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Speaker 1: A buddy Michael k voice of the Yankees, long time

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Speaker 1: talk show host in New York. I'll probably ask him

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Speaker 1: about FRANCESSA. Craig Carton, I've met him both. It'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: Good show today. Time for fake questions, real answers. There's

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Speaker 1: questions I want to answer. I just don't want to

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Speaker 1: wait for you to ask the question. This is fake questions,

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Speaker 1: real answers. Dear Colin, if the new Niel rules that's name,

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Speaker 1: image likeness rules had always existed, give me a top

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Speaker 1: five athletes who would have cashed in the most. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you three. Tebow, Reggie Bush, Vince Young. The

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Speaker 1: one name being thrown out that I roll my eyes

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Speaker 1: at as Johnny manziel O. Johnny manziel plays for Texas

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Speaker 1: A and M, which is about a quarter the size

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Speaker 1: one third the size of Oklahoma. Johnny Manziel was a blip.

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Speaker 1: Those aggy teams were never a threat to win the

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Speaker 1: national championship, and they're barely barely a regional brand. Texas

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Speaker 1: southern brand. Texas A and M at best is a

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Speaker 1: marginal state of Texas brand. It's not as big as

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. It's not as big as Texas. Oklahoma football

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Speaker 1: is bigger than Texas, A and M in Texas. Don't

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Speaker 1: believe me. Look at the players they signed over the

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Speaker 1: last twenty years. The best high schoolers of almost always

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Speaker 1: lean Oklahoma over Texas, A and M. The kids in

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Speaker 1: Texas who can play are telling you that after that,

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Speaker 1: it's all up for debate. But Tebow, Bush, vinch Young

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Speaker 1: top three in any order, Dear Colin? Is it me?

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Speaker 1: Or is Pro Football Focus getting worse every day? They

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Speaker 1: just rated Dak Prescott as the sixth best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the NFL and Kirk Cousins as the eighth best quarterback

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Speaker 1: is something I go to after I watch the games.

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Speaker 1: But Kirk Cousins, in his last twenty four primetime games

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Speaker 1: is eight and sixteen. In fact, he's one in nine.

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Speaker 1: In his last ten primetime games, he beat the Bears once,

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Speaker 1: and the team's Kirk Cousins beat were Houston, Chicago, Detroit twice,

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Speaker 1: that's it. If you got him as the eighth best quarterback,

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Speaker 1: then your algorhythms are off. I like Dak Prescott last

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Speaker 1: seventeen games, He's six and eleven. The teams he beat Rebuilding, Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: Rebuilding Giants twice, Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, and the Rams. Again.

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Speaker 1: I watched the games, then I go to Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott are not top ten quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Dak has some arguments as being a top ten highest

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Speaker 1: if the Vikings could upgrade from Kirk Cousins, and they've

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Speaker 1: already tried once, they would do it tomorrow. Dear Colin,

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul finally got a shot in the finals. Is

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Speaker 1: there a player you think of who never got a

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Speaker 1: shot in the finals was great and you wish he had. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been asked this before. It's Bernard King, nick's unluckiest

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Speaker 1: a break. Physically hurt early, hurt often. Bernard King. Dear

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Speaker 1: Colin Bryson Deshamble is already one of the most hated

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Speaker 1: guys in sports, and now as Caddie just quit, who

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Speaker 1: does he remind you of? Great question? He reminds me

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Speaker 1: Bryson D. Shambo will be his name. His name is

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Speaker 1: Michael k longtime play by play voice of the Yankees

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Speaker 1: Most Fascinating Interviews from a Rod to Jay Z. So.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in the West Coast, Michael, and the

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Speaker 1: not Philadelphia, it's not New York. You do talk radio,

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Speaker 1: the world. And George Steimerer walked in, saw him stretching,

424
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Speaker 1: and he had a rough season. He goes, if you

425
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: blow this game tonight, he goes, you're gonna be picking

426
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: strawberries back in Plant City. I'll see to it. He

427
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: was awful in that game. He just couldn't do it.

