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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, April seventeenth. This is Jackuars Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: Jaguars Happy Hour is brought to you by Dream Finders'

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Speaker 2: Homes and now in the spirit of fairness, cause Austin

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Speaker 2: is here tonight.

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Speaker 3: He's going into the octagon next week. Brian's Sexton, Hello,

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Speaker 3: and welcome to Jaguars Happy Hour. Brian Sexton in for

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Speaker 3: JP Shadrick and what we have a full cast in

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Speaker 3: here tonight.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Jeff Logaman, Hello, Jeff, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great?

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Speaker 1: Nice to see you. That nice to be seen.

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Speaker 3: When they said do you want to do Happy Hour?

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Speaker 3: I said, is Jeff going to be there? They said yes.

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Speaker 3: I said, I'll do it. Cool, glad that you're here.

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Speaker 3: And then they said Austin Lane was going to come

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Speaker 3: see it in and I said, even better, Austin, how

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Speaker 3: are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing a fantastic I've stem in here because there's

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Speaker 2: a custody battle between Brent Martineau and you guys right now,

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Speaker 2: so it's kind of going back and forth. And now

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Speaker 2: two Christmas is for me, if you will, but I've

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Speaker 2: got to be here.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're glad that you're willing to split some time with.

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Speaker 4: Us absolutely well, and by the way, we got at

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Speaker 4: least we got the right side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean defensive guys.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, defensive ends.

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Speaker 1: It just goes to show you.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna lean heavily on the defense tonight.

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Speaker 4: The intelligence factor went away.

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Speaker 3: Listen, we knew that a little atayring the attitude.

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Speaker 1: I'll bring the attitude, you're bringing the intellect.

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Speaker 3: I'll try here we go, right, So tonight we'll talk

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Speaker 3: about one week to draft night. We'll talk about the

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Speaker 3: principle of value versus need, right, and we'll talk a

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Speaker 3: little bit about players or picks.

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Speaker 4: And I want to hear a past story about draft

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Speaker 4: night from Austin Lane.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, I mean, look, we had essential Wisconsin. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I have one for.

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Speaker 3: You right now, you got one, Yeah, might as well

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 1: Draft story. Yeah, so obviously, So did you get invited

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Speaker 1: to the draft?

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Speaker 2: First?

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Speaker 1: Get invited in the draft?

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Speaker 2: Neither? Coming out of Murray State, you know, a fifth

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Speaker 2: round pick, I wasn't going to go to.

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Speaker 1: I guess at the time where it would have been?

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Speaker 1: New York City? Yeah, was always there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it was weird because coming from a small school,

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Speaker 2: they said anywhere from the second round to the seventh round. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is my agent being a good agent, I think right, Like,

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Speaker 2: I think he had a more feeling of a late

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Speaker 2: round pick. But I'm like, all right, second round, you

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Speaker 2: never know. So we're there the first night, I'm back

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Speaker 2: home Wisconsin. I owe the Scandinavia tound of thirteen hundred people.

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Speaker 2: Name doesn't get called. All right, gonna have the party

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Speaker 2: the next day as well. So we're at my mom's house.

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Speaker 2: She made brisket right about twenty friends were over there.

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Speaker 4: And how she cook it, by the way, in the oven.

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Speaker 2: I really, she's not saying, this is Wisconsin, man, I'm

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Speaker 2: just gonna put in the oven again.

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Speaker 1: Call a day.

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Speaker 2: And obviously there's some basic beverages being passed around as well.

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Speaker 1: I was being good lining Googles live. There's some line

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Speaker 1: and Googles and some point some point point.

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Speaker 4: Point points of beer. By the way, point people don't

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Speaker 4: know that that's actually a beer.

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Speaker 1: Well we know.

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Speaker 3: Just to interrupt your story, because the Jaguars did training

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Speaker 3: camp in Stephen's Point, Wisconsin in December of nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 1: And that was the one, by the way, that's where

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Speaker 1: I learned.

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Speaker 3: And lineing googles were the deal at the penalty box

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Speaker 3: right across that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, were you there too? You probably weren't the

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Speaker 1: penalty box, right, I found many places in and he

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Speaker 1: walk in.

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Speaker 3: Oh, were you a coach?

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Speaker 1: You know that's that.

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Speaker 4: I never even by the way, I never even knew

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Speaker 4: what point beer encouraged was.

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Speaker 1: But that's like a big deal in It's a staple.

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Speaker 4: So here we are in Wisconsin for training camp, supposed

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Speaker 4: to have cool weather. Cow's are dying in the.

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Speaker 1: Field, chickens in the shed, warm summery. Everyone.

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Speaker 4: I'm drinking point beer and eat.

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Speaker 1: Kirk.

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Speaker 3: You decided to leave New York for Jacksonville, you end

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Speaker 3: up in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how that was.

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Speaker 3: We go back to your story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, so it's the fifth round and I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I got a pretty good feeling here. The Raiders were

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Speaker 2: on the clock, and I'm like, I didn't really hear

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Speaker 2: much of Oakland at the time, but I'm thinking this

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Speaker 2: might be the one. And I get a phone call.

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Speaker 2: It's a nine o four number, and I answered the phone.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, this is it, right?

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Speaker 2: So I answered the phone and at the time I

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Speaker 2: didn't know who it was, but it was coach Malarkey,

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Speaker 2: remember Mike Malarkey. It was his son who's in the

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Speaker 2: skyting department. Okay, doesn't introduce himself. He just goes, hey,

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Speaker 2: Austin and he get hunting in Wisconsin and I'm like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how he remembers the exactly. Oh I remember the exactly.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I mean I guess.

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Speaker 2: So he's like, you're hunting a lot ago when I

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Speaker 2: was in like second grade. I haven't been hunting in forever.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask who's calling? But he's like, I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to watch the draft and to the point, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Sonny goes, you've been fishing in Wisconsin and I'm like

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Speaker 2: watching the TV and the Raiders are so I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: it's a nine to four number.

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Speaker 1: It ain't Oakland.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, who is This must be like prank caller, right,

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Speaker 2: trying to get back at me. So I'm like, man,

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Speaker 2: I haven't been fishing in.

