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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's me, W.

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Speaker 2: Kamau Bell, coming to you live from Oakland, California, but

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Speaker 2: recorded by the time you hear this. Today is episode

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Speaker 2: 17 of Who's With Me, my podcast, and my guest

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Speaker 2: today is Ken Jennings, best known as being the host

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Speaker 2: of the game show Jeopardy. I've known Ken for a

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Speaker 2: while now. I've actually known him since he was just

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Speaker 2: a Jeopardy champion. We weren't best of friends, but we

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Speaker 2: were on the podcast circuit together, as we talk about

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Speaker 2: in this. And I've gotten to know him better because I...

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Speaker 2: was your 2025 Celebrity Jeopardy champion. So we did a

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Speaker 2: lot of events together when I was the Celebrity Jeopardy champion.

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Speaker 2: And then I competed again in Celebrity Jeopardy All-Stars this

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Speaker 2: year where I was not the Celebrity Jeopardy champion. It

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Speaker 2: was Mina Kimes. But anyway, happy to talk to Ken.

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Speaker 2: Happy he took time out of his day. I was

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Speaker 2: in Seattle for a gig, and he lives up there,

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Speaker 2: so he politely took time out of his weekend to

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Speaker 2: come be on the podcast. Thanks to Ken. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: the studio up there. Really appreciate it. Uh, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: more about him in a little bit. Uh, stand updates again, Stanford, Connecticut,

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Speaker 2: September 25th and 26th. That's coming up soon. Please get

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Speaker 2: your tickets soon. Uh, Stanford university, October 1st, and then

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Speaker 2: coming up not so soon, Bellingham, Washington, February 20th, 2027.

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Speaker 2: Just to be clear, I do other things other than

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Speaker 2: standup comedy. I have other things coming up doing facing race.

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Speaker 2: That's coming up in Louisville, Kentucky, just Google facing race.

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Speaker 2: If you want to go See me at Facing Race.

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Speaker 2: I just tend to only promote the stand-up dates, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm always doing random speaking things and appearances and giving

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Speaker 2: my opinion when people want it, so thanks for that. Also,

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Speaker 2: pre-order my debut children's book, Rock, Paper, Scissors, Cheese, that

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Speaker 2: I wrote with Adam Mansbach and the artist by Brianna Chambers.

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Speaker 2: Pre-order the links below for my stand-up dates and also

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Speaker 2: the pre-order for that. Please pre-order that book. Very excited

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Speaker 2: about it, as I've talked about before. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: Also, shout out to Lindsay Ellis.

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Speaker 2: Last week when I talked about Dolly Parton, I shouted

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Speaker 2: out Lindsay Ellis, who's a great video essayist on YouTube

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Speaker 2: and also on Nebula. And I said I'd watch her

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Speaker 2: tribute to Dolly Parton, and that's how I learned a

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Speaker 2: lot about Dolly Parton. And then she apparently was watching

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Speaker 2: the podcast while I was shouting her out, and she

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Speaker 2: pre-ordered my children's book. Thanks, Lindsay. Lindsay, come be a

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Speaker 2: guest on the podcast. I would love to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of video essayist on YouTube. I

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Speaker 2: have visions of doing that myself someday, but I already

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Speaker 2: have too many jobs, but I really respect that hustle.

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Speaker 2: I also talked to FD Signifier. I've been on a

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Speaker 2: Milo Yiannopoulos.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Milo.

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Speaker 2: So Milo Yiannopoulos, who became famous or infamous in the

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Speaker 2: a terrorist organization. Milo Yiannopoulos, one of the things he's

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Speaker 1: The leopards have eaten Milo's face. And we've talked about Milo.

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Speaker 2: He is sent home to England. So a few nights later,

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Speaker 2: Deportation Plus package. So he went immediately, they sent him

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Speaker 2: And it's like, hey, man, did you not see, hear, listen, read?

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Speaker 2: ICE has killed multiple people this year illegally. Like that

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Speaker 2: didn't get to you. And this is the defining characteristic

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Charlie Kirk, who's one of the leaders of

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Speaker 2: to go, that sounds bad. And again, that lack of

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Speaker 1: So, you know. And he wants to come back to America,

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Speaker 2: It's just the thing that Milo fought for is the

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Speaker 2: This is all Google-able. I wrote about it in my

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Speaker 1: People can get on it. You can watch Jeopardy. You

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00:19:12,944 --> 00:19:15,744
Speaker 1: can like it. I've loved Sesame Street. They have not

429
00:19:15,784 --> 00:19:19,244
Speaker 1: yet invited me on. I used to think, I want

430
00:19:19,264 --> 00:19:21,954
Speaker 1: to be like Eddie Murphy on SNL. Never happened. Somehow

431
00:19:21,974 --> 00:19:23,774
Speaker 1: I ended up on Jeopardy. You know what I mean?

432
00:19:23,794 --> 00:19:25,854
Speaker 2: So I think there's also the fact that we all

433
00:19:26,294 --> 00:19:27,634
Speaker 2: feel like we own a piece of it because you

434
00:19:27,654 --> 00:19:29,394
Speaker 2: may know somebody or you may feel like you're good

435
00:19:29,454 --> 00:19:30,014
Speaker 2: at it at home.

436
00:19:30,314 --> 00:19:33,144
Speaker 3: It's just like a normal person. You're like, oh, this

437
00:19:33,204 --> 00:19:35,584
Speaker 3: guy's just, you know, this guy works in a grocery

438
00:19:35,604 --> 00:19:38,204
Speaker 3: store like me, and she's talking about how she crochets

439
00:19:38,264 --> 00:19:39,523
Speaker 3: like me, but now look, they're on.

440
00:19:39,704 --> 00:19:40,964
Speaker 1: Now they're on Jeopardy. They're on Jeopardy.

441
00:19:40,984 --> 00:19:43,104
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think there's... And the other thing I

442
00:19:43,104 --> 00:19:44,924
Speaker 2: was very aware of when I was there, and I

443
00:19:44,964 --> 00:19:46,783
Speaker 2: really want to talk about this, is that I was

444
00:19:46,824 --> 00:19:47,824
Speaker 2: very aware, because, like, the woman.

445
00:19:47,844 --> 00:19:48,764
Speaker 1: I've told this story many times.

446
00:19:48,784 --> 00:19:49,944
Speaker 2: You may have heard me tell this story, but, like,

447
00:19:49,984 --> 00:19:51,944
Speaker 2: the woman who did my hair just sort of let

448
00:19:51,984 --> 00:19:52,304
Speaker 2: it slip.

449
00:19:52,334 --> 00:19:54,634
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I've been doing Vanna White's hair for 30 years.

450
00:19:55,094 --> 00:19:59,484
Speaker 1: And I was like... What? Vanna White's hairstylist was doing

451
00:19:59,524 --> 00:20:01,104
Speaker 1: my hair? My hair's never looked better.

452
00:20:01,944 --> 00:20:03,594
Speaker 2: Very seriously, I was like really impressed with how she

453
00:20:03,634 --> 00:20:03,854
Speaker 2: did it.

454
00:20:04,454 --> 00:20:06,134
Speaker 1: Even though me and Vanna have slightly different hair?

455
00:20:06,734 --> 00:20:10,414
Speaker 3: I would imagine. But Renee does my hair too. She's multi-talented.

456
00:20:10,514 --> 00:20:10,924
Speaker 1: Clearly.

457
00:20:10,954 --> 00:20:13,484
Speaker 3: She's confident with Vanna. She's confident with black hair. She

458
00:20:13,504 --> 00:20:13,964
Speaker 3: does it all.

459
00:20:14,024 --> 00:20:16,044
Speaker 1: So first of all, shout out Renee. I'm glad you

460
00:20:16,064 --> 00:20:16,504
Speaker 1: said her name.

461
00:20:16,544 --> 00:20:19,224
Speaker 2: But the thing I was wearing was like, this is

462
00:20:19,284 --> 00:20:21,504
Speaker 2: one of the last factory jobs in show business.

463
00:20:22,324 --> 00:20:26,004
Speaker 1: Like where people work here for like, Their career. Yeah.

464
00:20:26,304 --> 00:20:28,684
Speaker 1: And you work until you either move on or you

465
00:20:28,704 --> 00:20:32,304
Speaker 1: decide to stop working. And there's something really special about that.

466
00:20:32,344 --> 00:20:34,543
Speaker 2: So that you stepped into a place where all these

467
00:20:34,564 --> 00:20:37,504
Speaker 2: other people were like, in some sense, a new host means, oh,

468
00:20:37,524 --> 00:20:38,834
Speaker 2: we still can work at this factory.

469
00:20:39,204 --> 00:20:40,554
Speaker 1: Yes. We're still going to produce game shows.

470
00:20:40,574 --> 00:20:41,534
Speaker 3: They're not shutting down the factory.

471
00:20:41,554 --> 00:20:43,114
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not shutting down. Or, you know, we're not

472
00:20:43,134 --> 00:20:45,894
Speaker 1: working part-time because we're just doing Wheel of Fortune. And so.

473
00:20:46,544 --> 00:20:48,944
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a family, kind of like you say.

474
00:20:48,964 --> 00:20:51,924
Speaker 3: It's a rare steady job in showbiz. The guy who

475
00:20:51,984 --> 00:20:53,904
Speaker 3: is going to mic me up on Jeopardy! Day After

476
00:20:53,944 --> 00:20:55,544
Speaker 3: Tomorrow is the guy who mic'd me up when I

477
00:20:55,584 --> 00:20:58,944
Speaker 3: was a contestant in 2004. Renee is going to do

478
00:20:58,984 --> 00:21:02,124
Speaker 3: my hair. Sandy will make me up, and she made

479
00:21:02,164 --> 00:21:05,614
Speaker 3: me up in 2004. So you're right. But then there

480
00:21:05,634 --> 00:21:09,634
Speaker 3: also is the weird dynamic of, oh, and here's the

481
00:21:09,714 --> 00:21:12,094
Speaker 3: contest winner who took over the factory.

482
00:21:12,114 --> 00:21:12,974
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

483
00:21:13,954 --> 00:21:15,714
Speaker 3: And that was very hard coming in.

484
00:21:16,454 --> 00:21:16,974
Speaker 1: Was it hard?

485
00:21:17,454 --> 00:21:19,634
Speaker 3: Well, it was especially hard just because of the accident

486
00:21:19,674 --> 00:21:22,874
Speaker 3: of timing. I was supposed to come in and guest

487
00:21:22,894 --> 00:21:24,494
Speaker 3: host for a few weeks because Alex was going to

488
00:21:24,534 --> 00:21:26,844
Speaker 3: go in and get a new round of treatment maybe

489
00:21:26,884 --> 00:21:30,644
Speaker 3: for his pancreatic cancer. And so that was already in

490
00:21:30,664 --> 00:21:31,964
Speaker 3: the works. I was going to come in on this

491
00:21:32,024 --> 00:21:37,884
Speaker 3: Sunday to rehearse. And then the night before... Alex passed away.

492
00:21:37,924 --> 00:21:40,184
Speaker 3: I woke up that morning instead of to go into

493
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Speaker 3: the studio. Instead, I get a call saying Alex passed

494
00:21:42,244 --> 00:21:44,474
Speaker 3: away last night. And I had talked to him like

495
00:21:44,534 --> 00:21:45,954
Speaker 3: a day and a half before just to kind of

496
00:21:45,974 --> 00:21:49,934
Speaker 3: get his blessing and chat. And so by the time we,

497
00:21:50,174 --> 00:21:52,534
Speaker 3: you know, we didn't make it in that day, obviously,

498
00:21:52,594 --> 00:21:56,334
Speaker 3: but like a couple of weeks later. we do 230

499
00:21:56,334 --> 00:21:58,194
Speaker 3: Jeopardy's a year. You know, we have to feed the beast.

500
00:21:58,234 --> 00:21:59,094
Speaker 3: The show must go on.

501
00:21:59,154 --> 00:21:59,474
Speaker 1: Yeah.

502
00:21:59,714 --> 00:22:02,694
Speaker 3: And the morale was not great because nobody, I didn't

503
00:22:02,714 --> 00:22:04,754
Speaker 3: want to see anybody else hosting Jeopardy. I didn't want

504
00:22:04,794 --> 00:22:06,274
Speaker 3: it to be me. I wanted it to be Alex,

505
00:22:06,314 --> 00:22:09,614
Speaker 3: you know? But the show must go on. And many

506
00:22:09,674 --> 00:22:12,134
Speaker 3: people said to me, like, you know, at least it's,

507
00:22:12,734 --> 00:22:14,364
Speaker 3: At least it's you. And I was like, you don't

508
00:22:14,404 --> 00:22:17,084
Speaker 3: want me. I'm not even a broadcaster. And they were like, yeah,

509
00:22:17,104 --> 00:22:19,244
Speaker 3: but you remind us of Alex, you know? So I

510
00:22:19,284 --> 00:22:22,064
Speaker 3: had the good vibes that came from people associating me

511
00:22:22,184 --> 00:22:26,544
Speaker 3: with the show's past. And I'm very happy to coast

512
00:22:26,644 --> 00:22:29,044
Speaker 3: on that because that's the one thing that kind of

513
00:22:29,064 --> 00:22:31,024
Speaker 3: kept me going. That and having seen Alex host.

514
00:22:31,444 --> 00:22:34,294
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that... It just says so much.

515
00:22:34,354 --> 00:22:35,584
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, so first of all, it makes,

516
00:22:36,064 --> 00:22:37,984
Speaker 2: it is, it is perfect that you're this guy who

517
00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:41,004
Speaker 2: was at one point, somebody broke your record of winning us, right?

518
00:22:41,044 --> 00:22:42,464
Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah.

519
00:22:42,584 --> 00:22:46,023
Speaker 3: Nobody's broken most games because of a bunch of tournaments.

520
00:22:46,044 --> 00:22:48,024
Speaker 3: There are people who have won more Jeopardy bucks than me.

521
00:22:48,154 --> 00:22:52,274
Speaker 2: But anyway, you had this incredible like marathon record. So

522
00:22:52,834 --> 00:22:54,134
Speaker 2: they had already been around you a lot.

523
00:22:54,884 --> 00:22:56,944
Speaker 3: Yeah, weirdly, they kind of felt like I was part

524
00:22:56,964 --> 00:22:59,504
Speaker 3: of the family, even though nobody was allowed to talk

525
00:22:59,544 --> 00:22:59,944
Speaker 3: to me then.

526
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Speaker 1: Well, I saw a clip of Alex talking about it, about, like,

527
00:23:02,744 --> 00:23:04,164
Speaker 1: he ran out of things to talk to you about.

528
00:23:04,364 --> 00:23:05,084
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

529
00:23:05,144 --> 00:23:08,244
Speaker 2: At the little, like, two-minute, like, interview segment. Like, after

530
00:23:08,244 --> 00:23:10,124
Speaker 2: 74 shows, he'd gone through everything to talk to you about.

531
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Speaker 3: It used to be a five-game limit. You know, somebody

532
00:23:12,004 --> 00:23:13,763
Speaker 3: would win a fifth game, and they'd get a car,

533
00:23:13,874 --> 00:23:15,654
Speaker 3: and it'd be like, okay, we'll see you next summer

534
00:23:15,694 --> 00:23:17,254
Speaker 3: in the Tournament of Champions or whatever.

535
00:23:17,274 --> 00:23:17,374
Speaker 1: Yeah.

536
00:23:17,834 --> 00:23:20,134
Speaker 3: But so they changed that rule right after I tried

537
00:23:20,194 --> 00:23:22,014
Speaker 3: out for the show. So just some fluke of luck

538
00:23:22,574 --> 00:23:24,434
Speaker 3: that I'm on when suddenly you can go longer than

539
00:23:24,454 --> 00:23:26,974
Speaker 3: five games. And so this had never happened before. They've

540
00:23:26,994 --> 00:23:29,334
Speaker 3: got months of me in the can and they're worried about,

541
00:23:29,874 --> 00:23:31,404
Speaker 3: is this the thing that'll kill the show?

542
00:23:31,424 --> 00:23:35,064
Speaker 2: What if people don't like this guy? People are going

543
00:23:35,084 --> 00:23:38,004
Speaker 2: to be excited about the athletic achievement of it and

544
00:23:38,024 --> 00:23:39,244
Speaker 2: worried about like, are they going to be tired of

545
00:23:39,264 --> 00:23:40,244
Speaker 2: seeing the same guy every week?

546
00:23:40,324 --> 00:23:42,284
Speaker 3: Because it had never happened. And now, of course, in hindsight,

547
00:23:42,304 --> 00:23:44,184
Speaker 3: we're like, oh, yeah, even if they don't like the person,

548
00:23:44,824 --> 00:23:46,874
Speaker 3: some will cheer for them, some will cheer against them.

549
00:23:47,174 --> 00:23:49,154
Speaker 3: We treat it like a sports streak. But this was

550
00:23:49,194 --> 00:23:52,354
Speaker 3: all new technology in 2004. And Alex, of course, had

551
00:23:52,394 --> 00:23:54,374
Speaker 3: never really had anybody on for longer than a week.

552
00:23:54,454 --> 00:23:56,134
Speaker 3: So I think that was kind of fun for him.

553
00:23:56,514 --> 00:23:57,314
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny.

