1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff moo. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Never told you protection of I Heart Radios. How effort. 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: We have something pretty pretty special a little different today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 4 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: As you know, we've been trying to shout out listeners 5 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: and other people we think are doing cool things at 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: the end of episodes and podcasts, podcasting podcast which Samantha 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: has been spearheading, um, and we that kind of came 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: simultaneously with another topic we want to talk about and 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: a podcast that we shouted out because as we record this, 10 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: not as you hear it in classics sminty fashion of course. Um. 11 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: It is a Native American Heritage month November. I thought 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: we're a little closer all the time from now than 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: we have before. Yeah, we're closing in, although a little 14 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: better now. I think it's just our thing. Maybe maybe 15 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: we should just stick with it. Um. But this is 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: so confusing because the episode we're talking about asn't published it, 17 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: but you should have heard it by now. Somebody we 18 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: shouted out, um has an amazing podcast, some kind of 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: brown podcast. Yes, Natalie Evans is doing a fantastic job 20 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: with some kind of Brown. She's been on I think 21 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: a year and a half. What she said, it's a 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: podcast about multi racial, biracial and many multicultural ideas behind 23 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: and what it's like to be in that life or 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: in that moment. However, she identifies as Indigenous Black Um 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: and she is very, very obviously passionate about indigenous and 26 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: Native Um people and wanted to have their stories told, 27 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: which is I think it is very important as well. 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: And of course I mentioned a couple of times because 29 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, I don't hear it often, but she does 30 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: include in a racial adoption as a part of our 31 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: conversation too, and loved that because and I think I've 32 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: talked about as often. I feel really confused about my 33 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: identity a lot of the times because my identity is 34 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: conflicting to what I grew up with with who I am, 35 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: my actual ethnicity, And so what she's doing is just fantastic. 36 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: And also she's looking into the LGBTQ plus world and 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: being inclusive and I love all of the things. And 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: I feel like it's very much in the spirit of 39 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: sminting and what we want to do and what we 40 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: want to talk about. And yeah, so when we saw 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: her podcast, and I was very excited about she was 42 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: doing UM red November, which was highlighting the hashtag m 43 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: M I W or the missing and Murdered Indigenous women 44 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: and talking about those conversations and trying to bring a 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: lot more highlights than I know you did an episode 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: as well. So it just flit in a line perfectly 47 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: that we try to connect and she was so willing 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: and so we were so excited to have her on 49 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: the show. Yeah. And one of the things we asked 50 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: of her would be was to talk about some some 51 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: women famous, well maybe not famous, but they should be 52 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: famous Indigenous women, UM, that we we all should know 53 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: more about. And she was great adalyst, Like how many 54 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: I could go on and on, UM. But we do 55 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: want to say before we get into this, just a 56 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: general disclaimer, and we do mention this in the interview, 57 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: but history is tricky when it comes to I mean 58 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: just in general honestly, UM, but also when it comes 59 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: to colonization in the United States, sources can be hard 60 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: to come by. And also UM pronunciations, Uh yeah, because 61 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: there's no source like today peek behind the scenes. What 62 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: I do. I go to a pronunciation website. If it's 63 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: not on there, then I go to YouTube and try 64 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: to find somebody saying whatever it is that doesn't necessarily 65 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: exist for for the women, um that we're going to 66 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: talk about, so trying our best. Feel free to write 67 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: as if you know, yeah, I feel free to write 68 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: in and let us let us know that us give 69 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: us a gentle correction. Um. But yeah, let's let's hop 70 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: into the interview. My name is Natalie Evans and I'm 71 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: the host of some kind of Brown podcast. My podcast 72 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: is mostly about mixed in my multi racial life, cultural 73 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: issues and current events that are going on, and exploring 74 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: what it really means to my multicultural or multi racial 75 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: sometimes bi racial ethnic background isn't what that really means. 76 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: So we cover everything from reconnecting the cultures to accepting 77 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: some of the negatives or how to deal with things 78 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: like you know, the normal things like people putting their 79 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: hands in your hair and not having boundaries. It's there's 80 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: a lot of things that kind of fall under under 81 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: that umbrella. But for me specifically, I am reconnecting with 82 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: my native indigenous side, so I get to document that 83 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: through the podcast and it led to my Red November projects, 84 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: which I think is probably found me and what we're 85 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: talking about today, right, And could you explain a little 86 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: bit about your Red November project, because yes, that is 87 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: one of the things I was like, Oh, this is awesome. Uh, 88 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: The November is an actute passion project for me. It's 89 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: something that I wanted to do since I started. I 90 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: said that, like, I've had a podcast for a long time. 91 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: I had it for a year and a half. But 92 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: it is a series that focuses on the m m 93 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: i W or Missing a Murdered Indigenous Women, Girls two 94 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: Spirit People movement, and it kind of approaches this systemic 95 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: problem from the angle of different Native, non binary and 96 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: women in our different perspectives. I talked to people from 97 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: all different walks of life and how it affects us 98 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: and some of the problems when we're looking at the 99 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: end my W movement went so necessary, and the fact 100 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: that we can't find any information on the women who 101 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: are missing, and the fact that we very very rarely 102 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: do any of these cases or women get any kind 103 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: of publicity. It's something that's very painful and something that 104 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: is slowly coming to light. And then really excited to 105 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: see that people are listening. Awesome, UM, and we have 106 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: you on here today because I would say the work 107 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: