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Speaker 2: Or Barack Obama OVERACKA. What if I told you there

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Speaker 2: was more to the story behind game changing events? Get

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Speaker 2: ready for my new podcast, That Moment with Damon John

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Speaker 2: will jump into the personal stories of some of the

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Speaker 2: most influential people on the planet, from business mobiles and

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Speaker 2: celebrities to athletes and artists. Let's get into it. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to That Moment with Damon John. I could run across

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Speaker 2: all this man's accolades and I will. You know, I

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Speaker 2: don't want you to feel like you don't know who

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Speaker 2: and this is not his career. You're sixty three and

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Speaker 2: you compete currently in explain to me natural bodybuilding.

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Speaker 1: So there's a couple of natural bodybuilding federations. I'm a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, you got into in your late thirty We're

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Speaker 2: I'm told that you lose I don't know, three to

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of people and natural bodybuilding

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Speaker 2: break it down. Award winning multimedia journalist Senior Vice President

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Speaker 2: Executive editor of Black Enterprise, Alfred Edmunds Junior not wildly

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Speaker 2: for your expertise on business, economic trends, entrepreneurship, personal finance leadership.

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Speaker 2: You are a speaker. You speak on global stages. You

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Speaker 2: are somebody that I'm constantly like, Man, we got to

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Speaker 2: and people are telling you their problems and you're extracting

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Speaker 2: so you know, you also let me look at it here.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm kind of reading stuff, but I kind

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Speaker 2: want to like to read this stuff, but you you know.

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Speaker 2: You also co produce and host Black in the product

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Speaker 2: interview series Beyond the Hype and Your Money. You're like

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Speaker 2: while co hosting or with co hosts, BU lifted Up,

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Speaker 2: listeners to commit to smart financial choices and the creation

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Speaker 2: member of Pharrell Williams Black Ambition, nonprofit initiatives to support

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Speaker 2: all right, man, well, thank you for being.

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Speaker 1: That is a big reason why Black enterprise and you know,

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Speaker 2: Why would why would you still be in that business?

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Speaker 2: And what is making you? What are the core values

432
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Speaker 2: that you have? It still makes that content something that

433
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Speaker 2: I'm searching for because you've been doing it for a

434
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Speaker 2: long time. You're keeping the lights on them in the house.

435
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: You're actually doing very very well in life. What what

436
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: has changed? How did you change? What? And what is

437
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 2: the fundamentals? Because right now I want to know how

438
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Speaker 2: to do all this stuff.

439
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: I don't confuse what I do with how I do it.

440
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: And here's what I mean. Like you said, everything has changed.

441
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: I started out and when I talk about the real

442
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: beginning of my career as a college newspaper editor, you know,

443
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: when I was an undergrad at Rutgers University, I've forgotten

444
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: most of what I learned then because it's useless. You know,

445
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Speaker 1: it's useless to me to know how to lay out

446
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: a newspaper type, set type, and use wax to do

447
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: a layout on a I don't even want to talk

448
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: about it because it doesn't even make sense in today's context.

449
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: But my point is, what was a gift for me,

450
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: though I didn't realize that at the time, is that

451
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: I did not major in journalism. I did not study

452
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Speaker 1: journalism formally. My degree is actually in art. My degrees

453
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: in studio art. I minded the economics, never thought i'd

454
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Speaker 1: use it. Of course I got the Black Enterprise that

455
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: came in Andy, but I was more focused on what

456
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Speaker 1: the mission was, which is to inform people, less about

457
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: how I did it, meaning newspapers versus magazines, versus radio,

458
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: versus print, and so as a result, as technology changed

459
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: our business as a media company, it was easy for

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Speaker 1: me to change with it because I don't care whether

461
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Speaker 1: I deliver the information as print on paper or video

462
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: on the website, as long as the information gets delivered.

463
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 1: The ability to adapt your skill set to different modes

465
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Speaker 1: of delivery is what's kept me relevant now, you know,

466
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: almost forty years into my career, and is what's kept

467
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: Black Enterprise and business because if Black Enterprise has said

468
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Speaker 1: all we do is print on paper, that's how we

469
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Speaker 1: distribute information, and the rest of the world is saying

470
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Speaker 1: I don't want final records anymore because that's the fine records.

471
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Speaker 1: This is great, your music is great, but I want

472
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Speaker 1: it on cassette, on CD, and now I want it

473
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Speaker 1: streaming to my phone or to my car. The Black

474
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Speaker 1: Enterprise is still standing today, and I give all the

475
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Speaker 1: print in the world to our founder, Earl Graves, they

476
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Speaker 1: founder who passed away in twenty twenty, who didn't understand

477
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: what was going on but kind of let us run

478
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Speaker 1: us young guys run with it. And of course our

479
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Speaker 1: current CEO, Butch Graves, who had to have the courage

480
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Speaker 1: to make the painful transition. It took us a decade

481
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Speaker 1: to do it for being primarily a print media company

482
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Speaker 1: to what we are now, which is a digital and

483
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Speaker 1: a digital media invest company. But you had to be

484
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Speaker 1: willing to say our mission hasn't changed. What we do

485
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: hasn't changed, but how we do it has changed. And

486
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: people become obsolete when they become and businesses as well

487
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: as you know, become obsolete when they become too invested

488
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Speaker 1: in this is how we do this. We don't do

489
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Speaker 1: it this way, we do it that way. And then.

