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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for slight spoilers for a

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Speaker 1: bunch of different Superman stories from the DC Comics canon,

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Speaker 1: which Rosie and I enjoy, and some different Marvel comics

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Speaker 1: center around Marvel Rivals characters such as the very cute

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Speaker 1: Jeff the Lantrop be warning. Hello, my name is Jason

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Speaker 1: Concepcion and I'm Rosday Night, and welcome back to x

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Speaker 1: Ray Vision of the podcast where we dive DPD favor shows.

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Speaker 2: Movies, colleagues of pop culture, comedy.

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Speaker 1: From our podcast where we're bringing you three episodes a week,

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Speaker 1: every Tuesday, every Thursday, and Wednesday, or maybe a different.

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Speaker 3: Day, maybe a different day, who knows. Today's episode, we

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Speaker 3: are kicking off our very first book club this month.

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Speaker 3: For book Club, we wanted to start with some recommendations

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Speaker 3: featuring two big properties that you've all been asking us about,

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Speaker 3: the Man of Steel, Superman and comics inspired by the

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Speaker 3: new smash hit Hero Shooter Marvel Rivals. And then we

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Speaker 3: are going to introduce you to what our first ever

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Speaker 3: interactive book club book will be for next month, giving

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Speaker 3: you plenty of time to find a copy for yourself

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Speaker 3: from your local library, local comic shop. Then you can

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Speaker 3: be ready to discuss it with us then, but first

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Speaker 3: we're going to do some Superman Rex. Get ready for

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Speaker 3: the Year of Superman. We're going to do some Marvel

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Speaker 3: Rivals Rex. What should you read if you love Luna

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Speaker 3: Snow or Jeff de Landshark, We're going to be here

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Speaker 3: to tell.

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Speaker 1: You, Okay, twenty twenty five is going to be your

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Speaker 1: Superman Rose it feels like it. The Superman trailer is

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Speaker 1: currently the most watched trailer in Warner Brothers history. It

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five, it's kind of the movie that

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Speaker 1: with the most riding on it. And I think the

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Speaker 1: metrics we have right now, meaning the trailer, are pretty good.

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Speaker 1: That said, a lot riding on this movie, and you

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Speaker 1: might ask yourself coming into this. God, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think I know Superman. I watched the I watched Man

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Speaker 1: and I know generally about Superman, but I kind of

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Speaker 2: Well, we've got you you.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with I think the pick that people who

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Speaker 1: first when saying where do I start with Superman?

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Speaker 2: And it is Grant Morrison and Frank.

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Speaker 1: Quietly super creator duos All Star Superman from two thousand

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Speaker 1: and five and the else world stories and not a

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Speaker 1: canon story, but a wonderful exploration of Superman at his

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Speaker 1: most good.

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Speaker 3: I think originally it was going to basically be the

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Speaker 3: kind of launch pad for the All Star imprint, right,

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Speaker 3: and it was the second one after All Star Batman

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Speaker 3: and Robert They've done other ones, and the idea was, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was like, it's not a fully crazy else Worlds

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Speaker 3: his production room, We've seen him post about it online.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the books where when he posted

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Speaker 3: I think the reason that this is a very important

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Speaker 3: and he's very famously. I think the most famous page

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Speaker 1: It is very insane. Here's the quick synopsis. Superman saves

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Speaker 1: In the course of doing so, Superman has bombarded with

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Speaker 2: It's a great Lex Luthor story.

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Speaker 1: Next up is the classic two part story from the eighties,

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like it's a wonderful life.