that you do is fantastic and important, and we wanted 108 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: you to kind of have a platform here with us 109 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: to talk to us about these different fights, I guess 110 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: is what the best way we can put it? UM 111 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: and movements that you guys are you are specifically pushing 112 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: through and trying to get noticed for, which is awesome 113 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: in your own podcasts which try to highlight um, the 114 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: different cultures as well as the difficulties and the issues 115 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: of being multiracial, biracial, all of those things. And you 116 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: had even included UM international adoption, which applies to me. 117 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's very excited to see that, which we 118 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: highlighted your podcast on well episode that's coming that we 119 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: haven't published yet but has already recorded it there exist publicly, 120 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: it's I didn't acknowledge it's happening. UM. So today I 121 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: asked you to come on because it is UH Native 122 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: American Heritage Month as we record that as we're recording, 123 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: because yeah, by the time this is published is over, 124 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: we're a little late. But as to talk about it 125 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: always good to talk about, yes, as we should UM. 126 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: And so you came on and you actually sent us 127 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: a giant list which I love, UH with the things 128 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: that you want to talk about, people you want to 129 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: talk about, So let's go ahead and get started. Yeah, okay, 130 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: all right. You told me that originally you were thinking 131 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: about talking about historical Native figures, particularly women or two 132 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: spirit people and do you say massive lists, But this 133 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: is just a tiny, tiny little list of amazing women 134 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: that you can look into. In a lot of Native 135 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: Native cultures, women are kind of the bear bearers of tradition. 136 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: A lot of these women who stand out in history 137 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: were also warriors. Most of the tribes are not cillennial, 138 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: which means that plans and traditions have passed down from 139 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: the mother. It's something that was very women were very 140 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: equal or sometimes a little higher in certain tribes. But 141 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: as colonization and the boarding schools and residential schools tried 142 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: to westernize the culture, that's one of the things that 143 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: kind of leaked in but is being worked on out. 144 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: The codine is Showny Confederacy or the Iroquois Confederacy. They 145 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: are probably one of the most matrimonial groups that I've 146 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: heard of as a group of nations. They just have 147 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: more female led traditions. What was what are some of 148 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: those traditions? One of them, like I said is clans 149 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: passed down from the mother. So if your mother was 150 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: born in one plan and the fathers and another, the 151 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: mother's fans kind of like last names with difference. They 152 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: also have a lot of medicine as a lot of 153 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: women who are famous for being medicine women's So those 154 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: are two of the biggest things. Women as leaders and 155 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: warriors and mothers. That's just a very revered position in 156 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: Native culture. So yeah, let's go ahead and talk about 157 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: some of these women. You're right, it's not a very 158 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: vast last list. It should be way way way more. 159 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: There are obviously way way way more, But for her 160 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: time and purposes, let's start with some of the big 161 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: figures and names that you want to talk about. Okay, 162 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: we have to Prina Buffalo calf Road, woman's Perna Elizabeth 163 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: want to make her. Of course, I can't pronounce the 164 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: for a Trovic. The Polish sounding name was all the 165 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: things I could not find the plantation of her thinking names, 166 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: so unfortunately can't say that one as Tish Callista and 167 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: Madonna stutter Hawk. They're all from different groups, and actually 168 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: two of them on opposite side, which is kind of interesting. 169 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: But Toy Parina is there for person on my list, 170 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: and she is of the tongue of the tribe located 171 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: in the Los Angeles basin. And there's a little bit 172 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: of controversy over what the tribe is called, because once 173 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: they're not nationally recognized, and two the government called the 174 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: tribe something else. It's been very interesting. Colonization is the 175 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: problem for records. But she was a medicine woman who 176 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: opposed Spanish rule. When she was nine the Spanish colonizers invaded. 177 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: It is colonized. There's two strong words. I don't know, okay, uh, 178 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: I don't like to call it. There's a group of 179 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: people who are using colonizers to talk about current people, 180 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: and I think that's a little too harsh of a narrative. 181 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: We're trying to talk about inclusivity and awareness and education. 182 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: But these are actual colonizers. So colonizer good, okay. They 183 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: made it their goal, of course, to convert the people 184 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: and erased their cultural practice days. I'm sure at the 185 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: like four pages and everyone's history books makes it clear 186 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: why the pornies of Americans needed to learn the Western 187 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: Way and any attempts to this assimilation or conversion resulted 188 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: in our speeding torture and they see them be killed. 189 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: Things reached they're breaking point when traditional dances were banned 190 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: and toy Prina helped unite six villagers to attack the 191 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: San Gabriel Mission. Even though their attacks failed, toy Prina 192 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: was seen as a witch. She was just died in 193 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: the end. She was baptized and exiled. I can only 194 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: imagine against her will. But she is still a figure 195 00:12:55,400 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: of bravery and leadership and very celebrated. There's a play 196 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: based on her. According to the research I found, there 197 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: is a play about her life. Um, and that was 198 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: not surprising. Yeah, premiered at the San Gabriel Mission Playhouse 199 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: in and towards California in um and also apparently there's 200 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: a short film about her life and a book called 201 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: Zoro has an homage to her by Isabelle Allende Allende. Yes, yeah, so, um, 202 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: she's not someone unfortunately I had never heard of her 203 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: both right, I haven't either. But I like that there's 204 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: increasing awareness about about her and that there's this art 205 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: being made about her. I have seen a lot of 206 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: artworks that are that have been made in that I think. Unfortunately, 207 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: unless you're looking for her, mostly good people in Los 208 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: Angeles based in or in that area no occur. And 209 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: that's about it, um, which is the case sometimes. But 210 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: I don't know all of these women. Their stories are 211 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: like their feet. You read about them. On the one hand, 212 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: you feel a bunch of pride from reading about their 213 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: strengths and the things that they were able to do. 214 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: But at the same time, we kind of know how 215 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: this story goes. Yeah, and it's much just been a romanticize. 