490
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Speaker 2: And I want people to tell I want people because

491
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: some people listen like like there's a bunch of people

492
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Speaker 2: right now who's eyes a gloss so and they're yeah,

493
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: I get to talk about magazine, but they don't realize.

494
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: And this is the difference I find in successful people

495
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: and non successful people. Successful people will stop and listen

496
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: to anybody because of you know, if you've been in

497
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 2: this business for it been thirty years, twenty five, I'm

498
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 2: not sure how many how many been in this business.

499
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Speaker 2: If you've been in there twenty six years and you

500
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Speaker 2: still have a magazine that has gone through all of them, nepershon,

501
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: and you're saying this information, there must be something there

502
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Speaker 2: that I can apply. And if I was somebody, you know,

503
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: the ignorant people, the people who you know, watch life happen,

504
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: would listen to you, go, oh, you're talking about magazine,

505
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: but you're not. Because if black entreneurial let's say, let's

506
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Speaker 2: let's use the New York Times. If somebody happened not

507
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Speaker 2: to know the very legendary book that you work, that

508
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: you that you are part of, if they thought that

509
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 2: the New York Times, I don't even know if they

510
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: sell newspapers anymore. Right, However, they're doing really well, right,

511
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 2: so whether they are stamping, whether a book comes out

512
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: and it's of value, because they're saying to you, we

513
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: are our content is to judge the best content, whether

514
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: they are you're getting your stuff on your device on

515
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: breaking stories, whether you're the person who still likes the

516
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Speaker 2: old newspaper you want to laid all out, whether you're

517
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Speaker 2: doing a New York Times content series or you know,

518
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: a Black Enterprise content series. They're taking the information and

519
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: putting in viarious ways. Now who can learn from that? Well,

520
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: it's a person right now who's saying, you know, I

521
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: am a company in fubl and we sell shirts and

522
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Speaker 2: we don't yeh, we sell all the lifestyle right. We

523
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: don't sell shirts, right because if Fuble wanted to do

524
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Speaker 2: something on brand a different category and sell healthy throws

525
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: in soul food because we know that African Americans and

526
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Speaker 2: your soul food have a higher concentration of salt. We

527
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Speaker 2: do not want people to enjoy our our main cultural

528
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Speaker 2: food that comes from an African American based clothing company.

529
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Speaker 2: But we don't want you to die, so we want

530
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Speaker 2: to put maybe it's vegan and you know it's plant based,

531
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Speaker 2: excuse me, the the you know, not much salt continent,

532
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: but yet the flavor of whatever it is that's still

533
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Speaker 2: part of the brand that can expand and it's on

534
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: brand even though it's not shirts, it cares. It's something

535
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Speaker 2: that's based in African American founded company.

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Speaker 1: People, both individuals with huge companies, diffic mission that that

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Speaker 1: is not how you do it. It's the mission. We've

538
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Speaker 1: seen the example.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, look at Kodak. I mean, Kodak

540
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: was founded I think Eastman. Kodak was eighteen eighty eighteen

541
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Speaker 2: ninety imagine, and they had the first actual digital platform

542
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: out there. But they kept saying you need to come

543
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: to Kodak for the digital platform instead of absorbing an Instagram,

544
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Speaker 2: absorbing absorbing a Shutterfly and saying, you know what if

545
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Speaker 2: Instagram is a very visual platform and they can make filters,

546
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Speaker 2: Kodak filters and everything else, well why don't you look

547
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: at you know, why don't we absorb it? Because Instagram

548
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: will be Instagram powered by Kodak allow people to create

549
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Speaker 2: visual content.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's what it is.

551
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: How do you what do you tell people right now?

552
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: Who's like, when will I ever stop getting doubted? All

553
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: these home runs I have? And every time I have

554
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: a new damn home run ready to rock, I gotta

555
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: it feels like I gotta convince people even more right

556
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: because they go, now, you had your success already.

557
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: The way regularists said, never talk a deal to it's

558
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Speaker 1: done for me to be a good journalist. And since

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Speaker 1: then again I'm a great journalist. I went on to

560
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: become a great editor. I ran Black Enterprise for thirteen years.

