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Speaker 1: Episode three, seventy nine, Tom Douglas. It's our second time

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Speaker 1: talking to Tom, but always love it. It's been a

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Speaker 1: He has a movie out called Love Tom. It's so good.

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Speaker 1: It is on Paramount Plus. I believe that's right Paramounts.

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Speaker 1: I watched it when he sent it to me after

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Speaker 1: So I hope you're going to check out the documentary.

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Speaker 1: He's written so many big songs and the documentaries basically

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Speaker 1: his life and all the songs he wrote, for example,

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Speaker 1: I Run to You from Lady A the House that

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Speaker 1: Keith Urban raised him up. It's a great one if

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Speaker 1: I'm going through because he has so many number ones here.

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Speaker 1: Um A Little Rock by Colin Ray, such a great,

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Speaker 1: long lasting song. A lot of emotion attached to that song,

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Speaker 1: and he talks about that here. So Tom Douglas follow

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Speaker 1: him at Tom Douglas Music. I mean he still did

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Speaker 1: he say how old did he say he was? He

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Speaker 1: said he was about to turn seventy and he is

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Speaker 1: fit and active and talks about playing tennis when I'm seventy.

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Speaker 1: I'll barely be playing pickleball and he's out playing tennis.

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Speaker 1: I won't be coming to podcast when but love the guy,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you listen to this and enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: And I hope you also go and check out the

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Speaker 1: documentary because it is so good. It's definitely different. When

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Speaker 1: it starts, you're like, oh what, wait, what is this?

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Speaker 1: What's happening? But by the end of it, like me,

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Speaker 1: you're just enthralled. It's so good. All right, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk with one of my favorites, Tom Douglas. Oh

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Speaker 1: well really, yes, it's man. It is difficult navigating traffic,

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Speaker 1: you know, really literal traffic or metaphorical traffic. Is you're

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Speaker 1: a songwriter, you know, I never know what level you're

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Speaker 1: coming at me. Um, I would say today, literally it

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Speaker 1: was bad. Getting through Green Hills or anywhere was quite challenging.

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Speaker 1: But I'm also working on gratitude. I'm not gonna work

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Speaker 1: on I was thinking, there's a lot of complaint boxes.

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Speaker 1: I need to put up a gratitude box. That's what

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Speaker 1: I need to put up for me. This uh a

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Speaker 1: new effort of gratitude for you. It is an uncommon effort.

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Speaker 1: It is. It does not come naturally to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't really I it does it to

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Speaker 1: the human condition we gravitate towards. I belonged to this

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Speaker 1: and it's just it's ironic that the first two or three,

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Speaker 1: if we could only play inside, you know, because it's

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Speaker 1: but now we start finding faults. So I was just thinking,

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Speaker 1: you're grateful for. I do find that because I struggle

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Speaker 1: been able to get I'm obsessed with it, which is

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Speaker 1: reminders and I do an okay job. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: a natural gratitude guy. I'm very happy, I'm very grateful,

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Speaker 1: especially when it's gratitude within myself. What what's happened with

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Speaker 1: recent gratitude, Well, I think it's a number of things.

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Speaker 1: One is, I turned seventy seven years old next month.

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Speaker 1: I would have not put you over two. You would

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Speaker 1: Thank you, But that's why you get the big bucks

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Speaker 1: right there. Well, I didn't say forty. You did not

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Speaker 1: I think I've become more and more aware of the uh,

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Speaker 1: of art that you can project your story on, and

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00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: it it transported you to a time and place that

426
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Speaker 1: you enjoyed. Some of it was enjoyable for you, some

427
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: of it was painful, I'm sure. So it's just there

428
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 1: is just there's kind of just one story. But when

429
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: you when I tell my story, it reminds everybody of

430
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: their story. And then when story really stories change everything. Uh,

431
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: And when you forget your story, that's when dangerous things

432
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: happen and you get lost. I think you know, as

433
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: a culture, but as an individuals too. So that's why

434
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm really passionate about just the concept of storytelling. And

435
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 1: why we all need to know our story and be

436
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: able to articulate our story and um, and that's really

437
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: what it was. I was just telling my story just

438
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: so other people could tell their story. But it did

439
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: start with In two thousand fourteen, I was honored to

440
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: be inducted into the National Songwriters Hall of Fame. I

441
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: gave a twelve minute induction induction speech. And as you know,

442
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: of all people, everything is not created equal what it?