216 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is, it's pretty horrifying, the 217 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: narrative in it. All right, So the next woman you 218 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: had on your list with Buffalo calf Road Woman, which 219 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: is an intense name, and that is their only name, 220 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: it is. There is a her name in Northern Cheyenne. 221 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: I can't I couldn't find how to pronounce it. But 222 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: she is of the Northern Cheyenne tribe. And if you've 223 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: heard of the battle a little big born m I 224 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: don't know, but um me a differing in the min spool. 225 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: So I'm fancy, super fancy, super fancy. Uh, But yeah, 226 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: you should have heard about blow cast bread woman. If 227 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: you don't know by name, you probably have heard of 228 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: Lutenic kneal fluster yeah, yeah, I don't really. Yeah, so 229 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: even if you're on the bottle, you know him. And 230 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: she was the one who knocked him off of his 231 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: course before he died. Wow, I shouldn't be proud of that, 232 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: but I kind of am. Come on now that I 233 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: should celebrate anyone's death. Well, this is not actually her 234 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: first displaced prowess as a lawyer. She also fought in 235 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: the Battle of the Rosebud, and the Cheyenne called the 236 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: battle the battle with the Woman saved her brother, I believe, 237 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: because they were losing and her brother, the Chief comes 238 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: in Sight, was injured and she's turned her horse around 239 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: gallop both felt the deep of the fighting and saved 240 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: her brother. The Lakota and Cheyenne, who are fighting together 241 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: joined forces under crazy Horse, were inspired by her bravery 242 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: and turned around and won the battle a little big horn. 243 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: She also fought alongside of her husband's black Coyote, and 244 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,479 Speaker 1: after the battle, she and her family were captured, unfortunately 245 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: and relocated. But like she's another woman whose fighting spirit 246 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: is an inspiration for some of us Native women and 247 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: people in general. She's such a boss. She went through 248 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: all these things. She fought in these battles, it. She 249 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: proved her prows warrior and her husband Ryle and jail. 250 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: She died from diphtheria or malaria. We're not sure which, like, 251 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: after everything she's been through, that's going to take her 252 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: down really, But I mean this kind of sounds about 253 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: right as you come through that type of colonisation and 254 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: the diseases that was brought by those types of people. Um, 255 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: that had actually killed a many of tribes and many 256 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: of indigenous people at that point in time. And it 257 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: is sad, but you know, she couldn't be taken down 258 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: ours out of a force of nature. I guess it's sad. 259 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: But also if you look at it, no no person 260 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: put down exactly. She was too strong for people to 261 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: put on. Its too strong for the individual. Man. I'm 262 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: just saying it couldn't be done by man. So other 263 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: happens deep, Oh my god, totally totally unrelated. But my 264 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: brain immediately went to Lord of the Rings. Yes, okay, 265 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: we like that reference. Go ahead, go ahead with a reference. 266 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: Because one of the leaders of the Black Writers couldn't 267 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: be killed be killed by a man and was killed 268 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: by a woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the way, man. 269 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm no man okay, so good, it was good. Don't 270 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: get us off track myself like that. We love and 271 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: classics or the rings come on, so going on. So 272 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: it's Elizabeth Wanna Maker Paratrovich. I literally looked up more 273 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: of the native print stations of their names than I 274 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: did on that one. So we'll just say Paratrovich, which 275 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: is not fair. I don't know. I preferred to call 276 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: people by their indigence for native names. Understanding understandable. She 277 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: is part of the Linkett tribe, and someone can at 278 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: me and if I'm pronounced them that wrong because it 279 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: felt completely differently. But they're in Alaska. She was adopted 280 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: at a young age, and one of the reasons why 281 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: I really wanted to use her name her original print name, 282 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: is because she only got the name Elizabeth Wanta Maker 283 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: after she was adopted, which kind of makes my heart 284 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: out of that whole eraser thing. And she gained that 285 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: wonderful is it polish? I have no idea last name 286 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: from her husband's roy but they were both Native, and 287 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: they became the grand president of the Alaska Native Brotherhood 288 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: and Sisterhood, and they eventually moved to Juno. And we're 289 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: confronted by the no natives allowed buying all over the 290 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: Uh there's some siens say no dogs and no natives 291 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: like excuse me, so frustrating. But Elizabeth's probus and was 292 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: determined to bring change. So she directed and presented the 293 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: Anti Discrimination Act, and it was the first shot down. 294 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: And she in that teen three, I believe, and she 295 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: reads to put it before or the Senate in nineteen 296 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: and just to kind of paint a picture of what 297 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: she was like, I kind of has to say a 298 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: quote from someone who's not very nice, so to give 299 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: you a picture of the kind of discrimination that needed 300 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: fased in Alaska Senator for event, Senator Allen has it 301 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: felt comfortable enough to say and a quote. Far from 302 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: being brought close together which will results from this act, 303 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: the racist should be kept further apart. He said, who 304 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: are these people, barely out of savagery who want to 305 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: associate with us white with five thousand years of recorded 306 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: civilization behind us? Oh my god. Her response to that 307 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: was was kind of amazing to Sander Allen. She said, 308 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: I would not have expected that I, who am barely 309 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: out of savagery, wouldn't have to remind gentlemen, was five 310 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: thousand years of recorded civilization behind them of our Bill 311 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: of rights. Yeah. Yeah, she testified last in defense of 312 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: the act, and whatever she said, she was able to 313 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: move