561
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Speaker 1: We want all kinds of boards. But the lesson I

562
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: got from that moment was he said, never talk a

563
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Speaker 1: deal that it's done. I always say, never end someone's

564
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Speaker 1: story before it's done. You know, us journalists have a

565
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: lot of arrogance, like we'll covered something and like yeah, yeah,

566
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: you're done, You're done. Okay, cool, But as a young

567
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: journalists like, don't be so arrogant to think on how

568
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Speaker 1: their story is going to end. And you need to

569
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: be open been not just especially for black people, not

570
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Speaker 1: just for black people, but especially because we tend to

571
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Speaker 1: be counted out, especially because we tend to be underestimated

572
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Speaker 1: and dismissed. It became my personal commitment to say no,

573
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Speaker 1: no matter what a person does, I'm going to assume

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Speaker 1: that they can do more. Especially listen, white guys don't

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Speaker 1: get counted out by the time they're thirty. The way

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Speaker 1: we do, you know what I'm saying. Why would I

577
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Speaker 1: assume originally was I think it was in his early forties.

578
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: Why would anybody assume that that was the end when

579
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Speaker 1: he was that early in his career. Why would anybody.

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Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, because honestly, honestly, you shouldn't. You know, most

581
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: people only start succeeding.

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Speaker 1: And what they've learned, this is not just anecdotal. We

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Speaker 1: do our best work as human beings after the age

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Speaker 1: of fifty. We've learned from all the mistakes we've made

585
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: early in our We've built relationships over their time, we

586
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Speaker 1: got skill sets, we got resources. So if you look

587
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: at most of the multimillionaires and billionaires, they made their

588
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: first million somewhere in their late forties, and they got

589
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Speaker 1: into multimillionaire billionaire after age fifty.

590
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think Buffett, Warren Buffett didn't even start

591
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Speaker 2: to making that's gonna make it first million until fifty.

592
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Speaker 1: Something wrong to ourselves, especially as black men. They disservice.

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Speaker 1: And this is the other kind of negative side of

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Speaker 1: focus going to support the entertainment sports entertainment by its

595
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Speaker 1: very nature, if you haven't really made it by the

596
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Speaker 1: time you're twenty five, you're probably not going to make it.

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Speaker 2: So it is, yeah, because they make that they peak

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Speaker 2: at eighteen twenty twenty two. They have a difference than

599
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Speaker 2: most of us. And that's why a lot of people

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Speaker 2: and they're not but a lot of people call them

601
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Speaker 2: old dumb jobs. No, no, they peaked earlier. And tell

602
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: me how many mistakes you you made at twenty eight

603
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: years old with if you had thirty forty fifty million

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Speaker 2: in the bank at twenty eight years old. And and

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Speaker 2: by the way, you are the most brilliant person in

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Speaker 2: the world when it came to running, plays, nutrition for

607
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Speaker 2: your body, fighting people. You know, I don't know slalom

608
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Speaker 2: where you are? You are you are? You are practicing

609
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Speaker 2: four years to win over one milli second of the

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Speaker 2: best people on the planet. So there's there's no lack

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00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 2: of discipline these people. They just didn't happen to learn

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Speaker 2: like we did on another you know track.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know how to manage thirty five hundred

614
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Speaker 1: dollars when I was twenty five years old much, you know. So,

615
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Speaker 1: but if I messed up, it's only thirty five hundred dollars,

616
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: it's not many of the allion. So but but so

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Speaker 1: again it's being able to send that message when we're

618
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: talking about success over time, wealth building over time, business

619
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Speaker 1: building over time, the reason why we need to showcase

620
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: and tell one another yes, and even if you're successful

621
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Speaker 1: when you're twenty five or thirty, that's not all you

622
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: can do it and that's not all you should be

623
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Speaker 1: doing to be And again, the big lesson for me

624
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: was as a journalist, and it crossed over to every

625
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Speaker 1: aspect in my life because you know how big into

626
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: mentorship is. Don't count people out whether they succeeded early

627
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: or they had a big failure early. Success and excellence

628
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: is achieved over time and regular Lewis that experienced that

629
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: moment set my whole mindset as a journalist and an

630
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: entrepreneur and a professional, and it helped me break other stories.

631
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Speaker 1: It helped me to be a better leader, both in

632
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: media and out of media. And I could absolutely say, again,

633
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: I got promoted six months after I got the Black Enterprise.

634
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: I know that breaking that story is a big part

635
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: of it. I was at the Chief of Black Enterprise

636
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: by the time I was thirty five. I ran it

637
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Speaker 1: for thirteen years. I was the first edits to chief

638
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: of Black Enterprise dot Com I was the first chief contractice.

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00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: I can trace all the way that back to that

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00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: Regu Lewis story and breaking that story. And remember dam minute,

641
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: as I said, I did not study journalism in college.

642
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: I did not take one drenaline. Of course, I don't

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00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: have a Columbia j School degree. I don't have. You know,

644
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: I had a really good education at Rutgers University. But

645
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: on paper, I shouldn't be doing what I do now.

646
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Speaker 1: I should, And I'm a big believer in that that

647
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: you look for talent.

648
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 2: And you don't.

