1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Fish Fits Podcast. We have a good one ahead today. 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm joined by Adam mcinturfty, assistant director of twenty eighty Baseball. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about a lot of Marlins prospects. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: We're going to start with the draft. Of course, you're 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: going to talk about all of those prospects that you 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: guys have been asking us about. Of course, Baby, Jose Devers, 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: Jorge Guzman, Mani Harrison, Trevor Rodgers. It goes on and on. 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: It's going to be a really fun one today. So Adam, 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks. 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: So let's start with the draft. For the most part, 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: the Marlins had a pretty interesting draft. No one really 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,639 Speaker 1: knew what direction they were going to go. There were 14 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: some rumblings of a high school bat being on the 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: Marlins radar as the draft approach, and they ended up 16 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: doing that in the first round in selecting Connor Scott 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: out of Plant High School in Tampa, Florida. The Marlin 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: selected three high school bats in their first three picks. 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about Connor Scott 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: first and what you like about him? 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think he is a guy that 22 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 2: started getting first round hype. As the spring went on, 23 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: that started to become more solidified, and people were kind 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: of not sure what direction in Miami was Gonner go 25 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: in. In the twenty four to forty eight hours leading up 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: to the draft, it became clear that they were centered 27 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: on Scott. He's a guy I really like. I think 28 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: there's a lot of upside with him. If you're looking 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: for a very loose comparison, albeit an easy one, I 30 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: think I would go with another kid that went to 31 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: Plant High School, Kyle Tucker, that went very early in 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: the draft in twenty fifteen. I believe I think Tucker, 33 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: you know, he's going on to be one of the 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: better offensive prospects in the game. I think he's already 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: in Double A. Yeah, he's already in Double A and 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: doing well. I don't know if Scott is as advanced. Again, 37 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: like Tucker had an older brother in the big leagues 38 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: in a pro ball might have a little bit more, 39 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: had a little bit more power. But from a frame actor, 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: Scott light Tucker is that lean six' four with a, 41 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: smooth loose left handed. Swing you can really see the physical, 42 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: projection you can see the power, projection something that's really. 43 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: Impressive About Connor scott is his. Speed you, know he's six,' 44 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: four he's a, tall kid but it's the type of 45 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: body that's gonna maintain speed even if he, fills out 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: and he's like a sixty five seventy runner. RIGHT now, 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: i mean he might slow a, little bit but this 48 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: is going to be a tall guy that can run 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: and almost, you know if You Imagine jake morisnik that's 50 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: like a six four s it's five outfielder, that's tall 51 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: but always maintained. His SPEED and i think for the left, 52 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: hand side and you consider the, plus arm there's a 53 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: lot of tools to work with and it's an exciting 54 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: player with high upside For. The marlins. 55 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: And with these high, school guys, you know it seems 56 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: to be like they have some of them have a. 57 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: Higher ceiling but do you think there's a little bit 58 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: more risk Assumed with connor a Guy Like, connor scott like, 59 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: you said they're expecting him to, Fill out you're expecting 60 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: him to do these sorts, of things but you know 61 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't. Always happen do you think there's a little 62 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: bit more risk assumed when you're taking a Guy Like? 63 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: Connor, SCOTT yeah i think the WAY that i look at, 64 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: that is especially with the new draft rules since to, 65 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: Twenty twelve i'm guessing that our listeners are relatively familiar 66 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: with those the bonus s hard bonus slots that. Were 67 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 2: IMPLEMENTED then i think you have to kind of look 68 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: at a team's draft through a commodity len so as 69 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: opposed to just saying like one player represents the entire. 70 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: TEAMS class i think you need to generally look at 71 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: the class. In totality but you're not wrong that when 72 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: you step back in with this class, In totality i'm 73 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: NOT saying i don't like it. At, all actually but 74 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: three high school guys In Scott osiris Johnson And, will 75 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: Banfield Plus, tristan pompeii who was actually a fairly like 76 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: risk reward more so than most college. Guys, himself yeah 77 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: there's definitely rest here with. This class they took upside guys, 78 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: With projection but you're absolutely right to mention that with 79 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: projectable guys comes, you know kind of an assumption that 80 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: they will continue, to project and sometimes that. Doesn't HAPPEN so, i, 81 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: think though with all, THAT said i DON'T think i 82 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: don't think Of the marlins amateur scouting group as a 83 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: group that shies away from. TAKING risk i don't think 84 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: they shy away from taking. YOUNG players i don't think 85 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: they mind to wait on guys. FOR instance i think 86 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: this is all the top of, my head like the 87 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: fourth or fifth straight year that the team has used 88 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: their first pick on a, high schooler and as recently as, 89 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen all of the three first three selections were 90 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: also from. High school so this is kind of a 91 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: draft playbook That the marlins have. Done before and, you, 92 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: know hopefully even though all of these guys might take 93 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: some time to Get, to miami they'll be ready to 94 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: go by the time that this intriguing team's ready to 95 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: compete down. 96 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: The road and there's so MANY questions i want to 97 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: go to, from There and i'll probably save. For after 98 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: but Historically the marlins haven't had a lot, of success 99 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: at least, historically maybe but in the last few years 100 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: they've struggled a little bit with those high. School Guys 101 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: tyler kollik of course a name that comes, to mind 102 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: But Even, braxton garrett even though it's too early, to 103 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: tell he had To Have tommy. John surgery and then 104 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: You Have, trevor rodgers who's just now pitching after taking 105 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of time off, And struggling and we'll 106 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: get into him a little, Bit later but kind of 107 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: the last thing we'll talk about with these high school 108 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: guys is do you think there's more of a risk 109 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: with arm health than since they don't have that structured 110 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: college throwing program and, weight program they're kind of being 111 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: thrown into Pro ball from what you're from, your experience 112 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: what do you think do you think that has any 113 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: effect on the ability for these guys to stay healthy 114 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: once they get to? 115 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: Pro ball so are you asking if they are riskier 116 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: than high school pitchers or less risky because they're position 117 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: for players are just simply by or is it the 118 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: nature of professional baseball when you're a teenager that makes it? 119 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: More difficult is a? 120 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: COLLEGE program i, would, SAY like I guess i'm more 121 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: focused on with. Arms specifically, you know when you're going 122 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: straight from, high school there's not as much structure to your. 123 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: Throwing program if you're, a pitcher you don't really have 124 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: that weight program that you have in college and you're 125 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: kind of thrown into. Pro ball do you think there's 126 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: more of a risk as we've seen With the Marlins 127 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: Having tyler kohleik and all these Guys Have tommy john surgery. Right, 128 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: AWAY oh. 129 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: I see i think. It's looked there's no doubt that 130 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: it doesn't, you know it doesn't read great that They 131 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: drafted colech he went DOWN, with dj and They Drafted 132 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: braxon jarrett he went DOWN with Dj And. JESEUS rogers 133 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: i was about a Fear From. New Mexico, but rogers he, 134 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: you know had to build up arm strength and he 135 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: wasn't really fully ready to go. After signing that doesn't. 136 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: Look GREAT but i think that there are two things in, 137 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: play here like maybe there's something about the, organization Maybe 138 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: but i'm not even really willing to. SAY that