the entire assembly. Some people said that there was 314 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: cheers everywhere and certain ovation and her work resulted in 315 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: Alaska being the very first date to pass INTI discrimination legislation, 316 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: but did pass in that's amazing, that is amazing. Yeah, 317 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: we have some more women we want to talk about listeners, 318 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: but first we have a quick break for a word 319 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: from our sponsors, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. Let's 320 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: get into the interview to put that into perspective. We 321 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: didn't really have remember were joining from themself Arkansas specifically, 322 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: we had segregation filled the seventies, right, so yeah, this 323 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: this act was very ahead of it time. Right. Oh yeah, 324 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: it looked like and Annie had put in here that 325 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: it would have been nearly twenty years before the federal 326 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: civil rights side would be passed, as well as fourteen 327 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: years before Alaska would become a state, which is phenomen 328 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: minal timing that she was able to push that hard 329 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: and get that accomplished. Yeah, she obviously had some kind 330 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: of gift of word speech because she was able to 331 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: move people who were so set in their ways of 332 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: thinking of progress or ways of looking at Native people 333 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: that they would pass this after it had bedn't failed. 334 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: So I don't know what kind of magical words she used, 335 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:34,239 Speaker 1: but we need to imagine right now. Yes, for a 336 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: few reasons. For a few reasons. Uh yeah, And I 337 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: read that the United States meant will have a one 338 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: dollar coin featuring her, So oh, I didn't hear that. 339 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: That's exciting. That was very exciting. Looks like her son 340 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: um sculpted a bronze bust in honor of her as 341 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: in the state Lobby of Alaska as well. So she's 342 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: a second nificant portion to the history of Alaska, which 343 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: is beautiful. Yeah, did you see the um? We can 344 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: do it? What was that that? Ward time? Any derivat? Yeah, 345 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: she's they have one for her too, and I like 346 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: that one a lot. Oh, yeah, that's awesome. That is 347 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: awesome saying that right. I could not find a pronunciation 348 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: for her name unfortunately, so somebody can correctice. I'm sure 349 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: somebody will. They will hit me up on Twitter. I'm sorry, 350 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: go ahead, so us tish point for the point I'm 351 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: going forward? Who is who are they well, as we 352 00:24:54,640 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: were talking about pollinization, pitch prosity. This a kind of 353 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: hard story, but as Tish was one of the last 354 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: satte or two spirit leaders, and I think when I 355 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: was talking to you, I mentioned transgender, but to spirit 356 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: isn't directly correlated to transgender. It's the closest English term 357 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: that we have for it, but that's not exactly what 358 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: it was. In Almost all Native cultures had too spirit people. 359 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: But you weren't just a different gender than the one 360 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: you were assigned at birth. I say that because that's 361 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: the term most accepted right now, but often chiness. Gender 362 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: wasn't really design in Native communities. But you are something 363 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: more if you were to spirit mhm. It's uh. It 364 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: was really a third gender, was beyond the gender binary. 365 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: And they were also given positions of leadership and we're 366 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: highly who respected members of their communities. Tish was the 367 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: head of the bott, the two spirit leaders in her time. 368 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: So we mentioned the Battle of the road Side with 369 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: Buffalo cath road Woman. She actually fought on the side. Yeah, 370 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: So that battle was between the Cheyenne and Lakotas d 371 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: on one side with Crazy Horse and Buffalo cast road Woman. 372 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: And on the other side was the Crow into Shawne people. 373 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: So it was a little a little weird to kind 374 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: of read the different perspectives in telling their stories, because 375 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: on the one hand, you have all this bravery from 376 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: Buffalo cath Road woman and celebrating her for being able 377 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: to turn the battle around, and then when you're talking 378 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: about Ostreet, they talked about her prowess and bravery even 379 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: though they love So it's very interesting and as usual, 380 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: it's about land. And there was a graphic I saw 381 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: the other day about how just from seventeen seventy six 382 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: you can see the number of Native Americans and where 383 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: they were allowed to be just dwindle across the state, 384 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: and it forced not only mative people to fight against 385 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: the colonizers but also against each other because their lands 386 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: are being taken away. But again, they Artist and the 387 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: Crow and Sny lost and eventually the crew were confined 388 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: to a reservation. Unfortunately, at the time there were a 389 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: lot of missionaries and government agents that kind of ran 390 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: the reservations. That's not so much the case anymore now 391 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: sovereign nation have their own government, which is another story. 392 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: At the time, but people did not accept two spirits 393 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: people it is outside their sensibilities. The nicest way I 394 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: seemed stay it. Yeah, So just like in the boarding 395 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: schools and the residential schools, hair was cut off. Two 396 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: spirit people were forced to wear men's clothes and do 397 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: quote unquote men's work. And in the face of that, 398 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: Ashtosh wore or neat dresses with pride and when after 399 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: kind of work she did, she always did, she did 400 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: women's work. She was one of the last two spirit 401 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: people across all Native cultures, two be alive. It was 402 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 1: effectively wiped out for the most part between boarding schools 403 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: and residential schools and just people dying off. And unfortunately 404 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: a lot of two spirit people walked on before their turying. 