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Speaker 2: I think it was hit and miss, but I think

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Speaker 2: they hits are pretty good. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I also I was also I was working in the

439
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Speaker 3: comic shop when they did the next line wide relaunch, which,

440
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Speaker 3: as you'll learn listening to us, is very common, which

441
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Speaker 3: was Rebirth and actually same, I think when you're in

442
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Speaker 3: the moment, there's always controversy about those kind of things,

443
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Speaker 3: but there are actually great books from that era and

444
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Speaker 3: this era. And I would also say as well, congrats

445
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Speaker 3: to DC because actually they just did a new line

446
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Speaker 3: wide relaunch with all In and they had the all

447
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Speaker 3: In relaunch and the Absolute Universe are coming at the

448
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Speaker 3: same time, and that actually has been widely accepted and

449
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Speaker 3: seen as a great choice. So I think that it's

450
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Speaker 3: interesting to see a relaunch that wasn't universally kind of

451
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Speaker 3: hated and we haven't had to wait to see what

452
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Speaker 3: comes out of it that's going to be kind of

453
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Speaker 3: seen as a historical book or an important book because

454
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Speaker 3: we've already seen that like Absolute Batman obviously biggest selling

455
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Speaker 3: comic of the year alongside Ultimate Spider Man. So very interesting,

456
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Speaker 3: and yeah, this is one of those great weird New

457
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Speaker 3: fifty two books where the line wide relaunch allowed people

458
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Speaker 3: to do stuff that was really really fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah uh.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, as a from my perspective, a great

461
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Speaker 1: Lex Luthor story also is Red Sun, the book what

462
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Speaker 1: the three issue else World mini series by Mark malar

463
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Speaker 1: In a variety of pencilers, including Dave Johnson, Andrew Robinson,

464
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Speaker 1: Walden Wall and Killian Plunkett. Is You probably know the

465
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Speaker 1: synopsis if you've heard of Red Sun, but here it

466
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Speaker 1: is Superman lands in the Soviet Union instead of America,

467
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Speaker 1: and you know, becomes basically their symbol, their Superman and

468
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Speaker 1: eventually kind of the leader of the communist world and the.

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Speaker 2: World written large.

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Speaker 1: What I like about this story other, you know, beside

471
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Speaker 1: the fact that it's a really cool kind of what

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Speaker 1: if kind of thing, is Superren is still the good

473
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Speaker 1: person that he was when he landed in the US,

474
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Speaker 1: but he has to fight against different kinds of bureaucracies

475
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Speaker 1: and red tape and influences, although that goodness does eventually

476
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Speaker 1: emerge at just the right time. But also, more specifically,

477
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Speaker 1: I think this is a you know, Lex is America's superhero. Basically,

478
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Speaker 1: he's America's Superman who is tasked with trying to keep

479
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Speaker 1: America surviving in a world in which Superman is their enemy.

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Speaker 1: And it brings you into the ambition, the drive, the

481
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Speaker 1: talent of Lex Luthor in a really interesting way and

482
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Speaker 1: makes you root for him in a story, you know,

483
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Speaker 1: in a way that maybe you don't root for him

484
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Speaker 1: almost in any other story that exists.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, also as well anow the one. Like we said,

486
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Speaker 3: it's like a three issue mini series. Now that Prestige issues,

487
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: they're longer, but still this happened over a short period

488
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Speaker 3: of time, you know. It's from two thousand and three.

489
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Speaker 3: Was nominated in two thousand and four for the Eisner

490
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Speaker 3: Award for Best Limited Series. Hilariously, this is also for

491
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Speaker 3: a little bit of comic book drama here. So written

492
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Speaker 3: by Mark Miller, you know, had a ton of artists

493
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Speaker 3: on this, Dave Johnson, Andrew Robinson, Walden one Killian Puckett,

494
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Speaker 3: and but I will say this is some good controversial

495
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Speaker 3: drama because.

496
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Speaker 2: Mark millerk controversy, controversy. I know him.

497
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Speaker 3: He was once friends with his fellow Scott Grant Morrison,

498
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Speaker 3: who was also kind of his entry point into comics.