443
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, that twelve minute speech got an inordinate

444
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: amount of interest and plays, you know, it went viral.

445
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: It was It was kind of I didn't really get it.

446
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I was always pleased when people would talk

447
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: about it, but so two thousand you know, I never

448
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: really knew that there was anything more to it. In

449
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, I was really at a very low

450
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: point in my one of my many low points in

451
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: my career, where I was discouraged. Time had passed me by.

452
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do this, Why am I

453
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: doing this? My life has had no meaning? And I

454
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: got to see Bruce Springsteen on Broadway? Did you by chance?

455
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: I watched it on Netflix? Well? It was great on Netflix,

456
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: it was better. So and when I saw Bruce Um,

457
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, in a little theater on Broadway tell his story.

458
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: It was all about him growing up in Freehold, New Jersey,

459
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Speaker 1: and I was immediately transported to thirty eighteen Are Gone Drive.

460
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: It was his story, but he quickly disappeared and it

461
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: was my story. And for two and a half hours,

462
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,239
Speaker 1: I could kind of relive my childhood, my relationship with

463
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: my father, you know, the discovery of music. I mean

464
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: it was it's just a story, but it engaged me

465
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: and Um and then I thought, Okay, I want to

466
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: take my twelve minute induction speech, blow it up, and

467
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: I want to kind of do a bad version of

468
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen. So I did Love Tom. It was a

469
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: one man performance, and I did it a hundred times

470
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: anywhere and everywhere. People would I do it for benefits,

471
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: for charities. I'd have people out to my studio And

472
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: how long was the show? When you do it one man?

473
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: An hour and fifteen minutes. I just enjoyed doing it.

474
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Speaker 1: There's one thing that I had control over. Most of

475
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: the things that I do create, I feel like I

476
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: have no control over It's like I can go I

477
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: could like come over here and just give me a

478
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: piano fellas and give me an hour and fifteen minutes

479
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take you on a trip. It was

480
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: just enjoyable. Anyway, this director saw my one man performance,

481
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: he said, I know how to make a movie out

482
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: of that. How do you see it? He just I

483
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: was doing a performance for his brother in law's company,

484
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: and uh, he just happened to be there. When someone

485
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: comes up to you and goes, oh, I think I

486
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: can make it, I don't trust anybody anymore from Hollywood,

487
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: you know. But when someone says that to you, do

488
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: you think he's serious because it's such a well, I guess,

489
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it. It all comes down to

490
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: the person. I had an immediate affinity for him, and

491
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: you know, I knew he had had He's got a

492
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 1: body of work that I would respected, and we kind

493
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: of had a relationship. I mean, my immediate response was

494
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: let's do it? When where how much I'm in I

495
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: haven't seen the movie in a couple of years. I

496
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: watched it as soon as you sent it to me,

497
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: and then I've preached about it and I'd never watched

498
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: movies twice. I want to watch it again, and if

499
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: I mess up some of the details. Just slap me

500
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: and tell me the real story. But there's part of

501
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: it where you're talking about you stopped doing music, you're

502
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: selling real estate. Yes, and not for like eight months,

503
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 1: for over ten years, right, thirteen years. I mean, that's

504
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: a whole different linean it's all different life, that's all

505
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And so you call your dat your dad?

506
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: Can you my father, whom I loved dearly the majority

507
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: of my life. It was it was idyllic. As I

508
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: say in the movie, my father had a predisposition towards

509
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: clinical depression that at times led to an addiction to

510
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: pain medication. So he kind of got on that roller

511
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: coaster and then he retired. Um and you know, everything

512
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: went to hell in a handbasket when he retired, and

513
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: he was on a real roller coaster of you know,

514
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: depression and it's basically opioids, you know, on and off,

515
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: prescribed by doctors for almost twenty years. Now, I've forgotten.

516
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: What was your question, the dad you're you're living in Texas? Well? Yeah,

517
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: so my dad was not doing well. Was in Atlanta,

518
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: which is where I was from. I was in Nashville.

519
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: My mother called me and said, I can't do this,

520
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: and you know, I could tell my my mother's voice

521
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: that it was killing. So I brought my father to

522
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: live with me in Nashville. I couldn't take care of him.