428
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean, some people loved when George challenged them, not

429
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: Kenny Rogers. So that was one of the guys that

430
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: you thought he'd be a decent pitcher because he wanted

431
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: to pitch a perfect game somewhere else. He had great stuff,

432
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: but he was not built for the Yankees. How are

433
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: you and George, how'd you get along? We were really okay,

434
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: you know. You know, I was a writer first, so

435
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: I was always trying to pick up stories, and I

436
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: think he liked my aggressiveness and stuff like that. And

437
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: he actually had to approve me to go on the radio.

438
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: Maybe he approved me so I'd get out of his

439
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 1: hair as a writer. But then when the network started.

440
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: John Philippelli was starting the Yes Network and George said, well,

441
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: who are you gonna hire to do play by play?

442
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: He goes, I like the guy you have on the radio,

443
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: Michael Kay, and Steiner goes, absolutely not because why he goes,

444
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm not breaking up that radio for that's the best

445
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: thing we have. Sterling and Kay. People love them, and

446
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: Flip told them, you realize how big this network could be.

447
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: It's going to change sports. The radio is going to

448
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: be minuscule compared to what the TV could be if

449
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: Kay is the right guy. And he kept badgering George

450
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: Steiner about that, and finally George said, all right, you

451
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: do it, but if it messes up or he messes up,

452
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: it's your backside and you'll be fired. And that was

453
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, isn't that crazy? Kids are interesting. You

454
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: have some young kids now, and I've got older kids

455
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: that his. George's kids are much different than George. And

456
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, I always say that's my son and my daughter.

457
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: It's like they're from two different some unbelievers. It's so scary,

458
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. I mean, like George was intimidating, but

459
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: from why would I gather that his sons having perhaps

460
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: watched this at times Volcanic Father, and how people reacted

461
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: to it, Michael, this is a guest by me. They're

462
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: a little more gentle with their broadcasters and usually their

463
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: players in the media. Is that fair well. I think

464
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: Hank who just you know who just passed away, was

465
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: more like George. But How is not at all. And

466
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: when he spoke to the media today, people always I

467
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: almost feel sorry for him. He's running this multi billion

468
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: dollar corporation and all he hears as well, if your

469
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: father was alive, he would do this well. If George

470
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: was alive, Aaron Boone would be fired right now, and

471
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: Brian Caston would be fired because they had won a

472
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: World Seriousness two thousand and nine. And How said something

473
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: very interesting. He said, listen, I love my dad and

474
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: he was great at what he did. But a lot

475
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: of the things that you want me to do are

476
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: things that you criticized for doing and they didn't work out.

477
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: He's very, very analytical, and he's a gentle guy, a

478
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: real gentleman. He's nothing like you know George, where he

479
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: seeks the spotlight. He's not that guy. He runs the

480
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: organization the way he would run I don't know a

481
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: computer company. He's just that guy. There's no emotion there.

482
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: He wants the team to win because he knows it's

483
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: his name's legacy. But he doesn't run it like George

484
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: at all at all. I'm not saying one ways right,

485
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: one way is wrong. But Joel Sherman has a story

486
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: in the Post today where he said, now people wax

487
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: poetic about George Steinberder, but there was a time when

488
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: he was leaving Yankee Stadium in nineteen ninety when he

489
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: got suspended. The crowd stood up and gave him a

490
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: standing ovation because they were glad that he was gone.

491
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: It was the second tour of duty for George where

492
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: he became beloved. You know, Joe Torrey was there for

493
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: twelve years. They won those titles. That's the George that

494
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: people love. But the one that fired Yogi bearfter sixteen games.