499
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Speaker 3: And Grant has done interviews implying that some of the

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Speaker 3: ideas in this book may have been ideas that he

501
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Speaker 3: gave to Miller, And when you read the book you

502
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: can definitely feel that. So I always love a little

503
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Speaker 3: bit of comic book drama. But yeah, this is this

504
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: is a legendary book for a reason it's a simple concept,

505
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Speaker 3: but it also kind of has that it's kind of

506
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Speaker 3: a throwback to that Frank Miller era Dark Knight, where

507
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Speaker 3: you kind of have fictionalized versions of characters like Joseph

508
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: Stalin and John F. Kennedy, And it's definitely interesting to see. Also,

509
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: like the notions of how people think of Russia and

510
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Speaker 3: how they think of.

511
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Speaker 1: It makes you think of it, makes you think that

512
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Speaker 1: way about geopolitics and propaganda, etc.

513
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: Etc. Also, Superman, I mean Luther Batman, we get a

514
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: little bit more of that in this. We get some

515
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Speaker 3: really weird fun version of Batman. You get like Superman Robots,

516
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: you get Green Lantern's, but Green Lantern's that crashed at Roswell.

517
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Speaker 3: He's really fun, kind of old history and very cool

518
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Speaker 3: version of Lewis that I think people will be very

519
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Speaker 3: interested to see. And I also wonder if that aspect

520
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Speaker 3: of the book will end up being something that we

521
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Speaker 3: see brought into I hope so, because I love a

522
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: little like the romantic triangle. But yeah, I think it

523
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: will be really interesting to see how James Gunn, who

524
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Speaker 3: clearly is a student of comics and loves comic books,

525
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Speaker 3: how he even brings in influences from completely out their

526
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Speaker 3: books like this, which I mean is such a popular

527
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Speaker 3: book that they did a animated movie version of it recently,

528
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Speaker 3: and I think is the kind of book that we

529
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Speaker 3: could see get adapted at some point. But yeah, I'm

530
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Speaker 3: very interested to see what he does. I mean, Wow,

531
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Speaker 3: what a season of fun books we just recommended for you.

532
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 3: There lots to read.

533
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Speaker 1: We'll be back after a word from our sponsors to

534
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Speaker 1: talk about some Marvel Rivals inspired books. Okay, Mack, Marvel

535
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Speaker 1: Rivals the hit hero shooter free to play video game

536
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Speaker 1: that recently hit I think four hundred thousand plus concurrent players, and.

537
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Speaker 3: How levely you out on that game right now?

538
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Speaker 1: I am a Platinum three. Thank you for asking competitive.

539
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm mostly maning Mantis, but I will play the Winter Soldier, Magneto,

540
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange, Luna, snow Cloakagger as needed.

541
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Speaker 3: Groots as needed, as needed.

542
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: That said, many people have been asking I love these characters,

543
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: some of them that I you know, I'm not aware

544
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: of where should I start? And I think the top

545
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: of that list is this Jeff of the land Shark,

546
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Speaker 1: the Little fagged QTKA two D Shark, who is a

547
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: strategist in Marvel Rivals.

548
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: He heals with his stream of.

549
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Speaker 1: Water, and he also heals with little bubbles, and he

550
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: also can do some pretty good damage. Good good pick,

551
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: although players are getting better at countering his alts where

552
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: he swallows everybody.

553
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: Now the wonderall the Ledger.

554
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Speaker 3: Jeff the land Shark was created by Kelly Thompson and

555
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: Danielle Dinicuulo. Also, I would say You're a Hero is

556
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: the person who's most well known for drawing him. I

557
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: love that creative team. They're incredible. First appeared unnamed in

558
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: West Coast Avengers volume three, issue six, yes was named

559
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: in issue seven, and he was originally the pet kind

560
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: of shark land Shark of Gwen Paul and Kate Bishop,

561
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: and has also worked with Deadpool and Elsa Bloodstone, which

562
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Speaker 3: I love. I would say for this one, the best

563
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: option you have is Marvel do these comics called Infinity comics,

564
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Speaker 3: and there is an Infinity comic called It's Jeff, which

565
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: is You're a Hero and Kelly Thompson book, and it

566
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Speaker 3: is wonderful and fun, and I think if you want

567
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: to know about Jeff the babyland Shark, that's probably where

568
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: to go. Though I will say that Kelly Thompson twenty eighteen,

569
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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen West Coast Avengers book is great, So if

570
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: you want to check that out, to go for it.