523
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: My songwriting gaining no traction, My father and I moved

524
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: west to Dallas to stay with my sister and brother

525
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: in law. I reinvented myself as a real estate broker,

526
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: leaving Nashville never to return, and literally about I don't know,

527
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: five six years in I I kind of thought I'd

528
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: made peace with Nashville, and all of a sudden, I

529
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: found myself. One day I was cold calling a shopping

530
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: center as a real estate broker, and I just I

531
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: was talking to a prospective in it, but internally I

532
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: was having this raging argument with God about how could

533
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: I be thirty nine and be so disappointed with my life? So,

534
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it was really an epiphany moment. And that's

535
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: when I literally heard I haven't I've heard God a

536
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: few times, and God said, well, you've been worshiping the

537
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: creation instead of Me the Creator. So there you have it.

538
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: And it was just shocking. When you were selling real estate,

539
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: were you good? Did you get good? Average? Okay, you

540
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: keep saying that i'm, I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm just telling

541
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: you I have one thing I do really great. I am.

542
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: I really am a very good lyricist. The majority of

543
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: other things, I mean, I was okay. I mean, I

544
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: made a living, but I was surround to talk about,

545
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, superman elite in Dallas, Texas at that time.

546
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: I was surrounded by some of the greatest real estate

547
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: brokers and real estate developers in the United States. Almost

548
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: the kind of the burgeoning real estate development business started

549
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: in Dallas that just happened to be a collection of

550
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: men that that kind of built America and they started out.

551
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: So I was surrounded by be like, yeah, I was

552
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: a pretty good tennis player, but you know I was

553
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: with Andy Roddick and Roger Federer. I did meet fed

554
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: Bunch and he was awesome, the kindest guy. I do

555
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: have one John McEnroe's story, which I will tell you

556
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: at some point. It's an amazing story. But we digress.

557
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: You are selling real estate again for over a decade,

558
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: But were you were you itching to create whatever that

559
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: meant not? You know, I hard, I was repressing it,

560
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I I just I kind of

561
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: just didn't have much I really wanted to say, you know,

562
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: you know I was I was better. I didn't think

563
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: I was, but but I thinking of actuality. I think

564
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: I was just disappointed in yourself and myself and God.

565
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: And you know, just in the fact that my father,

566
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, kind of fell apart at the end of

567
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: his life. It was just it was kind of also needless.

568
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: It was so pointless, like we all kind of had

569
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: it together and then you know, so, I mean, I

570
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: blame my father for a lot of it for a

571
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: long time, which was foolish. But when were you reintroduced

572
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: to fulfillment? I remember I had honestly, when I had

573
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: that moment with God and I thought, Okay, you're right.

574
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: I've been looking down here for years and you're up there.

575
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: You allegedly, you know, or the God of creativity in

576
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: the beginning, God created allegedly. Let's just say that's true.

577
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: Why don't I just go back to the God of

578
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: creation and say, I need I need a hit of creativity.

579
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: I just want to enjoy this again. I I did

580
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: love it at one time. Now I hate it. I

581
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: just want to go back to I just want to

582
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I don't care if any I'll never go

583
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: back to Nashville. I don't want to do that. I

584
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: want to enjoy this gift. And as soon as I

585
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: kind of did that, the some of the weight started

586
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: to follow off my shoulders. It took about a year

587
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: and a half or two years. I started to thaw

588
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: out and I could just kind of start breathing a

589
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: little bit. And I remember one day, you know, it

590
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: was the convergence. I was working with Walmart, Bill Clinton

591
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: was running for president, and my father was trying to

592
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: recover from a litany of things, and I just sat

593
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: down and over a couple of weeks, I kind of

594
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: wrote Little Rock. It was just the convergence of all

595
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: those storylines and it was like, Wow, that that's what

596
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. That's all I wanted to do. And

597
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: it was just just the joy of that creation was enough. Okay,

598
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: So I heard something there. You're talking about Walmart and

599
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: you talk about litteral rocks selling BCRs. It ain't Walmart,

600
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's that reference inspired by that season

601
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: with that exact exactly. I mean, every Time magazine, every

602
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: Look magazine, every newspaper would say Bill Clinton, that kids

603
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: on a roll and Little Rock and I was like,

604
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: every time I would see it, I think, well, that's

605
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: a song. If I was a songwriter, I would write that.

606
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: But I'm not a songwriter, so I'm not gonna worry

607
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: about that. But I did. I did park it away.