495
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: How's not going to do that. He's just not Joe

496
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: Tory was interesting. I said, he's a little bit like

497
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers. I think he understands the alpha male. He's

498
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: really good at just sort of he understands the temperature

499
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: of the room and baseball's unique. Michael, and that You're

500
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: on the road for an entire NBA season, eighty two games,

501
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: spring training, postseason, and you know how many games can

502
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: you win schematically? Not many? Six? Maybe if you're really

503
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: Tony LaRussa in his prime, do you? I always said,

504
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 1: Joe Tory reminds me of everybody's stepdad, who's bigger than

505
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: your bigger biological father. He coaches your little league team,

506
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: and you never want to disappoint and you would never

507
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: talk back to him. You know, Joe had this sort

508
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: of masculine you know, kind of a Steve McQueen, like,

509
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: don't mess around with this guy. That was my interpretation

510
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: of him. Did you ever see that? What did you use? Well?

511
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: I thought his genius column And the reason why he

512
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: was able to survive is that every other manager during

513
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: George Steimer's heyday cowered in fear of George's phone call

514
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: or yelling, and Joe was always preemptive. So if the

515
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: Yankees lost four games in a row, he didn't cower.

516
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: He called George and he said, we're having a rough

517
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: goal over George, and all of a sudden it was

518
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: an ally thing. Well, how do we get out of this?

519
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't this It wasn't them going up against each other.

520
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: That was his genius. And also Paul o'neilis told me

521
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: the thing that made him so beloved to the players

522
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: that the first time he ever spoke to them, he said,

523
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: I want you guys to look up my record. One

524
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: year I won an MVP and I hit three sixty five,

525
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: and the next year I hit two fifty nine and

526
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: I tried just as hard. I know how had this

527
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: game is. I will never bust your butt about going

528
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: over four. I'll just bust your butt about not trying.

529
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: So he was one of them. He had performed at

530
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: a high level. He was a borderline All of famer

531
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: as a player, and he never asked more of them

532
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: that he would have asked of himself as a player.

533
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: And I think they appreciated that. And you're right, they

534
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: never wanted to disappoint him. He was like dad. You know,

535
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: he didn't yell, but if he gave you that look

536
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: where he disappointed you, they were crushed. Guys like O'Neil

537
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: would never want to disappoint him, you know, the warrior.

538
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: If he disappointed Tory would ruin his whole day. He

539
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep at night and that's how all those players were.

540
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: What's wrong with this version of the Yankees. And as

541
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: I say that they're they're certainly in the hunt. I mean, hell,

542
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: the Dodgers have I think the most talented roster in baseball,

543
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: and they trailed the Giants. And if you put the

544
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: two rosters next to each other, you'd pick the Dodgers

545
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: at olpost, every position. So baseball's quirky sometimes, you know

546
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, sometimes they had injuries, Bell and jur and

547
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: Mookie Bets and they just they're not in sync yet.

548
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: They got no hit recently. If I said to you

549
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: two things need to be solved for the Yankees to

550
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: win a World Series, what would they be. They gotta

551
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: get their pitching straightened out. Clooper has to come back,

552
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: and that's a big if you know, he had established

553
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: himself as the second guy after pitching the no hitter.

554
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: He was really good and that looked like a gamble

555
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: that paid off. And the other thing is Colin. They've

556
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: got to be more balanced. They're an entire right handed

557
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: hitting lineup. It's you to have your relief pitchers come

558
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: in against them. Teams like the Tampa Bay Rays, they

559
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: have hard throwing right handers. They know you bringing a

560
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: right handed reliever. There's eight right he's in a row

561
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: and there's no threat of a lefty. So I think

562
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: that before the trade deadline, Brian's gonna have to go

563
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: out and get a left handed hitting center fielder because

564
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: right now you've got a thirty seven year old Brett

565
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: Gardner playing center, and when he's not playing, Aaron Judge

566
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: moves to center, and you're weakening too many positions. But

567
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: the problem with this team, they're balance, they're not athletic,

568
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: they don't run the base as well. They don't play

569
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: great deep, not at all. The only way they went

570
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: is to hit home runs. And what might help them

571
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: is that, Okay, if you abolish the sticky stuff, then

572
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: the pitchers are going to come down a little bit

573
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: and maybe the home runs will return. But it also

574
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: means that you're pitching is going to come down a

575
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: little bit. So we'll see how it balances out. Yeah,

576
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: as the reports have come out on the tack, averages

577
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: have flourished over the last forty five days. So the

578
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: good news they were at two thirty seven. I think

579
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: they're closer to two fifty now. It's about ten points.