405 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: I think can remonderous. It's it's really hard to talk 406 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: about these kinds of situations because it's easy to get 407 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: really emotional and go off, but that's what you know, 408 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: it's not gonna bring anyone back to life, and it's 409 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: it's just really tough to read about these situations. You 410 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: just have all this anger that has nowhere to go on, right, 411 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you're somewhere to go here, because it's true, 412 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: it is infuriating to see that as a culture, what 413 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: that was accepted then was taken away from them because 414 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: of a bigotry idea of what is normal, which, of 415 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: course again we're having to come back to and have 416 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: conversations about, and we're nowhere near progressing, especially when it 417 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: comes to um as you say, the two genders as 418 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: transgender as we know it, or that's the best this 419 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: way we can say identify with it. I guess that 420 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: is still such a fight to understand, bigger than the 421 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: scope of gender and being gendered in general. Yeah, And 422 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: the really hard thing is that even though there are 423 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: a lot of moves to revitalize cultural practices, a lot 424 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: of the information is a lot the boy passed down, 425 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: The two spirit leaders passed out a lot of information 426 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 1: amongst themselves, And if they're all gone and nothing's written, 427 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: what's they're for us to revitalize? Mm hmm. So we 428 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: have people who are too spirit and those things that 429 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: are kind of becoming more acceptable again. But what's missing 430 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: is the medicine the leadership did, tradition that came along 431 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: with it. So like other things that Native people are 432 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 1: trying to revitalize, we can only kind of look at 433 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: things as a guide and then do what we can 434 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: with it in our in the scope of our modern culture. 435 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: So this is one of those lessons that we have 436 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: to learn and look back and make sure that history 437 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: doesn't repeat itself raising a culture or an idea or 438 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: or people's in general, which is infuriating and heartbreaking in 439 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: all the same ways in different ways. I guess says, 440 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: but I did read. So we are reading that the 441 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: Crow tribe did stand behind her um when she refused 442 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: to conform to the European roles that they were trying 443 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: to place on them. Oh, they absolutely before that and 444 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: supported her because she was a leader and they had 445 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: already seen what she could do. She more of an 446 00:31:54,280 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: earned her position. Unfortunately, later in her life she faced 447 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: some kickbacks. When we talk about the the residential schools 448 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: and boarding schools, they were there's really no nice way 449 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: to say. They were horrific. People were brainwashed and tortured, 450 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: and one of the things that they did effectively was 451 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: take a whole generation of me Is people and make 452 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: them feel inadequate or that their practices were outdated. And 453 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: that's still something we're struggling with this day, because there's 454 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: a generational gap between knowledge so you have that the 455 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: last generation to fight, and then the generations that lived 456 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: and grew up through the boarding school systems, and then 457 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: our generation who's trying to revitalize the tradition. And so 458 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people have heard them talk about the 459 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: try to talk to their grandmother's about certain practices, and 460 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: they're very resisdent. We don't do that anymore. Not all 461 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: people who went to the residential schools and boy schools 462 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: are like that right under that kind of psychological torture. 463 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: I can't say anything about the people who kind of 464 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: changed or assimilated, because that's just a survival skill you have. 465 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: If you're going to die or be tortured, you have 466 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: to assimilate, right And that's that is exactly what colonization 467 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: was to bring the shame factor. If there's only one 468 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: culture that is correct, and it is whatever the strongest 469 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: or the most most forceful culture at that point in time, 470 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: which is absolutely kind of this whole whitewashing of history 471 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: for so many cultures in general, and I mean whitewashing 472 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: and it is it is a horrific thing that it 473 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: brings on a shame factor for those who have a 474 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: different take or different understanding and different culture on different background, 475 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: which is, yeah, you're right, this is unfortunate, and it's 476 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to take that here, that perspective from 477 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: you about how your generation is coming in trying to relearn, 478 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: but you are battling with the still stained factor from 479 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: the past generations that they were taught or they were tortured, 480 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: or they're forced on to them, which is, yeah, I've 481 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: never actually thought about that in the bigger picture. It's 482 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: it's very it's something that you don't seem normally, especially 483 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: if you're not connected to a native community. So some 484 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: of my friends are in Nubia in Alaska and they 485 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: have the traditional tin tattoos, and there are some women 486 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: in the community who are older who see it as 487 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: a bad thing because that's something they left behind. They 488 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: evolved past that now, but more and more women are 489 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: getting those traditional tattoos, and I think it's absolutely beautiful 490 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: that they're able to because it really came from I 491 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: think one book or one reported book about tattooing and 492 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: how they did it and what the different clans and 493 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: people have different patterns, and I guess that they're just 494 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: kind of building it up from there, right and what 495 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: you're doing with bringing it forward and talking about the 496 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: history is also very very important, so we can see 497 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: and recognize the tragedy that happens when you oppress a 498 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: culture in the society and the history that is lost 499 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: on that as Well's a good job, Natalie, I think. 500 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I am absolutely not an expert in 501 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: any of these cultures, in any of these specific types. 502 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: They're not mine any one on this list, first of all, 503 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: and second of all, I am nick, even if I 504 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: am significantly indigenous, but I had to I'm having to 505 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: reconnect later in life anyway. And it's only because I 506 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: have two people who grew up within their culture and 507 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: made actual steps to educate myself that I can even 508 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: speak it right, right, But I think what's and yes, 509 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: there are definitely a lot of experts out there, but 510 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: coming out and having conversations and and making sure people 511 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: still know or at least understand the bigger history is 512 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: phenomenal in itself. And also, yes, you definitely have a drive, 513 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: which is beautiful to make sure, honestly, if anyone this knowledge, 514 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: this information is available to everyone, right, which should be 515 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: we should have more stuff on this. Moving on, to 516 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: the next person. And I'm not sure I'm gonna be 517 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: able to say this name talk to me to thank you. 518 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure again, um idea, But she is are you? 519 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: Are you? But she was an advocate for the people 520 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: and also an author. She was one of the first 521 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: well I think she was the first published Native American woman, 522 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: and she published a book called Life among the Pi 523 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: Their Wrongs and Claim in nixt or eighteen eighty three. 