608
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: And then one day I was like, all right, what

609
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: if I told the story of somebody that's the Little

610
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: Rock is it really is? It's by a graphical it

611
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: really is my father, that's his story. He was always

612
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: trying to start overdrawal line on the sand. I'm not

613
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: going back to that other way of life, and so

614
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: really it's it's just I just used all those you

615
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: know that storyline of this this recovering alcoholic finds himself

616
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: and you know Little Rock, you know, selling VCRs, and

617
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: he called the the whole song is the and a

618
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: half minutes of this guy calling his wife trying to

619
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: convince himself and her I'm I'm gonna do it for Markansas.

620
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: That song was personally many many many ways. Not only

621
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: is it and my parents that my mom dealt with

622
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: a lot of fiction, but also my state didn't get

623
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: talked about much and it was always bad. So they

624
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: have a song where they were like Little Rock we're like, yeah,

625
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: let's go, that's our song. I think I'm all so

626
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: you right that song? Did you feel like that was

627
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: something you had been storing in you as in you

628
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: could write all these songs? Or did you feel like

629
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: that was something that kind of replanted in you buy

630
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: something bigger than yourself, because that's kind of a that's

631
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: a powerful way to start your second we'll call it

632
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: your second career of songwriting. Well, you know, it was

633
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: it was a real moment I think, you know, in

634
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 1: the creative experience, I think it's like that. It's it's

635
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: it's plateau, plateau, plateau. And then then occasionally, and you

636
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: never really know. Occasionally you'll just move up, you know,

637
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: a few rungs of the ladder, and all of a

638
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: sudden it's a whole lot better than it was. But

639
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: you you just have to put in all that time,

640
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: and you've gotta be willing to You just can't be

641
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: defined by failure, which which I'm oddly enough not, even

642
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: though I am very insecure and very fragile, I am

643
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: not defined by failure. I can I can handle failure,

644
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: surprisingly will I bet you can too. Yeah, I have

645
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: to do it all the time. Yeah, I don't like

646
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: to fail. My second book that I wrote was called

647
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: fail until you don't. And people have this association with

648
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: me and failure and that I just like to go

649
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: out and fail. I hate it. But I also I

650
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: don't like I don't like exercising either. I don't like

651
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: eating pretty good. But I gotta do some things in

652
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: order to actually be better, and some of that happens

653
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: to be You gotta know, you gotta be okay with

654
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: how much it sucks when you can't do something good

655
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: because you don't do some good, gotta do something not

656
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: good first, And yeah it sucks. Filure sucks, but it's

657
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: it's being okay. It's like in the morning for me,

658
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, I go in every day and wake up it.

659
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes I have it too wake up. It just depends.

660
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: It's the early early show. And I never got used

661
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: to waken up early. Even today I went in this

662
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: morning a whole show today. I never get used to

663
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: waken up early. But when I get used to is

664
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: how to handle it when it feels terrible. I'm better

665
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: at feeling terrible and hating waking up in the morning.

666
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: And that's how I am with failure. I know, that Okay, well,

667
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: that sucks, but I've had it happened before already. I

668
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: got through it and got better, and it's gonna happen

669
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: again too. That's nothing to do with this failure. So

670
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: why am I going to spend a whole lot of

671
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: emotional energy assigning myself to this failure? And then if

672
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: I can take something from it, awesome. It' still always hurts.

673
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: It's still always hurts and always sucks. But I know

674
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: there's gonna be twenty more failures coming up that have

675
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: nothing to do with this, and I this is needed.

676
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: So I don't get better wake up of the morning.

677
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: I handle feeling bad better and don't get better at failure.

678
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: I handle it better because I've done it so much.

679
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: I know more will come. And um, I think that's

680
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, that's yeah, that's one of the reasons

681
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: why you're very successful in a number of fields. It's

682
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: borderline psychotic because, like I said, everything is linear to me.

683
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: Like I just lined out a B, C, D F

684
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: G of how I am able to live my life

685
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: and my feelings. It's not feelings, their dots, and I

686
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: walked to the dots. It is interesting. I mean, you

687
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: you say borderline psychotic. I mean, I get that, but

688
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm very attuned and sensitive to as

689
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: a storyteller. I can tell I could, I can tell

690
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: your story a number of different ways, just this last

691
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: little bit, so you can you can project that that's psychotic,

692
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: or you could just say, you know what, you're just

693
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: very focused, you're very committed, and you're very sciplined. I

694
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: don't think that psychotic, but and we could do this

695
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: to your story too. I'm focused and disciplined because I'm

696
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: terribly insecure, and I'm scared of going to back how

697
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: it was when I was a kid. I don't want

698
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: to have to not eat meals because we can't afford it.

