Speaker 1: It is Thursday, April seventeenth. This is Jackuars Happy Hour.
Speaker 2: Jaguars Happy Hour is brought to you by Dream Finders'
Speaker 2: Homes and now in the spirit of fairness, cause Austin
Speaker 2: is here tonight.
Speaker 3: He's going into the octagon next week. Brian's Sexton, Hello,
Speaker 3: and welcome to Jaguars Happy Hour. Brian Sexton in for
Speaker 3: JP Shadrick and what we have a full cast in
Speaker 3: here tonight.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Jeff Logaman, Hello, Jeff, how are you?
Speaker 4: I'm doing great?
Speaker 1: Nice to see you. That nice to be seen.
Speaker 3: When they said do you want to do Happy Hour?
Speaker 3: I said, is Jeff going to be there? They said yes.
Speaker 3: I said, I'll do it. Cool, glad that you're here.
Speaker 3: And then they said Austin Lane was going to come
Speaker 3: see it in and I said, even better, Austin, how
Speaker 3: are you.
Speaker 2: I'm doing a fantastic I've stem in here because there's
Speaker 2: a custody battle between Brent Martineau and you guys right now,
Speaker 2: so it's kind of going back and forth. And now
Speaker 2: two Christmas is for me, if you will, but I've
Speaker 2: got to be here.
Speaker 3: Well, we're glad that you're willing to split some time with.
Speaker 4: Us absolutely well, and by the way, we got at
Speaker 4: least we got the right side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean defensive guys.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, defensive ends.
Speaker 1: It just goes to show you.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna lean heavily on the defense tonight.
Speaker 4: The intelligence factor went away.
Speaker 3: Listen, we knew that a little atayring the attitude.
Speaker 1: I'll bring the attitude, you're bringing the intellect.
Speaker 3: I'll try here we go, right, So tonight we'll talk
Speaker 3: about one week to draft night. We'll talk about the
Speaker 3: principle of value versus need, right, and we'll talk a
Speaker 3: little bit about players or picks.
Speaker 4: And I want to hear a past story about draft
Speaker 4: night from Austin Lane.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I mean, look, we had essential Wisconsin. Oh,
Speaker 1: I have one for.
Speaker 3: You right now, you got one, Yeah, might as well
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: Draft story. Yeah, so obviously, So did you get invited
Speaker 1: to the draft?
Speaker 2: First?
Speaker 1: Get invited in the draft?
Speaker 2: Neither? Coming out of Murray State, you know, a fifth
Speaker 2: round pick, I wasn't going to go to.
Speaker 1: I guess at the time where it would have been?
Speaker 1: New York City? Yeah, was always there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it was weird because coming from a small school,
Speaker 2: they said anywhere from the second round to the seventh round. Now,
Speaker 2: this is my agent being a good agent, I think right, Like,
Speaker 2: I think he had a more feeling of a late
Speaker 2: round pick. But I'm like, all right, second round, you
Speaker 2: never know. So we're there the first night, I'm back
Speaker 2: home Wisconsin. I owe the Scandinavia tound of thirteen hundred people.
Speaker 2: Name doesn't get called. All right, gonna have the party
Speaker 2: the next day as well. So we're at my mom's house.
Speaker 2: She made brisket right about twenty friends were over there.
Speaker 4: And how she cook it, by the way, in the oven.
Speaker 2: I really, she's not saying, this is Wisconsin, man, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna put in the oven again.
Speaker 1: Call a day.
Speaker 2: And obviously there's some basic beverages being passed around as well.
Speaker 1: I was being good lining Googles live. There's some line
Speaker 1: and Googles and some point some point point.
Speaker 4: Point points of beer. By the way, point people don't
Speaker 4: know that that's actually a beer.
Speaker 1: Well we know.
Speaker 3: Just to interrupt your story, because the Jaguars did training
Speaker 3: camp in Stephen's Point, Wisconsin in December of nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1: And that was the one, by the way, that's where
Speaker 1: I learned.
Speaker 3: And lineing googles were the deal at the penalty box
Speaker 3: right across that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, were you there too? You probably weren't the
Speaker 1: penalty box, right, I found many places in and he
Speaker 1: walk in.
Speaker 3: Oh, were you a coach?
Speaker 1: You know that's that.
Speaker 4: I never even by the way, I never even knew
Speaker 4: what point beer encouraged was.
Speaker 1: But that's like a big deal in It's a staple.
Speaker 4: So here we are in Wisconsin for training camp, supposed
Speaker 4: to have cool weather. Cow's are dying in the.
Speaker 1: Field, chickens in the shed, warm summery. Everyone.
Speaker 4: I'm drinking point beer and eat.
Speaker 1: Kirk.
Speaker 3: You decided to leave New York for Jacksonville, you end
Speaker 3: up in Wisconsin.
Speaker 4: I don't know how that was.
Speaker 3: We go back to your story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, so it's the fifth round and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I got a pretty good feeling here. The Raiders were
Speaker 2: on the clock, and I'm like, I didn't really hear
Speaker 2: much of Oakland at the time, but I'm thinking this
Speaker 2: might be the one. And I get a phone call.
Speaker 2: It's a nine o four number, and I answered the phone.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, this is it, right?
Speaker 2: So I answered the phone and at the time I
Speaker 2: didn't know who it was, but it was coach Malarkey,
Speaker 2: remember Mike Malarkey. It was his son who's in the
Speaker 2: skyting department. Okay, doesn't introduce himself. He just goes, hey,
Speaker 2: Austin and he get hunting in Wisconsin and I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how he remembers the exactly. Oh I remember the exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I mean I guess.
Speaker 2: So he's like, you're hunting a lot ago when I
Speaker 2: was in like second grade. I haven't been hunting in forever.
Speaker 2: Can I ask who's calling? But he's like, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to watch the draft and to the point, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Sonny goes, you've been fishing in Wisconsin and I'm like
Speaker 2: watching the TV and the Raiders are so I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: it's a nine to four number.
Speaker 1: It ain't Oakland.
Speaker 2: I'm like, who is This must be like prank caller, right,
Speaker 2: trying to get back at me. So I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I haven't been fishing in.
Speaker 1: Like twelve years. Why are you asking?
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I see there's a
Speaker 2: trade goes in and then it's Jacksonville's now on the board.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like Okay, I see what's going on here.
Speaker 2: And then finally he goes, do.
Speaker 1: You want to be a Jacksonville Jaguar? And I go, yes, sir, absolutely.
Speaker 2: But then after that, so you know, the town goes
Speaker 2: crazy town of thirteen hundred. They had fire trucks driving
Speaker 2: up and down my mom's street because, like, you know,
Speaker 2: Derek's the whole town. And the funny part about it
Speaker 2: is that my friends played in a beer league baseball game.
Speaker 2: What's a beer league baseball? So basically think of like
Speaker 2: drink beer baseball. So think of like a bunch of
Speaker 2: washed up athletes who never made it to the pros
Speaker 2: and never made to minor leagues that are still trying
Speaker 2: to relive those glories.
Speaker 1: This is baseball, baseball, This.
Speaker 2: Is baseball, so like fast yeah, So I went to
Speaker 2: go support them after I got drafted. Well, all the
Speaker 2: TV crews were in town, like where's Austin, Where's Austin,
Speaker 2: where's Austin.
Speaker 1: My mom was like, he went to his friend's beer
Speaker 1: league drinking beer. Yeah, So I.
Speaker 2: Ended up getting interviewed at the beer league baseball game.
