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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: I'll that for me.

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Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for.

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Speaker 1: Day Edith State?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Whoo?

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Speaker 1: And now Dan and tie.

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Speaker 3: Oh hi verbals. This is your captain, Tye Hildebrandt. I

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Speaker 3: am joined as always by my Lieutenant Dan Ruvenstein. Welcome

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Speaker 3: aboard this college football experience that we like to call

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Speaker 3: the Tuoes Cruise, don't forget. If you like the solid verbal,

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Speaker 3: find your podcasts. We are a college football show. We

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Speaker 3: do three shows a week. This is the one where

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Speaker 3: we look back, try to put it all in perspective,

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Speaker 3: figure out what all the results mean. We've also got

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Speaker 3: a Thursday preview show as well as a Sunday afternoon

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Speaker 3: recap show where we try to really give you the

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Speaker 3: full holistic picture. Lieutenant Dan, what's going on in and

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Speaker 3: around the world of college football?

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Speaker 1: How are you, Tye? I want to de stock this

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Speaker 1: salary of performance that we're doing right now. After I

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Speaker 1: peeled back the carrot of digital Audio on Sunday. I'm

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Speaker 1: good we started our connection. I guess I'll keep it

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Speaker 1: on theme. I went down to your stateroom, I went

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Speaker 1: you go, oh hurry, and you are fully in. So

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Speaker 1: I want everybody to know that the sacrifice that Tie

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Speaker 1: is giving to you. All systems, go man your battle stations,

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Speaker 1: oh fore boting. It's very real, Tie. You are dedicated

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Speaker 1: to the craft, and I appreciate it. I am dedicated

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Speaker 1: to the craft. I have so much tazzo wild orange

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Speaker 3: Yeah, drain the old lizard into the international waters that

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Speaker 3: surround us here on the two's cruise Neah, where we

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Speaker 3: talk about college football. So, as you know, we've been

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Speaker 3: playing mini games all throughout our previous versions of this

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Speaker 3: to breathe. Okay, we got some suggestions about this. We

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Speaker 3: decided that we would play a game of battleshow.

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Speaker 2: That ship Milton Bradley's great game of strategy. It's loaded

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Speaker 3: So here is what we are doing to keep this

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Speaker 3: four by four ABCD one two three four, got our

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Speaker 1: Oh man, yeah, our bad preseason takes.

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Speaker 3: But also we're competitive individuals and we're trying to win

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Speaker 3: So what you're gonna do is, I hope you've got

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Speaker 3: I are quite literally going to play college football battleship, Dan.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and what should we call a college football version

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Speaker 1: So it's the best name that either involves ship or battle.

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Speaker 1: And the name is cool. It is very cool. U

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Speaker 2: Battleship, Battleship Milton Bradley's great game of strategy. It's loaded

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's a hit. Yeah, that's officially what do we got.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you look at Miami so far, three and

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Speaker 1: But does something excellently well And we'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not. And I think you're right at Pitt.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: They needed to get more consistent quarterback play, and of

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Speaker 1: In fairness, there are moments for Miami defensively where they

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Speaker 3: The one thing that I will point out and then

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Speaker 3: I promise, Saul, let you have your turn. Yes, Miami

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Speaker 3: that our friend Bill Connolly tracks has Miami at five

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about Miami's prospects?

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Speaker 1: Well, the offensive line has to improve. We're talking after

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Speaker 1: There have been really nice again, the word is moments

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Speaker 1: think losing to Georgia Tech is completely indefensible. Losing in

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Speaker 1: There's like win expectancies and stuff like that. If Miami

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Speaker 3: All right, your turn. You guessed A two incorrectly. See

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Speaker 3: if you could do better this time.

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Speaker 1: go B two. You got me mono a mono here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, playing Arnez Battleship.

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Speaker 3: I have here maybe my most controversial opinion. It was

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Speaker 3: make the College Football Playoff. Wow, you doo, okay, lot

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Speaker 3: to peel back here, A lot to peel back here.

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Speaker 3: This has not worked out well, no, suffice to say,

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Speaker 3: but Michigan is five and two. They're five and two,

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Speaker 3: at least in terms of a win loss record. That's

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Speaker 3: better than Miami. You could do worse than five and two.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Of Michigan's five remaining games, though, given the way they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's one of those things too, Where on

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Speaker 3: That's a losable game right and then obviously Ohio State

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Speaker 1: In terms of ifs and butts at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I'm not fully willing to give up on an exciting Michigan,

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Speaker 3: What do we think about Michigan now moving forward? Because

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Speaker 1: I am I'm going to remain bullish on Michigan, and

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe we'll talk about LSU in a little bit. Perhaps,

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Speaker 1: A long time at Washington Michigan September fifth in the

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Speaker 3: All right, so who's up? I guess I'm up, Yes,

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Speaker 1: No, I'll give you another shot, though, Tay.

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Speaker 3: I feel bad, okay, D three.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you one more shot, tie another one. I

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Speaker 1: I knew you would do that. I do. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Tennessee game on the road, granted, on the

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Speaker 3: got a pretty good arm. He would be should be

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Speaker 3: the prototypical Joe moorehead quarterback. He would seemingly fit exactly

436
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Speaker 3: what they're.

437
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Speaker 1: Trying to do. Definitely, why it hasn't clicked.

438
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if it's the line.