699
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to go and not be

700
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: able to afford close or shoes and figure out how

701
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: to have to just survive. And I'm so scared of that.

702
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: And I'm so insecure with my skill set, which I

703
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: don't feel my skill set is pushing and not stopping.

704
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: That I have developed these other things from those first

705
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: difficult things, and I'm grateful for it now. I used

706
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: to resent it like crazy. That's what i was asking

707
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: you about that, you know, bitterness and resent I used

708
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: to be so bitter and so resentful and have a dad,

709
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: and it was hard. But now it's like I have

710
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: empathy in a way that I would never have had

711
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: I not had those failures and those struggles. And when

712
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: it comes to struggles and some of your most notable work,

713
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: for example, I think something you probably get asked about

714
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: a lot is the house to build me. Yeah, I

715
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: believe you told me last time. It was a seven

716
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: year song and you just kept going back to it.

717
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: It was never quite full finished. And two questions one

718
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: after all that time, what was it about it that

719
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: you went, oh, now it's done? Because I think I

720
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: would have just gotten to the habit of wanting to

721
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: fix it or giving up. I don't think as songwriters

722
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: we ever really have that moment of clarity where you think, oh,

723
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: it's done. Uh, it was just it's just part of

724
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: the cycle. Uh. You know. We've done a number of demos,

725
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: and we did this one in two thousand nine, and

726
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: it was we demoed it. It was like, that's amazing,

727
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: But I thought it was amazing. That was my question,

728
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: that you also think it the first many times I've

729
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: I've always thought the first you know five. So it

730
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: wasn't you that was holding it back. No, it was

731
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: it's you know, you just have to stay in the process.

732
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: I my one man performance morphed, you know, probably seven

733
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: different times over the two years that I did. It

734
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: had all different names, had different parts of it, and

735
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was amazing. Every time I did it,

736
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: I thought it was just killer, only to find out like, oh,

737
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: somebody would say something might just be crushed and devastated

738
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, you're right, I forgot that, but

739
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: equally hurtful and awesome. I have those moments too. My

740
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: wife said something about my stand up actor. I did

741
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: that one man comedically inspirational show where I'm funny but

742
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm also telling stories, and she'd be like, well what,

743
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: and I'm just so I'm like wounded when she says that,

744
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: but I know she's saying it from a place of love.

745
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh, it hurts because you're right,

746
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: and I didn't see that, and I'm like, oh, that sucks,

747
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: and you're right. So that's like I get it, Like

748
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: when you say that, you're speaking from my mouth. I

749
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: tell my wife about I don't know. Three weeks ago,

750
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: I said Honestly, I don't think I can ever play

751
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: you another song again. It was so the reaction was

752
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: so honest and so painful. It was almost couldn't. I

753
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: was just almost catatonic for about thirty six hours. What

754
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: did you expect? I expected her to love it? Did

755
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: you expect her to love it? Or she just really

756
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: want her to love it? And want her and even

757
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: if she didn't love it to tell you she loved it.

758
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: I knew she would not tell me she loved it

759
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: if she didn't, but I wandered her. You know, I've

760
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: got an audience one. I'm just I'm still trying to

761
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: impress my wife, you know that same, and I'm losing

762
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: the ability to everyone with her was awesome. She thinks

763
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: I am. I'm not even funny to her anymore. It's crazy.

764
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: It sucks. Uh yeah. But by the way, when you

765
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: were on bear grills and you all were doing some

766
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: of those, the one with her, the one by myself,

767
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: the one was one with her, okay yeah, the last

768
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: one wow, oh yeah, she's but she's a monstute beast.

769
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: That was really I mean, the I'm very scared of

770
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: high and I just the way that you all negotiated

771
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: and navigated. That was very inspiring it. Thank you for

772
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: bringing that out now I'm reliving that. Thank you. What

773
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: a storyteller you are. Do you have any other songs

774
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: that are like you've been working on for six years?