524 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: She witnessed a lot of atrocities and violence against the 525 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: people and always spoke out against her treatment. And when 526 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: I think she spoke out, she gave used over three 527 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: hundred deejas on the true de maltreatment of Native people. 528 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: She lived through the Vanic War of eighteen seventy eight 529 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 1: and rescued a group of yed people, including her father, 530 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: and continue to speak out even after she and a 531 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: group of play were forcibly located to the Yakima res 532 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: Vation until her death. Joke me tona spot for land 533 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: vites and human rights of Native people. It might not 534 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: be a surprise too, were people as she came from 535 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: a line of leaders, as a daughter of the chiefs 536 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: and the granddaughter of Chi's truck e. Unfortunately, there's not 537 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: too too much information I could find on her beyond that, 538 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: but we still have her writings, her book is still available, 539 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: so that's us. And for sure I know that the 540 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: right people talk about her a lot in there in Nevada. 541 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: Three hundred speeches. It's impressive. It's impressive speaking out in too. 542 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:52,439 Speaker 1: You're like, what, as an indigenous female, what that takes 543 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot of courts excres So let me to speak 544 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: out in our community. It is not an abnormal thing, 545 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: but when you're facing culture that is kind of the opposite, 546 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: especially in the eighteen hundreds, I'm sure it was very 547 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: odd to look at probing all this freedom and respect 548 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: is a Native woman and then seeing the culture that 549 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: you were trying to be forced into. Yeah, M I 550 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: can only imagine. I want to read her book. Really 551 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: need to find that book. Next moment, c yeah, or 552 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: less that we haven't started. I have a list you have, 553 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: I know you have, I know you have. And then 554 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about Madonna thunder Hawk. There's one 555 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: before that? Sorry? Which one is? Okay? I'm really excited? 556 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: Is it to lost? Or? Red Food was a young 557 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: napton Youngstown in Dakotas to and she's another writer, but 558 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: she's also a musician and activists. Her books were written 559 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: among the first to spread traditional Native stories and she wrote. 560 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: She even wrote part of the first Native American opera 561 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: called the Sun Dance Opera in nineteen thirteen. While her 562 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: writings of her experiences with boarding school of life and 563 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,720 Speaker 1: stories are probably enough to make her historical figure. National 564 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: and made the National Council for American Indians in nineteen 565 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: twenty six, and this enabled her to lobby for Native 566 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: rights to the United States citizenship and civil rights. She 567 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: served as president until her death in nineteen thirty eight. 568 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: So we have another strong woman and leadership not just 569 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: in the tribe but outside of it is law, So 570 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: there's another another I don't know the operas are put 571 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: into a book, but I'm sure she wrote an other 572 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: books that you can add your boys. I think she 573 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: she was pretty prolific. Um as she wrote and uh 574 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: from recording for what I found the Atlantic Monthly and 575 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: Harper's Monthly. Um, So yeah, that's I think some of 576 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: her works are out there. People should definitely go check 577 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: them out. Yeah. The College Hall is also just a 578 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 1: beautiful horror and she is another image of Indigenous native 579 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 1: strength and perseverance. I don't know, I want a seriously 580 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: like you know, as a kid, you have all those 581 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: put stories of bands and stuff on your walls. I 582 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: kind of want to saw all these women on my 583 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 1: be awesome. Can put it on your phone now as 584 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: a motivation. Now there you go, not on not on 585 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 1: the walls anymore? Is on your phone? Has you open 586 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: it up? My room is still covered in posters. I 587 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: don't know what you're saying. Your house is covered in posters. 588 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: Never mind, I haven't. I haven't graduated from that. I 589 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: do too. I do toot on the ceiling too. So 590 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: you wake up in the is all these amazing women. Yeah, 591 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: that'd be better than what I have. But I still 592 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: do in your ceiling. That guy, I mean eventually you 593 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: just ran into space and you have to put stuff 594 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: on the feelings. Never I've never been there. But okay, 595 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: that's my entire life. But I like this idea much better. 596 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: This is more than like Harry Potter and Star Wars, 597 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: perhaps more motivate, normal, realistic. Yeah you are, I'm just 598 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: actually is probably better than what she's got, So keep 599 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,320 Speaker 1: giving her the ideas. It would be more work appropriate. 600 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: At least I could be like, well, these are the 601 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 1: people to better myself by looking at these motivational warriors. Yeah, 602 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: oh my goodness. All right, next we can get over 603 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: more ideas. Now we're down to Yes, Madonna Thunderhawk, Yeah, 604 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: all right, tell us about her. She's the last first normalist, 605 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: and of every mormalist, she's actually still alive. Don't know. 606 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: I said that ignored that be would be alive as congratulations, 607 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: not that being dead as that, you know whatever. She 608 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: lived through a lot of crazy things, So she is 609 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: Cheyenne River Sue. And I think she's still in South Dakota, 610 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: so she's not only alive, still alive that organized the 611 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: protest against the Daquota pipeline in two thousand and sixteen, 612 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: and she was like, wow, did she organized that? She's 613 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: seventy eight and she doesn't look it by the pictures 614 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 1: I've seen, And I have no doubt she has one 615 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: thousand percent a woman to be reckoned with. When I 616 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: read through everything she's seen and taken part in, I 617 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: just cannot imagine what it's like to have lived through 618 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: all these things and still have all the fire that 619 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 1: she stilled. But She was part of the Red Power movement, 620 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: which I didn't even know what the thing that makes sense. 