580
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: I know that. And then with the Yankees, before the

581
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: threat of them instituting this, their team era was three

582
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: to five, which is great in the American League. And

583
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: in the month that the threat started and then the

584
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: institution of the rule, it's up to five point seven.

585
00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: So it affects pitching for sure. Marv Albert never did baseball.

586
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: He did basketball and hockey the nightly news. And I've

587
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: always said, baseball you have to be all in. It's

588
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: too complex. There's too many players. They used to have

589
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: the September call ups, which was just added more complexity

590
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: to it. That has there ever been a time for

591
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: you that you thought, God, I do baseball. If I

592
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: did basketball, hockey, I would have an ability to do

593
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: other things. But you go on these long road trips, Michael,

594
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: and it takes you out of service of other things.

595
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: Marv Albert, another iconic broadcaster in New York, shied away

596
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: from baseball. I believe for that very reason. It is

597
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: baseball something that has there ever been a moment that

598
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: you have questioned the sacrifice it's taken on you, your family,

599
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: the toll, the hours, your career. It's a grind, and

600
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, the only positive thing that has come out

601
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: of this pandemic is that we don't travel. I mean,

602
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: it will obviously return at some point, but we still

603
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: do all the games from Yankee Stadium, even the road games.

604
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: So that's the hardest part of the job, as being

605
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: on the road. But I love it. I led a

606
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: very selfish life, Colin, because I didn't get married till

607
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: I was fifty, so my whole career was already established,

608
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: and I loved it. It didn't bother me being on

609
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: the road. It was a girlfriend I was leaving behind.

610
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't a wife and kids. So since you know,

611
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: I have an eight year old daughter and a six

612
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: year old son and I've been married now ten years,

613
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: it hurts a little bit, but I mean I bring

614
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: it out myself. If I didn't have the radio show,

615
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: I'd have the whole winner off. So I've got to

616
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: make a choice at some point as I get older

617
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: and the kids, you know, start doing baseball and you know,

618
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: swims and stuff like that, do I want to be there?

619
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: And the way I can be there is to open

620
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: up my winners and we'll see. But it would be

621
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: hard for me to complain and also disingenuous and I

622
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: write this in the book as well. I wanted to

623
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: be the Yankee announcers since I was nine years old.

624
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I ever wanted to be. If

625
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: I start complaining about it now, if you came up

626
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: to me and punched me in the face, you up

627
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: the right by the way. I hear New York, La,

628
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: now that we're out of the mask wearing stage, is

629
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: as lively and joyful as a major city can be.

630
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: I hear New York it's like the seventies. It is wild,

631
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: people are spending money. Now you're a married guy, but

632
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: you still take your beautiful wife out in the town.

633
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: But tell me what New York is like now post

634
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: mask wearing. You know how, I've realized that things are

635
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: back to normal. I've never seen traffic like this ever,

636
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: and I've been a New Yorker my whole life. And

637
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: it was like New York opened like one day without

638
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: any warning. We turned on the nick game against the

639
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: Hawks and there were twenty thousand people in the garden.

640
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: I think that was a seminal moment where you said, wow,

641
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: what happened? And now you get on the Deagan and

642
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: while it might have been a twenty minute ride. It's

643
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: now an outs Traffic's worse than ever, and I think

644
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: that one of the reasons why people are still hesitant

645
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: to go into subways. So you see trains and buses

646
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: empty and people are driving everywhere and you can't get around.