775
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: It's like wine, you know how the age wine or whiskey? Yeah,

776
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: you've been holding seven years? Is doing the seven year

777
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: deal again? Do you think you know what maybe this

778
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: birth that you've been on and off working on, well,

779
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean, nothing that comes to mind, um, you know,

780
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: I mean, Love's the Only House took a long time,

781
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: and we have many differents of that, uh. I mean

782
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: we had one that was kind of a Jimmy Buffett

783
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: Calypso version. We had one that was, you know, a

784
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: very Elton John String version, and then you know, we

785
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: kind of ended up with the version that we have.

786
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: But you know, I've come to see the creative process.

787
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: For me, it's it's a two cycle process. I create

788
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: and I share, and that's really it. Then I have

789
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: to immediately go back to creating and sharing the next

790
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: thing I can't get hung up on. I mean, when

791
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: we did our movie, I we just sent the movie

792
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: to every notable person that we knew in the music

793
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: or entertainment business. That's how you distributed it. Early for partners,

794
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: we were just trying to find somebody somewhere that said

795
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: I like this, I know what to do with it,

796
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: And you gotta say I said I like it, I

797
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: have no idea what to do with it, so go

798
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: to the next person right well, and that that's that

799
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: was the case until we got to Jason Owens and

800
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: uh Chandra the plume and how did they get to

801
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: Paramount plus the overall? Like the uh so, Jason at

802
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: Sandbox Entertainment in Chandra, they have an arrangement with Sony

803
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: Pictures Entertainment. Sony Pictures Entertainment. They then shopped at to

804
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: all the different streaming services. It took them, you know,

805
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: nine months. Do you feel like they believed in it

806
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: Sony when they were pitching immediately. I mean it's like

807
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: once you kind of get well, there's you know two things.

808
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: It's you've gotta have somebody that has the ability to

809
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: do something with the art that you give them, and

810
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: you also have to find somebody that is passionate about

811
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: what you do. So fortunately we found that and that

812
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: it was it was an amazing team Tom McKay and

813
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. He was who just pounding the payment trying

814
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: to I mean, people saw and nobody said that's terrible.

815
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys were thinking. It was

816
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: just now it has to fit into the niche of

817
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: I mean, all these streaming services have identities that are

818
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: so segmented that some like music, some don't like music.

819
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Some you know, I mean they it just depends on

820
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: what their taste are. How was it being front facing

821
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: to a camera, having to speak directly to a camera

822
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: different than acting? It's different. It's just so different than anything.

823
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: And how this was shot, and how your relationship with

824
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: the audience and the camera. Well, you know, honestly, I

825
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: didn't really think about that. It's not that we set

826
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: out to we I didn't really have any idea what

827
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: we were doing. I just wanted to do it because

828
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: it was another form of expression. I like telling the

829
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: story like that. So I had performed it so many

830
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: times that I knew the script pretty well. You're comfortable

831
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: with the words. It's your voice, obviously, so it would

832
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: just be like plug and play, like Okay, we're gonna

833
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: do this three minutes segment. Here, do this and you know,

834
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know I could do it, but I didn't

835
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: know that I couldn't do it. When I look at it,

836
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't look that unusual to me. It's only when people,

837
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, I say gosh, how could you walk and

838
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: talk at the same time that that I mean, they

839
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: had low expectations to begin with. The few times, like,

840
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 1: we're surprised you could walk and talk at all, Tom,

841
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: don't you gum? Do not try to chew gum with that?

842
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: Have you found random appreciation for it, meaning from a

843
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: community that you were not already in and someone just

844
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: found it and found you and something got a methodge

845
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: to you. Uh yeah, it's some of those random Uh.

846
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not really on Facebook, somehow I have

847
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: an account, and but I started getting you know, flooded

848
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: with you know, Facebook from people that are literally going

849
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: to grammar school with or college with or this or that,

850
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: and you know, and occasionally I'll go somewhere and somebody said, hey, man,

851
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed your your film, so uh, but I

852
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: really am all about the next one. I mean, we're

853
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: trying to do the next the next one. We we

854
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: we probably should do love Bobby or hey, Bob, you

855
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: have done so much and you're a lot of songwriters

856
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: like like a goal. Like a lot of people said

857
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: that their goal has been getting a room with you

858
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: to write. You're a hero to a lot, and some

859
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: people don't even realize you're the hero till they get

860
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: to spend time around you or study what you've done

861
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: and how you've done it. Heroes influences. Two questions about that. One,

862
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: who was your hero when you were a kid and

863
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: then as you became an adult. I could be a

864
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: young adult who then and maybe it's the same person

865
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: who then that you weren't related to became your hero

866
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: at any point your adulthood. That's a very good question.