554
00:23:57,334 --> 00:23:59,934
Speaker 2: So I live in the Bay Area. Obviously, I'm wearing

555
00:23:59,994 --> 00:24:04,194
Speaker 2: my identification badge. So after I had my first episode aired,

556
00:24:04,324 --> 00:24:06,284
Speaker 2: I was in Berkeley with my kids at this food court,

557
00:24:06,344 --> 00:24:08,764
Speaker 2: Epicurious in Berkeley. And this woman walks up to me

558
00:24:08,784 --> 00:24:10,274
Speaker 2: and goes, I saw you on Celebrity Jeopardy. And I

559
00:24:10,274 --> 00:24:11,894
Speaker 2: was like, you were very good. And I was like, oh,

560
00:24:11,894 --> 00:24:14,794
Speaker 2: thank you. And then she introduced herself. She's like, I

561
00:24:14,854 --> 00:24:17,334
Speaker 2: actually am a Jeopardy champion. And it was Sandra Gore.

562
00:24:17,894 --> 00:24:19,654
Speaker 2: And she won five games in a row.

563
00:24:19,814 --> 00:24:21,094
Speaker 3: I know the name.

564
00:24:21,114 --> 00:24:25,064
Speaker 2: Of course you know everything, Ken. And she was like,

565
00:24:25,344 --> 00:24:27,664
Speaker 2: I won five games in a row. But at that time,

566
00:24:27,704 --> 00:24:29,704
Speaker 2: it was the limit. But she was the longest winning

567
00:24:29,784 --> 00:24:32,724
Speaker 2: one at one point. And there are a lot of

568
00:24:32,804 --> 00:24:34,244
Speaker 2: Jeopardy people in and around the Bay.

569
00:24:34,684 --> 00:24:37,074
Speaker 3: People pop up. And Bay Area is really punching above

570
00:24:37,134 --> 00:24:39,914
Speaker 3: its weight. I mean, Oakland has you and Amy Schneider.

571
00:24:39,954 --> 00:24:42,494
Speaker 2: Yes, me and Amy Schneider. Oakland's killing it. Yeah, I'm

572
00:24:42,514 --> 00:24:45,013
Speaker 2: kind of the Robin to Amy's Batman, I think, if anything.

573
00:24:45,134 --> 00:24:48,544
Speaker 3: It's like a different sport. You're in the Celebrity Jeopardy arena.

574
00:24:48,704 --> 00:24:50,043
Speaker 2: Well, as I say, I don't know if you've heard

575
00:24:50,064 --> 00:24:52,404
Speaker 2: me say this, but winning Celebrity Jeopardy is like being

576
00:24:52,444 --> 00:24:53,744
Speaker 2: declared the strongest two-year-old.

577
00:24:57,994 --> 00:24:59,894
Speaker 1: Feel free to repeat that if you want to.

578
00:25:00,034 --> 00:25:01,644
Speaker 3: But I understand why you have to say that. But

579
00:25:01,664 --> 00:25:03,864
Speaker 3: just for the record, like, Celebrity Jeopardy is not the

580
00:25:03,904 --> 00:25:06,704
Speaker 3: way it is on SNL, you know, where it's a punchline.

581
00:25:07,324 --> 00:25:12,054
Speaker 3: And no, it's not states that rhyme with Delaware, you know, like. Like,

582
00:25:12,634 --> 00:25:14,344
Speaker 3: celebrities have to know real stuff.

583
00:25:15,324 --> 00:25:17,724
Speaker 2: My favorite moment from my, I think it was maybe

584
00:25:17,784 --> 00:25:20,104
Speaker 2: the first or second episode, I forget what the question was,

585
00:25:20,224 --> 00:25:22,564
Speaker 2: what the answer was that you gave. And I buzzed

586
00:25:22,584 --> 00:25:24,934
Speaker 2: in and I was like, what is Shintoism? And you're like,

587
00:25:24,954 --> 00:25:26,614
Speaker 2: you surprised me. I was like, I don't think I

588
00:25:26,614 --> 00:25:27,654
Speaker 2: ever said that word out loud.

589
00:25:27,674 --> 00:25:28,114
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

590
00:25:28,594 --> 00:25:30,214
Speaker 3: You were a vessel for something. Exactly.

591
00:25:30,274 --> 00:25:31,714
Speaker 1: Somehow my brain was like, you know this one. I

592
00:25:31,714 --> 00:25:32,394
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know.

593
00:25:33,494 --> 00:25:37,094
Speaker 2: So there are hard questions. But I also tell people,

594
00:25:37,634 --> 00:25:40,434
Speaker 2: to be fair, they do actually, with Celebrity Jeopardy, they

595
00:25:40,474 --> 00:25:41,894
Speaker 2: do want the celebrities to have fun.

596
00:25:42,454 --> 00:25:45,104
Speaker 1: Right. So we're not as like laser focused.

597
00:25:45,144 --> 00:25:47,194
Speaker 3: And it may depend on category like if there's a

598
00:25:47,254 --> 00:25:50,244
Speaker 3: showbiz category like that can maybe be harder on celebrity

599
00:25:50,264 --> 00:25:50,724
Speaker 3: jeopardy and.

600
00:25:50,644 --> 00:25:53,064
Speaker 2: More embarrassing too like yeah nobody expects us to know

601
00:25:53,104 --> 00:25:56,064
Speaker 2: about uh the roman empire but you better know hit

602
00:25:56,104 --> 00:25:57,724
Speaker 2: makers of the 2020s right like.

603
00:25:57,664 --> 00:25:59,744
Speaker 3: If it's like quantum physics we you know we might

604
00:25:59,804 --> 00:26:03,104
Speaker 3: not expect your average but comedians we have learned our

605
00:26:03,164 --> 00:26:05,464
Speaker 3: smart like a comedian has won yeah the first three

606
00:26:05,484 --> 00:26:08,404
Speaker 3: years of celebrity jeopardy i guess now mina kimes broke

607
00:26:08,424 --> 00:26:09,144
Speaker 3: the streak.

608
00:26:08,904 --> 00:26:11,204
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah which i was really hoping comedians would keep

609
00:26:11,244 --> 00:26:12,244
Speaker 2: the streak but i love mina.

610
00:26:12,694 --> 00:26:14,954
Speaker 1: So I would say this. A little bit I'm mad

611
00:26:14,994 --> 00:26:15,554
Speaker 1: at you, Ken.

612
00:26:15,674 --> 00:26:18,774
Speaker 2: Because you represent Jeopardy for this one reason that I

613
00:26:18,834 --> 00:26:20,694
Speaker 2: had to go back for Tournament of Champions.

614
00:26:21,934 --> 00:26:22,634
Speaker 1: That's a new rule.

615
00:26:22,694 --> 00:26:23,174
Speaker 3: That's not me.

616
00:26:23,534 --> 00:26:25,744
Speaker 1: I know. But I can't talk to Michael Davies. He's

617
00:26:25,764 --> 00:26:26,104
Speaker 1: not here.

618
00:26:26,204 --> 00:26:30,023
Speaker 2: So I was happy to go back. And then to

619
00:26:30,104 --> 00:26:32,864
Speaker 2: stand on that stage with real Jeopardy, it is just

620
00:26:32,944 --> 00:26:35,864
Speaker 2: a different... That's how I know it's a strongest two-year-old.

621
00:26:35,884 --> 00:26:39,984
Speaker 2: Because the level... To be quite honest, some of those questions...

622
00:26:40,074 --> 00:26:41,654
Speaker 2: you would read the answer, somebody that you would read

623
00:26:41,694 --> 00:26:44,654
Speaker 2: the answer, and to me, I heard, this, yada de

624
00:26:44,694 --> 00:26:45,474
Speaker 2: yada de yada.

625
00:26:45,494 --> 00:26:46,994
Speaker 3: It's like the teacher in Peanuts.

626
00:26:47,054 --> 00:26:49,344
Speaker 1: It's a little bit like the teacher in Peanuts. And

627
00:26:49,384 --> 00:26:52,204
Speaker 1: I was just like, you got it? Nope. You got it?

628
00:26:52,324 --> 00:26:54,064
Speaker 2: And then the worst part is if neither one got it,

629
00:26:54,064 --> 00:26:55,494
Speaker 2: and you'd be like, can I even take a stab

630
00:26:55,534 --> 00:26:56,774
Speaker 2: at that? No kidding, I do not want to take

631
00:26:56,794 --> 00:26:57,094
Speaker 2: a stab at that.

632
00:26:58,944 --> 00:27:00,844
Speaker 3: I'm just here because I don't want to get fired.

633
00:27:00,944 --> 00:27:04,004
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the area of answer is at.

634
00:27:04,044 --> 00:27:04,644
Speaker 1: I don't even know.

635
00:27:04,704 --> 00:27:08,354
Speaker 2: So it's just the level of depth. I mean, I'm

636
00:27:08,394 --> 00:27:11,474
Speaker 2: saying I'm mad, but I was so impressed and also

637
00:27:11,514 --> 00:27:14,054
Speaker 2: so aware of how much more nervous the contestants are.

638
00:27:14,074 --> 00:27:16,624
Speaker 1: Oh, man. versus the celebrities.

639
00:27:16,944 --> 00:27:19,364
Speaker 3: Well, the celebrities are on camera. And for a contestant,

640
00:27:19,384 --> 00:27:21,824
Speaker 3: that's the hard part. Of course I'm going to be

641
00:27:21,844 --> 00:27:25,484
Speaker 3: able to answer trivia questions about Warren G. Harding, but

642
00:27:25,504 --> 00:27:26,674
Speaker 3: there's cameras and lights.

643
00:27:26,754 --> 00:27:28,554
Speaker 2: And those cameras and lights are real, and the studio

644
00:27:28,614 --> 00:27:30,674
Speaker 2: is bright and everything. And plus, one of the guys

645
00:27:30,734 --> 00:27:31,793
Speaker 2: next to me, he was on a cast.

646
00:27:33,094 --> 00:27:34,394
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

647
00:27:34,514 --> 00:27:35,214
Speaker 3: I remember that.

648
00:27:35,234 --> 00:27:36,553
Speaker 2: And it was just like, so I was like, this

649
00:27:36,574 --> 00:27:39,564
Speaker 2: guy's playing injured. And I'm in here just like, hope

650
00:27:39,604 --> 00:27:40,844
Speaker 2: I make it to Final Jeopardy.

651
00:27:40,904 --> 00:27:41,304
Speaker 1: And I did.

652
00:27:42,304 --> 00:27:45,224
Speaker 3: Clearly, we love the production value of having the Celebrity

653
00:27:45,264 --> 00:27:46,224
Speaker 3: Jeopardy folks come back.

654
00:27:46,264 --> 00:27:46,844
Speaker 1: It's fun.

655
00:27:47,664 --> 00:27:50,084
Speaker 3: I was a little bit skeptical. But then what ruined

656
00:27:50,144 --> 00:27:53,234
Speaker 3: it was Ike Barinholtz actually going deep in the tournament. Yeah.

657
00:27:53,374 --> 00:27:55,434
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's sort of doing us celebrities too proud. Don't

658
00:27:55,454 --> 00:27:56,754
Speaker 1: make us all look smart. Yeah. Yeah.

659
00:27:57,074 --> 00:27:59,714
Speaker 3: Yeah, like maybe the first year should have been somebody else.

660
00:27:59,754 --> 00:28:00,134
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

661
00:28:00,154 --> 00:28:02,594
Speaker 3: Because now everybody's like, well, Ike almost went to the finals.

662
00:28:02,774 --> 00:28:04,174
Speaker 2: Like I said, somebody told me, you made it to

663
00:28:04,194 --> 00:28:05,944
Speaker 2: Final Jeopardy. That's pretty good. I was like, great, I'm

664
00:28:05,954 --> 00:28:06,734
Speaker 2: going to take that with me.

665
00:28:06,944 --> 00:28:09,324
Speaker 3: I remember there were a couple good categories for you

666
00:28:09,364 --> 00:28:11,304
Speaker 3: in that show, and that's what I always tell Jeopardy

667
00:28:11,404 --> 00:28:14,513
Speaker 3: contestants is like, Not everybody's going to win. That's just

668
00:28:14,534 --> 00:28:16,294
Speaker 3: not how the format goes. But like, there's going to

669
00:28:16,314 --> 00:28:18,874
Speaker 3: be little moments where you're going to feel like, hey,

670
00:28:19,034 --> 00:28:22,484
Speaker 3: like something, like Shintoism, something in my head paid off

671
00:28:22,584 --> 00:28:26,283
Speaker 3: in the real world. And that's such a good validating feeling.

672
00:28:26,344 --> 00:28:28,464
Speaker 3: It's really the engine, I think, that keeps Jeopardy on

673
00:28:28,504 --> 00:28:32,234
Speaker 3: the air is that amazing feeling of I remembered something,

674
00:28:32,654 --> 00:28:34,523
Speaker 3: and then it actually worked in public.

675
00:28:34,644 --> 00:28:36,684
Speaker 2: There was a Charles Darwin category on one of my

676
00:28:36,724 --> 00:28:38,904
Speaker 2: Celebrity Jeopardy, one of my championship.

677
00:28:38,464 --> 00:28:40,804
Speaker 1: Run, that I nailed a bunch of them in a row.

678
00:28:40,824 --> 00:28:42,724
Speaker 2: I felt like, look at me knowing about Charles Darwin,

679
00:28:42,764 --> 00:28:44,374
Speaker 2: even though I didn't know I knew about Charles Darwin.

680
00:28:44,804 --> 00:28:47,754
Speaker 3: Somewhere, some high school or college professor is so proud

681
00:28:47,814 --> 00:28:48,414
Speaker 3: of you right now.

682
00:28:48,474 --> 00:28:51,774
Speaker 2: We talked a lot about that. Yeah, so why do

683
00:28:51,794 --> 00:28:54,454
Speaker 2: you think you took to hosting so... Like, I'm sure

684
00:28:54,474 --> 00:28:57,124
Speaker 2: there was rough edges, but by the time you got

685
00:28:57,184 --> 00:28:59,554
Speaker 2: to hosting the show... you just seemed like you were

686
00:28:59,574 --> 00:29:02,534
Speaker 2: such a natural. What is it about you specifically that,

687
00:29:02,554 --> 00:29:04,774
Speaker 2: because not everybody is going to be able to do that.

688
00:29:04,834 --> 00:29:06,754
Speaker 1: Not every celebrity Jeopardy! champion is going to be able

689
00:29:06,774 --> 00:29:09,624
Speaker 1: to segue into just being the host of Jeopardy!

690
00:29:09,804 --> 00:29:12,164
Speaker 3: Maybe that's true, but I think you do have a- 100%

691
00:29:12,164 --> 00:29:13,604
Speaker 3: that's true. Well, you have a leg up is what

692
00:29:13,624 --> 00:29:14,004
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

693
00:29:14,024 --> 00:29:14,264
Speaker 1: Yes.

694
00:29:14,464 --> 00:29:17,024
Speaker 3: Because the show is so much its own thing, it

695
00:29:17,064 --> 00:29:20,194
Speaker 3: moves at a weird speed that other shows don't. It's very,

696
00:29:20,734 --> 00:29:23,594
Speaker 3: it's got this kind of straitjacketed format where like, if

697
00:29:23,614 --> 00:29:26,804
Speaker 3: you watch Jeopardy! tonight, Almost to the second, it's going

698
00:29:26,824 --> 00:29:30,624
Speaker 3: to feel like a show from 1994 or 1974. Like,

699
00:29:30,644 --> 00:29:31,744
Speaker 3: the format is all.

700
00:29:32,024 --> 00:29:32,224
Speaker 1: Yeah.

701
00:29:32,324 --> 00:29:36,404
Speaker 3: And then the knowledge is all. Like, really, like, the

702
00:29:36,444 --> 00:29:38,614
Speaker 3: show was kind of powered by your sense that Alex

703
00:29:38,684 --> 00:29:40,514
Speaker 3: was kind of in charge and did kind of know

704
00:29:40,534 --> 00:29:40,954
Speaker 3: that stuff.

705
00:29:41,114 --> 00:29:41,614
Speaker 1: Because he did.

706
00:29:42,294 --> 00:29:44,234
Speaker 3: You know, like, he was a smart dad with a

707
00:29:44,294 --> 00:29:46,174
Speaker 3: basement full of National Geographic.

708
00:29:46,954 --> 00:29:49,404
Speaker 2: And I also imagine by hosting the show over many,

709
00:29:49,444 --> 00:29:52,484
Speaker 2: many years, you're also you're also you're hearing those questions

710
00:29:52,544 --> 00:29:53,584
Speaker 2: and answers over and over again.

711
00:29:53,644 --> 00:29:53,864
Speaker 1: Yeah.

712
00:29:53,964 --> 00:29:56,304
Speaker 3: At first, maybe he was just kind of like a

713
00:29:56,344 --> 00:29:58,504
Speaker 3: regular guy. Yeah, just a regular kind of a dapper

714
00:29:58,524 --> 00:30:01,074
Speaker 3: guy with a mustache and real cream in the hair.

715
00:30:01,194 --> 00:30:01,674
Speaker 1: And yeah.

716
00:30:01,874 --> 00:30:04,554
Speaker 3: And then suddenly he kind of became this authority.

717
00:30:04,614 --> 00:30:07,094
Speaker 2: It's like a performance enhancing drug over many years. Like

718
00:30:07,114 --> 00:30:08,454
Speaker 2: suddenly now you do know how to do the thing.

719
00:30:08,474 --> 00:30:09,474
Speaker 3: I think that's true.

720
00:30:09,614 --> 00:30:09,814
Speaker 1: Yeah.