439
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on, but it certainly has

440
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 3: not clicked. And we can sink this one to the

441
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Speaker 3: bottom of the ocean. Dan, I don't where do we

442
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Speaker 3: come down on Joe moorehead twenty twenty and beyond at

443
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Speaker 3: Mississippi State, because right now we've got rumors about the

444
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Speaker 3: whole Rutgers opening. Maybe he'd kind of a weird rumor

445
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Speaker 3: to begin with, but we know he's got familiarity with

446
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Speaker 3: the Northeast.

447
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if he has familiarity with the Northeast, that's why

448
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: he shouldn't go to exactly. And as as much talent

449
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Speaker 1: as they're actually is in New Jersey, there isn't talent

450
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Speaker 1: overall running the Rutgers athletic department. It's just a terrible situation.

451
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Speaker 1: So I think he's smart enough not to jump to Rutgers.

452
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Speaker 1: I like Joe Morehead. I like his ability. I think

453
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Speaker 1: he should resonate with recruits. He should be able to

454
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Speaker 1: improve a culture if it needs improving, which obviously, after

455
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Speaker 1: the way they've lost this year, Mississippi State probably does.

456
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Speaker 1: He's resonating with recruits. They have a top twenty class

457
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Speaker 1: at the moment they have. It looks like six or

458
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Speaker 1: seven blue chip guys committed verbally right now. And I'm

459
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Speaker 1: still going to say because of that home environment, because

460
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Speaker 1: of his intellect, I'm willing to write it off as

461
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Speaker 1: you know, whiffing on the Tommy Stevens thing, and see

462
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Speaker 1: that's pushing the chips in with Garrett Strader and hoping

463
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Speaker 1: for the best in terms of developing guys on defense

464
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Speaker 1: with what I still think is a pretty good defensive

465
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Speaker 1: coordinator in Bob Shoot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if Tommy Stevens thing didn't work out, this was

467
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Speaker 3: always a risk. Yeah, the defensive component is quite troubling,

468
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Speaker 3: but yeah, you know, it is what it is at

469
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Speaker 3: this point. So we're gonna sync that to the bottom

470
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Speaker 3: of the ocean. You gave me three shots at you

471
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Speaker 3: before I hit one, so I'm just gonna let you

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Speaker 3: go until you until you get one.

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Speaker 1: Dan Okay, I guess A two before. Uh let's go

474
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Speaker 1: C two because I got a B two last time. Nope,

475
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Speaker 1: all right, now gotta get away from two. Uh C one.

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Speaker 1: You got it, You got it, all right?

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Speaker 3: This, I think will be an interesting discussion between you

478
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Speaker 3: and I. I came into the season and I don't

479
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Speaker 3: know if I ever formally verbalized this.

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Speaker 1: I think you when we when we talked about tears. Yeah,

481
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Speaker 1: I think that's right.

482
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Speaker 3: We talked did nauseam before the season, even during the

483
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Speaker 3: season about the tiers of college football programs in twenty nineteen,

484
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Speaker 3: and I sort of came into the season with it

485
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Speaker 3: being a foregone conclusion that it was gonna be Alabama

486
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Speaker 3: and Clemson playing for the national championship, and that one

487
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Speaker 3: of those two teams is gonna win. And obviously if

488
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Speaker 3: they play, someone's got to win. But I didn't really

489
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Speaker 3: give anyone else a chance. Ohio State starting over in

490
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Speaker 3: some respect with the new coach. Oklahoma, the defense has

491
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Speaker 3: been mud the last couple of years. Hasn't really mattered

492
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Speaker 3: how good they.

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Speaker 1: All light is actually a little bit better than what

494
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma's defense might put them teams through. I think that's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there have been other teams right that you could

496
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Speaker 3: throw in there as well, just like I didn't give

497
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Speaker 3: anybody else a chance LSU. LSU plays in the same

498
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Speaker 3: division as Alabama. I didn't give them a chance. Well, now, Dan,

499
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Speaker 3: here we are through eight weeks of the season, and

500
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Speaker 3: you can make a really good case for Ohio State,

501
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: certainly with where their offense is and how their defense

502
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Speaker 3: has improved from a year ago. I think they're number

503
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Speaker 3: one in the SP. Plus if I look correctly, you've

504
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Speaker 3: got Oklahoma playing as good, if not better than they

505
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Speaker 3: ever have on offense, with an improved defense now that

506
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Speaker 3: they brought Alex grinchover from Ohio State, and the LSU story,

507
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Speaker 3: which again hint, nudge, nudge, we may actually talk about

508
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: here momentarily, but the offense has been dynamic. Defense sad

509
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: defense hasn't been as good, but offensively they've been light

510
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Speaker 3: in the world on fire. I think you can make

511
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Speaker 3: a really good case for those five teams as your

512
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Speaker 3: top tier of college football in this twenty nineteen And

513
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Speaker 3: that means no disrespect to Alabama, who has been outstanding

514
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Speaker 3: behind to a tongue of Iiloa Naji Harris, and of

515
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: course they're incredible wide receiving core and a really good

516
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Speaker 3: defense has some injury but are still a really good defense.