647
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: So Manhattan was a ghost town for about fourteen months

648
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: and now it's it's jammed. Everything is jammed, and I

649
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: just hope that we make the right decision at the

650
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: right time, because it just turns so quickly. It wasn't

651
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: like an easing end. It was where open. It's the

652
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: roaring twenties. Yeah, So your book is Center Stage, which

653
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: is a very popular show on cable in New York

654
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: where you interview anybody, anybody that's in town. There's some weirdos,

655
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: there's some wild ones, there's some reluctant ones. Bill Russell,

656
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: you know. Bill Russell's funny because he was a broadcaster

657
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: for the NBA's He lives in Seattle, where I grew up.

658
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: And Bill's had and I think it's it's reasonable always.

659
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: First of all, I had a very difficult life the

660
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: racial barriers he faced, So any angst, any strong opinions

661
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: are justified to me. But when you did the Bill

662
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: Russell interview and you talk about it, take me through it?

663
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: Was it uncomfortable? He is one of the I mean,

664
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: you've interviewed him, right, No, but I've I've grew up

665
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: with him as a sonic, as a coach, as a broadcaster.

666
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: He I've watched every documentary. I saw a lot of

667
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: Bill Russell in the Northwest. I've seen some of his

668
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: college stuff. I think with him, he's going to come

669
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: into any interaction and not trust you. And I don't

670
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: blame him, as you said, he's had a hell of

671
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: a life. But the fact that a year before I

672
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: had interviewed Red Aueback kind of gave me a little

673
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: bit of an end with him. You know, he trusted more.

674
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: But I say this in the book too, He's one

675
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: of the most difficult people to interview because of the

676
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: cadence of his voice. You don't know when he's finished.

677
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: He has this high pitched cackle of a laugh, and

678
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: it's hard to get it. You know. It's almost like

679
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: if you play tennis, it's about rhythm. You know, you're

680
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: gonna serve, they're gonna return. You're gonna serve they're gonna return.

681
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: With Bill, you don't know if he's gonna return, And

682
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: once you get that cadence down, he's got. He's lived

683
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: one of the most influential and important American lives when

684
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: it comes to sports. The stories are amazing what he

685
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: went through with the racism that he encountered in Boston

686
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: and the things that he's battled through. That's definitely one

687
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: of my favorite interviews. But again, it's just to get

688
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: to that pacing in the rhythm. That was the hardest

689
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: thing about the interview. The only time I've ever done

690
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: an interview that I recall that I couldn't air was

691
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor. I thought he was on something. I knew

692
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: he was on something. I just couldn't er it. I

693
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: did it. I don't do many pre taped interviews. I

694
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: did one, and I just turned to my staff and

695
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, that can't go on the air. You had

696
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: a similar feel with Mike Tyson. Icon was two hours late,

697
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: and when you're running a television show, time is money.

698
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: The cameraman, a lot of staff, you're ranking out studios

699
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: and things like that. Showed up two hours later and

700
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: showed up with two buddies and then they were paired

701
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: into his dressing room and they were there for about

702
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: an hour and from underneath the door you smelled skunk

703
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: pot so they were getting high. And then he comes

704
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: out and he was feeling it. You could tell, you

705
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: can see his eyes. But you know, time is money.

706
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: Let's do let's do the interview, Colin. I'll tell you what.