721
00:30:10,014 --> 00:30:12,634
Speaker 3: And so it really gives the show credibility because you're like, oh, well,

722
00:30:12,674 --> 00:30:14,644
Speaker 3: the Alex seemed to, he said that in a very

723
00:30:14,694 --> 00:30:17,484
Speaker 3: convincing accent or if he was like, oh no, not

724
00:30:17,524 --> 00:30:19,764
Speaker 3: the 30 years war, Ken, you were, you were thinking

725
00:30:19,784 --> 00:30:23,244
Speaker 3: of the hundred years war, you know, like he really

726
00:30:23,444 --> 00:30:25,344
Speaker 3: knew that kind of stuff. And there's not a lot

727
00:30:25,364 --> 00:30:28,664
Speaker 3: of shows that have that kind of authenticity, you know,

728
00:30:29,164 --> 00:30:31,664
Speaker 3: where you're aware that there's no prompter and anything can happen.

729
00:30:32,264 --> 00:30:34,004
Speaker 3: And so I guess it just turned out, it was

730
00:30:34,104 --> 00:30:37,284
Speaker 3: easier to take somebody who understood Jeopardy and let them

731
00:30:37,324 --> 00:30:39,544
Speaker 3: figure out how to be a broadcaster. But to take

732
00:30:39,604 --> 00:30:41,894
Speaker 3: a broadcaster and have them figure out Jeopardy. Because I

733
00:30:41,934 --> 00:30:43,874
Speaker 3: did not have any kind of performance background.

734
00:30:43,894 --> 00:30:44,274
Speaker 1: Clearly.

735
00:30:44,334 --> 00:30:46,194
Speaker 2: That's why I want to dig down on this. Because

736
00:30:46,234 --> 00:30:49,974
Speaker 2: I do think you had some... It's like almost all

737
00:30:49,994 --> 00:30:51,974
Speaker 2: those years of being on Jeopardy helped. Then all those

738
00:30:51,994 --> 00:30:54,234
Speaker 2: years of being on all those podcasts and.

739
00:30:54,214 --> 00:30:55,674
Speaker 1: Being out in the world. I want to give comedians

740
00:30:55,694 --> 00:30:56,994
Speaker 1: some credit. I never thought about that.

741
00:30:57,014 --> 00:30:57,934
Speaker 3: I should thank Doug Benson.

742
00:30:58,054 --> 00:31:00,474
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think you should thank Doug Benson. I

743
00:31:00,494 --> 00:31:02,914
Speaker 2: never thought about that. Because there's also part of it

744
00:31:02,954 --> 00:31:03,994
Speaker 2: like knowing.

745
00:31:05,424 --> 00:31:09,104
Speaker 2: Being comfortable standing quietly when the thing is happening, not,

746
00:31:09,324 --> 00:31:12,554
Speaker 2: you know, being comfortable, like walking out and start. Cause that's,

747
00:31:12,834 --> 00:31:14,374
Speaker 2: you did that thing that people do. Like you don't

748
00:31:14,434 --> 00:31:16,374
Speaker 2: see him until it's time to go. And then the

749
00:31:16,414 --> 00:31:18,874
Speaker 2: lights turn on and you're out there. There's nothing about that.

750
00:31:18,894 --> 00:31:21,634
Speaker 2: That seems like you're still getting your sea legs. You know, you,

751
00:31:21,654 --> 00:31:24,324
Speaker 2: so that's the thing I think that, I want to

752
00:31:24,364 --> 00:31:26,824
Speaker 2: make sure average people know not it doesn't matter how

753
00:31:26,904 --> 00:31:29,414
Speaker 2: smart you are. There's just a there's a way in

754
00:31:29,454 --> 00:31:31,854
Speaker 2: which you have to be on TV that you can learn.

755
00:31:32,094 --> 00:31:34,474
Speaker 2: But you got to have some sort of like predisposition

756
00:31:34,514 --> 00:31:35,684
Speaker 2: for it because not everybody can learn it.

757
00:31:36,154 --> 00:31:37,354
Speaker 3: I guess like when I was a little kid, I

758
00:31:37,394 --> 00:31:39,474
Speaker 3: did some community theater, but I was never in high

759
00:31:39,494 --> 00:31:44,254
Speaker 3: school plays. I didn't have a band, no improv or whatever.

760
00:31:44,274 --> 00:31:45,134
Speaker 1: But like, you know.

761
00:31:45,174 --> 00:31:47,094
Speaker 3: You understand as a comedian, like just being on the

762
00:31:47,134 --> 00:31:50,034
Speaker 3: road kind of shapes you because you get a sense for, well,

763
00:31:50,054 --> 00:31:52,934
Speaker 3: that worked better last night than two nights ago, you know?

764
00:31:53,894 --> 00:31:55,814
Speaker 3: And so part of that was Jeopardy for me because

765
00:31:55,854 --> 00:31:58,944
Speaker 3: it's a great, cure for stage fright. Yes. As you know,

766
00:31:59,044 --> 00:32:01,364
Speaker 3: everything after Jeopardy is kind of less stressful than Jeopardy.

767
00:32:01,384 --> 00:32:01,824
Speaker 1: For sure.

768
00:32:02,654 --> 00:32:05,414
Speaker 3: Especially as a civilian, like I was. You're a performer,

769
00:32:05,454 --> 00:32:06,734
Speaker 3: but I was just some guy.

770
00:32:06,754 --> 00:32:07,194
Speaker 1: Yeah.

771
00:32:07,394 --> 00:32:10,774
Speaker 3: Computer programmer. And I think maybe another part of it

772
00:32:10,894 --> 00:32:16,264
Speaker 3: is just having seen Alex... do it, I realized you

773
00:32:16,284 --> 00:32:18,624
Speaker 3: could always just kind of do an impression of Alex

774
00:32:18,764 --> 00:32:21,004
Speaker 3: and you couldn't go wrong. You know, you would, it

775
00:32:21,044 --> 00:32:23,934
Speaker 3: would be a mimeograph of Alex, but it would still

776
00:32:23,954 --> 00:32:25,894
Speaker 3: be like, oh no, he had the right instinct here. Like,

777
00:32:26,534 --> 00:32:28,894
Speaker 3: like you mentioned holding still, like Alex was very much

778
00:32:28,994 --> 00:32:32,484
Speaker 3: like the shit was not about me. his ethos was like,

779
00:32:32,524 --> 00:32:34,664
Speaker 3: this show should be about the players and the clues.

780
00:32:35,064 --> 00:32:37,144
Speaker 3: And I kind of would go further than that. Like

781
00:32:37,384 --> 00:32:38,924
Speaker 3: to this day, I kind of think if you notice

782
00:32:38,984 --> 00:32:41,714
Speaker 3: anything I'm doing on Jeopardy, odds are something's gone wrong.

783
00:32:41,974 --> 00:32:44,694
Speaker 3: Like the host should kind of recede. And that was

784
00:32:44,734 --> 00:32:46,814
Speaker 3: an amazing thing that Alex knew that's very unusual in

785
00:32:46,834 --> 00:32:49,814
Speaker 3: show business. Like less of me, please. But I think

786
00:32:49,834 --> 00:32:50,874
Speaker 3: it's important for Jeopardy.

787
00:32:50,994 --> 00:32:53,184
Speaker 2: Well, and it means that when there is a moment

788
00:32:53,234 --> 00:32:56,184
Speaker 2: when You have a fun moment. You really shine through

789
00:32:56,224 --> 00:32:58,424
Speaker 2: or Alex would shine through when there was a fun

790
00:32:58,464 --> 00:32:59,124
Speaker 2: back and forth.

791
00:33:00,004 --> 00:33:01,224
Speaker 1: You got to pick your spot. You got to pick

792
00:33:01,244 --> 00:33:01,664
Speaker 1: your spot.

793
00:33:07,294 --> 00:33:09,494
Speaker 2: These days, there are more people than ever telling you

794
00:33:09,534 --> 00:33:11,734
Speaker 2: how to manage your health. Your social media feed is

795
00:33:11,894 --> 00:33:15,474
Speaker 2: packed with wellness trends telling you to cold plunge, protein max,

796
00:33:15,614 --> 00:33:16,494
Speaker 2: and so much more.

797
00:33:16,714 --> 00:33:19,824
Speaker 1: But what's actually real? What's exaggerated? And what's just plain wrong?

798
00:33:20,324 --> 00:33:22,904
Speaker 2: Health vs. Hype from the American Medical Association breaks it

799
00:33:23,024 --> 00:33:26,704
Speaker 2: all down. Emmy-nominated host Trace Dominguez talks to health influencers,

800
00:33:27,044 --> 00:33:31,054
Speaker 2: real people, and most importantly, to doctors to separate fact

801
00:33:31,094 --> 00:33:33,394
Speaker 2: from fiction. Because when it comes to your health, who

802
00:33:33,434 --> 00:33:36,834
Speaker 2: you listen to matters. Listen to Health vs. Hype wherever

803
00:33:36,854 --> 00:33:47,754
Speaker 2: you get your podcasts. And that's another thing, knowing how

804
00:33:47,774 --> 00:33:49,454
Speaker 2: to pick your spots, because you can very easily pick

805
00:33:49,474 --> 00:33:52,624
Speaker 2: too many spots. I just think there's a precision to

806
00:33:53,044 --> 00:33:55,864
Speaker 2: hosting that show that I noticed being up close. I

807
00:33:57,504 --> 00:34:00,764
Speaker 2: would say that by being on that show 75 days

808
00:34:00,804 --> 00:34:03,584
Speaker 2: in a row, you could have just not paid attention,

809
00:34:03,624 --> 00:34:06,244
Speaker 2: but clearly you were watching his precision, so then you

810
00:34:06,264 --> 00:34:07,994
Speaker 2: were able to emulate it because you've seen this guy

811
00:34:08,054 --> 00:34:11,914
Speaker 2: do this so many times. Even things like repeating a flub,

812
00:34:12,534 --> 00:34:14,714
Speaker 2: can get somebody in their head. We're like, oh, I

813
00:34:14,734 --> 00:34:17,574
Speaker 2: got to say the thing again. But I saw you

814
00:34:17,594 --> 00:34:19,634
Speaker 2: do that. So I was like, what?

815
00:34:19,654 --> 00:34:21,453
Speaker 1: Okay. And you were back in.

816
00:34:21,834 --> 00:34:23,113
Speaker 3: I know. Okay. If I pick it up here, I

817
00:34:23,134 --> 00:34:25,064
Speaker 3: know that at this point, I know like, well, the

818
00:34:25,084 --> 00:34:26,584
Speaker 3: camera's not on me at this point. I can just

819
00:34:26,623 --> 00:34:29,504
Speaker 3: pick it up there. And that's something you have to learn.

820
00:34:29,803 --> 00:34:31,443
Speaker 3: But I had seen Alex do it thousands of times

821
00:34:31,484 --> 00:34:33,863
Speaker 3: at home because I was a kid who would run

822
00:34:33,904 --> 00:34:35,384
Speaker 3: home from school every day to watch Jeopardy.

823
00:34:36,683 --> 00:34:37,643
Speaker 1: You may have been the kid.

824
00:34:37,663 --> 00:34:37,984
Speaker 2: Yeah.

825
00:34:39,143 --> 00:34:39,923
Speaker 3: It's a kind of kid.

826
00:34:40,584 --> 00:34:41,403
Speaker 1: No, you're right. Fair.

827
00:34:41,424 --> 00:34:41,964
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

828
00:34:41,984 --> 00:34:42,964
Speaker 1: Like the kid.

829
00:34:42,844 --> 00:34:44,984
Speaker 3: That just carries around the Guinness Book of World Records

830
00:34:45,064 --> 00:34:46,524
Speaker 3: and loves the amazing facts.

831
00:34:46,564 --> 00:34:46,943
Speaker 1: For sure.

832
00:34:47,084 --> 00:34:48,524
Speaker 3: The kid from Jerry Maguire, basically.

833
00:34:48,564 --> 00:34:49,283
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.

834
00:34:49,604 --> 00:34:51,564
Speaker 3: Like that's a type of kid. And I think they

835
00:34:51,604 --> 00:34:53,263
Speaker 3: just come out of the faucet that way. And I

836
00:34:53,283 --> 00:34:55,783
Speaker 3: don't know what it is about us. But it really

837
00:34:55,844 --> 00:34:58,903
Speaker 3: does define you when you... And when you're that kind

838
00:34:58,944 --> 00:35:02,754
Speaker 3: of kid, you know, if you have any self-awareness, you're like... oh,

839
00:35:02,993 --> 00:35:03,913
Speaker 3: I'm kind of a weirdo.

840
00:35:04,114 --> 00:35:06,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to learn you're a weirdo early so

841
00:35:06,433 --> 00:35:08,334
Speaker 2: that it doesn't surprise you out in the world.

842
00:35:08,794 --> 00:35:10,714
Speaker 3: And like nowadays, I think a kid will be like, well,

843
00:35:10,734 --> 00:35:12,283
Speaker 3: I'm a weirdo because that's how the culture is.

844
00:35:12,683 --> 00:35:14,484
Speaker 1: I'm a Jeopardy weirdo. But in the 80s, it.

845
00:35:14,444 --> 00:35:17,163
Speaker 3: Was like, none of my friends are like this into

846
00:35:17,384 --> 00:35:20,044
Speaker 3: Jeopardy or Trivial Pursuit. And so it was amazing to

847
00:35:20,084 --> 00:35:22,013
Speaker 3: turn on the TV because Alex would create this kind

848
00:35:22,053 --> 00:35:25,904
Speaker 3: of safe space where people were celebrated for knowing weird

849
00:35:25,944 --> 00:35:28,683
Speaker 3: stuff about anything, science or golf or who cares.

850
00:35:28,703 --> 00:35:29,923
Speaker 1: And applauded, yeah, yeah, yeah.

851
00:35:29,944 --> 00:35:31,604
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, oh, this guy just won money. She just

852
00:35:31,623 --> 00:35:34,564
Speaker 3: won a coffee table. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that

853
00:35:34,584 --> 00:35:37,084
Speaker 3: was very formative for me. And you had to listen

854
00:35:37,123 --> 00:35:40,034
Speaker 3: to Alex's voice because that was the timing of the buzzer.

855
00:35:40,114 --> 00:35:41,194
Speaker 3: You know the buzzer's tricky.

856
00:35:41,314 --> 00:35:42,634
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's what I tell everybody.

857
00:35:42,654 --> 00:35:45,133
Speaker 3: So, like, things about his performance you would zero in

858
00:35:45,194 --> 00:35:47,194
Speaker 3: on because you would realize how the game kind of

859
00:35:47,294 --> 00:35:48,494
Speaker 3: was him and his voice.

860
00:35:48,513 --> 00:35:48,693
Speaker 1: Yeah.

861
00:35:48,854 --> 00:35:50,954
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, like I think because when there was the

862
00:35:51,024 --> 00:35:53,623
Speaker 2: period where they were letting other people sort of try

863
00:35:53,663 --> 00:35:54,364
Speaker 2: out as host.

864
00:35:54,544 --> 00:35:57,123
Speaker 1: Right. And you're up against like people who are on

865
00:35:57,143 --> 00:35:57,763
Speaker 1: camera all the time.

866
00:35:57,783 --> 00:35:58,904
Speaker 3: Anderson Cooper, Katie Couric.

867
00:35:58,964 --> 00:35:59,404
Speaker 1: Exactly.

868
00:35:59,504 --> 00:36:00,523
Speaker 3: Legendary broadcaster.

869
00:36:00,564 --> 00:36:02,544
Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper. I don't want to compete against Anderson Cooper.

870
00:36:02,584 --> 00:36:04,453
Speaker 3: Robin Roberts, like amazing people.

871
00:36:04,533 --> 00:36:05,204
Speaker 1: Yes, yes.

872
00:36:05,533 --> 00:36:07,213
Speaker 2: And probably the only thing you had on your side

873
00:36:07,254 --> 00:36:08,714
Speaker 2: is many of them were too busy to actually.

874
00:36:08,513 --> 00:36:09,274
Speaker 1: Take the full-time job.

875
00:36:09,294 --> 00:36:10,133
Speaker 3: That was huge for me.

876
00:36:10,694 --> 00:36:12,794
Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper's like, I'm at 60 Minutes and I'm at CNN.

877
00:36:12,834 --> 00:36:14,274
Speaker 1: I probably can't fit in Jeopardy.

878
00:36:14,354 --> 00:36:16,654
Speaker 3: I'm sure Robin Roberts would love to host Jeopardy, but, like,

879
00:36:16,734 --> 00:36:18,294
Speaker 3: morning shows needed her at that time.

880
00:36:18,314 --> 00:36:19,314
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when you got to get up at 2.30

881
00:36:19,314 --> 00:36:21,274
Speaker 1: in the morning every day. Exactly.

882
00:36:21,734 --> 00:36:23,654
Speaker 3: And a lot of those people, like, I heard, Anderson

883
00:36:23,674 --> 00:36:26,484
Speaker 3: Cooper interviewed me after that, and he said, like, you know, I've...

884
00:36:28,183 --> 00:36:31,533
Speaker 3: I've taped in war zones and nothing prepares you for Jeopardy. Technically,

885
00:36:32,053 --> 00:36:34,774
Speaker 3: it's a very hard job. And I've had people tell me,

886
00:36:34,794 --> 00:36:37,453
Speaker 3: I heard this from Peter Sagal of NPR, who was

887
00:36:37,493 --> 00:36:39,823
Speaker 3: a Jeopardy contestant back in the day. And he just

888
00:36:39,844 --> 00:36:42,924
Speaker 3: remembers Alex grousing kind of in general about how nobody

889
00:36:42,964 --> 00:36:45,283
Speaker 3: understands this job's so hard. Most game shows can just

890
00:36:45,324 --> 00:36:48,334
Speaker 3: show up and- But this job requires so much, and

891
00:36:48,774 --> 00:36:51,114
Speaker 3: he wasn't wrong. It's a difficult job. No, it is different.