649
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, having credentials is good, having the right degrees is good.

650
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm not dismissing that. But if you stop there, you

651
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: will miss a lot of great stories and you will

652
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: underestimate a lot of people.

653
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Speaker 2: Let me let me and let me correct something I

654
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Speaker 2: said here. I want to make sure I to say

655
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Speaker 2: it correctly. I always want to check it out. Warm

656
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Speaker 2: buff at the first billion was when he was fifty six.

657
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: That means first billion. And obviously know that he's given

658
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Speaker 2: it all the way and made it all twice by

659
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: price as quick. But I would assume that he was

660
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: still you know, yeah, probably you know forties, you probably

661
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: didn't have much you know, thirty definitely didn't have much

662
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Speaker 2: Let me, let me. I got two other questions, and

663
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: I think that everybody can learn from these two because

664
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: that was a very special moment in your life. I

665
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: think that it really fueled you. But you learned a

666
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: lesson that we just shared.

667
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: You know.

668
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: You know, people will always say, oh, that was a

669
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Speaker 2: great success, You're not gonna do it again kind of

670
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Speaker 2: But what were you for? The for people who write now,

671
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: and all of us write, and there's fundamental rules, you know,

672
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: just like we know I'm speaking right, tell them, but

673
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna tell them, tell them, tell them what you

674
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: told them, and various other things. Right, what are the

675
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: core fundamentals do you think people should think about when

676
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: they're writing, either to a friend on social media, opening

677
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: a letter.

678
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: You know.

679
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: I touched on something the other day that I realized

680
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: a negotiational mind was taking several months. And I realized

681
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: that as social media and all the technology, even though

682
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: we're closer to each other, we're further apart because we're

683
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: hiding behind screens and emails. And I realized that in

684
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: my twenties, I used to write letters, used to say

685
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: something to the effect of, here is what I'm trying

686
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: to accomplish, and whatever I was trying to accomplish. I

687
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: was talking aulphidem means. I would say, I know you're this,

688
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: this and this, and I believe that, and I know

689
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: that you want to do this. Now I want to

690
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: help you as much as I can with what I

691
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: can do. It was always about you or what I'm

692
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish, and then I go into what I'm

693
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish, and then I finally say, and if

694
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Speaker 2: we can't accomplish this, thank you for your time able

695
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: to do something later. I you know, I really appreciate that.

696
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: So I sent an email really quick to my lawyers,

697
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: and they sent it to their lawyer or the lawyers,

698
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: and you know what, the deal that took me months

699
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: to try to negotiate was done in two hours because

700
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: everybody's on the same page of what I'm trying to accomplish.

701
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: What are the fundamentals if you can tell us of

702
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: really writing compelling content, whether you're writing it to me,

703
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: what one person or one million people.

704
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: Let me say this, it took me a while to

705
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: really become a really good writer because I wasn't formally trained.

706
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: I figured that I always had the talent for writing,

707
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: but the fundamental structuring of writing I frankly didn't really

708
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: get to. I got the Black Enterprise thanks to my

709
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: mentor show Here Tucker, who's a legend in the magazine business,

710
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: who started Here's how you organize your thoughts. I always say,

711
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: first of all, you want to write with the end

712
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: in mind? What is the ultimate message you're trying to

713
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: get through? What? What?

714
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: What are you?

715
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: Then boil it down to one sentence? What is it

716
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: actually you're trying to say?

717
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: Boil it down to one damn it? I wish I

718
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: wish people would know that one just talking? What are

719
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: you trying to stay?

720
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: What are the things? I will know when everything is

721
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: going on with Twitter, and obviously there's lots of changes

722
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: even being announced now. The thing I appreciated about Twitter

723
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: is it made me a better writer when you got

724
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts down into one hundred and forty characters. Yes,

725
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: what you gotta You gotta get rid of the bullshit

726
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: and get to what you're trying to say.

727
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: So is that a takeaway right there? Like starting where

728
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna staff?

729
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: Where's the destination? Where are you taking them? If you're.

730
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Speaker 2: M okay and directing and directing, they say, what is

731
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Speaker 2: the motivation for the light? Right, you'll you'll see something

732
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: you light on somebody? Well, is that light coming through

733
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Speaker 2: a broken window? Is it coming through somebody shining up

734
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Speaker 2: lashlight on you? Is it a TV in the background?

735
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: Is it?

736
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: You know? It's what is the motivating for the lights?

737
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Speaker 2: So you're saying, I finished the last one, and boom

738
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Speaker 2: boom boom boom bom.

739
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Speaker 1: It never made deadlines. She did not make deadlines because

740
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Speaker 1: she was not time conscious. She didn't know when the

741
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: story ended. She kept writing and writing and writing and writing,

742
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: and I fixed. I was like, where do people going?

743
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: If the destination of la why why are you taking

744
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: them from Chicago down Atlanta to get to l A.