517
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Speaker 3: And the Clemson Tigers, which honestly, Trevor Lawrence has let

518
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Speaker 3: me down a little bit this year. You know, I

519
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: still think he's incredible. I still think he's got to

520
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 3: be the top pick of the twenty twenty one draft,

521
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Speaker 3: but has left me a little bit underwhelmed so far

522
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Speaker 3: this year. The defense is good, obviously, the skilled talents

523
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: out there, they've been killing teams. But I think right

524
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Speaker 3: now that is my top tier. I'm willing to sink

525
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Speaker 3: that previous assumption to the bottom of the ocean and

526
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Speaker 3: say that I think, legit, we've got a five team

527
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Speaker 3: race through eight.

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Speaker 1: So what's more pronounced to you the fact that Alabama

529
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Speaker 1: and Clemson haven't distanced themselves on their own tier, like

530
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Speaker 1: something that they've done to themselves that they've been able

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Speaker 1: to control, or the fact that the teams that you

532
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: mentioned Oklahoma, LSU, and Ohio State have impressed you so

533
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Speaker 1: much that you have to put them on. It's definitely

534
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Speaker 1: Alabama Clemson thing or the other three things.

535
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Speaker 3: It's the other three thing. It's the other three thing.

536
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: With what LSU has been able to do on offense,

537
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: taking the college football world by storm. They've got the

538
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Speaker 3: second best offense according to some of the metrics we

539
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: look at. Nobody saw that coming. I don't care how

540
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Speaker 3: much you believed in what they were going to try

541
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Speaker 3: and do this year. Nobody saw this for Joe Burrow

542
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: big school record halfway through the year.

543
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Speaker 1: No one saw this offense producing at this clip. So

544
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Speaker 1: literally showing their butt to the.

545
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Speaker 3: World, literally showing their butt to the world, Oklahoma. I

546
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Speaker 3: think we expected the offense, but as we said the

547
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Speaker 3: last two years, just marginal improvement on defense would take

548
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Speaker 3: them to a different stratosphere. Yeah, I think they've done that.

549
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: And in Ohio State. Look, Ohio State's playing next level.

550
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Speaker 3: Justin fields has been, as rabal Or Daine has told

551
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Speaker 3: us time and again, maybe the best quarterback in Ohio

552
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Speaker 3: State history ever through like seven games or whatever.

553
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I'm very impressed by what I've seen

554
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: from those three teams. So I think it's both. And

555
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Speaker 1: I don't think you touched on some of the conarning

556
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Speaker 1: parts of Clemson and Alabama enough. I think those three

557
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Speaker 1: teams that you mentioned, I think are instilling a lot

558
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: more confidence at this point than either Alabama or Clemson. Now,

559
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: neither one of those teams has been tested by a

560
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: top tier, uber talented team. They both played Texas A

561
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: and M. I believe that's a common opponent. But Alabama

562
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: has given up more on defense than we're used to,

563
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: and honestly, it's such a tight rope. The margin for

564
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: air is so slim when you're basically revamping a coaching

565
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: staff every year, dealing with injuries and playing freshmen. And

566
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Speaker 1: now it's a great problem to have if you're Alabama

567
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Speaker 1: that you're still Nick Saban hiring who he wants and

568
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Speaker 1: recruiting who he wants, not a matter of who's going

569
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Speaker 1: to go there. And Clemson, I wonder if there's an

570
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Speaker 1: element of what's the line from social network, like do

571
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Speaker 1: I have your attention like you have the minimal amount

572
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Speaker 1: of my attention. I wonder if the medium size of

573
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Speaker 1: Clemson's schedule has Clemson minds wandering like you just you're

574
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: not going to get the focus. We've seen them have

575
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Speaker 1: to take on what Lamar Jackson. We've seen them had

576
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: to take on a good Virginia Tech team that was

577
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Speaker 1: within what a touchdown in the a SEC Championship a

578
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: few years ago. We've seen you know, Miami, Miami teams,

579
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Speaker 1: Florida State teams, and there's just I don't think there's

580
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: anybody that is captivating to Clemson in the acc that.

581
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: I think it starts affecting the way that they're focused.

582
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: I think it starts affecting the way that you get

583
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: punched early on in the season and it wakes you

584
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: up and you're really locked in, right, and I did.

585
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: Clemson's not there and I don't know if they will

586
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: be until they make it to the playoff. It didn't

587
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: really affect them last year they beat Notre Dame by

588
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: twenty said.

589
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the cautionary tale because we said the

590
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 3: same thing almost verbatim about Clemson a year ago. And

591
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: how do they have the killer instinct? They they've been

592
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: killing teams simple that one point victory on the road

593
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 3: at North Carolina destroyed Florida State. Just beat Louisville by

594
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Speaker 3: thirty five. On the remaining schedule, Boston College, Wafford, anc

595
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: and Wake before a more interesting game than you might

596
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: have expected to be honest against South Carolina.

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00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Clemson. The The Clemson roster, though last

598
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: year was filled with dudes who had been through those wars. Look,

599
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: you look up all three levels of the defense. You

600
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: look at some of the offensive lineman Mitch Hyatt. These

601
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: guys that you know are are leaders that are able

602
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 1: to keep a team locked in, and it's just it

603
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: feels like a transition here for Clemson. Doesn't mean they

604
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: can't win the National champions no, exactly, but the feeling

605
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: that the moment we're recording this, there is a different

606
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: feel there is you know, the coaches are trying to

607
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: work in as many players as possible in close, closer games,

608
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, against North Carolina in the first half, or

609
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is going a little bit rogue to see

610
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Speaker 1: what he can get away with throwing into coverage that

611
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Speaker 1: it just it feels like there's a little bit of

612
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Speaker 1: boredom until they can get onto a bigger stage. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, just to clarify the reason I

614
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Speaker 3: say South Carolina is a little bit more interesting than

615
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Speaker 3: I think, it's because they beat Georgia and I didn't

616
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Speaker 3: think South Carolina had that in them. Now.