707
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: He sat there and for over an hour he either

708
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: started weeping, laughing, up roariously, happy, sad. I thought he

709
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: was going to hit me. At one point, everybody in

710
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: the audience was sitting on the edge of their seat,

711
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: sitting on the edge of their seat. It was so

712
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: raw and so visceral. And I found this out only

713
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: three weeks ago. It's out in the book because I

714
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: found it out three weeks ago. So the show ends

715
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: and you leave the show and you go, wow, that

716
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: was something, because he let it all out. The show

717
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: airs on Yes, and a guy who's watching the show

718
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: by the name of Spike Lee, he watches the entire show,

719
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: picks up the phone, calls up Tyson and goes, that's

720
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: a one man Broadway show. What you just did? And

721
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: that was the start of Tyson on Broadway. That's crazy,

722
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: isn't that unbelievable, And you know Mike complaint to Spike

723
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: about a little something for the effort. I wasn't in it,

724
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, interviewing is funny. I had a rough one

725
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: with Jim Harball that I had to end it. Jim

726
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: was just Jim's on the spectrum a little and he

727
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: was just not in the mood. And I could be

728
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: on the spectrum a little and I could sense it

729
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: was just going nowhere, and it ended it. Did you

730
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: ever have to end it or stop production? Of God?

731
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: If you didn't stop with Tyson? It doesn't sound like

732
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: anything would stop it. But was there ever a moment

733
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: you thought, Jesus, this is awful. The worst We've got

734
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty interviews in twenty years, and there's

735
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: thirty five in the book, and the worst one ever

736
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: was Dennis Quake, the actor. So he was promoting the

737
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: movie The Rookie. You remember the teacher who became a

738
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: pitcher for the Tampa Bay Jim Walk. Yeah, So he

739
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: shows up at the studio and I guess he thought

740
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: it was like a Regis and Kelly thing where eight

741
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: minutes and he's out and he's told it's an hour

742
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: and he's chapped, which I don't understand how his people,

743
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: his handlers wouldn't have told him that. So he sits

744
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: down on the chair, in the chair and he's not

745
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: ready to play, and I'm asking him questions. So it's

746
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: an eight segment show, and this is the first two segments.

747
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: Every answer Colin is yes, no, yes, no, all right.

748
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: So after the second segment we go to commercial and

749
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: I lean over, I said, hey, listen, the show's an hour.

750
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: You can't speed it up. I got thousands of questions.

751
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna look bad. I'm not. It's up to you

752
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: how you want this to go. And like he was

753
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: stunned that somebody would talk to him like that. You know,

754
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: he's a big star. And he picked it up a

755
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: little bit. And because again time is money and we're

756
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: a regional sports network, you can't just throw the interview away.

757
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: We ran it. But it was not our proudest moment,

758
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: was not his proudest moment. That was the toughest one.

759
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: I said, of all the interviews we ever did, I'd

760
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: say that that was the only bad one that I'd say.

761
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: I couldn't And maybe I blame myself because I see

762
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: him on the Tonight Show or on Kimmel and Colbert,

763
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: and he's a great guest, but maybe he's a great

764
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: guest in eight minute segments, but for an hour he

765
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to play in all your There's a certain

766
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: tight rope will you walk where you have to have

767
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: credit ability with the audience, Michael, and be critical of

768
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: players when they stink. Baseball players can be I found

769
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: very sensitive. So where's a college football player. They stay

770
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: on a college campus for three and four years, a

771
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: lot of sacrifices with their time, They have to meet

772
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: different people. NBA players often come from overseas academies, and

773
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: you can do other things as a basketball player, but baseball,

774
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: increasingly is that's the sport you have to play. You

775
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: play youth baseball, you play at eleven months out of

776
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: the year, and even if you play college baseball, the

777
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: schedules too much of a grind. You don't really go

778
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: to class, you do it online. You major in psychology.

