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Speaker 1: News contributor and opinion columnist for The Messenger. Joe, it

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Speaker 1: was a big night on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Was a big night. Not shocking necessarily, Tutor, because we

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Speaker 2: saw polls going into it. For you have Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: in Iowa leading Iron DeSantis, a very formidable candidate with

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Speaker 2: a great record to run on from Florida, by something

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Speaker 2: like forty points. And when this was called in thirty

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Speaker 2: one minutes, the Trump victory park, he wasn't even ready

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Speaker 2: to start celebrating yet. They didn't know the call. What

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Speaker 2: happened that quickly, But this is historic. We haven't seen

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Speaker 2: and that happened something like thirty years ago. Bob Dole,

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Speaker 2: I think it was in ninety six So when Trump

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Speaker 2: that despite all the felony counts and despite all the

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Speaker 2: negative press and January sixteen played on a loop, Republican

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Speaker 2: voters are flocking to him once again. And if you're

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Speaker 2: on DeSantis and he went to all ninety nine counties

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Speaker 2: and you have this great story to tell around your

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Speaker 2: in New Hampshire. Nicky Halley and Trump appear to be

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Speaker 2: out today, Trump forty, Halle forty. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: But in the end, this is Donald Trump's nomination to

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Speaker 1: So here's my question for Republicans. Because you bring up DeSantis,

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Speaker 1: it that the ground game didn't work? Is it just

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Speaker 2: I think in the end it was hard to draw

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Speaker 2: to a personality contest, I suppose, and in that sense,

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Speaker 2: And plus Donald Trump. Your remember said that he could

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Speaker 2: for DeSantis, he had to battle all of this. And

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Speaker 2: So particularly DeSantis, I think he lives to play another day,

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Speaker 2: probably in twenty twenty eight. Ronald Reagan lost in seventy six,

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Speaker 1: Right after Iowa, you see vivig Ramaswami, he steps out

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Speaker 1: So now you have Ron DeSantis Nikki Haley. How long

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Speaker 2: Maybe I would bet on Trump if I were in

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Speaker 2: Paul I mentioned before was Trump forty Halley forty DeSantis four.

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Speaker 2: Trump is on his way once again to focusing on

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Speaker 2: the general. I will say Trump's victory speech last night,

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Speaker 2: he was very magnanimous. He wasn't angry Trump. He didn't

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Speaker 2: in the general, which is the charming Trump, not so

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Speaker 2: much the angry Trump. Charming Trump does very well, angry

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Speaker 1: Right, It's almost a return to twenty sixteen. And you've

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Speaker 1: you constantly get the question like attracts people to Trump?

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Speaker 1: And last night I was on TV and people were

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Speaker 1: asking me what attracts people to Trump? And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: He's that guy that you think you can just talk to,

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Speaker 1: I've had this experience. He really is. I when a fuck.

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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, we had something going on

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Speaker 1: he goes, Hey, just want you to know your dad

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Speaker 1: I lost my dad last year. And it's like this,

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing that when you talk about

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Speaker 1: Desantism personality, that is the thing that people see in him.

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Speaker 1: It's not even that it has to happen to them.

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Speaker 1: But you said something about Santas and I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you because you said you think that he could

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Speaker 1: you got the message, you didn't leave. Now we're going

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's a great observation, Tutor. I mean, I'll give

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Speaker 2: you an example of where we've seen this movie before.

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Speaker 2: His name is John Kasik. He was governor of Ohio.

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Speaker 2: He had a sixty something approval rating in Ohio when

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Speaker 2: I'll be totally transparent. Well, I supported early on in

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Speaker 2: was dishonest, right he said that Ron DeSantis was a

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Speaker 2: guess yeah. I think he endorses Trump and then Trump

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Speaker 2: And if Trump wins in twenty twenty four and DeSantis

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. All Right, so we think we've

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Speaker 2: Damn it. I was going to be ultramatic about this.

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Speaker 2: Holland Dixon will be your vice presidential think now, I yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think you. I want you as governor of Michigan,

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Speaker 2: so to stay there. That's fine. Vice president or president

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Speaker 2: one day, certainly. But let's see if I were to

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Speaker 2: make a choice right now, and I don't know if

434
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Speaker 2: it's the right choice. Christy Noms seems to be somebody

435
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Speaker 2: who fits the bill as far as what Trump is

436
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Speaker 2: looking for. He wants somebody who's impossibly loyal, and that's Gnome.

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Speaker 2: She looks good on TV. I know that sounds. Don't

438
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Speaker 2: look at me as being the misogynist, But I think

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Speaker 2: Trump understands that.

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Speaker 1: You know, politics is Alwa says straight out of Central casting, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he gets it. He understands what people are

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Speaker 1: interested in. As sad as that may be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean even even the gal that's running

444
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Speaker 2: his legal team right now. I mean that you're like, wow,

445
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Speaker 2: it always seems to go down that route. Now, I'm

446
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Speaker 2: not saying that's a bad thing, all right, And I'm

447
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Speaker 2: not saying that's the only reason why Christy Nome would

448
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Speaker 2: be chosen. Obviously, she's a very popular governor, red state

449
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Speaker 2: South Dakota. Obviously that doesn't get you anything electorally. But

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Speaker 2: I don't remember the last time you choose the vice

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Speaker 2: president and then he helps you carry a state. I

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Speaker 2: think that's kind of right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that I can see how the

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Speaker 1: Democrats would be looking that way because they're trying to

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Speaker 1: get some of these swing states. But for Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: I think that I agree with you that Christy Nome.

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Speaker 1: She came out and she was like, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to lock down my state. She was strong

459
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Speaker 1: from the beginning on that, and that is something that

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Speaker 1: the Trump base is like, we want someone who is

461
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Speaker 1: going to stand up for us. So she's kind of

462
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Speaker 1: like the female version of him. Now. Granted, South Dakota

463
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Speaker 1: is a much different state. I mean South Dakota is like,

464
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Speaker 1: you know, eight hundred and fifty thousand people compared to

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Speaker 1: other states, so it's different. But people still see her

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Speaker 1: as kind of that warrior.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I just I haven't seen enough of her on

468
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Speaker 2: a national stage. In other words, are we getting another

469
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Speaker 2: Sarah Palin in terms of can she handle the national

470
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Speaker 2: media and all the scrutiny that's going to go into

471
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Speaker 2: her life? Right? I mean, we saw what happened in

472
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Speaker 2: Breck Havanall. They're going all the way back to his

473
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Speaker 2: sophomore year of high school to try to find something

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Speaker 2: on them. So but what I have seen an interview,

475
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Speaker 2: she does seem strong, So I think it's known, but

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Speaker 2: I keep hearing these whispers about Nicky Haley, Nicki Haley,

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Speaker 2: and Trump hasn't gone after her as hard as he

478
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Speaker 2: has other candidates. And that tells me something a little bit. Now,

479
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Speaker 2: the core core Trump supporters like Steve Bannon and Roger

480
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Speaker 2: Stone and some others on the right do not want

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Speaker 2: Nicky Halley anywhere near the vice presidency because they believe

482
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Speaker 2: that she's a warmonger and she's bought off by corporations

483
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Speaker 2: and all these things that you hear. But let's face it,

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Speaker 2: every poll that you see Wall Street Journal, for example,

485
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Speaker 2: you have Halle beating Biden by seventeen and Trump only

486
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Speaker 2: beats him by four. There was another one out I

487
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Speaker 2: believe it was ABC again that shows Haley by ten

488
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Speaker 2: and Trump by four. So she does bring in more people.

489
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Speaker 2: And if the goal is to win, and vice presidents

490
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Speaker 2: don't have a lot of responsibility anyway, Kamala, then is

491
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Speaker 2: it really that bad to have Nicki Haley on the ticket?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so well.

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Speaker 1: And one thing I can guarantee you is it doesn't

494
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Speaker 1: matter what people around him are saying. If he decides

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Speaker 1: that that's the choice he's going to make, it is

496
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Speaker 1: going to start and end with what Donald Trump thinks.

497
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Speaker 1: So and none of us will ever know what that

498
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Speaker 1: is until he says it. Yes, that's just how it

499
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Speaker 1: goes when you're dealing with Donald Trump, which is why

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Speaker 1: I think people love him, because they're like, you know what,

501
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Speaker 1: anything can happen, but ultimately he's going to stand for

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Speaker 1: the American.

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Speaker 2: People absolutely, And you're right, he's his own man, and

504
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Speaker 2: no one's going to tell him how to think. And oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, all these poor Trump people again that

506
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Speaker 2: you see on social media, for example, saying he better

507
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Speaker 2: not pick Haley or what you're not going to vote

508
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Speaker 2: for him, please stop it. He doesn't lose one supporter

509
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Speaker 2: because he has Nicky Halley on his ticket. So those

510
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Speaker 2: are my final two. It's Haley or Gnome. I think

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Speaker 2: it's it is a female. I don't think it's Vi

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Speaker 2: vike Ramaswami. But they will have some sort of position

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Speaker 2: within the administration. But I don't see him being a

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Speaker 2: vice presidential paper. I don't know. It's just a gut feeling.

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree. I think that because Donald Trump doesn't

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Speaker 1: want someone who is him in a different body. You know,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't want somebody to upstage him or try to

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Speaker 1: upstage him, and that I think is what we've seen

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Speaker 1: out of a fake. So I agree with you. I

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Speaker 1: think he'll have a role that will not be the role.

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Speaker 1: But before I let you go, we have to have

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Speaker 1: a serious conversation about the Stanley water bottle.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you bring that up, tutor. Yeah, the

524
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Speaker 2: Stanley water bottle is something that my daughter really really

525
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Speaker 2: wanted for Christmas. And she's like, oh, I want the

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Speaker 2: Stanley Cup. And I'm like, oh, man, you know my

527
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Speaker 2: brother worked for the Devils years ago. I don't know

528
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Speaker 2: how do I get my hands on this thing? And

529
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Speaker 2: then I asked my wife, I go, what's the Stanley cup?

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Speaker 2: That camera? I took her to one game last year

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Speaker 2: and suddenly she loves hockey this month she said, no, no, no,

532
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Speaker 2: it's it's a thing that girls used to drink out

533
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Speaker 2: of around her age. She's ten years old. Like, oh, well,

534
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Speaker 2: who cares? Why do these things go for like ten bucks?

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Speaker 2: I look out of Amazon, forty dollars for this thing

536
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Speaker 2: that basically just holds water like any other kind of

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Speaker 2: cup that you may own. So yeah, we got her one,

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Speaker 2: but now she doesn't like the color of it, so

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Speaker 2: she wants another one. So I have her doing eight

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Speaker 2: jobs in order to earn forty dollars, and that's that's

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Speaker 2: the way it's going to go. I don't give away

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Speaker 2: anything you got to earn in this household. Dude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I agree this. We've had this same thing

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Speaker 1: in our house. It's like for months now, all I've

545
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Speaker 1: heard is I want to Stanley and so our kids.

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Speaker 1: This drives my mom crazy because they have to take

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Speaker 1: a water bottle to school. Like when I was a kid,

548
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Speaker 1: you just were thirsty all day or and then you

549
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Speaker 1: went home. I mean, I just don't remember having to

550
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Speaker 1: carry my bottle with me everywhere I went. But now

551
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Speaker 1: kids take their water bottle to school. So we have

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Speaker 1: a million water bottles in the house. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: you are not going to bring another water bottle into

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Speaker 1: this house. Like I'm done. I opened the cabinets and

555
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: they're falling on me and they're like please, everybody has

556
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Speaker 1: a Stanley, so same, I'm like, okay, let me look

557
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Speaker 1: at this. I was like, what are they made out

558
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Speaker 1: of gold? Like why are they so expensive? This is ridiculous.

559
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Speaker 1: So finally, after Christmas, my mother in law had given

560
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Speaker 1: them money and they went to their dad, and they

561
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Speaker 1: were like, Daddy, could you please take us? So finally

562
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Speaker 1: we said okay, and he goes to the store with them.

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Speaker 1: They come back and he goes. So they all wanted

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Speaker 1: these water bottles. He said. They were all like forty dollars,

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Speaker 1: except there was this one purple one that my one,

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Speaker 1: my youngest, wanted. He said, seventy dollars for water bottle.

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Speaker 1: He said. I looked at her, I was like, sorry,

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Speaker 1: the seventy dollars water bottle is out. I mean, so

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Speaker 1: if you go to certain colors then they get more expensive.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. So then he just couldn't stand this because

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Speaker 1: he was like, I got a research this. How did

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Speaker 1: this happen?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: He says, look at this. In twenty nineteen, the whole

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Speaker 1: company Stanley, they ended up with like seventy million in profits.

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Speaker 1: He said, in twenty two after influencers came in and

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Speaker 1: they had this whole like marketing campaign. But it's kind

578
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Speaker 1: of like a organic marketing campaign here, because it really

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Speaker 1: is these influencers over seven hundred million. Wow, best marketing

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Speaker 1: campaign ever and you.

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Speaker 2: Have four right, so yes, forty forty forty fifty I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean you just spent a seventy I guess maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe you spent on them. You're talking nearly two hundred

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Speaker 2: dollars for something that holds water that it does and

585
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Speaker 2: they don't even look all that spectacular. I don't I know.

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Speaker 2: Guess it just comes. It has a life of its own.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully Stanley is smart enough not to hire a Dylan

588
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Speaker 2: Muldany to be the next influencer. If they want to

589
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Speaker 2: kill the company, that's how you.

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Speaker 1: Do it, right. I don't know what. I don't know

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Speaker 1: who they've hired, but I have Pinterest is doing a

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Speaker 1: fantastic job with little girls because I get these little

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Speaker 1: things from my girls. It's like a picture of a

594
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Speaker 1: bunch of different things in the picture and it's their

595
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Speaker 1: wish list. The only thing that I don't I'm like,

596
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Speaker 1: I have no idea where to find any of these things,

597
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, no, Mom, you just have to

598
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Speaker 1: search for it and find all of these are all

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Speaker 1: the things I want. So Pinterest, I give you props

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Speaker 1: on getting little girls to want to buy more things.

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Speaker 1: I mean, now we have Stanley water bottles and kids

602
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Speaker 1: that are going to Sephora and all of these things,

603
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: like my girls are like, I have got to have

604
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Speaker 1: this wrinkle cream. Mom. I'm like, you're ten, you do.

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Speaker 2: Not wrinkle clean? Are you serious?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yes, yes. The influencer world is very influencing.

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Speaker 1: So this is your How old are your girls? Do

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Speaker 1: you have one girl?

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Speaker 2: I have one girl ten and one boy eight.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The boy puts a little bit of styling gel in

612
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Speaker 2: his hair to make it spiky. I don't mind that.

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00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: That's fine. You got to look good. But if my

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Speaker 2: daughter next year says, instead of oh I want a pony, no,

615
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Speaker 2: actually I want botox, then I don't know. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to rethink this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Just just wait. I'm telling you. It's like nails and eyelashes

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Speaker 1: and makeup. It just happens overnight. So that's your future.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to let you know that. But I

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Speaker 1: will always have you on to give you. See my girls,

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Speaker 1: My twins are ten. But then I have a twelve

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Speaker 1: and fourteen year old, so I have a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a view into your future. It's not pretty.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, really yeah. The Taylor swift up is it's

625
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Speaker 2: innocent enough, it's cute. I criticized Taylor on the air

626
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Speaker 2: one time and I never heard the end of it.

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Speaker 2: You can't you can't talk bad about her. She's swore

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Speaker 2: in front of her future mother in law. I didn't

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Speaker 2: like that very much. She can do whatever she wants, Daddy.

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Speaker 2: She's a billionaire. I'm my god boy, here we go.

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Speaker 1: I know people are always like, oh my gosh, aren't

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Speaker 1: you so mad at Taylor Swift. I'm like, I live

633
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Speaker 1: at four Swifties, so I can say nothing.

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Speaker 2: Go wrong. None sent a bad word about her again

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Speaker 2: on the air.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. Well, I'll have you back so that I

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Speaker 1: can tell you a little bit more about your future.

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Speaker 1: But thank you so much for being on today, Joe Kanja.

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Speaker 2: Tutor pleasures all on the side of the camera. Believe me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and thank you all for joining us on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go

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