617
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to beat Clemson.

618
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Speaker 3: The game is at home, but I know let me,

619
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Speaker 3: let me let me ask you this and then we'll

620
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Speaker 3: move on here.

621
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

622
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Speaker 3: Is this the new norm now in college football? Where

623
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Speaker 3: we've been used to talking about Alabama Clemson the last

624
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: couple of seasons, Is it the new norm now that

625
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about Ohio State, LSU, Oklahoma, we

626
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 3: can throw Georgia in the mix as well, in that

627
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Speaker 3: very top tier of college football teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I don't think there's a team

629
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Speaker 1: right now that I see as being a full time

630
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: threat for years moving forward, just because of the level

631
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Speaker 1: of talent, and Georgia is sort of teetering right now,

632
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: at least at the time we're recording this. But I

633
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: would certainly have Ohio State right there. I would certainly

634
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Speaker 1: have LSU right there. And here's the thing about LSU,

635
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll get to LSU later.

636
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

637
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the board, but there's something if you're

638
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: looking long term at the Tigers, you go to Alabama,

639
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, you can be the next to uh great,

640
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 1: they have a five star quarterback, they've got to his

641
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: little brother. You can be the next Dwayne Haskins. Justin

642
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: Field's transfers there, you can be the next Marcus Mariota.

643
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: You can be the next Matt Lioner. You can LSU

644
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: finally has that they have never had that in the

645
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: modern era of some guy who's there multiple years producing

646
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: on a high level. You can be the next Joe

647
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: Burrow is a selling point that LSU has not had

648
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: in the modern era, and that to me feels very dangerous. Okay,

649
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: shall we move on? Sure, you can be the next Kyler,

650
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: you can be the next Maker Mayfield, great Jalen Hurts

651
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: is there? All right? So is it my guess or

652
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: you're okay?

653
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: I guessed D one last time. We'll move off the

654
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: D comn. We'll go to I'll go I'll go A one.

655
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 3: All right, you missed it? Look in, look in.

656
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: What have I already had? I've already had a C.

657
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: I'll go D callum D three D three?

658
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: Huh no, no, no, okay, I am going B three.

659
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

660
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: What do we got? So the take that I'm going

661
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: to send to the bottom of the ocean I had

662
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: and this was I'll qualify it. This was a worst

663
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: case thing for me. Pitt may win as few as

664
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: four games. Hey, we caught hell for this one.

665
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: Well, they just won their fifth We caught hell for

666
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: this one from some fans who actually listened to the show.

667
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: Yeah we did, and I am wrong. I am. I mean,

668
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: the worst case has now been eclipsed. Now. Pitt has

669
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: had a very strange season. They lose late, but with

670
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: a chance to beat Penn State right with a hail

671
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: Mary that in the back of the end zone to

672
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: tie it, they lose light there they demonstrably lose to Virginia.

673
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: They win in very strange fashion to an underwhelming Duke team.

674
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: I think that was on the road, strange game, but

675
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: a decent enough win at Syracuse and the Carrier Dome

676
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: always tough on a Friday night. And their defense has

677
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: been the best thing in the coastal. It's either their

678
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: defense of Virginia's defense, their defense especially doing one specific

679
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: thing well, which is just causing havoc, which is an

680
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: actual status, you know, tackles for loss and sacks and

681
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: force fumble stuff like that. They are riddling teams with

682
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: havoc and the defensive front is so strong, especially on

683
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: the inside. I'm gonna stand by my doubts on the

684
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: offense because I think the offense is still full on bad.

685
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: But if you do something really really well in the

686
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: coastal it goes a long way. And I was also

687
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: down on this defense. It has been an underwhelming defense

688
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: these past few years with you know, a defensive a

689
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: successful defensive coach and Pat nardoozy, and they now look

690
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: like a top twenty five, top thirty defense nationally. And

691
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: again they harm teams. Yeah, that's good enough, and I

692
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 1: didn't see it coming.

693
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: Here's what I find interesting about Pitt other than the

694
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: reasons that you just outlined. Yeah, maybe the most eclectic

695
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: named wide receiver corp and all of college football.

696
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: We got Maurice French leading the way.

697
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, with fifty six catches. That's French with two f's

698
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: at the double yep, Tay, Sir Mack you Mac to

699
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: seer Mac, excuse me, Nikiyah, Griffin Stewart, will grag, Dontavious Butler, Jenkins, Shocky,

700
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: Jacques Louie. Mm hmmm.

701
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: Got some interesting names in there, Yeah, DBJ, SJL NNGS

702
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: and GS is it tight end by the way, good

703
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: team on defense.

704
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: On defense, playing a lot of close games, a lot

705
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: of close times.

706
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a weird back half of their schedule.

707
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: I see a lot of thirty to twenty nine's a

708
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: lot of nineteen eighteen's a lot of you know, the

709
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 1: acc regrets the error kind of games. The back five

710
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: games of their schedule, it's Miami at Georgia Tech should

711
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: be Georgia Tech, even it's on the road. Virginia Tech

712
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: on the road should be tough for them. North Carolina

713
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: feels like a toss up. I also think that they've

714
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: already played three times and Boston College without Anthony Brown,

715
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: so I winning two or three of them seven eight.