779
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: I have found through my life that baseball players live

780
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: in a very insular tunnel and don't take to criticism. Well,

781
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: is there are there one or two players that Michael,

782
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,959
Speaker 1: that you've you've really struggled with you were critical. They

783
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: confronted you because you have to buy credibility with the

784
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: audience and be critical. They know you're the Yankee announcer. Well,

785
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: the most difficult thing that makes the tight rope really

786
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: scary for me is the radio show. So the radio

787
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: show is on from two to six thirty and it's

788
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: simulcast on Yes, now, to my chagrin, that TV. All

789
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: the TV's in the clubhouse are on that simulcast when

790
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: they're in there getting ready for the game, and that's

791
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: when I'm most critical. Now, I'm critical on games, but

792
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: that's not my role on the game. I'm a play

793
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: by play guy. I'm not the analyst. Now, I'll give

794
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: my points, but I've got it for four and a

795
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: half hours. If somebody's doing a bad job, I gotta

796
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: do it. I gotta I gotta say it. They don't

797
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: like it, and I know they don't like it, and

798
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: I've tried to bribe the clubhouse guys put that show

799
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: off the air. I don't want it on the TVs.

800
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: But but, but, but it's on the TV. So I

801
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: remember something Dick Young told me, the famous columnist in

802
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: New York, when I was first starting and I was

803
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: a writer, and he said, if I can give you

804
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of advice, anything you write, if you

805
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: write critical stuff, and even if you're off the next day,

806
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: show up, stand in the middle of the clubhouse. Somebody

807
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: has a problem with you, they'll come to you, he said.

808
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: But if you don't show up, it only builds and

809
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: becomes bigger and bigger. I think that's great advice. So

810
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: if I ever say anything critical, I make sure that

811
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of the room. Now the last

812
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: two years it's tough because the room is closed, so

813
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: maybe there's a lot of animosity being built up. But

814
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: you know one guy that it bothers me tremendously. I

815
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: don't have a great relationship with CC's about you, who's

816
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: a great guy. But he came from Cleveland and Milwaukee,

817
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: and he didn't expect the announcers to be critical. And

818
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: he didn't like the fact that, you know, when the

819
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: aches aren't playing well, I say they did not playing well,

820
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: because I always say, if you don't tell, if you

821
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: don't if you if you're a restaurant critic and you

822
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: don't say any food is bad, then why should they

823
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: appreciate when you say food is great. You gotta say

824
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: what's something's bad in order to know if something's really good.

825
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: And CC I tried a hundred times. I wanted to

826
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: talk with him. He wanted no part of it. He

827
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: just he just like shut me out, which is difficult

828
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: because he's one of the leaders of the clubhouse. That's

829
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: something that you have to worry about. Now. On the

830
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: flip side, when I was first starting out, I was

831
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: the only guy that Don Mattedly trusted, and he was

832
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: the president of that room. So whenever anybody came to

833
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: the Yankees, he would point to me and go, see

834
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: that guy over there, that's the guy to trust. I mean,

835
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: I was gold. Now twenty years later, yet CC Sabat

836
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: you're probably saying, see that guy, he's a jerk. So

837
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you just just well, this was fun for me.

838
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: So the book Center Stage, Michael's want a lot of Emmy's.

839
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: He's the voice of the Yanks Michael K Show on

840
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: New York Radio. One of the genuinely good storytellers and

841
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: good guys in our business. I missed going to New York.

842
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: You know. Now I'm out in La all boogie and

843
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, really you you knew me when

844
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Speaker 1: I was an AM radio guy and basically Mike and

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Speaker 1: Mike's valet. So both of us have done well. You

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Speaker 1: were already a big shot, but we both ended up

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Speaker 1: doing well in our fifties. You're married to Jody formerly

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Speaker 1: Jody Applegate, who was the wildly popular Today Show host.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic talent, and it's fun. I tell my wife this

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Speaker 1: all the time. I'm so grateful for this life. I

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Speaker 1: love what I do, and when I listen to you,

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Speaker 1: I think you love what you do. I do. I'm

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Speaker 1: very lucky, and I really it sounds like I'm joking,

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Speaker 1: but I never like to complain about anything because there's

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Speaker 1: so many people that would love to be in our position,

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Speaker 1: and we are privileged, and we worked hard. I know

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Speaker 1: how hard you work, and I know how hard I work,

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Speaker 1: but it is a privilege. There were very few of

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Speaker 1: these jobs, especially at the level that we have them.