892
00:36:51,134 --> 00:36:52,973
Speaker 1: I mean, no shade to other game shows, but a

893
00:36:52,993 --> 00:36:56,393
Speaker 1: little bit of shade. Because at the end of the day,

894
00:36:56,594 --> 00:36:58,433
Speaker 1: it's not about, let me be clear, one of my

895
00:36:58,473 --> 00:37:00,993
Speaker 1: favorite all-time game shows is Deal or No Deal. So good.

896
00:37:01,013 --> 00:37:04,143
Speaker 2: Because it's just, can you say numbers out loud? If

897
00:37:04,163 --> 00:37:06,004
Speaker 2: you can say numbers out loud, you can play the

898
00:37:06,044 --> 00:37:11,624
Speaker 2: entire game. There's nothing else happening. And if the host

899
00:37:11,663 --> 00:37:13,383
Speaker 2: can repeat the number you said, then he can play

900
00:37:13,424 --> 00:37:13,883
Speaker 2: the entire game.

901
00:37:13,904 --> 00:37:16,614
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's trying to compete without dramatic briefcase reveals.

902
00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:17,074
Speaker 1: No.

903
00:37:17,094 --> 00:37:19,093
Speaker 3: We do not have dramatic briefcases.

904
00:37:19,194 --> 00:37:22,613
Speaker 2: Nobody's in an off-the-shoulder dress unless the contestant wants to

905
00:37:22,654 --> 00:37:23,073
Speaker 2: wear one.

906
00:37:23,094 --> 00:37:25,533
Speaker 1: True. Which they don't seem to encourage that. It seems

907
00:37:25,553 --> 00:37:26,883
Speaker 1: to be very sort of business casual.

908
00:37:26,904 --> 00:37:27,403
Speaker 3: That's right.

909
00:37:27,544 --> 00:37:31,894
Speaker 2: But so that like, and as you know, from social media,

910
00:37:32,114 --> 00:37:33,893
Speaker 2: if you mess up something.

911
00:37:34,614 --> 00:37:35,234
Speaker 3: Yeah, people love that.

912
00:37:35,254 --> 00:37:36,814
Speaker 2: People are going to say something, and they're going to

913
00:37:36,834 --> 00:37:39,274
Speaker 2: be happy to say something, and they're becoming, you know.

914
00:37:39,574 --> 00:37:41,674
Speaker 3: Nowadays, contestants are like, I just don't want to go viral,

915
00:37:41,993 --> 00:37:44,513
Speaker 3: you know? And that's, I'm very glad I was on

916
00:37:44,553 --> 00:37:46,453
Speaker 3: in 2004 when that was harder.

917
00:37:46,714 --> 00:37:49,494
Speaker 2: You know, the idea that, like, if the host messes

918
00:37:49,553 --> 00:37:51,513
Speaker 2: up something, then people are going to talk about it.

919
00:37:51,513 --> 00:37:54,443
Speaker 2: The other thing I want to ask you about, which

920
00:37:54,453 --> 00:37:57,484
Speaker 2: I am happy to see, just because I feel this,

921
00:37:57,564 --> 00:38:00,123
Speaker 2: I live in Oakland. I would imagine when you became

922
00:38:00,143 --> 00:38:03,024
Speaker 2: the host of Jeopardy that some people, people were in

923
00:38:03,044 --> 00:38:03,403
Speaker 2: your ear.

924
00:38:03,324 --> 00:38:04,643
Speaker 1: Going, you need to move to LA.

925
00:38:05,663 --> 00:38:08,323
Speaker 2: Oh. You need, now, because also, now that you got

926
00:38:08,364 --> 00:38:11,033
Speaker 2: this opportunity, we can really turn you into, you know,

927
00:38:11,094 --> 00:38:12,913
Speaker 2: you can be a Mission Impossible 9, you know what

928
00:38:12,933 --> 00:38:13,274
Speaker 2: I mean?

929
00:38:13,594 --> 00:38:15,533
Speaker 1: Or you can be the new spokesperson.

930
00:38:14,973 --> 00:38:17,423
Speaker 3: For- That famous Jeopardy to Mission Impossible pipeline.

931
00:38:17,444 --> 00:38:19,783
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, or you can be the new spokesperson for,

932
00:38:21,104 --> 00:38:23,343
Speaker 2: what is that, the, the whatever Ed McMahon used to

933
00:38:23,364 --> 00:38:27,494
Speaker 2: do with the publishers. But there's, there's opportunity. Cause now

934
00:38:27,533 --> 00:38:30,873
Speaker 2: you're immediately like 90% more famous cause you're the host

935
00:38:30,893 --> 00:38:33,774
Speaker 2: of jeopardy and there's more business opportunity. And you should

936
00:38:33,794 --> 00:38:36,134
Speaker 2: come down here and audition for the best friend in

937
00:38:36,174 --> 00:38:36,754
Speaker 2: a sitcom.

938
00:38:36,774 --> 00:38:39,173
Speaker 3: You know, it is a big bump to, to host

939
00:38:39,223 --> 00:38:42,924
Speaker 3: jeopardy rather than like be that one guy from jeopardy.

940
00:38:43,544 --> 00:38:45,863
Speaker 3: And I did not expect that. Um, Was there any

941
00:38:45,904 --> 00:38:50,003
Speaker 3: sort of lightweight talk? I think people think I live there, honestly.

942
00:38:50,024 --> 00:38:53,074
Speaker 1: Well, of course they do. You're the host of Jeopardy!

943
00:38:53,433 --> 00:38:55,693
Speaker 3: It's a very easy commute from Seattle. I have really

944
00:38:55,714 --> 00:38:57,413
Speaker 3: good Alaska Airlines status at this point.

945
00:38:57,473 --> 00:38:58,013
Speaker 1: Oh, that's funny.

946
00:38:58,033 --> 00:38:59,714
Speaker 3: But I was not really tempted to. And a lot

947
00:38:59,754 --> 00:39:02,784
Speaker 3: of it, I think, it goes back to winning on Jeopardy!

948
00:39:02,824 --> 00:39:03,404
Speaker 3: in 2004 and just thinking.

949
00:39:05,913 --> 00:39:09,714
Speaker 3: I cannot let this blow up my life. Like, because

950
00:39:09,734 --> 00:39:13,504
Speaker 3: you hear about the downsides of fame, the downsides of money.

951
00:39:13,524 --> 00:39:14,983
Speaker 1: It's kind of like being a lottery winner.

952
00:39:15,203 --> 00:39:17,324
Speaker 3: Exactly. Like you would read stories about all these lottery

953
00:39:17,364 --> 00:39:19,604
Speaker 3: winners who would just do the, you know, like half

954
00:39:19,623 --> 00:39:22,004
Speaker 3: of them are out of money in five years. And

955
00:39:22,504 --> 00:39:24,034
Speaker 3: like a lot of them just tell their bosses to

956
00:39:24,074 --> 00:39:25,953
Speaker 3: shove it. And then a year later, they're like, can I,

957
00:39:25,973 --> 00:39:28,194
Speaker 3: you know, or a week later, they're like, can I

958
00:39:28,194 --> 00:39:28,933
Speaker 3: have my job back?

959
00:39:28,953 --> 00:39:30,764
Speaker 1: Can I clean up where I told you to shove it?

960
00:39:30,933 --> 00:39:32,114
Speaker 1: Can you do that?

961
00:39:32,654 --> 00:39:34,263
Speaker 3: And so I was just one thing that I was

962
00:39:34,344 --> 00:39:36,604
Speaker 3: lucky in is that I was already like pushing 30

963
00:39:36,604 --> 00:39:38,474
Speaker 3: at the time it happened. You know, I was not

964
00:39:38,533 --> 00:39:39,993
Speaker 3: in a boy band or whatever, you know, like I

965
00:39:40,013 --> 00:39:42,504
Speaker 3: was old enough to know better. And we already had like,

966
00:39:43,183 --> 00:39:45,064
Speaker 3: my kid had been born. I was happily married. We

967
00:39:45,084 --> 00:39:47,663
Speaker 3: had a little starter house outside Salt Lake City. Like

968
00:39:47,703 --> 00:39:50,264
Speaker 3: we were pretty good. And I was like, at all costs,

969
00:39:50,344 --> 00:39:55,053
Speaker 3: let's not F this up. And so that happened again here.

970
00:39:55,114 --> 00:39:56,653
Speaker 3: Like my kids were still, I still had a kid

971
00:39:56,674 --> 00:39:59,013
Speaker 3: at home in high school when I started hosting. We're

972
00:39:59,033 --> 00:40:02,573
Speaker 3: very happy in Seattle. It's kind of low key here. Um,

973
00:40:02,933 --> 00:40:06,033
Speaker 3: the last thing we wanted was to, to blow anything up.

974
00:40:06,513 --> 00:40:08,194
Speaker 1: I just would imagine, like, I've never lived in LA

975
00:40:08,214 --> 00:40:08,573
Speaker 1: or New York.

976
00:40:08,634 --> 00:40:09,694
Speaker 2: I lived in New York for two years when I

977
00:40:09,714 --> 00:40:11,413
Speaker 2: had a TV show, but like, I've never lived in

978
00:40:11,553 --> 00:40:13,053
Speaker 2: LA and I've always just been like, if you need

979
00:40:13,074 --> 00:40:14,893
Speaker 2: me down there, I'll come down there. And I mean,

980
00:40:14,913 --> 00:40:17,214
Speaker 2: we're not in the same exact type of show business,

981
00:40:17,234 --> 00:40:19,854
Speaker 2: but I would just imagine that like, there would be

982
00:40:19,893 --> 00:40:21,873
Speaker 2: somebody being like, if you came down here, we could

983
00:40:21,893 --> 00:40:24,364
Speaker 2: really make you, you know, that there's like, there's, there's

984
00:40:24,404 --> 00:40:26,683
Speaker 2: more we can get out of this. That when Alex

985
00:40:26,723 --> 00:40:28,604
Speaker 2: had Jeopardy, it was enough to just be a game

986
00:40:28,623 --> 00:40:30,604
Speaker 2: show host. But now in show business, it's like, what

987
00:40:30,643 --> 00:40:32,493
Speaker 2: else are you doing? I know some Jeopardy. What else

988
00:40:32,513 --> 00:40:34,704
Speaker 2: you got going on? What other projects are you working on?

989
00:40:34,783 --> 00:40:36,784
Speaker 3: Maybe in my case, it's so clear that I like

990
00:40:36,864 --> 00:40:39,823
Speaker 3: really could not do any other show business job. I mean,

991
00:40:39,844 --> 00:40:41,663
Speaker 3: I do have people who are like, you know, we

992
00:40:41,703 --> 00:40:43,084
Speaker 3: could put you on Dancing with.

993
00:40:43,004 --> 00:40:45,004
Speaker 1: The Stars like that. That's what I'm talking about.

994
00:40:45,064 --> 00:40:46,123
Speaker 3: When are you doing Amazing Race?

995
00:40:46,803 --> 00:40:50,604
Speaker 2: Those random like sort of TV reach outs. Like, you know,

996
00:40:50,623 --> 00:40:53,504
Speaker 2: you can compete on the... the biggest littlest brother or the,

997
00:40:53,544 --> 00:40:55,744
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you could be on Traders or whatever.

998
00:40:55,964 --> 00:40:59,823
Speaker 3: I'm very lucky, like weirdly lucky where, like I would

999
00:40:59,844 --> 00:41:02,114
Speaker 3: have so little to gain from that, you know? Like

1000
00:41:02,473 --> 00:41:05,073
Speaker 3: if I went on Traders, maybe I'd have fun. Maybe

1001
00:41:05,114 --> 00:41:07,553
Speaker 3: I'd look like an idiot. It's unclear. But you know,

1002
00:41:07,734 --> 00:41:09,553
Speaker 3: I could just not go on Traders. What if I

1003
00:41:09,574 --> 00:41:11,774
Speaker 3: just stay home and watch Traders because it's an amazing show,

1004
00:41:11,794 --> 00:41:14,754
Speaker 3: but then I don't have to like, you know, be

1005
00:41:14,794 --> 00:41:15,213
Speaker 3: jet lagged.

1006
00:41:15,314 --> 00:41:17,693
Speaker 2: Well, also, I mean, I would imagine that some of this, well,

1007
00:41:17,723 --> 00:41:19,223
Speaker 2: this is the other thing I'm talking about because there's

1008
00:41:19,243 --> 00:41:22,823
Speaker 2: a part of you that feels like, that you understand

1009
00:41:22,884 --> 00:41:25,283
Speaker 2: the mantle of Jeopardy, which I think is different than

1010
00:41:25,324 --> 00:41:27,423
Speaker 2: the mantle of other game shows, as we've talked about.

1011
00:41:27,464 --> 00:41:29,743
Speaker 3: Just because of the heritage of it. The legacy of it.

1012
00:41:29,803 --> 00:41:31,183
Speaker 1: And also it's about knowledge.

1013
00:41:31,783 --> 00:41:35,204
Speaker 2: It's not about like, I mean, nothing against Drew Carey,

1014
00:41:35,223 --> 00:41:36,854
Speaker 2: but Price is Right and Jeopardy don't have the same,

1015
00:41:37,033 --> 00:41:39,953
Speaker 2: they both hold a lot of cultural space, but not

1016
00:41:39,993 --> 00:41:42,294
Speaker 2: the same sort of like cultural import.

1017
00:41:43,074 --> 00:41:44,854
Speaker 3: If somebody tells you at a party they won on

1018
00:41:44,893 --> 00:41:46,494
Speaker 3: Price is Right, you would be interested.

1019
00:41:46,694 --> 00:41:47,673
Speaker 1: I would like to hear the story.

1020
00:41:47,714 --> 00:41:48,734
Speaker 3: I would love to hear it. But if somebody tells

1021
00:41:48,754 --> 00:41:51,013
Speaker 3: you they won on Jeopardy, it's like a very different story.

1022
00:41:51,033 --> 00:41:53,033
Speaker 2: No, you step back and go, wait, what? And you start,

1023
00:41:53,493 --> 00:41:56,504
Speaker 2: what's your name? You really want to know the story of,

1024
00:41:56,513 --> 00:41:58,194
Speaker 2: you go, oh, I didn't realize you were a genius.

1025
00:41:58,214 --> 00:41:59,993
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It's like the, that there's

1026
00:42:00,013 --> 00:42:01,674
Speaker 1: a level, like you're a Jedi. I didn't realize you

1027
00:42:01,694 --> 00:42:02,873
Speaker 1: were a Jedi, you know, so.

1028
00:42:03,134 --> 00:42:05,334
Speaker 3: It really does have that. And I feel very lucky

1029
00:42:05,373 --> 00:42:06,613
Speaker 3: to be like on the coattails of that.

1030
00:42:06,634 --> 00:42:08,134
Speaker 2: So that means you have to carry the weight of

1031
00:42:08,194 --> 00:42:11,113
Speaker 2: like being the Obi-Wan of this thing, you know?

1032
00:42:11,283 --> 00:42:15,243
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess luckily, like, this makes Alex the

1033
00:42:15,283 --> 00:42:16,023
Speaker 3: Liam Neeson guy?

1034
00:42:16,384 --> 00:42:17,723
Speaker 1: Qui-Gon? I guess so.

1035
00:42:18,044 --> 00:42:20,084
Speaker 3: Or Yoda? I guess Alex Trebek is a good Yoda.

1036
00:42:20,143 --> 00:42:21,924
Speaker 1: Are you Luke Skywalker? I feel like maybe you're Luke Skywalker.

1037
00:42:21,944 --> 00:42:22,623
Speaker 3: I've never thought about this.

1038
00:42:22,643 --> 00:42:23,323
Speaker 1: I think you're Luke Skywalker.

1039
00:42:23,344 --> 00:42:25,084
Speaker 3: I kind of like Alex as Yoda because he's kind

1040
00:42:25,123 --> 00:42:25,623
Speaker 3: of cryptic.

1041
00:42:25,683 --> 00:42:27,064
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right. That still makes you

1042
00:42:27,084 --> 00:42:27,444
Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker.

1043
00:42:27,464 --> 00:42:29,663
Speaker 3: Like, Canada is kind of a remote, swampy planet.

1044
00:42:29,783 --> 00:42:30,084
Speaker 1: Yes.

1045
00:42:30,223 --> 00:42:31,403
Speaker 3: You know, to the north.

1046
00:42:32,933 --> 00:42:34,244
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all tracks.

1047
00:42:34,404 --> 00:42:36,044
Speaker 3: And Alex was kind of full of like kind of

1048
00:42:36,064 --> 00:42:39,064
Speaker 3: gnome-like wisdom, you know, quiet. But when he talked, you

1049
00:42:39,084 --> 00:42:41,084
Speaker 3: would be like, I believe that because it's Alex Trebek.

1050
00:42:41,123 --> 00:42:43,064
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he also seemed like he had a— Yoda

1051
00:42:43,084 --> 00:42:44,774
Speaker 2: has a little bit of a sarcastic streak.

1052
00:42:44,794 --> 00:42:45,694
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

1053
00:42:45,814 --> 00:42:48,274
Speaker 3: Alex was a little bit sassy and snarky and people

1054
00:42:48,294 --> 00:42:48,633
Speaker 3: like that.

1055
00:42:48,754 --> 00:42:49,653
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1056
00:42:50,074 --> 00:42:51,413
Speaker 2: But also, I want to give you a lot of

1057
00:42:51,453 --> 00:42:55,264
Speaker 2: credit because you— The thing about Jeopardy, and I saw,

1058
00:42:55,544 --> 00:42:57,483
Speaker 2: like you said, Alex talked about this, like not wanting

1059
00:42:57,504 --> 00:42:59,263
Speaker 2: the show to be political. Right.