716
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: Wins not bad race, seems realistic. All five of those

717
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: games are projected as one score games. Wow, okay, all

718
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: five projected as one score games, and they've already played

719
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 3: in one, two, three, four five. Five of their seven

720
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: games so far been one score games.

721
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that Delaware game, that close call against Delaware,

722
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: I think was with Nick Patty, their backup quarterback playing.

723
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, right, this is pit games are just me

724
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: entertaining all year long, like South Carolina last season, where

725
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: they're just it's going to be competitive one way or

726
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: the other. Might get a Kenny Pickett like three hundred

727
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: yard game. Maybe not, maybe not. Okay, my turn to guess.

728
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: I believe your turn to guess. Yes, right, let's go

729
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: a four, A four not you know what, I'll give

730
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: you another one.

731
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: You're sniffing, though, you're getting rid am I you're oh,

732
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: you're sniffing, you are sniffing.

733
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: Let's I think I did a two N a four.

734
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: So let's do a let down, look ahead, sandwich here

735
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: with a three. There it is. He got it.

736
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 3: You got the LSU one. Oh, you finally got it.

737
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: God bless you finally got it. So you The preseason

738
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: assumption for me was that LSU's offensive upgrade that we

739
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: heard about, right, the shiny new offense that opening things up. Yeah,

740
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: that was opening things up. It was gonna be new

741
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: and revolutionary and different in the Bayou. And yeah, I

742
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: just felt like it was BS. I felt like it

743
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: was BS because how many times before have we heard

744
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: about some sort of LSU offensive change or upgrade or

745
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 3: a new twist or wrinkle that was gonna make it better?

746
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 3: And how many time I'm gonna lose the weight This time, ty,

747
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: I'm really gonna do it. I'm gonna get back together,

748
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna eat better, I'm gonna work out all the time,

749
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get off the couch. This is the year

750
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: my new year's resolution of a wide open offensive life

751
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: plan comes together. Previous attempts at this had left a

752
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: lot to be desired. So the skepticism I don't think

753
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 3: was unwarranted. They've had issues on offense for a long time.

754
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: It's been a thing, it's been a thing, and it's

755
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 3: just the defense has been so good that you you

756
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: can paper over the offense right. Well, Coach O makes

757
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: the decision, gonna make some renovations. Hurt a lot about it.

758
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: Every now and then, Dan, we have pleasant surprises like

759
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: this in college football where we do some grandiose plan works.

760
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: If you told me before the year that we'd be

761
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 3: midway through, Joe Burrow would have twenty nine touchdown passes

762
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 3: instead of school record Joey Dirt, by the way, completing

763
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: eighty percent of his passes seventy nine point four percent.

764
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: Excuse me to be exact, filthy, seventy nine point four

765
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: percent of two hundred and eighteen attempts have been completion

766
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: so far for Joey Dirt.

767
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: That's like two thousand and eight Colt McCoy level.

768
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, his receivers have been money justin Jefferson has caught

769
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: ninety percent of his targets.

770
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't know what the advertise.

771
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what the averages in college football,

772
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 3: but that ain't it?

773
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Okay? Right?

774
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: Five hundred and thirty yards a game. I believe I

775
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: might have saw at least fifty.

776
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: Points a game. I don't know if that's right or not,

777
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: but it could be.

778
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: This has been by any measure, any metric, and incredible success.

779
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: So I hereby sink all of that skepticism to the

780
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: bottom of the sea. Bury it in the Marianas Trench,

781
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: whatever it's called, in the middle of the Atlantic.

782
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: Good call. Just bury it down there.

783
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: And I am happy to progress in this new world

784
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: where LSU has the offense. Their receivers are finally being

785
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: tapped into in a meaningful way, and suddenly we've got

786
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: a new contender that has risen in the SEC West.

787
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: Well, it always seemed like they had the talent to

788
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: do this, and maybe it's not specific for this style

789
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: of offense, like you're not going to take Leonard Fournette

790
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: and turn him into a full on, all purpose back

791
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: and split them out. And you you know, when you

792
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: have a talent like that perhaps you have to run

793
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: a power centric offense. I get that, but you'll always

794
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: have speed. You should always be able to recruit linemen.

795
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: This is an LSU program that consistently, through thick and thin,

796
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: is recruiting top four, six seven classes. Right. Sure, So

797
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: this wasn't an overhaul like Michigan was so entrenched in

798
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: older offensive ways and Michigan has struggled to move the

799
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: ball like LSU has. But just the amount of team

800
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: speed does not feel like it's equal in ann Arbor.

801
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: This was always lurking ty, much like isn't it Godzilla

802
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: sitting under the trenches under japan AfOR all these monsters

803
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 1: are always there. You know that they're there to I guess,

804
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: protect humanity, and I guess the same way Joe Brady

805
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: is here to protect our eyes and give us fun

806
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: football to watch. Yeah, but it wasn't an overhaul. It

807
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: was simply, let's do something that makes a little bit

808
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: more sense. We have it looked what looks to be

809
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: a pretty good quarterback. We saw Joe Burrow show flash

810
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: is last year, make plays. We've recruited well along, you know,

811
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: into the receiving corps. You know, Clyde Edwards Hilaire showed

812
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: flashes last season as well. They look balanced. The big

813
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: thing is it's just LSU committing to it and everybody

814
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: getting on the same page. The bringing in this guy.