745
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: Once you get your destination, then it becomes easier to

746
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: write because you start saying, well, I don't really need

747
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: to put this in there to get them there. I

748
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: only need that to get so this this idea of

749
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: destination focused writing, destination focused messaging. Like you said, with speaking,

750
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, you know very again, you're you're a world

751
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: nown global public speaker. You know what you really want

752
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: them to leave with when you walk in the door.

753
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: You don't you're gonna get on that stage and talk

754
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: a lot. Yes, people gonna leave cratching their heads. So

755
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: so that's the most important lesson I had to learn

756
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: very where do you know? What do you want them

757
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: to know?

758
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: I love it? I love it, I love it. And

759
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: you know, it's even about communication because when Clubhouse is

760
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: doing really well, all in the pandemic, you know, I

761
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: realized the best way to get people to ask the

762
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: proper question was to say, my question is because what

763
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: you're the Apples people, Hey, so I want to no, no, no, no,

764
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Speaker 2: open up your turn start off with my question? Is

765
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: so to elaborate on what you're saying because this is

766
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: one of those moments. I love that moment that I

767
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: am going to utilize what you just said about, you know,

768
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 2: having that land that final question? Where am I trying

769
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: to land that? I think there are two other things

770
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 2: of you know, what is your question and something else

771
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: you said in there that's critical whether you're a journalist

772
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: or whether you're communicating with somebody. Don't finish anybody else's

773
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: story or sentence. You're assuming great, that's not your right

774
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: to assume.

775
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: Are good listeners not good talkers? The best people at

776
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: communicating are the ones who actually talk the least and

777
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: listen the most, and who are able to suspend. It's

778
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: a part of the arrogance of journalism. It's also been law.

779
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: There's a couple other professions where we go by what

780
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: we think we already know. And one of the hardest

781
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: things to do, especially the more knowledge you get, is

782
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: not to get so in love with your own knowledge

783
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: that you think you know already. You think, look at

784
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: the arrogance of the average sports journalists who has never

785
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: didn't even make their freshmen basketball team, But well, why

786
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: you know, Stephan Stepan Carry didn't make that last time.

787
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: And this is what they have done. And you've seen

788
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: it again, even from black enterprise journalists, and but business

789
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: journalists in general who are trying. You've been interviewed by

790
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: journalists who have never ever had to be payroll, never

791
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: launched a business, never had to deal with it, never

792
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: had a sleepless night running a business. Who will come

793
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: and tell you what you should have done. And when

794
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: I was coaching my editor, I said, listen, have some respect.

795
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: You have never done what they do, whether they're successful

796
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: or where they fail. Don't assume you know. Let them

797
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: tell you this story, yes, back it up with your

798
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: own research, your own analysis, but don't get so arrogant

799
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: that you think you already know. The best communicators don't

800
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: walk in thinking they have all the answers. So that's

801
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: you're right, it's a great point. It's like you don't know.

802
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: Don't try to finish the story before it's done.

803
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: Be open, everybody. Just all you gotta do is remember

804
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: when you as a teenager and you walk in the

805
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: house and your mom will be like, everything okay, or

806
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: your wife, hey, yeah, well you been and you know

807
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: the ain't know already, or go check out first forty

808
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: eight when they bring Wendy's into the room or Chick

809
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: fil A into the room and those cops feel like,

810
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: we ain't gonna talk about much. Have some Chick fil A? Well,

811
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: you know what you're doing forty years and the air

812
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: because they listen, and if you're.

813
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: Doing all the talking, if you're making all the assumptions,

814
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: the person doesn't have any air. And you know, so

815
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: if if you really want to here's the other thing

816
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: about being with us, being a journalist, being an entrepreneur,

817
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: being for you as an investor, you gotta leave room

818
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: for them to give you the information that you need.

819
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: If you are selling, they're telling you exactly what they want.

820
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: But if you're not asking the right questions, and if

821
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: you're not listening twice as much as they're talking, you're

822
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: never gonna be that.

823
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: You do very well when I want you know, and

824
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: you're good at listening for what's not being said, Like

825
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: you know what they want when they walk in, but

826
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: you also can feel what they're avoiding that you know

827
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: you need to know the answer to. And that's good listening,

828
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: Like what aren't they telling you.

829
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: Exactly? Because everybody's going to tell you that you know

830
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: they can do everything great, They're not going to come

831
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: in or or someone will come in and tell you

832
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: in the counsel, I got one last one and thank

833
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: you for the time and all. And I've definitely learned

834
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: some communication things. You reinforce some stuff as well as

835
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: showed me some new stuff. Let's talk about the age

836
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: you decided to go into competing natural fitness and the

837
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: reason why I want to say that because, as I said,

838
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: we all get older. There are things that we can

839
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: and we cannot do. And if you were just pumping

840
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: yourself filled with drugs. Well, then it would be like, oh,

841
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: that's why you know you look like that, and I

842
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: see you and you often have a very you know.