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Speaker 1: Like twelve years. Why are you asking?

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Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I see there's a

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Speaker 2: trade goes in and then it's Jacksonville's now on the board.

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Speaker 2: And then I'm like Okay, I see what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: And then finally he goes, do.

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Speaker 1: You want to be a Jacksonville Jaguar? And I go, yes, sir, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: But then after that, so you know, the town goes

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Speaker 2: crazy town of thirteen hundred. They had fire trucks driving

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Speaker 2: up and down my mom's street because, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Derek's the whole town. And the funny part about it

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Speaker 2: is that my friends played in a beer league baseball game.

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Speaker 2: What's a beer league baseball? So basically think of like

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Speaker 2: drink beer baseball. So think of like a bunch of

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Speaker 2: washed up athletes who never made it to the pros

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Speaker 2: and never made to minor leagues that are still trying

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Speaker 2: to relive those glories.

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Speaker 1: This is baseball, baseball, This.

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Speaker 2: Is baseball, so like fast yeah, So I went to

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Speaker 2: go support them after I got drafted. Well, all the

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Speaker 2: TV crews were in town, like where's Austin, Where's Austin,

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Speaker 2: where's Austin.

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Speaker 1: My mom was like, he went to his friend's beer

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Speaker 1: league drinking beer. Yeah, So I.

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Speaker 2: Ended up getting interviewed at the beer league baseball game.

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Speaker 2: They're wondering what am I doing there support my friends?

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Speaker 2: And then the plan was to go to Appleton, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: You guys have been Appleton's where that where you're staying, right,

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Speaker 2: So the place to drink in Wisconsin is Appleton.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, for for everybody that did know,

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Speaker 4: the Appleton, Wisconsin has some of the best two beat Yes,

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Speaker 4: the yeah which I tubed down the Little Wolf River?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, years ago, Little Wolf River. Yeah. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: you are full in Wisconsin. I appreciate it. I don't know. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: So you had him at hunting and Fishing, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So well we're getting ready to go to Appleton to

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Speaker 2: celebrate obviously, throw a couple back, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: my mom calls and she goes, hey, the local bowling

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Speaker 2: alley bought you a keg of beer, and supposedly two

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Speaker 2: other like people bought you two other kegs of beer.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you want to go to the bowling alley.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, in Wisconsin, if someone buys you a keg

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Speaker 2: of beer, it's like them giving you like a like

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Speaker 2: a kidney, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: It's like it thought of a sacrifice.

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Speaker 2: So instead of going to Appleton, Wisconsin to celebrate, drink

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Speaker 2: at the you know, the local bowling alley.

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Speaker 1: And we had fun there.

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Speaker 3: You stay true to your roots, staying true to my roots,

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Speaker 3: Austin authentic that you better believe.

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Speaker 1: Three cakes, three cats. How long did that last? We started?

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Speaker 2: I think at nine o'clock and I think we tapped

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Speaker 2: him out by eleven thirty.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that sounds about Yeah.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people there, and it's the first time

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Speaker 2: I ever drink with my like, my mom was there too,

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Speaker 2: and it's cool. It's like a high school reunion, right,

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Speaker 2: so all your family and friends are there and everything.

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Speaker 2: And that was the first and only time that me

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Speaker 2: a little bit. And that's the last time for a reason.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that much. If you ever watched

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Speaker 2: Seinfeld and how like, remember Elaine Bennis was dancing that.

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Speaker 1: That was my mom embarrassing me. That's what she does though,

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Speaker 1: so was.

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Speaker 4: Doing mom cut off from the bruise.

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Speaker 2: My mom.

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Speaker 1: Mom was cut off from the bruise.

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Speaker 2: And of course my friends were encouraged you to keep dancing,

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Speaker 2: Juli doing a great job. And I'm just like, now

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Speaker 2: get me at a Jacksonville please, and here you are

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Speaker 2: and here I and you're back and you were fighting,

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Speaker 2: and you were on the air with Brent Martineau.

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Speaker 3: I have a good friend. Yeah, that's where the Elaine

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Speaker 3: Bennis reference, I'm sure comes in a lot of handy.

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Speaker 1: Without a doubt, you're a pop culture icon.

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Speaker 3: I try to be a week out from the draft, right,

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Speaker 3: first round, fifth round. What's that like from a player's perspective.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you the Haysen, the barn, so to speak,

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Speaker 3: and there's not much more you can do. The visits

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Speaker 4: I think everybody's different, but I think there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of anxiety for players. And I think the one thing

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Speaker 4: too that the player really is concerned about is making

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Speaker 4: sure that their health and well being stays intact, uh

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Speaker 4: for the for the next week, right because of anything happens,

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Speaker 4: anything from you know, look falling down a step or

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Speaker 4: you know, being stupid and having too many beers and

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Speaker 4: then you know, something bad happens. I mean, you're you're

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Speaker 4: you're highly aware that this is a critical moment, and

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Speaker 4: so you're trying to be on your best behavior. You're

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Speaker 4: trying to do all the right things.

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Speaker 3: Are you're working out or you're worried about pulling a

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Speaker 3: hamstring and miss.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're still working out, but I mean, but you're

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Speaker 4: not killing it. You're just working out, I think more

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Speaker 4: just to take your mind off of what's going to

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Speaker 4: be coming up, more than anything. And uh. And there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of phone calls that happen in the in

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Speaker 4: the week leading up to it, because you're going to

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Speaker 4: have teams constantly checking on you to make sure that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of had some of the same thoughts.

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Speaker 3: But for you and I, the mock draft, the mock

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Speaker 3: to you join us on Thursday April. Ope, this was

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Speaker 3: last week's Okay, ignore that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ignore that. Yeah, ignore that. We were talking the

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Speaker 3: There are three players that stand out, in my opinion elite.

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Speaker 4: to any of that kind of information. I'm looking at

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Speaker 4: film on an iPad and a Microsoft surface. That's it, okay,

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Speaker 4: And I think he is the premiere pass rusher. And

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Speaker 4: I think he's gonna have the same impact as a

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Speaker 4: Micah Parsons when he gets in the NFL. He can

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Speaker 4: play linebacker, he can play with his hand in the ground.