Speaker 2: They're wondering what am I doing there support my friends?
Speaker 2: And then the plan was to go to Appleton, Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: You guys have been Appleton's where that where you're staying, right,
Speaker 2: So the place to drink in Wisconsin is Appleton.
Speaker 4: And by the way, for for everybody that did know,
Speaker 4: the Appleton, Wisconsin has some of the best two beat Yes,
Speaker 4: the yeah which I tubed down the Little Wolf River?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, years ago, Little Wolf River. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you are full in Wisconsin. I appreciate it. I don't know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So you had him at hunting and Fishing, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So well we're getting ready to go to Appleton to
Speaker 2: celebrate obviously, throw a couple back, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: my mom calls and she goes, hey, the local bowling
Speaker 2: alley bought you a keg of beer, and supposedly two
Speaker 2: other like people bought you two other kegs of beer.
Speaker 1: Do you do you want to go to the bowling alley.
Speaker 2: I'm like, in Wisconsin, if someone buys you a keg
Speaker 2: of beer, it's like them giving you like a like
Speaker 2: a kidney, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like it thought of a sacrifice.
Speaker 2: So instead of going to Appleton, Wisconsin to celebrate, drink
Speaker 2: at the you know, the local bowling alley.
Speaker 1: And we had fun there.
Speaker 3: You stay true to your roots, staying true to my roots,
Speaker 3: Austin authentic that you better believe.
Speaker 1: Three cakes, three cats. How long did that last? We started?
Speaker 2: I think at nine o'clock and I think we tapped
Speaker 2: him out by eleven thirty.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that sounds about Yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of people there, and it's the first time
Speaker 2: I ever drink with my like, my mom was there too,
Speaker 2: and it's cool. It's like a high school reunion, right,
Speaker 2: so all your family and friends are there and everything.
Speaker 2: And that was the first and only time that me
Speaker 2: and my mom kind of like party to get there
Speaker 2: a little bit. And that's the last time for a reason.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that much. If you ever watched
Speaker 2: Seinfeld and how like, remember Elaine Bennis was dancing that.
Speaker 1: That was my mom embarrassing me. That's what she does though,
Speaker 1: so was.
Speaker 4: Doing mom cut off from the bruise.
Speaker 2: My mom.
Speaker 1: Mom was cut off from the bruise.
Speaker 2: And of course my friends were encouraged you to keep dancing,
Speaker 2: Juli doing a great job. And I'm just like, now
Speaker 2: get me at a Jacksonville please, and here you are
Speaker 2: and here I and you're back and you were fighting,
Speaker 2: and you were on the air with Brent Martineau.
Speaker 3: I have a good friend. Yeah, that's where the Elaine
Speaker 3: Bennis reference, I'm sure comes in a lot of handy.
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, you're a pop culture icon.
Speaker 3: I try to be a week out from the draft, right,
Speaker 3: first round, fifth round. What's that like from a player's perspective.
Speaker 3: I mean, you the Haysen, the barn, so to speak,
Speaker 3: and there's not much more you can do. The visits
Speaker 3: have stopped.
Speaker 4: I think everybody's different, but I think there's a lot
Speaker 4: of anxiety for players. And I think the one thing
Speaker 4: too that the player really is concerned about is making
Speaker 4: sure that their health and well being stays intact, uh
Speaker 4: for the for the next week, right because of anything happens,
Speaker 4: anything from you know, look falling down a step or
Speaker 4: you know, being stupid and having too many beers and
Speaker 4: then you know, something bad happens. I mean, you're you're
Speaker 4: you're highly aware that this is a critical moment, and
Speaker 4: so you're trying to be on your best behavior. You're
Speaker 4: trying to do all the right things.
Speaker 3: Are you're working out or you're worried about pulling a
Speaker 3: hamstring and miss.
Speaker 4: Well, you're still working out, but I mean, but you're
Speaker 4: not killing it. You're just working out, I think more
Speaker 4: just to take your mind off of what's going to
Speaker 4: be coming up, more than anything. And uh. And there's
Speaker 4: a lot of phone calls that happen in the in
Speaker 4: the week leading up to it, because you're going to
Speaker 4: have teams constantly checking on you to make sure that
Speaker 4: you haven't been hit by a train, a truck or whatever.
Speaker 4: And uh. And then you also have a lot of
Speaker 4: calls from friends and family. And that's okay, you know,
Speaker 4: because I mean, they're just showing that they love you
Speaker 4: and that's your support system and and so that part
Speaker 4: of it is all good. But yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of anxiety. And I think the one thing too that
Speaker 4: I remember doing prior to the draft was you're you're
Speaker 4: trying to read and this was obviously pre phone internet
Speaker 4: era when I was drafted. You're trying to find out
Speaker 4: any information that.
Speaker 3: You can just about to ask.
Speaker 4: Totally different nowadays than for Austin. It was different from me.
Speaker 4: It was very different because you know, there was no internet, but.
Speaker 3: Did you ever read? I mean, and I would imagine
Speaker 3: being taken in the earlier rounds, it was a little
Speaker 3: bit more narrow as opposed to the fifth round. Yes,
Speaker 3: you got an idea that the Jets were.
Speaker 4: No, well they can't. They actually worked me out. But
Speaker 4: I was like at this time, you know, I heard
Speaker 4: that I could be drafted from maybe late first to
Speaker 4: second third, you know, so you know my window was
Speaker 4: was kind of in that range. And and uh.
Speaker 5: When did you know teams were you I had an
Speaker 5: idea and it's kind of wild how and this was
Speaker 5: more agent driven, Like Austin was talking about where some
Speaker 5: some of his information came from.
Speaker 4: Most of my information, that's where it came from because he.
Speaker 1: Was on the phone.
Speaker 4: Remember no Internet, no cell phones. Okay, the only thing
Speaker 4: we had was newspapers. So your agent really was the
Speaker 4: guy that had the information. And so the information that
Speaker 4: he had. And my agent was Brad Blank out of Boston, Massachusetts,
Speaker 4: and great guy had in my whole career, and I
Speaker 4: think he still does a little bit of stuff. But
Speaker 4: he had heard Pittsburgh was a possibility. Uh, San Francisco
Speaker 4: definitely late in the first round, which you know the
Speaker 4: I think San Francisco en up drafting the linebacker Keith
Speaker 4: the long out of Tennessee, which I could have been
Speaker 4: that guy. But yeah, I mean there was a couple possibilities,
Speaker 4: but the Jets were on the radar, but we didn't
Speaker 4: know that it would be at the fourteenth overall pick.
Speaker 3: So so much of the mono draft, all of the
Speaker 3: mono draft really is about the first round. Occasionally guys'll
Speaker 3: stray into the second a little bit, but it gets harder.
Speaker 3: How about you sitting there on the day three in
Speaker 3: the fifth round? Did you have an idea the Jaguars
Speaker 3: were interested in you? When you're sitting there deeper into
Speaker 3: the draft, do you know or is it just completely
Speaker 3: waiting and guessing.
Speaker 1: So I had a little bit of an idea.
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna tell me to name like the
Speaker 2: top twenty teams that I thought would be interested, Jacksonville
Speaker 2: might have been like thirtieth because I had an in
Speaker 2: person interview with them at the combine. And I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if you've done this before, Jeff, but like when
Speaker 2: you do these interviews with the whole organization, you're at
Speaker 2: the roundtable and it's almost like you're like getting intarrogated
Speaker 2: by the CIA, right, because there's like a bright light
Speaker 2: in your face and there's just darkness behind you, so
Speaker 2: like I'm trying to see, like I can't that.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's Jacktory over there. I know him and I'll
Speaker 1: talk and I see him over there.