843
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: You know, your shirts cover your body well, so you

844
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: don't look, you know, like jailhouse. You look, you look great.

845
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: But what are the things that as the older people

846
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: or even the younger people, you know, what are the

847
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: things you feel the fundamentals to concentrate on for fitness

848
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: of muscle out hurting yourself? You know? Yeah, nutrition, muscle,

849
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: you know, I heard six packs of Mate in the kitchen,

850
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: for sure, But I want to be active, but I

851
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: don't want to hurt myself. And all of a sudden,

852
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: spend three months in the gym and I'm going to

853
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: three years limping. What do I do?

854
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: My fitness journey started when I was in my early thirties.

855
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: I was into weight training since I was high school,

856
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: but my fitness journey started in my early thirties. My

857
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: motivation was at that time I had two young daughters

858
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: and my son was an infant. And I looked up

859
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: and I asked myself, do I want to be able

860
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: to play basketball in the driveway with this boy when

861
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: he's seventeen and if I do what kind of condition.

862
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: That's what the starting point was. Eventually it became what's

863
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: going to be my final destination. We talked about where

864
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: you're trying to go without trying to go? Is a

865
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: healthy one hundred and four. That's the number of my head,

866
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: A healthy, active one hundred four. So it began with

867
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: weight training because I liked weight training. Then I learned

868
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: to eat better. I chose natural bodybuilding, which means it's

869
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: drug tested, no steroids, none of that stuff. So I accepted,

870
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be the two hundred and eighty

871
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: pound this dude. I'm going to be a really fit

872
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: this dude.

873
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: And so.

874
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: My journey was about what's the best way to eat,

875
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: what's the best way to maintain muscle, because maintaining muscle

876
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: is key, especially as you get older. Once you get

877
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: past the age of thirty five forty, muscle declines will

878
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: happen naturally unless you work against it. But if you

879
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: maintain the muscle, it protects you almost from everything else

880
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: in terms of the strength of your immune system. People

881
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: don't know most of the things that lead to elderly

882
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: health issues is falling and if you let you know,

883
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: if you have more muscle, you're less likely to fall,

884
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: and when you do fall, you're less likely to break

885
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: something and impair your mobility, which creates all kinds of

886
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: other cascading health effects. So so David, my my simple

887
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: thing is I want to maintain my body and also

888
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: my mind and my you know, emotions, the way somebody

889
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: would maintain their car if they if they carried about

890
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: cared about their car.

891
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: And I'm.

892
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying there's nothing that I'm that I can't simple.

893
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: When I was thirty three, what is a simple schedule

894
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: for somebody who doesn't want to compete? But what is

895
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: a simple schedule? Daily? Weekly?

896
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: You know?

897
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: Like, and I'll get into a really quick second, and

898
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something a doctor told me. I ripped

899
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: one rotator cuff when I was snowboarding. I fell down

900
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: and it ripped right, and then I was like, you know,

901
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna snowboard anymore. Then I was diving in Mexico,

902
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: not a crazy cliff, but like twenty feet and I

903
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: went down and and it was shallow. I shouldn't have

904
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: been diving head first. I go and the sand comes

905
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: up on me quicker. So I pushed myself up. You know,

906
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: as I'm in the forward dog and I ripped my

907
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: other cup. I'm like, I'm not dying. I go to

908
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: a doctor. He go, damn, it wasn't the diver, wasn't

909
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: the fall. Let me tell you something, he said, you

910
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 2: see rotator cuff injuries on women. I said, not often.

911
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: He said, I'll tell you why. Because you were probably

912
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: the cool kid in school, Damen who wore that heavy

913
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: ass book bag on one arm. And I don't play golf,

914
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: and he said, and so the guys who had the

915
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: big clubs alarm and say, you know, when you're doing

916
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: that on one arm, it's slowly ripping at your rotator cuff.

917
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: You're fifteen, you're twenty five, it's ripping at it. Then

918
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: you sleep at night on it, and it's thirty to

919
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: forty pounds on it, and then all of a sudden,

920
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: it's gonna pop pop for no reason because you've ripped

921
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: away at it for years. Now I've learned that. Now.

922
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: It took me years to get myself back. But I

923
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: say that to say the prior that what I used

924
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 2: to do was I used to one hundred, one hundred

925
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: and fifty push ups to day, because what I did

926
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: is I woke up, I knocked out twenty and then

927
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: throughout the day I knocked out more. And even if

928
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: I didn't get to hit the gym heavy, I got

929
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: that in and that kept my adrenaline running, you know,

930
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: it kept my posture that's horrible. It kept me upright,

931
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: and it was something I can do anywhere and everywhere,

932
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: no matter how much I'm I'm traveling. Add that to now,

933
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: you know, making sure that I oxidized in my body

934
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: as much as possible with green drinks, and I do

935
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: red lights, and I do all kinds of stuff for inflammation.