1060
00:42:59,384 --> 00:43:02,364
Speaker 1: Or politically aligned, I guess. Right. Because to me, everything's

1061
00:43:02,404 --> 00:43:04,714
Speaker 1: political based on choices that are made. Thank you.

1062
00:43:04,763 --> 00:43:07,203
Speaker 3: Thank you for that Marxist reading of game shows.

1063
00:43:07,364 --> 00:43:07,974
Speaker 1: That's what we need.

1064
00:43:09,453 --> 00:43:14,123
Speaker 2: Well, there goes my hosting duties. But, like, not being

1065
00:43:14,143 --> 00:43:16,024
Speaker 2: politically aligned with the weather. And I love the fact

1066
00:43:16,064 --> 00:43:18,544
Speaker 2: that it's just based on knowledge, which for me is like, that.

1067
00:43:18,484 --> 00:43:20,323
Speaker 1: Actually makes it really political now.

1068
00:43:20,364 --> 00:43:24,074
Speaker 3: Weirdly, now that's a political stance. That, like, on Jeopardy,

1069
00:43:24,094 --> 00:43:27,594
Speaker 3: you can't say, what is the moon landing never happened, Ken?

1070
00:43:27,614 --> 00:43:30,064
Speaker 3: You know, like... Like, we're not going to go to

1071
00:43:30,104 --> 00:43:30,843
Speaker 3: the tape for that one.

1072
00:43:30,864 --> 00:43:31,323
Speaker 1: No, no, no.

1073
00:43:31,344 --> 00:43:34,444
Speaker 3: You don't need to turn to the table and be like...

1074
00:43:33,824 --> 00:43:37,794
Speaker 3: No alternative facts on Jeopardy. Like, on Jeopardy, questions have answers.

1075
00:43:37,873 --> 00:43:39,014
Speaker 3: Or I guess answers have questions.

1076
00:43:39,254 --> 00:43:39,473
Speaker 1: Yes.

1077
00:43:39,614 --> 00:43:42,053
Speaker 3: And that's like... I think that's kind of refreshing.

1078
00:43:42,174 --> 00:43:42,994
Speaker 1: It's totally refreshing.

1079
00:43:43,013 --> 00:43:45,584
Speaker 3: Because we have, like, a very diverse audience. It's young.

1080
00:43:45,643 --> 00:43:46,084
Speaker 2: It's old.

1081
00:43:46,163 --> 00:43:48,784
Speaker 3: It's blue states. It's red states. It's not just like...

1082
00:43:49,344 --> 00:43:52,623
Speaker 3: you know, blue haired baristas watching Jeopardy, like America watches Jeopardy.

1083
00:43:52,964 --> 00:43:54,714
Speaker 3: So the fact that we, for half an hour and I,

1084
00:43:54,783 --> 00:43:58,683
Speaker 3: we agree that like, actually, these are the facts, no

1085
00:43:58,703 --> 00:44:01,484
Speaker 3: matter what the podcaster told you about vaccines. These are

1086
00:44:01,504 --> 00:44:01,984
Speaker 3: the facts.

1087
00:44:02,044 --> 00:44:02,163
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1088
00:44:02,183 --> 00:44:04,604
Speaker 2: These are the facts that according to, and we will

1089
00:44:04,643 --> 00:44:05,963
Speaker 2: cite our sources if you need us to.

1090
00:44:06,024 --> 00:44:09,513
Speaker 3: Exactly. Like, so for half an hour, expertise and scholarly

1091
00:44:09,553 --> 00:44:12,933
Speaker 3: consensus still matter. And maybe that's a way forward, I.

1092
00:44:13,154 --> 00:44:14,913
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think, and so I appreciate that, that

1093
00:44:14,933 --> 00:44:17,413
Speaker 2: it's like, we're not, we're not here to talk about,

1094
00:44:17,433 --> 00:44:19,774
Speaker 2: we're only talking about politicians as trivia questions, not as

1095
00:44:19,814 --> 00:44:22,553
Speaker 2: like who the leader, not who you should be voting for,

1096
00:44:22,714 --> 00:44:23,013
Speaker 2: but you know.

1097
00:44:23,033 --> 00:44:25,513
Speaker 3: Exactly. And I do still get, you know, people will

1098
00:44:25,533 --> 00:44:27,973
Speaker 3: still get annoyed. Like, hey, why did you do that

1099
00:44:28,094 --> 00:44:31,254
Speaker 3: clue about, you know, some Kristi Noem or, you know, some,

1100
00:44:31,493 --> 00:44:34,403
Speaker 3: some divisive figure? And I'm like, well, you know, we,

1101
00:44:35,033 --> 00:44:38,623
Speaker 3: you know, we also asked about like, uh, Goebbels that night,

1102
00:44:38,663 --> 00:44:41,863
Speaker 3: you know, like, yeah. Like, it's not an endorsement. No, no, no.

1103
00:44:41,884 --> 00:44:44,104
Speaker 3: We ask about Stalin, you know? A Jeopardy clue is

1104
00:44:44,143 --> 00:44:46,244
Speaker 3: not an endorsement. It just says we ask about everything

1105
00:44:46,283 --> 00:44:47,643
Speaker 3: because that's the Jeopardy ethos.

1106
00:44:47,783 --> 00:44:49,623
Speaker 2: And I do appreciate the fact that knowledge is sort

1107
00:44:49,663 --> 00:44:51,984
Speaker 2: of like, knowledge is just the thing.

1108
00:44:52,044 --> 00:44:54,004
Speaker 1: It's just stuff.

1109
00:44:54,104 --> 00:44:57,584
Speaker 2: So the more you know about the more things you know,

1110
00:44:57,604 --> 00:44:59,483
Speaker 2: the better it is for you generally, even if those things.

1111
00:44:59,384 --> 00:45:02,424
Speaker 3: Are— It's like building blocks of, like, becoming a person

1112
00:45:02,464 --> 00:45:04,513
Speaker 3: and making better decisions if you know more stuff.

1113
00:45:05,013 --> 00:45:07,174
Speaker 2: And so I think that's great. And then there's the

1114
00:45:07,234 --> 00:45:11,993
Speaker 2: social media version of you. Which I'm a fan of,

1115
00:45:12,013 --> 00:45:12,774
Speaker 2: I want to be clear.

1116
00:45:13,274 --> 00:45:17,424
Speaker 3: I guess Alex was always very careful to be apolitical

1117
00:45:17,464 --> 00:45:20,704
Speaker 3: in the sense that, you know, he didn't want people

1118
00:45:20,723 --> 00:45:23,334
Speaker 3: to know what his convictions were because... You know, that

1119
00:45:23,354 --> 00:45:25,274
Speaker 3: was— he came up in a world where he was actually

1120
00:45:25,314 --> 00:45:27,594
Speaker 3: a news broadcaster on the CBC. You know, he did everything,

1121
00:45:27,634 --> 00:45:30,513
Speaker 3: including the news. And that was kind of his view

1122
00:45:30,553 --> 00:45:32,933
Speaker 3: of how Jeopardy should be. With me, they just got

1123
00:45:32,953 --> 00:45:35,433
Speaker 3: to me too late. You know, by the time I

1124
00:45:35,714 --> 00:45:38,834
Speaker 3: was guest hosting Jeopardy, like, people already knew what my

1125
00:45:38,854 --> 00:45:39,314
Speaker 3: politics were.

1126
00:45:39,334 --> 00:45:40,173
Speaker 1: You'd already said some things.

1127
00:45:40,354 --> 00:45:43,654
Speaker 3: And also Alex, you know— Alex didn't have to host

1128
00:45:44,013 --> 00:45:45,794
Speaker 3: in the times we're in now, you know?

1129
00:45:45,814 --> 00:45:47,814
Speaker 2: No, there was a very different... I mean, Alex is

1130
00:45:47,834 --> 00:45:50,173
Speaker 2: almost out of the studio system of Hollywood, like, era.

1131
00:45:50,254 --> 00:45:50,713
Speaker 1: It's not.

1132
00:45:51,114 --> 00:45:54,274
Speaker 2: It's a very different time and space of... And show

1133
00:45:54,294 --> 00:45:56,263
Speaker 2: business is a much smaller business, and yeah.

1134
00:45:56,364 --> 00:45:58,744
Speaker 3: If your assumption is that Alex shares your politics just

1135
00:45:58,763 --> 00:46:01,483
Speaker 3: because he never said what the other guys say, like,

1136
00:46:01,824 --> 00:46:04,104
Speaker 3: I think you would have been very surprised. Like, an

1137
00:46:04,143 --> 00:46:06,464
Speaker 3: Alex Trebek who is still alive and hosting Jeopardy in...

1138
00:46:06,404 --> 00:46:09,584
Speaker 3: 2026 probably would have been a lot less circumspect because

1139
00:46:09,604 --> 00:46:11,663
Speaker 3: we're in a very difficult, different time.

1140
00:46:11,723 --> 00:46:14,143
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I appreciate. Cause I would imagine I've

1141
00:46:14,163 --> 00:46:14,863
Speaker 1: been in this position too.

1142
00:46:14,904 --> 00:46:16,703
Speaker 2: I worked at CNN for seven years where there's like

1143
00:46:16,723 --> 00:46:18,964
Speaker 2: a sense of like, I know they know who I am,

1144
00:46:19,024 --> 00:46:21,104
Speaker 2: but maybe I shouldn't say this at this moment because

1145
00:46:21,143 --> 00:46:22,383
Speaker 2: of X, Y, and Z. And often I'd be like,

1146
00:46:22,453 --> 00:46:23,893
Speaker 2: I think I gotta say it, but I'm in a

1147
00:46:23,913 --> 00:46:25,893
Speaker 2: different position than you are. And I would imagine that there,

1148
00:46:26,234 --> 00:46:28,754
Speaker 2: you could feel whether or not I was, you know,

1149
00:46:28,794 --> 00:46:31,334
Speaker 2: I often say that like, they don't pay you to

1150
00:46:31,453 --> 00:46:32,513
Speaker 2: say things sometimes.

1151
00:46:32,574 --> 00:46:33,933
Speaker 1: They pay you because they know you're not going to

1152
00:46:33,993 --> 00:46:35,904
Speaker 1: say them. You know what I mean? Like, some people

1153
00:46:35,944 --> 00:46:36,304
Speaker 1: get paid.

1154
00:46:36,324 --> 00:46:38,784
Speaker 2: It's like, we don't have to worry about this person

1155
00:46:38,803 --> 00:46:40,123
Speaker 2: because they already know what the deal is.

1156
00:46:40,163 --> 00:46:40,954
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? We don't have to.

1157
00:46:41,243 --> 00:46:46,884
Speaker 2: But you're... You have been very... You've said many things politically.

1158
00:46:46,944 --> 00:46:48,584
Speaker 2: I'm like, I agree with that. You know what I mean?

1159
00:46:49,384 --> 00:46:51,634
Speaker 2: And express support for things that I think... That I

1160
00:46:51,674 --> 00:46:52,633
Speaker 2: could see a version of you that's like.

1161
00:46:53,114 --> 00:46:54,734
Speaker 1: I agree with it, but I don't want to mess...

1162
00:46:54,594 --> 00:46:56,433
Speaker 1: You know, I'm new to Jeopardy. I don't want to,

1163
00:46:56,473 --> 00:46:56,754
Speaker 1: you know.

1164
00:46:57,033 --> 00:46:57,674
Speaker 3: Here's the problem.

1165
00:46:57,873 --> 00:46:58,573
Speaker 1: Like....

1166
00:46:59,714 --> 00:47:01,893
Speaker 3: The things that I believe in, I think are... Like,

1167
00:47:01,933 --> 00:47:04,334
Speaker 3: Jeopardy is so important to me. But, like, if I

1168
00:47:04,373 --> 00:47:08,684
Speaker 3: had to sacrifice either my favorite game show or, like,

1169
00:47:08,783 --> 00:47:12,424
Speaker 3: my convictions of right and wrong, like, that's not really

1170
00:47:12,464 --> 00:47:15,564
Speaker 3: a close call. You know? Like, if I'm watching... If

1171
00:47:15,904 --> 00:47:17,344
Speaker 3: I'm watching Ice in the Twin Cities.

1172
00:47:17,364 --> 00:47:17,743
Speaker 1: There we go.

1173
00:47:17,984 --> 00:47:18,363
Speaker 3: You know?

1174
00:47:18,484 --> 00:47:18,764
Speaker 2: Like.

1175
00:47:19,683 --> 00:47:21,483
Speaker 3: That's going to make me mad. And I'm not going

1176
00:47:21,504 --> 00:47:22,484
Speaker 3: to react out of anger.

1177
00:47:22,723 --> 00:47:22,984
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1178
00:47:23,104 --> 00:47:25,683
Speaker 3: But I'm going to like, my rights as a citizen

1179
00:47:25,723 --> 00:47:28,064
Speaker 3: include like, I might go to a protest and people

1180
00:47:28,123 --> 00:47:30,283
Speaker 3: might see the host of Jeopardy to protest. People could

1181
00:47:30,303 --> 00:47:33,134
Speaker 3: look up my political contributions. Like, it's just not a

1182
00:47:33,174 --> 00:47:37,933
Speaker 3: secret anymore, you know? And I don't think we're in

1183
00:47:37,973 --> 00:47:40,873
Speaker 3: a moment where it's going to age particularly well to

1184
00:47:40,913 --> 00:47:41,573
Speaker 3: keep your head down.

1185
00:47:43,033 --> 00:47:45,473
Speaker 1: So first of all, I just, I want to give

1186
00:47:45,493 --> 00:47:46,913
Speaker 1: you a lot of credit.

1187
00:47:46,674 --> 00:47:48,944
Speaker 2: For that because that is just not what a lot

1188
00:47:48,973 --> 00:47:54,323
Speaker 2: of heterosexual straight white men among a certain level of income.

1189
00:47:54,504 --> 00:47:55,024
Speaker 3: Gen X.

1190
00:47:55,123 --> 00:47:56,283
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gen X, yeah.

1191
00:47:56,324 --> 00:48:00,723
Speaker 3: Politically the worst leaded gasoline brain generation.

1192
00:48:01,143 --> 00:48:04,314
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just not a thing that a person

1193
00:48:04,754 --> 00:48:08,094
Speaker 2: in your position always does, even if they know the difference.

1194
00:48:08,174 --> 00:48:11,594
Speaker 2: And so for me, you know, If you say something

1195
00:48:11,694 --> 00:48:13,714
Speaker 2: that is like, like, I don't agree with what's happening

1196
00:48:13,734 --> 00:48:17,073
Speaker 2: with ICE in Minneapolis. It just, I think it is,

1197
00:48:17,513 --> 00:48:19,533
Speaker 2: it is super helpful to people on the ground because

1198
00:48:19,553 --> 00:48:21,403
Speaker 2: they're like, look, even he's saying this.

1199
00:48:21,424 --> 00:48:23,724
Speaker 3: I want to normalize it. You know, like, and luckily.

1200
00:48:23,803 --> 00:48:24,974
Speaker 1: Normalize speaking up.

1201
00:48:24,984 --> 00:48:28,604
Speaker 3: Sorry. Yeah, I don't want to normalize ICE raids in Minneapolis.

1202
00:48:28,623 --> 00:48:30,544
Speaker 1: I thought we'd switched. Was it not clear?

1203
00:48:31,484 --> 00:48:34,263
Speaker 3: No, like when I see Jimmy Kimmel just talking in

1204
00:48:34,303 --> 00:48:37,464
Speaker 3: a loose but very direct, sincere way about what he

1205
00:48:37,504 --> 00:48:40,344
Speaker 3: believes about health care or whatever, I think, thank goodness

1206
00:48:40,364 --> 00:48:43,144
Speaker 3: that there's somebody on TV just being like a normal

1207
00:48:43,163 --> 00:48:48,403
Speaker 3: guy saying it's okay to have these opinions. And I think,

1208
00:48:48,904 --> 00:48:51,474
Speaker 3: you know, I don't love this culture of fear. Like,

1209
00:48:52,334 --> 00:48:55,593
Speaker 3: you know, athletes shut up and dribble, you know, like.

1210
00:48:56,413 --> 00:48:56,674
Speaker 1: No.

1211
00:48:57,033 --> 00:49:02,404
Speaker 2: Game show hosts, shut up and give the questions.

1212
00:49:02,504 --> 00:49:05,344
Speaker 3: I do shut up and get the questions, and that's fair.

1213
00:49:05,643 --> 00:49:07,723
Speaker 3: People would love to imagine that everybody they see on

1214
00:49:07,743 --> 00:49:09,403
Speaker 3: TV agrees with them in every respect.

1215
00:49:09,634 --> 00:49:11,133
Speaker 1: Or they just go home into a box and don't

1216
00:49:11,174 --> 00:49:12,294
Speaker 1: ever look at the outside world.

1217
00:49:12,694 --> 00:49:12,954
Speaker 3: Right.

1218
00:49:13,074 --> 00:49:13,993
Speaker 1: In a gold-plated box.

1219
00:49:14,033 --> 00:49:17,234
Speaker 3: But all these people just discovering now that nine-inch nails

1220
00:49:17,393 --> 00:49:21,904
Speaker 3: is not mega or whatever, you don't get to have— weird,

1221
00:49:21,944 --> 00:49:25,203
Speaker 3: fringy beliefs and assume that like Bruce Springsteen has your weird,

1222
00:49:25,223 --> 00:49:26,164
Speaker 3: fringy beliefs.