621 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: It was the sixties and seventies, so guys, black power, 622 00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: I just read power goes right along with it. Uh. 623 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: Her first foray, as far as I could, Yeah, as 624 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: far as I found, was protesting during the nineteen sixty 625 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: nine to nineteen seventy one occupation of Outfit Dras. I 626 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: had ever heard of this, but apparently there was a 627 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: treaty between the government and those Dakota people that called 628 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: the Treaty of Fort Larmie that said all retired, abandoned, 629 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: or out of US federal land was to be returned 630 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 1: to the Lakotas who wants to occupied it, And so 631 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 1: they moved there from nineteen nine seventy one. And something 632 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: surprised that the protest wasn't successful. The United States is 633 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 1: not really known for giving the land that It blows 634 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 1: my mind that she also went through this as well. 635 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: Wounded me is I don't know if all we call 636 00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: it soul crushing, It's one of those moments that art 637 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: a lot. And if he's bread there in my heart, 638 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: it wounded me. You might know why so bad, but 639 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,720 Speaker 1: I highly recommend everyone read it. I think it should 640 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: be required reading in high school personally, but um, I 641 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: don't know if our government in this current climate is 642 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:25,720 Speaker 1: ready for me to put that in school. Uh. But 643 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: even after that, like I said, this woman has so 644 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 1: much stamina and so much perseverance. I don't even I 645 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: just can't. She served as a director of the Wounded 646 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 1: Me Legal Defense Offense Commity in December of Night Team 647 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: seventy five. She also founded the Warrior Woman Project. And 648 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: there's kind of so many more organizations and movements to 649 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 1: fight for news American people and right, and she's still 650 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: doing this work. That's awesome. I mean, another another person 651 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 1: to look to, to to respected, to be inspired by. 652 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: So I would cry at that demean her. The ultimate 653 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: goal to meet her. Yeah, obviously she's still because the 654 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,040 Speaker 1: pipeline issue hasn't been resolved other than no one's acknowledging it. 655 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: To my knowledge, I think that the code of Pipeline 656 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: is active, but we don't know that. There have been 657 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 1: like oil stills and all sorts of problems. The pipeline 658 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: is going through Native land are legal, may violate several treaties, 659 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: but to fight and other things, Native voices have not 660 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: had the impact this they should have had, not right 661 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: their own fault, but by our government and the news 662 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,760 Speaker 1: media and how things are covered, a lot of mothering 663 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: and not a lot of compassions towards need people right 664 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: as um um was looking like, and if some of 665 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: the Democrats who are running for president have used it 666 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: as a platform, not not their platform, as a promise 667 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: to shut it down or to reverse some of it. 668 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: So it's still a big issue, but not big enough 669 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,879 Speaker 1: that they're talking about it on debates right now, which 670 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: is sad and obviously really really um. I don't know 671 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 1: what else other than yeah, it's just about right. It's 672 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: not as important to some people um as it should be, 673 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: as it should be about the lines that are affecting, 674 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: But it's absolutely something that's still having to be fought for. 675 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: And obviously we know, as you just said, she's been 676 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: fighting for um and Kindometre has continued to be a 677 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,799 Speaker 1: big voice and pushing that as a as a conversation 678 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: that we need to have more of. Yeah, and she 679 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,920 Speaker 1: has seen some real, real bloodshow. Part of my the 680 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: November project is talking about violent language that's still used 681 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:11,960 Speaker 1: in the media that inspires violence in real life, and 682 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: for her to see some of the most horrific moments 683 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: in American history or modern whatever this period of American 684 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 1: history is and still be fighting really is indicative of 685 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,760 Speaker 1: so much strength. I don't know. That's something really common 686 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: when you hear these stories, especially need of women. They 687 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 1: see these awful things, they see this genocide, and then 688 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 1: in the face of genocide, women are standing up and 689 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,399 Speaker 1: speaking out. And that's why it's so important to one 690 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,919 Speaker 1: read about your American history, take part in as much 691 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,799 Speaker 1: as you can, to talk as some of those things, 692 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,839 Speaker 1: and actually listen when Americans talk about issues they are 693 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:12,239 Speaker 1: facing ones. It's just a lot. Right. We do have 694 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more for you listeners, but first we 695 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: have one more quick break for word from our sponsor 696 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,280 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor. So you had mentioned 697 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,760 Speaker 1: earlier that there's obviously and we can all definitely research, 698 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 1: but what would you point out someone that wants to 699 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 1: learn more of the histories and the behind the scenes. 700 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: Where would you point them? Is there something like reference 701 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: books or that two old days reference books resources? Thank 702 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 1: you books. I'm not old. I'm not come out against books. 703 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 1: I used to Encyclopedia from most of middle school. Okay, 704 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: so I mean and I when not saying encyclopaedia, I 705 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:07,839 Speaker 1: mean hard bound Britannica, syclopaedias, serie decimals. So don't date me, 706 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: but resources that you would point them to. Oh so 707 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: I would recommend if you really want to know what 708 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,879 Speaker 1: Native history is like and why all of us are 709 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: so passionate about it, I think diving in head first 710 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,279 Speaker 1: is the best way to do it, because we are 711 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 1: living this reality and if it's shocking to you, imagine 712 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 1: what it's like for us to see all the your 713 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,360 Speaker 1: reature that are people have faced and see it continuing now. 714 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,160 Speaker 1: So a good place to start to really get a 715 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:58,799 Speaker 1: handle on how much effort has been put into eliminating 716 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 1: Native people bury in my heart it wounded me is 717 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,600 Speaker 1: the books that's probably the bless the best place to 718 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:11,360 Speaker 1: start there are there's a narrative that I've heard of 719 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,400 Speaker 1: Native American spot against each other. So it's not a 720 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: big deal that the United States also the colonial people 721 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: also bought them. But it is completely different. We're talking 722 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:32,680 Speaker 1: about the make genocide as opposed to what kind of 723 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 1: amounts to land scuffle. And I will warn you that 724 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 1: there are some things in the wounded they remember the 725 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:50,280 Speaker 1: Warndanda are graphics, but it's absolutely necessary to hear those things. 