Speaker 2: But like, it was a very intimidating experience. And it
Speaker 2: was the first interview that I had at my combine, and.
Speaker 1: I bombed it. It was it was the worst ever,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I wasn't myself.
Speaker 2: I was nervous because here you have a kid from
Speaker 2: Murray State who obviously the deck is already stacked against me.
Speaker 2: I didn't play against a good competition, so I have
Speaker 2: to purvey the fact of hey, not only can I
Speaker 2: play against the competition at the next level, but I'm
Speaker 2: also like a good team guy. Right, So I went
Speaker 2: above and beyond to try to purvey that. And I
Speaker 2: just I was myself, and I was nervous, and even
Speaker 2: I remember Jack Thery after the interview goes, is this
Speaker 2: your first one? Yes, sir, he goes, I can tell.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm probably not going to go to Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: But then lo and behold they call me. And I'm
Speaker 2: not sure how you felt about this, Jeff, but the
Speaker 2: most stressful part about the experience for me was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: anywhere from the second, whatever, third, fifth, maybe free agent,
Speaker 2: I didn't know. But the most stressful part for me
Speaker 2: was We're talking thirty different cities that could possibly live in, right,
Speaker 2: and that people kind of feel that to, you know,
Speaker 2: realize sometimes it's like, well, I can go to Cleveland,
Speaker 2: I can go to Hell at the time when it
Speaker 2: was Oakland, but I can go to la Now I
Speaker 2: can go to New York. Like that always kind of
Speaker 2: stressed me out more than anything, because, well, I'm about
Speaker 2: to drop what I'm doing in Wisconsin and go make
Speaker 2: a new life myself in a new city and they
Speaker 2: play Jacksonville was a cool city.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of had some of the same thoughts.
Speaker 4: And you know, when when you think about mock drafts,
Speaker 4: I mean, and everybody has a mock draft nowadays, I mean, heck,
Speaker 4: Martin's probably got four of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: So the only mock draft I think that was happening
Speaker 4: in that time was Mel Kuiper. It was the big one,
Speaker 4: I mean, and really that was the Mogs bomb did
Speaker 4: one with Pro Football Weekly so too. So basically there
Speaker 4: was like two mock drafts that were put out at
Speaker 4: that time, and I don't even think I ever even
Speaker 4: paid attention to it, and and when I look back
Speaker 4: on it, you know, when I was drafted by the Jets,
Speaker 4: it kind of made sense because I had multiple workouts
Speaker 4: with different layers of people from that organization and it
Speaker 4: made perfect sense.
Speaker 3: But for you and I, the mock draft, the mock
Speaker 3: draft of record, besides mel Kuiper, which was, by the way,
Speaker 3: there was no internet, so it really wasn't as big
Speaker 3: of a thing as the USA today, which was you know,
Speaker 3: back printed newspaper. On the day before the draft, they
Speaker 3: would do a big mock draft, and Rick Goslin from
Speaker 3: the Dallas Morning News was a big part of putting
Speaker 3: that thing on. The game has changed so dramatically. There's
Speaker 3: almost too much information.
Speaker 4: There's a of information and along the lines of what
Speaker 4: you were talking about, Austin about Okay, I'm getting ready
Speaker 4: to be transported to a new city and I have
Speaker 4: no idea where, yeah, which I remember thinking, and you know,
Speaker 4: I have friends that were asked me, you know, where
Speaker 4: would you like to go? And I'm like, you know what, man,
Speaker 4: I'm kind of a small town guy, just.
Speaker 1: Just don't send me to a big city.
Speaker 6: Yeah, those are the biggest in existance.
Speaker 1: Here I go. They booed you if I recall you're
Speaker 1: welcome for Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: Wasn't in New York that.
Speaker 4: They replay that every year for the draft, you know,
Speaker 4: so I got a I get a yearly reminder on that.
Speaker 3: So well, they haven't forgotten your name, now, have they.
Speaker 1: I mean, you were afraid of the big city. But
Speaker 1: was there because I mean I can name one.
Speaker 2: Was there one team, a couple of teams that you
Speaker 2: did like when you saw their name on the clock,
Speaker 2: You're like, please just skip me, skip by me, because
Speaker 2: I'll be honest.
Speaker 1: When Cleveland was on.
Speaker 3: The clock for me, I was like, that's the place
Speaker 3: where the river went on fire a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6: I heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I never had that feeling because, you know, being the
Speaker 4: fourteenth pick, I never really got to the point where, okay,
Speaker 4: this is my.
Speaker 1: Range, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: When when it got to fourteen and and I was selected,
Speaker 4: you know, and mel Kiper was right to some extent
Speaker 4: and that maybe the Jets could have traded down and
Speaker 4: gotten me maybe a little bit later. So I wasn't
Speaker 4: expecting to go that high. I don't know, I just
Speaker 4: kind of had, I don't know, maybe a different mindset
Speaker 4: at that point, and I said, you know what, I'm
Speaker 4: going to lower my expectations. Even though people are telling
Speaker 4: me that I could go in the middle of the
Speaker 4: first round, and my expectation, like, you know, that's not
Speaker 4: going to happen. I'm going to be picked probably maybe
Speaker 4: late in the first round, and then definitely probably in
Speaker 4: the second round. So my expectations weren't for that point.
Speaker 4: So I never was when each team was on the
Speaker 4: clock on no, please don't pick me, Please don't pick me,
Speaker 4: because I'll never forget this. This is the God's honest truth.
Speaker 4: Because I went the night before the draft. I remember
Speaker 4: looking at the financials of the year before of where
Speaker 4: the draft picks were at and what they got paid.
Speaker 4: So that also, and it's you'll you'll agree with this, Okay,
Speaker 4: You're also in your mind, you're also thinking about if
Speaker 4: I get picked in the first round, or if I
Speaker 4: get picked the fortieth pick or the fiftieth pick, or
Speaker 4: in your case, the fourth round or the fifth round,
Speaker 4: what's the money, like you know, because I mean the
Speaker 4: reality is, I mean, you're a young man getting ready
Speaker 4: to start aunt of money and you're getting paid.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You want to know what I wasn't yet, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't a thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you're thinking in New York, I have to
Speaker 3: pay a city sack.
Speaker 1: I got to pay a lot of city tax, the
Speaker 1: federal income tax money here, yeah.
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Speaker 3: to you join us on Thursday April. Ope, this was
Speaker 3: last week's Okay, ignore that?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, ignore that. Yeah, ignore that. We were talking the
Speaker 3: other day, and I'm sure you and BRENTA talked about it.
Speaker 3: There are three players that stand out, in my opinion elite.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna turn it over to you and you will.
Speaker 3: How about I throw it to you and then you
Speaker 3: guys just go with it. Yeah, and we'll start with
Speaker 3: a dual carter since we've got two defensive ends in here.
Speaker 3: Right of dual Carter from Penn State. I remember watching
Speaker 3: the Notre Dame game in the college foot I'll play
Speaker 3: off and thinking that guy could be the number one overall.
Speaker 4: Pick easily, where's number eleven? And very similar to Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4: I think in so many different ways. Now, I will
Speaker 4: say this, all of my evaluation has nothing to do
Speaker 4: with is he a smart guy? Does he have good character?