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Speaker 4: You could do all kinds of creative things with him.

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Speaker 4: From a spinner package or what we call you know,

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Speaker 4: Lawrence Taylor, they didn't call a spinner package. They call

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Speaker 4: it like a I can't remember what do they call that.

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Speaker 4: What did you guys call where you had three down

448
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Speaker 4: and one guy that stood up and then walked around,

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Speaker 4: And you can call like the joker, joker, joker spin

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Speaker 4: or whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: To call it. He can do anything. He can do anything.

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Speaker 1: He's he's so talented.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree, And I definitely get Micah Parsons vibes

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Speaker 2: from him, simply because I still feel like he's a

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Speaker 2: little raw, like he hasn't even come into his own yet.

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Speaker 1: As a as a as a right.

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Speaker 3: He was an edge rusher one year of yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: I think when you look at you know him, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the biggest question and if the if he was there

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Speaker 2: for the Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: How could you pass him up?

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Speaker 2: Because because hard he might be the best player in

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Speaker 2: this draft. But the biggest question is, Okay, then are

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Speaker 2: we taking need or are we taking.

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Speaker 1: Best player available?

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Speaker 2: Because when you look at Josh Hainz Allen, who you

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Speaker 2: just paid, you have a guy in Trayvon Walker for

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Speaker 2: so far, for the first couple of years, has done

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Speaker 2: his thing who might be in line for new contract.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be hard to justify bringing him in

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Speaker 2: with Trayvon Walker and Josh Haines Allen. If that's the case,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be hard to pay.

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Speaker 3: Just I go back to the Patriots Giant Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: and you had Matthias Kaiwanuka and Tuck Uh you're justin

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Speaker 3: Tuck and you had uh, Michael Strahan. I mean you

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Speaker 3: did they just they just came in waves and could

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Speaker 3: for a team that has two really good pass rushers.

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Speaker 3: Two years ago they were the number one pass rush

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Speaker 3: duo in the NFL with twenty seven and a half sacks.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, did you feel like two years ago in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, they had enough?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, I mean I think if a

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Speaker 3: duel Carter was there it'd be really hard to say.

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Speaker 4: Now, you can never have enough, and there's always ways

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Speaker 4: that defensive coordinators, I mean, look, you give them three

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Speaker 4: guys like that, yeah, I mean, you'd have an absolute

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Speaker 4: joy figuring out. And one of the things I think

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Speaker 4: that impresses me about Carter is that he's got great stamina,

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Speaker 4: great stamina, great closing speed, and great finish, which is

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Speaker 4: which makes him special. Like we were saying, there's I

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Speaker 4: believe there's three players that are lead at the top, right,

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Speaker 4: I would put him up there. Travis Hunter is in

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Speaker 4: that same We're gonna talk about him next, and uh,

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Speaker 4: I would view him as a wide receiver first.

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Speaker 3: All right, well let's go there. Okay, why because he

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Speaker 3: clearly was very talented.

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Speaker 4: He's the most effortless wide receiver that I've arguably watched

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Speaker 4: in the last fifteen twenty years really watching film.

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Speaker 3: Who needs you compare to Who else have you seen

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Speaker 3: that's so effortless?

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Speaker 4: I don't That's my point. I don't think I've seen

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Speaker 4: anybody that's of his caliber. He makes everything look so easy. Okay,

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Speaker 4: the difficult catch, okay, you know, one hand out grabs it,

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Speaker 4: no problem, body control, no problem, Okay, subtle push offs,

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Speaker 4: an advanced route running, no problem. He does everything at

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Speaker 4: a level that it's it's ridiculous and that people are

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Speaker 4: having this conversation about he can he play both ways?

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Speaker 4: When you're an effortless athlete, the possibility of playing both

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Speaker 4: ways exists because I mean the way he plays the game,

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Speaker 4: it's not like he's ah, it's smooth and effortless. Where

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Speaker 4: his heart rate Sometimes when you watch him he sit

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Speaker 4: there to go, you wonder if his heart rate even

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Speaker 4: went overall hundred.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, any position that you would call effortless. I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to think this draft, no, no, no, just just to

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Speaker 3: give us a player who's effortless.

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Speaker 1: In the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I played with one of them, and actually last time

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Speaker 2: I was on the show, we talked about him the

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Speaker 2: off the field stuff aside. Justin Blackman was an effortless

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Speaker 2: receiver because there's some guys like take like Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 2: You watch him run routes like he's really chopping his feet,

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Speaker 2: he's really exerting himself. I agree here with Jeff, like

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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, it's just it's like he's not even trying.

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Speaker 1: It's not fair.

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Speaker 2: And Justin Blackman was the same way where he would

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Speaker 2: just go up and make these catches and come down

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Speaker 2: with them, like, dude, you should be like, you know,

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Speaker 2: gritting or whatever you want to do is celebrating.

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Speaker 1: And he's just like, yeah, that's what I do. And

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Speaker 1: I think a Hunter fits that moult.

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Speaker 4: I would I would say that one of the uh,

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Speaker 4: the Sharp brothers. You know, they're not Shannon, but Sterling. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Sterling was a very effortless wide receiver, going a little

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Speaker 4: bit old school, and then had the next issue, which

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Speaker 4: but I mean, he was kind of along those same lines.

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Speaker 4: But obviously I think he's way, way, way more advanced

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Speaker 4: than sternly Sharp is. So I think it's going to

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Speaker 4: be interesting to see how teams view him and how

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Speaker 4: they utilize him, because I don't think anybody can play

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Speaker 4: the NFL truly in a two way capacity. You have

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Speaker 4: to have one be the dominant one and the next

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Speaker 4: one be kind of a supplemental package. And if it

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Speaker 4: were my decision, I would have him as a wide

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Speaker 4: receiver and then find some packages to play him as

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Speaker 4: a defensive back.

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Speaker 1: But Jeff, let me ask you this though.