726 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 1: And usually again, history like this, atrocities like this, and again, 727 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,400 Speaker 1: as you said, genocide, it's going to be graphics. So 728 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,359 Speaker 1: to expect less would be you look at a really 729 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,360 Speaker 1: unrealistic version of history. Right. It would be like learning 730 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: about the Holocaust without learning about anything that has to 731 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: Dick concentration camp, right, which is absurd in itself. Well, 732 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Natalie. I'm so glad that we 733 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: got to connect and that you are able to speak 734 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,840 Speaker 1: with us. Is there anything else that you want to 735 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,440 Speaker 1: add or you want to voice about what we're talking about. 736 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:35,480 Speaker 1: I O say one thing. I I kind of challenge 737 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,320 Speaker 1: my listeners to do this. If you are not connected 738 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,640 Speaker 1: to a Native community or any funds who are needed, 739 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: I encourage you too. On Instagram, watch Twitter, follow five 740 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:54,280 Speaker 1: indigenous people and just as you're looking to your feet 741 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 1: and as you're learning and hearing from these people, I 742 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 1: guarantee you it won't take very long for you to 743 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 1: realize that there are some things going on you might 744 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,960 Speaker 1: not be aware of. And I think that's kind of 745 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 1: a ties to all ethnic groups it's a good idea 746 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 1: to know what's happening and be aware and get out 747 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,880 Speaker 1: of our little bubbles. But it's very important thing to 748 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: make sure you are paying attention to native voices, especially 749 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,000 Speaker 1: being on the land of people who are still here. Now, 750 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,799 Speaker 1: that's amazing. I love that. That's a great challenge and 751 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,279 Speaker 1: I think absolutely I would voice that and agree with 752 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:38,280 Speaker 1: you that is to start to start with and do that. Um, 753 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 1: And now where can we find you on the interwebs? 754 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,879 Speaker 1: You can find me on all social media platforms at 755 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,720 Speaker 1: some kind of Brown. My podcast Some kind of Brown 756 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 1: is on. Actually all of the podcasts are I have 757 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,120 Speaker 1: any teenager website for a teenager because it still has 758 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: a dot WordPress dot com some kind of Request that song, 759 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,239 Speaker 1: and it has all the episodes that I have I've 760 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: had so far, and you can find out more about 761 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,960 Speaker 1: mid November or any of the guests or episodes that 762 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:19,080 Speaker 1: I've had on there too. Amazing. Thank you again, UM, 763 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,120 Speaker 1: you are awesome and I'm sure we're going to keep 764 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 1: in connection. Yes, we wanted you to know we support 765 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 1: everything you're doing and we want to make sure that, UM, 766 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,919 Speaker 1: you know that we overhear at smenty love what you're 767 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,560 Speaker 1: doing and are great grateful that you're doing it. Yes, 768 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,560 Speaker 1: thank you so much. How do you want to say 769 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:47,520 Speaker 1: my girlfriend is a big fan of your podcast? Ye? Hello, hello, Yeah, 770 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: I see a chance to move on and something that 771 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,120 Speaker 1: I think I really appreciate. It's what your hid past. 772 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,760 Speaker 1: It's just about being a woman with our necessarily putting 773 00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: a limit on what that means. And I think that's 774 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: really company for people who are transender women to just 775 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: have this place where they can talk about femininity and 776 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,360 Speaker 1: being a woman in at the same time being included 777 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,440 Speaker 1: in the narrative. That brings us to the end of 778 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,800 Speaker 1: this another delightful interview with um all of your listeners. 779 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm always so impressed and inspired in awe the things 780 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 1: that you all are doing. So keep keep letting us 781 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,840 Speaker 1: know what you're up to. We love hearing about it. UM. 782 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,120 Speaker 1: And as Natalie said, probably everybody on this list we 783 00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,480 Speaker 1: could have talked about a whole episode, right. It's not, 784 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 1: as she had said before, even though I was like, oh, yeah, 785 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 1: it's a big list, it really isn't. And it's probably 786 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: an endless list of people that we could talk about 787 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 1: who identified as female or non binary that needs to 788 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,279 Speaker 1: be recognized that we need to be talking about and 789 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,759 Speaker 1: that their history does need to be preserved and the 790 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,399 Speaker 1: things that they have done for their community as well 791 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,040 Speaker 1: as for their culture. And I think I'm very sad 792 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 1: that we couldn't get we don't have all the information 793 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 1: that we absolutely should and uh that that this is 794 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,760 Speaker 1: the first time I've heard of probably about four of 795 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: those women, some I've ever talked about that and that 796 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:28,480 Speaker 1: makes me really sad. Yeah. Um, And Natalie's says she 797 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 1: had an entire spreadsheet of women and she had to choose. 798 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 1: Like I appreciate the difficulty of that, Natalie as you 799 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,400 Speaker 1: as you're if you're listening to this now, I've been 800 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,960 Speaker 1: in that situation. Not similar, but been like, pick of 801 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,800 Speaker 1: all of these amazing women, picked the three bests, and 802 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,600 Speaker 1: you're like, A, here's his movies and other things? Right now? 803 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,320 Speaker 1: Is all I can think of his movies because we've 804 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,240 Speaker 1: been talking about movies. Yes, yes, but I also have 805 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,840 Speaker 1: more important items in my brains. Um, but yeah, yeah, 806 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,840 Speaker 1: I would love to hear about every single woman on 807 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 1: that spreadsheet. See you, we should have just gotten that's all. 808 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,280 Speaker 1: We can publish it. Oh you can ask Satalie, maybe 809 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,760 Speaker 1: she doesn't want to share your secrets, I don't know. 810 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,919 Speaker 1: I'm putting that on my show. If not, you should 811 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 1: definitely go listen to her show. You should absolutely do 812 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: that because, um, as you said, we all need to 813 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,840 Speaker 1: know these stories and they're so valuable, um and inspiring 814 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:24,240 Speaker 1: they are. Yes, um So, if you would like to 815 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,760 Speaker 1: email us with whatever europe to or people we should 816 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,080 Speaker 1: be talking about, whatever is on your mind, you can 817 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,080 Speaker 1: do that. Our email is Stuff Media mom Stuff at 818 00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,120 Speaker 1: i heeart media dot com. 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