571
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, It's Jeff has won Eisner's for Best Humor Publications.

572
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: It won, it was nominated for Best Digital Comic, and

573
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that it will be It's Jeff is probably

574
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 3: going to be collected and released after the success of

575
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: this movie, but you can read it online.

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Speaker 1: The thing I love about It's Jeff is as a

577
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Speaker 1: fan of superhero hangout scenes. I love, as we have

578
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: talked about. I love when the X Men played baseball.

579
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: I love when the Avengers are hanging up by the pool.

580
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of that in it It's Jeff.

581
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: Where Jeff.

582
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just like living with Kate Bishop, just like chilling,

583
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: and he is the darling of a superhero pool party.

584
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: Like who doesn't want to see that? That's like very

585
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: very fun Gwen and great Gwen and Kate moments in

586
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: the second part, So that one, I would say, is

587
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: your easy go to And you can kind of understand

588
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: how he became the fan favorite character that landed him

589
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: in his position now as an unexpected rival fave.

590
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 1: The next is Luna Snow, an other strategist healer from

591
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Speaker 1: Marvel Rivals Great pick with a like basically a game

592
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: shifting ultimate. She heels people all around her. She's very memorable,

593
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: has a very interesting character creation paths exactly. That's why

594
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna say she's very unique.

595
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: Tell us about it, Rosie.

596
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was essentially created for a game called Marvel

597
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: Future Fight, which I believe was able game from twenty eighteen.

598
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: And then she debuted in the comics kind of Harlequin

599
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: style in War of the Realms New Agents of Atlas,

600
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 3: which was really cool because you had the new iteration

601
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: of that famous team which is Asian American usually or

602
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: globally Asian superhero team. And then she was also if

603
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: you want to read something where you can just go

604
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: and read a series where she is kind of a

605
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: prime player is an Atlantis Attacks, which was in twenty twenty.

606
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: That series came out, And I think the thing that's

607
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 3: really interesting about her is this is actually the first

608
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: time that, especially in North America, most players are actually

609
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: meeting her, and also most comic characters because they probably

610
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: haven't come across this character before, they might not have

611
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: realized she was a new character when they were reading

612
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: her in the books that she was in, So yeah,

613
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: I'm very interested in this. I think it's very cool.

614
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: And the Atlantis Attacks book is a Greg Park story,

615
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: who's so fantastic, you know, we love him with the

616
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: art by Ario and detO, and it's basically like Agents

617
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: of Atlas versus name all the Samarana, so really interesting

618
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: stuff there. And I think, my gut, says Jeff de

619
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: land Shark already kind of a fan fave of character,

620
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: He's going to be in that same cozy, cute space

621
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Speaker 3: until someone does like a great Jeff the land Shark.

622
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: But.

623
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Speaker 2: Like, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.

624
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 3: But but I feel like Luna snow in the way

625
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 3: of who is going to now break out into the comics.

626
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: I feel like she is the breakout character that we

627
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: will probably see in more recent comics in a way

628
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: that is less just like, hey, this is a synergy

629
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: thing from this game to this. I think she is

630
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: going to be someone who really comes out and kind

631
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: of just makes people excited to see more of what

632
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 3: she can do. On the pages of the Marvel comics

633
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: were so many of these characters first debuted.

634
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about some characters that have been around

635
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: a while. First up Cloak and Dagger, Tandy Bowen and

636
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: the two for one. Now, let me just say one

637
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: thing about Cloak and Dagger, Tyrone Johnson and Tanny Bowen.

638
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: This is the thing about comics sometimes where you're like,

639
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: is this good? So let me get this straight. The

640
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: black guy is scary and well the white girl is like,

641
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: what is in bodies Light?