Speaker 4: I don't have a clue, okay, because I'm not privy
Speaker 4: to any of that kind of information. I'm looking at
Speaker 4: film on an iPad and a Microsoft surface. That's it, okay,
Speaker 4: And I think he is the premiere pass rusher. And
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna have the same impact as a
Speaker 4: Micah Parsons when he gets in the NFL. He can
Speaker 4: play linebacker, he can play with his hand in the ground.
Speaker 4: You could do all kinds of creative things with him.
Speaker 4: From a spinner package or what we call you know,
Speaker 4: Lawrence Taylor, they didn't call a spinner package. They call
Speaker 4: it like a I can't remember what do they call that.
Speaker 4: What did you guys call where you had three down
Speaker 4: and one guy that stood up and then walked around,
Speaker 4: And you can call like the joker, joker, joker spin
Speaker 4: or whatever you want.
Speaker 1: To call it. He can do anything. He can do anything.
Speaker 1: He's he's so talented.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, And I definitely get Micah Parsons vibes
Speaker 2: from him, simply because I still feel like he's a
Speaker 2: little raw, like he hasn't even come into his own yet.
Speaker 1: As a as a as a right.
Speaker 3: He was an edge rusher one year of yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I think when you look at you know him, I mean,
Speaker 2: the biggest question and if the if he was there
Speaker 2: for the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: How could you pass him up?
Speaker 2: Because because hard he might be the best player in
Speaker 2: this draft. But the biggest question is, Okay, then are
Speaker 2: we taking need or are we taking.
Speaker 1: Best player available?
Speaker 2: Because when you look at Josh Hainz Allen, who you
Speaker 2: just paid, you have a guy in Trayvon Walker for
Speaker 2: so far, for the first couple of years, has done
Speaker 2: his thing who might be in line for new contract.
Speaker 2: It's going to be hard to justify bringing him in
Speaker 2: with Trayvon Walker and Josh Haines Allen. If that's the case,
Speaker 2: it's going to be hard to pay.
Speaker 3: Just I go back to the Patriots Giant Super Bowl
Speaker 3: and you had Matthias Kaiwanuka and Tuck Uh you're justin
Speaker 3: Tuck and you had uh, Michael Strahan. I mean you
Speaker 3: did they just they just came in waves and could
Speaker 3: for a team that has two really good pass rushers.
Speaker 3: Two years ago they were the number one pass rush
Speaker 3: duo in the NFL with twenty seven and a half sacks.
Speaker 3: But yeah, did you feel like two years ago in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, they had enough?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, I mean I think if a
Speaker 3: duel Carter was there it'd be really hard to say.
Speaker 4: Now, you can never have enough, and there's always ways
Speaker 4: that defensive coordinators, I mean, look, you give them three
Speaker 4: guys like that, yeah, I mean, you'd have an absolute
Speaker 4: joy figuring out. And one of the things I think
Speaker 4: that impresses me about Carter is that he's got great stamina,
Speaker 4: great stamina, great closing speed, and great finish, which is
Speaker 4: which makes him special. Like we were saying, there's I
Speaker 4: believe there's three players that are lead at the top, right,
Speaker 4: I would put him up there. Travis Hunter is in
Speaker 4: that same We're gonna talk about him next, and uh,
Speaker 4: I would view him as a wide receiver first.
Speaker 3: All right, well let's go there. Okay, why because he
Speaker 3: clearly was very talented.
Speaker 4: He's the most effortless wide receiver that I've arguably watched
Speaker 4: in the last fifteen twenty years really watching film.
Speaker 3: Who needs you compare to Who else have you seen
Speaker 3: that's so effortless?
Speaker 4: I don't That's my point. I don't think I've seen
Speaker 4: anybody that's of his caliber. He makes everything look so easy. Okay,
Speaker 4: the difficult catch, okay, you know, one hand out grabs it,
Speaker 4: no problem, body control, no problem, Okay, subtle push offs,
Speaker 4: an advanced route running, no problem. He does everything at
Speaker 4: a level that it's it's ridiculous and that people are
Speaker 4: having this conversation about he can he play both ways?
Speaker 4: When you're an effortless athlete, the possibility of playing both
Speaker 4: ways exists because I mean the way he plays the game,
Speaker 4: it's not like he's ah, it's smooth and effortless. Where
Speaker 4: his heart rate Sometimes when you watch him he sit
Speaker 4: there to go, you wonder if his heart rate even
Speaker 4: went overall hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah, any position that you would call effortless. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to think this draft, no, no, no, just just to
Speaker 3: give us a player who's effortless.
Speaker 1: In the NFL.
Speaker 2: I played with one of them, and actually last time
Speaker 2: I was on the show, we talked about him the
Speaker 2: off the field stuff aside. Justin Blackman was an effortless
Speaker 2: receiver because there's some guys like take like Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 2: You watch him run routes like he's really chopping his feet,
Speaker 2: he's really exerting himself. I agree here with Jeff, like
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, it's just it's like he's not even trying.
Speaker 1: It's not fair.
Speaker 2: And Justin Blackman was the same way where he would
Speaker 2: just go up and make these catches and come down
Speaker 2: with them, like, dude, you should be like, you know,
Speaker 2: gritting or whatever you want to do is celebrating.
Speaker 1: And he's just like, yeah, that's what I do. And
Speaker 1: I think a Hunter fits that moult.
Speaker 4: I would I would say that one of the uh,
Speaker 4: the Sharp brothers. You know, they're not Shannon, but Sterling. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Sterling was a very effortless wide receiver, going a little
Speaker 4: bit old school, and then had the next issue, which
Speaker 4: but I mean, he was kind of along those same lines.
Speaker 4: But obviously I think he's way, way, way more advanced
Speaker 4: than sternly Sharp is. So I think it's going to
Speaker 4: be interesting to see how teams view him and how
Speaker 4: they utilize him, because I don't think anybody can play
Speaker 4: the NFL truly in a two way capacity. You have
Speaker 4: to have one be the dominant one and the next
Speaker 4: one be kind of a supplemental package. And if it
Speaker 4: were my decision, I would have him as a wide
Speaker 4: receiver and then find some packages to play him as
Speaker 4: a defensive back.
Speaker 1: But Jeff, let me ask you this though.
Speaker 2: You know, when we talk about finding that group, finding
Speaker 2: that rhythm isn't it easier to have a package or
Speaker 2: a couple packages on offense to kind of rotate him
Speaker 2: in and then get his reps on defense playing cornerback,
Speaker 2: because I feel like if you come in cold as
Speaker 2: a cornerback and you're going against Justin Jefferson, you're going
Speaker 2: against Tyreek Hill. Isn't that harder to adapt as opposed
Speaker 2: to playing the wide receiver position where you know Liam
Speaker 2: Cohin's gonna drop some packages for you.
Speaker 4: I think it's easier to manage it. I think for
Speaker 4: the way you're talking, I think it totally makes sense.
Speaker 4: But here's my thing. Do I want to have somebody
Speaker 4: that's going to touch the ball eighty times.
Speaker 1: In a season?
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense, or.
Speaker 4: Somebody maybe touch the ball as a defensive back maybe
Speaker 4: four or five. There's more of a game changing opportunity
Speaker 4: when the balls touch that many times. So just it's
Speaker 4: like to you, who do you want? You want Jerry
Speaker 4: Rice or do you want Dion Sanders?
Speaker 3: Jerry Rice?
Speaker 4: But Deon's not going to return for you know, I mean.