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Speaker 2: You know, when we talk about finding that group, finding

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Speaker 2: that rhythm isn't it easier to have a package or

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Speaker 2: a couple packages on offense to kind of rotate him

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Speaker 2: in and then get his reps on defense playing cornerback,

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Speaker 2: because I feel like if you come in cold as

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Speaker 2: a cornerback and you're going against Justin Jefferson, you're going

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Speaker 2: against Tyreek Hill. Isn't that harder to adapt as opposed

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Speaker 2: to playing the wide receiver position where you know Liam

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Speaker 2: Cohin's gonna drop some packages for you.

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Speaker 4: I think it's easier to manage it. I think for

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Speaker 4: the way you're talking, I think it totally makes sense.

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Speaker 4: But here's my thing. Do I want to have somebody

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Speaker 4: that's going to touch the ball eighty times.

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Speaker 1: In a season?

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Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense, or.

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Speaker 4: Somebody maybe touch the ball as a defensive back maybe

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Speaker 4: four or five. There's more of a game changing opportunity

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Speaker 4: when the balls touch that many times. So just it's

567
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Speaker 4: like to you, who do you want? You want Jerry

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Speaker 4: Rice or do you want Dion Sanders?

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Speaker 3: Jerry Rice?

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Speaker 4: But Deon's not going to return for you know, I mean.

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Speaker 3: Just as a you know, do you need touchdowns? And

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Speaker 3: listen from the Jaguars perspective, and this team needs touchdown makers. Right,

573
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Speaker 3: I mean, especially with Christian and with Evan gone. But

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Speaker 3: before we get to the touchdown maker, just evaluate Hunter

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Speaker 3: as a cornerback for me, since you talked about him

576
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Speaker 3: being effortless as a receiver, does that translate to the

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Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 4: Also the ball skills, Yeah, from that aspect of it,

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Speaker 4: the ball skills than and also the body control, and

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Speaker 4: he is he's effortless on defense as but it's not

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Speaker 4: as natural, you know, because on offense you kind of

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Speaker 4: it looks more natural on offense because you know where

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Speaker 4: you're going, whereas defense and is more reactionary. And he's

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Speaker 4: got the skill set, make no mistake about it. And

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Speaker 4: he's the best corner on the board, period. But what

586
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Speaker 4: I separate him from the defensive back at Texas and

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Speaker 4: I can't remember his name, who's yeah, Okay, what I

588
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Speaker 4: separate him is the gap like that from Baron No,

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Speaker 4: I think the GAP's closer. But the gap from the

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Speaker 4: wide receivers in this draft to Travis Hunter, it's it's

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Speaker 4: like it's way, it's miles apart.

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Speaker 3: See it the same way?

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Speaker 1: I really do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, especially in the way I look at it,

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Speaker 2: is this the whole goal should be to see what

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Speaker 2: we have with Trevor Lawrence now going forward, right, you

597
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Speaker 2: have an offensive minded coach.

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Speaker 1: You know, we haven't seen the best version of Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence yet.

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Speaker 2: If you put him at wide receiver, that's going to

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Speaker 2: help elevate I feel like the best performance that Trevor

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Speaker 2: Lawrence can give you. So not only is it what's

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Speaker 2: best for the team, but what's best for your franchise

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Speaker 2: quarterback as well.

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Speaker 4: Why do you think that Travis Hunter was in lockstep

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Speaker 4: with sdur Sanders everywhere they went?

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Speaker 1: Do you think Dion's a dumb guy?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, I just think that the biggest issue

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Speaker 2: though going forward, Jeff, is what is that percentage going

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Speaker 2: to look like? Because he's made it abundantly clear. He's

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Speaker 2: been on an interview saying I want to play both ways,

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Speaker 2: you know, and what's like, what's going to happen when

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Speaker 2: it's you know, maybe he's on offense and all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden it's fourth down and he wants to go

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Speaker 2: and you know the game's on the line.

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Speaker 1: Do you put him in there then?

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Speaker 2: So trying to balance him and getting that ratio of

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Speaker 2: offensive defense that's gonna be the change. He's gonna play

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Speaker 2: well regardless of where he's gonna be. Can you imagine

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Speaker 2: that balance?

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine Let's say let's say he is what

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Speaker 4: we think he is right five, Well, it actually would

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Speaker 4: be six years from now. What's his contract look like

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Speaker 4: if this guy is actually not a full time two

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Speaker 4: way player but at least a partial too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what if he has six or eight touchdowns on

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Speaker 3: offense and four or five interceptions on defense.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be monumental.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be groundbreaking because you're essentially gonna be paying

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Speaker 2: for two players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two top level players.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's do this. We'll take a break, we'll

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Speaker 3: come back. We'll hit that third elite level player when

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Speaker 3: now we bring to the one that is being debated

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Speaker 3: in and around North Florida, and that's the running back

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Speaker 3: Ashton genty Without any filter, tell us what you think.

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Speaker 4: I think he's the one of the three best players

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Speaker 4: in the draft. But the question mark I think becomes

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Speaker 4: is do you value that position to that level. There's

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Speaker 4: no debate that he's got speed, he's got vision, he's

656
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 4: got power. He runs throughs more, he runs through more tackles,

657
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: arguably than anybody that I ever watch.

658
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: Here's the number. He had seventeen hundred yards after contact

659
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: last year as part of a twenty six hundred yard season,

660
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: which was more than the next running back had total.

661
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: Amrion Hampton, the kid from North Carolina in twenty twenty four.

662
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 4: Ye and Hampton, I would put him probably at the

663
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 4: bottom of the first second round.

664
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Speaker 1: He's a big guy, so Jude Jenny. I mean, he's

665
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: got the size.

666
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 4: Even though they didn't utilize him as a receiver, he

667
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: can do it when he was asked to do it,

668
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: no problem. He's got home run speed. And I think

669
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: the thing that impresses me is that when you watch

670
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: him and pass protection, which is always a kind of

671
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: a stumbling block for young running backs, no problem. When

672
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 4: the only question mark I think that you may have

673
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: about Jenny is ball security. He had a couple of fumbles,

674
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: you know, in his career, and that's an issue that

675
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: sometimes when that's the only thing you can point to

676
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: is maybe a weakness. Sometimes it gets talked about, probably

677
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: more than it should be.