642
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: Can you tell it was? Can you tell it was

643
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: ran in like nineteen eighty two?

644
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: Let me get this straight. That's said.

645
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: You know, I think one of the things about comics

646
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: is it's constantly reevaluating itself and being like, Okay, this sucks,

647
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: but how do we make it better? And I do

648
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: think that Cloak and Dagger is a character that they've

649
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: they've significantly made it better from the original idea of it.

650
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: What are some good Cloak and Dagger?

651
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: I would I would say that interest definitely. If you

652
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 3: are someone who's open to reading like an old comic,

653
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Speaker 3: I would say the original Peter Parker issues Peter Parker

654
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Speaker 3: Spectacular Spider Man sixty four when they first debuted nineteen

655
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: eighty two. You gotta read them because it is really outrageous,

656
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: like they aren't there like injected with synthetic heroin that

657
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: gives them twins superpowers, you know, but it's a It

658
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: is Bill Mantlowe, who's like a famous writer who created

659
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: a lot of your favorite characters, and Ed Hannigan exactly,

660
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: so like I would say, those are interesting. They also

661
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: had their after that, They had a four issue limited

662
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: series with the Create, which was Bill mantlow writing and

663
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: Rick Leonardi who I love inked by Terry Austin obviously

664
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: we love him X Men legend, and that was kind

665
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 3: of where they would start getting more into the world

666
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: of the X Men, who they're very regularly affiliated with.

667
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: Although they are always saying it's it is true that

668
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: definitionally they are not. No, that said, they're for my taste,

669
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: and this does make it. This does strike me as

670
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: like very I think this is actually good writing. They're

671
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: a little too strident in there. Yeah yeah, yeah, they're

672
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Speaker 1: a little man actually mutants.

673
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's something there definitely, And interestingly there was ironically,

674
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: speaking of that, there was a series called The Mute

675
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: and Misadventures of Cloak and Dagger, which was very interesting

676
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: because Dagger was actually rendered blind, like she was blinded

677
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: in the first issue, and he and there was a

678
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 3: lot of work with the American Foundation for the Blind

679
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: to like try and do a story about blind superhero,

680
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: which is very interesting. I don't know if there's like

681
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: a definitive Cloak and Dagger story, but I would say

682
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: if you go into your comic shop and you went

683
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: into a and just said, hey, I would love to

684
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: read some Cloak and Dagger, any collection is probably gonna

685
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: give you a good selection of Spider Man issues, X

686
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 3: Men issues, that first mini series. And I do think

687
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: one of the things that I do really like about

688
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: this is whatever the power dynamic, which is dodgy. The

689
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: origin of Tyrone is actually like he is, he's got

690
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: a stutter, like he's just a normal black kid who

691
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: is essentially like horrified and seen when he sees like

692
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: his friend get shot by the police. So there's like

693
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: they're trying to do interesting stuff there, even if they

694
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: didn't necessarily like or is that it also that they

695
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 3: do have a lot of really funny stories from this

696
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: era because for some reason they would always use them

697
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 3: for like the PSA stories, So they have like a

698
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: war on drug story where they're like killing they're like

699
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: killing drug dealers.

700
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: Team Titans was another one that like, I think generation

701
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: of comics readers who first encountered various teams, I think

702
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: Cloak and Dagglers like that. Yeah, via these say no

703
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: to drugs type issues of that they would give away

704
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Speaker 1: in school.

705
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, very very funny. So yeah, that was just a

706
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: wild ride, Jason. We should definitely like deep dive because

707
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: I was just like, Wow, that was crazy.

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00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: Up next a character that actually made her debut in

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Speaker 1: we seventies but then started getting more fleshed out in

711
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: the eighties magics. So the sister of Peter Colossus of

712
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: the X Men. She's a big player in a lot

713
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: of really fun storylines that has a story and then

714
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: basically there was an eighties late eighties crossover that is

715
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: heavily that heavily features her. She is a really dangerous

716
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: damage dealing character in Marvel Rivals. Tell us about magic

717
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Speaker 1: and what are some good magic storylines?