i 139 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: think there could kind of be some rotten luck there 140 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: and a quick. CAVEAT too i think that a lot, 141 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: of things as you well know And as i'm sure, 142 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: listeners know are changing with. This ORGANIZATION and i think 143 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: by bringing in some guys that had a lot of 144 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: Success In, new york Starting with gary denbo but clearly 145 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: there's been a really impressive roster of, front office scouting 146 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: and player development talent added to this organization over the, 147 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: Last YEAR so i think that and this is just 148 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: something Even that i've noticed from scouting some of. Their 149 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: affiliates the energy surrounding the player development department this year is, 150 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: really DIFFERENT and i think that it mimics a lot 151 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: more of what was going On In. New york and 152 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: there's a focus on TRAINING and i think kind of 153 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: a buy in from the PLAYERS that i hadn't seen 154 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: in years past on. The FARM so i think that's 155 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: one thing. That's GOOD and i think. NUMBER two I 156 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: mean i'm biased because as a, FORMER pitcher i. DON'T 157 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: know i, sometimes wonder and this is a different, TOPIC 158 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: altogether i sometimes wonder if going. To college, you know 159 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: you mentioned your absolut right that it's a transition moving 160 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: from being a high school pitcher to college or. Professional 161 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: baseball you have a lot of instruction and regimentation on, 162 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: either side be it AT the d one level. Or 163 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: professionally these kids are on PRETTY like, i said just 164 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: pretty PRESET programs a lot of. THE time i am a, 165 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: little BIASED and i lean towards going pro SOMETIMES because 166 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: i think that there are occasionally some incentives for making 167 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: guys being able to compete quickly at the college level 168 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: that might not ultimately lend themselves well to the pitcher's longest. 169 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: Term development but, in, GENERAL no i guess to answer, 170 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: YOUR question i think it's a. Good one sorry we 171 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: got a little, abstract HERE but i think it's a 172 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: good one. In, GENERAL no i personally don't believe there's 173 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: anything more dangerous about going professional out of high school 174 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: for a high school pitcher than going. TO college i think, 175 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 2: that actually sometimes if you go as a, young pitcher 176 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: if you are ready for professional baseball from a, maturity 177 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 2: standpoint which sometimes that's why kids should go, to college 178 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: but let's presume that an eighteen year old is ready 179 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: to be. A PROFESSIONAL sometimes i think that because the 180 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: emphasis in pro bawl is on being your best player in, 181 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: three years, four years, five years and that big picture 182 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: is kept, in mind THAT actually i think sometimes the 183 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: programs and the development that kids are on professionally might 184 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: be better in the. Long term so that's just my, 185 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 2: Opinion there. 186 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: And yeah that makes a lot. OF sense i kind 187 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: of warned you before you came ON that i wasn't 188 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: going to be able to help myself and kind of 189 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: stray from our prospect talk and ended up asking you 190 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: so crazy questions because it always really, fascinates me especially 191 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: with how much the moments have had a little bit 192 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: of bad luck, and struggled, you know in the last 193 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: five or, so years that there's always so. Many questions 194 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: and THAT'S why i love having somebody like you ON 195 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: and i know the fans are going to love it. 196 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: As well but we go off too long on a 197 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: TANGENT that i want to touch on to the last 198 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: two guys from this draft and then we'll get into. 199 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: The prospects, of course You Have cyrus Jackson And. Will 200 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: banfield banfield has been said to be arguably the best 201 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: defensive catcher in. The draft we saw him go three 202 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: for three throwing runners out in. His Debut and johnson is, 203 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: very raw. VERY young i don't even think he's eighteen years, 204 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: old yet, BUT yeah. 205 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: I know he's. Really young he was super young for. 206 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: The class but another guy with a. Huge ceiling, real 207 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: quick just give me a little bit of info on 208 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: those guys and what you like about them and what 209 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: you Think the marlins were looking at when they decided to. 210 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: Pick, THEM yeah i Think, with johnson you're looking at 211 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: a GUY that, i think, you know like, we mentioned 212 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: they're never afraid to go with the high. School athlete 213 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: they're not really concerned about who's going to go out 214 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: and be the most pro ready. Player Tomorrow the marlins 215 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: seem to show a propensity for just taking their risks on, 216 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: ceiling GUYS which. I understand i'm actually inclined to be 217 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: more ceiling oriented in the draft than floor oriented myself. 218 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 2: AS well I think johnson definitely fits, that. PROFILE though 219 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: i think this is a guy that's going to be 220 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: a few years away, for sure just as he probably 221 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: finds a full time defensive position at, the Programme because 222 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: i'm not really sure that it's a given that he 223 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: stays AT short i don't know what your opinion. IS 224 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: there i don't see him as a sure. FIRE shortstop 225 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: i think there's some areas in his approach and his 226 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: swing consistency that he's going to have to, shore up 227 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: and that can take some time as he makes that 228 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: adjustment with the coaches and player. Development staff but he's 229 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: got a lot to. Work with it's a, very, athletic physical, 230 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: right handed right handed profile with raw power and hand 231 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: speed that you really, can't teach and good tools, to 232 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: hit so there's something to. Work. With here it just 233 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: might be a process to kind of tone, it down 234 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: get him acclimated to, pro ball and have him start finding. 235 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: A position as Far as, BANFIELD goes i think. It's 236 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: interesting he's kind of a different Profile. IN johnson i 237 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: think that he's a little bit, more POLISHED and i 238 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: think that you know what, You're, getting like he has 239 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: a little bit, MORE floor, i guess because like, you 240 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: said he's such an advanced defender and that's at least 241 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: something you can bank on. With him like there is 242 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: a lot of offensive attrition, with catchers we, know that 243 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: but his love is the calling card is love isn't 244 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 2: something that's going to change or be. Taken away and 245 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: even if the bat goes backwards a, little bitter, YOU 246 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: know i think there were some questions about the bat 247 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: that might have knocked him out of the first forty or, 248 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: so picks which is where a lot of people thought 249 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: he was going to go going. Into spring but he's 250 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: still got a, carry tool he's got something to fall, 251 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: back ON and i think he's a good bet to stay. 252 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: At CATCHERS so i Think that banfield might move a 253 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: little bit. More quickly but, they're both, you know guys 254 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: that present upside in their, own Ways. 255 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: And i'm excited about the mains actually picking a short 256 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: stop because it's been, a while whether he stays there. 257 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: Or not but a, middle infielder it's been a while 258 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: since there's been someone In the marlin system that you 259 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: could be excited about up the middle and hopefully planned for, 260 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: the future because they haven't really seemed to have a 261 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: plan for that. Middle infield. AND hopefully i mean, he's young. 262 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: HE'S athletic i think he has a shot. To stay, 263 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: it's SHORT but i definitely could see him Moving to 264 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: i'm not sure how sure handed. He is but speaking, 265 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: of shortstops we're gonna move Over To, jose devers who you've, 266 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: seen play and, he's young, of course only eighteen. Years 267 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: old came over In that yankees Trade With John. CARLOS 268 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: stanton a lot was made that he, might not, you 269 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: know obviously not be as good as His, brother rafael 270 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: who plays For The, red sox and maybe he doesn't 271 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: have as. Much power he's only six foot one point 272 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: fifty five and that might, be generous but, then again 273 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: he's only eighteen. Years old he started off. Really hot 274 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: he's still hitting, all right but he really is more 275 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: of a singles guy only with an ops of only 276 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: about six. Eighty one what have you Seen from devers 277 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: and do you think he's a guy that can actually climb, 278 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: the ranks because there had been some rumblings about him 279 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: getting called up TO. 280 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: High, a, yeah no this is A good i think 281 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: just talking about the state Of the marlins farm of 282 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: the shortstop. Positions, good obviously we just Touched On osarrus. 