1223
00:49:26,203 --> 00:49:29,493
Speaker 2: Like you don't get both, you know? That Tom Rollins

1224
00:49:29,513 --> 00:49:31,363
Speaker 2: had that happen with Rage Against the Machine sometimes. Stay

1225
00:49:31,384 --> 00:49:32,094
Speaker 2: out of politics.

1226
00:49:32,114 --> 00:49:33,254
Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly.

1227
00:49:33,354 --> 00:49:35,133
Speaker 1: If you know, this band wouldn't exist without politics.

1228
00:49:35,154 --> 00:49:36,854
Speaker 3: Have you been following 20, 30 years of Tom Morello?

1229
00:49:36,873 --> 00:49:40,723
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I think that's fair.

1230
00:49:40,783 --> 00:49:42,883
Speaker 2: But like I said, I just want to give you again,

1231
00:49:42,904 --> 00:49:44,823
Speaker 2: give you your flowers for like because you could just

1232
00:49:45,604 --> 00:49:47,484
Speaker 2: choose to not because it would be easier.

1233
00:49:47,504 --> 00:49:49,924
Speaker 3: It would be much easier. It would be easier for me.

1234
00:49:49,924 --> 00:49:51,443
Speaker 2: I want to say I want to fan the flames

1235
00:49:51,484 --> 00:49:54,163
Speaker 2: of like keep doing it because it I know when

1236
00:49:54,203 --> 00:49:56,384
Speaker 2: I say stuff sometimes I'm like, I don't know if

1237
00:49:56,424 --> 00:50:00,613
Speaker 2: I again, same thing. This is making me angry. Again,

1238
00:50:00,674 --> 00:50:04,824
Speaker 2: never social media angry. That's how you lose jobs. But

1239
00:50:04,864 --> 00:50:06,364
Speaker 2: if you think it through and have a good post

1240
00:50:06,404 --> 00:50:07,984
Speaker 2: or a good thing to say, then say it. And

1241
00:50:08,044 --> 00:50:09,903
Speaker 2: I know sometimes I say it because I know it's...

1242
00:50:11,654 --> 00:50:14,854
Speaker 2: Fame is weird. You know, celebrity is weird. You know,

1243
00:50:14,913 --> 00:50:16,154
Speaker 2: I only found out I was a celebrity because you

1244
00:50:16,174 --> 00:50:17,654
Speaker 2: guys asked me about Celebrity Jeopardy.

1245
00:50:17,783 --> 00:50:18,444
Speaker 3: That's how you know.

1246
00:50:18,533 --> 00:50:20,383
Speaker 1: That's how you know. Seal of approval.

1247
00:50:20,964 --> 00:50:23,464
Speaker 2: This platform, if it's going to mean anything, it's going

1248
00:50:23,484 --> 00:50:25,363
Speaker 2: to be because I at least said something when things

1249
00:50:25,384 --> 00:50:26,863
Speaker 2: were wrong. And right now, a lot of things are

1250
00:50:26,884 --> 00:50:27,443
Speaker 2: super wrong.

1251
00:50:27,524 --> 00:50:31,104
Speaker 3: A lot of things are wrong. And listen, I don't like.

1252
00:50:32,033 --> 00:50:34,493
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be inflammatory. Like there was a

1253
00:50:34,533 --> 00:50:36,613
Speaker 3: time when I was pretty much freelancing and I could

1254
00:50:36,654 --> 00:50:38,473
Speaker 3: just go on social media and poke the bear. Yeah.

1255
00:50:39,013 --> 00:50:39,774
Speaker 3: And you know.

1256
00:50:39,794 --> 00:50:41,314
Speaker 1: And you got some pushback for that.

1257
00:50:41,354 --> 00:50:44,553
Speaker 3: Well, sure. Like everybody was saying dumb things on Twitter

1258
00:50:44,614 --> 00:50:46,044
Speaker 3: in 2012 and I'm no exception.

1259
00:50:46,444 --> 00:50:47,903
Speaker 2: And I, it's funny you say that because I feel

1260
00:50:47,924 --> 00:50:50,163
Speaker 2: like whenever I see a celebrity and you got, when

1261
00:50:50,183 --> 00:50:52,203
Speaker 2: you were interim host of Jeopardy, they found an old tweet.

1262
00:50:52,584 --> 00:50:56,024
Speaker 2: I feel like any tweet before like 2015 is kind

1263
00:50:56,044 --> 00:50:59,993
Speaker 2: of like, we didn't know. Like we, Now, people can

1264
00:51:00,013 --> 00:51:01,354
Speaker 2: say horrible things that I don't agree with.

1265
00:51:01,413 --> 00:51:03,214
Speaker 3: It was basically a John Hughes movie. We were just

1266
00:51:03,254 --> 00:51:04,834
Speaker 3: doing awful things on Twitter.

1267
00:51:04,913 --> 00:51:07,514
Speaker 2: Well, also, I remember when the idea of Twitter was

1268
00:51:07,533 --> 00:51:09,084
Speaker 2: sold to me by a couple of other stand-up comedians.

1269
00:51:09,303 --> 00:51:11,944
Speaker 1: It's like an open mic. You can say anything was

1270
00:51:11,984 --> 00:51:13,963
Speaker 1: how it was sold to me. And then I think

1271
00:51:14,024 --> 00:51:16,123
Speaker 1: Justine Sacco, the woman who... I'm sure you know who

1272
00:51:16,143 --> 00:51:16,924
Speaker 1: Justine Sacco is.

1273
00:51:17,024 --> 00:51:17,544
Speaker 3: I remember.

1274
00:51:17,584 --> 00:51:18,404
Speaker 1: The woman who said.

1275
00:51:18,303 --> 00:51:20,374
Speaker 2: Something horrible, then got on a plane to South Africa,

1276
00:51:20,393 --> 00:51:21,634
Speaker 2: and by the time she got off, she was an

1277
00:51:21,674 --> 00:51:24,794
Speaker 2: internationally trending story and had been fired from every job

1278
00:51:24,854 --> 00:51:28,214
Speaker 2: and has since disappeared from... That was when I was like... Oh,

1279
00:51:28,314 --> 00:51:30,554
Speaker 2: it's not that, but yeah.

1280
00:51:30,754 --> 00:51:33,323
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm actually, like, I'm totally aligned with the

1281
00:51:33,364 --> 00:51:38,323
Speaker 3: second point of view, you know? Like, you know, people

1282
00:51:38,364 --> 00:51:40,304
Speaker 3: should have, I should have thought more before I tweeted

1283
00:51:40,344 --> 00:51:41,763
Speaker 3: any given thing, you know?

1284
00:51:41,824 --> 00:51:41,944
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1285
00:51:42,444 --> 00:51:45,553
Speaker 3: But, like, nowadays, like, now that I'm not freelancing, I

1286
00:51:45,594 --> 00:51:49,914
Speaker 3: really do think, like, I don't say things just to, like...

1287
00:51:50,544 --> 00:51:53,274
Speaker 3: piss off an imaginary villain who disagrees with me. You know,

1288
00:51:53,294 --> 00:51:54,414
Speaker 3: that's a bad way to post.

1289
00:51:54,473 --> 00:51:54,713
Speaker 1: Yes.

1290
00:51:54,993 --> 00:51:57,794
Speaker 3: But like, if you say, for example, like, here's the

1291
00:51:57,814 --> 00:52:01,844
Speaker 3: kind of candidate I think the opposition party should nominate

1292
00:52:01,884 --> 00:52:05,314
Speaker 3: next time, because here are the problems we face. Like, Like,

1293
00:52:05,334 --> 00:52:06,913
Speaker 3: that's my right as a citizen, you know?

1294
00:52:06,933 --> 00:52:08,973
Speaker 1: For sure. And your right as a game show host.

1295
00:52:09,393 --> 00:52:10,893
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if that's a special

1296
00:52:10,913 --> 00:52:12,133
Speaker 3: set of rights, but I don't think it should be

1297
00:52:12,154 --> 00:52:13,234
Speaker 3: a more constrained one.

1298
00:52:13,334 --> 00:52:14,953
Speaker 1: No. For sure. Well, that's good.

1299
00:52:15,174 --> 00:52:16,903
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, it really means a lot to

1300
00:52:16,964 --> 00:52:19,243
Speaker 2: see you and I've seen you say things about ICE

1301
00:52:19,303 --> 00:52:20,703
Speaker 2: and trans rights and things like that.

1302
00:52:21,614 --> 00:52:24,644
Speaker 3: I mean, it's stuff that affects me and my family,

1303
00:52:24,723 --> 00:52:29,404
Speaker 3: you know? Like, that actually, like, law enforcement kidnapping my neighbors,

1304
00:52:29,783 --> 00:52:33,423
Speaker 3: that affects me. My trans friends and family, like, not

1305
00:52:33,464 --> 00:52:35,763
Speaker 3: having the same rights they did. Women not having the

1306
00:52:35,783 --> 00:52:37,883
Speaker 3: same health rights they did for 50 years. Like, these

1307
00:52:37,924 --> 00:52:40,803
Speaker 3: things actually affect me. It's not a soapbox, and it's

1308
00:52:40,824 --> 00:52:41,613
Speaker 3: not performative.

1309
00:52:41,953 --> 00:52:42,133
Speaker 1: No.

1310
00:52:42,234 --> 00:52:42,914
Speaker 3: I'm just a person.

1311
00:53:01,254 --> 00:53:02,274
Speaker 1: We've really underestimated.

1312
00:53:02,674 --> 00:53:05,154
Speaker 2: It's selfish to want everybody to have rights and access

1313
00:53:05,174 --> 00:53:07,433
Speaker 2: to everything they need because it makes your community better.

1314
00:53:08,074 --> 00:53:09,774
Speaker 2: Like if you, if everybody in the community has everything

1315
00:53:09,794 --> 00:53:13,024
Speaker 2: they need and feel safe and protected and educated and well-fed,

1316
00:53:13,344 --> 00:53:15,044
Speaker 2: that's a better neighborhood, you know?

1317
00:53:15,064 --> 00:53:15,444
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1318
00:53:15,783 --> 00:53:18,564
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I, I do. And I'm, I'm not a

1319
00:53:18,604 --> 00:53:21,263
Speaker 3: doomer online. Like I do believe in a better America

1320
00:53:21,324 --> 00:53:24,053
Speaker 3: and a future like that. that has all those rights

1321
00:53:24,094 --> 00:53:25,953
Speaker 3: and protections for all of us. I think it's possible.

1322
00:53:26,194 --> 00:53:28,764
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you're declaring your candidacy for presidency here.

1323
00:53:28,783 --> 00:53:34,024
Speaker 1: And that's why. Feel free to take this however you

1324
00:53:34,044 --> 00:53:34,574
Speaker 1: want to take it.

1325
00:53:34,703 --> 00:53:36,484
Speaker 2: And this is, again, the, no, this is meant to be,

1326
00:53:36,924 --> 00:53:38,944
Speaker 2: but like, so in, on the United States of America,

1327
00:53:39,223 --> 00:53:41,744
Speaker 2: I did an episode in Salt Lake city about the Mormon,

1328
00:53:41,904 --> 00:53:45,633
Speaker 2: about the LDS church of Latter-day Saints. And what I

1329
00:53:45,694 --> 00:53:47,973
Speaker 2: learned is I think a thing that Americans don't, that

1330
00:53:48,013 --> 00:53:50,034
Speaker 2: many people don't realize who are not, in the Church

1331
00:53:50,053 --> 00:53:50,724
Speaker 2: of Latter-day Saints.

1332
00:53:50,824 --> 00:53:52,283
Speaker 1: I've learned Mormon is not what you say.

1333
00:53:52,663 --> 00:53:53,564
Speaker 3: I still say Mormon.

1334
00:53:53,623 --> 00:53:54,964
Speaker 1: I know a lot of Mormons do, but I feel

1335
00:53:54,984 --> 00:53:57,584
Speaker 1: like I want to be, I'm trying to be good.

1336
00:53:57,824 --> 00:53:59,943
Speaker 3: With my age demographic, you can say Mormon because that's

1337
00:53:59,964 --> 00:54:00,534
Speaker 3: how we came up.

1338
00:54:00,703 --> 00:54:05,134
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, so that just like Christianity, there are different

1339
00:54:05,214 --> 00:54:07,913
Speaker 1: levels and shapes and types of Mormons. And I think

1340
00:54:07,933 --> 00:54:11,073
Speaker 1: that we, when many of us hear the word Mormon,

1341
00:54:11,194 --> 00:54:14,663
Speaker 1: we assume they're the most sort of like observant, conservative,

1342
00:54:15,064 --> 00:54:16,223
Speaker 1: old-school version of that thing.

1343
00:54:16,243 --> 00:54:17,584
Speaker 3: Well, you're picturing big love, probably.

1344
00:54:17,604 --> 00:54:19,363
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, yeah. That probably didn't do a lot for

1345
00:54:19,384 --> 00:54:22,453
Speaker 1: the faith. And so I didn't realize that you would

1346
00:54:22,493 --> 00:54:23,673
Speaker 1: come from that faith, and I don't know if you're

1347
00:54:23,694 --> 00:54:26,194
Speaker 1: still practicing or whatever, but it was another way in

1348
00:54:26,214 --> 00:54:28,334
Speaker 1: which I understood, because there's a thing I learned about

1349
00:54:28,354 --> 00:54:30,444
Speaker 1: Mormons in Seattle. I'm not in Seattle. There's a thing

1350
00:54:30,453 --> 00:54:33,044
Speaker 1: I learned about Mormons in Salt Lake City that there

1351
00:54:33,143 --> 00:54:33,714
Speaker 1: is sort of a....

1352
00:54:35,913 --> 00:54:38,694
Speaker 2: A way to interact with the world that is about

1353
00:54:38,834 --> 00:54:43,913
Speaker 2: kindness and politeness and sort of community is turned up

1354
00:54:43,973 --> 00:54:45,873
Speaker 2: a notch, that can be taken to a bad way.

1355
00:54:45,893 --> 00:54:47,373
Speaker 2: But as soon as I found that about you, I

1356
00:54:47,373 --> 00:54:50,814
Speaker 2: was like, oh, like that is a thing I noticed

1357
00:54:50,834 --> 00:54:52,274
Speaker 2: about Mormons when I was in Salt Lake City.

1358
00:54:52,294 --> 00:54:53,434
Speaker 1: Well, that's good. Yeah.

1359
00:54:53,513 --> 00:54:55,794
Speaker 3: I'm glad your takeaway wasn't like, you know, the beer

1360
00:54:55,834 --> 00:54:57,914
Speaker 3: is weak and the people are insular, you know?

1361
00:54:57,933 --> 00:54:58,224
Speaker 1: No, no, no.

1362
00:54:58,254 --> 00:55:01,343
Speaker 2: Because I met like gay Mormons and trans Mormons and

1363
00:55:01,574 --> 00:55:04,203
Speaker 2: now they had like, had different levels of where they

1364
00:55:04,243 --> 00:55:05,464
Speaker 2: felt connected to the religion.

1365
00:55:05,743 --> 00:55:06,143
Speaker 1: And rightly so.

1366
00:55:06,183 --> 00:55:07,064
Speaker 3: And rightly so.

1367
00:55:07,123 --> 00:55:08,203
Speaker 1: And certainly I.

1368
00:55:08,143 --> 00:55:12,123
Speaker 2: Met Dan from Imagine Dragons, the lead singer, and he

1369
00:55:12,143 --> 00:55:15,904
Speaker 2: built this house for LGBTQ Mormons. And so, but it

1370
00:55:15,984 --> 00:55:18,023
Speaker 2: was still like, oh, this is just like any religion.

1371
00:55:18,044 --> 00:55:20,464
Speaker 2: Like I would consider myself a Christian. I don't go

1372
00:55:20,484 --> 00:55:22,183
Speaker 2: to church all the time, but I know in here

1373
00:55:22,203 --> 00:55:23,584
Speaker 2: the way in which I act with the world is

1374
00:55:23,623 --> 00:55:25,363
Speaker 2: from my black Christian upbringing, you know?

1375
00:55:25,683 --> 00:55:28,154
Speaker 3: Like when I say that like I have convictions of

1376
00:55:28,194 --> 00:55:30,613
Speaker 3: right and wrong that run deeper than my desire to

1377
00:55:30,674 --> 00:55:33,514
Speaker 3: keep my religion extremely well-paid job. And if I ever

1378
00:55:33,533 --> 00:55:35,873
Speaker 3: had to choose, I would go with the convictions. Like,

1379
00:55:35,893 --> 00:55:40,314
Speaker 3: that's all from, like, my church upbringing. And it's funny

1380
00:55:40,373 --> 00:55:42,113
Speaker 3: because it's not the black church. It's actually a very

1381
00:55:42,174 --> 00:55:47,054
Speaker 3: conservative-leaning institution. But, like, the thing about Mormons or Latter-day

1382
00:55:47,074 --> 00:55:47,673
Speaker 3: Saints— thank you.

1383
00:55:47,794 --> 00:55:50,473
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for correcting it for me.

1384
00:55:50,893 --> 00:55:55,923
Speaker 3: Like, it's very geographically— dependent, you know, like if you're

1385
00:55:55,964 --> 00:55:59,383
Speaker 3: imagining like somebody, a Mormon in a small town, you know,

1386
00:55:59,404 --> 00:56:01,683
Speaker 3: a rancher in Idaho or a small town, like your

1387
00:56:01,703 --> 00:56:05,054
Speaker 3: stereotype of somebody with very conservative views might be right.