718
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: I would also I would say, like one, I think

719
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: magic is like really notable because I love anime and

720
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 3: I feel like she's like the Marvel character that we

721
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: really saw get like a Berzarker sword, she got the

722
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: bust A sword. She yeah character, yeah, like she was

723
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 3: somebody was definitely looking there, but yeah, Illiana reputing Giant

724
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: Size X Men number one one of the most important

725
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 3: comics of all time, where Lemwin and Dave Cockrum where

726
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: they introduced her as Iliana Resputina and she was kind

727
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: of always just Colossus's little sister. But it would be

728
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: in the Chris Klamont era where Cliffs come on and

729
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: Sabashemma introduced her as Magic and we had I would say,

730
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: the Magic Mini series, which is from nineteen eighty three

731
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: in December. That's where we kind of learn about her

732
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: history in Limbo and her origin story where she was

733
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: stuck in Limbo, she had a battle in this space

734
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: and survive and then she basically just imagine immediately joins

735
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: the New Mutants, and I would say that that New

736
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: Mutant's era, that's probably what she is still most known for.

737
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: And obviously we love that era and some of the

738
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Speaker 3: I have these the Magic Limited series issues and the

739
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: covers are like so crazy. She's like in Limbo and she's.

740
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: A bil shinkevto did us no.

741
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: This was prior to that so I actually I don't

742
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 3: even know who did the cover for the second one,

743
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: but I remember that she is on the cover like

744
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: levitating over a pentagram holding her sword. It's such a dynamic,

745
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: strange cover. But obviously Sinkovic did the New Mutant stuff

746
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: that she is.

747
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: I think it's a.

748
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks so great and I I love this character. Again,

749
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: you know, not always done the best way she was. Definitely,

750
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: she was killed off by the most hated X Men storyline,

751
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 3: the Legacy virus. You know, There's Luckily she comes back

752
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 3: and it's okay, it's comics, no one ever really dies.

753
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: But I would say that Original Magic limited series is

754
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: really fun, and also obviously the Bil Synkovic New Mutant space. Definitely,

755
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: but There's Magic is still very popular. Understandably, lots of

756
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: creators like working with her. She's currently in the Blood

757
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: Hunt series. I think she like killed a bunch of vampires,

758
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: super badass. Love that for her. I really loved the

759
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: weird ex of Sword storyline they did in twenty twenty

760
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: where it's kind of like it's just like what if

761
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: all the X Men had like a badass like like

762
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: I love that, Like she was a bit in the

763
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: krakoa eras she was there one of X. You know,

764
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: I am just a big fan of this character. I

765
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: do hope. Though the New Mutants movie was terrible, my

766
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: dream is that Anna Taylor Joy will continue to play Magic.

767
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: So she is fantastic as Magic, Yes, fantastic. And then finally,

768
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: Penny Parker, Penny Parker is I love her, a bank

769
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: our character, a very defensive tank. This is a young

770
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: girl named Penny Parker in a spider mech from an

771
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: alternate to mention tell us about Penny Parker.

772
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 3: So Penny loves.

773
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: Let me tell you.

774
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: If you love my chemical romance, You're gonna love Penny Parker.

775
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: Penny Parker is a wild character created by It's True

776
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: Jerard Way with Jake Quiet and Ian Herring in Edge

777
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: of the Spider Verse issue five, the first volume of

778
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: those and she is in a cool ass mech suit,

779
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: the Spider exosuit, which she's always been in. And she

780
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: is I believe another daughter of Peter Parker from a

781
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 3: different era. I believe that is her origin. Story is

782
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: that she was if Peter Parker had been Yeah, Peter

783
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: Parker was her father. But she is Japanese in an

784
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 3: alternate universe, and that she had to carry on the

785
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: work of her father, Peter Parker from when she was