Speaker 3: Just as a you know, do you need touchdowns? And
Speaker 3: listen from the Jaguars perspective, and this team needs touchdown makers. Right,
Speaker 3: I mean, especially with Christian and with Evan gone. But
Speaker 3: before we get to the touchdown maker, just evaluate Hunter
Speaker 3: as a cornerback for me, since you talked about him
Speaker 3: being effortless as a receiver, does that translate to the
Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4: Also the ball skills, Yeah, from that aspect of it,
Speaker 4: the ball skills than and also the body control, and
Speaker 4: he is he's effortless on defense as but it's not
Speaker 4: as natural, you know, because on offense you kind of
Speaker 4: it looks more natural on offense because you know where
Speaker 4: you're going, whereas defense and is more reactionary. And he's
Speaker 4: got the skill set, make no mistake about it. And
Speaker 4: he's the best corner on the board, period. But what
Speaker 4: I separate him from the defensive back at Texas and
Speaker 4: I can't remember his name, who's yeah, Okay, what I
Speaker 4: separate him is the gap like that from Baron No,
Speaker 4: I think the GAP's closer. But the gap from the
Speaker 4: wide receivers in this draft to Travis Hunter, it's it's
Speaker 4: like it's way, it's miles apart.
Speaker 3: See it the same way?
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, especially in the way I look at it,
Speaker 2: is this the whole goal should be to see what
Speaker 2: we have with Trevor Lawrence now going forward, right, you
Speaker 2: have an offensive minded coach.
Speaker 1: You know, we haven't seen the best version of Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence yet.
Speaker 2: If you put him at wide receiver, that's going to
Speaker 2: help elevate I feel like the best performance that Trevor
Speaker 2: Lawrence can give you. So not only is it what's
Speaker 2: best for the team, but what's best for your franchise
Speaker 2: quarterback as well.
Speaker 4: Why do you think that Travis Hunter was in lockstep
Speaker 4: with sdur Sanders everywhere they went?
Speaker 1: Do you think Dion's a dumb guy?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, I just think that the biggest issue
Speaker 2: though going forward, Jeff, is what is that percentage going
Speaker 2: to look like? Because he's made it abundantly clear. He's
Speaker 2: been on an interview saying I want to play both ways,
Speaker 2: you know, and what's like, what's going to happen when
Speaker 2: it's you know, maybe he's on offense and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden it's fourth down and he wants to go
Speaker 2: and you know the game's on the line.
Speaker 1: Do you put him in there then?
Speaker 2: So trying to balance him and getting that ratio of
Speaker 2: offensive defense that's gonna be the change. He's gonna play
Speaker 2: well regardless of where he's gonna be. Can you imagine
Speaker 2: that balance?
Speaker 4: Can you imagine Let's say let's say he is what
Speaker 4: we think he is right five, Well, it actually would
Speaker 4: be six years from now. What's his contract look like
Speaker 4: if this guy is actually not a full time two
Speaker 4: way player but at least a partial too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what if he has six or eight touchdowns on
Speaker 3: offense and four or five interceptions on defense.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be monumental.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be groundbreaking because you're essentially gonna be paying
Speaker 2: for two players.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two top level players.
Speaker 3: All right, let's do this. We'll take a break, we'll
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Speaker 3: now we bring to the one that is being debated
Speaker 3: in and around North Florida, and that's the running back
Speaker 3: Ashton genty Without any filter, tell us what you think.
Speaker 4: I think he's the one of the three best players
Speaker 4: in the draft. But the question mark I think becomes
Speaker 4: is do you value that position to that level. There's
Speaker 4: no debate that he's got speed, he's got vision, he's
Speaker 4: got power. He runs throughs more, he runs through more tackles,
Speaker 4: arguably than anybody that I ever watch.
Speaker 3: Here's the number. He had seventeen hundred yards after contact
Speaker 3: last year as part of a twenty six hundred yard season,
Speaker 3: which was more than the next running back had total.
Speaker 3: Amrion Hampton, the kid from North Carolina in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Ye and Hampton, I would put him probably at the
Speaker 4: bottom of the first second round.
Speaker 1: He's a big guy, so Jude Jenny. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got the size.
Speaker 4: Even though they didn't utilize him as a receiver, he
Speaker 4: can do it when he was asked to do it,
Speaker 4: no problem. He's got home run speed. And I think
Speaker 4: the thing that impresses me is that when you watch
Speaker 4: him and pass protection, which is always a kind of
Speaker 4: a stumbling block for young running backs, no problem. When
Speaker 4: the only question mark I think that you may have
Speaker 4: about Jenny is ball security. He had a couple of fumbles,
Speaker 4: you know, in his career, and that's an issue that
Speaker 4: sometimes when that's the only thing you can point to
Speaker 4: is maybe a weakness. Sometimes it gets talked about, probably
Speaker 4: more than it should be.
Speaker 3: He's been compared to Austin, to Barry Sanders in terms
Speaker 3: of production. He's been compared to Ladania Thomason in terms
Speaker 3: of versatility.
Speaker 1: See in that one.
Speaker 3: He scores a lot of touchdowns. So, Christian McCaffrey, and
Speaker 3: then you said Saquon Barkley to me the other day, and.
Speaker 4: So I pose this question to you, and I'll pose
Speaker 4: it to you, Austin, if if you could draft Saquon
Speaker 4: Barkley in the top five.
Speaker 1: Would you do it?
Speaker 2: I mean, he essentially won the Eagles of Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: How can you pass that up?
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean yes, So, I mean there's a lot.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, and I'm not saying that the Jaguars
Speaker 4: should draft them, yeah, you know, because look, there's some
Speaker 4: other great players on the board. I mean, Mason Graham,
Speaker 4: the tackle out of LSU. There's a lot of great
Speaker 4: players there. And when you're drafting at five, it's kind
Speaker 4: of hard to make a mistake, although there's been teams
Speaker 4: that have done that. But I think Jenny's got to
Speaker 4: be on the conversation just because again, I think he's
Speaker 4: one of those three leade players.
Speaker 2: So I've went down a rabbit hole the past couple
Speaker 2: of days because I'm trying to put myself in James
Speaker 2: Gladstone's shoes and we hear the terminology intangibly rich. Well
Speaker 2: what does that mean? So I look back at you know,
Speaker 2: the Rams last draft that he was there, and you
Speaker 2: can look at the quote unquote intangibly rich players. Well,
Speaker 2: who do they take? They take Jared Verse with their
Speaker 2: first pick. Okay, Jared Verse in terms of production was
Speaker 2: the second highest rated in terms of production addresser that
Speaker 2: they could get. Who do they take next? They take Fisk,
Speaker 2: a defensive tackle. Biggest thing about him was a little
Speaker 2: on the short side, had stubby arms, had small hands,
Speaker 2: had athleticism, but didn't really have the size the mold
Speaker 2: to be maybe a defensive tackle the traits exactly, but
Speaker 2: what did he have. He was second at his defensive
Speaker 2: tackle position in production. So then we go third. You
Speaker 2: take Blake Korum. Some people said, we're gonna take it
Speaker 2: in the third round, Blake Korum. You know you already
Speaker 2: got a guy in Henderson there or whatever. They take him. Well,
Speaker 2: Blake Korum led the FBS in touchdowns that year. And
Speaker 2: then the next pick then was Kitchens out of Miami.
