WEBVTT - Fire Drill 041: Center of the Storm

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it was a complete no brainer. I had

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere else to play that week of London. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no g Pro Tour event, there was no Corn for

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<v Speaker 1>You Tour event, there was no Monday qualifier. There was

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere else for me to play, and it provided a

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<v Speaker 1>great financial situation for me to be able to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fund my my golf for the next couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>I got thoughts in my head. Can't get John, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>thing what I'm thinking about about thoughts in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't get them out. John, not to think what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about. Welcome back to their Fire Drill podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Alan Schipnuk. I am joined by Ryan French

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<v Speaker 1>at home in Michigan and we have our special guest

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<v Speaker 1>to stay, Andy Ogletree, coming into hot from Alfreda, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>like this. So we want to welcome into Andy Ogletree

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<v Speaker 1>of course US Open champ who's had a US Open

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<v Speaker 1>taking upgrade man, my apologies. Yes, US amateur champ who

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<v Speaker 1>has had a non traditional start to his professional career.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna we're gonna talk about that and his um,

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<v Speaker 1>his dalliance would live golf and where it all goes

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<v Speaker 1>from here. So Andy, thank you for doing this. I

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate you. Yeah, thanks for having me. Guys looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to it. So, so let's talk about the the

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<v Speaker 1>US am A victory. You know, it's obviously a career highlight.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was just played recently and we were

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<v Speaker 1>all tuned into a pretty epic match. It's a very

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive fraternity. I mean, as the years go by and

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<v Speaker 1>you look back on that victory, how much does it

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<v Speaker 1>mean to you in reflection? Yeah, like you said, the

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<v Speaker 1>years of have gone by, for sure. It's uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of old news at this point, and when I

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<v Speaker 1>think back, it seems like such a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>So many things have happened since then. But obviously it's

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<v Speaker 1>just special memories. Um, what a great week, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>opened the door to a lot of opportunities for me.

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<v Speaker 1>So I owe a lot of what I'm able to

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<v Speaker 1>do now thanks to that week. And you know that

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<v Speaker 1>week was That week was super cool. I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to can't wait to talk about it. Remember it a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. I mean, it does touch off this this

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<v Speaker 1>unusual almost like internship. Right, you have to stay an

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<v Speaker 1>amateur to cash in these great exemptions, and it creates

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a limbo. Remember Bryson D. Shambo

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<v Speaker 1>called it an internship when when he was the USA Champion,

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<v Speaker 1>because for me, it locked me in for about another

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<v Speaker 1>year and a half. Um Traditionally, when you win the

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<v Speaker 1>us AM um, it looked like everything was gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>into place, perfect, perfect for me. I won the us

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<v Speaker 1>AM after my junior year of college. I had always stay,

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<v Speaker 1>planned to stay four years and graduate from Georgia Tech UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So I win the U s M after my junior year.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's great. I'm gonna play my senior year. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>play the Walker Cup. All these dates are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>lining up perfectly. I'll play the Masters in November, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll play the um n C Double A championship

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<v Speaker 1>in turn pro, and hopefully play seven events on the

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<v Speaker 1>PGA tour UM that season. I kind of had all

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<v Speaker 1>of that lined up for that summer, and then COVID happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it was March fourteen that the world

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<v Speaker 1>kind of shut down. UM our senior season got canceled.

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<v Speaker 1>They announced all spring sports and n C Double A

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<v Speaker 1>will be canceled starting March fourteen. There's gonna be no championships,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. All that stuff happened, so that happens. The

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<v Speaker 1>Masters gets postponed in November. We don't really know when

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna play any tournaments. I have a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>sponsor exemptions that I can still play UM as an amateur,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously because their direct qualifications for winning the US am

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<v Speaker 1>So those were the invitationals UM Colonial. I could have

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<v Speaker 1>played bay Hill, UM I didn't play because of a

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<v Speaker 1>college event, but I could have played bay Hill and

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<v Speaker 1>then Hilton Head and Memorial. So I played all of

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<v Speaker 1>those UM that summer. So that gave me something to

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<v Speaker 1>play in which was great. And then I waited until

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<v Speaker 1>November obviously to turn pro. And after the Masters, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that it's always a challenge for the U s

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<v Speaker 1>am champ to kind of balance the business in life

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<v Speaker 1>and the opportunities you're turning down. I mean, what did

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<v Speaker 1>you give up by staying an amateur? I mean, did

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<v Speaker 1>you have offers on the table to get turn professional

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<v Speaker 1>right away? Yeah? I mean, obviously I could have turned

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<v Speaker 1>profession on and played that summer. I probably just would

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<v Speaker 1>have moved up my timeline. Um, I would more than

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<v Speaker 1>likely going to get seven events on the PGA Tour,

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<v Speaker 1>and um so I could have gone ahead and taken

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<v Speaker 1>my seven events that summer, and you know, obviously three

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<v Speaker 1>of those were I would have just played the same

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<v Speaker 1>term as I played anyway, um being Colonial, Hilton Head,

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<v Speaker 1>and Memorial. So I would have had those, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I would have hopefully gotten four more sponsor invites throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the summer. But I mean, when it all turned out,

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<v Speaker 1>I basically didn't turn down much to wait until November.

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<v Speaker 1>I just had to wait until November. Um, some some

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunate events happened after November that you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>set me back a little bit and made my route

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<v Speaker 1>much more untraditional. Andy, Just to be clear, like if

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<v Speaker 1>if the Masters was played at its normal time that year,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have played the Masters and then turned pro

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<v Speaker 1>and got seven exemptions as a pro right and then

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<v Speaker 1>obviously like Flee, Yeah, so I would have played the

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<v Speaker 1>Masters in April, I would have played the n C

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<v Speaker 1>Double A Championship at the end of May, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I would have turned pro early June and hopefully played

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<v Speaker 1>seven events including the US Open, and I would have

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<v Speaker 1>been able to play all those as a pro. Just

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<v Speaker 1>for those listening, and then what that would have done

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<v Speaker 1>to Andy's career is he plays those as a pro

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<v Speaker 1>gett non member points. If he plays decent enough, at minimum,

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<v Speaker 1>he's in the corn Ferry finals with the chance to

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<v Speaker 1>get is PJ Tour card or at at worst be

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<v Speaker 1>a full member of the corn Ferry Tour. So the

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<v Speaker 1>timing of COVID and all of those things really obviously

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<v Speaker 1>worked against And in this case, that wasn't just me. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a lot of players earning pro that year,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was no Q school that following fall, so

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<v Speaker 1>everybody was basically in a limbo state for a year

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<v Speaker 1>and a half to two years. It was great for

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<v Speaker 1>the guys that had their tour card already, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was great for the guys who maybe played bad on

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<v Speaker 1>tour and got an extra year, or maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 1>got some guys got stuck on the corn Ferry Tour

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<v Speaker 1>for two seasons that we're going to qualify for the

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<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour. So there was a lot of guys that

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<v Speaker 1>got you know, dealt a bad hand from that that timeline,

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<v Speaker 1>but my situation was definitely unfortunate. So so fast forward

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<v Speaker 1>now that takes us all the way through the end

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand twenties. So you get into early and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have a ton of options, right, what what

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<v Speaker 1>was your making in pro? The week after the Masters

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<v Speaker 1>obviously another special week for me and finished in low Am,

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<v Speaker 1>and that whole experience was so cool. Getting to play

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<v Speaker 1>with Tiger and getting to be in Butler cabin at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the week and all the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>came with that was awesome. It was a great segue

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<v Speaker 1>into me turning pro. Um. I kind of accomplished everything

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do as an amateur, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>everything was unfolding. I was so hopefully going to get

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<v Speaker 1>my seven events on the PGA Tour. I hoped, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had a lot lined up and I played in

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<v Speaker 1>three before having hip surgery, so um, everything was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of still in place. I hadn't lost much at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just basically delayed six months of my prolier

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<v Speaker 1>process um from kind of when I thought I would

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<v Speaker 1>be doing this this step in my career. It was

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<v Speaker 1>basically six months after but played three events and then

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<v Speaker 1>had to had to have hip surgery. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>obviously detrimental. You know. I played those events hurt. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I could kind of tough it out. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe I can, maybe I can at least

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<v Speaker 1>play well in a couple events to get me enough

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<v Speaker 1>points to get into corner pretty finals and then kind

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<v Speaker 1>of go that route. But I wasn't able to get there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't play well in my events. I realized

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't compete against you know, some of the best

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<v Speaker 1>players in the world when I wasn't feeling fully healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I needed to get that figured out, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to had to go have surgery. When did

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<v Speaker 1>you sustain I don't. I don't really for a specific

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<v Speaker 1>day or like a specific event that happened. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that was that moment that tore my hip.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, I had a torn laboram and a cam

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<v Speaker 1>F A I impinchment, so basically extra bone girth around

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<v Speaker 1>the hip socket and all the rotation on my left

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<v Speaker 1>hip over time just tore my labram in half. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was bowling on bawn and it was just I

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<v Speaker 1>was having a hard time walking, much less turning hitting

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<v Speaker 1>the golf ball. So I played. I started the year

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<v Speaker 1>um out at Tory Pines. Played there, played okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>missed the cut. Played batt on the south course and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take advantage of the north. And then the next

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<v Speaker 1>week was a Monday qualifier in Scottsdale, so I went

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<v Speaker 1>from Tory to Scottsdale. I was gonna play the Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was in the next week at Pebble Beach.