1388
00:56:05,274 --> 00:56:07,734
Speaker 3: That's why there are a lot of conservative Mormons, because

1389
00:56:08,074 --> 00:56:09,593
Speaker 3: there's a lot of Mormons in the Mountain West. Those

1390
00:56:09,634 --> 00:56:10,154
Speaker 3: are red states.

1391
00:56:10,334 --> 00:56:13,033
Speaker 1: And also the rural areas where you're not seeing lots

1392
00:56:13,053 --> 00:56:13,814
Speaker 1: of different types of people.

1393
00:56:13,893 --> 00:56:16,363
Speaker 3: Exactly. Not the most diverse part of the country. Whereas

1394
00:56:16,444 --> 00:56:17,843
Speaker 3: if you're going to go to a Mormon... If you

1395
00:56:17,864 --> 00:56:20,964
Speaker 3: go to my Mormon congregation tomorrow in Seattle, it would

1396
00:56:20,984 --> 00:56:23,704
Speaker 3: look very different from a small Idaho town.

1397
00:56:23,723 --> 00:56:24,104
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1398
00:56:24,524 --> 00:56:28,064
Speaker 3: And it would be apolitical, of course, because... But the...

1399
00:56:28,973 --> 00:56:30,754
Speaker 3: if you ask people how they voted, it would not

1400
00:56:30,794 --> 00:56:34,173
Speaker 3: be the same as that mythical small Idaho town. So

1401
00:56:34,194 --> 00:56:35,274
Speaker 3: Mormons are not a monolith.

1402
00:56:35,433 --> 00:56:35,694
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1403
00:56:36,154 --> 00:56:40,053
Speaker 3: And I do feel like, like having that anchor of

1404
00:56:40,134 --> 00:56:43,573
Speaker 3: faith really is like, was a very important part of

1405
00:56:43,594 --> 00:56:46,484
Speaker 3: keeping myself grounded when I was like, well, suddenly I'm.

1406
00:56:46,504 --> 00:56:49,523
Speaker 1: Just won $ 3 million.

1407
00:56:49,623 --> 00:56:52,304
Speaker 3: Yeah, by my original standards, I'm rich and famous somehow.

1408
00:56:52,364 --> 00:56:52,724
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1409
00:56:52,904 --> 00:56:55,643
Speaker 3: On a game show, like, what do you do? You know, like,

1410
00:56:55,683 --> 00:56:57,934
Speaker 3: what's the right way to be in that situation? I...

1411
00:56:58,734 --> 00:57:01,194
Speaker 3: The thing about like this kind of hardy pioneer Mormon

1412
00:57:01,234 --> 00:57:02,953
Speaker 3: upbringing is you kind of think it's a little bit

1413
00:57:03,754 --> 00:57:06,854
Speaker 3: unseemly to be rich and famous. Like, well, no, like

1414
00:57:07,234 --> 00:57:10,074
Speaker 3: we're a thrifty people. You know, we shouldn't have all

1415
00:57:10,114 --> 00:57:11,743
Speaker 3: that big fancy Hollywood money.

1416
00:57:11,763 --> 00:57:12,703
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1417
00:57:12,964 --> 00:57:16,184
Speaker 3: So then the calculus becomes like, well, how do you

1418
00:57:16,204 --> 00:57:18,904
Speaker 3: become a good person and how do you stay a

1419
00:57:18,944 --> 00:57:25,104
Speaker 3: good person and do the right things with the weird– With.

1420
00:57:25,024 --> 00:57:27,164
Speaker 2: The weird new thing you've been blessed with. With the

1421
00:57:27,224 --> 00:57:29,744
Speaker 2: evils of society raining money upon you.

1422
00:57:29,824 --> 00:57:30,424
Speaker 1: Exactly.

1423
00:57:30,964 --> 00:57:34,024
Speaker 3: Exactly. And so I did and do think a lot

1424
00:57:34,084 --> 00:57:36,944
Speaker 3: about that. And I think it informs how I am publicly.

1425
00:57:36,964 --> 00:57:39,724
Speaker 3: It informs, like, what I try to do with the

1426
00:57:39,784 --> 00:57:44,304
Speaker 3: money and with the platform. And hopefully, like, that helps, like,

1427
00:57:45,554 --> 00:57:47,414
Speaker 3: reinforce the idea that you found out in Salt Lake,

1428
00:57:47,434 --> 00:57:54,214
Speaker 3: which is, like, Mormons are not an insular conservative monolith.

1429
00:57:54,534 --> 00:57:58,154
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we understand that with, like, evangelical Christianity.

1430
00:57:58,204 --> 00:57:59,864
Speaker 2: That's one version of Christianity.

1431
00:58:00,124 --> 00:58:02,363
Speaker 1: Right. We generally, as a society, understand that that's not

1432
00:58:02,404 --> 00:58:02,904
Speaker 1: the same as.

1433
00:58:02,964 --> 00:58:06,484
Speaker 3: Like— There's Lutheran moms on the barricades in Minneapolis. Yes.

1434
00:58:06,544 --> 00:58:09,784
Speaker 3: And they're not the megachurch Baptists you're caricaturing in.

1435
00:58:09,724 --> 00:58:11,444
Speaker 1: Texas, you know? Yes, yeah, yeah. So I think that

1436
00:58:11,484 --> 00:58:13,884
Speaker 1: we don't understand— it' s funny, we don't understand that with Muslims,

1437
00:58:14,024 --> 00:58:16,044
Speaker 1: and we don't understand that with Mormons. It's weird.

1438
00:58:16,064 --> 00:58:17,804
Speaker 2: And so thank you for letting me talk about that,

1439
00:58:17,824 --> 00:58:19,674
Speaker 2: because I really did, when I found out that— I

1440
00:58:19,704 --> 00:58:22,693
Speaker 2: didn't know that you were in the Church of Latter-day Saints.

1441
00:58:22,714 --> 00:58:24,854
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say— I didn't know.

1442
00:58:25,074 --> 00:58:26,474
Speaker 2: And then I was like, it's sort of like a

1443
00:58:26,514 --> 00:58:28,073
Speaker 2: part of you sort of snapped in place, like, oh,

1444
00:58:28,154 --> 00:58:30,894
Speaker 2: that's what I'm responding to, because that's what I, when

1445
00:58:30,914 --> 00:58:32,343
Speaker 2: I was in Salt Lake City hanging out with the

1446
00:58:32,384 --> 00:58:35,144
Speaker 2: Mormons who were at different levels of the faith.

1447
00:58:35,204 --> 00:58:36,863
Speaker 3: One thing I will say about Mormons is they don't

1448
00:58:36,904 --> 00:58:39,843
Speaker 3: tend to be prosperity gospel Christians. They don't tend to think, well,

1449
00:58:39,864 --> 00:58:42,403
Speaker 3: I've got a car dealership, so I'm better than them. Like,

1450
00:58:42,424 --> 00:58:44,834
Speaker 3: there is, you know, the ethos of coming up with

1451
00:58:44,854 --> 00:58:48,454
Speaker 3: a lot of humanitarian service, you know, spending time volunteering.

1452
00:58:48,954 --> 00:58:51,274
Speaker 3: Mormons don't have a professional ministry, so everybody kind of

1453
00:58:51,314 --> 00:58:54,414
Speaker 3: pitches in. Like, you know, just some dentist for down

1454
00:58:54,434 --> 00:58:57,054
Speaker 3: the street is going to give a sermon on Sunday,

1455
00:58:57,154 --> 00:59:00,423
Speaker 3: and the Sunday school lesson will be from, you know,

1456
00:59:00,644 --> 00:59:03,484
Speaker 3: the guy who delivers your fertilizer. And it's just a

1457
00:59:03,564 --> 00:59:08,294
Speaker 3: different kind of a community. And so— like the stuff

1458
00:59:08,334 --> 00:59:11,634
Speaker 3: that Christians should take to heart about like how Jesus

1459
00:59:11,754 --> 00:59:13,614
Speaker 3: actually treated marginalized people.

1460
00:59:13,654 --> 00:59:14,673
Speaker 1: What would Jesus do?

1461
00:59:14,854 --> 00:59:15,374
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1462
00:59:15,394 --> 00:59:17,994
Speaker 2: As my minister, Pastor Michael McBride, who is my minister,

1463
00:59:18,014 --> 00:59:19,174
Speaker 2: even though I don't go to his church ever, but

1464
00:59:19,194 --> 00:59:19,814
Speaker 2: he is my minister.

1465
00:59:20,814 --> 00:59:23,764
Speaker 1: It's like, what did Jesus do? What did he actually do?

1466
00:59:23,944 --> 00:59:24,654
Speaker 1: Not what would he do?

1467
00:59:24,674 --> 00:59:25,724
Speaker 3: Who was he spending his time with?

1468
00:59:25,744 --> 00:59:27,144
Speaker 2: Yeah, who was he spending his time with? What was

1469
00:59:27,164 --> 00:59:28,923
Speaker 2: he doing in his life? Do those things and you'll

1470
00:59:28,964 --> 00:59:30,644
Speaker 2: be on the right side of things.

1471
00:59:30,764 --> 00:59:33,104
Speaker 3: And I think I was very lucky to have that grounding.

1472
00:59:33,144 --> 00:59:34,624
Speaker 3: I think I feel like as an adult, I'm the

1473
00:59:34,664 --> 00:59:37,024
Speaker 3: kind of person who really actually benefits from that. Like

1474
00:59:37,464 --> 00:59:39,684
Speaker 3: having that background really makes me think a lot about

1475
00:59:40,184 --> 00:59:41,744
Speaker 3: what the right thing is to do and say in

1476
00:59:41,784 --> 00:59:44,923
Speaker 3: a situation. And I'm far from always doing it, but like...

1477
00:59:46,074 --> 00:59:48,154
Speaker 3: You know, think what an a-hole I would be without

1478
00:59:48,214 --> 00:59:49,974
Speaker 3: that kind of upbringing, you know?

1479
00:59:50,014 --> 00:59:50,204
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1480
00:59:50,244 --> 00:59:51,503
Speaker 1: Boy, yeah.

1481
00:59:51,724 --> 00:59:54,363
Speaker 2: It sort of makes sense that, like, a person who

1482
00:59:54,384 --> 00:59:57,443
Speaker 2: had that upbringing and was instilled with those values, that

1483
00:59:57,484 --> 01:00:00,044
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be knocked off of your square by, like,

1484
01:00:00,104 --> 01:00:03,564
Speaker 2: the wildness of suddenly I'm the most winningest Jeopardy! champion ever,

1485
01:00:03,584 --> 01:00:06,264
Speaker 2: and I've got $ 3 million. You're not suddenly going to, like,

1486
01:00:06,644 --> 01:00:09,224
Speaker 2: I'm going to the VIP room at the Viper Room

1487
01:00:09,264 --> 01:00:09,804
Speaker 2: in L.A.

1488
01:00:09,884 --> 01:00:12,994
Speaker 1: Make it rain. Yeah, make it rain. You know, you're like,

1489
01:00:13,234 --> 01:00:14,934
Speaker 1: contribute to climate change organizations.

1490
01:00:15,054 --> 01:00:19,414
Speaker 3: There's so few strip clubs in my Jeopardy success story.

1491
01:00:19,454 --> 01:00:21,534
Speaker 1: Well, that's... I mean, if people like to go to

1492
01:00:21,554 --> 01:00:22,794
Speaker 1: strip clubs, that's fine, but it seems like with you,

1493
01:00:22,814 --> 01:00:23,554
Speaker 1: let's keep it that way.

1494
01:00:24,034 --> 01:00:24,834
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be me.

1495
01:00:25,054 --> 01:00:26,954
Speaker 1: That wouldn't be you. So first of all, thank you

1496
01:00:26,974 --> 01:00:28,954
Speaker 1: for letting me have this talk with you. I really

1497
01:00:28,974 --> 01:00:29,454
Speaker 1: appreciate it.

1498
01:00:29,454 --> 01:00:29,954
Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun.

1499
01:00:30,114 --> 01:00:30,894
Speaker 1: I've always liked you.

1500
01:00:30,834 --> 01:00:32,354
Speaker 2: From afar, and I do feel like I'm a part

1501
01:00:32,374 --> 01:00:35,474
Speaker 2: of the Jeopardy family, and people online remind me of that.

1502
01:00:35,814 --> 01:00:38,014
Speaker 2: And it is absolutely one of the most proud accomplishments

1503
01:00:38,034 --> 01:00:39,894
Speaker 2: of my life that I won last season. I wish

1504
01:00:39,914 --> 01:00:41,093
Speaker 2: I didn't have to come back right away and defend

1505
01:00:41,134 --> 01:00:42,894
Speaker 2: my title, but good for me in a kind. I

1506
01:00:42,914 --> 01:00:43,734
Speaker 2: wish I'd just been able to, like.

1507
01:00:44,884 --> 01:00:45,323
Speaker 1: Walk around.

1508
01:00:45,384 --> 01:00:47,664
Speaker 2: Although, can you help me get my C back? My

1509
01:00:47,704 --> 01:00:49,304
Speaker 2: C fell off my Celebrity Jeopardy trophy.

1510
01:00:49,424 --> 01:00:49,764
Speaker 1: Oh, no.

1511
01:00:49,784 --> 01:00:51,133
Speaker 3: Wait, your trophy's broken?

1512
01:00:51,254 --> 01:00:54,874
Speaker 2: It's missing a C. Right now, it's an Elebrity Jeopardy trophy.

1513
01:00:54,914 --> 01:00:56,394
Speaker 3: And you don't want to be an Elebrity.

1514
01:00:56,514 --> 01:00:59,014
Speaker 1: I don't want to be an Elebrity. I really prioritize

1515
01:00:59,034 --> 01:00:59,474
Speaker 1: the celebrity.

1516
01:00:59,654 --> 01:01:02,174
Speaker 3: I know some people at Jeopardy. I'm going to reach out.

1517
01:01:02,234 --> 01:01:02,754
Speaker 1: Well, thank you.

1518
01:01:03,894 --> 01:01:07,394
Speaker 2: My penultimate question, and I know you know what penultimate means.

1519
01:01:07,974 --> 01:01:11,314
Speaker 2: Is there a charity or organization you'd like to shout out?

1520
01:01:11,454 --> 01:01:13,624
Speaker 2: I give people homework. Is there some organization you'd like

1521
01:01:13,664 --> 01:01:16,184
Speaker 2: to shout out or even a cause just generally if

1522
01:01:16,224 --> 01:01:17,444
Speaker 2: you don't have a specific organization?

1523
01:01:17,484 --> 01:01:20,394
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a big believer in like, I had

1524
01:01:20,414 --> 01:01:22,974
Speaker 3: to kind of teach myself philanthropy because suddenly I had

1525
01:01:22,994 --> 01:01:23,674
Speaker 3: this windfall.

1526
01:01:23,774 --> 01:01:24,014
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1527
01:01:24,494 --> 01:01:25,954
Speaker 3: And, you know, you hear about all the— First.

1528
01:01:25,894 --> 01:01:28,654
Speaker 2: Of all, that's not what everybody who has a windfall says.

1529
01:01:29,074 --> 01:01:31,064
Speaker 2: Now I need to learn about philanthropy. So you're already

1530
01:01:31,124 --> 01:01:32,064
Speaker 2: revealing something about yourself.

1531
01:01:32,084 --> 01:01:34,024
Speaker 3: Well, think about these billionaires where, like, you know, Warren

1532
01:01:34,044 --> 01:01:36,264
Speaker 3: Buffett apparently has to work on Bill Gates for years

1533
01:01:36,324 --> 01:01:40,264
Speaker 3: at the bridge table to get him to start a foundation,

1534
01:01:40,284 --> 01:01:43,964
Speaker 3: a developing world foundation or whatever, like— You know, thank

1535
01:01:43,984 --> 01:01:47,374
Speaker 3: goodness there are those wheels turning, but, like, I kind

1536
01:01:47,394 --> 01:01:49,633
Speaker 3: of had to figure it all out. And, of course,

1537
01:01:49,674 --> 01:01:52,454
Speaker 3: I'm from a tradition that tithes, but, like, that should

1538
01:01:52,494 --> 01:01:55,814
Speaker 3: not be the end of your giving, you know? Like,

1539
01:01:56,254 --> 01:01:59,654
Speaker 3: I love that idea that, you know, just a reminder that, well,

1540
01:01:59,714 --> 01:02:02,794
Speaker 3: you know, none of this is mine. This all, for

1541
01:02:02,834 --> 01:02:05,274
Speaker 3: whatever reason, this has come from above to see if

1542
01:02:05,294 --> 01:02:06,914
Speaker 3: I'm going to be a good steward of this. And

1543
01:02:07,214 --> 01:02:08,994
Speaker 3: I think tithing is a good way to think about money,

1544
01:02:09,034 --> 01:02:10,954
Speaker 3: but really that should be the beginning and not the end.

1545
01:02:11,974 --> 01:02:15,653
Speaker 3: And So now it's very much like, I was kind

1546
01:02:15,704 --> 01:02:18,984
Speaker 3: of inspired by what Mackenzie Bezos said about like, you know,

1547
01:02:19,024 --> 01:02:22,704
Speaker 3: like instead of building a big kind of narcissistic infrastructure

1548
01:02:22,784 --> 01:02:24,104
Speaker 3: around your.

1549
01:02:23,624 --> 01:02:26,684
Speaker 1: Wealth, like- Yeah, the Ken Jennings Foundation. Exactly. The Ken

1550
01:02:26,704 --> 01:02:27,644
Speaker 1: Jennings Family Fund.