Speaker 2: If you remember how he all panned out, Kitchens was
Speaker 2: a safety who ran like a four to six, had
Speaker 2: a horrible combine. In terms of athleticism metrics, he was
Speaker 2: like I want to say, he was like thirty or fortieth.
Speaker 1: It was bad. But in terms of production he was second.
Speaker 2: This is the calling card of what the RAMS are
Speaker 2: looking for last year, and that to me is what
Speaker 2: intangibly rich means. So if we're talking about production, if
Speaker 2: we're talking about a guy who can make a difference
Speaker 2: on the field. Yeah, Hunter is one of those guys.
Speaker 2: Carter is one of those guys. But you can't bypass
Speaker 2: Ashton Denthi though, either.
Speaker 3: Remember also, I'm sorry, but remember also what the Buccaneers
Speaker 3: did last year when Liam Gohan fixed the running game
Speaker 3: and took him from the bottom three to the top
Speaker 3: three in Baker Mayfield at the best season of his career.
Speaker 3: That would be very enticing to me. This team needs touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting that Austin, you're using the
Speaker 1: word production. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The word that we've heard around here for the last
Speaker 4: few years has been trades.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay and sly smile on your face.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I like that word production more than
Speaker 4: I do trades. And I think you have to weigh
Speaker 4: more on production of a college player than you do
Speaker 4: about traits and trying to fore because that's forecasting, you know,
Speaker 4: and nobody has a crystal ball at least, you know,
Speaker 4: we used to have those magic eight balls, right, But
Speaker 4: that's not going to tell you that I still might
Speaker 4: have the proper answer all the time. But I mean,
Speaker 4: I think that that's the mindset with James Gladstone when
Speaker 4: he talks about intangibly rich. You want to have the production,
Speaker 4: but you also have to have the character that backs
Speaker 4: it and surrounds that production.
Speaker 3: So let me argue for drafting genty regardless of position,
Speaker 3: this franchise needs elite players, and you said he's one
Speaker 3: of the three elite players in this draft. They also
Speaker 3: need the difference maker, the culture setter, and it sure
Speaker 3: seems this is a guy who bypassed the chance to
Speaker 3: go make a whole lot more money in the nil
Speaker 3: before his big season at Boise State. He had the
Speaker 3: opportunity that's untangible that makes him intangibly rich. I just
Speaker 3: think this is a franchise. You can try to piece
Speaker 3: it together or you can just build it with those
Speaker 3: blocks of granted that are great players who are great
Speaker 3: people that help you get there. If this is both
Speaker 3: of those, I don't care what position he plays, I
Speaker 3: mean outside of quarterback, because you're so committed there, give
Speaker 3: me this guy. You don't have Christian Kirk or Evan
Speaker 3: Ingram anymore. You need production in the end zone. This
Speaker 3: is the second running back in the history college football
Speaker 3: to have more than twenty six hundred yards, and he
Speaker 3: had twenty nine touchdowns. What's to argue with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, you can say with Liam Cohen last
Speaker 2: year with that offense, Yes, you had Mike Evans, you
Speaker 2: had Chris Godwin. Yeah, but they at one point they
Speaker 2: were both hurt and they were led on Bucky Irvin,
Speaker 2: who was a fresh face.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And by the way, if I look at his metrics,
Speaker 2: look at his athleticism, which was I think he was
Speaker 2: like twentieth over dollars something like that. I look at
Speaker 2: his production, he was top five in production for running
Speaker 2: backs with Bucky Irvin. But my biggest thing is when
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen got in front of the media for the
Speaker 2: first time, and I told Brent this, I'm like, listen
Speaker 2: to who he mentions first in terms of the people,
Speaker 2: like the players that he's talking about. He mentioned Brian
Speaker 2: Thomas Junior obviously, mentioned Trevor Lawrence, and he mentioned the
Speaker 2: two running backs. Now he didn't mention Evan Ingram and
Speaker 2: Christian Kirk, And I haven't told Brent, I'm like, that's
Speaker 2: not good for Evan Ingram or Christian Kirk.
Speaker 1: If your coach is.
Speaker 2: First press conference he gets in front of there talking
Speaker 2: about the team and he doesn't mention you that's not
Speaker 2: a good look, and lo and behold, Christian kirk Now
Speaker 2: is in Houston and Evan Ingram's in Denver. So it
Speaker 2: comes down to is how much does Liam Cohen and
Speaker 2: James Gladstone like. How much do they like Travistn? How
Speaker 2: much do they like Tang Bigsby? And if you do
Speaker 2: get a guy like Ashtroon Genty, then what's the plan
Speaker 2: gonna be? Are you gonna plan on moving Travistn? Is
Speaker 2: Tank Biggsby still gonna be here?
Speaker 1: Those are questions I gotta get asked too. That's the problem.
Speaker 1: You'd like to have figure it out.
Speaker 3: Two seasons ago, Etn gave you eleven touchdowns, so you've
Speaker 3: had some production. But he didn't have a really good
Speaker 3: season last year, and you wonder he's playing on a
Speaker 3: five and a half million dollar fifth year option, something
Speaker 3: just shy of six million. The counterfactual to this argument
Speaker 3: is that it's one of the better drafts for running
Speaker 3: backs that we've seen in recent years. It goes deep,
Speaker 3: but how many of them are elite?
Speaker 4: I mean, there's none of them in Jenny's class. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's can you get a good running back in the
Speaker 4: second round. Sure, you can get a good running back
Speaker 4: in the second round. Are you going to get one
Speaker 4: to the level of genty, I don't think so. You know,
Speaker 4: offensive lineman, let's say you draft one at five. Could
Speaker 4: you get an offensive lineman that's in the same neighborhood
Speaker 4: as the offensive lineman you might get at five.
Speaker 3: Probably, So Brandon Linder was a third round pick in seasons,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: So you know, there's always separation and there's elites, and
Speaker 4: those three guys I believe are the elite players. Look,
Speaker 4: I think that the quarterbacks have a lot of great
Speaker 4: things to offer, but I think they're talked about at
Speaker 4: the top because of the position that they play. Cam
Speaker 4: Ward has some elite throws and elite ability. Should R
Speaker 4: Sanders has some elite pocket ability that is very impressive.
Speaker 4: But if they weren't quarterbacks, I don't think they would
Speaker 4: be talked about in the top of the draft.
Speaker 3: You know, we talk so much about the offensive line
Speaker 3: being fortified to improve the running game. The running back
Speaker 3: can improve running game and make those offensive linemen look
Speaker 3: a lot better too. And I thought, yeah, I'm interpreting,
Speaker 3: but I even thought it, maybe heard that from Liam
Speaker 3: Coleman one of his answers where we talked about there
Speaker 3: were some different things we could do to open things
Speaker 3: up jet screens, and but that's where I thought, just
Speaker 3: take this guy if he's there for you, because he
Speaker 3: can take the offensive line and elevate its play.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, here's here's a great, great question. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: if Hunter's there, and Carter's there, and Jenny's there, which
Speaker 4: one of those three would you take?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, it's a it's a great question.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The one thing I got to help my quarterback about
Speaker 4: Jenny that's interesting to me is that he was born here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, family.
Speaker 1: For the first seven years of his life. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so just a little added, little note there.
Speaker 4: But but I think if I had to have one
Speaker 4: of those.
Speaker 1: Three, I'm taking Hunter. Yeah, agreed, I'm taking Hunter. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You could justify that because it is a good draft
Speaker 3: for running backs and you can find a guy that
Speaker 3: can help you and you have two guys that you
Speaker 3: you know, you think can play.