936
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: But what is the everyday person right now? Some basics

937
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: today that Alfred can say, you know what, just what

938
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 2: I do now, it'll start you on the right track.

939
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: First of all, just make up your mind. You're gonna

940
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: do some weight kind of weight bearing exercises. Push ups

941
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: is fine, Squats, push ups is fine. Say you're gonna

942
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: do it five days a week. This is why I

943
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: tell people five days a week, because if you're a

944
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: busy professional, you know you're gonna miss one or two.

945
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: If you shoot for five, you'll get three. But said

946
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna do some kind of strength weight bearing muscle building.

947
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: Mm hm have to be weight and squats can be

948
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: air squats, body right, no weight, say no.

949
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Matter what, if I have to do it at home,

950
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: I could do it in my office, whatever it is.

951
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: Because it's about consistency. The best exercise is the one

952
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: you're going to do. So if you out and you

953
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: say this is what I'm going to do five days

954
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: a week, going to do this thing, then the second

955
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: thing is drink a lot of water. Just drink water.

956
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: Drake is trying to shoot for a gallon a day,

957
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: eight glass, last of the day. Like you said, every

958
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: day you're not going to get there, but most days

959
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: you'll get there once you get into the habit.

960
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: People. And you know what, I talked to the five

961
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: hour energy guy and the guy who makes things that

962
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: will probably kill you. Uh, and he's he's actually a

963
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: great guy. You know what. He's spending most of his money,

964
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: he does about a billion things a year. He's spending

965
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: most of his money on new technology for clean water.

966
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: And he said, because almost all the ailments we have

967
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: is either the lack of water or dirty water. Oh

968
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: you know weather it is right because all the fertilizer

969
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: are running into our our systems and whatever. But if

970
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: you weren't drinking, because your body's made of water, and

971
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 2: if you drink more of what it would flush things

972
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: through your body, losing weight. It fills you, you don't

973
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: want to eat as much, and it cleaned your entire system.

974
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: I am never thirsty. If you get to your point

975
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: where you're thirsty, you are in fact dehydrated. And so

976
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: you don't drink when you're thirsty. You just drink all

977
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: the time. So you're never thirsty. And it's not about you, know,

978
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: because us bodybuilds are known for carrying the gallon around

979
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: with us in the gym. That's extreme. You just say, well,

980
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: wake up. I keep a glass of water by my bedside.

981
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: When I wake up in the morning, I drink a glass.

982
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: You just well, I didn't know. But there's a there's

983
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 2: a bigger thing that you can buy and it says's

984
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: kind of like put you on pace. I remember I

985
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: bought the bottle to break my habits, and I started

986
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: drinking it. I told you, for the first two days,

987
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to give you too much information, but

988
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 2: I felt like I was gonna pop. And then when

989
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: it finally all settled in, I went bathroom several times

990
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: and I yeah, I purged myself and that was I

991
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: felt like the lightest person in the world.

992
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: And I got you still eighty before or three days

993
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: you will But a bend said, are you're gonna give.

994
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: Me the water that I need?

995
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm good, and then you buy it up. But

996
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: like I said, whether you do the big bottle, you know,

997
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: my girls a big bottle, that's nothing wrong with that.

998
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: What I would work for me was glass of water

999
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: when I wake up, the last of water with every meal,

1000
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: last water before I went to bed. I was gonna

1001
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: get at least five glasses that way. Anyway, Then it

1002
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: was about squeezing the other three. Do what works for you.

1003
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: When people say what's the right way to do it,

1004
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no right way. It's what you're willing

1005
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: to do that works for you and that you don't

1006
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: feel as a chore. So if you do that, and

1007
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: I think the ten thousand steps a day, though it

1008
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: doesn't always have to be ten thousand to ten thousand

1009
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: a day, is a good goal. If you could do

1010
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: those three things. And my other one that I only

1011
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: learned to respect in the last ten years, making sure

1012
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: you get at least seven hours of sleep a day.

1013
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: You do those four things, those habits will lead to

1014
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: other habits will lead to other habits. And I think

1015
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: what intimidates people Again, there are people who follow me

1016
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: on social media and they see the bodybuilding shots and

1017
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: they think they have to do what I'm doing now,

1018
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: And I always have to say that this is not

1019
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: where I started. Start with the easiest, most consistent thing

1020
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: you can do, but just do it, and what will

1021
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 1: happen is you make progress, You'll pick up other things,

1022
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: You'll learn more, and next thing you know, you might

1023
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: be competing in a body going show or some of them,

1024
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: something like that. But it's not about the shows. For me,

1025
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: that's just my heart. That's like a sport that I

1026
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: have with It's like golf. For me, it's the daily

1027
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: lifestyle choices I want to make so that I can

1028
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: have a robust, productive business life, professional life, social life.

1029
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm wanna have fun in my sixties and seventies and forward,

1030
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: not just kind of be just making it through in

1031
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: these years.