678
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: He's been compared to Austin, to Barry Sanders in terms

679
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: of production. He's been compared to Ladania Thomason in terms

680
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: of versatility.

681
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: See in that one.

682
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: He scores a lot of touchdowns. So, Christian McCaffrey, and

683
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: then you said Saquon Barkley to me the other day, and.

684
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 4: So I pose this question to you, and I'll pose

685
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 4: it to you, Austin, if if you could draft Saquon

686
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 4: Barkley in the top five.

687
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: Would you do it?

688
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he essentially won the Eagles of Super Bowl.

689
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 2: How can you pass that up?

690
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean yes, So, I mean there's a lot.

691
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 4: I mean, look, and I'm not saying that the Jaguars

692
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: should draft them, yeah, you know, because look, there's some

693
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 4: other great players on the board. I mean, Mason Graham,

694
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: the tackle out of LSU. There's a lot of great

695
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 4: players there. And when you're drafting at five, it's kind

696
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: of hard to make a mistake, although there's been teams

697
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 4: that have done that. But I think Jenny's got to

698
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: be on the conversation just because again, I think he's

699
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 4: one of those three leade players.

700
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: So I've went down a rabbit hole the past couple

701
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: of days because I'm trying to put myself in James

702
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: Gladstone's shoes and we hear the terminology intangibly rich. Well

703
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: what does that mean? So I look back at you know,

704
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: the Rams last draft that he was there, and you

705
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: can look at the quote unquote intangibly rich players. Well,

706
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: who do they take? They take Jared Verse with their

707
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: first pick. Okay, Jared Verse in terms of production was

708
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: the second highest rated in terms of production addresser that

709
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: they could get. Who do they take next? They take Fisk,

710
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: a defensive tackle. Biggest thing about him was a little

711
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: on the short side, had stubby arms, had small hands,

712
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: had athleticism, but didn't really have the size the mold

713
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: to be maybe a defensive tackle the traits exactly, but

714
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: what did he have. He was second at his defensive

715
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: tackle position in production. So then we go third. You

716
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: take Blake Korum. Some people said, we're gonna take it

717
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: in the third round, Blake Korum. You know you already

718
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: got a guy in Henderson there or whatever. They take him. Well,

719
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 2: Blake Korum led the FBS in touchdowns that year. And

720
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: then the next pick then was Kitchens out of Miami.

721
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: If you remember how he all panned out, Kitchens was

722
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: a safety who ran like a four to six, had

723
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: a horrible combine. In terms of athleticism metrics, he was

724
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: like I want to say, he was like thirty or fortieth.

725
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: It was bad. But in terms of production he was second.

726
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: This is the calling card of what the RAMS are

727
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: looking for last year, and that to me is what

728
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: intangibly rich means. So if we're talking about production, if

729
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: we're talking about a guy who can make a difference

730
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: on the field. Yeah, Hunter is one of those guys.

731
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: Carter is one of those guys. But you can't bypass

732
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: Ashton Denthi though, either.

733
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: Remember also, I'm sorry, but remember also what the Buccaneers

734
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: did last year when Liam Gohan fixed the running game

735
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: and took him from the bottom three to the top

736
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: three in Baker Mayfield at the best season of his career.

737
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: That would be very enticing to me. This team needs touchdowns.

738
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting that Austin, you're using the

739
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: word production. Yeah.

740
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: The word that we've heard around here for the last

741
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: few years has been trades.

742
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay and sly smile on your face.

743
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 4: So I mean, I like that word production more than

744
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 4: I do trades. And I think you have to weigh

745
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: more on production of a college player than you do

746
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 4: about traits and trying to fore because that's forecasting, you know,

747
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 4: and nobody has a crystal ball at least, you know,

748
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: we used to have those magic eight balls, right, But

749
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: that's not going to tell you that I still might

750
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: have the proper answer all the time. But I mean,

751
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 4: I think that that's the mindset with James Gladstone when

752
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 4: he talks about intangibly rich. You want to have the production,

753
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: but you also have to have the character that backs

754
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 4: it and surrounds that production.

755
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: So let me argue for drafting genty regardless of position,

756
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: this franchise needs elite players, and you said he's one

757
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: of the three elite players in this draft. They also

758
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: need the difference maker, the culture setter, and it sure

759
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: seems this is a guy who bypassed the chance to

760
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: go make a whole lot more money in the nil

761
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: before his big season at Boise State. He had the

762
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: opportunity that's untangible that makes him intangibly rich. I just

763
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: think this is a franchise. You can try to piece

764
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: it together or you can just build it with those

765
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: blocks of granted that are great players who are great

766
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: people that help you get there. If this is both

767
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: of those, I don't care what position he plays, I

768
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: mean outside of quarterback, because you're so committed there, give

769
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: me this guy. You don't have Christian Kirk or Evan

770
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: Ingram anymore. You need production in the end zone. This

771
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: is the second running back in the history college football

772
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: to have more than twenty six hundred yards, and he

773
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: had twenty nine touchdowns. What's to argue with.

774
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, you can say with Liam Cohen last

775
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: year with that offense, Yes, you had Mike Evans, you

776
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: had Chris Godwin. Yeah, but they at one point they

777
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: were both hurt and they were led on Bucky Irvin,

778
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: who was a fresh face.

779
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

780
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: And by the way, if I look at his metrics,

781
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: look at his athleticism, which was I think he was

782
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: like twentieth over dollars something like that. I look at

783
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: his production, he was top five in production for running

784
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: backs with Bucky Irvin. But my biggest thing is when

785
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen got in front of the media for the

786
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: first time, and I told Brent this, I'm like, listen

787
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: to who he mentions first in terms of the people,

788
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: like the players that he's talking about. He mentioned Brian

789
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: Thomas Junior obviously, mentioned Trevor Lawrence, and he mentioned the

790
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: two running backs. Now he didn't mention Evan Ingram and

791
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: Christian Kirk, And I haven't told Brent, I'm like, that's

792
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 2: not good for Evan Ingram or Christian Kirk.

793
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: If your coach is.