815
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: We're overhauling. We're going to ride or die with this

816
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: offensive plan, and so far it's a lot of riding tie.

817
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: So to bring it full circle, it's like LSU realize

818
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: that their family is entirely made up of personal trainers,

819
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: that maybe they should just do the right thing and

820
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: lean on the expertise and speed of everybody in their

821
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: house because it always made sense.

822
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: It will be interesting to see what happens moving forward

823
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: into the future into twenty twenty. Yeah, so Joe Brady

824
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: and Joe Burrow, Yeah, you know, we'll have to see

825
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: if this is sustainable. But at least in this present

826
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 3: iteration with Joe Burrow and a really good receiving corps,

827
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: young receiving corps at that, Yeah, they've been dynamic and yeah,

828
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: there are no two ways about it.

829
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: And they've been healthy too. They've been healthy, arras Marshall

830
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: has missed some time, and I know they've been beat up,

831
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: uh defensively a little bit. But the offense by and

832
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: large has had a pretty good run of health, and

833
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: so I am. I'm encouraged because, as mentioned before, you

834
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: can be the next Joe Burrow, you can be the

835
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: next Justin Jefferson, you can be the next Jamar Chase,

836
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: you can be the next Clyde whatever that they're going

837
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: to be able to recruit, not necessarily better, but more accurately. Yeah, okay,

838
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: so let's bury. Let's bury that take new year, same

839
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: old LSU promises unkept.

840
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: I'm I'm happy to bury that one. All right, my

841
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 3: turn here? Yeah, I will go Where was I B

842
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: three last time? I will guess C one this time?

843
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: That the win you're inching, But no, not quite that

844
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: would have been for the win, all right? You go?

845
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so I did I got the A three

846
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: sandwich last time? Let's go see four because it's explosive.

847
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: Tied three three here, drama on the high seas. I

848
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: guess I'm gonna go see.

849
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: Two? Yes, yo, sonk my battleship. What do we got here? Okay?

850
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: So I was skeptical and this is a team we've

851
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: already mentioned a couple of times. I was skeptical of

852
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: crowning Ohio State before the year, and I think I

853
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: was more on board with the Michigan thing. I may

854
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: even picked Michigan to come out of the Big Ten.

855
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: The fact that in ann Arbor experienced quarterback, you know,

856
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: bringing a lot of guy back on offense. But Ohio

857
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: State in hiring a new coach, in bringing in a

858
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: couple of new defensive coaches, Jeff Haffley as a co coordinator,

859
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: losing Greg Cchiano, bringing in Greg Mattison now Washington from Michigan.

860
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: I was just thinking to myself, it feels like a

861
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: lot of change, especially with throwing a transfer quarterback who's

862
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: going to be immediately eligible, decorated as he was as

863
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: a recruit. That I almost felt like assuming Ohio State

864
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: as another ten to eleven twelve win team with all

865
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: those changes, with a quarterback thrown in without any time

866
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: in the system. It was a lot to ask and

867
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: almost underappreciated how good Dwayne Haskins was last year to

868
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: assume that there can just be another Dwayne Haskins or

869
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: another great quarterback at Ohio State. So I was skeptical

870
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: and I was wrong to me, because right now Ohio

871
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: State looks like they're the best alley oop team that

872
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: the offense is doing their own defense so many favors.

873
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: The defense is doing their own offense a ton of favors.

874
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: We talked about the speed and competence and just laying

875
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: integrity on every play and the experience of the secondary.

876
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: Damon Arnette coming back. We saw how they were affected

877
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: a little bit losing Browning this past week and not

878
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: playing against Northwestern. But they're just all over the place.

879
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: The defense doesn't have to get all that sweaty, and

880
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: that just softens up the other team's defense. And you

881
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: can't say enough good things right now about where Ohio

882
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 1: State is at just because they look like the most

883
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: consistently complete team in the country. The opponents aren't there yet. No,

884
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: they were not tested in a big Power five way

885
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: like they had been against Oklahoma those couple times, or

886
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: even TCU last season at least when we thought tc

887
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: was gonna be pretty good. So I am very curious

888
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: about the back half of their schedule with you know,

889
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: some seriously good defenses. But they've passed every test with

890
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: a plus plus colors justin fields so far. Yeah, seventy

891
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: percent of his passes, seventy point seven percent of his

892
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: passes excuse me, have been completions twenty two touchdown passes

893
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: to just one interception, which is amazing first year as

894
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: a starter. And he's also run for a little over

895
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: seven yards a clip and eight touchdowns. That's a pretty

896
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: big footprint, especially when combined with JK. Dobbins, who's also

897
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: rushing for over seven yards at a clip with seven

898
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: touchdowns of his own, especially when you look at some

899
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: of these wide receivers who are doing their part to

900
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: catch most of their targets. Yeah, no standout, There no

901
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: standard way that they've had these past couple years. No

902
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: above and beyond number one option and you know.

903
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 3: But very consistent, but very consistent. And part of that

904
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: is obviously due to what Justin Fields is able to

905
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: do and his accuracy throwing the football. But it's just

906
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: a really consistent effort across the board. To your point,

907
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 3: it's not just the offense, it's not just the defense.

