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Speaker 1: dope knife, and we are waiting on reparations. You know,

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Speaker 1: we we've been messing up on that for like the

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. I'm doing good. How about you? I'm good,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm staying staying healthy, staying working, staying busy. Fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I imagine you're staying busy. I mean, I'm just imagined.

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Speaker 1: Und Yeah, we're voting on the We're voting on the

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Speaker 1: hearing this episode, we will have improved our three hundred

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Speaker 1: like a lot of really dope stuff. Yeah, not everything

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Speaker 1: I wanted, but pretty close. Yeah, I'm looking at you.

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Speaker 1: You see you don't seem like as enthusiastic as I

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Speaker 1: know that there's a larger battle but enjoy the joy

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Speaker 1: by three billion dollars regt regarless, whether that's viable. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: that's sucking bold. That's hard to come out and say,

426
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: so like prosper you for that. But then yeah, the

427
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: news came out about the attempted unionization and then she

428
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: fired a bunch of people. And then I read this

429
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: letter that was actually published by a fifteen year old

430
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Speaker 1: volunteer of hers that she was um like appointed like

431
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: the field field captain for the Queen's Borough area, fifteen

432
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: years old, working like forty hours a week for Diane

433
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: Morales promised, yeah, like canvassing until like late at night

434
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: in like dangerous areas by herself. Asked her to like

435
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: become salary, Like, hey, well you hire me onto the campaign.

436
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm working my ass off for you after I get

437
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: out of high school in the afternoons. And Diane Morales

438
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: was like, nah, like what she should do it for

439
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: the movement. Do it for the movement, you know what.

440
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: I was just like, damn, that's yeah, that's like I'll labor.

441
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: And there's a lot to be said when it gets

442
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: into like or like electoral organizing specifically an exploitation of

443
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: young people, Like I've seen it half a lot of time.

444
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of friends, I've worked in campaigns myself,

445
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: and I know how grilling they are, and like, I

446
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: think a loggery conversation needs to be had about like

447
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: respecting the dignity, like if we are we're gonna be

448
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: like work pro worker people, candidates, elected, officials, etcetera, like

449
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: also extending those rights and uh, those dignities to people

450
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: who get us elected. Just because we're working, because we're

451
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: working in a movement to change society, doesn't mean like

452
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: you you bleed and cry blood over this campaign. You

453
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: like you deserve to get paid, You deserved like protections,

454
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: you deserve benefits just like anyone else. Um. And so

455
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: I think this is a really sad example of that

456
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: where it's like people believe in something so much, they

457
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: believe in a candidate so much they're willing to do anything,

458
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: and then and then they get exploited. And I'm really

459
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: we're honestly proud for her staff or stepping up and

460
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: be like, you know what, No, we want to see

461
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: her on this campaign the way that you claim you're

462
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: gonna run to run the city. And just because we

463
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: believe in your vision does not mean we're willing to

464
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: like prostrate ourselves before you like slaves to make that happen.

465
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: So then with like with all that, you know, who

466
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: who is your favorite candidates? Since you follows stuff, I mean,

467
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: I guess people are lining up behind Maya Wiley again,

468
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't really have a dog, and it's fine just

469
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: chewing popcorn, watching from the backs some the sidelines on

470
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: Twitter and personally, I mean, like, I have seen a

471
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: lot of former UM Morales staffers have like joined Wiley's campaign. UM.

472
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: She's been endorsed by Lens with Warren by Jamanni Williams. Uh,

473
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: the public Advocate for New York City, a very popular

474
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: elected official in the city. Um YO C has has

475
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: also come out in support of Wiley. UM In terms

476
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: of her platform, I mean the thing about a lot

477
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: of these candidates and I just like, and I've seen

478
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: I mean like and just working in politics and just

479
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: a lot it's just so jargony and just like using

480
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: whatever buzzwords are cool that like what the fund do?