794
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: First press conference he gets in front of there talking

795
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: about the team and he doesn't mention you that's not

796
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: a good look, and lo and behold, Christian kirk Now

797
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: is in Houston and Evan Ingram's in Denver. So it

798
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: comes down to is how much does Liam Cohen and

799
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: James Gladstone like. How much do they like Travistn? How

800
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: much do they like Tang Bigsby? And if you do

801
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 2: get a guy like Ashtroon Genty, then what's the plan

802
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: gonna be? Are you gonna plan on moving Travistn? Is

803
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: Tank Biggsby still gonna be here?

804
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: Those are questions I gotta get asked too. That's the problem.

805
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: You'd like to have figure it out.

806
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: Two seasons ago, Etn gave you eleven touchdowns, so you've

807
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 3: had some production. But he didn't have a really good

808
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: season last year, and you wonder he's playing on a

809
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: five and a half million dollar fifth year option, something

810
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 3: just shy of six million. The counterfactual to this argument

811
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: is that it's one of the better drafts for running

812
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: backs that we've seen in recent years. It goes deep,

813
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 3: but how many of them are elite?

814
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 4: I mean, there's none of them in Jenny's class. I mean,

815
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 4: that's can you get a good running back in the

816
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 4: second round. Sure, you can get a good running back

817
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: in the second round. Are you going to get one

818
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 4: to the level of genty, I don't think so. You know,

819
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 4: offensive lineman, let's say you draft one at five. Could

820
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 4: you get an offensive lineman that's in the same neighborhood

821
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 4: as the offensive lineman you might get at five.

822
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: Probably, So Brandon Linder was a third round pick in seasons,

823
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: you know.

824
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 4: So you know, there's always separation and there's elites, and

825
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 4: those three guys I believe are the elite players. Look,

826
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 4: I think that the quarterbacks have a lot of great

827
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 4: things to offer, but I think they're talked about at

828
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: the top because of the position that they play. Cam

829
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: Ward has some elite throws and elite ability. Should R

830
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 4: Sanders has some elite pocket ability that is very impressive.

831
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 4: But if they weren't quarterbacks, I don't think they would

832
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 4: be talked about in the top of the draft.

833
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: You know, we talk so much about the offensive line

834
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: being fortified to improve the running game. The running back

835
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: can improve running game and make those offensive linemen look

836
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: a lot better too. And I thought, yeah, I'm interpreting,

837
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 3: but I even thought it, maybe heard that from Liam

838
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: Coleman one of his answers where we talked about there

839
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: were some different things we could do to open things

840
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 3: up jet screens, and but that's where I thought, just

841
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: take this guy if he's there for you, because he

842
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: can take the offensive line and elevate its play.

843
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: Well, you know, here's here's a great, great question. I mean, look,

844
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 4: if Hunter's there, and Carter's there, and Jenny's there, which

845
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: one of those three would you take?

846
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, it's a it's a great question.

847
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: You know.

848
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: The one thing I got to help my quarterback about

849
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 4: Jenny that's interesting to me is that he was born here.

850
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, family.

851
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: For the first seven years of his life. Yeah.

852
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so just a little added, little note there.

853
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 4: But but I think if I had to have one

854
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 4: of those.

855
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: Three, I'm taking Hunter. Yeah, agreed, I'm taking Hunter. Yeah.

856
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: You could justify that because it is a good draft

857
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: for running backs and you can find a guy that

858
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: can help you and you have two guys that you

859
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 3: you know, you think can play.

860
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: And he's not going to be there. I mean, yeah,

861
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be there. He'd be crazy if it

862
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: was there.

863
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: Unless teams get desperate for the quarterback in this this

864
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: can happen every single year. But I think in terms

865
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: of tangibly rich, does it get any more tangibly rich

866
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: than Travis Hunter. I mean the dudes like Screet McDuck.

867
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: When it comes to tangibly rich, I mean, he's he's

868
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: got on both sides of the ball. That again, is

869
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: a Brent Martin no kind of reference. That's yeah, No,

870
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: I don't know he would say that, but it fits perfectly.

871
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Speaker 2: We appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, let's talk about other players that

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Speaker 3: you like. All Right, this is Jaguars Happy Hour on

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Speaker 3: ten TENXL and Jaguars dot Com. When we return, we

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Speaker 3: go a little bit deeper into the first rout of

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Speaker 3: the draft, and we're back after this, rolling right along

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Speaker 3: here towards the five o'clock hour, at which point we

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Speaker 3: Brian Austin, Lane, Jeff Logaman here in the Hyundai Studios

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Speaker 3: on ten ten XL and Jaguars and Jaguars Happy Or.

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Speaker 3: He's presented by Dreamfinders Homes, official home builder of the

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Speaker 3: Jacksonville Jaguars. So let's talk about a couple of other guys.

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00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: The most popular name associated to the Jaguars because mock

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00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: drafts take need and marry it with value. And listen,

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Speaker 3: Mason Graham, the defensive tackle from Michigan, Michigan is right

887
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: there right. I mean, he he's a need and he's

888
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: a guy who fits in the top five to seven.

889
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: Now we're not talking about elite level player, are we

890
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: But we're talking about a really good football player, uh,

891
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: really productive football player.

892
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: There we go, there we go. What do you think

893
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: that's the keyword.

894
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: So when it comes to Mason Graham, you know when,

895
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: because let's be honest here, you're bringing him in to

896
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: get up to the quarterback.

897
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: You need himterior push.

898
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: If you want to look at this defense last year,

899
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: one one of the gaping holes was it was interior push.

900
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: You had on the edge, you had Josh hainz Owen,

901
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: you had Treyvon Walker getting home in the backfield, but

902
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: interior wise, it just wasn't there.

903
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: Mason Graham. I think when we talk about breaking down a.

904
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: Pass rusher three phases, there's the get off, there's the

905
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: move area, and there's the finish. Mason Graham has the

906
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: get off and the finish in spades. That's already there

907
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: in my opinion. The move area part is where he

908
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: has to improve a little bit, and that's you know,

909
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: refining the pastors rush moves and things like that. But

910
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: I think if we talk about his background, he was

911
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: a pretty prolific high school wrestler.

912
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: It shows up on film a lot.