Speaker 1: And he's not going to be there. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be there. He'd be crazy if it
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 2: Unless teams get desperate for the quarterback in this this
Speaker 2: can happen every single year. But I think in terms
Speaker 2: of tangibly rich, does it get any more tangibly rich
Speaker 2: than Travis Hunter. I mean the dudes like Screet McDuck.
Speaker 2: When it comes to tangibly rich, I mean, he's he's
Speaker 2: got on both sides of the ball. That again, is
Speaker 2: a Brent Martin no kind of reference. That's yeah, No,
Speaker 2: I don't know he would say that, but it fits perfectly.
Speaker 2: We appreciate that.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: When we come back, let's talk about other players that
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Speaker 3: Jacksonville Jaguars. So let's talk about a couple of other guys.
Speaker 3: The most popular name associated to the Jaguars because mock
Speaker 3: drafts take need and marry it with value. And listen,
Speaker 3: Mason Graham, the defensive tackle from Michigan, Michigan is right
Speaker 3: there right. I mean, he he's a need and he's
Speaker 3: a guy who fits in the top five to seven.
Speaker 3: Now we're not talking about elite level player, are we
Speaker 3: But we're talking about a really good football player, uh,
Speaker 3: really productive football player.
Speaker 1: There we go, there we go. What do you think
Speaker 1: that's the keyword.
Speaker 2: So when it comes to Mason Graham, you know when,
Speaker 2: because let's be honest here, you're bringing him in to
Speaker 2: get up to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: You need himterior push.
Speaker 2: If you want to look at this defense last year,
Speaker 2: one one of the gaping holes was it was interior push.
Speaker 2: You had on the edge, you had Josh hainz Owen,
Speaker 2: you had Treyvon Walker getting home in the backfield, but
Speaker 2: interior wise, it just wasn't there.
Speaker 1: Mason Graham. I think when we talk about breaking down a.
Speaker 2: Pass rusher three phases, there's the get off, there's the
Speaker 2: move area, and there's the finish. Mason Graham has the
Speaker 2: get off and the finish in spades. That's already there
Speaker 2: in my opinion. The move area part is where he
Speaker 2: has to improve a little bit, and that's you know,
Speaker 2: refining the pastors rush moves and things like that. But
Speaker 2: I think if we talk about his background, he was
Speaker 2: a pretty prolific high school wrestler.
Speaker 1: It shows up on film a lot.
Speaker 2: He's got great contact balance, plays with a lot of
Speaker 2: hand violence, which I come from the Joel Cullens school
Speaker 2: of hand violence. I know how important that is. And
Speaker 2: I think he just has that want to. He has
Speaker 2: that attitude, that demeanor that you look for in a
Speaker 2: defensive tackle. Now, size is a question, right, and this
Speaker 2: is where I think people have two varying opinions. I'm
Speaker 2: from the opinion of sometimes you got to put aside
Speaker 2: those preconceived notions of what a defensive tackle looks like.
Speaker 1: He's not built like Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2: He's not built like Jordan Davis, right, But he's also
Speaker 2: taller than Aaron Donald was. Okay, So I don't think
Speaker 2: the size is going to be an issue some people do.
Speaker 2: I think the size is going to be just fine
Speaker 2: for him, aren't The length and everything will be just fine.
Speaker 2: The big thing with him is can you get him
Speaker 2: with the coach that can refine his pass rush moves
Speaker 2: a little bit, and if you can, I think you
Speaker 2: have a game change.
Speaker 1: On your hands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a he's a dominant player, like Austo saying strong.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything negative about him. But when
Speaker 4: you're talking about a defensive tackle at five, the one
Speaker 4: thing that you would like to have, because this is
Speaker 4: a passing league now, is you want to have a
Speaker 4: guy that shows that he can be a dominant pass
Speaker 4: rusher that can affect the passing game. And I think
Speaker 4: that's I don't think it's a question mark because he
Speaker 4: can push the pocket, but he's the truly an elite
Speaker 4: player in the inside. I don't think anybody would say
Speaker 4: that he's going.
Speaker 1: To be Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's never been a guy like that, very
Speaker 4: few and far between. But can he be a Chris
Speaker 4: Jones type?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I would say that.
Speaker 3: Well, he's not as big as Chris obviously, so you're
Speaker 3: talking about he doesn't have that lanth and Jones moves
Speaker 3: all over the line, right correct. Could you see this
Speaker 3: guy moving? I mean, he's he a three technique or.
Speaker 4: Well he could play one. He can play a three,
Speaker 4: he can play a four, eye, he can play a five.
Speaker 4: Is he gonna be a wide you know, wide nine
Speaker 4: or or a seven? You know which is outside? You
Speaker 4: know you got a true defensive end. That's probably not
Speaker 4: where he belongs. But but he's a I think the
Speaker 4: greatest thing about him that I would say he's an
Speaker 4: ultimate competitor. Every play matters, and when you're talking about
Speaker 4: in tangibles, there you go. I mean that right there
Speaker 4: fills the bucket up with this guy, ultimate competitor.
Speaker 2: And people are gonna look at the sack numbers right
Speaker 2: and say it's a little low for my liking. But
Speaker 2: once again, if we're taking in the metrics and everything
Speaker 2: a production, he's first in his class a defensive tackle
Speaker 2: in terms of production, because sometimes it doesn't come from
Speaker 2: just getting quarterback sacks. Sometimes it comes from pressure, Sometimes
Speaker 2: it comes from taking on double teams and doing your job,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it comes from just you know, getting the
Speaker 2: backfield and causing chaos.
Speaker 1: I think Mason Graham can do those things. His floor
Speaker 1: is high.
Speaker 6: His way, it's a point I feel like, Yeah, whereas
Speaker 6: you know, one of the next best defensive tackles being
Speaker 6: talked about in the draft of Walter Nolan from Mississippi, right.
Speaker 4: You know, he's a guy that at times shows dominance.
Speaker 4: Chris Jones dominant dominance, but the consistency, the ultimate competitor part.
Speaker 4: If you could morph the two of those guys together,
Speaker 4: oh my god, you'd have you know, then you would
Speaker 4: have a guy that would say elite player in the
Speaker 4: draft Adam to the other three.
Speaker 2: I think if you gave him Mason Graham's mindset, he
Speaker 2: would be a top five pick himself. It's just this
Speaker 2: guy's there's a little question of the effort and the
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 3: So who else do you like? Give me a player
Speaker 3: that if the Jaguars get stuck or if they trade
Speaker 3: back a few spots.
Speaker 1: Who do you like at five?
Speaker 3: Well, no, just let's just say the Jaguars.
Speaker 4: I like a lot of players.
Speaker 1: Give me more point.
Speaker 3: Okay, we've got six minutes, so let's just say give
Speaker 3: me another player you like. Regardless of position where you
Speaker 3: are on the draft, who would you like to have
Speaker 3: on this roster?
Speaker 4: First of all, I think there's a lot of really
Speaker 4: good edge rushers in this draft. I mean a lot
Speaker 4: of really good edge rushers, and a lot of guys
Speaker 4: are put at the top that I don't know necessarily
Speaker 4: should be at the top, but I hope they stay
Speaker 4: there because that pushes what I believe, the more productive
Speaker 4: types down to the Jaguars, which you could possibly get
Speaker 4: in round two. For example, the guy at Georgia I
Speaker 4: think is Michael Williams, right.
Speaker 3: And Michael Williams and Jalen Walker's the other one, right.
