's books, it's Agatha Christie's 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:42.040 for sure. And so that was the Inner War period. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:46.479 During World War Two, nineteen forty three found him working 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.919 as a law clerk. He also worked in a munitions 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.440 factory as well. And because there are blackouts at night, 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:58.000 because the UK was getting bombed on the regular, you 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.000 didn't you couldn't go out. There's nothing to do. People 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:01.560 and come over. You didn't do anything. You just hung 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.320 out with your family. And luckily he and his wife 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:10.280 had a gaming streak I guess with in common because 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.280 if you think about it, it's very rare to sit 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.039 down and come up with a board game, even in 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.240 that situation, like it just takes a certain person. And 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:22.320 you put Elva and Anthony Pratt together in blackout conditions 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.560 in nineteen forty three and they're going to come up 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:25.200 with clue. 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.800 Yeah. Originally they called it murder. Still this time with 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:34.400 an exclamation point, almost an apostrophe. It was called murder, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.159 and he thought, and they thought rather. I think she 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.560 designed some of the artwork and stuff in the original 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:44.599 rooms and things like that and worked on the gameplay together. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.960 But he knew that like you can sell board games 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.880 because he actually had a friend named Jeffrey Bull who 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.359 sold the game to Waddington's Games of London, so he 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.120 was like, you know, we can actually sell this thing, 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.520 like we're not just creating a fun game for our family. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:03.719 And that first initial game had ten characters. One was 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.520 randomly chosen as the victim, which is a little different 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.720 than the clue that we know and love, and there 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.120 were nine weapons. The ones that were different that I 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.120 think are still kind of fun are a bomb that 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.000 would just be a fun little game piece, I think 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:23.840 like a classic cartoon like round fused bomb, a hypodermic 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.640 syringe kind of dark, a poison bottle which is pretty 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.919 obvious for a murder mystery. And then an Irish shiale, 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.000 which is would be really kind of cool to have today. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:36.479 If you don't know what that is, it was. It 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.599 sort of looks like a cane and later you could 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.040 function it as a cane, but what it really was 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.760 was early Irish stick fighting. It's a cudgel in you know, 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.359 it's like a cane with a larger ball on the 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.440 end where your hand would be the business end. Yeah. 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.080 So just like if you look at the Boston Celtic's logo, 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:58.880 that cane that little Celtic has is in fact a schileela. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.800 Yeah that's right. Yeah, nice description of that chuck. Where 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:04.200 do you go? 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.359 Yeah? I didn't know stick fighting was a thing. I 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.080 kind of went down a rabbit hole and apparently it 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.240 was a stick to fight with it first, but then 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.360 later on it was just like, oh no, this is 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:17.040 just my cane. Whack whack, No, gotcha, that kind of thing. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.880 So something I thought was pretty sweet was that the 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.840 Pratts managed to get a meeting with the people at 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:29.000 Wattington's thanks to their friend the Bulls, Jeffrey Bull and 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.680 his wife and the Bulls went with them to that 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.840 meeting and they all sat down and played this game 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:39.480 murder together, and basically on the spot, Waddington's was like, 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.560 we'll take it. In nineteen forty five, they came up 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.400 with an agreement to produce the game. Anthony Pratt got 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.840 a patent for it in nineteen forty seven. But again, 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.320 because the UK was getting bombed on the regular during 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.480 World War Two and there was a War going on, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.040 it was kind of difficult to come by some of 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.360 the material needed, so it kind of got its start 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.960 and fits and starts really kind of beginning around nineteen 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:06.640 forty nine. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.320 Yeah, they named it Cluto, like you said, spelled like 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:14.080 clue with do o at the end. That is Latin 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:18.600 for iplay. And there's also a game called Ludo in Britain. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.720 It's like a par cheesy game. So I guess they 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.600 thought it had some just name appeal or whatever. I 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.600 guess would be my guest, because Cluto doesn't make any. 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.520 Sense, not in North America. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.840 No, right, well, I mean, but was it even a 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:33.320 word there? 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:36.120 No, it was a made up word. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.400 Yeah, it didn't make sense then either. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.320 So that was Waddington's take on it, and Parker Brothers 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.600 is like, that's lame, Wattington's you're our partner in the UK, 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.600 but we're gonna name it Clue. And they produced a 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:53.920 slightly different version I think, for example, in Cludo. In 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.520 the original Cludo, mister Green here in the United States 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.160 was called Reverend Green. There the little differences like that 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.400 that you would pick up on depending on whether you 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.440 lived in the United States or Great Britain and then 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:13.319 I think the actual house that it's modeled on also 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:19.040 distinguished the two games. In the UK version, supposedly it 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.959 was inspired by a mansion in Sussex called Tudor Close 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.800 and still around. You can see pictures of Tudor Close. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.000 But one of the things that supports the idea is 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.880 that in nineteen thirty seven it was renovated to include 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.320 a billiard's room in a ballroom. And then for the 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:39.320 American version, it was supposedly inspired by the house of 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:44.199 George Parker, founder of Parker Brothers Games, who had an 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.959 estate that he bought in New Hampshire in nineteen twenty five, 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.280 and it bore some resemblance to it as well. That 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:51.520 house is still around too. 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.160 Yeah, but I think you and I agree that there 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.960 is only one clue house, and that is the one 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.560 on the cover of the nineteen seventy two American Board 0:09:58.559 --> 0:09:59.040 Game edition. 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.160 Absolutely true, that's the house. 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.280 I'm not sure where it is because medium tricked me. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:09.400 I know, still salty about that. So in nineteen fifty three, 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:15.680 Pratt sold his overseas sales rights for five thousand pounds, 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.199 which would be one hundred little over one hundred and 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:23.520 sixteen thousand pounds today, good chunk of change, although he 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.559 would complain and I think has a very good point 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.600 that like, hey, they didn't tell me they were already 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.800 selling it over there. That's a great point, and that 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.120 it was super popular, so it probably and it seems 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.679 like a sort of a lifelong thing with he and 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.040 his wife Elda, that they never got the money they 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.960 should have gotten. But it was it was enough money 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.240 at the time, in one chunk to be able to 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.680 quit his job and play piano full time. And he 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.360 was getting those mailbox checks from the domestic UK sales. 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.640 Yeah, it was worth about one hundred and sixteen thousand 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.160 pounds in today's money or one hundred and forty seven 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.960 thousand US dollars. Not enough to retire on, but he 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.719 apparently retired on it. And like you said, he was 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.240 getting those mailbox checks too, but they were set to 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.360 expire in nineteen sixty one, and supposedly the Independent termed 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.240 evidence that it might have been extended up to four years, 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.160 so at the latest he stopped getting checks in nineteen 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.120 sixty five, and he lived until nineteen ninety four, so 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.760 he had to make do all over again. It was 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.880 a fortune a mild fortune that he made and then 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.240 you know, just kind of lived on and had to 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:27.480 go back to work eventually. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.760 Yeah, like he should have been getting checked till the 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:32.360 day he died. 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.400 Absolutely, And I mean like in Waddington's not informing him 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:40.560 that Clue was Gangbusters over there. It's like, yes, if 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.640 you're a business mind, you could be like, yeah, that's business. 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.800 It's called doing your due diligence. If you're Anthony Pratt 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.640 and it's nineteen fifty three, how are you going to 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.440 find out what the sales are from Parker Brothers of 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.640 Clue in North America? If you don't even have a 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.840 clue that you're the American version of Clue is selling 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.080 like Gangbusters over there, you probably I don't know how 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:02.240 you would even find that out. 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.880 No, he was taking advantage of I think so. I 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:11.240 think that's might His daughter still lives today. Marcia Davies 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.960 has been on record saying and interviewed like that. You know, 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.839 it's not like we talked about Cludo much in our house. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.560 My mom would grouse about it occasionally that they didn't 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.880 get the money they should have gotten from it. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.200 It's a what word grouse? 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.160 Yeah, it's a good word, yeah, double meaning to what. 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.079 That it's a birdend yeah, attitude. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:42.160 Yeah absolutely. Here is what it says on and there's 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.440 a little story I'll let you tell afterward. But like 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.959 you said, he died ninety four and on his grave 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.960 it says a very dear father. Anthony E. Pratt born 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.520 ten August nineteen oh three died nine April nineteen ninety four, 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:58.440 inventor of Cludo, sadly missed. I really wish that she 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.640 had put, you know, killed by miss Scarlett in the 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:01.960 conservatory with a lead pipe. 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.520 That would have been awesome, just for fine, for sure. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:10.720 Apparently he died in such obscurity that Waddington's had no 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.360 idea that he was dead for three years. And there's 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.440 no telling if they ever really would have found out 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.280 had they not been searching for him to celebrate Cludo's 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:26.120 one hundred and fifty one hundred and fifty millionth sale. Yeah, 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.079 and they put out a press release telling the public like, hey, 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.000 we're looking for this guy. The title of the press 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:36.480 release was wanted Colon for murder most Enjoyable. And apparently 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.960 the person who ran the cemetery that he's buried in 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.960 knew that he was buried there and got in touch 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.120 with Waddington's and said, don't waste your time. Man. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.360 That whole thing just really upsets me. 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.920 It is kind of upsetting. There's nothing really good about 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:54.480 the Anthony Pratt story. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.040 Yeah, because like, first of all, they I think misled him, 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.280 and then you know, hey, he's an old man. Let's 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.000 rub in the fact that we've sold one hundred and 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.680 fifty million of these games, right, sure that he didn't 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.880 have a piece of so like, let's find him. Yeah, 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:10.720 and they're like, he's been dead for three years. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.040 Even worse than that, Chuck, I read that they petitioned 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.160 to exume him, to bring him to the celebration anyway. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:22.120 Following I've read that medium, I mean, he should be 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.480 ground in, Like they should have a statue of him 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.360 at Waddington's. 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.880 For sure, because the reason why not just because we're 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:34.520 Clue fans, but because it's According to fun dot Com, 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.960 among other sources, it's probably the fifth most popular board 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.720 game of all time, and that includes not just like 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.320 Monopoly and scrabble, We're talking about chess and checkers. It's 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.200 in the top five with chess and checkers that have 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.840 been around for thousands of years, so it was like 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.520 a huge blockbuster game. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.960 Yeah, I'm gonna call it the third I don't even 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:57.400 that should just be for branded games. 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.960 I agree with you. I totally think that sucker stuff 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:02.240 calling chess and check her. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.600 So I say it's the third most popular game of 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.880 all time. We did a Monopoly episode. What's the other one? Scrabble? Yeah, yeah, 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.280 we should probably do a Scrabble app at some point. Okay, 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.560 maybe we can get Hodgman to make a rare guest appearance. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.280 Yeah rare, but everyone on Reddit gets mad at every 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:19.320 time I say the name Hodgman. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.360 It's awesome. That must have been a very enlightening experience. 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.200 Huh, short lived, my friends. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.440 So, Chuck, I say that we take a little break 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:31.840 and when we come back, we talk about how to 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:36.240 actually play Clue as cobbled together from people who know 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:37.240 what they're talking about. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:51.720 Let's do it. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:16:00.280 So my one regret is that I didn't get it 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:04.000 together enough because we were on tour to play Clue 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.800 before this game, before this recording. Because I haven't played 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.640 it in a long time. Emily and I used to 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:18.800 play Monoy Mono Clue. Oh well, and can we quit? Yeah? Okay, 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.520 it's not as fun. Okay, and it's certainly not fun 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.280 to play with Emily because she feels like she has 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:31.600 a sort of patented foolproof victory route. Oh yeah, she 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.520 has a methodology that she will not tell me what 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.320 it is, and she's she beat me every time. So 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:39.080 we just quit playing. 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:41.920 That was like you, me and me with backgammon? 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:46.000 Who won? You and me? And she has a thing like. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.520 Yeah, she was like, it's the strategy of back strategy, 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.600 not like it's a secret or anything. She's like, I 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.640 just figured it out, and I still have never figured 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.080 it out. So we just stopped playing. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.240 Well, maybe we'll all get together, they can just play 0:16:58.240 --> 0:16:59.920 each other in games and we'll just sit around and 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:00.640 have a cocktail. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.920 That sounds like a great idea, man, because. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.840 I'm not competitive like that. I am not either. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.200 It's been so long since I played a board game 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.120 I don't remember fully, and it seems like I could 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.080 be competitive. But okay, I think I was competitive at 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:15.880 trivial pursuit. 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.000 Yeah. I mean I love board games. I just never 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.040 play the much anymore because we don't have a lot 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.760 of friends who are like, hey, let's have board game night. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:24.959 But I'd totally be into it. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:26.399 Yeah, totally for sure. 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:27.880 All right, So let's talk clue. 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.760 Eh oh yeah, So in the Classic Clue game, there's 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.520 so many variations on it that are slightly different. Some 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:39.240 have like extra like cards to them, or the names 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.280 of the characters are a little different. But if you 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.119 just look at the basic Classic Clue, which that's what 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:44.960 we're going to talk. 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.600 About, nineteen seventy. 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.120 Two, seventy two, eighty six, twenty twenty three, even they 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:54.320 re updated the classic version. But you're supposed to play 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.400 with three to six players, and clearly you can play 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.560 with two. I've seen in places you can play with two. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.480 But if you look at the instructions, it says three 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.720 to six players ages eight and up. And if you're 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.040 seven and a half im precocious, maybe you get a pass, 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.240 but really you don't want to play with anybody under eight. Typically. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.600 Yeah, I'm curious if Ruby would be into this. We'll 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:17.399 have to give it a shot. 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.119 Okay, fair enough. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.880 Yeah, so eight and up, what you do is you 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.960 choose to be the identity of one of six people. 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:31.520 Colonel Mustard, yeah, the Colonel, the Good Colonel, Miss Peacock, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.800 Professor Plum, missus White, mister Green, and of course miss 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.280 Scarlett who as a young Baptist boy that seventy two clue. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:42.280 I looked at her picture quite a bit. 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.480 She's very attractive, for sure. So who were you? Who 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.800 did you pick? Normally? Was there like one character for 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:48.760 you when you're you know. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.600 I don't remember having a favorite now that I think 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:53.320 about it, did you? 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:54.520 Professor Plumb? 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:56.280 Okay, that fits. 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.679 I just like the name, and the color is pretty too, 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.440 But for some reason, it's it's like cellar door for 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.400 me kind of yeah, and. 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:07.040 You were you know, you're a literary sort of type, 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:07.760 were you back then? 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.520 No? No, I like to read, but I would not 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.639 call myself the literary. I didn't become pretentious until much later. 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.800 And like, yeah, like they didn't have Joe the Plumber. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:23.399 So right, So there's six murder weapons, right, six suspects, 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:27.520 six murder weapons in the classic game, the knife, the revolver, 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:31.679 the wrench, ouch, the rope, the candlestick, and the lead pipe. 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.680 A lot of head trauma among these, you. 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.440 Know, yeah, four of them are are are whackers. 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:43.760 Huh exactly? No shell Ailey, But still it gets the 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:44.440 point across. 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.320 And I guess three of them are technically whackers. 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:49.760 What the candlestick, the wrench in the lead. 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.800 Pipe, Yeah, because the rope is is a choker, revolver 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.000 is a shooter, and the knife is a stabber. Right, 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.679 so I overshot it by one. Although you could hit 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.160 somebody with a rope or the butt of a gun. 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.520 Right, Or if you have a candle in the candlestick, 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:04.600 you could light them on fire. 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.360 Ah, good point, or you could do some creative things 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:08.920 that lit bike. 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:10.720 Yeah, I'm saying you could use it as a blowgun. 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.920 Oh, yeah, absolutely, although it's. 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.440 Bent in the game, so it probably wouldn't work very well. Yeah, 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.439 although you could use it to shoot around a corner. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:25.920 So there's also nine rooms on the board, right, and 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:29.679 there's the hall, the lounge, the dining room, the kitchen, 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.840 the ballroom, the conservatory, the library, and the study. And 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:37.360 this was where I learned about manor houses and general 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:41.600