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<v Speaker 1>And that week in Scottsdale, I remember my hip just

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<v Speaker 1>killing me. And I didn't Monday, but Alie Snydergean's and

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<v Speaker 1>I stayed out in Scottsdale because it's a great place

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<v Speaker 1>to practice. It's cold in Atlanta. We didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>come home, so stayed out there in practice all week

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, man, my hips just killing me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I get to Pebble Beach the next week

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just I was smoked, not mean, my

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<v Speaker 1>my hip was in such pain, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>suffered through that week and then drove down to l A.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna play Riviera the next week. I was

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<v Speaker 1>in there, and so I get to Riviera and I

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<v Speaker 1>had to withdraw on Monday. And I took like a

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<v Speaker 1>month off before Punta Kana and gave it one lass,

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<v Speaker 1>one last more right, and I just wasn't able to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. So I called my surgeon walking off the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth green, I said, schedule it, um, let's go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and must do the hip surgery. So um, in that

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<v Speaker 1>month between Riviera and Punta Kana, I went and had

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<v Speaker 1>imaging done and he told me, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to have the surgery within a few months.

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<v Speaker 1>He just didn't know when it would be. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you'll know when the time's right. So I

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<v Speaker 1>called him after Punta con insist, I know the times right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it that And I knew if I if

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<v Speaker 1>I had the surgery, then then I could play Q

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<v Speaker 1>School that that year, and that was kind of my hope,

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<v Speaker 1>UM at least be able to play Q School and

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<v Speaker 1>give myself hopefully guaranteed status. UM that was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the goal. A whole time. So that was the reason

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<v Speaker 1>I want to have the hit surgery Andy, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>take us back to just like trying to work through

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, play through the pain, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a very few people kind of understand how

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<v Speaker 1>fleeting in the politics and all the stuff that goes

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<v Speaker 1>on with sponsors, exemptions, even if you're the U. S. M. Champ.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're out six months and it's like quickly

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<v Speaker 1>for people forget who you are. So you're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta take advantage of it. Yeah, that's very well said. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>people forget very quickly. Golf very much a game of

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<v Speaker 1>what can you do for me right now? And you

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<v Speaker 1>know rightfully, so you want to take the take the

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<v Speaker 1>players that are hot, and take the players that, um

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have have done something recently so they're sponsoring

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<v Speaker 1>vites are very hard to get, and fortunate for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I was able. You know, it was soon enough after

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<v Speaker 1>the low am with the Masters that people kind of

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<v Speaker 1>were still remembering me and I was able to get

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<v Speaker 1>all the sponsor invites starting out that year. But after

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<v Speaker 1>hip surgery, UM, it was a little different. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>able to get any sponsor invites and we'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>some of that after after Q school and kind of,

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<v Speaker 1>um what happened after that? But UM, yeah, this, the

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<v Speaker 1>sponsor invites are very hard to get. I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get on the corn Ferry Tour than even

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<v Speaker 1>the PGA Tour. And for reasons we don't. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to. One day we'll tell that story. That's a

0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.920
<v Speaker 1>different UH. There's there's a lot of polics that go

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<v Speaker 1>involved in UH and and those sponsor invites on both tours.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. So. Um, after hip surgery, I was feeling great.

0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.600
<v Speaker 1>I had a great six months recovery and um, everything

0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.360
<v Speaker 1>was looking good. Um, I was playing some good golf.

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<v Speaker 1>I went and my first tournament back was a g

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Tour event September, and uh, I was advanced to

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<v Speaker 1>second stage. So I wanted to play a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of golf before I went to second stage of Q school.

0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.120
<v Speaker 1>I went and played a g Pro Tour event. I

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<v Speaker 1>won that. That was my first event back post hip surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's great. Um, I got a sponsor invited to Sanderson Farms.

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<v Speaker 1>It's near my hometown in Mississippi, and I've known the

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<v Speaker 1>tournament director for a while. He gave me a spot,

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<v Speaker 1>and which I was, you know, obviously super thankful for.

0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I had two events to play before before Q School.

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<v Speaker 1>I got into contention actually Sanderson Farms and had a

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<v Speaker 1>bad Saturday. But I had a really good tournament and

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<v Speaker 1>uh gave me a lot of confidence. Going into Q school,

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<v Speaker 1>I was, I was ready to go. Um, all the

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<v Speaker 1>all the hard work that I've done for six months

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<v Speaker 1>was paying off and everything kind of. I go, so

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<v Speaker 1>here we go to Q School. I get the second stage.

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<v Speaker 1>I lose by one, but play great. I think I

0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.280
<v Speaker 1>shot like eighteen nineteen under par. I don't remember it

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<v Speaker 1>was in in Dothan, Alabama, but uh yeah, so accuse

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<v Speaker 1>school went great. I get the final stage. I pulled

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<v Speaker 1>a muscle in my elbow on Sunday. But right before

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<v Speaker 1>the tournament starts, I play no practice rounds. I go

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<v Speaker 1>get a Cortison shot the night before the first round,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, I just I couldn't swing the golf club.

0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Um somehow I wasn't able to make a lot of

0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.520
<v Speaker 1>puts the first round and shoot a few under. But

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<v Speaker 1>after that it started raining, got super cold, and Wendy

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<v Speaker 1>um Savannah and I just I shot a million finished

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<v Speaker 1>like a hundred at final stage, and I didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>know how detrimental that could be for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the year. So okay, so we're back in Q school.

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<v Speaker 1>How how did you How did you hurt your elbow? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was it was super cold in Atlanta. Obviously

0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.720
<v Speaker 1>in November, you never know what you're gonna get in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was really cold the week before. But I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get some practice in, so I went to

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<v Speaker 1>the indoor hitting bays at Golf Club of Georgia and

0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.720
<v Speaker 1>there's like a little trench in the in the mat.

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<v Speaker 1>But I hit it out there and it kind just

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<v Speaker 1>called it just right. I don't know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, put it just right in the little trench

0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.280
<v Speaker 1>and it kind of just caught my wedge and it

0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:13.480
<v Speaker 1>snapped my elbow and it's it was so swollen, looked

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<v Speaker 1>so gross. Um called my physical therapist that had done

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<v Speaker 1>he had done my hip surgery rehab, and he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, you know, we've spent seven months getting

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<v Speaker 1>you ready for Q school and then this freak accident happens.

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<v Speaker 1>So he rushed me in. It was a Sunday. He

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<v Speaker 1>rushed me into his clinic. He opened it up. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, late in the afternoon. Um, he

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<v Speaker 1>was actually at like his kids volleyball practice or something,

0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and he was like he knew that when I called him.

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<v Speaker 1>The tone of my voice I was, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was in in some serious pain and hurting and whatnot.

0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.800
<v Speaker 1>So he uh rushed me in did some dry need

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<v Speaker 1>link to it? And then he's like, you don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to go to final stage and I'm like, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to final stage. You know, this is all I've

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<v Speaker 1>worked for for the past seven months. And even you know,

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<v Speaker 1>back before that it was you know, I had I

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<v Speaker 1>missed Q school the year before because of COVID. So

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<v Speaker 1>this was like a whole two year cycle leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to this event. And you know, my elbows size of

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<v Speaker 1>a balloon. So, um, I go down Monday morning just

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm gonna go to Savannah. That was my original plans.

0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I called Mac Barnhardt, my agent, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Mac, this is what's going on. He called

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<v Speaker 1>one of his doctor friends, Dr Topper, down in Sea Island. Um.

0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Dr Talps got a practice in Brunswick, so he brought

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<v Speaker 1>me in for imaging on Tuesday and then I think

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<v Speaker 1>I got a Cortison shot on Wednesday to play the tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was icing the whole week. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>walk the course obviously, but I couldn't hit any balls.

0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Dr Talps like, you know, he was like, we've done

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<v Speaker 1>all we can do. Go try and see what you

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<v Speaker 1>can do on Thursday. But he was like, don't hit

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<v Speaker 1>a ball until Thursday and make it any worse. So

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<v Speaker 1>I literally really from Sunday to Thursday didn't hit a

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<v Speaker 1>single golf shot. Um. I didn't know if I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to play, but I knew I had

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<v Speaker 1>to at least hit a shot off the first tea.

0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:10.520
<v Speaker 1>If you hit a shot off the first tea at

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<v Speaker 1>final stage, you technically finished. You can withdraw and finish

0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.399
<v Speaker 1>last in the tournament, but at least you keep your

0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.040
<v Speaker 1>conditional status. If you withdraw before the tournament starts, you

0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:23.520
<v Speaker 1>don't even keep your conditional status. So, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I hit a shot off the first he end up

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<v Speaker 1>shooting a shot. I think I shot like four or

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<v Speaker 1>five when out of the first round, and we were like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go, let's let's see what we can do.

0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:39.080
<v Speaker 1>And then the second round, Um, I went to the

0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.640
<v Speaker 1>other course and hit like three balls out of bounds,

0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:47.359
<v Speaker 1>shot a million. So um, I mean yeah, just does

0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.240
<v Speaker 1>your mind ever go to a dark place and you

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<v Speaker 1>think about how your life had been different if it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't for that little goddamn trench in the map. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it really could. I would have been off

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<v Speaker 1>and running. I was playing so well, um, coming back

0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.160
<v Speaker 1>from surgery, and you know, I was in a good,

0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:07.400
<v Speaker 1>good space mentally, everything was good and yeah, so that

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<v Speaker 1>was super unfortunate. And as soon as the tournament ended,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew I had to find a way to get

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<v Speaker 1>into some tournaments. So I had to get sponsor invites

0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.240
<v Speaker 1>um or I had to Monday qualify. So as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as the tournament ended, I start emailing Bahamas. I started

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<v Speaker 1>emailing um the South American events, I started emailing Louisian.