1551
01:02:27,884 --> 01:02:29,573
Speaker 3: I love that she is just like, I'm going to

1552
01:02:29,594 --> 01:02:31,554
Speaker 3: find an organization that's already doing the right thing on

1553
01:02:31,574 --> 01:02:33,674
Speaker 3: the ground for the stuff I believe in. And I'm

1554
01:02:33,714 --> 01:02:35,693
Speaker 3: just going to give them a hundred million dollars, you know,

1555
01:02:35,714 --> 01:02:39,034
Speaker 3: like your homelessness approach works. Here's a big check.

1556
01:02:39,054 --> 01:02:39,613
Speaker 1: Here you can do more.

1557
01:02:39,634 --> 01:02:42,034
Speaker 3: You know, your anti-malaria approach works. Here's a big check.

1558
01:02:42,054 --> 01:02:42,213
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1559
01:02:42,614 --> 01:02:47,204
Speaker 3: So that's kind of what we do. And it feels

1560
01:02:47,244 --> 01:02:50,304
Speaker 3: so good. Like if you're mad about Gaza, just write

1561
01:02:50,324 --> 01:02:53,454
Speaker 3: a check to ANARA or World Central Kitchen or whoever

1562
01:02:53,554 --> 01:02:57,974
Speaker 3: is in the trenches doing the humanitarian work. If you're

1563
01:02:57,994 --> 01:03:01,314
Speaker 3: mad about immigration, a la Trelata. If you're mad about...

1564
01:03:03,274 --> 01:03:06,573
Speaker 3: Reproductive rights, Center for Reproductive Rights. These are just examples,

1565
01:03:06,634 --> 01:03:08,734
Speaker 3: but that feels really good. And it doesn't have to

1566
01:03:08,774 --> 01:03:09,314
Speaker 3: be a big check.

1567
01:03:09,334 --> 01:03:10,213
Speaker 1: No, no, for sure.

1568
01:03:10,314 --> 01:03:14,153
Speaker 3: Somebody making a $ 10 donation online could have that same feeling.

1569
01:03:14,724 --> 01:03:17,884
Speaker 3: Retail therapy, but for good. For the soul.

1570
01:03:18,384 --> 01:03:20,124
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I used donor shoes for years. I mean,

1571
01:03:20,144 --> 01:03:21,964
Speaker 2: I'm on the board now, but it just... I'm just

1572
01:03:21,984 --> 01:03:24,904
Speaker 2: going to wipe out this teacher. She wants dry erase boards,

1573
01:03:25,204 --> 01:03:26,394
Speaker 2: and she needs $ 50.

1574
01:03:26,324 --> 01:03:28,343
Speaker 3: That's so good. It doesn't have to be a big

1575
01:03:28,384 --> 01:03:31,843
Speaker 3: organization like... The way the economy is now, like go

1576
01:03:31,864 --> 01:03:33,684
Speaker 3: to your social media and find a teacher who needs

1577
01:03:33,744 --> 01:03:36,734
Speaker 3: scissors and crayons, you know, or a family whose medical

1578
01:03:36,774 --> 01:03:38,934
Speaker 3: bills are mounting and they're worried about the rent, you know,

1579
01:03:38,954 --> 01:03:42,233
Speaker 3: like those are in your own circles. And it feels

1580
01:03:42,254 --> 01:03:44,214
Speaker 3: so good, even if it's, you know, whatever it is,

1581
01:03:44,214 --> 01:03:44,693
Speaker 3: 10 bucks.

1582
01:03:45,074 --> 01:03:47,194
Speaker 1: Name one place that you think that you used it.

1583
01:03:47,214 --> 01:03:48,074
Speaker 1: You just named a bunch.

1584
01:03:48,214 --> 01:03:50,954
Speaker 3: I know. Okay. So let me, after having said all that, like.

1585
01:03:51,154 --> 01:03:53,244
Speaker 1: Yeah. We can list all of them, but I just

1586
01:03:53,264 --> 01:03:53,484
Speaker 1: want to.

1587
01:03:53,504 --> 01:03:54,924
Speaker 3: I mean, this is just kind of a funny story.

1588
01:03:54,964 --> 01:03:55,144
Speaker 2: Like.

1589
01:03:56,384 --> 01:04:00,124
Speaker 3: Growing up, like one thing I loved about Seattle is

1590
01:04:00,184 --> 01:04:04,343
Speaker 3: we have the world's best video store. Yes. Scarecrow Video

1591
01:04:04,504 --> 01:04:09,084
Speaker 3: is like an amazing destination for movie nerds. And it

1592
01:04:09,124 --> 01:04:11,454
Speaker 3: was really part of my movie education was they had

1593
01:04:11,494 --> 01:04:13,934
Speaker 3: all the movies that nobody else had. And now they

1594
01:04:13,954 --> 01:04:17,573
Speaker 3: still do. Video stores declined, but Scarecrow became a nonprofit.

1595
01:04:18,094 --> 01:04:21,334
Speaker 3: And now they're the biggest publicly accessible company. collection of

1596
01:04:21,374 --> 01:04:23,994
Speaker 3: movies and other video, basically in the Western hemisphere, I think.

1597
01:04:24,074 --> 01:04:26,254
Speaker 2: I mean, physical media is a thing that we need

1598
01:04:26,274 --> 01:04:30,184
Speaker 2: to hold on to because our streaming services just decide,

1599
01:04:30,444 --> 01:04:32,684
Speaker 2: we just turn that movie off. You don't have that

1600
01:04:32,704 --> 01:04:33,524
Speaker 2: TV show anymore.

1601
01:04:33,584 --> 01:04:35,443
Speaker 3: There was like an Altman movie I wanted to see

1602
01:04:35,484 --> 01:04:37,524
Speaker 3: last week and I was like, well, which streaming service

1603
01:04:37,564 --> 01:04:41,084
Speaker 3: had it? And guess what? Like, 100,000 other movies, none

1604
01:04:41,104 --> 01:04:44,074
Speaker 3: of them did. So I drove 10 minutes to Scarecrow Video,

1605
01:04:44,514 --> 01:04:46,674
Speaker 3: and I watched Thieves Like Us with Keith Carradine and

1606
01:04:46,694 --> 01:04:47,334
Speaker 3: Shelley Duvall.

1607
01:04:47,434 --> 01:04:49,174
Speaker 1: And it was amazing. Oh, that's beautiful.

1608
01:04:49,694 --> 01:04:51,234
Speaker 3: I'm on the board at Scarecrow now, so this is

1609
01:04:51,294 --> 01:04:52,334
Speaker 3: not disinterested.

1610
01:04:52,374 --> 01:04:54,184
Speaker 1: That's all right, that's all right. You can be on

1611
01:04:54,204 --> 01:04:54,963
Speaker 1: the board of good things.

1612
01:04:55,044 --> 01:04:57,164
Speaker 3: But Scarecrow just bought its building. And, you know, it's

1613
01:04:57,204 --> 01:05:00,443
Speaker 3: not as urgent as, you know, for sure, to Gaza

1614
01:05:00,564 --> 01:05:01,443
Speaker 3: and immigration.

1615
01:05:01,484 --> 01:05:03,244
Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned a bunch of things, but I

1616
01:05:03,264 --> 01:05:06,474
Speaker 2: do like the idea of like a local organization. Also,

1617
01:05:06,494 --> 01:05:08,193
Speaker 2: the whole point of this podcast is to provide people

1618
01:05:08,234 --> 01:05:10,214
Speaker 2: different entry points. So some people are going to be

1619
01:05:10,234 --> 01:05:13,514
Speaker 2: inspired by... give to this like world central kitchen. And

1620
01:05:13,534 --> 01:05:15,284
Speaker 2: some of them were like, Ooh, physical media.

1621
01:05:15,324 --> 01:05:15,604
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1622
01:05:15,644 --> 01:05:18,184
Speaker 2: You know, so I, I like giving people a poopoo platter,

1623
01:05:18,484 --> 01:05:21,484
Speaker 2: a golden corral of things to, uh, to look at.

1624
01:05:21,504 --> 01:05:25,144
Speaker 3: So my, uh, my wife's grandma used to love going

1625
01:05:25,204 --> 01:05:28,174
Speaker 3: to hometown buffet. Cause she said, everybody can get what

1626
01:05:28,214 --> 01:05:31,044
Speaker 3: they want. And I was like, isn't that true at

1627
01:05:31,064 --> 01:05:34,844
Speaker 3: all restaurants? But you're right. If the thing that's keeping

1628
01:05:34,884 --> 01:05:37,343
Speaker 3: you from from philanthropy is that you don't have an

1629
01:05:37,404 --> 01:05:40,483
Speaker 3: amazing video store. Yes. Scarecrow Video in Seattle just bought

1630
01:05:40,524 --> 01:05:43,884
Speaker 3: its building and the future is rosy, I hope for them.

1631
01:05:44,124 --> 01:05:46,244
Speaker 3: And they would love you to support physical media.

1632
01:05:46,384 --> 01:05:47,864
Speaker 2: That's I mean, I think I love that's why I

1633
01:05:47,864 --> 01:05:50,173
Speaker 2: love asking this question, because you never know where you're

1634
01:05:50,194 --> 01:05:50,534
Speaker 2: going to end up.

1635
01:05:50,614 --> 01:05:51,314
Speaker 1: And it is.

1636
01:05:51,494 --> 01:05:53,254
Speaker 2: And yes, we can. And I've talked about all these

1637
01:05:53,394 --> 01:05:55,714
Speaker 2: lots of organizations that you mentioned before. But like, I

1638
01:05:55,754 --> 01:05:57,514
Speaker 2: didn't know about Scarecrow Video, so I'm happy to know

1639
01:05:57,534 --> 01:06:00,343
Speaker 2: about them. Uh, last question is the podcast is called

1640
01:06:00,364 --> 01:06:00,883
Speaker 2: who's with me.

1641
01:06:00,964 --> 01:06:01,444
Speaker 1: Are you with me?

1642
01:06:01,744 --> 01:06:03,863
Speaker 3: I am a hundred percent with you come out to

1643
01:06:03,884 --> 01:06:04,544
Speaker 3: the ends of the earth.

1644
01:06:04,844 --> 01:06:05,724
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, sir.

1645
01:06:05,824 --> 01:06:06,994
Speaker 3: You're part of the jeopardy family.

1646
01:06:07,014 --> 01:06:09,334
Speaker 1: Uh, well, I, I, and it does make my whole

1647
01:06:09,354 --> 01:06:09,954
Speaker 1: family proud.

1648
01:06:09,994 --> 01:06:12,234
Speaker 2: So please let everybody at jeopardy know that I, that

1649
01:06:12,274 --> 01:06:14,573
Speaker 2: I still feel, I still feel tied to jeopardy, even

1650
01:06:14,594 --> 01:06:15,843
Speaker 2: though Mina kind of took my title.

1651
01:06:16,384 --> 01:06:18,984
Speaker 3: Mina Kimes played very well, but I think you're a

1652
01:06:19,024 --> 01:06:20,383
Speaker 3: fan favorite. We may be seeing you again.

1653
01:06:22,704 --> 01:06:24,554
Speaker 2: I just want to be like how you're the host.

1654
01:06:24,734 --> 01:06:26,534
Speaker 2: I want to be, remember when Jimmy Kimmel was on

1655
01:06:26,894 --> 01:06:27,794
Speaker 2: Win Ben Stein's Money?

1656
01:06:27,814 --> 01:06:28,894
Speaker 1: Right. I just want to be that.

1657
01:06:29,014 --> 01:06:30,213
Speaker 2: I want to be like when Jimmy Kimmel was sitting

1658
01:06:30,254 --> 01:06:31,154
Speaker 2: next to Ben Stein.

1659
01:06:31,454 --> 01:06:32,254
Speaker 3: Oh, you want to be Kimmel?

1660
01:06:32,334 --> 01:06:33,354
Speaker 1: I want to be Kimmel. Yeah, I don't want to

1661
01:06:33,374 --> 01:06:35,504
Speaker 1: be Stein. So open up a seat on Jeopardy.

1662
01:06:35,524 --> 01:06:37,204
Speaker 3: I'll be the crabby old guy. Exactly.

1663
01:06:37,264 --> 01:06:39,903
Speaker 1: I just want the epic man seat on Jeopardy, but yeah.

1664
01:06:40,204 --> 01:06:43,064
Speaker 3: We've never had a sidekick, but I think if we

1665
01:06:43,104 --> 01:06:43,724
Speaker 3: had a short list.

1666
01:06:43,884 --> 01:06:46,134
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. I'm happy to know I'm making the short list,

1667
01:06:46,154 --> 01:06:46,754
Speaker 1: even if I don't make the show.

1668
01:06:46,764 --> 01:06:47,994
Speaker 3: You're a very promising candidate.

1669
01:06:48,014 --> 01:06:48,894
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you, sir.

1670
01:06:49,034 --> 01:06:49,294
Speaker 3: Come out.

1671
01:06:52,134 --> 01:06:54,294
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to Who's With Me. Thanks to my guest,

1672
01:06:54,314 --> 01:06:57,914
Speaker 2: Ken Jennings. The new season of Jeopardy starts September 14th.

1673
01:06:57,954 --> 01:06:59,754
Speaker 2: It's funny to think of Jeopardy having seasons, but there

1674
01:06:59,774 --> 01:07:03,113
Speaker 2: is a new season. It starts September 14th. Again, you

1675
01:07:03,134 --> 01:07:06,684
Speaker 2: can also pre-order my new book with Adam Mansbach, Rock, Paper, Scissors, Cheese,

1676
01:07:06,744 --> 01:07:08,624
Speaker 2: my new children's book. All the links are in the

1677
01:07:08,684 --> 01:07:11,104
Speaker 2: show notes. So here's a list of the nonprofits that

1678
01:07:11,204 --> 01:07:13,284
Speaker 2: Ken supported. Again, it's a long list, so I got

1679
01:07:13,304 --> 01:07:15,724
Speaker 2: to take a deep breath. So first of all, Anera,

1680
01:07:16,404 --> 01:07:18,994
Speaker 2: then World Central Kitchen. I mentioned those two together because

1681
01:07:19,034 --> 01:07:21,314
Speaker 2: he mentioned them together. They both are about supporting refugees,

1682
01:07:21,334 --> 01:07:23,314
Speaker 2: and they've done a lot of work to support Palestinians

1683
01:07:23,734 --> 01:07:27,194
Speaker 2: in Palestine and Palestinians around the world, but also refugees.

1684
01:07:26,834 --> 01:07:27,454
Speaker 1: All over the world.

1685
01:07:27,534 --> 01:07:30,534
Speaker 2: World Central Kitchen was started by Chef Jose Andres, who's

1686
01:07:30,554 --> 01:07:33,524
Speaker 2: very famous for going everywhere in the world when people

1687
01:07:33,884 --> 01:07:36,824
Speaker 2: who are struggling in the midst of war need food.

1688
01:07:36,884 --> 01:07:37,824
Speaker 1: They feed many people.

1689
01:07:38,264 --> 01:07:43,014
Speaker 2: Ken also talked about Alotrolato, which provides holistic legal and

1690
01:07:43,054 --> 01:07:46,133
Speaker 2: humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S.

1691
01:07:46,174 --> 01:07:46,814
Speaker 1: And Tijuana.

1692
01:07:47,294 --> 01:07:49,974
Speaker 2: So again, a lot of that's about the damage this

1693
01:07:50,034 --> 01:07:52,814
Speaker 2: country does to those places. Then we have the Center

1694
01:07:52,834 --> 01:07:55,594
Speaker 2: of Reproductive Rights. Pretty sure you understand what that does,

1695
01:07:55,654 --> 01:07:59,244
Speaker 2: supporting reproductive rights, making sure that people have access to

1696
01:07:59,264 --> 01:08:02,423
Speaker 2: their reproductive rights and reproductive justice. And then the fun

1697
01:08:02,524 --> 01:08:06,664
Speaker 2: one is Scarecrow Video, which at this point, protecting physical

1698
01:08:06,724 --> 01:08:08,384
Speaker 2: media should be a thing we're all thinking more about

1699
01:08:08,454 --> 01:08:11,093
Speaker 2: is all these corporations decide when we can and can't

1700
01:08:11,134 --> 01:08:13,394
Speaker 2: get access to movies when they just delete things or

1701
01:08:13,814 --> 01:08:17,193
Speaker 2: like just what happened recently with the, uh, coyote versus

1702
01:08:17,294 --> 01:08:19,034
Speaker 2: Acme where the company was like, we made a movie.

1703
01:08:19,154 --> 01:08:20,614
Speaker 2: We're not going to do it where that's what Warner

1704
01:08:20,654 --> 01:08:23,054
Speaker 2: brothers did. So yeah, physical media, we need to get

1705
01:08:23,094 --> 01:08:25,404
Speaker 2: our gen X on and get back into physical media.

1706
01:08:25,424 --> 01:08:28,644
Speaker 1: So scarecrow video. Um, yeah. So those are the list

1707
01:08:28,684 --> 01:08:30,744
Speaker 1: of places that can want you to think about. Thanks

1708
01:08:30,764 --> 01:08:31,264
Speaker 1: a lot, Ken.

1709
01:08:31,664 --> 01:08:34,284
Speaker 2: Thanks to rabbit grin productions, Pushkin industries, and who knows

1710
01:08:34,344 --> 01:08:37,004
Speaker 2: best productions, which is me. Special thanks to Chris Dowd.

1711
01:08:37,084 --> 01:08:39,294
Speaker 2: I really can't say thanks enough to Chris Dowd from

1712
01:08:39,374 --> 01:08:43,034
Speaker 2: Fishbone for the theme music. And as I say every week,

1713
01:08:43,074 --> 01:08:45,724
Speaker 2: do something good for yourself, for your community, and for

1714
01:08:45,764 --> 01:08:46,144
Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 1: Take care.