908
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: It is both of them working in tandem, which I

909
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: think has been so impressive to me.

910
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: If they are the most complete team in the country,

911
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: how would you game plan? What does a win over

912
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State look like? If it is a team that

913
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: is not Alabama or Clemson or Oklahoma that you know

914
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: the team's remaining on their schedule, which I'm sure you

915
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 1: have in front of you, because this is an item

916
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: of yours. Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan are the big ones. Yeah,

917
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: what is that recipe? What is the guideline to beating

918
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: a team this complete?

919
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: Well, you've certainly got to have a power defense, and

920
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: there are three of them here. There are three of

921
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: them in Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan. You got to

922
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: do something to disrupt that timing that Justin Fields has

923
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 3: right now, mm hmm. You've got to have enough speed

924
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: as a defense that you can contend with his legs,

925
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: and I think all three have that as well. So

926
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: I think it starts up front. You've got to do

927
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: something to create this disruption, and you also have to

928
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 3: be very thrifty with the football. I don't think Jack

929
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 3: Cone is that quarterback. Shaye Patterson probably isn't that quarterback,

930
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 3: And to be honest, I don't know if Sean Clifford

931
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: is either. I don't know how much I trust any

932
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: of them to not make mistakes against a really good,

933
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: really fast defense. Can you run the football effectively against

934
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: Ohio State Michigan hasn't been great running the football. Now,

935
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 3: Wisconsin is pretty good in most cases. Penn State still

936
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: a work in progress. We don't know what kind of

937
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: voodoo they're working on. So I have questions about all

938
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: three of those opponents. I think you got to create

939
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: some disruption though on defense, otherwise you have no chance.

940
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: I think the answer is Wisconsin, and this is this week,

941
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: so we'll preview it. It's slowing the game down. It's

942
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: getting to third and two and getting every single one

943
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: of those third and two's. It's wearing down defenses, getting

944
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: them frustrated, keeping the offense off the field, and making

945
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: honestly making justin field see ghosts. My favorite phrase from

946
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: last season. It's having a defense that can show one

947
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: thing and then drop into another. And not that Wisconsin

948
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: necessarily plays the most convoluted, complicated defense. I think Jim

949
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: Leonard's done an incredible job. And you see the teams

950
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: that they're able to shut out, which to me, even

951
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: though they're not all great teams, they shut out Michigan State.

952
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: That's not insignificant. And there's so much focus and there's

953
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: so much tenacity to this Wisconsin defense. Even with the

954
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: Illinois loss in the way that they lost, I still

955
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: think the high end of Wisconsin is probably the most

956
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: likely upset candidate because of the way that they can

957
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: limit possessions potentially, and if they can get those third

958
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: and shorts, No, that's dangered. And like we saw what

959
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: Army did against Oklahoma last season, where all of a

960
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: sudden you have seven possessions to win instead of your

961
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: normal fourteen. That to me is the interesting way to

962
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: beat Ohio State. And it's a hard it's an impossible tightrope,

963
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: but that's the tightrope.

964
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 3: I think we're both in agreement that based on their

965
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: blue chip ratio, their number of just really highly regarded

966
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 3: recruits that have come through Columbus, combined with the fact

967
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: that the new coach isn't going anywhere and Justin Fields

968
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,479
Speaker 3: has got at least another year, I think we feel

969
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 3: pretty good about Ohio State and the health of this

970
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: program in the foreseeable future.

971
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

972
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely, All right, Dan, So, I guess technically I've won.

973
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: But there's one more here, all right, one more for you.

974
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 3: We're completests. Yes, I did see.

975
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: Four last time for explosives B four because it's a word. Now,

976
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 1: this is just getting embarrassing. This is garbage time.

977
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 3: Just start plowing through all the rows, now, okay, D

978
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: four D four.

979
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: Here we go close to d fod. Here we go

980
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: going out on a high note. Here across the finish line.

981
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: Everybody's given me sympathy, applause. I am burying to the

982
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: bottom of the ocean my long standing relationship with TCU. Oh,

983
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: don't do it. I am burying it. Dan, I'm out.

984
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: It's a setback, Tie, it's a setback.

985
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 3: I went pretty close to the line of saying that

986
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: TCU is back. Of course, we all remember their legendary

987
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: cheese at Bowl victory over Cal.

988
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

989
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 3: We knew the stat going into this year that TCU

990
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: usually follows up seasons like last year with something like

991
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 3: ten or eleven wins.

992
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: Right, they get their act together, they.

993
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: Get it together, and especially this year with seven starters

994
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: back on offense. Plus, they were really banged up last

995
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: year to the point where they didn't even have a

996
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 3: spring game this year.

997
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: Because average out things, you know, health would have suddenly

998
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: progress to a reasonable level.

999
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 3: So there was a lot to be excited about there.

1000
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 3: Plus in terms of yardage allowed on a per game basis,

1001
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: and per play basis. Last year, TCU was the best

1002
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: in the Big twelve conference, so there were signs there.

1003
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they finished with the top twenty five to thirty

1004
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: defense something like that.

1005
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: They have three freaks on Bruce Felman's annual Freak list,

1006
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: like there was there was a lot to be excited

1007
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 3: about this year.

1008
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, their frea quotient was quite high.

1009
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: Well, Daniel three and three at the moment. Yeah, the

1010
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 3: defense has given up a ton of big plays.

1011
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: On offense. They cannot throw. We saw that skillet matchup, Tye.