481
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: You really mean most of the time, but like, you know,

482
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: she wants to do a you know, a new deal

483
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: for New York, universal community care, so like making sure

484
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: they're creating good jobs for people and doing childcare and

485
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: elder care, which is important. You know, she was thinking

486
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: about community centered gun violence prevention plan, which I think

487
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: that makes sense, universal health coverage, UM talking about UM

488
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: the transforming policing. I don't know what the funk. That

489
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: means like I've heard cops like talking about what we're

490
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: going to reimagine public saying no, you're fucking not, you know,

491
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: like it's just it's at least it's been co opted. Yeah,

492
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: but there's certain elements of her platform. I was like,

493
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: all right, I can get behind that, and I understand

494
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: the political pressure into like not state outright, like certain

495
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: things like if if by transforming policing, you mean like

496
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: the less cops like you know you it's hard to

497
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: say that. Um in her plan, she just talked about

498
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: um having like a civilian oversight of the NYPD, I'm

499
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: developing alternatives to policing things like that. So mere, I

500
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: think it does kind of bode well at least for

501
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: my personal politics, where I'm like, all right, I guess

502
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: that's cool. But again, I mean just what I'm just

503
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: watching just I'm just you know, I'm just it's like

504
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: it's like a soap opera to me. Yeah, okay. Last thing,

505
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: the Strokes held an in person concerted Irving Plaza for

506
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: my Wali last Saturday. I mean that's pretty cool. So

507
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: my actual personal favorite candidate, however, gotta be Paperboy previous

508
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: guests in the podcast. You was a former andrean paper

509
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: shout out. He gave us a little retweet you know

510
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: when we talked to that, I posted about the show recently,

511
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: it's like good guy, good person. Um He's now they sorry,

512
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: are now running against their hero Um Andrew Yang, on

513
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: a platform of canceling rent, abolishing the police, and legalizing psychedelics,

514
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: as well as establishing love centers throughout the city where

515
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: New Yorkers can make friends, receive relationship mental health counseling,

516
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: get childcare, and job training. And He's also opened recently

517
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm Sorry. They have also recently been famed for their

518
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: mutual aid and food distribution efforts. They joined protesters for

519
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: getting their asses kicked by cops in Washington Square Park

520
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: to reclaim their space and distribute hundreds of pounds of

521
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: foods and protests of the police curfew, which was ultimately lifted.

522
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: So these they are out there in the streets with

523
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: the people giving out food, paper kicking Andrew Yang's assid

524
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: in basketball. So in Rolling Stone's profile on paper Boy,

525
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: I feel like they have the nail on the head

526
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: about what's special about them as a candidate, writing Prince

527
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: is a shimmering, kaleidoscopic example of what could be if

528
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: the fear of mockery didn't prevent us all from thinking

529
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger, which like that, yeah, I mean,

530
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: like that's what's what paper really brings to the conversation,

531
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: is like they are on apologetically who they are in

532
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: terms of fashion, in terms of just like just being

533
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: a person of the people, and like, oh, it's oh,

534
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: it's like hilarious because they're not like, oh, a City

535
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: Group executive and like you know, the three suit But

536
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: it's like, let's just like but they allow you to

537
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: think a little bit bigger about like the possibilities, you know,

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00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: And I really really appreciate that about them. Well, that's

539
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: a good transition to get into the hip hop side

540
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: of things, because we got Diddy, jay Z and NAS

541
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Speaker 1: have all endorsed the former City Group executive Ray McGuire,

542
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: speaking of stuff suits. The video announcing his campaign was

543
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: directed by Spike Lee, who also endorsed them, and the

544
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: entertainers praise McGuire and the video that was posted on YouTube.

545
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: People come all over the world and say, if I

546
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: can make it here, I can make it anywhere. That's

547
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: the idea We're trying to protect That's what Sean jay

548
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: Z Carter said. Sean, the thing about that fucking line, though,

549
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: is like, but what if you can't make it here,

550
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: what about those people? There are millions, probably millions of

551
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: people in New York that are struggling and not making it.

552
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: What about them? And then it doesn't isn't if you

553
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: can make it here, you can make it anywhere. Kind

554
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: of like saying like everybody can be rich. Isn't the

555
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: same spirit of like it is? Yes, yeah, but it's

556
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: like very rarely like yeah, like jay Z and and

557
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: Diddy are like held up as icons because they did

558
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: make it. Because if anyone could make it and everyone did,

559
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: no one would give a shit about who jay Z was,

560
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: and it's just another person that made it. Yeah, if

561
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: you can make it in Afghanistan, you can make it anywhere.