283 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: Johnson Quickly, ON johnson I think i had good comparison. 284 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: FOR listeners a guy like him that's had some Success Is. 285 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: JAMES nelson i think that he's a. SIMILAR profile I 286 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: think nelson was similarly a toolsy shortstop that might have 287 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: lacked some offensive consistency and was looking for a position 288 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: in the. Pro game and we've seen him take some 289 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: steps in the last year, or TWO so i think 290 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: they'd be thrilled if he could follow that. Development path but, 291 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: moving forward moving On, to devers like, you, Said yeah 292 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: I've seen devers play. A lot i've seen him play 293 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: in two full series. THIS year i Saw The South 294 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: Atlanticaleatue all. Star game, YOU know i can see the 295 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: appeal and it's more than just. THE bloodlines, i mean like, 296 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: you said he is more of a really all a 297 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: contact in singles oriented hitter. Right now the love is 298 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: probably the calling card. For me, FOR him i think 299 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: he's got real nice actions. AT shortstop i think maybe 300 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: unlike a Guy like Johnson, or nelson who may have 301 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: a little bit, more bat a little bit more power in, 302 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: the bat but aren't as much, TRUE shortstops I think 303 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: devers does have the actions in the lateral range to. 304 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: Stay THERE and i think the difference for him whether 305 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: he's really like an average or solid defender at short 306 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: versus an overall above average defenders probably to come down 307 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: to his, arm strength which is probably like right on 308 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: the fringes of average. Right now but you said, he's 309 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: eighteen there's a lot of room and grown to, his 310 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: body he can, Get STRONGER so i expect him to 311 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: stay at short, YOU know i don't really know if 312 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: he's ready and if it's even necessary for him to 313 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: move Up to jupiter In The florida, state lead like, 314 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: you said just because he's. SO young i Think The 315 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: florida state leads a really tough lead for, hitters anyway 316 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: because the parks are huge and the air is, really 317 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: thick and it's usual the first time guys are facing, 318 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: older pitching and he's not really a power guy as, 319 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: IT is i can see him taking some lumps there 320 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: if he were to be moved up In The florida 321 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: stately at, AGE eighteen i think he'd probably be the 322 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: youngest player in the league if he were to. Move 323 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: up so he's a. Guy ultimately to wrap it Up, 324 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: ON devers i think the best case, scenario ceiling if 325 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: you squint, hard enough is kind of, you know bottom 326 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: third of the order hitting shortstop who plays every day 327 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: because of his defense and can get you on base, 328 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: with singles doubles and contribute. With speed, YOU know i 329 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: do think there's gonna need to be more strength in 330 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: the bat for him to reach that ceiling to be 331 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: an every dead guy as opposed to maybe more of a. 332 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: Utility infielder but, you know, good athlete, good speed can 333 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: stick it short and he puts the bat on, the 334 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: BALL so i see the. Appeal. 335 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: There well my one Thing with DEVERS is i feel 336 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: like the future of the shortstop position generally is some 337 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: guys with a little bit more pop and their bad 338 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: as You See, corey seeger You Got, carlos carrea You Got, 339 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: francisco lindoor this kind of new wave of, middle infielders 340 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: but specifically shortstops that are going to hit you twenty 341 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: plus home runs a year. As WELL and i Feel 342 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: like devers fits more of that older, shortstop MOLD and 343 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: i think that's What the marlins are kind of going 344 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: with a little more With With, osiris johnson hoping maybe 345 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 1: if you can stick, at shortstop he will be that 346 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty home run guy if he really fills 347 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: out and figures. It, out obviously that's, you know a 348 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: lot of a long ways down. The Road but i'm 349 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: not a huge fan of that defensive only a dany 350 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: etche of area type of shortstop profile because in the 351 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: passages doesn't seem to. 352 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: Really, work, YEAH no i mean you you want guys 353 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: to hit. FOR power i think the way the game, 354 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: is going, you know we're moving towards an era where 355 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: on base percentage and power is, LOOKED at i think 356 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: a little bit more importantly than the frequency with which players, 357 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: get hits regardless of how many bases they get when 358 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 2: they do, get hits which is essentially what, batting averages. 359 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: But by the. 360 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: SAME token i think that you look at the teams 361 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: across the league that are entirely three true outcomes, type 362 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: teams and those teams have, a tendency in, my opinion 363 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: to have a difficult time scoring runs when, it counts 364 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: or scoring runs either down the stretcher in, the postseason 365 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: because situational hitting and putting the ball in play becomes. 366 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: So IMPORTANT and i think there are people that feel 367 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: as though that we're moving a little bit back actually 368 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: to that throwback era where guys who put the bat 369 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 2: on the ball are going to be prioritized more, moving 370 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 2: forward simply because they're starting to be the, rare ones 371 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: not the other, way around not the, high strikeout high walk. 372 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: Type guys so that's probably what you're hoping For. With 373 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: DEVERS but, I agree i think we're looking at a, 374 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 2: guy who if he's an, everyday player he's there because 375 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 2: of his love and he's gonna probably be a table 376 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: setter more than he's ever going to be a. Big. 377 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: Bobber absolutely and we go into the other guy who 378 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: came over From the yankees In that, stanton trade And That's, 379 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: jorge guzman the. Flame thrower he can sit high nineties 380 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: even at, one hundred and he's looked pretty good so 381 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: far IN high a ball two seven TO, seven era 382 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: fifty three strikeouts and fifty five minute. Third innings the 383 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: thirty two walks are a little, bit worrisome but he 384 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: is young. As well what have you Seen from guzman 385 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: and what do you? Like about there's. 386 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: There's a lot to. LIKE here, i mean he's probably 387 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: the hardest throwing starting pitcher in. The miners if he's 388 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: not the hardest, throwing starter he's one. Of them he'll 389 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: hold ninety six and above for like eight innings and 390 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: he won't dip below. Ninety six he's just got really 391 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: unique velocity and. Arm strength but more, THAN that i 392 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: mean he's a. PHYSICAL guy i don't think their ability 393 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: is much of. An issue even though there's moderate effort in. 394 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: HIS delivery i think he can hold up with the 395 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 2: way that he throws and how he. Does it it's 396 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: two pitches that in a vacuum are definite outpitch is definite. 