1012
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: We all saw it. We all saw it.

1013
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 3: You might say, well, they don't They don't throw because

1014
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: they've got really good running backs and it's not an

1015
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 3: offense based on the pass. And sure, maybe maybe I

1016
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: agree to an extent, but when they have to throw,

1017
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 3: they really stink.

1018
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: They're just not good at it.

1019
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 3: No, they've got five losable games left against Texas, Oklahoma State, Baylor,

1020
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 3: Texas Tech, and Oklahoma. I could see any one of

1021
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: those being a loss.

1022
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 4: I'm not saying they're going to lose all of them,

1023
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 4: but eight losses. Eight losses is very much a at least outside.

1024
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: Chance at this point for TCU. That's that's the depths

1025
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: to which we have unfortunately now progressed.

1026
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't wait fun quarterback. You just this is

1027
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: the most obvious statement that perhaps we'll ever make. But

1028
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,479
Speaker 1: they've had what one and a half good quarterbacks since Yeah,

1029
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, you had a really high level Trevon Boykin,

1030
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: and I think a definitely good Kenny Trill. But they

1031
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean the Sewn Robinson thing, Justin Rodgers and his injury.

1032
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: They've recruited it seems well, but it's just you can't whiff.

1033
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: And I know they're starting a true freshman. I know

1034
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: that they are going to be issues, but they still

1035
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: have two really good running backs Darius Anderson and Shawo

1036
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: alone Shawoh Alona Lua got it, I got it, you

1037
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: got it. And this is not a tough big twelve year.

1038
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: This is not loaded for bear with like, oh this

1039
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and over four thousand yards this quarterbacks and throw

1040
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: four thousand yards. Well, Greer's gone, Alan Bowman's hurt at

1041
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. Sam Ellinger is still good, Jalen Hurts is

1042
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: really good. Brock Purty dropped fifty on them, but the

1043
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: rest of their schedule Spencer Sanders, Charlie Brew is good.

1044
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: Austin Kendall, Like, this is a schedule that should not

1045
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: have been a navigation issue. Losing to Kansas State year

1046
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: one of Chris Clemon, Skyler Thompson. It shouldn't be happening

1047
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: with the with how complete in terms of talent they

1048
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: look at times, but at times is not. The problem

1049
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: is also they're devolving into a pseudo half team. Tie.

1050
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: Exactly are they? Exactly? Is I just thought of something

1051
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: so mean, but I have to get out of my system.

1052
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: Tie are they fort Western? I'm a bad person. I

1053
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: regret it, but I had to. I had to expunge

1054
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: it from my brain.

1055
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 3: All I know is I look at what this team

1056
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: has done, and I hate to focus too much on

1057
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 3: the passing game. I look at what this team has done,

1058
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 3: and I see that Max Duggan has nine touchdowns to

1059
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: zero interceptions, Alex Delton only one interception on the year.

1060
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: Maybe the ter quarterback run of the season Max Douck.

1061
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: Their quarterbacks have a nine to one ratio. Why does

1062
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: it feel like they're not getting enough out of that

1063
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 3: passing game? And I know they're focused a lot on

1064
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 3: Darius Anderson and what's his name? Shawoh on Alulu Alua. Yeah,

1065
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: I got it, sort of. I know they're focused on that,

1066
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 3: but it does feel like they're almost evolved into a

1067
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 3: bit of a half offense as well, and sure, that's

1068
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 3: just no way to go about winning games. TCU for

1069
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: a long time was sort of like my favorite Big

1070
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 3: twelve team. They've let me down so much now that

1071
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: I don't know how I feel about them moving forward,

1072
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 3: and I'm very disgruntled.

1073
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, ty, but I'm glad we got to talk

1074
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: it out. Bury that love to the bottom of the sea,

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Speaker 1: and it's time to move on. We have we have

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Speaker 1: abandoned all Central Time Zone purple teams. Yes, we have

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00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: a certain ETCU and Kansas State's got Actually they're a

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Speaker 1: good story, all right. There we go down.

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Speaker 2: Battleship, great game, Barnez.

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Speaker 3: Battleship now officially in the books here on the twos cruise.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the Battleship movie?

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Speaker 3: No?

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00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: I didn't. I did not either. I looked up the

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00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 1: Wikipedia plot and that was enough. Yeah.

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00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: No, not not not, definitely an appointment movie.

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00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: Types of spent two hundred and twenty million and domestically

1087
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: made fifty six. That is not good. I think it

1088
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: made up some money internationally, tie, but it was like

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00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: five people from Friday Night Lights, Brooklyn Decker, Rihanna, a

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00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: guy from True Blood, and the movie involved aliens and

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00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: force fields, proposals being dishonorably discharged, and war games. So okay,

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00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: yeah that was battleship apparently, well.

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Speaker 3: This was our NAZ battleship. Yeah, way better. Thank you

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Speaker 3: to each and all for downloading the show. I am

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01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: your captain, Ty hilden Brand. He is Lieutenant Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 3: We will be back on Thursday to preview all of

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Speaker 3: your week nine action. In the meantime, Daniel, enjoy the

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Speaker 3: next couple days. I'll talk to you soon, okay, I

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Speaker 3: hope so fair sees may tees. I'm Ty, He's Dan.

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Speaker 3: Catch you all on Thursday morning and meant stance up

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Speaker 3: peace