562
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: If you yeah, if you can make it in Syria,

563
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: you can make it anywhere. Let's let's get really really

564
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: real with the ship. Yeah yeah, yeah was yeah. So

565
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: Sean P. Diddy Combs said that over the last thirty years,

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00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: mcguires was always talking about the people. What does that

567
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: even mean? I mean Trump was always talking about the people,

568
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: about how they're from ship whole countries and how he

569
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: wants to grab them by the pussy. I don't really

570
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: know what you're trying to say. That that's okay. McGuire's

571
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: platform claims to push transformation again of the city's approach

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00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: to public safety and implement a form of policing that's

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00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: is that is respectful, accountable, and proportionate, and a comprehensive

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00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: citywide plan to create affordable housing and collaboration with each

575
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: community that creates jobs, respects neighborhoods and process and protects

576
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: residents from gentrification. So buzzworthy type ship right right? No gentrification? Oh,

577
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: accountable policing, transform public safety? Like okay, what is uh? Yeah,

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00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean you know it's not I'm not necessarily expect them.

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00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: Did he and jay Z to like endorsed paper paper Boy,

580
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: But that would be sick. I mean he just would expect,

581
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, it would Yeah, of course they endorse I

582
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: mean like they're black capitalists, so they endorsed, endorsed the

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00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: capitalists and the biggest capitals in the race, the banker

584
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: in the race. I mean, it makes sense class that

585
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: you're silligning that. Guess, you know, can't even be blamed.

586
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: Let's be real. I can't even but that's fine, that's fine.

587
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, honestly, all these all these platforms, it's really

588
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: hard to differentiate UM just because it's just technocratic jargon

589
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: UM a lot of times, and you have to you

590
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: have to go with UM, like what what their backgrounds say?

591
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: Like what what have they been doing this whole time?

592
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: And so you're a banker, so I don't trust you

593
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: know something. So here we are. We're two cats that

594
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: live in Georgia, and you're an elected Georgia you know, official.

595
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: So why is something like the New York City election?

596
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: So why is it something that's that that people should

597
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: be interested in? Even if it's well, I mean even

598
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: down to beyond the public policies touted by these candidates,

599
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: even the structure of the elections is somewhat of a

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00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: preview of what maybe to come for a state like

601
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: ours that's you know, becoming more progressive but lagging behind significantly.

602
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: So like, what what what are the implications of ran

603
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: choice voting for the way our election shakes out? Does

604
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: it progressive? Make it through because people are able to

605
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: vote their conscience? Does it still you know, favor ultimately

606
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: the central status quo UM. Things like that UM and

607
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: how and how the people have been respond to it,

608
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: and having that expanded menu of options that comes with that. UM.

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00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: I think in terms of messaging what people feel emboldened

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00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: to say in a place that is more progressive. UM.

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00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: You know, in deeply democratic places like this, it often

612
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: means that there is a All it means is there's

613
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: a more deeply entrenched UM political machine. And so seeing

614
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: how like those forces of like the grassroots versus like

615
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: the moneyed special interests, etcetera, like play out against each other. UM,

616
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: I think there's I think there's powerful lessons there for

617
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: people in a place that is becoming more progressive. But

618
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: maybe we can avoid some of the same pitfalls we

619
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: see in a place that where there is that entrenched

620
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: political machine, etcetera. UM. And Plus it's like sports, I

621
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 1: don't know, man, like it's so funny. So here's the example.

622
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: So I went to a Hawks game recently in Atlanta,

623
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: and before I understood I don't watch sports, So before

624
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: I really understood what I was getting myself into, I

625
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: kept telling people I was going to see the Knicks

626
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: game because the Knicks are from New York and I

627
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: had heard of the Knicks because they're from New York.