867
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: I was very influenced by. And I noticed that when

868
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: you asked that, you didn't give any kind of parameters.

869
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: And I know you did that perfectly. I have a

870
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: question like that that I asked, and I don't give parameters,

871
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: so it's always interesting people's response. So I didn't fall

872
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: for that trap, bod. I was very influenced by the

873
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: music in my house that I grew up with, which

874
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: was you know, Lawrence Welk, you know a big band music,

875
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: music of the church. Um, you know. I mean I

876
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: literally remember my sister my day and I went to

877
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: Jim Silly's record store in Bucket and we bought a

878
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: forty five of Hound Dog. I bet that was nineteen.

879
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: I can't really pinpoint the day, but you know, there

880
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: was always music around me. My father was very creative

881
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: and very artistic, even though he was a steel salesman,

882
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: but he was a very poetic guy. So I was

883
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: very influenced by my father. Um, and you know, it

884
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: was always you know, pushing me on my biggest fan. Uh.

885
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: And my mother was very creative, but in the design arts.

886
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: So that and uh, I honestly think maybe everybody thinks this.

887
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: I think I grew up in the Golden era of music.

888
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean I grew up the Beatles. You do you

889
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: think you're the Golden Okay, so everybody thinks that, But

890
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I grew up with the Beatles.

891
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: I grew up with I grew up with Springsteen and

892
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: Dylan and Jackson Brown and the Eagles and Bob you know,

893
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: so I was really you that was that was my school.

894
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: That was my education. That's how I That was my

895
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: musical education. Were all that music that I just absorbed

896
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: growing up, even though I never I grew up in

897
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: a time and a place in a family where there

898
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: was no possible way I would have told my parents

899
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to now be a songwriter. That would that

900
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: would have been unthinkable. When you got to choose your influences,

901
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: and I have just hear you around, I'm gonna ask

902
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: the second part of this question again, but now you

903
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: get to choose who's your hero at I had some

904
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: guys along the way that, from no good reason, just

905
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: believed in me as a songwriter. When I was in

906
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: Atlanta in the very early days, they just they saw

907
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: something in me, and they you know, they supported me

908
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: financially and emotionally. It was Bobby and Bobby Vincent, and uh,

909
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: they really influenced me just in their passion and how

910
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: much they love I loved songs, but I saw how

911
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: much they I love songs because I was creating. They

912
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: just loved songs, and um, you know, I think that's it.

913
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: That's acceptable. Yeah, came to Nashville. I was here and

914
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: it was me. You heard me for the first time

915
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: and I heard you guys awesome, and I need to

916
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: be more like him. Thank you for that and I

917
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: appreciate that you say that all the time to everybody.

918
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: It's very kind of. You had two final things to

919
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: ask you being in Nashville and you play I'm assuming

920
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: you still play some of the can you talk about

921
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: your show, but you still probably play some songwriter stuff,

922
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, if they say, okay, Tom, you're doing

923
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: four songs tonight, what four will you more than not?

924
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: What will be your four more times than not? What

925
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: are those four? I just did a benefit for the

926
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: n s A I on Monday night and I played

927
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: four songs, and they, oh, good, I like this, Let's

928
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: just do what you did recently. They got started with

929
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: van Go. But I tell these kind of a little

930
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: elongated anecdotes to the songs. Now, I don't just play

931
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: the song. So there's I play a song called van Go,

932
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: then I played a little rock, then I played I

933
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: Run to You, and then I played the House and

934
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: Built Me. You got a close with that one, right,

935
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: That's that's the that's the it's still I mean, the

936
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: people love it not really because of the song. They

937
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: love it because they get to take a trip back

938
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: to their home good or bad for about three and

939
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: a half minutes. That's why they love the song. We

940
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: do this bit on our show. We've done it for

941
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: years and years and years, about once a year because

942
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: we don't want people to know what we're doing. If

943
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: we have a guy on our show, just go it's

944
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: getting risk here and risk here. But he'll go up

945
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: to the house and knock on the door and he'll

946
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: just he'll just recreate it. It's never actually been in

947
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: the house, but he'll just say the words from your

948
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: song and see if he'll let him in their house

949
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: and be like, I used to live here. We are