397 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 2: SWING mispitches i think that's why you hear this guy 398 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: talked about as a, you know a fallback option for 399 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: him is high, leverage situations because if you were to 400 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 2: air it out in. The boltmen you'd be looking at 401 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 2: one hundred mile an hour fastball with a hammer, curve 402 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: ball and, YOU know i think that's. THE appeal i 403 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: think some of the negatives with him are like a 404 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 2: lot of younger hard, THROW well i guess. He's not 405 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: that he's, TWENTY two, i think but like a lot 406 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: of younger power, arm guys the control can come. AND 407 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: go i don't really know if within the zone with, 408 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 2: his fastball if there's that much true fastball command at, 409 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: this point if that. Makes SENSE but i don't know 410 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: either if he's ever going to need to be the 411 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: most pinpoint guy within the zone because of the velocity 412 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: that he has on. HIS fastball i think if he 413 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 2: wants to remain, a, starter though there's just some small 414 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: things like learning a little bit more maybe to pitch 415 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: to contact when he needs to to keep his pitch 416 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: count down to work. Later games maybe developing a little 417 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: bit more separation velocity wise from his fastball for his. 418 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 2: Change up and the change is a good pitch, for 419 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 2: him but he overthrows it a little bit in the. 420 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: Upper eighties it can almost be like a two. Seam 421 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 2: fastball probably will be better if he can get a 422 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 2: little bit more velocity off of that for. More split so, 423 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: YOU know i think you kind of look at the 424 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: sum of the parts and it's a guy that has. 425 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: Unique stuff he has two pitches and maybe a third 426 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: if he can really develop the changeup that could be swing. 427 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: Miss pitches the FASTBALL velocity i think gives him some 428 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: margin for air in terms of his pitchability, and control 429 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: but those are still areas where he needs to sharpen 430 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 2: ough to be in. THE rotation, I mean i think 431 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: if it all clicks and if you squint, hard, enough 432 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: yeah the best case scenario is a guy that can pitch, 433 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 2: number two number three in your rotation because he just 434 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: has that. GOOD stuff, i mean even if you walk, 435 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: SOME guys i think he'll always strike out enough to compensate. 436 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 2: For it but if the controller pitchy, isn't ENOUGH like, 437 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: i said you can pretty easily see the fallback in 438 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 2: a late ende guy. Right now so it's an exciting 439 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: arm with. Power stuff and if he, does start that 440 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: means his control and pitchability is good enough to remain in. 441 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: The rotation and if that's, the taste this stuff is 442 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: really going. To play so he's a Guy that marlins 443 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: fan should be excited. About you and if he is 444 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: a full, year off not a little. Bit, more. 445 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: Well that's the one thing that's Great about guzman is 446 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: even if it doesn't work out as, a starter which 447 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: of Course the marlins are really hoping he works out as, 448 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: a starter there's still that chance that he can be 449 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: a lights out arm in. The pen so it almost 450 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: raises his floor to at least being a major league 451 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: garment at some point in. His career and that kind 452 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: of takes a little bit of pressure off Of the 453 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: marlins with potentially moving some of those, bullpen arms knowing 454 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: that there's kind of a contingency planneror two in the. 455 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: Minor leagues and it's interesting you brought up that change 456 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: up point because you look at a Guy Like, jose 457 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: urania who you see him sit in the, upper nineties and, 458 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 1: you're like why is he not striking out? More BATTERS 459 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: and i think the real issue is you can throw 460 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour in the major leagues and 461 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: not strike very many guys out because they can catch up. 462 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: To that it's all about changing the Speeds and urania 463 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: hasn't done a good job, of that and Exactly in alcantara, 464 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: So Far. SANDY alcntara i mean he's still adjusting, as 465 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: well but he hasn't struck out as many guys as 466 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: you think. He should and it's kind of the same 467 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: thing as well as you don't have that change. Of 468 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: SPEEDS and i was kind of curious what your opinion was, 469 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: on that because that seems To be my takeaway is 470 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: that you can sit in the, triple digits but if 471 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: you're not mixing it up, these guys that's. 472 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 2: He. OFF no i, totally AGREE and i think that 473 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: you were talking About the marlins have a similar type 474 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: of pitching prospect here With A Urania forge guzman or 475 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 2: In A. Sandy alcintara all three of these guys are, 476 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: you know top of, the scale velocity guys with big 477 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: stuff and it's swing. Miss stuff and. You're right you 478 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 2: look at the stats and, you're, wondering like why aren't 479 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: these guys striking out a batter and inning? Or MORE 480 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: and i think two things. Are true, for one if 481 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: you look at their, game logs there are instances where 482 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: we've seen the, strikeout capacity like you see the ability to. 483 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: Miss pats, BUT yeah i think over the course of, 484 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 2: a season you really hit the nail on, the head 485 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 2: especially against a major, league competition but even high miners 486 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 2: competition Like What sandiel cantara faced most of this year 487 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,239 Speaker 2: before his call up. Last week, you know especially if 488 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: you're a starter and the lineup turns over and it's, 489 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: you know the second or third time you face, the 490 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 2: opposition if you're really coming at guys just, one way 491 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: they're going to be able to figure. It out and 492 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: even if you are having success throwing a high v, 493 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 2: low fastball even if you're not, missing bats like if 494 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: guys just hit the ball on the ground, a lot, 495 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: you know it's really tough to induce strikeouts and swings 496 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: and misses pitching at. One SPEED so i don't really 497 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 2: have much. To ADD so i think you said it. 498 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: PRETTY well i think in the Case, Of guzman Alcintara, 499 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 2: and urania all of, these guys they all have the 500 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: fallback of being Potentially impactful laden's arms just they all 501 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 2: have that type, of stuff and that makes their ceiling 502 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: really high in the, rotation too because if you can 503 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 2: be a starting pitcher that has two pitches that are like, 504 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 2: legitimate sevens like if you can actually start and have 505 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: pitchability with two pitches that are. That good we're, talking about, 506 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 2: you know one of the better starting pitchers in baseball right. 507 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: There alone but if these guys don't learn to change 508 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: speeds a little bit more, and learn, you know if 509 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: they don't learn how to throttle it back a, Little, 510 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 2: BIT yeah i think that these are guys whose stuff 511 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: might always be a little bit better than the stat 512 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 2: line and. THE rotation i don't want to say that's 513 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 2: going to be where they're, going though but, it's just, 514 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: YOU know i think they're all similar and that they 515 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 2: all kind of need to make that adjustment and add 516 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: a little bit. More PITCHABILITY. 517 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: And i think that was part of the reason why 518 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: you saw a little bit of a Delay With. Sandy 519 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: Alcintara mike hill kept saying he wanted to see him 520 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: develop a. Few Things derek jeter also said it. As 521 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: well they wanted to see him work on a, couple 522 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: Things and i'm guessing that was probably the off. Speed 523 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: pitch and now that we're talking, about strikeouts we'll do 524 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: it on the flip side. With Hitters manti harrison Is 525 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: the marlins, top prospect and, you know he's flashed a 526 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: lot of why you see he's, you know he's kind 527 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: of showed why he is the. Top prospect he splashed 528 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: it here, and yeah but then you look at. The 529 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: strikeouts one hundred and twenty six strikeouts and two hundred 530 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: and ninety two. AT bats i don't have the percentage the. 531 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: CAVE percent i know that's pretty close to half of 532 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: the time that he's. Striking. Out yeah is that alarming? To? 533 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: You, oh yeah It's UH and i have the stats 534 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: up in front, of me so off the top of, 535 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: MY head i can't take credit totally, for that but 536 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 2: thirty eight percent stright, out right, you know Going. Into, 537 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: july yeah and, you, know yes is? That? Alarming yeah absolutely. 538 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: It is does that mean that with a Guy, like 539 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: monty with as toolsy as, he is and actually with 540 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: some of the makeup that he's shown an ability to 541 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: make some adjustments that, he's shown does that mean that 542 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: it's time to throw in? 543 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: The? 544 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: Towel like. Absolutely not, you, know you as, you said 545 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: he's the team's. Best prospect i'm inclined to agree with 546 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 2: you that he's still the team's best PROSPECTS because i 547 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 2: think that he's probably the best blend of proximity because 548 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: he's Already IN double a but. Also ceiling I've seen 549 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: monti play plenty In the. Brewers, SYSTEM actually i haven't 550 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: seen him this season In The, southern lead but we 551 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: have someone down there, right now. YOU know i think 552 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 2: everyone's familiar with him that's listening to. This PODCAST so 553 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: i won't go into the detail of the tools, too 554 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: MUCH but i mean it's about as tools the profiles 555 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: you're going. To Get, he's frankly there's no other way to. 556 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: Say it he's just. A freak like people really aren't 557 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: this big and fast. And strong. YOU know i think 558 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: we know is three. Sport history, you know he's, football recruit, 559 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 2: basketball player and he brings those tools to the. BASEBALL 560 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 2: field i think one thing that's important to note, ABOUT him. 561 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: I just. 562 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: Two, things one this is his first Dose OF, double 563 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: a and he wouldn't be the first guy to struggle 564 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 2: against older pitching and have some parts of his approach 565 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 2: exposed pretty badly in his first half Season OF. DOUBLE 566 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: a i think it's important to look at the second 567 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: half numbers. With Him, AND two, i mean this is 568 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: a guy that's shown that he can adjust to a 569 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 2: level before now it was In the, brewer system but 570 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: he really struggled at the plate with when he went 571 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: his first full pro season in, twenty fifteen when he 572 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: went To The, midwest league he really. Really struggled and 573 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: he came back and he adjusted to that level and 574 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: he Was An all star in the same lead the 575 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 2: very next year before. The trade so he's a guy 576 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: that's adjusted the. Levels before and this type of athlete 577 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: can make adjustments more quickly and later into their twenties 578 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 2: than many types. OF players i think that's important. Remember too, 579 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: but yeah the, reality is if this is a guy 580 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: that winds up being a fourth outfielder at the end of, 581 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,239 Speaker 2: the day it would only be because he doesn't make 582 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: enough contact and he wound up kind of going that 583 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: direction where despite all, the tools he just didn't get on. Base, 584 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: ENOUGH now i think he can be a lot more. 585 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: Than THAT but i also Think, that harrison he's, YOU know, 586 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: i mean he has a chance to Be An. All 587 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: star these types of tools are all, star tools but 588 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: there's no doubt that he's going to have to refine. 589 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: AS approach i think we're always going to be looking 590 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: at a lower. Average hitter ISH like i think it's 591 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: the highest you could maybe go on his hit tool 592 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: and on base ability as a forty five. Or fifty 593 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: but he's going to bring plus power for, the position 594 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: stay in, center field and be very impactful, Defense defensively 595 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: so there's high. Upside there even if we're looking at 596 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: the guy that always swings and misses a, little bit 597 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: he'll just need to cut down on it moving forward and. 598 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: Without going too far. Into approach the One thing i've 599 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: kind of Seen With monti harrison is Something similar i've 600 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: Seen With lewis BRINSON is i think their swings are 601 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: just a little bit long and they get caught cheating a, 602 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: little bit and then once that off speed comes they 603 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: kind of look a, little FOOLISH because I mean mlb are. 604 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: PROFESSIONAL pitchers, I Mean manti harrison's only faced THE, double 605 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: A But lewis brinson, especially too has just been really 606 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,239 Speaker 1: exposed by trying to catch up to. That fastball and 607 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: do you think that it's just their approach and the 608 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: swing's getting a little too long or is it just 609 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: adjusting to the higher velocity and more pitchability from these 610 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: guys that. 611 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 2: They're, Facing yeah i'd Say that i'm being a little, 612 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: nitpicky HERE but i don't think That with monty Or With. 613 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: Lewis brinton i'm glad You mentioned brinson because they're. PRETTY similar, 614 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: I mean I think. Monty's built he's a little, more 615 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 2: muscular but, you know it's the, same, power speed center 616 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: field profile that comes with hit tool questions. And STRIKEOUTS 617 00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: so i don't think it's fastballs that you. STRUGGLE with i, think, 618 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: that frankly bat speed and ability to impact the baseball 619 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: is never going to be the Issue with harrison Or. 620 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: With brinton these guys can catch up to. Any fastball 621 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: the problem is taking movement out of their swings and 622 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: keeping their heads quiet and still and probably just learning 623 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: how they're going to get. Pitched to it's not that 624 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: they're laid, on fastballs IT'S that i don't think that 625 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 2: they really recognize off speed stuff as well, right now 626 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: Certainly in. HARRISON'S case i Haven't seen brinson play much 627 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 2: since he was in the, big LEAGUES but I remember 628 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: brinson dean like THIS when i saw him for years 629 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: In the. RANGERS system i think more it's the. Pitch 630 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: ability like you said that the more advanced Pitchers IN. 631 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 2: DOUBLE a i think when you make that jump from 632 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: a ball to double a the first thing. That's, different 633 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: yeah it's, velocity ish but really it's like guys throw 634 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: off speed pitches. For strikes that is the, biggest difference 635 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: and it immediately. Sticks out guys can throw off speed pitches. 636 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: For strikes guys can be twey five or twenty six, 637 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: years old some of them played in the big, leagues 638 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: before and they don't have to throw you a fastball for. 639 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 2: Strike ONE and, i think, you know there's been plenty 640 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: of hitters that have been all over top prospect lists 641 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: and when they face guys that started being able to 642 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: slow it down and pitch backwards and hit different spots 643 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: of the zone of, different speeds they never figured. 644 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: It out. 645 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: You know you hope that a Guy Like, manty HARRISON 646 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: who i think is a, high makeup, you know high, 647 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 2: athleticism individual he can make. That ADJUSTMENT but i think 648 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: in both cases Him, and brinson it's more a matter 649 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: of adjusting to the change of speeds and recognizing when 650 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: when you're going to see non fastballs and what that 651 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: looks like coming out of a. Pitcher's Hands so i'm 652 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 2: sure that these guys have had a hitting coach in 653 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: their ear, Saying that and they're putting a lot of 654 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 2: time in the video room trying to, get better and hopefully. 655 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: They can't. 656 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: And both of them, are young and they have a 657 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: lot of time to figure. It Out lewis princeton seems 658 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: Like the marlins are just going to stick with him 659 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: no matter how much he struggles and let him, get 660 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: HISS which i think. 661 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: Is a, good thing especially when you aren't really, planning. 662 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely because you aren't really playing, for anything as unfortunate 663 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: as that is, to say other than the development of. 664 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: Your players so why not let him stick out there 665 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: and figure. It out but another guy that's finally pitching 666 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: who we waited for for, A While trevor Rodgers and 667 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: marwin's first round pick, last year another top prospect. THAT'S 668 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: struggling o win three with an eight point four TO 669 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: two era and. Seven starts he has twenty eight k's 670 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: in twenty five and two, thirds dings, which is, you 671 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: know pretty solid from a left, Handed pitcher but the 672 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: three fifty one opponent average and thirty nine hits and 673 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: twenty five innings is a. LITTLE scary, i know he's, 674 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: just starting it's his first little taste of, you know, 675 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: Professional baseball but what have you Seen from rogers and 676 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: what's the reason why. He's struggling is it just getting 677 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: exposed to professional hitting or is he is he not 678 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: really finding that off speed? 679 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 2: So? Far uh, YOU KNOW i i think it's. A 680 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: cup he's had. A, COUPLE again i think when a guy, 681 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 2: this young he has only made a handful, of starts 682 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 2: it's important to look at the game log and each 683 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: individual start because there really Hasn't been he's only pitched twenty. 684 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 2: Five innings there is not enough innings to let like 685 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: one or two really bad outings, Affect you like if 686 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 2: you were to take out he got hit around pretty 687 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 2: bad his last Start, at june and he had another 688 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 2: one where he got knocked around pretty Badly against Haterstown. 689 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: In may if you take, those out he's actually had 690 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 2: some pretty, good starts. You know, BUT yeah i think, 691 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: with him this was a, kid that for, various reasons 692 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: like you touched, on earlier despite being a little bit 693 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 2: older for his high, school class he was not really 694 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 2: ready to hit the ground running once. He signed and 695 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: HE wasn't i guess. Ready to they, didn't feel for 696 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: one reason, or another they he'd sent him to a 697 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 2: full season affiliate to break camp, This year so In 698 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 2: late may he he was Sent TO Low a greensboro 699 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 2: to just. Get started, For me i've seen. HIM twice 700 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 2: i see what the. APPEAL is, I mean i think 701 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 2: my report came out on him a couple of. DAYS 702 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 2: ago i think it's on our website at. Twenty eighty, 703 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 2: you know it's, a, big lean very loose athletic kid with. 704 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 2: Effortless velocity, you know he's six, foot five six foot 705 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: six on the left, hand side touching. Ninety five i've 706 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 2: actually was kind of impressed with the development of. His 707 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: changeup he's been using that like a more. Mature pitcher 708 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 2: i've seen him use it pretty well across two starts 709 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 2: to righty's and get some action and separation. On it, 710 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: the slider it's like Kind of i've seen kind of 711 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 2: like a flat low eighties kind of one. Thing slider, 712 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,720 Speaker 2: right now he's throwing it more to lefties. THAN righties 713 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 2: i think that'll be something that he'll need to both 714 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: develop and probably get a little bit more comfortable throwing 715 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: to hit his from both sides of, the plate even 716 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: if he always uses it the lefties a little bit 717 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 2: more but ultimately, with Him and i'm sorry to go on, 718 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: AND on i think it's just a matter of. Pro 719 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: readiness like there are INSTANCES where i think his Tempo 720 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: with runners, on bass, for instance he can work. Really 721 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 2: Slow or i've noticed that with runners, on base when a, 722 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 2: guy is, you know dancing over there at first base a, 723 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 2: Little bit i've seen him really have a difficult time 724 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 2: bearing down and making the. NETT pitch, I mean i've 725 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 2: seen good ingredients with him SUCH that i would encourage 726 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 2: people to overlook the stat line right now because this 727 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: is a kid that is actually making his first handful of, 728 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 2: professional appearances because he didn't appear In A Gulf coast 729 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 2: league game and didn't play anywhere before coming Up from extented. 730 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 2: This year so there's stuff to, work with. YOU know 731 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 2: i think, if again if you swint, hard enough it's. 732 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 2: Extreme risk but you can see that, you know number 733 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 2: three or four left, handed starter but a lot of 734 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 2: things will need to continue. To develop it's kind of 735 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 2: all Projection with rogers, right now but at the very 736 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: least he's got, the body athleticism and flashes of stuff 737 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 2: that maybe he is that guy, that projects but HE'S 738 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 2: still i, would say three or four years, out HIMSELF 739 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 2: and i think there's a lot of outcomes that could 740 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 2: happen with. 741 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: This one and that's another one, of those going back 742 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: to our early conversation about volatile high, school picks that's 743 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: probably one that They, the marlins knew what they were, 744 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: getting into but they have faith in their. Scouting department 745 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: and even though that Was Pre, Gary Denbo so i'm 746 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: not sure how they Feel about, rogers now but he 747 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: definitely is a. 748 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 2: High ceiling it Was, pre dembo but it Wasn't Pre. 749 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 2: STAN meek, I Mean, stan is as FAR as, i 750 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 2: know presided over that draft room for a good amount. 751 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: Of time and like we were, talking about there's never 752 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 2: never a shyness about going for the upside and going 753 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 2: for the high. School guy and, you know the times, 754 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 2: that works you. Look great and with. That Strategy sometimes 755 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: i'm not Saying that rogers is going to be, a 756 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: miss but you got. Don't know sometimes you're going. To 757 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 2: miss that's just the nature. OF it I, watched rogers 758 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: and ALL that i SAY is i, SEE why i. 759 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 2: SEE it i see, THE tools i see what. They 760 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 2: like we'll see how much this kid puts. IT together 761 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 2: i think repeating his delivery and, same thing just repeating 762 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 2: his delivery and getting ahead. Of hitters it, sounds simple 763 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 2: but that's such a huge part of being a starting 764 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 2: pitcher at the, professional level. YOU know i think just 765 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 2: getting acclimated to a pro schedule and some. SMALL things 766 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 2: i think we Can see rogers turn it on once 767 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 2: he starts hitting the mark in. Those regards and one of. 768 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: The LAST guys i wanted to, talk about probably should 769 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: have brought him up when we were talking about Shortstops Is. 770 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: Joe dunnan he's PLAYED At, nc state so he's a 771 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: little more developed twenty two. Years Old He's, alex chrodriguez, 772 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: his nephew, of course and shows a lot, of power 773 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: kind of that profile of that, power shortstop but. He's 774 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: big i'm not sure how shorthanded. HE is i don't 775 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: know if he could stay. At shortstop that was kind 776 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: of A question i was gonna, ask you is do 777 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: you think he has the actions to stay at shortstop 778 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: and do you think that he can continue to make 779 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 1: consistent contact because he struggled a little bit so far 780 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: getting caught up TO. Double a but as we've, talked 781 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: about it's kind of an adjustment as, it is but 782 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a swing and miss guy. 783 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: As well do you think he has that ability? To hit, 784 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: you know advanced pitching and can you stay at? Short 785 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: stop kind of a two part. 786 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 2: Question, There yeah I'LL say i think this is a 787 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 2: good segue, because again he's an example of a guy 788 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 2: that was having a lot of success in able made 789 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 2: that jump TO. Double a and even as like, you said, 790 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 2: an older maybe a little bit more, polished guy given the, 791 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 2: family history bloodlines and he came out, of college even 792 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 2: those types of guys, will struggle, you know same as 793 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 2: a high ceiling athlete that came out of high School Like. 794 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 2: Monty harrison pitchers are just a. Lot better but, you know, to, 795 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 2: me no this is a knock. On him i've never 796 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 2: really seen him as. A shortstop I mean i saw 797 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 2: him in high SCHOOL and i thought he would outgrow 798 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 2: the position by the time he got drafted at. A college 799 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 2: i saw him his draft year, in COLLEGE and i 800 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 2: thought he would move to third upon. BEING drafted i 801 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 2: saw him in, pro BALL and i thought he would 802 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 2: move to third upon giving A. DOUBLE a i guess 803 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 2: he hasn't moved, a third so, you know you hope 804 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 2: he CAN stay, i don't, you know not, Knocking, HIM 805 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 2: no i don't really see though that body type and 806 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 2: the first step quickness and range staying at short that 807 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 2: doesn't mean he's a. Bad defender it's just that the 808 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 2: guys that play a good shortstop every night in the 809 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 2: big leagues are really uniquely. Good defenders like even a 810 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 2: average defensive gride at shortstop is a very very, good 811 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 2: defender because the average defender at that position at the 812 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 2: highest level basically makes all the plays and makes it. 813 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 2: LOOK easy i do, think though like, you said, you 814 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 2: know he's a little, bit bigger a little bit, more 815 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 2: muscular and has some. Raw power so those are some 816 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 2: of the ingredients you're looking for in a. THIRD baseman 817 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 2: i think he can stay on the left side of. 818 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 2: The infield is not a shortstop for me and for The, 819 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 2: BAT yeah, i, MEAN look i think he's gonna be 820 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 2: able to turn it around more than he has AT 821 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 2: double a. FOR sure i think that you're looking at 822 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 2: a guy that has a track record of struggling a 823 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 2: little bit at a level than acclimating to it and 824 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 2: then performing. WELL there i do think we're looking at 825 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 2: a big league guy whether he is an everyday player 826 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 2: or not probably depends on where he ends up, playing 827 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 2: defensively and if it is at, third base how much 828 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 2: of that power is able to. Tap, Into. 829 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah and that's. The thing it's sometimes that power doesn't 830 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: seem to translate. Into games and that's kind of something 831 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: that gets a little CONCERNING as i. SEE something i 832 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: saw you answer someone's tweet Asking About, lazarel alonzo and 833 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that your answer kind, of 834 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,919 Speaker 1: was you might not think that power will translate into 835 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: games at a, higher level even though he has that 836 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: raw batting. Practice power another guy that kind of reminds 837 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: me of is the Last guy i'm going to ask 838 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: you about his Eyes. On diaz he's got a lot 839 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: of power or came over In that, brewer's trade strikes 840 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: out a lot. As well it seems to be the 841 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: trend of these guys That the marlins got From. The 842 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: brewers but he's also only twenty one, years old fringe 843 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: top one hundred prospects and shows a lot. Of tools 844 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: what do you think about his ability to hit higher 845 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 1: level pitching even though he hasn't really gone above high a. 846 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 1: Ball yet and is he a guy that could Be 847 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: the marlins future at. 848 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 2: Second, BASE yeah I think i'm glad we're Touching. On, 849 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 2: DIEZ yes i do think he could Be the marlins future. 850 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 2: Second base this is going to get pretty like nitty, 851 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 2: gritty SCOUTY but i think that a lot. Of times, 852 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 2: you know there are a fair amount of players that 853 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,280 Speaker 2: have swing and miss issues at, this age and especially 854 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 2: when you consider unlike college baseball and everyone's around the. 855 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 2: SAME age, i mean you can have nineteen and twenty 856 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 2: year olds At THE double a level playing against twenty seven. 857 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 2: Year olds that's. Not uncommon and so there are a 858 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 2: lot of young kids that show tools and, have upside 859 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 2: and the question is is it going to be able 860 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 2: to bring the power. Into games it's a hit. Tool 861 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 2: thing there's a lot of guys, like THIS and i 862 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 2: think really a million dollar question in scouting, Is, understanding 863 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 2: okay so which ones are going to get better and 864 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 2: which one's never going to? Hit enough despite the tantalized, 865 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 2: TOOL set i Think, with diaz something that you're really 866 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 2: looking for to answer the question that this guy can 867 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 2: this guy can, make adjustments or at least, For me 868 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,720 Speaker 2: i'll speak, For myself i'm looking at, hand speed, hand 869 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 2: looseness and almost like barrel flexibility if that, made sense 870 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 2: like the ability to adjust the barrel to different parts of. 871 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 2: The ZONE if i see guys that can do, those 872 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 2: things even if they're swinging, and missing or even if 873 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 2: there's something about, their approach like they're not really that 874 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 2: polished and realizing that they're going to see soft stuff with, 875 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 2: two strikes or they're not really used to being pitched 876 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 2: too backwards where they see an off speed pitch for. 877 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,840 Speaker 2: Strike one if there's other reasons they're swinging and missing 878 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 2: that don't have to do with their ability to get 879 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 2: the bat to the ball and how their, HANDS work 880 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 2: i think those are the types of guys that generally 881 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 2: you can project to make. More contact diaz is one 882 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 2: of those guys. FOR me I mean i haven't seen him, 883 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 2: this YEAR so i haven't seen him since, the TRADE 884 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,839 Speaker 2: but i saw him plenty In The carolina league last 885 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 2: season when he was With, the brewers and there's some aggression, 886 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 2: with HIM and i think that's why he is, striking 887 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 2: OUT because i think his overall, you know he kind 888 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 2: of plays with his hair, on fire and you can 889 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 2: see that he wants to go up there hunting, the 890 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 2: fastball but because of some aspects of his mechanics and, 891 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 2: HIS swing i think that if you simplify him at 892 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 2: the play a little bit and get him willing maybe 893 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 2: to go deeper, Into, COUNTS yeah i think there are 894 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 2: tools there to make, more CONTACT and i think this 895 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 2: is a guy that you're going to see a little 896 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 2: bit more, offense from even in the second half of. 897 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 2: The season but even just as he catches up in 898 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 2: age to the guys he's playing Against IN double A, 899 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 2: AND tria i think this a guy that has a 900 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 2: chance to be in, every day every, day infield even 901 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 2: that is in, second base. 902 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: And another guy that kind of fits that middle and 903 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: field power profile that That the marlins have liked in 904 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: the Past With dan Augla And, hanley ramirez even though 905 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: they left a little to be, desired defensively that was 906 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: one of The better marlins teams in the last decade. 907 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,919 Speaker 1: Or so so it would be cool to see them 908 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: maybe go in that direction again with a power a, 909 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: powerful infield Especially Because brian anderson at third isn't going 910 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: to hit you twenty five home runs, every year or 911 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: at least, just yet so you got to make up 912 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 1: for that power in some. Other spots but of course 913 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be figured out in terms Of 914 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,359 Speaker 1: the marlins starting lineup in. The future and the Last 915 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: question i'm going to ask you here because we got 916 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: a few tweets about this and they wanted To know 917 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: marlins fans wanted to know what your top three prospects 918 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,359 Speaker 1: would be For the marlins at, This moment. 919 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,439 Speaker 2: At this, VERY moment i guess You take brinson off 920 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 2: this list because he's burned Through his. RICKY eligibility i 921 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 2: would probably go. Right now number one for Me Is. 922 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 2: Monty harrison number Two Is. Sandy alcintara number Three Is. 923 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 2: FORGET guzman i think it would be more of a 924 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,319 Speaker 2: toss up between Al can Tara and guzman if they 925 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 2: were at the same level Of. The miners But because 926 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 2: alcintara is a guy that's able to contribute in the 927 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 2: big league right now and there's a little bit more 928 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 2: a little bit, more polish even though there's still things 929 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 2: for him to, Work on i'll Go al Caintara over 930 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 2: guzeman is because of safety. And proximity but some other 931 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 2: GUYS that i wouldn't sleep. ON either i would put 932 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 2: Ice on diez right, Up there like we were, Talking 933 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,760 Speaker 2: about i'm very intrigued To See braxton garrett come back 934 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 2: from surgery because he is a very intriguing prospect who 935 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,359 Speaker 2: actually those from the high. 936 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 3: School ranks he had a lot more polished than a 937 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 3: lot of other high school pictures that, They've, taken like 938 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 3: he's a very different Profile Than, trevor Rodgers and I'd 939 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,360 Speaker 3: have rogers up, There too so off off the top of, 940 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 3: my head One is harrison Alc And, tara guzman but 941 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 3: then don't sleep On Ice. 942 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 2: On Diaz trevor rodgers. And others that's PROBABLY how i. 943 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 2: Would Go. 944 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 1: And braxing garrett's One that i'm really excited to see, 945 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,839 Speaker 1: as well because he has that pitch, ability too where 946 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 1: he can throw three pitches for. A strike he's got 947 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 1: the velocity low. Mid nineties so there's definitely a little 948 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: bit to be. Excited about but in, A nutshell i 949 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 1: still Think the marlins have a lot more to be 950 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: desired in terms, of prospects even though they're a long 951 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: way from where they. Were before so it should be an, 952 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: interesting deadline especially with seeing some of the Assets that. 953 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: Marlins have they didn't realize maybe they had a few 954 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: more bullpen arms than they thought that they would have 955 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: going into. The season and so if, you're training, You Know, 956 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,919 Speaker 1: kyle baraquaw what's the one team you want to send? 957 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,359 Speaker 2: Him to that's a. GOOD question i. Don't know we're 958 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 2: Gonna be we're actually gonna be talking about this on 959 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 2: Our podcast Defensive and difference of Twenty eighty Baseball. This 960 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,760 Speaker 2: sunday we're just going to talk about what a unique 961 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 2: Position that marlins. ARE in i think that almost any 962 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 2: other organization would not think of parting with controllable pieces, 963 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,439 Speaker 2: like this But the marlins are almost so. Far away 964 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 2: AND again i don't mean that in a. BAD way 965 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 2: i think this is the creation of this organization finally building, 966 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 2: Something Sustainable so i'm. For it but it's just a 967 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 2: unique position they're in that they would be considering moving 968 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,439 Speaker 2: a guy like Bar at law or moving a Guy 969 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 2: Like stecond riders second, rider, right, yes, YES second i 970 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 2: saw him play. In college he actually was an outfielder 971 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 2: more than he was a Pitcher At. University tennessee, but 972 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 2: yeah so, YOU know i don't think a lot of 973 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 2: other teams would think about moving those pieces just because 974 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 2: of the amount of team control they have and how affordable. 975 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 2: They are but because generally adding to a bullpen is 976 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 2: like the last thing that you do in roster construction 977 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 2: when you're looking, to compete you could make the argument 978 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 2: that no matter, how controllable there's like no bullpen arm 979 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 2: that really is going to be a make or break 980 00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 2: guy For. The marlins so why not bring back a 981 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 2: lot of value by trading a player that's, you know 982 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 2: has value himself because. He's AFFORDABLE so i don't KNOW 983 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 2: if i. WOULD exactly i don't Know if i'm going 984 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,359 Speaker 2: to name just one TEAM because i think there are 985 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 2: always teams that are looking for. Bullpen HELP and i 986 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 2: also think because these two guys are so young and easy, 987 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 2: to afford that the teams that might jump in the 988 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 2: running might not necessarily be traditional contenders that have bullpen needs, 989 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 2: right now if that. Makes Sense so i'm not going 990 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,280 Speaker 2: to name, one team but, you know definitely an interesting 991 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,399 Speaker 2: president to look into what the prospect turn has been 992 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 2: for such a long term, control blasset like What the 993 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,760 Speaker 2: marlins might have coming. UP here. 994 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,279 Speaker 1: I think i think the best answer would be Not The, 995 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: red sox even though they've called and, Checked in but 996 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 1: there's not really much to be desired in that. Farm 997 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: system But, the indians a few other teams have called 998 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 1: in and there's a little. Bit there so as long 999 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: as it's Not The Boston, RED sox i Think the 1000 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: marlins could get away with a nice. Little return but 1001 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: we're going to wrap. It up, oh sorry, go ahead, Go, 1002 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:02,439 Speaker 1: Ahead yeah. 1003 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 2: I'M sorry i didn't mean to cut. You off i'll. 1004 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 2: SAY this i think that for as valuable as these, 1005 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 2: guys are you're not going to get back like a 1006 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 2: top one hundred and fifty or top two. HUNDRED prospects 1007 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,160 Speaker 2: i don't think for a RELIEVER like i just, unless, 1008 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 2: it's like, you know neither of these guys are that 1009 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 2: top of, the market like, you know The Ewald As 1010 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,359 Speaker 2: Chapman andrew miller prospect, RETURN like i wouldn't really look 1011 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,520 Speaker 2: at that as the president for what's coming Back For. 1012 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 2: BARRETT law i think That the marlins have made interesting 1013 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,320 Speaker 2: deals in the past where they have traded a reliever 1014 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 2: for a package. Of Prospects The david phelps deal comes. 1015 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 2: TO mind i want to say they got like three 1016 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,359 Speaker 2: or four guys Back for phelps in the middle of, last, 1017 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 2: year right and one. 1018 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,760 Speaker 1: Of Them Was, pablo lopez, who's yeah it looked. Pretty. 1019 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 2: Good Yeah so i'm, just, SAYING like i don't know 1020 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 2: if a household name prospect comes Back For, barrett law 1021 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 2: but don't sleep On the marlins first out. And department 1022 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,920 Speaker 2: there is plenty of depth in the. MINOR leagues i 1023 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 2: do Think that bartflaw, can return, you know a nice package, 1024 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 2: of PROSPECTS but i don't think that he returns necessarily 1025 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 2: like a true household name. Prospect, either. 1026 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 1: YEAH and i was hoping that maybe that historic Month 1027 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: of june could help a, little Bit and i'm sure. 1028 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 1: It DID and, i mean this is the time to, 1029 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: sell high but Hopefully the marlins can at least get 1030 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,919 Speaker 1: some depth in their farm system and something that they could. 1031 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,399 Speaker 1: Definitely use and it's a good time to sell high 1032 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 1: on some. CONTROLLABLE pieces I wish i could keep you 1033 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,240 Speaker 1: for hours and go through Every single marlins PROSPECTS because 1034 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 1: i know the. Fans too they even ask about some 1035 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,839 Speaker 1: of these fringe Guys Like. Lazarreo Alonzo the marlins fans 1036 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: just love fair to find out about every single, little 1037 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 1: PROSPECT and i think a big part of that's also 1038 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,400 Speaker 1: been the some of the lower level guys overachieving Like. 1039 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,240 Speaker 1: A pablo so it's been something that's really. Been Enjoyable 1040 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: and i'm sure hopefully we can have you on later 1041 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: in the YEAR because i know everyone loves to hear 1042 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,720 Speaker 1: About these, marlins prospects especially as they keep bringing. Guys 1043 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: in and hopefully we'll have a fun Deadline and i'll 1044 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: have a lot more guys to ask. 1045 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 2: You, about yeah No about sale'll come on in about 1046 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,239 Speaker 2: a month and we can talk about the Deadline because 1047 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,359 Speaker 2: i'm sure that they are going to be moving some 1048 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 2: pieces and they're going to be prospects. Coming back, so yeah. 1049 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,600 Speaker 2: GOOD stuff i really appreciate being on And the marlins 1050 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,200 Speaker 2: are in such an interesting position. Right now i've really 1051 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,440 Speaker 2: enjoyed covering their system. 1052 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,720 Speaker 1: This year oh and it's so nice to have someone 1053 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: with a wealth of knowledge like you on this farm 1054 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 1: system because there are so, many GUYS like, i said 1055 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 1: that aren't those, top flight high, level guys but definitely 1056 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 1: some guys that are worth, talking about like we've mentioned 1057 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: so far in. The show and thank you. So much, 1058 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,400 Speaker 1: adam McInturff the assistant director for Twenty. 1059 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,799 Speaker 2: Eighty baseball really. 1060 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 1: GOOD site, i mean it's the place to go to 1061 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,439 Speaker 1: get any information you want. On players they have bright 1062 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,320 Speaker 1: ups on Guys From manti Harrison To pablo lopez to everywhere. 1063 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,799 Speaker 1: In between so definitely check that Side out and thank you, 1064 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 1: So much adam for. 1065 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,719 Speaker 2: Your, time, YEAH no i. Appreciate it you can find 1066 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,680 Speaker 2: Me on twitter at Twenty. Eighty adam that's two zero 1067 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 2: eight zero eight. A m And our twitter account twenty 1068 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,239 Speaker 2: eighty baseball is two zero eight, zero ball so, you 1069 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,439 Speaker 2: know be sure to check, me out check, us OUT 1070 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,000 Speaker 2: and i really appreciate being. On here thanks for. The 1071 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,680 Speaker 2: time thank you, So, Much adam 1072 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, So, much adam