628
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Even though I lived close to Atlanta, I had never

629
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: really heard of the Hawks before. And I think that's

630
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: a similar thing I was talking about, like the just

631
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: the outside presence of the me and the public imaginations

632
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: and the New York City holds where it's like, before

633
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: I even know about a basketball team from my own backyard,

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00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: I know about the Knicks, And so before I even

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Speaker 1: know about like, oh, what's going on with the Democratic

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Speaker 1: primary if for a secretary of state in Georgia, I

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Speaker 1: heard that Andrew Yang is saying some dumb shit about

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Speaker 1: Palestine or something. So I mean to to to an extent,

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Speaker 1: it's just like forced upon you. Um, outside of the

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Speaker 1: lessons it holds, it's also just like it's just interesting theater.

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Speaker 1: Let's be real. And that's a lot of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: so a lot of what we talked about the show

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Speaker 1: is just like political theater and what it means. Well,

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Speaker 1: after the little break, we are going to talk about

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Speaker 1: some New York rapidy rap songs. Are you excited for that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's do it, all right, We'll be right back, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So in the music discussion today. What we have is

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Speaker 1: we have to when I think are con trasting rap

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Speaker 1: songs that are on similar topics. So on one hand,

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Speaker 1: we have the jay Z song Empire State of Mind,

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Speaker 1: and on the other hand we have the NAS song

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Speaker 1: New York State of Mind, massively contrasting visions or um

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Speaker 1: impressions of New York City. So starting with Nas, we've

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Speaker 1: got New York State of Mind. This song was recorded

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Speaker 1: in on the album Illmatic and it was produced by

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Speaker 1: legendary DJ Premier. Let's check this out. The trick is

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Speaker 1: bringing face to the name and tools without rutting stick.

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Speaker 1: He was going. So, I mean, like, I think you

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Speaker 1: have to also put these songs in their temporal contexts,

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Speaker 1: like all time record high and violent crime um. Three

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Speaker 1: years that followed were like the most homicide plagued like

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Speaker 1: years in the city, these last five decades UM. And

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Speaker 1: I think I think he's speaking to that, you know,

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Speaker 1: definitely you have to consider like at the time that

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Speaker 1: Nas wrote this, he was like sixteen seventeen eighteen, you know,

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Speaker 1: in that range and that age range. So I mean

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Speaker 1: this is like straight up observation of like environmental observation,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like he was like in

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Speaker 1: the you know, not necessarily doing what's being talked about

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Speaker 1: in the song, but he was living in those projects

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Speaker 1: at the time and seeing the cats that that we're

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Speaker 1: doing that, you know. I mean he was seeing the

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Speaker 1: police rating and ship like that. He was seeing task

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Speaker 1: force breaking down people's doors and bass heads, you know.

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Speaker 1: Like so having been a witnessed to that, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like a you know, street level depiction of New

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Speaker 1: York City, you know what I'm saying. It's like almost

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Speaker 1: purposely wiping away the shine in the Polish and it's

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Speaker 1: it's one of those sort of like expos is, like

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Speaker 1: not this is how it really is. Yeah. And then

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Speaker 1: also on top of that, I mean I gotta say

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Speaker 1: there's like three three joints. I feel a Nazis catalog

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Speaker 1: that are, you know, his his best work lyrically, and like, dude,

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Speaker 1: the verses on New York State of Mine, Ye should

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Speaker 1: go check that out. I mean, he was snapping whatever

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Speaker 1: day he wrote that ship, he was snapping in those verses. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then I think it's interesting to note that like

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Speaker 1: by the time that Atenants ended, the city was bringing

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Speaker 1: like seven million more tourists a year the city's population

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Speaker 1: started to grow for the first time in decades, and

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Speaker 1: that then sets us up for the context in which

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Speaker 1: jay Z wrote Empire State of Mind, which came out

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Speaker 1: in two thousand nine. Let's check this out featuring Alicia

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Speaker 1: Keyes Yankee I made the Yankee head my famous in

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Speaker 1: a Yankee a Lot. It's a guilty pleasure of mine.