1032
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: Well, you know, every time I told you I learned

1033
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: a lone I want, I'm going to recap kind of

1034
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: on the thing you said but man, you know, Afred,

1035
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,959
Speaker 2: can we find you on social media?

1036
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: And dj R? I'm very My kids call me a

1037
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: social media o G. I'm particularly active on Instagram and LinkedIn,

1038
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: but I on Twitter and Facebook as well, but everywhere

1039
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: I'm the same.

1040
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: So I want to sum up people will only a

1041
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: couple of topics that we have really touched on and

1042
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 2: we learned from today, is that, first of all, whatever

1043
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: you're doing, there is no shortage of what you're doing,

1044
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: and you don't put yourself in a box. You find

1045
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: other platforms, You find other ways to deliver it. If

1046
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: the fundamentals are there, then you can find other ways

1047
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: to go about it. Skills in learning how to communicate it.

1048
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 2: First of all, when you are talking about writing barrants

1049
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 2: of the things you know right, write that destination where

1050
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna land, you listen twice as much as you

1051
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,959
Speaker 2: you speak, and never to assume finish somebody's life story

1052
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 2: or sentence. Don't do either one of those. Never never right.

1053
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: You know you said four things are critical for help.

1054
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to add one more to it that I

1055
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: think I've actually heard from you too. So of course,

1056
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: hydrate yourself, sleep, do an activity that you can do,

1057
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: no matter what kind of type of resistance, whatever, you

1058
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: can do. Burn calories from walking. And we talk about nutrition.

1059
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: But one thing you said that was really if you

1060
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: just think about nutrition, is you said, I believe never

1061
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: drink your calories. I think that's what you said. I'm

1062
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: not sure if it was you, because people don't realize

1063
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: that I am number one to sell somebody to put

1064
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: anything down. But if I have a sprite that I

1065
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: can knock out in literally one minute, or a big

1066
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: ass juicy slice of cake that's going to satisfy me

1067
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: for half the day of day, it takes me a while.

1068
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: Don't your calories? You know what I mean? Like, if

1069
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna do wrong, do wrong right, you know, and

1070
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: do the cake if you have to. You know what

1071
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: I mean? A simple point. You know what I mean.

1072
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: I have a ginger beer. It's pure ginger, like it's

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Speaker 1: the real ginger beer. But you're right. You did. To

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Speaker 1: have that conversation. I was like, you know, if I

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Speaker 1: want something sweet, I'll get a piece of cake because

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Speaker 1: I like chocolate cake. I'll have a piece of chocolate.

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Speaker 1: It's my I love chocolate. But you're right, it's better

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Speaker 1: to eat it than to drink it, because drinking it,

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Speaker 1: you're literally mainlining it into your bloodstream.

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Speaker 2: And when I did it, you know what, I dropped

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Speaker 2: forty pounds when I stopped just drinking liquor because I

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Speaker 2: was doing vodkas and tonics and I was putting in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and fifteen hundred to two thousand calories are

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Speaker 2: needed in my body, when I could have just eate

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Speaker 2: some bullshit and only put four hundred cal reason my body,

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Speaker 2: and I still would have felt bad, but a good bad.

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Speaker 1: And I've only been learning this in the you know,

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Speaker 1: the post age forty five. This way, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: really think what do I really want versus what it

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Speaker 1: would be nice to have. I say no to a

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Speaker 1: lot of nice to have to get what I really

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Speaker 1: really and I am so much happier now at this

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Speaker 1: stage in my life. You really want, I do what

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Speaker 1: I really want to do, and I understand that means

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Speaker 1: there's some other things that'll be nice to do, but

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Speaker 1: it's okay. And then where that's like you said, would

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Speaker 1: you really want if you're going to get extra two

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Speaker 1: thousand caldariesons you don't want to from you know, vodka,

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Speaker 1: that'd be nice to have at ITA's me, I'd rather

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Speaker 1: have a piece of chocolate cake that I really really want.

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Speaker 1: But it benefits you to that even if you do

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Speaker 1: make choices, and I try not to assign those type

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Speaker 1: of moral judgments to choices because that can create a

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Speaker 1: guilt cycle that's not good for us either. But you're

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Speaker 1: getting it's worth it to you. And so many people

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Speaker 1: lose time, lose money, lose relationships because they're accepting the

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Speaker 1: nice to have relationships and they're sacrificing the relationships they're

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Speaker 1: really valuable to them. So it applies to everything. I

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Speaker 1: say no to a lot of stuff, so I can

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Speaker 1: say yes to everything I really.

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Speaker 2: Want, powerful, powerful stuff. Man. Thank you so much, man,

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Speaker 2: and I look forward to our next conversations. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for spending that moment with me and everybody else. And

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Speaker 2: I know that a lot of people are going to

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Speaker 2: have very special moments off of our conversation. And I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you, Alfred likewise, and I'll be following you as always,

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Speaker 2: be getting inspired every day. Man, Thank you all right. Peace.

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