WEBVTT - Jaguars Happy Hour | Austen Lane Talks Jaguars' Draft Potential 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:09.800 It is Thursday, April seventeenth. This is Jackuars Happy Hour. 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.160 Jaguars Happy Hour is brought to you by Dream Finders' 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:20.000 Homes and now in the spirit of fairness, cause Austin 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:20.919 is here tonight. 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:29.479 He's going into the octagon next week. Brian's Sexton, Hello, 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.479 and welcome to Jaguars Happy Hour. Brian Sexton in for 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.360 JP Shadrick and what we have a full cast in 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:35.920 here tonight. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:36.720 You know. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.360 Jeff Logaman, Hello, Jeff, how are you? 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:40.040 I'm doing great? 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:41.560 Nice to see you. That nice to be seen. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.440 When they said do you want to do Happy Hour? 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.120 I said, is Jeff going to be there? They said yes. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.479 I said, I'll do it. Cool, glad that you're here. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.040 And then they said Austin Lane was going to come 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.400 see it in and I said, even better, Austin, how 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:51.680 are you. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.160 I'm doing a fantastic I've stem in here because there's 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.040 a custody battle between Brent Martineau and you guys right now, 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.240 so it's kind of going back and forth. And now 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.600 two Christmas is for me, if you will, but I've 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:02.160 got to be here. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.160 Well, we're glad that you're willing to split some time with. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.560 Us absolutely well, and by the way, we got at 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:08.000 least we got the right side of the ball. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.279 Oh yeah, I mean defensive guys. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:11.600 I mean, you know, defensive ends. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:12.800 It just goes to show you. 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:14.840 So we're gonna lean heavily on the defense tonight. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.000 The intelligence factor went away. 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.320 Listen, we knew that a little atayring the attitude. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.400 I'll bring the attitude, you're bringing the intellect. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.600 I'll try here we go, right, So tonight we'll talk 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.959 about one week to draft night. We'll talk about the 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.160 principle of value versus need, right, and we'll talk a 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:33.600 little bit about players or picks. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.639 And I want to hear a past story about draft 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.160 night from Austin Lane. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.959 Really yeah, I mean, look, we had essential Wisconsin. Oh, 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:42.759 I have one for. 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:46.000 You right now, you got one, Yeah, might as well 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:46.280 do it. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.920 Draft story. Yeah, so obviously, So did you get invited 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:51.400 to the draft? 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:51.600 First? 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:52.760 Get invited in the draft? 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.680 Neither? Coming out of Murray State, you know, a fifth 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:56.520 round pick, I wasn't going to go to. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.720 I guess at the time where it would have been? 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.920 New York City? Yeah, was always there. Yeah. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.720 So it was weird because coming from a small school, 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.080 they said anywhere from the second round to the seventh round. Now, 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.360 this is my agent being a good agent, I think right, Like, 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:09.720 I think he had a more feeling of a late 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.720 round pick. But I'm like, all right, second round, you 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.359 never know. So we're there the first night, I'm back 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.800 home Wisconsin. I owe the Scandinavia tound of thirteen hundred people. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.960 Name doesn't get called. All right, gonna have the party 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.320 the next day as well. So we're at my mom's house. 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.880 She made brisket right about twenty friends were over there. 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.600 And how she cook it, by the way, in the oven. 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.200 I really, she's not saying, this is Wisconsin, man, I'm 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:34.280 just gonna put in the oven again. 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:35.040 Call a day. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.079 And obviously there's some basic beverages being passed around as well. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.239 I was being good lining Googles live. There's some line 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.000 and Googles and some point some point point. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.480 Point points of beer. By the way, point people don't 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:47.720 know that that's actually a beer. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:48.120 Well we know. 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.480 Just to interrupt your story, because the Jaguars did training 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.560 camp in Stephen's Point, Wisconsin in December of nineteen ninety five. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:54.760 And that was the one, by the way, that's where 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:55.559 I learned. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.799 And lineing googles were the deal at the penalty box 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:58.840 right across that. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.600 Yeah, yeah, were you there too? You probably weren't the 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:09.079 penalty box, right, I found many places in and he 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:09.560 walk in. 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:10.640 Oh, were you a coach? 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:12.360 You know that's that. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.400 I never even by the way, I never even knew 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.840 what point beer encouraged was. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.160 But that's like a big deal in It's a staple. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.320 So here we are in Wisconsin for training camp, supposed 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.040 to have cool weather. Cow's are dying in the. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.280 Field, chickens in the shed, warm summery. Everyone. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:30.639 I'm drinking point beer and eat. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:30.919 Kirk. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.040 You decided to leave New York for Jacksonville, you end 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:35.760 up in Wisconsin. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:36.600 I don't know how that was. 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:38.440 We go back to your story. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.320 Yeah, So anyway, so it's the fifth round and I'm like, okay, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.440 I got a pretty good feeling here. The Raiders were 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.120 on the clock, and I'm like, I didn't really hear 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.200 much of Oakland at the time, but I'm thinking this 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.440 might be the one. And I get a phone call. 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.240 It's a nine o four number, and I answered the phone. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.800 I'm like, okay, this is it, right? 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.080 So I answered the phone and at the time I 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.040 didn't know who it was, but it was coach Malarkey, 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.280 remember Mike Malarkey. It was his son who's in the 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.040 skyting department. Okay, doesn't introduce himself. He just goes, hey, 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:09.800 Austin and he get hunting in Wisconsin and I'm like, yeah. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.080 Yeah, how he remembers the exactly. Oh I remember the exactly. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.680 I'm like, yeah, I mean I guess. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.040 So he's like, you're hunting a lot ago when I 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.000 was in like second grade. I haven't been hunting in forever. 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:20.920 Can I ask who's calling? But he's like, I'm trying 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.160 to watch the draft and to the point, yeah, exactly. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.919 Sonny goes, you've been fishing in Wisconsin and I'm like 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.120 watching the TV and the Raiders are so I'm like, well, 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:30.120 it's a nine to four number. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:30.919 It ain't Oakland. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.320 I'm like, who is This must be like prank caller, right, 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.360 trying to get back at me. So I'm like, man, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:36.400 I haven't been fishing in. 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.200 Like twelve years. Why are you asking? 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:39.919 And then all of a sudden, I see there's a 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.200 trade goes in and then it's Jacksonville's now on the board. 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.160 And then I'm like Okay, I see what's going on here. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.080 And then finally he goes, do. 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.400 You want to be a Jacksonville Jaguar? And I go, yes, sir, absolutely. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.200 But then after that, so you know, the town goes 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.200 crazy town of thirteen hundred. They had fire trucks driving 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.599 up and down my mom's street because, like, you know, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:04.600 Derek's the whole town. And the funny part about it 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.240 is that my friends played in a beer league baseball game. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.880 What's a beer league baseball? So basically think of like 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.599 drink beer baseball. So think of like a bunch of 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.520 washed up athletes who never made it to the pros 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.520 and never made to minor leagues that are still trying 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:17.600 to relive those glories. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.280 This is baseball, baseball, This. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.000 Is baseball, so like fast yeah, So I went to 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.320 go support them after I got drafted. Well, all the 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.159 TV crews were in town, like where's Austin, Where's Austin, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:28.719 where's Austin. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:30.960 My mom was like, he went to his friend's beer 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:32.839 league drinking beer. Yeah, So I. 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.480 Ended up getting interviewed at the beer league baseball game. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.880 They're wondering what am I doing there support my friends? 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.280 And then the plan was to go to Appleton, Wisconsin. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.160 You guys have been Appleton's where that where you're staying, right, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.120 So the place to drink in Wisconsin is Appleton. 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.720 And by the way, for for everybody that did know, 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.599 the Appleton, Wisconsin has some of the best two beat Yes, 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:56.440 the yeah which I tubed down the Little Wolf River? 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.960 Yes, yeah, yeah, years ago, Little Wolf River. Yeah. Anyway, 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:04.200 you are full in Wisconsin. I appreciate it. I don't know. Anyway, 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.080 So you had him at hunting and Fishing, yeah, yeah. 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.320 So well we're getting ready to go to Appleton to 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.119 celebrate obviously, throw a couple back, and all of a sudden, 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.760 my mom calls and she goes, hey, the local bowling 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.800 alley bought you a keg of beer, and supposedly two 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.680 other like people bought you two other kegs of beer. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.600 Do you do you want to go to the bowling alley. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.039 I'm like, in Wisconsin, if someone buys you a keg 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.120 of beer, it's like them giving you like a like 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:27.360 a kidney, you know what I'm saying. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.800 It's like it thought of a sacrifice. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.919 So instead of going to Appleton, Wisconsin to celebrate, drink 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:34.960 at the you know, the local bowling alley. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:35.520 And we had fun there. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.560 You stay true to your roots, staying true to my roots, 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.280 Austin authentic that you better believe. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.440 Three cakes, three cats. How long did that last? We started? 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.520 I think at nine o'clock and I think we tapped 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:47.559 him out by eleven thirty. 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.360 Yes, yeah, that sounds about Yeah. 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:50.960 A lot of people there, and it's the first time 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.680 I ever drink with my like, my mom was there too, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.920 and it's cool. It's like a high school reunion, right, 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.640 so all your family and friends are there and everything. 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.599 And that was the first and only time that me 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.200 and my mom kind of like party to get there 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.640 a little bit. And that's the last time for a reason. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:04.880 I'm just gonna say that much. If you ever watched 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.800 Seinfeld and how like, remember Elaine Bennis was dancing that. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.120 That was my mom embarrassing me. That's what she does though, 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:12.280 so was. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:13.800 Doing mom cut off from the bruise. 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:14.680 My mom. 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:15.880 Mom was cut off from the bruise. 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.800 And of course my friends were encouraged you to keep dancing, 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.720 Juli doing a great job. And I'm just like, now 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.480 get me at a Jacksonville please, and here you are 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.920 and here I and you're back and you were fighting, 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:26.800 and you were on the air with Brent Martineau. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:28.960 I have a good friend. Yeah, that's where the Elaine 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:30.760 Bennis reference, I'm sure comes in a lot of handy. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.240 Without a doubt, you're a pop culture icon. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.000 I try to be a week out from the draft, right, 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.440 first round, fifth round. What's that like from a player's perspective. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.280 I mean, you the Haysen, the barn, so to speak, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:42.960 and there's not much more you can do. The visits 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:43.400 have stopped. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.400 I think everybody's different, but I think there's a lot 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.520 of anxiety for players. And I think the one thing 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.880 too that the player really is concerned about is making 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.840 sure that their health and well being stays intact, uh 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.200 for the for the next week, right because of anything happens, 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:06.280 anything from you know, look falling down a step or 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.480 you know, being stupid and having too many beers and 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.720 then you know, something bad happens. I mean, you're you're 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.040 you're highly aware that this is a critical moment, and 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.520 so you're trying to be on your best behavior. You're 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.240 trying to do all the right things. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:21.640 Are you're working out or you're worried about pulling a 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:22.600 hamstring and miss. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.520 Well, you're still working out, but I mean, but you're 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.400 not killing it. You're just working out, I think more 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.960 just to take your mind off of what's going to 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.960 be coming up, more than anything. And uh. And there's 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:34.640 a lot of phone calls that happen in the in 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.520 the week leading up to it, because you're going to 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.680 have teams constantly checking on you to make sure that 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.200 you haven't been hit by a train, a truck or whatever. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.520 And uh. And then you also have a lot of 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.640 calls from friends and family. And that's okay, you know, 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:51.400 because I mean, they're just showing that they love you 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.120 and that's your support system and and so that part 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:55.760 of it is all good. But yeah, there's a lot 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.640 of anxiety. And I think the one thing too that 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:03.640 I remember doing prior to the draft was you're you're 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.679 trying to read and this was obviously pre phone internet 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.360 era when I was drafted. You're trying to find out 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:10.400 any information that. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.240 You can just about to ask. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.000 Totally different nowadays than for Austin. It was different from me. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.679 It was very different because you know, there was no internet, but. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.560 Did you ever read? I mean, and I would imagine 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.880 being taken in the earlier rounds, it was a little 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.560 bit more narrow as opposed to the fifth round. Yes, 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:28.880 you got an idea that the Jets were. 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.080 No, well they can't. They actually worked me out. But 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:33.680 I was like at this time, you know, I heard 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.680 that I could be drafted from maybe late first to 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.480 second third, you know, so you know my window was 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.720 was kind of in that range. And and uh. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.640 When did you know teams were you I had an 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.959 idea and it's kind of wild how and this was 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.600 more agent driven, Like Austin was talking about where some 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.240 some of his information came from. 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.160 Most of my information, that's where it came from because he. 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:58.199 Was on the phone. 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:02.480 Remember no Internet, no cell phones. Okay, the only thing 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.280 we had was newspapers. So your agent really was the 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.960 guy that had the information. And so the information that 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:13.439 he had. And my agent was Brad Blank out of Boston, Massachusetts, 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.840 and great guy had in my whole career, and I 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.120 think he still does a little bit of stuff. But 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:24.800 he had heard Pittsburgh was a possibility. Uh, San Francisco 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.920 definitely late in the first round, which you know the 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.040 I think San Francisco en up drafting the linebacker Keith 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.520 the long out of Tennessee, which I could have been 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.040 that guy. But yeah, I mean there was a couple possibilities, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.760 but the Jets were on the radar, but we didn't 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:42.839 know that it would be at the fourteenth overall pick. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.000 So so much of the mono draft, all of the 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.880 mono draft really is about the first round. Occasionally guys'll 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.160 stray into the second a little bit, but it gets harder. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.720 How about you sitting there on the day three in 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.040 the fifth round? Did you have an idea the Jaguars 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.880 were interested in you? When you're sitting there deeper into 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.720 the draft, do you know or is it just completely 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:02.680 waiting and guessing. 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.720 So I had a little bit of an idea. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:06.640 But if you're gonna tell me to name like the 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.120 top twenty teams that I thought would be interested, Jacksonville 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.840 might have been like thirtieth because I had an in 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.360 person interview with them at the combine. And I'm not 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.040 sure if you've done this before, Jeff, but like when 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.280 you do these interviews with the whole organization, you're at 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.359 the roundtable and it's almost like you're like getting intarrogated 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.600 by the CIA, right, because there's like a bright light 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.280 in your face and there's just darkness behind you, so 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:29.679 like I'm trying to see, like I can't that. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.840 Okay, that's Jacktory over there. I know him and I'll 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:32.800 talk and I see him over there. 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.880 But like, it was a very intimidating experience. And it 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.760 was the first interview that I had at my combine, and. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.280 I bombed it. It was it was the worst ever, 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:42.880 you know. I mean, I wasn't myself. 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:44.800 I was nervous because here you have a kid from 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.600 Murray State who obviously the deck is already stacked against me. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.720 I didn't play against a good competition, so I have 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:52.640 to purvey the fact of hey, not only can I 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.880 play against the competition at the next level, but I'm 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.199 also like a good team guy. Right, So I went 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.440 above and beyond to try to purvey that. And I 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.000 just I was myself, and I was nervous, and even 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.160 I remember Jack Thery after the interview goes, is this 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.080 your first one? Yes, sir, he goes, I can tell. 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.199 So I'm like, I'm probably not going to go to Jacksonville. 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.319 But then lo and behold they call me. And I'm 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.320 not sure how you felt about this, Jeff, but the 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.480 most stressful part about the experience for me was like, yeah, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.440 anywhere from the second, whatever, third, fifth, maybe free agent, 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.160 I didn't know. But the most stressful part for me 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:28.880 was We're talking thirty different cities that could possibly live in, right, 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.280 and that people kind of feel that to, you know, 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.080 realize sometimes it's like, well, I can go to Cleveland, 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:35.840 I can go to Hell at the time when it 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:37.520 was Oakland, but I can go to la Now I 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.839 can go to New York. Like that always kind of 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.880 stressed me out more than anything, because, well, I'm about 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.600 to drop what I'm doing in Wisconsin and go make 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.360 a new life myself in a new city and they 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:47.959 play Jacksonville was a cool city. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.320 Yeah, I kind of had some of the same thoughts. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:54.520 And you know, when when you think about mock drafts, 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.680 I mean, and everybody has a mock draft nowadays, I mean, heck, 0:12:58.480 --> 0:12:59.800 Martin's probably got four of them. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:01.800 Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.880 So the only mock draft I think that was happening 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.560 in that time was Mel Kuiper. It was the big one, 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.800 I mean, and really that was the Mogs bomb did 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.199 one with Pro Football Weekly so too. So basically there 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.040 was like two mock drafts that were put out at 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.680 that time, and I don't even think I ever even 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.360 paid attention to it, and and when I look back 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.360 on it, you know, when I was drafted by the Jets, 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.559 it kind of made sense because I had multiple workouts 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:29.560 with different layers of people from that organization and it 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:30.559 made perfect sense. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.920 But for you and I, the mock draft, the mock 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.840 draft of record, besides mel Kuiper, which was, by the way, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.960 there was no internet, so it really wasn't as big 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.200 of a thing as the USA today, which was you know, 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.720 back printed newspaper. On the day before the draft, they 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.720 would do a big mock draft, and Rick Goslin from 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.800 the Dallas Morning News was a big part of putting 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:57.080 that thing on. The game has changed so dramatically. There's 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:58.800 almost too much information. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.880 There's a of information and along the lines of what 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.040 you were talking about, Austin about Okay, I'm getting ready 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.360 to be transported to a new city and I have 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.959 no idea where, yeah, which I remember thinking, and you know, 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:11.640 I have friends that were asked me, you know, where 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.240 would you like to go? And I'm like, you know what, man, 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.720 I'm kind of a small town guy, just. 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:16.800 Just don't send me to a big city. 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.720 Yeah, those are the biggest in existance. 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:25.600 Here I go. They booed you if I recall you're 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:27.240 welcome for Yeah exactly. 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.240 Wasn't in New York that. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.640 They replay that every year for the draft, you know, 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.480 so I got a I get a yearly reminder on that. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.680 So well, they haven't forgotten your name, now, have they. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:37.400 I mean, you were afraid of the big city. But 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:38.880 was there because I mean I can name one. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.840 Was there one team, a couple of teams that you 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:42.640 did like when you saw their name on the clock, 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.400 You're like, please just skip me, skip by me, because 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:47.000 I'll be honest. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:48.480 When Cleveland was on. 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.600 The clock for me, I was like, that's the place 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.480 where the river went on fire a couple of years ago. 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:54.000 I heard. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:54.240 Yeah. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.840 I never had that feeling because, you know, being the 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.160 fourteenth pick, I never really got to the point where, okay, 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:01.640 this is my. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.280 Range, you know what I mean. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.040 When when it got to fourteen and and I was selected, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.680 you know, and mel Kiper was right to some extent 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:11.880 and that maybe the Jets could have traded down and 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:13.880 gotten me maybe a little bit later. So I wasn't 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.760 expecting to go that high. I don't know, I just 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.080 kind of had, I don't know, maybe a different mindset 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.600 at that point, and I said, you know what, I'm 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.600 going to lower my expectations. Even though people are telling 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:26.920 me that I could go in the middle of the 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.000 first round, and my expectation, like, you know, that's not 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.680 going to happen. I'm going to be picked probably maybe 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.240 late in the first round, and then definitely probably in 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.960 the second round. So my expectations weren't for that point. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.200 So I never was when each team was on the 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.080 clock on no, please don't pick me, Please don't pick me, 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.800 because I'll never forget this. This is the God's honest truth. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.680 Because I went the night before the draft. I remember 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.240 looking at the financials of the year before of where 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.120 the draft picks were at and what they got paid. 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:59.320 So that also, and it's you'll you'll agree with this, Okay, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.400 You're also in your mind, you're also thinking about if 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.080 I get picked in the first round, or if I 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.800 get picked the fortieth pick or the fiftieth pick, or 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.880 in your case, the fourth round or the fifth round, 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.680 what's the money, like you know, because I mean the 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:15.480 reality is, I mean, you're a young man getting ready 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.160 to start aunt of money and you're getting paid. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.480 Yeah. You want to know what I wasn't yet, Yeah, 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:22.440 I wasn't a thing. 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.280 Yeah, And you're thinking in New York, I have to 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:25.960 pay a city sack. 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.480 I got to pay a lot of city tax, the 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.160 federal income tax money here, yeah. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.760