950
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: all dogs in the backyard, you know that. And it's

951
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: so funny because it's just your words, but amazing, I

952
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: gotta see that. Well, it's it's I mean, it's stupid

953
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: now your song. The bit we do because he'll just

954
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: be like, I feel good about hello. I just want

955
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: you to know uh, and I have thought and he

956
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: just does it. He acts out your word and they

957
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: believe him. And sometimes they show in the door in

958
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: his face and sometimes they're like okay, yeah, come on in,

959
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: and then he's like, you know that that tree over there,

960
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: just it's so funny. Yeah, he's gonna get shot one

961
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: day anyway. That's what I want to say before we

962
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: wrap on the last question, I'm gonna watch your movie, guys.

963
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: I loved it so much, and I hope people listening

964
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: to this if I'm correct, the movie is not three hours.

965
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: It's not a Marvel movie where I'm just like, I

966
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: gotta pee. This was like is an hour until fifty

967
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: six minutes the air amount plus that's less than an

968
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: episode of some of the shows I watched. Okay, you guys,

969
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: go watch Love Tom. It's awesome. It stylistically is gonna

970
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: be a little different than what you're used to, but

971
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: that's what you'll fall in love with after about eight minutes.

972
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: And if I'm telling you money back from tall like

973
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: that from you, not from me. I somehow a Diet

974
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: Dr Pepper on me. If you don't, that's a lot

975
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: of Diet Dr Peppers I got. We got a big

976
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: audience here, Tom h final question, what did you have

977
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 1: for lunch today? Oh? Man? I have had the same

978
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: thing for years and years and years, I will say,

979
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: and you could you can talk to people that have

980
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,959
Speaker 1: written with me. I have a I have a whole thing.

981
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: It's a turkey sandwich. It's good, thick, whole grain bread,

982
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: it's mustard and mayonnaise. It's boar's head, honey, maple, turkey,

983
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: Americans sharp cheddar cheese. Today I always have one special ingredient.

984
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: Today I put cranberry relish. That's pretty good. I like that.

985
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: The mayonnaise kills it, though, what god man must tarn

986
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: a manaise together? Are you a serial killer that you

987
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: want to see my lunch? Check it out? I had

988
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: this today. Yeah, but those this is my lunch and

989
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: I usually instagram what you have? I did today because like,

990
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: how dynamic that is? What is that chick? What is

991
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: that chicken and waffles? It's a it's called a chicken

992
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: breakfast plate. And there are there's chicken, there's waffles, there's biscuits,

993
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: there's fruit, there's bagels. Where's I'm glad you asked here

994
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: in town? My wife was like, do you want to

995
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: go have lunch? And I'm almost done for the year,

996
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: Like I got a couple. I think this is like

997
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,479
Speaker 1: my last thing thing. Well, yeah, I wanted to really

998
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: end on a on a low note. And he goes,

999
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: let's go have let's go have lunch. I said sure,

1000
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: And it was a Z blue A and Z I

1001
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: E blue right down there where like Hillsboro. No, it's

1002
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: we're all like the college kids walk and people the biscuit.

1003
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I don't even know how

1004
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: to get to work. Let's have term. But it's Anzi Blue.

1005
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Wow, that looks delicious. It is. I couldn't eat.

1006
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean, have stomach problems, but I had. I had

1007
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: the whole plate there right, some of it and called

1008
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: it today. It was amazing. That was my lunch. Thank

1009
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: you for ask. I like that. You didn't ask. That's

1010
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: all right, I should have that. Look, the movie is awesome.

1011
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: Thank you. We've done an hour here. This is an hour,

1012
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: a great hour. I enjoy spending time with you. We

1013
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: have to start recording yet, so that was just a

1014
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: warm up. We're gonna get to the actual. H No,

1015
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: that was just a warm Now that's the pre interview.

1016
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: We're able to talk. And I talked like this in

1017
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: the interview. Tom doug Less everybody, Uh, I hope people

1018
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: check out. Love Tom. I love Tom. There's so much.

1019
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: It's so good. Paramount plus go get it. Tom. It

1020
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: is always a joy to spend any time with you, whatsoever,

1021
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: especially when they're it's just me and you. Well, I

1022
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: would say God bless Bobby Bones. I would not say that,

1023
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: but I appreciate that you did. Congratulations, check out, Love Tom,

1024
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: and that is all.