786
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: like nine. Uncle Ben and Aunt May were like, Bro,

787
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: you're the only one who can keep doing it, Like Bill,

788
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: You've got to be a nine year old genius building

789
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: this this sick mech, which is I think a very

790
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: irresponsible thing to do. Uncle Ben and aren't May, But

791
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: I understand it, and that's how he got this call

792
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: Baby with the big mech. I will say I would

793
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: just go for that original volume of the Spider Verse

794
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: because those are very fun stories and she has yet

795
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 3: to have like a big breakout story of her own,

796
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: but I do hope that changes after this because she

797
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: is just a really cool character and she's very She's

798
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: been in the Spider Army, you know, she's for Peter

799
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 3: Porker and Ezekiel Sims, who you know, famous villain from

800
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: the beloved movie Madam Webb. And yeah, so she's just

801
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 3: a really cool character. I'm excited to see her hopefully

802
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: get a little bit more shine, especially because with her

803
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: Spider Mac she is very powerful. And also the suit

804
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: is inspired by Neon Genesis Evangelian, which I love because

805
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 3: I'm an RD and I'm excited to hopefully see her

806
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: kind of break out in the same way as Luna

807
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: Snow and get a few more of those kind of

808
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: iconic books on her own after.

809
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: This up next, we're going to take a break, and

810
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: then it's time for book Club.

811
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Speaker 2: And we're back, Rosie.

812
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome all to our inaugural book club selection.

813
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: Space, in which.

814
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 1: We're going to be reading stuff that both we really

815
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: enjoy but also that hopefully we'll be getting us ready

816
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: for other things perhaps that are coming. And I think

817
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: our first selection does that. It is nineteen eighty six

818
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: is Daredevil Born Again by the incredible creative the very

819
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: iconic and influential creative team of Frank Miller and David Massicelli.

820
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: You know, see Batman Year one for more of their collaborations.

821
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: Very a very influential team of creators walking together.

822
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: Yes, and Born Again is a storyline that appeared just

823
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: in the main run of The Daredevil, a title I

824
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: think it was ten or twelve issues, maybe the year

825
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: of issues for Daredevil.

826
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Speaker 3: Hilariously not even it's like two twenty six to two

827
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: thirty three. So it's another one of those where you're like, wow,

828
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: this is just happening. Like they they put this as

829
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: a weekly comic and they had no idea that it

830
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: would go on to become this kind of legendary arc

831
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 3: for Daredevil, especially for Karen Page. And I will say

832
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 3: this is a controversial book that has.

833
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 2: We'll get that.

834
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll talk about it, but just put it. Just

835
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: have a little does agency is a see if this

836
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: is a book pore ful, comfortable reading. But it is

837
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: an important book because not only is it seen as

838
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: one of the best Dead Level runs of all time

839
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: and one of the most influential it and Mazakelli's art

840
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: is so iconic that even in the you know, much

841
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 3: maligned Daredevil movie, they were doing exact replicas of his

842
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: pages from this book. Also, this is the namesake of

843
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 3: the TV show which will be coming out on March fourth,

844
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 3: so we know it's why we're just going to be

845
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: taking a little bit from there. So this is going

846
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: to be very interesting because we will essentially be looking

847
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 3: at this book, reading this book, reading it along with

848
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: you guys, and then we will as we revisit at

849
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: the end of February, you guys will be able to

850
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: send in questions like kind of tell us your feelings

851
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: about the book, and then straight after we're going to

852
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 3: get that March debut of Dead Evil. So it's going

853
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 3: to be very interesting. This is also another This is

854
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty six, right, so this is that dark era,

855
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: gritty era of commedy.

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00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: This is the beginning.