913
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: He's got great contact balance, plays with a lot of

914
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: hand violence, which I come from the Joel Cullens school

915
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: of hand violence. I know how important that is. And

916
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: I think he just has that want to. He has

917
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: that attitude, that demeanor that you look for in a

918
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Speaker 2: defensive tackle. Now, size is a question, right, and this

919
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: is where I think people have two varying opinions. I'm

920
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: from the opinion of sometimes you got to put aside

921
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Speaker 2: those preconceived notions of what a defensive tackle looks like.

922
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Speaker 1: He's not built like Jalen Carter.

923
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: He's not built like Jordan Davis, right, But he's also

924
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: taller than Aaron Donald was. Okay, So I don't think

925
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: the size is going to be an issue some people do.

926
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: I think the size is going to be just fine

927
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: for him, aren't The length and everything will be just fine.

928
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: The big thing with him is can you get him

929
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 2: with the coach that can refine his pass rush moves

930
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: a little bit, and if you can, I think you

931
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: have a game change.

932
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: On your hands.

933
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a he's a dominant player, like Austo saying strong.

934
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything negative about him. But when

935
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Speaker 4: you're talking about a defensive tackle at five, the one

936
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Speaker 4: thing that you would like to have, because this is

937
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 4: a passing league now, is you want to have a

938
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Speaker 4: guy that shows that he can be a dominant pass

939
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: rusher that can affect the passing game. And I think

940
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: that's I don't think it's a question mark because he

941
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: can push the pocket, but he's the truly an elite

942
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 4: player in the inside. I don't think anybody would say

943
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: that he's going.

944
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Speaker 1: To be Aaron Donald.

945
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's never been a guy like that, very

946
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: few and far between. But can he be a Chris

947
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 4: Jones type?

948
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

949
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 4: I don't know if I would say that.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's not as big as Chris obviously, so you're

951
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: talking about he doesn't have that lanth and Jones moves

952
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: all over the line, right correct. Could you see this

953
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: guy moving? I mean, he's he a three technique or.

954
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: Well he could play one. He can play a three,

955
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 4: he can play a four, eye, he can play a five.

956
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 4: Is he gonna be a wide you know, wide nine

957
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 4: or or a seven? You know which is outside? You

958
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 4: know you got a true defensive end. That's probably not

959
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 4: where he belongs. But but he's a I think the

960
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: greatest thing about him that I would say he's an

961
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Speaker 4: ultimate competitor. Every play matters, and when you're talking about

962
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: in tangibles, there you go. I mean that right there

963
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: fills the bucket up with this guy, ultimate competitor.

964
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Speaker 2: And people are gonna look at the sack numbers right

965
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: and say it's a little low for my liking. But

966
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: once again, if we're taking in the metrics and everything

967
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: a production, he's first in his class a defensive tackle

968
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: in terms of production, because sometimes it doesn't come from

969
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: just getting quarterback sacks. Sometimes it comes from pressure, Sometimes

970
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 2: it comes from taking on double teams and doing your job,

971
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: and sometimes it comes from just you know, getting the

972
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Speaker 2: backfield and causing chaos.

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Speaker 1: I think Mason Graham can do those things. His floor

974
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: is high.

975
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 6: His way, it's a point I feel like, Yeah, whereas

976
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 6: you know, one of the next best defensive tackles being

977
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 6: talked about in the draft of Walter Nolan from Mississippi, right.

978
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Speaker 4: You know, he's a guy that at times shows dominance.

979
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: Chris Jones dominant dominance, but the consistency, the ultimate competitor part.

980
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 4: If you could morph the two of those guys together,

981
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 4: oh my god, you'd have you know, then you would

982
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: have a guy that would say elite player in the

983
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,479
Speaker 4: draft Adam to the other three.

984
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: I think if you gave him Mason Graham's mindset, he

985
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: would be a top five pick himself. It's just this

986
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: guy's there's a little question of the effort and the

987
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 2: want to.

988
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: So who else do you like? Give me a player

989
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: that if the Jaguars get stuck or if they trade

990
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: back a few spots.

991
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: Who do you like at five?

992
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: Well, no, just let's just say the Jaguars.

993
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 4: I like a lot of players.

994
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: Give me more point.

995
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 3: Okay, we've got six minutes, so let's just say give

996
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 3: me another player you like. Regardless of position where you

997
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 3: are on the draft, who would you like to have

998
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: on this roster?

999
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 4: First of all, I think there's a lot of really

1000
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 4: good edge rushers in this draft. I mean a lot

1001
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 4: of really good edge rushers, and a lot of guys

1002
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: are put at the top that I don't know necessarily

1003
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 4: should be at the top, but I hope they stay

1004
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 4: there because that pushes what I believe, the more productive

1005
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 4: types down to the Jaguars, which you could possibly get

1006
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 4: in round two. For example, the guy at Georgia I

1007
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: think is Michael Williams, right.

1008
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: And Michael Williams and Jalen Walker's the other one, right.

1009
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 4: And I like Michael Williams okay, and then Shamar Stewart

1010
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 4: another guy from Texas A and m where's that word

1011
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 4: at production?

1012
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Yep? Correct?

1013
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 4: I mean if it keeps talking about potential and all that, look,

1014
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: I hope they get drafted in the first round because

1015
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 4: that's going to push guys that have had production down

1016
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 4: the Jaguars in round two, and there's a lot of

1017
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 4: guys to pick from.

1018
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: I think at that position in round two.

1019
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: You've got a guy in Shamar Stewart. I believe it's

1020
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: six seven. I think he ran like a four four

1021
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: or four or five of the combine. This guy is

1022
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: a freaking nature.

1023
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: He is built.

1024
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: I mean, he is built for NFL greatness. But then

1025
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: you watch the film from college and it's like, well,

1026
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: are they not using him correctly? He's not given ever

1027
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: because he didn't have the stats. Now he goes to

1028
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl and tears it apart the one on

1029
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: one Jills. Nobody could stop him. So then it's like

1030
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: you're watching him, it's like, well, then which one am.

1031
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: I gonna get?