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Speaker 1: I never take it for granted, and I cherish it.

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Speaker 1: I really do. Who knows one of lend who knows

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Speaker 1: how long it lasts, But you know, to have a

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Speaker 1: thirty year run is the voice of the Yankees, I'll

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Speaker 1: take it. That's that's a pretty good run. Most underrated

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Speaker 1: baseball stadium in North America. I love Seattle Stadium. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it's called. I think it's Team Safe,

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Speaker 1: Team Mobile. I love that stadium. They got it right

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Speaker 1: because it's a retractable roof that even when it's closed,

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Speaker 1: it seems like it's open. I love that town. I

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Speaker 1: wish it was in Rhode Island. I go to it more.

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Speaker 1: But it's a great town. I love that. I love

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Speaker 1: I love Camden Yards, which is the first one of

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Speaker 1: the retro stadiums in Cleveland's a great stadium as well. Uh,

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Speaker 1: those are wonderful. I mean I really enjoy that. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Fenway and Wrigley, but they're not underrated. Everybody

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Speaker 1: rates them. Ever a stadium in your entire career, or

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Speaker 1: a booth that was just awful to broadcast from, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean Fenway and Wrigley are terrible broadcast from carab

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Speaker 1: I mean Wrigley. The older announcers, I mean Bob Murphy

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Speaker 1: once got really ill. I mean you got to climb

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Speaker 1: up steps. There's no I mean it's nineteen thirty with

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Speaker 1: Ruth pointing out the center field and the booth at

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Speaker 1: Fenway Park is so up in the air. It's it's

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Speaker 1: you've seen fly balls from the top of the ball,

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Speaker 1: so it's a different way to call a game. And

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Speaker 1: the worst new stadium in terms of like work, Nationals Park.

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Speaker 1: I mean you you almost get buzzed by airplanes you're

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Speaker 1: so high in the air. Because they realize, why are

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Speaker 1: we giving the media these booths that we could sell

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Speaker 1: for million dollars a year, so they just put us

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Speaker 1: over the worst seats in the world. And again you

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Speaker 1: can't complaint because people gont shut up. But that's bad.

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Speaker 1: That is bad. Those are awful. By the way, Texas

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Speaker 1: is miserable in the summer. Didn't you take Texas off

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Speaker 1: for a while? I took this road trip off. As

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Speaker 1: I've gotten older, I take texts because Texas to me

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Speaker 1: when I'm in Texas. I don't understand how it took

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Speaker 1: three and a half hours to get there. It's too long.

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Speaker 1: It's the middle of the country. If I could get this,

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Speaker 1: if I could get to California in five and a half,

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Speaker 1: it should take me two and a half to get

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Speaker 1: the texts, so that gets out and I I do

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Speaker 1: avoid California a lot. I just I hate that flight.

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Speaker 1: I love the area but I'd never liked flying, not

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Speaker 1: because of fear. I just hate it. I hate being confined.

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Speaker 1: I probably have add hate it. The less time I

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Speaker 1: can spend in a plane, the better. Michael, Great, pleasure

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Speaker 1: to talk to you. Continued success book is center Stage,

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Speaker 1: My most fascinating interviews A Rod to jay Z. Good

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Speaker 1: luck to you, buddy, You're you're a class act. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to tell you one thing. Don

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Speaker 1: mc grackly, who I do the radio show with, he

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Speaker 1: and I agree on only one thing. Nobody does radio

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Speaker 1: better than you in terms of like, you know how to,

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Speaker 1: you know how to like lay out points, and you

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Speaker 1: should have been a lawyer. And Don and I poys

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Speaker 1: agree on it. And when he heard that I was

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Speaker 1: going to be talking to you and I said, wow,

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Speaker 1: tell him. I think he's great. So we both think

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Speaker 1: you're great. Thank you so much, Michael, say how to

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Speaker 1: Don for I will be good. Thanks for this. That's Michael. Kay.

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