Speaker 4: And I like Michael Williams okay, and then Shamar Stewart
Speaker 4: another guy from Texas A and m where's that word
Speaker 4: at production?
Speaker 1: Yep? Correct?
Speaker 4: I mean if it keeps talking about potential and all that, look,
Speaker 4: I hope they get drafted in the first round because
Speaker 4: that's going to push guys that have had production down
Speaker 4: the Jaguars in round two, and there's a lot of
Speaker 4: guys to pick from.
Speaker 1: I think at that position in round two.
Speaker 2: You've got a guy in Shamar Stewart. I believe it's
Speaker 2: six seven. I think he ran like a four four
Speaker 2: or four or five of the combine. This guy is
Speaker 2: a freaking nature.
Speaker 1: He is built.
Speaker 2: I mean, he is built for NFL greatness. But then
Speaker 2: you watch the film from college and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: are they not using him correctly? He's not given ever
Speaker 2: because he didn't have the stats. Now he goes to
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl and tears it apart the one on
Speaker 2: one Jills. Nobody could stop him. So then it's like
Speaker 2: you're watching him, it's like, well, then which one am.
Speaker 1: I gonna get?
Speaker 2: And am I getting the guy at Texas A and
Speaker 2: M who for whatever reason wasn't that productive? Or am
Speaker 2: I getting this guy at the Senior Bowl who was
Speaker 2: taking prisoners. It's just there's always a risk with those.
Speaker 1: Type of guys.
Speaker 2: If you're asking me and how I think this drafts
Speaker 2: could shake out, Like, listen, Hunter would be great in
Speaker 2: the first round, Carter would be great. I think they're
Speaker 2: gonna be there, right, so maybe go Mason Graham in
Speaker 2: the first round, you go defensive tackle. So then when
Speaker 2: are you talking about the second round? I'm trying to
Speaker 2: how about Trevor Lawrence, a guy, a wide receiver who
Speaker 2: I really like a lot. Luther Burden out of Missoo.
Speaker 2: This is a guy who he's kind of an anomaly
Speaker 2: because the way they used him. He's super talented, he's quick,
Speaker 2: he's agile, but all he ran was five yard outs.
Speaker 2: All he ran was slants because they want to get
Speaker 2: in the ball as much as possible. I think in
Speaker 2: this Liam Cohen offense, with creativity and motion, you can
Speaker 2: put this guy in motion, get him open, and he
Speaker 2: can do the rest. And in terms once again production score,
Speaker 2: he was third overall in terms of wide receivers. You
Speaker 2: got Hunter, you got Ted McMillan, and then you got Luther.
Speaker 4: The wide receiver along those lines, the wide receiver out
Speaker 4: Ohio State m M.
Speaker 2: And who Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I probably butchered his name as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want butcher which I'm looking for it.
Speaker 2: Leave it to the defensive play go for it.
Speaker 4: But the one thing I love about him, he's got
Speaker 4: game changing speed and uh and from what I understand,
Speaker 4: he's he's character wise. He is as intangibly rich as
Speaker 4: there could possibly be when it comes from.
Speaker 3: A character standpoint. Let me get your comment of guy
Speaker 3: that I love. I love watching him play the tight
Speaker 3: end Tyler Warren, who last year was I mean, they
Speaker 3: used him in every conceivable way except putting his hand
Speaker 3: on the ground and playing left time.
Speaker 1: He's special. He's special.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I think he's got to be considered
Speaker 4: uh in the top eight.
Speaker 3: I've seen him as highest, as high as six, I.
Speaker 4: Believe, and what I consider him for the jack If
Speaker 4: I'm the Jaguars at five, I'd have a hard time
Speaker 4: doing that, just because I feel really good about where
Speaker 4: they are with Brenton Strange and about where his trajectory is.
Speaker 4: Trajectory is gonna go and Warren I see as more
Speaker 4: of that special pass catching tight end. I think Brenton
Speaker 4: Strange can be that. I would be looking more for
Speaker 4: an inline type of tight end if I'm the.
Speaker 3: Jaguars and this is not a bad draft for tight ends,
Speaker 3: I think it's.
Speaker 1: Some solid players, very solid players.
Speaker 3: A Mecca ed Buka is the wide receiver that you
Speaker 3: were talking about from Ohio State them.
Speaker 4: Love them, love them. Guy can take the top off
Speaker 4: the defense, touchdown maker. Pair him with BTJ.
Speaker 1: Look at.
Speaker 3: Position that you want to add to here on this
Speaker 3: roster that people aren't thinking of. We're talking about helping
Speaker 3: the quarterback with touchdown makers, for sure. We've talked about
Speaker 3: a lot of different positions on that side. Where else
Speaker 3: would you and listen, we spent so much time in
Speaker 3: the first round because that's that's where people's interest is. Sure,
Speaker 3: maybe second round people will go through that, but players
Speaker 3: right wherever they wherever you find them.
Speaker 4: You got you got to get some interior offensive linemen.
Speaker 4: I mean when you're addressing a position like the Jaguars
Speaker 4: did in free agency with this, which is with as
Speaker 4: much money you got and resources at that position, that
Speaker 4: means that you've got a glaring need and you're just
Speaker 4: trying to patch it in free agency. Okay, you're not
Speaker 4: solving it in free agency. You solve issues.
Speaker 1: With the draft.
Speaker 4: That's the lifeblood of every franchise. You can patch it
Speaker 4: up a little bit to get you through, but to
Speaker 4: truly solve it and address it, you've got to do
Speaker 4: it in the draft. I expect the Jaguars to draft
Speaker 4: at least three offensive linemen.
Speaker 3: And we haven't talked at all about the secondary, but
Speaker 3: obviously there's a need there too.
Speaker 1: Without a doubt.
Speaker 2: If you look at what this defense is going to be,
Speaker 2: and we have to see it for ourselves first, right,
Speaker 2: you have to see who you have your personnel. But
Speaker 2: if it's gonna be kind of like a Vic Fangel
Speaker 2: type of defense, because this is the coaching tree that
Speaker 2: it's coming from, you got to have smart, calculated guys
Speaker 2: in the back end, especially at the safety position, right
Speaker 2: because you're gonna be asked to play a lot of coverages,
Speaker 2: kind of switch up some things every once in a while.
Speaker 2: And last year we saw way too many explosive plays
Speaker 2: out of the secondary. So I think safety and maybe
Speaker 2: even cornerback could be a huge need.
Speaker 4: For I think safety's right. I think safety is going
Speaker 4: to be one of the positions that will be addressed.
Speaker 4: And when you looked at Green Bay last year, the
Speaker 4: one thing that impressed me about them they did They'd
Speaker 4: never had what the Jaguars had, which was breakdowns that
Speaker 4: led to explosives. Green Bay never had that. And so
Speaker 4: the hope is is the kay, you've got a guy
Speaker 4: from that coaching tree and that that mindset brings here,
Speaker 4: come here to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Now you got to get the players deck cute, don't break.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're done. Who do they pick?
Speaker 1: I'm taking Graham?
Speaker 3: You who would you take?
Speaker 1: They say, Jeff, I mean the punters there, but I'm
Speaker 1: taking I think I'm taking him. Yeah, because that's kind
Speaker 1: of a cough out we all know.
Speaker 3: But we're out of time, so I gotta let this
Speaker 3: one go. I'll be in Green Bay, I'll join you
Speaker 3: guys next week. Here we go through. Thank you very
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