1032
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: And am I getting the guy at Texas A and

1033
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: M who for whatever reason wasn't that productive? Or am

1034
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: I getting this guy at the Senior Bowl who was

1035
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: taking prisoners. It's just there's always a risk with those.

1036
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: Type of guys.

1037
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: If you're asking me and how I think this drafts

1038
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: could shake out, Like, listen, Hunter would be great in

1039
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: the first round, Carter would be great. I think they're

1040
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: gonna be there, right, so maybe go Mason Graham in

1041
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: the first round, you go defensive tackle. So then when

1042
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: are you talking about the second round? I'm trying to

1043
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: how about Trevor Lawrence, a guy, a wide receiver who

1044
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 2: I really like a lot. Luther Burden out of Missoo.

1045
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: This is a guy who he's kind of an anomaly

1046
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: because the way they used him. He's super talented, he's quick,

1047
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: he's agile, but all he ran was five yard outs.

1048
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 2: All he ran was slants because they want to get

1049
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: in the ball as much as possible. I think in

1050
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: this Liam Cohen offense, with creativity and motion, you can

1051
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: put this guy in motion, get him open, and he

1052
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: can do the rest. And in terms once again production score,

1053
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: he was third overall in terms of wide receivers. You

1054
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: got Hunter, you got Ted McMillan, and then you got Luther.

1055
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 4: The wide receiver along those lines, the wide receiver out

1056
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 4: Ohio State m M.

1057
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: And who Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about. Yeah,

1058
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: I probably butchered his name as well.

1059
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want butcher which I'm looking for it.

1060
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: Leave it to the defensive play go for it.

1061
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 4: But the one thing I love about him, he's got

1062
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: game changing speed and uh and from what I understand,

1063
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 4: he's he's character wise. He is as intangibly rich as

1064
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 4: there could possibly be when it comes from.

1065
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: A character standpoint. Let me get your comment of guy

1066
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: that I love. I love watching him play the tight

1067
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: end Tyler Warren, who last year was I mean, they

1068
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 3: used him in every conceivable way except putting his hand

1069
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: on the ground and playing left time.

1070
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: He's special. He's special.

1071
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I think he's got to be considered

1072
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 4: uh in the top eight.

1073
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: I've seen him as highest, as high as six, I.

1074
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 4: Believe, and what I consider him for the jack If

1075
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 4: I'm the Jaguars at five, I'd have a hard time

1076
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 4: doing that, just because I feel really good about where

1077
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 4: they are with Brenton Strange and about where his trajectory is.

1078
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 4: Trajectory is gonna go and Warren I see as more

1079
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 4: of that special pass catching tight end. I think Brenton

1080
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: Strange can be that. I would be looking more for

1081
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 4: an inline type of tight end if I'm the.

1082
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: Jaguars and this is not a bad draft for tight ends,

1083
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: I think it's.

1084
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: Some solid players, very solid players.

1085
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: A Mecca ed Buka is the wide receiver that you

1086
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: were talking about from Ohio State them.

1087
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 4: Love them, love them. Guy can take the top off

1088
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 4: the defense, touchdown maker. Pair him with BTJ.

1089
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: Look at.

1090
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: Position that you want to add to here on this

1091
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 3: roster that people aren't thinking of. We're talking about helping

1092
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: the quarterback with touchdown makers, for sure. We've talked about

1093
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 3: a lot of different positions on that side. Where else

1094
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 3: would you and listen, we spent so much time in

1095
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 3: the first round because that's that's where people's interest is. Sure,

1096
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: maybe second round people will go through that, but players

1097
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 3: right wherever they wherever you find them.

1098
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 4: You got you got to get some interior offensive linemen.

1099
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 4: I mean when you're addressing a position like the Jaguars

1100
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 4: did in free agency with this, which is with as

1101
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: much money you got and resources at that position, that

1102
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: means that you've got a glaring need and you're just

1103
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 4: trying to patch it in free agency. Okay, you're not

1104
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 4: solving it in free agency. You solve issues.

1105
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: With the draft.

1106
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 4: That's the lifeblood of every franchise. You can patch it

1107
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 4: up a little bit to get you through, but to

1108
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: truly solve it and address it, you've got to do

1109
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 4: it in the draft. I expect the Jaguars to draft

1110
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: at least three offensive linemen.

1111
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 3: And we haven't talked at all about the secondary, but

1112
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 3: obviously there's a need there too.

1113
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: Without a doubt.

1114
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: If you look at what this defense is going to be,

1115
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: and we have to see it for ourselves first, right,

1116
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: you have to see who you have your personnel. But

1117
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: if it's gonna be kind of like a Vic Fangel

1118
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: type of defense, because this is the coaching tree that

1119
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: it's coming from, you got to have smart, calculated guys

1120
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: in the back end, especially at the safety position, right

1121
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: because you're gonna be asked to play a lot of coverages,

1122
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 2: kind of switch up some things every once in a while.

1123
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: And last year we saw way too many explosive plays

1124
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: out of the secondary. So I think safety and maybe

1125
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: even cornerback could be a huge need.

1126
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 4: For I think safety's right. I think safety is going

1127
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: to be one of the positions that will be addressed.

1128
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 4: And when you looked at Green Bay last year, the

1129
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 4: one thing that impressed me about them they did They'd

1130
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 4: never had what the Jaguars had, which was breakdowns that

1131
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 4: led to explosives. Green Bay never had that. And so

1132
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 4: the hope is is the kay, you've got a guy

1133
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: from that coaching tree and that that mindset brings here,

1134
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: come here to Jacksonville.

1135
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 1: Now you got to get the players deck cute, don't break.

1136
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're done. Who do they pick?

1137
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm taking Graham?

1138
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 3: You who would you take?

1139
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: They say, Jeff, I mean the punters there, but I'm

1140
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: taking I think I'm taking him. Yeah, because that's kind

1141
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: of a cough out we all know.

1142
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: But we're out of time, so I gotta let this

1143
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: one go. I'll be in Green Bay, I'll join you

1144
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: guys next week. Here we go through. Thank you very

1145
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: much and thanks for joining us. Thank you Ev, thanks

1146
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 3: for having for joining us sub and we're back next

1147
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Speaker 3: week here on ten ten xl