857
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the important thing to mention is

858
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: in the eighties, the eighties was really kind of the

859
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: death of the Silver Age, the death of a lot

860
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: of the seventies kind of things. And what made it

861
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: that was this kind of turn towards more street level,

862
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: more violent, more personal kind of storytelling. And I think

863
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: Frank was obviously spearhead a lot of that through his miniseries,

864
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: He's Wolverine miniseries, through his work with Daredevil, his later

865
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: work with Batman. And I think that this is one

866
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: of those stories that kind of redefined for a while,

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Speaker 1: Oh definitely, and not always for the better, not kind

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Speaker 1: of stories could be told in comics. And so the

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Speaker 1: brief synopsis to get you started is, you know Matt Murdoch,

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Speaker 1: the Daredevil. He's been fighting crime in Hell's Kitchen for

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Speaker 1: a long time and being mostly successful. Also, he's you know,

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Speaker 1: got his secret identity where he is a lawyer for

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Speaker 1: the community and takes on a lot of cases pro bono,

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Speaker 1: but as a very active love life. All the while,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the kind of pillars of his

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Speaker 1: life start to be taken out. He's being sued, his

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Speaker 1: law office is under siege from these various cases. His

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Speaker 1: people around him start to be kind these kind offarious

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Speaker 1: falling apart different threats, and the one thing that he

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Speaker 1: can do when he wants to kind of feel like

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Speaker 1: he can take control of his life again, becoming daredevil,

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Speaker 1: is also becoming much much more complicated, and it all

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Speaker 1: comes to a head rather quickly, and he finds himself

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Speaker 1: basically at the lowest point that he's ever been in

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Speaker 1: his career. And what's behind this the kingpin? We think,

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Speaker 1: maybe perhaps Matt becomes fixated on that idea right that

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Speaker 1: it's the kingpin that is behind all of this, and

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Speaker 1: that kind of journey to the bottom for Matt, and

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Speaker 1: then that arduous climb up is the best parts of

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Speaker 1: this and what makes it worthwhile.

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Speaker 3: And I would say, if you've never read a Dead

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Speaker 3: Levil book, you can still join us for this one,

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Speaker 3: because this is the kind of story where when people say, hey,

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Speaker 3: what comics should I read? This is one of those

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Speaker 3: books where people will give you this book and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: this is essentially a showcase of especially nineteen eighty six

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Speaker 3: was a crazy year. You have Watchmen in thatrazy year,

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Speaker 3: you know, you have this, You then have the Dark

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Speaker 3: Knight returns, and you essentially end up in a situation

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Speaker 3: where comics is turned on its head for the next

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Speaker 3: twenty thirty For still now we're still feeling the ramifications

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Speaker 3: of the grittiness, the massive success.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the beginning of the era that would

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Speaker 1: give us like the Deaths of Superman, that kind of

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Speaker 1: like this is the beginning to that movement, and so

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Speaker 1: it's an important book from from that regard. Now, the

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Speaker 1: current page stuff is bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hypotheta. Let's just put out there the treatment

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Speaker 3: of women in this book not good. So if that's

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Speaker 3: an issue for you, understand, but you know us, we

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Speaker 3: will be talking about that honestly and thoughtfully throughout. So okay,

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Speaker 3: so we are going to read the entirety of Born Again,

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Speaker 3: and we will be revisiting it at the end of February,

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Speaker 3: So be sure to get your copy and read this

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Speaker 3: very iconic and very controversial story before then, so we

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Speaker 3: can look back at it and chat about it together

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Speaker 3: before the debut of the Disney Plus series.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of xtra Vision, we're diving into

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Speaker 1: the finale Skeleton Crew and then we'll be visiting where

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Speaker 1: it'll be Werewolf time, folks. The moon is rising.

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Speaker 2: You've been bidden.

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Speaker 1: Or scratched or otherwise impacted by a strange beast in

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Speaker 1: the night, and what has occurred? You've turned into a werewolf.

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Speaker 1: We'll be talking about werewolves. That's it for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, by.

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Speaker 4: Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kenseepsion and

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Speaker 4: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our

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Speaker 4: executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising

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Speaker 4: producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent

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Speaker 4: and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 3: and Heidi A discoored moderata