0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I started emailing all these different places. The lead calm

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<v Speaker 1>down in Florida. I can I've had hours and hours

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<v Speaker 1>of conversations with all of these tournament directors, um tons

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<v Speaker 1>of emails. I was told literally three days after the

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<v Speaker 1>final stage that all of my all the spots in

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<v Speaker 1>my category were already taken for the Bahamas. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how that's possible. Um PGA Tour sponsor invites are

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<v Speaker 1>given out, you know, two weeks ish before the event.

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<v Speaker 1>But somehow my category was already already given for Lee Coom,

0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:09.040
<v Speaker 1>already given for Bahamas, um for Bo Gatar. I think

0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.639
<v Speaker 1>they were already given their's. They probably get them the

0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.600
<v Speaker 1>local guys or I don't know what the deal was,

0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:17.600
<v Speaker 1>but um, yeah it was. It was very interesting how

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<v Speaker 1>that that whole system works. I was told, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>three days after um Corn Free Finals that all the

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<v Speaker 1>spots were already given out, So maybe it's coincidence. Maybe Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, the spots are being sold still, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's just just my ti. Um, that's that's where I'm at.

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<v Speaker 1>Andy first. I mean we can definitely touch on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the exemptions too, but just kind of give people

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<v Speaker 1>to give people a perspective of what finishing a Q

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<v Speaker 1>school was. People think that like you get the final

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<v Speaker 1>stage and you're like, oh, everything's goold and you basically

0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:57.600
<v Speaker 1>have to finish in the top forty. Maybe if you

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<v Speaker 1>missed by one shot, you're gonna get a lot of tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're Andy finished, basically you're gonna get into maybe

0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.800
<v Speaker 1>five tournaments in a year, and they're gonna be you know,

0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.399
<v Speaker 1>not that there's any but they're gonna be later in

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<v Speaker 1>the season and all this kind of stuff. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that was kind of my understanding. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I might get into a couple of events later in

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<v Speaker 1>the year. I thought I might get into maybe bow

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<v Speaker 1>Guitar Panama, because a lot of people don't travel to

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<v Speaker 1>those places. UM. I thought I would get into the BMW,

0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.200
<v Speaker 1>which was, you know, a large field because it's three courses.

0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I thought I might get in a few of those events.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was kind of my hope. But I never

0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.240
<v Speaker 1>got into a single event. Um based off the reshuffle

0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.359
<v Speaker 1>this year and how everyone wanted to play every event,

0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.720
<v Speaker 1>I just never got into a tournament. So UM, I

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<v Speaker 1>was traveling the Southeast and kind of all over playing

0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:51.280
<v Speaker 1>all these Monday qualifiers. UM. I was playing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of many tour events in between. And the season got

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where there was two events back to

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<v Speaker 1>back in Louisiana and I had been talking to a

0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.360
<v Speaker 1>tournament director in Louisiana. I'm not going to say his name.

0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:06.479
<v Speaker 1>I had been talking to the tournament director for one

0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.840
<v Speaker 1>of the events, and he told me you know. He

0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.240
<v Speaker 1>was like, between you and me, you're gonna get into

0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.640
<v Speaker 1>this tournament. We're gonna give you a sponsor invite. And

0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, awesome. So there is an APT Tour

0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:25.479
<v Speaker 1>event right before that event in Louisiana, and I was like, sweet,

0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I'll go to this APT event. Um, this will be

0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:33.520
<v Speaker 1>like a gear up for for this tournament and play

0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.480
<v Speaker 1>that play the APT and then I get a call

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<v Speaker 1>um during that event, I was at the movie theater

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<v Speaker 1>with my my dad actually, and I remember walking outside

0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:51.359
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, hey, the tournament committee pulled, pulled,

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.760
<v Speaker 1>pulled this sponsor invite from me. They decided to give

0:21:54.760 --> 0:22:00.159
<v Speaker 1>it to Ryan Ruffles, And wow, that was just like

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<v Speaker 1>the complete just that was the low point of this

0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 1>whole year because I had finally thought I was going

0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to get a spot to play in a Corner Farry event.

0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.040
<v Speaker 1>And if I was able to play in one event,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I keep telling the tournament directors. I just

0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 1>need one tournament. I don't need a bunch of tournaments.

0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't need three or four. I need one event

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<v Speaker 1>because if I can get in one, it's all up

0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.560
<v Speaker 1>to me. After that point, I can play my way

0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.359
<v Speaker 1>into the reshuffle. I can play my way into you know,

0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 1>full status on this tour, but please just give me

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.199
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to play one event. I'm not playing well

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<v Speaker 1>on the Monday qualifiers mentally, I'm not there. I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not I'm not doing great in them,

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.359
<v Speaker 1>and every every week you gotta go shoot six seven,

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:45.639
<v Speaker 1>eight under part just to get through. So um, it

0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.720
<v Speaker 1>wasn't wasn't doing that, wasn't playing well enough to get

0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.560
<v Speaker 1>in on my own, and wasn't given an opportunity to play.

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.639
<v Speaker 1>So um, that was kind of the low point of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. I remember being just super devastated. I

0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:01.199
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to play another APT Tour event and I

0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.639
<v Speaker 1>called Mac and I'm like, you know, I'm going home.

0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm I'm tired of being on the road. I'm

0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 1>tired of playing these mondays. I finally thought I was

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.080
<v Speaker 1>going to get an event and it got pulled from

0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>me last second. So um, this is just kind of

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:20.119
<v Speaker 1>the low point of this whole year. Um kind of

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.639
<v Speaker 1>stretched for me and I was sitting in a comfort

0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>suitets in Louisiana and my bed's broken and it's got

0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 1>old red carpet and it smells like cigarettes, and I'm

0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:34.639
<v Speaker 1>just like, you know, this is not what I expected,

0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:39.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, my pro career to look like at this point. Um.

0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Not that there's anything wrong with the traditional route and

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.880
<v Speaker 1>grinding it out on Mondays and you know, doing that stuff,

0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:49.119
<v Speaker 1>but it's just not where I saw myself being based

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.399
<v Speaker 1>off the opportunities that I've had, and UM, you know,

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:54.640
<v Speaker 1>obviously good golf could have taken care of a lot

0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 1>of that, but I didn't. I didn't do what I

0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 1>needed to do to get um full status. And whether

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:04.439
<v Speaker 1>that be because of injury or because of whatever, at

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, I didn't. I didn't play

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 1>well enough to give myself those opportunities. So, UM, that's

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.240
<v Speaker 1>something I'm gonna have to live with. But UM, you know,

0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:15.679
<v Speaker 1>I tried, tried as hard as I can, and I

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.760
<v Speaker 1>remember calling Mac and I was saying, you know, I

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>just need somewhere to play, Mac, Um, I need some

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.440
<v Speaker 1>type of start. I need some type of tournament to

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>get ready for that that matters, A tournament that I

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 1>can get out of bed for, a tournament that I'm

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.080
<v Speaker 1>excited to go practice, I'm excited to go play. At

0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:37.400
<v Speaker 1>this point, I'm just like super frustrated with golf. I'm

0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 1>not getting into the Mondays, I'm not playing well, I'm

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 1>not getting into the corn Ferry events, and I'm traveling

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:44.960
<v Speaker 1>all across the country playing these minutes were events trying

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>to make ends meet. So um, it's just it's a tough,

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:52.560
<v Speaker 1>tough road and you know everyone has to go through

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:55.240
<v Speaker 1>tough times at some point. But that was pretty much

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>rock bottom for me, and uh so Mac and I

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of went back to the drawing board. We were

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.679
<v Speaker 1>able to find the International Tour Series for the Asian

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Asian Tour and the they were happy to have me

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:13.879
<v Speaker 1>in the first event in Newcastle, so that was that

0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:17.159
<v Speaker 1>was like the first glimpse of hope for me to

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:19.959
<v Speaker 1>be able to play in an event that mattered. And

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 1>then I was approached for the first for the first

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Lift Golf Tour event in London. So yeah, that's kind

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 1>of where I was at at that point. But let's

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>just back up just a little bit. So you know,

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.919
<v Speaker 1>when when you when you hit rock bottom, that's you know,

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 1>you're now kind of early spring of two thousand and

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty two. You've been a pro for two and a

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 1>half years. How are you, how are you making ends meet? Like,

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:48.400
<v Speaker 1>what what is the financial situation at that point? Yeah,

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's not great because I turned pro um.

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Every equipment manufacturer says money is down because of COVID,

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:04.439
<v Speaker 1>So I don't get kind of the traditional USAM type

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 1>of situation there financially is it's kind of traditionally. I've

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I've kind of heard what other guys have gotten, and

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, numbers were a little down because of COVID,

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:20.880
<v Speaker 1>which is you know, fine whatever, and uh, and then

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I have to take six months off due to hip surgery,

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and that rehab was super expensive. You know, I was

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 1>seeing a really good physical therapist a couple of times

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:33.639
<v Speaker 1>a week. Um, I was spending two an hour on

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 1>physical therapy and I did that for you know, six months.

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 1>So definitely adds up very quickly. Um. I wasn't able

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:44.920
<v Speaker 1>to play any tournaments, so I wasn't able to get

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 1>any equipment money. I wasn't able to get my bonuses

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 1>based off of getting corn for your status are getting

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>PGA tour status, I wasn't able to get any of that.

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 1>So um, yeah, I was definitely to a place I've

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>been playing all these many tour events. Not playing well,

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm spending crazy amounts of money. Um. All of February

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I stayed in a hotel. Every night I played a tournament.

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I think I played nine times before March, ten times

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 1>before March. Um this year, so I was, I was

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 1>traveling the world. I went to Hawaii this year to

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 1>play a Monday qualifier. On Monday, did into Sony. Um,

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I missed the cut by one, finished sixty six and

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>an amateur made the cut, which is a whole another thing.

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.679
<v Speaker 1>But um, so I finished in sixty six and an

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>amateur made the cut and I missed the cut. So

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:37.959
<v Speaker 1>uh in Hawaii that ship cost me ten thousand dollars probably. Um,

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:39.640
<v Speaker 1>you know I can. I can sit here and name

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>name stuff that costs a lot of money all day

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 1>in this profession. But yeah, basically I needed to need

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 1>to play some corn forrer events. I needed to get

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 1>into bigger events. I needed to get full status. Um,

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I was going to run out of money just simply

0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>put I I'm I'm all of my golf by myself.

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, my parents were fortunate enough to provide me

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to go to college and get an education

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>and and you know, play junior golf and do all

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>these great things. And I'm super thankful for you know,

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 1>for everything they've given me, but they're not gonna provide

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 1>for you know, chasing these Monday qualifiers and fund my

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:28.879
<v Speaker 1>golf career, and uh, rightfully so, I mean, you know,

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a crazy expensive profession and uh, you know,

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>some kids are are lucky enough to have endless amounts

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 1>of money, but you know, I grew up in a

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 1>small town in Mississippi, unincorporated community, and we just we

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't have that kind of money to to kind of

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>fund that lifestyle of trying to play professional golf. Andy,

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I have to assume that that part of that once

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 1>you're like kind of you finished poorly at final stage

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 1>efortan injury, and you're playing many tours, and I've talked

0:28:58.080 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>to like a lot of type guys that have gone

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>through what you're going through, I assume that part of

0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the struggle is is mentally is like this is not

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 1>how this was supposed to go. Here, I am playing

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 1>many tours like it's it's obviously golf related, but mentally

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 1>it has to be a struggle like I wasn't supposed

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>to be playing mondays, I'm not supposed to be playing

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>many tours and that I assume just takes time to

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 1>get over to be okay that you're playing g Pro

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>events for sure. Yeah, and you know that's that was

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 1>the conversation I had with Mac when I was in

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>in Louisiana. I just said, you know, Mac, I'm not

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>having fun playing golf. This is not what this is

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>not what I want to be doing. You know, if

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>if this is how golf is gonna be, I'm gonna

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>have to take a step back and reevaluate everything and

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 1>get to a place mentally that I can be happy

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 1>with being at a g Pro Tour event. I can

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>be happy with chasing a Monday. I can be happy

0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>doing these opportunities and look at it more as an

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>opportunity and not you know, I'll pour me um and wherever,

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever state I'm in playing a Monday. So yeah,

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a hundred percent mental. And if you

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>can get to a place where you know you're you're

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>happy to be there, and you're thankful for the opportunity

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and you're looking forward to it, and you know all

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>these things, you can you can play some good golf

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and get on, you can turn your career around pretty quickly. Um.

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>It only takes one good week in golf. And uh,

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I think you know, we've seen that over and over again.

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Cameron Young was exactly where I was in a hotel

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know wherever playing Monday qualifiers a year and

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 1>a half ago. So it can happen really quickly. Um,

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>is what we've we've learned from from guys like that.

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:45.479
<v Speaker 1>But I just I wasn't to that place yet. So

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 1>when when you went over to the International Series events

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>over in England, did did you, in the back of

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>mind think it might be an audition for Live Golf.

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of an audition. I mean I knew that

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>they were gonna have some spots in the first live event.

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna come from that first International series, so um.

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 1>But when I when I left to go to the newcast,

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>already knew that I was going to play um the

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 1>next week in London. Okay cool? And so when that

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>offer was presented to you for live I'm based on

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>everything we've heard up to this point, it's obviously a

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 1>no brainer. You need somewhere to play golf. I needed off.

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>That's that's the bottom line, it wasn't about I mean,

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I know everyone said it's not about the money. The

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>money is definitely great money for you, and you need

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 1>to play. It's somewhere to play, and it provided great

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>financial situation for me to be able to you know,

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>fund my my golf for the next couple of years. So, um,

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>for me, it was a complete no brainer. I had

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>nowhere else to play the that week of London. There

0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>was no g Pro Tour event, there was no corn

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>for Tour event, there was no Monday qualifier. Um, there

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 1>was nowhere else for me to play. Literally, So you know,

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>I had an opportunity to play in a golf tournament

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and I took it. If that would have been an

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>International Series in Singapore like I just did two weeks ago,

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 1>I would have gone. If it's the Colorado Open like

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I just did, I would have gone. You know, the

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>week after the first live event, I went and played

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>a g Pro Tour event. You know, I need to

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 1>play golf. It's like, it's it's pretty simple. I didn't

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>get in a single event on the corn Ferry Tour.

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I've never played a corn f Tour event, and um, yeah,

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>I just I didn't have an opportunity to play, so

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I needed somewhere to play. Was there anyone in your

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>in your orbit who cautioned against it because of discomfort

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>where the money was coming from, or knowing that it

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 1>was going to complicate your path back to the PGA

0:32:55.600 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Tour potentially? Um, definitely not an issue you about where

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the money was coming from. I think that was more

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>so just the only defense um the tour had based

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 1>off this other tour at the time. Um, you know,

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 1>whatever it was for me, I just kind of did

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 1>my own research and talked to the smartest people I know,

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>and everyone said, Saudi Arabia is now out of the

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>United States, and they supported me fully with whatever I

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do. So, um, you know, friends and family,

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>I talked to them, consulted them, what do you think

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 1>are you gonna think of me any differently? And no one.

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Everyone said, dude, go chase your dream, go play golf.

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of what I went with. So UM,

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone around me had any uh, had

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 1>any issues with the whole thing. And I don't think

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>anyone thought that my route to the PGA Tour would

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 1>be um any different because of this. No one really

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 1>thought that I could be suspended, um, based off of

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the status that I had. I had a conditional status.

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I basically paid to get status. I paid to have

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the ability to be suspended. That's kind of where I

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.919
<v Speaker 1>was andy too to that point. You know, I've talked

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 1>to a lot of players, obviously, I cover a lot

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 1>of guys like yourself, and I think the majority of

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I talked to him about, you know, Chase or yourself

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>or more envious They that you guys had the opportunity

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 1>than than mad that you took it. Uh, what's kind

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 1>of your What has been your feedback from players? Everywhere

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 1>I go, players are like, my gosh, dude, They're like, yeah,

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 1>we would have loved to do the same thing. Um,

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>everyone says. Everyone keeps asking me why I'm not in

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>a lawsuit against the tour um. Everyone keeps asking me

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:57.920
<v Speaker 1>or keeps telling me, I have the best You've got

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:00.120
<v Speaker 1>the best case ever, like you, you didn't even have

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 1>status and you guys suspended and blah blah blah. And

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm just I'm not a guy that likes controversy.

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I never have, I never will. I'm only I mean

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 1>not only I'm suspended until December UM from PGA Tour,

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Corn for a Tour, PGA Tour Canada, PGA Tour Latin America. Um.

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Everyone thinks that I'm suspended for life because I was

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 1>put on the the same list that came out as

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>everyone else. UM, you know, I don't. I don't really

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:32.839
<v Speaker 1>agree with how my name was was put out there

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 1>with everyone else. UM, guys that chose I lived tour

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.799
<v Speaker 1>events over a PGA Tour event that were they were

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 1>exempt into PGA Tour events, they were exempt into all

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:46.240
<v Speaker 1>these things. I had no exemptions. I had no tournament

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:49.240
<v Speaker 1>to play, UM I had. I was. I was chasing

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Monday qualifiers. So UM, I didn't like that I was

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>grouped into this category of of guys that kind of

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>rebelled against the tour or chose a different path. I

0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't choose a path. I just chose to play in

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the golf turn of it. So, UM, you know I didn't.

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't love how that was handled. But hopefully, hopefully

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:08.280
<v Speaker 1>we'll be able to have a conversation at some point.

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be in a lawsuit against the

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:13.439
<v Speaker 1>tour as of now. I just I don't I don't

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>want to go that route. Um, I've taken enough backlash

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 1>from all the things from from playing the first live event. Um,

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I've had people send me hateful, hateful, hate, hateful things

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>basically every day for months. I've gotten crazy amount of

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>backlash just for playing in a a golf tournament. Um. And

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of all um comes from the tour

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 1>and uh, the tours stance against live golf, so kind

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>of where I'm at. Yeah, I mean that that's powerful. Um,

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 1>But before you decided to play in live London, did

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 1>you have communication with the Where did they did? I

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>called called the corn for your Tour player relations and said, look, um,

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm gonna probably go play in this Asian Tour

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 1>International Series in Newcastle and I kind of started with

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 1>that and they were like, yeah, we'd be happy to

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>give you a media rights rights release. UM, go ahead.

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 1>They're like we'll send you the link, you just fill

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>it out, you say what tournament you're gonna play, and

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna get approved. I was like, okay, cool. I

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm also thinking about playing the live event

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the next week. Um, can you tell me if I'm

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 1>going to be suspended if I play that? Or can

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:36.239
<v Speaker 1>you tell me if I'm going to get approved for

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>a media rights release, and they basically not. Basically they

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 1>told me every media rights release is looked at in

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>its own microscope. They said, every player situation is different,

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 1>every tournament's different. You know, we're we're definitely threatened by

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>this Lift Golf series, but we look at every single

0:37:55.520 --> 0:38:01.320
<v Speaker 1>media rights release in its own um, in its own classification.

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, Okay, you know that sounds kind

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:07.919
<v Speaker 1>of promising. Maybe maybe they'll tell me that I don't

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>get a discount on Monday qualifiers anymore. Maybe they'll tell

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>me something. I don't know. I didn't really know what

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 1>the the suspension for me would look like. I figured

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 1>there would be some type of consequence just because you can't.

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I understand, you can't reap benefits of both tours, but

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't really reaping a benefit. I was reaping a

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 1>benefit on Monday qualifiers and TBC sugar offer membership, so um,

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 1>that was that was all I was receiving from the

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 1>corn Ferry Tour. So I thought, maybe that might be

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 1>taken away, but you know, surely they'll let me keep

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:45.799
<v Speaker 1>playing Monday qualifiers or whatnot. Um. But anyway, after I

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 1>teed off in Newcastle Are in London. I opened my

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>phone and I had denied me Right's release for for

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 1>lip Golf London after I had already teed off. So

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 1>it was this is a crazy time. I mean, you

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:07.320
<v Speaker 1>know that's what they And I'm not trying to speak

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 1>out against the PGA Tour at all. I want to

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.759
<v Speaker 1>get that clear. Um. Growing up the PGA Tours where

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to play. It's all I ever wanted to

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 1>do was to be on the PGA Tour. And um,

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I would still love to play the PGA Tour. I

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>would love to play the Live Tour, I would love

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>to play anywhere. I just want to play golf. I

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:28.719
<v Speaker 1>love playing golf. UM, I love competition, I love you know.

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:30.720
<v Speaker 1>I just want to be one of the best players

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 1>in the world. And that's all that I've want to do.

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>So um everything I do from the time I wake

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>up every single day is to try to get better

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:41.839
<v Speaker 1>at golf and see where, see where this game can

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:45.719
<v Speaker 1>take me. So um that's all that's all I'm trying

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:49.319
<v Speaker 1>to do. And UM, I hope the I hope, I

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 1>hope we can have a conversation with the tour at

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 1>some point and just you know, talk about my situation.

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 1>I didn't appeal. I don't see a reason to appeal. Um.

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I think we just need to sit down and have

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 1>a conversation and say, you know, I don't understand why

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I am suspended from a tour I never played on,

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 1>and a tour that I paid to get status on.

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Because let's say I'm missed at second stage. Let's say

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't get the final stage, I have no status,

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and then I go play a Lift Golf Tour event

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and the corn Ferry Tour couldn't ban me, couldn't suspend me. Um.

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:29.839
<v Speaker 1>So let's say I don't get to final stage, don't

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.279
<v Speaker 1>finish the hundred, Okay, I have no status. I go

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:35.439
<v Speaker 1>play live the first event, and then I come back

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>in Monday qualify, and when the first corn Ferry event,

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I'd be playing the Live Tour and playing the PGA

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Tour at the same time. That's how it work would work.

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 1>So I basically, because I went to corn Ferry Q

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:50.319
<v Speaker 1>school and made it to final stage, I had the

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 1>ability to be suspended from the Cornferry Tour. So it

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>just that doesn't make sense to me. I wish that

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 1>scenario that you just laid out had happened, that would

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 1>have been so glorious that us literally could have happened

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>if I didn't make it the final stage. So that

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:11.280
<v Speaker 1>that's a that's amazing. So when when you were invited

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>to play agreed to play live London, was it was

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 1>it just a one off? Was there any promise made

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:21.760
<v Speaker 1>going towards future live events and or the national series?

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 1>What was the arrangement for you? Yeah, so I can

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 1>play International series um or the rest of this year

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>for sure and possibly next year as well. So um,

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.959
<v Speaker 1>that gave me guaranteed place to play this year, gave

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 1>me some events to play. Um, you know, I got

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.440
<v Speaker 1>to play. I got to play the last two International

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:47.839
<v Speaker 1>series as well. I just got back from Asia, my

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 1>first trip to Asia, which was awesome. UM. I went

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 1>over and played in Singapore and then I went and

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 1>played in j Ju Island, South Korea, so getting to

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 1>play two events over there. UM I was treated great.

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:02.399
<v Speaker 1>The golf courses are awesome. I was able to they

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 1>had physical therapist on site, which is definitely a plus

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 1>for me. Um. International travel is is pretty tough. So

0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 1>UM I was able to have physical therapist on site,

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>people working with me every day and I was able

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 1>to play really well, finished fifteenth over there. Uh the

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 1>second week, had a chance to win on Sunday, but

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I had a bad back nine. But just to be

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 1>in contention again playing in a golf tournament, Um, playing

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.720
<v Speaker 1>in an an event that matters, a four day event

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 1>and with world ranking points and a nice, nice purse

0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 1>was was awesome. So I'm looking forward to I have

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 1>four more of those this year, so looking forward to those,

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and uh, yeah, just try to keep keep getting in

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>tournaments and seeing where I can play. Basically, have like

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 1>a month and a half off right now because the

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 1>next international series until the first week in November in Morocco.

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>So um, I'm just trying to find somewhere to play

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 1>right now. Andy, Is it is it hard to you know,

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of back to the mental side of of it.

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Is it hard to kind of black out the politics?

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's like you're trying to get back and

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 1>have an opportunity at Q School, You're dealing with the suspension.

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Is it is it hard to kind of just go

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>to South Korea or go to Singapore and just try

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 1>to make it a normal tournament week or because of

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the stuff you've dealt with leading up to this stuff.

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:23.479
<v Speaker 1>Is he kind of learning to block this this ship out,

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, and just teat up to be able to

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 1>go over there. It's almost refreshing because I never had

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 1>a single interview. Um my phone was barely working. I

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:35.719
<v Speaker 1>was on the other side of the world. Everyone here's

0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 1>a sleep. I've deleted Twitter, I've deleted Instagram, I don't

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:44.719
<v Speaker 1>have I don't have access to all this stuff anymore. So, UM,

0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I've kind of I've kind of learned to block that

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that politics and uh negativity out of the world. So, UM,

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 1>I think it's kind of a blessing in disguise for me,

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 1>is learning how to block things out and learning how

0:43:56.120 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 1>to how to deal with adversity, and um, you know,

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 1>my college coach of Georgia Tech always said, how do

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 1>you need how do you eat an uh an elephant?

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:07.239
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I don't know how do you eat

0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:10.800
<v Speaker 1>an elephant? He's like one bite at a time. So uh,

0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:12.839
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of that's kind of what we're doing right now.

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 1>We're just trying to eat an elephant one bite at

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a time. We're trying to play some play some golf

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and get a little bit better each day. Um. You know,

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I think eventually all this talk about live golf we'll

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of subside, and uh, it'll just be another tour

0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:32.319
<v Speaker 1>that people play on. And you know, that's just how

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be. I think they're they're here to stay.

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:40.399
<v Speaker 1>They have unlimited, unlimited resources, unlimited funds, and uh, when

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 1>you have unlimited resources and unlimited funds, it's it's kind

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 1>of easy to be successful. So, UM, we'll see, We'll

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:52.359
<v Speaker 1>see what happens. I think. Uh, I just I would

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 1>love to play and play golf anywhere. Um, I'm gonna

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 1>keep playing these international series for now and then do

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>my time. I'm so to speak until my suspensions over

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 1>from the corn Ferry Tour. You deleted social media because

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 1>of the live backlash. Yeah, I mean every day that

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I opened my phone on Twitter, it was just crazy

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:21.400
<v Speaker 1>amounts of tags and comments. Um, just painful, painful things,

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 1>and I just got tired of seeing it. Yeah, I

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>get that. Um, I don't think that casual golf and

0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 1>understands how important the International series and Asian Tour is

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 1>to live golf. Um, it really be is going to

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 1>become a feeder system. And they've been a little scarce

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 1>in the details, but there's gonna be a way next

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 1>year for players to play their way on to Live

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Golf through the International Series. Can you bring that to

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.160
<v Speaker 1>life a little bit for the listeners. Yeah, So basically

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 1>the International Series. For the first live event, they had

0:45:56.800 --> 0:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>eight players from the Asian Tour that were basic leg

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 1>taken from the Asian Tour to the Lift Golf, so

0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 1>they had a certain amount of International Series exemptions based

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>off prior order of merit on the International Series, So

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 1>I think there was like three guys from that, and

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 1>then I think they took five guys from the first

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Internationals or the International Series Newcastle, so if you finished

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 1>top five at Newcastle you were able to get in,

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:27.040
<v Speaker 1>and then the top three on the order of merit

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:31.440
<v Speaker 1>before that. So the second event in Portland, I think

0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>they took six, so they dropped that down to six,

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and then for Bedminster, I think they went down to

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>three and that's where they're going to keep it at.

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:43.440
<v Speaker 1>So top three on the current order of merit um

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:45.239
<v Speaker 1>the rest of this season we'll get in to Live

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Golf event and then at the end of the year,

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that those three players will be exempt

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 1>on the live for the next year. I mean that

0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 1>becomes an important point because one of the criterias to

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 1>get world ranking points is you have to be an

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 1>open tour which you can play your way on and off.

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:06.440
<v Speaker 1>It can't just be all invitation. So that's how that's

0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.000
<v Speaker 1>where this comes in from from the golf standpoint is, hey,

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you have the ability to play your way on. Now,

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:12.359
<v Speaker 1>it's not a huge number of spots, but it's also

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:15.680
<v Speaker 1>they're just small fields, so that that is what it is. Yeah,

0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:18.840
<v Speaker 1>those International series are pretty cool. Uh. This year, I

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:20.799
<v Speaker 1>think they're anywhere from one and a half to two

0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:23.759
<v Speaker 1>million persons, and then next year they're anywhere from two

0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:26.240
<v Speaker 1>to three million persons. And next year they're talking about

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:29.919
<v Speaker 1>they said between twelve and fifteen events. That's what they're

0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.319
<v Speaker 1>gonna have next year on the International series. So that's

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's a lot of events. And uh, I

0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:37.479
<v Speaker 1>think that's ah, that might be the biggest threat for

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the PGA Tour is the International Series and the Asian

0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Tour because I mean, you look at I have a

0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of friends playing up in Canada right now. I

0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of friends that that play Latin America

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 1>or corn very even and there's guys losing money playing

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:57.600
<v Speaker 1>good golf every week, and uh, that's definitely a problem

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.759
<v Speaker 1>for the PGA Tour. And I think, you know, we're

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 1>seeing half a billion dollars being released to the PGA Tour,

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 1>but nothing's being released up to PJ Tour Canada or

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:12.120
<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour Latin America are the corner ferry tour. So

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I think you're gonna see some some guys say, you know,

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:16.719
<v Speaker 1>I can go make a living play in the Asian Tour.

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I can't make a living playing PJA Tour Canada. Yeah,

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go do that. So, um, you know, the

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 1>stars are on the PGA Tour are being protected right

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:30.120
<v Speaker 1>now and they're they're definitely being awarded great compensation. But

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:33.359
<v Speaker 1>the future starts the PGA Tour definitely, uh, definitely not

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:36.440
<v Speaker 1>reaping those benefits right now. What was what was the

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:39.959
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere like at this International Series event, if just competitively

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 1>course set up, What did it feel like? You've played

0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:45.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different events now in different circuits, but

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 1>what would you compare it to really big golf courses,

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 1>like championship golf courses. Um, which is great, That's what

0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:54.839
<v Speaker 1>I love to see, Um, any any tour that I've

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:57.239
<v Speaker 1>played on, you want the course to set up hard,

0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you want the pen set up hard. Do you want

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:02.359
<v Speaker 1>to set up like so to a tour event? Um?

0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:04.839
<v Speaker 1>And they were definitely set up that way. They had

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:09.080
<v Speaker 1>some good spectators, came out, decent crowds, nothing crazy, but

0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 1>over there, the Asian Tour is a big deal. Um,

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:15.640
<v Speaker 1>it's it's shown on TV all the time. They had

0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:21.360
<v Speaker 1>pretty good media following. Um. Interview rooms and in the

0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 1>locker rooms were taking care of really nice. They had

0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:30.520
<v Speaker 1>three physical therapists on site at at both events. Um,

0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, really good facilities, driving range, chipping green, putting green. Uh,

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:39.560
<v Speaker 1>greens were good. Courses were long and hard, and the

0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:42.279
<v Speaker 1>competition was pretty good. Scores scores were actually a lot

0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:45.160
<v Speaker 1>lower than I thought they'd be both of both weeks.

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 1>So you know, I think it's I think it's a

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 1>great thing. And you know, unfortunately, the I don't know

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:55.759
<v Speaker 1>if you guys have seen, but the PGA Tour just

0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:59.120
<v Speaker 1>changed the world ranking points for Asian Tour. So that

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:05.640
<v Speaker 1>was that was kind of another another blow for for

0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:08.799
<v Speaker 1>lift golf is these players thought that they could go

0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:12.000
<v Speaker 1>play Asian Tour International Series and keep their world ranking up.

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Read was very outspoken about you know, kind of

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:19.480
<v Speaker 1>his his he was going to support that, and he

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:23.799
<v Speaker 1>went and played in Singapore for that reason. And as

0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:26.480
<v Speaker 1>soon as Patrick Read played in Singapore, the world rankings

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:30.360
<v Speaker 1>became the same world ranking almost the same as PGA

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Tour Canada. And there was like, I don't even know

0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:35.400
<v Speaker 1>how many top one fifty players in the world at

0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:38.480
<v Speaker 1>this Asian Tour event, and there was, you know, the

0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:40.560
<v Speaker 1>strength of field was a little bit different. And you've

0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:42.520
<v Speaker 1>got the same amount of World ranking points for PGA

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Tour Canada now as you do Asian Tour. So that's

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 1>just you know, I guess the PGA Tour on official

0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:52.719
<v Speaker 1>World Golf rankings, So that's just how it's going to be. Well,

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:55.200
<v Speaker 1>they don't, but they have an influence on it for sure.

0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 1>And the World ranking is its own independent body. But

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Jamnahan sits on the board, and you know, so does

0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:07.880
<v Speaker 1>so does the guys who run the RNA PD of America.

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:09.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's kind of the five Families of golf.

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.120
<v Speaker 1>So there's they have a lot of history and a

0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:16.439
<v Speaker 1>lot of ancestuous relationships. So the tour theoretically is only

0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:22.239
<v Speaker 1>one voice, but um, you know the obviously the old

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Guard has kind of rallied around each other. So it's, um,

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting scenario. Those world ranking points are gonna be

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 1>super slim. You're not gonna be able to play your

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:34.319
<v Speaker 1>way into the top fifty in the world and play

0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:37.279
<v Speaker 1>your way into majors and things like that. So that's

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:40.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna be unfortunate for the Asian Tour. But the purses

0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 1>are going up, and I think you'll see the competition

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:45.400
<v Speaker 1>start going up to a lot of the lift players.

0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:48.360
<v Speaker 1>In their contracts, they're gonna have to play a certain

0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:54.200
<v Speaker 1>amount of various events. So um, you'll see those international

0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:57.640
<v Speaker 1>series start becoming more and more prevalent. So Ryan, how

0:51:57.960 --> 0:51:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I know you have to go and pick up your kids,

0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:01.960
<v Speaker 1>but I keep Andy a little bit longer. But before

0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you go, like just what does this mean to the

0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:07.759
<v Speaker 1>new world order of golf? When you have in the

0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:11.040
<v Speaker 1>National Series has a three million dollar pers Asian Tour

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:14.160
<v Speaker 1>has a five million dollar purs where where does this

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:18.279
<v Speaker 1>fit into the overall structure of competitive golf as people

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.480
<v Speaker 1>are trying to get to essentially the big leagues, which

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.480
<v Speaker 1>we can all agree is now the PG Tour and live. Yeah,

0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, uh, Andy touched on it and Andy, and

0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Andy knows it, uh, you know better than I do,

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:31.080
<v Speaker 1>as he's a player. But just talking to all sorts

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of players, you can't make a living in the Latin

0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:35.479
<v Speaker 1>American tour, you can't make it living in the Canadian tour,

0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:39.759
<v Speaker 1>and those tours have basically killed many tours back in

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the United States. So the g Pro Tour is a

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 1>very good tour, but you win ten thousand dollars for

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.759
<v Speaker 1>winning it. There's no Hooters Tour, there's no there's no

0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:50.000
<v Speaker 1>real many tour in the United States that you can

0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:52.759
<v Speaker 1>make a living outside of winning ten times in a

0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:56.439
<v Speaker 1>year or five times in a year. So I mean,

0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:59.759
<v Speaker 1>just like Andy, there's a thousand players that just want

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:03.719
<v Speaker 1>to make a living. And the International Series, I think

0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 1>you'll see a lot of people at European Q School.

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I think you'll see a lot of people at Asian

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Q School. They just want a place to play. That's it,

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:17.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, Uh, And you know, I know Andy, it's

0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:20.600
<v Speaker 1>it's impossible. In the social media world, I get a

0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:23.279
<v Speaker 1>hundred comments and one bad one and I'm like, oh,

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:25.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the one I fixate on. For the most part,

0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:27.799
<v Speaker 1>all the people I talked to, no one's mad. I know.

0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you've got plenty of messages saying differently. I

0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:36.840
<v Speaker 1>just think overall, the support for players like Chase Keepka

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:42.080
<v Speaker 1>or Andy playing on live is far overwhelmingly supportive in

0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:45.120
<v Speaker 1>the majority of what lived golf is. So I think

0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:47.799
<v Speaker 1>the Asian Tour is going to change the game. You

0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:51.560
<v Speaker 1>only see the comments that are bad, but I have

0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:53.640
<v Speaker 1>had I have had a lot of support from players

0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:58.319
<v Speaker 1>and people that really understand golf. Anyone, anyone who's been

0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 1>in my position before completely understands playing opportunities and somewhere

0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 1>to play golf. So um, I have to have to

0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:09.440
<v Speaker 1>keep reminding myself that, for sure, Andy, I gotta get

0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 1>out of here and get my kids from the school bus. Uh.

0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:16.480
<v Speaker 1>All the best, dude, and um and I look forward

0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to seeing what your career does from here. So well,

0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the best. Thanks for being on man. We don't need

0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:22.919
<v Speaker 1>Ryan anyway, He's dead weight. Get out of here. Ryan,

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.160
<v Speaker 1>It's Graham. You know I love you. Go don't don't,

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:28.839
<v Speaker 1>Mr school bus. You gotta run along now, run along. Um.

0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, just to bring this to life a

0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:37.800
<v Speaker 1>little bit. I'm looking at the results from like from Singapore. Um,

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the event you played in a few weeks ago. I

0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:42.440
<v Speaker 1>mean the winner took home two D seventy thousand dollars

0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and that that person was one point five, so that

0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:47.960
<v Speaker 1>that you know, if it was it's gonna go up

0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:52.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot from there. That's real money. I mean I finished,

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:55.279
<v Speaker 1>I think I finished fifties six tip for fifty six

0:54:55.400 --> 0:55:02.520
<v Speaker 1>in Singapore and made like we're is better than second

0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:05.399
<v Speaker 1>place in a g PRO. I know, we keep talking

0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:07.720
<v Speaker 1>about the g Pro Tour event. G PRO is awesome.

0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:09.839
<v Speaker 1>I love I love that tour. It's it's a cool

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.160
<v Speaker 1>place to play. But I mean that's more money than

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:16.400
<v Speaker 1>a second place in the g PRO. I finished T

0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:19.680
<v Speaker 1>fifteen with ten people the second week and made over

0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:23.560
<v Speaker 1>eighteen thousand, which is you know, that's that's real money.

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's enough money to pay for travel and

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:28.680
<v Speaker 1>make a little bit of money. And if you can

0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 1>break break even, um playing on anywhere besides PGA Tour

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:38.279
<v Speaker 1>or or live golf, now, um, you're doing pretty good. There.

0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:41.240
<v Speaker 1>There's been a little sense like, oh, you know, all

0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:44.799
<v Speaker 1>all these like American pros, nice Southern boys like yourself

0:55:44.840 --> 0:55:46.759
<v Speaker 1>aren't going to go play golf. In Asia. It's too

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:49.960
<v Speaker 1>far away, it's too different. Uh what what was your

0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:53.800
<v Speaker 1>your inter personal experience and just being a being a

0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:56.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, a stranger in our foreign land, Like, how

0:55:56.400 --> 0:55:58.880
<v Speaker 1>did it feel to play golf over there? It was

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.279
<v Speaker 1>so cool? I mean, they really took care of us.

0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:05.759
<v Speaker 1>They put us in Everyone stays in the same hotel. Um.

0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:07.880
<v Speaker 1>There's shuttles every thirty minutes to the course, so you

0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:09.120
<v Speaker 1>don't have to rent a car. You don't have to

0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:12.280
<v Speaker 1>really worry about travel. Um. I land at the airport,

0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:13.759
<v Speaker 1>had a driver picked me up and take me to

0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:17.120
<v Speaker 1>the hotel. And other than that, I mean I had

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:20.799
<v Speaker 1>everything else was was pretty much catered for me. You

0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:23.640
<v Speaker 1>have breakfast and lunch at My biggest thing is food.

0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't. I don't like some of those

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Asian cuisine. But I was able to. I was able

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.480
<v Speaker 1>to find food pretty easily. There was a breakfast buffet

0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:38.400
<v Speaker 1>at the hotel that was pretty American, um, pretty traditional.

0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 1>They had an almost station. I could I could kind

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:43.440
<v Speaker 1>of go from there if I had an almost station,

0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm good. But the food was fine. Well, lunch was

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:51.319
<v Speaker 1>at the course every day, huge buffet. You could kind

0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:53.719
<v Speaker 1>of find some stuff that you could eat and then

0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:56.840
<v Speaker 1>at dinner all the guys kind of hang out together

0:56:57.400 --> 0:56:59.560
<v Speaker 1>because everyone stayed at the same hotel. There was guys

0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:03.120
<v Speaker 1>like James Piett, Chase Chase, Kepka, Turk Pettitt, all these

0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:07.040
<v Speaker 1>other Americans that I could travel with and go to

0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:09.799
<v Speaker 1>dinner with. And uh so I don't think I eat

0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:14.080
<v Speaker 1>by myself once for for two weeks, which is super fun.

0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:16.000
<v Speaker 1>And getting to see different parts of the world, I

0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 1>think it's awesome. Um, I've been super fortunate to be

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:22.720
<v Speaker 1>able to, you know, chase a white ball around and

0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:25.439
<v Speaker 1>and get to travel the world doing it. So Um,

0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:28.240
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people where I live that where

0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:31.280
<v Speaker 1>I grew up that never really venture out of Mississippi

0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:34.320
<v Speaker 1>much less get to travel, get to travel the world

0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:36.400
<v Speaker 1>and do all the cool things that I've been able

0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:39.280
<v Speaker 1>to do. So I have to pinch myself a lot, um,

0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 1>just being able to do what I do, playing a

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.800
<v Speaker 1>game that I love, and uh, you know, it's it's awesome.

0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:49.040
<v Speaker 1>So if if the center of gravity of the Gulf

0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Universe goes east and the Asian Tour in their national

0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:57.560
<v Speaker 1>series supplants the corn Ferry and Canada and Latin America,

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:00.280
<v Speaker 1>You don't think there'll be any hesitancy for a lot

0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of Americans to start making those trips. I don't think so.

0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think there's gonna be so many events

0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:09.520
<v Speaker 1>every year that you're gonna be able to go play

0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:11.720
<v Speaker 1>three weeks in a row and then come home for

0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:13.600
<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks, and then three weeks in a row,

0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:15.920
<v Speaker 1>come home for a couple of weeks, and the travel

0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:17.800
<v Speaker 1>is not that bad if you can do it that way. Obviously,

0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:20.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're having to go play one event and then

0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:22.800
<v Speaker 1>fly back across the country and play another one fly back,

0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:25.080
<v Speaker 1>fly back, fly back, I mean that would be a nightmare.

0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:28.320
<v Speaker 1>But um, when you can go play three in a row,

0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was, I was pretty I'd say my

0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:36.240
<v Speaker 1>jet lag went away after about two days, so you know,

0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:38.919
<v Speaker 1>you can even for two in a row. It wasn't

0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 1>that bad. Obviously, I got travelers flu coming back, so uh,

0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:46.919
<v Speaker 1>fortunately I've been I've been down bad for about four days.

0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I lost about fifteen pounds. But it's a blessing and

0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:55.640
<v Speaker 1>disguise that that now, that's that's a positive attitude right there,

0:58:55.680 --> 0:59:01.600
<v Speaker 1>and hey, I'm working working on so you know, looking ahead,

0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:05.320
<v Speaker 1>there's now that you have this looming. Um, maybe not

0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:07.400
<v Speaker 1>a battle, but there's some intrigue with what's gonna happen

0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:09.920
<v Speaker 1>with you in the PGA Tour in December. Do you

0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.920
<v Speaker 1>have has there been any back channel communication? Like do

0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you have any sense if if they're going to lift

0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:17.400
<v Speaker 1>your suspension or they're going to extend it? Like, I

0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:20.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I'm I'm really curious. In my in my

0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:24.120
<v Speaker 1>letter telling me that I was suspending until December, there

0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:29.840
<v Speaker 1>was a statement that said basically, any further events or

0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:35.120
<v Speaker 1>outspoken comments against the PGA Tour could result in further suspension.

0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:39.320
<v Speaker 1>So um, that's that. I don't really I don't really

0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:43.000
<v Speaker 1>know what that means. Um, that's what I'm saying. I'm

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:47.360
<v Speaker 1>not outspoken against the tour at all. So um, I've

0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:49.840
<v Speaker 1>always supported the PGA two. I loved watching the FedEx

0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Cup yesterday. Uh I guess what two days ago now,

0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:57.600
<v Speaker 1>and it was just you know, I love I love

0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.720
<v Speaker 1>watching golf. I'm a fan of golf. I love playing often. Uh,

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:03.320
<v Speaker 1>golf is kind of always been my life and what

1:00:03.360 --> 1:00:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I'll do. So let me speak on your behalf. Andy.

1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:09.200
<v Speaker 1>That's fucked up. I mean like that to threaten you

1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:12.040
<v Speaker 1>that way is ridiculous, Like, this is your life. I've

1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:15.360
<v Speaker 1>definitely been threatened, So yeah, I mean, this is your life,

1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:16.919
<v Speaker 1>this is your journey. Should be able to speak about

1:00:16.920 --> 1:00:19.479
<v Speaker 1>it freely, and we appreciate your trust and coming on here.

1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:23.240
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, that's that's chilling. It's like they're they're

1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:26.240
<v Speaker 1>just you're the easiest target here. You don't have status.

1:00:26.920 --> 1:00:29.800
<v Speaker 1>You're not a past champion, you're not a major championship winner,

1:00:29.840 --> 1:00:31.600
<v Speaker 1>you're not a Hall of Famer, Like they're just trying

1:00:31.640 --> 1:00:34.960
<v Speaker 1>to squash you and all this. It doesn't seem fair. Definitely,

1:00:35.000 --> 1:00:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I've definitely been squashed and thrown into this category of Um,

1:00:41.440 --> 1:00:44.680
<v Speaker 1>these outspoken guys are guys that have rebelled against the tour.

1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:48.160
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not like that at all. So hopefully hopefully

1:00:48.160 --> 1:00:49.600
<v Speaker 1>we can sit down at some point and have a

1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:55.280
<v Speaker 1>conversation about it, like like man, yeah, um, so you're

1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:58.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna you're gonna play the remaining in our National series events. Um,

1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the goal there would be to get uh full status

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<v Speaker 1>on the Asian Tour and or play your way onto

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<v Speaker 1>the Yeah, that would be the goal to play get

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<v Speaker 1>full status on the Asian Tour for next year. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an affiliate member right now, I think I probably

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<v Speaker 1>need to make somewhere around a hundred thousand UM to

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee myself full status for this year. And I'm at

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty three thousand right now with four events to go, So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple of good weeks and I should be

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<v Speaker 1>able to lock that up and then. Um. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Asian Tour International Series has a lot of sponsor invice.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they get like thirty eight sponsor invites into

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<v Speaker 1>every single event. So I've been fortunate enough to play

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<v Speaker 1>on those, so um, you know, worst case, maybe get

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<v Speaker 1>some of those and just keep playing on that. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's do a little thought exercise here. You play really

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<v Speaker 1>well in these international series events, Um, you have, you

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<v Speaker 1>have great status in Asia heading into two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. You flat upon a beach, you get wine

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<v Speaker 1>and dine by Jay Monahan. They welcome you back into

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<v Speaker 1>the old They say, okay, you can, you can, you

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<v Speaker 1>can play well because of the situation here, will grant

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<v Speaker 1>you full status on the corn Ferry Tours. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a makeup for what you've been through. But you

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<v Speaker 1>have to renounce Asia International and live like there's a

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<v Speaker 1>fork in the road here, it's us for them. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>which do you choose? I don't know. It's gonna be hard. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I feel like I've been treated very very wrongly.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I haven't had any direct communication with any

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<v Speaker 1>anyone high up um on the PGA Tour. So if

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<v Speaker 1>if I was able to to kind of have some

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<v Speaker 1>conversations and and understand kind of where they were coming

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<v Speaker 1>from and understand, um a little better the situation and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of right some wrongs, then yeah, I might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to might be able to go that route because

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<v Speaker 1>I have always wanted to play the PGA Tour. That

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<v Speaker 1>is you that that is what I've always wanted to do. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I still would love to play the PGA Tour at

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<v Speaker 1>some point in my career. Um, I want to play

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<v Speaker 1>against the best players in the world. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be one of the top players in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. I don't think you can do that without

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<v Speaker 1>without playing the PGA Tour or live so um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to figure that out. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know I'm putting you on the spot here,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, in that hypothetical, I'm not gonna tick

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<v Speaker 1>one right, No, No, I know I don't expect you to,

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<v Speaker 1>but just to flesh it out. I mean, if they

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<v Speaker 1>granted you full status in the corn Ferry, those purses

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<v Speaker 1>are what six hun fifty thousand and seven hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars Asia's Asia's five million. I mean, at some point

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<v Speaker 1>the dream of the tour is is you grew up

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<v Speaker 1>with it and it's a wonderful place, but you're also

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you're trying to it's a livelihood. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>pay the bills, and I mean, I mean that's gotta

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<v Speaker 1>be a factor, right would be. It would be tough

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<v Speaker 1>to to turn down the Asian Tour and the opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>financially right now. Um, I think eventually there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>something done about the corn Ferry Tour. It's just there's

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<v Speaker 1>two big of a difference right now and international series

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<v Speaker 1>Asian Tour events and corn Ferry. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the next step for the PGA Tour, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can't speak for them. Um. I just see all this

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<v Speaker 1>money being dished out to to the top players in

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<v Speaker 1>the top the top twenty guys. I guess what pips

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<v Speaker 1>now at million? I mean, gosh, you take, you can

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<v Speaker 1>take fifteen million to give ten million to give to

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<v Speaker 1>the corn Ferry Tour and double all the purses and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would go a long way, just just

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<v Speaker 1>for starters. But hey, nobody asked me, no, we we

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<v Speaker 1>did who that's why we have you here. But I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it is an interesting thing. I mean I was

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<v Speaker 1>at the Tour Championship and talked a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the most vulnerable tour on the plan right

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<v Speaker 1>now is the Champions Tour because, um, that money will

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<v Speaker 1>be much better off to be redistributed, um corn Ferry,

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<v Speaker 1>Latin America, Canada and and try and build this next

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<v Speaker 1>generation of stars. If all the guys in there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in an entire generation of potential Champions Tour players just

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<v Speaker 1>went to live. Right, You're not gonna get all those

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<v Speaker 1>guys in their forties now, You're not gonna get Phil

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<v Speaker 1>Tigers done. Like, Um, the Champions Tour is looking more

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<v Speaker 1>and more like it doesn't have a purpose. And as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, the tours committed so much to its top players,

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<v Speaker 1>which had had to do. But something's got to give,

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<v Speaker 1>and it definitely just seems like kind of a response

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<v Speaker 1>to live not they're not kind of out in front

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<v Speaker 1>of it at all in my opinion. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like I said, I'm trying not to say anything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know against the tour um based off of my

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<v Speaker 1>not wanting to get suspended further. But you do an

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<v Speaker 1>excellent job of it. I commend your tree. You han't

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<v Speaker 1>anything's going to get you in trouble. My tongue is time.

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<v Speaker 1>More money needs to go to the developmental tours if

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<v Speaker 1>they want to keep the future starts the PGA Tour

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<v Speaker 1>coming to the PGA Tour. Yeah, that's great. A right

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<v Speaker 1>before you let you go, let's just talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>state of er golf game, because that's what's ultimately gonna

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<v Speaker 1>determine your future here even more than um the whims

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<v Speaker 1>of j Monahan, like how are you feeling and why

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<v Speaker 1>are you optimistic going forward? I'm just getting better. My

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<v Speaker 1>body is getting better. I've had a lot of back

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<v Speaker 1>issues since hip surgery as kind of a compensation, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty common injuries. Just I've had a lot of q

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<v Speaker 1>l um right q L tightness because my left hip

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<v Speaker 1>after hip surgery, my left hip is like functioning super

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<v Speaker 1>well and my right hip is still not great. So

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<v Speaker 1>I get these imbalances and my left hip gets super

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<v Speaker 1>high and then my right my whole right side of

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<v Speaker 1>my back, UM just kind of get some strain. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just having a lot of imbalance issues. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to trying to sort through those things, and UM,

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely stuff that can be fixed. So I've been

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<v Speaker 1>working on it for the past few months. It's gotten

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<v Speaker 1>a lot better. So I'm seeing I'm seeing the progress

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<v Speaker 1>in my body, which gives me a lot of optimism

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<v Speaker 1>because i know if if my body is feeling well, um,

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<v Speaker 1>i know how to fix my golf games. So UM,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as as long as my body keeps feeling well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm super optimistic with everything. Where everything's going. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>finally have opportunities to play golf somewhere that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm able to get excited for and able to able

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of get out of bed and work towards

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<v Speaker 1>a goal. Um, guaranteed place to play is the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>bottom line for me right now. And uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I'm optimistic. I'm I'm able to play these

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<v Speaker 1>international tour series. I'm able to travel the world. You

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<v Speaker 1>can see some cool places, and I'm able to able

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<v Speaker 1>to make some money in the process. So, um, those

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<v Speaker 1>are all all optimistic outlooks. And despite everything you've been through,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's been it's been a very challenging road since

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<v Speaker 1>the US Amateur victory, you still you still love the game,

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<v Speaker 1>you still have the passion I do. Yeah, I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Uh there's been times where I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>loved it, and there's been times where you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't didn't really care to go practice. I was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>down on myself and uh, frustrated with my golf game,

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated with with how everything was going. But I've gotten

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<v Speaker 1>past that, and I'm back to a place where all

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do is is practice and see how

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<v Speaker 1>get I can get at this game that I love.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go. I love it well that that's

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<v Speaker 1>a great place to end right there. It's fascinating. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just at the You're you're at this crossroads here of

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<v Speaker 1>history and uh, somewhat unwittingly, but you're you're in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of it all. So it Edvan's watching and I

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot of people cheering for you, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would I won't worry about the small number of naysayers

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<v Speaker 1>out there because I think when people hear your story,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna understand like it's really all you want is

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<v Speaker 1>a place to play golf. So literally, well Andy, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for your time and your insight. Um, this is

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Schipnuk. We're gonna bring this Fire Drill podcast to

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<v Speaker 1>a close. Thanks for listening as always, and we will

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<v Speaker 1>keep trying to make sense of this ever changing landscape

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<v Speaker 1>of professional golf. It's never boring. UM, So that's it

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<v Speaker 1>for now, Thank you. I've been big and I played

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<v Speaker 1>the wind, made a fortune, win my ship game, and

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<v Speaker 1>I ran the table and never thought I could fall.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the winter time hit me like a cannon the

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<v Speaker 1>ball and now I can't shake this losing the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Every road I take is a dead end stream. I

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<v Speaker 1>got thoughts in my head, can't you John? And not

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<v Speaker 1>the thing what I'm thinking about about gown thoughts in

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<v Speaker 1>my can get him out? And trying not to think

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm thinking about h