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Speaker 1: When it came out two nine, I was in college,

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Speaker 1: like I think it was in like a Master Carter

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Speaker 1: American Express commercials probably all boats probably yeah, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's talking about like, oh, the movie scenes and sipping

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Speaker 1: my ties. I mean there's there's there's brief nods to

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Speaker 1: like in reality, it's of like, okay, on the corner

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Speaker 1: selling rock. You know, there's uh, there's sirens are loud,

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Speaker 1: talking about um uh no curfew things like that. But ultimately,

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Speaker 1: ultimately if it comes into like a sight seeing like

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Speaker 1: tourists recap of like, right, this is clearly this is

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Speaker 1: clearly like you're cruising through the city and you're like

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Speaker 1: the double decker bus, yeah, looking around and all the

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Speaker 1: things like oh, there's somebody selling crack out there. Wow, Maureen,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even saying this with any sort of like

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Speaker 1: quality or moral judgment at all. I'm just staying this

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Speaker 1: as like the facts as I see them of how

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Speaker 1: the song makes me feel. And that's a good good

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Speaker 1: point aesthetically in terms of like what the beat inspire,

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Speaker 1: really sha Keys Hooks inspired, It's like optimism and you

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Speaker 1: feel like you're standing in the middle of Times Square,

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Speaker 1: which is the most touristy, like like fake representation of

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Speaker 1: like the lived experience of New Yorkers that you could

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Speaker 1: imagine the lights and everything. You know, that's what let's

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Speaker 1: try to make you feel, even if even if he's

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Speaker 1: telling a more he is painting a more complex picture

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Speaker 1: lyrically than that. It's like, for those who are old

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Speaker 1: enough to remember, you know, two thousand nine, when the

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Speaker 1: song came out, pretty much everything that happened with the song,

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Speaker 1: because it was a huge song when it came out,

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00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: everything that happened with this song, I feel like that

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Speaker 1: was the intent of the song, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It feels like they were like, let's make something that's

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Speaker 1: gonna get played at the Yankee Games for the next

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Speaker 1: thirty years, you know what I mean. Let's make something

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Speaker 1: that's going to be in an American Express commercial. You

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00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, they're going to get that

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Speaker 1: paper down exactly. It's very you know, and again not

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Speaker 1: a judgment call, but it's a very commercial song, whereas, uh,

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Speaker 1: New York State of Mind by NAS really does sound

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Speaker 1: like some plucked poetry and put over a beat. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, doesn't it doesn't. It sounds very

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Speaker 1: agenda less, whereas New York State or Empire State of

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Speaker 1: Mind sounds very very agenda driven. And that agenda is

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Speaker 1: you know that that paper But there's nothing wrong with that,

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Speaker 1: but it definitely is like, uh, you know, come to

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Speaker 1: New York. It's a great place to visit. Surts authority

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Speaker 1: probably like kicked him like some box exactly. Well, that

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Speaker 1: is it for today's episode. We are going to be

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Speaker 1: back next week as we always are, but we are

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Speaker 1: going to end it like we always do. Hey, Joel

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Speaker 1: my man, can you please drop it instrumental for us? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: some fuel of birds, some flash signs from the Yang

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Speaker 1: Gang on the dope one spitting romes is my main thing.

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Speaker 1: To call me knife and stick this dope up in

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Speaker 1: your main vein. I wrapped, get a nose bleed like

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Speaker 1: Strange things like number eleven one on one, and I

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Speaker 1: did them open shows like this because I gotta wrap

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Speaker 1: when they let him. Mariah said, Yo, we can't do

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00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: a politics rap show if we don't go and talk

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00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: about the big Apple. Now we got a rocket lesson

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00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: to go cover another motherfucking election. To my taxicare drippings,

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Speaker 1: my dog walkers on the hawkers of the hot dogs

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Speaker 1: on my other Knew Yorkers. You might never heard to me.

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Speaker 1: My name is miss Parker. I've been watching the Options Office.

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Speaker 1: You gotta parts through, stop yourself, a banker, somebody rapping

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Speaker 1: their yanket, a whole lot of moderates, a couple of

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Speaker 1: left flankers, some volks to their other son like an ankor.

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Speaker 1: But however you want to rank them as choice to make.

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Speaker 1: But I'm waiting into the debating. Here's my only statement.

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Speaker 1: Cancel n spread love shows, some love for paper. How

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Speaker 1: goes New York, then so goes the Nation's here's a

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00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: little conversation about your race for maya ha ha, dope

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Speaker 1: knife Franca and we are waiting on reparation. See you

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Speaker 1: next week. Listen to Waiting on Reparations on the I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts,