WEBVTT - 4. Devastation

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<v Speaker 1>Murder in Illinois is a production of iHeartRadio. Fourteen years later,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still difficult to imagine oneself on either side of

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<v Speaker 1>this tragic coin. Whether you lost your loved ones to murder,

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<v Speaker 1>or you also believed your loved one had been wrongfully

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of those murders, there would be pain, anger, and bitterness.

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<v Speaker 1>As reporter Erica Worst aptly put it, no.

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<v Speaker 2>One's gonna get what they want, which is their loved

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<v Speaker 2>one's beast.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Gale Vaughan.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a phone call about noon, a personal phone

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<v Speaker 3>call from a lady from the Sun Times, I believe,

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<v Speaker 3>and she was interviewing me on how Kim intermingled with

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<v Speaker 3>the family. And it was like, well, where did this

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<v Speaker 3>call comes from? And she says, oh, didn't you hear

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<v Speaker 3>they were killed? And it was like turned on the news,

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<v Speaker 3>so yeah. I told her I couldn't talk any longer,

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<v Speaker 3>and I went to the TV and I called my husband.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just I was going to sixty directions, but

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't going anywhere. It was just I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>how to react. I just sat on the floor for

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<v Speaker 3>a few minutes and just and so my sister came

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<v Speaker 3>up from downstairs where she's been staying, and she says,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you doing sting on the phone. I says,

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<v Speaker 3>my fail has been killed.

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<v Speaker 4>Jale called me after the reporter called her. She told

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<v Speaker 4>me that there was one survivor.

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<v Speaker 5>She didn't know who it was.

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<v Speaker 4>So I tried calling Chris a couple times on his phone,

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<v Speaker 4>tried calling Kim on her phone, leave once, and I

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<v Speaker 4>tracked down his office number and talked to them. Finally

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<v Speaker 4>I had somebody tell me, no, he did not.

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<v Speaker 5>Show for work that day.

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<v Speaker 4>As far as they know, he had took taken a

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<v Speaker 4>vacation day.

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre immediately began to feel a mixture of fear and panic.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought somebody had to do this to them. I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't believe it was within the family, and I was

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<v Speaker 4>very angry, and my mind was racing about one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>miles a minute because I was at work. I just

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<v Speaker 4>kept calling back and forth, and I finally called gailback

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<v Speaker 4>and said, I cannot get a hold of it. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>she called me back not too long after that, and

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<v Speaker 4>evidently missus Phillips had called her and asked her if

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<v Speaker 4>she's seen the news, and missus Phillips told her that

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<v Speaker 4>it was Chris and Kim's truck, and Kimberly was in

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<v Speaker 4>the front seat and the children in the back, and

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<v Speaker 4>they believed them all to be he dead.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Lauren Brt Pacheco and this is murdering Allinois.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, no face food you baby faced the king? Bye

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<v Speaker 6>all be f.

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<v Speaker 7>You came to.

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<v Speaker 6>Distrushed for had been she.

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<v Speaker 8>A brock came.

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<v Speaker 6>Bye? You did jack you.

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<v Speaker 1>The Vaughn family had loaded into their suv and left

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<v Speaker 1>their oswe Go home before four forty five am. At

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<v Speaker 1>approximately five point fifteen am, a passing motorists would stop

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<v Speaker 1>to render assistance to Christopher Vaughan, who was found limping

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<v Speaker 1>along the frontage road of Interstate fifty five. He'd been

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<v Speaker 1>shot twice. Ten minutes later, our first responders would find

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of his family inside their suv. Like Vaughn,

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<v Speaker 1>each of the three children had been shot twice. The

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<v Speaker 1>body of their mother, Kimberly Vaughan, was slumped in the

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<v Speaker 1>passenger seat, a single gunshot wound under her chin and

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<v Speaker 1>a nine millimeter Torus handgun at her feet. Almost immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>the scene of the murders would be broadcast as breaking

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<v Speaker 1>and heartbreaking news. Gail's sister Rose vividly remembers that fateful morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, because we have a large property. I at the

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<v Speaker 2>time had commercial greenhouses on her property. I was working

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<v Speaker 2>outside and I just came out of the barn and

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<v Speaker 2>my brother called me and told me. I came in

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<v Speaker 2>the house, and of course.

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<v Speaker 8>It was all over TV.

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<v Speaker 9>Their bodies were found in the family vehicle parked near

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<v Speaker 9>I fifty five, on a narrow path near a cell

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<v Speaker 9>phone tower.

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<v Speaker 10>His thirty four year old wife, Kimberley, along with their

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<v Speaker 10>twelve year old daughter Abigail, eleven year old daughter Cassandra,

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<v Speaker 10>and eight year old son Blake, were found dead in

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<v Speaker 10>their suv that was parked on a frontage road just

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<v Speaker 10>west of Interstate fifty five in Shanahan.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you jump to any conclusions or did you assume

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<v Speaker 1>that it must have been a robbery? What were your

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<v Speaker 1>initial thoughts?

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<v Speaker 9>Do you remember if I wouldn't have seen their car

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<v Speaker 9>on TV, I wouldn't have expected it to be true.

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<v Speaker 8>It was crazy. I had no idea. I literally had

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<v Speaker 8>no idea, because of.

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<v Speaker 9>Course with the TV, they don't tell you anything, and

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<v Speaker 9>if they do, you can't always believe anything they say.

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<v Speaker 8>So I was just waiting to.

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<v Speaker 9>Talk to my sister again, which we kept in contact

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<v Speaker 9>to see exactly what the next step was, what we

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<v Speaker 9>need to to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke to both of Chris's brothers, and nearly fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years later, they both still remember the exact moment they

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<v Speaker 1>heard the details of the news. Here's Adam Bond.

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<v Speaker 11>At the time, I was based in Junction City, Kansas,

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<v Speaker 11>working for a small biotech company. I got a call

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<v Speaker 11>on my cell phone from my parents' number.

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<v Speaker 5>They called in and let.

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<v Speaker 11>Me know that there had been an accident and that

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<v Speaker 11>they didn't have all the details yet.

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<v Speaker 4>I I.

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<v Speaker 11>Want to say that the initial story was that an

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<v Speaker 11>unknown shooter had attacked them while they were pulled over

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<v Speaker 11>on the side of the road or something, and it

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<v Speaker 11>just all kind of spiraled from there, and I was

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<v Speaker 11>able to quickly find some pictures online that were just disturbing.

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<v Speaker 11>The one that most vividly burned its image into my

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<v Speaker 11>memory was an aerial shot from I assume a helicopter

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<v Speaker 11>that was actually from an angle such that you could

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<v Speaker 11>see Kimberly's form lying over in.

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<v Speaker 8>The front seat.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric saw similar photos, and like his brother, Adam, was

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<v Speaker 1>in utter disbelief over the images.

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<v Speaker 12>My dad called and told me to turn on the news,

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<v Speaker 12>so I pulled it up on my computer. It was

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<v Speaker 12>aerial helicopter footage of a wooded area with Chris and

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<v Speaker 12>Kim's maroon Ford expedition. Headlines were already flying at that

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<v Speaker 12>point in time, when it had just happened hours prior

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<v Speaker 12>to that. I was really confused. I really kind of

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<v Speaker 12>disbelief that something like that what was happening, or it

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<v Speaker 12>had happened. It definitely set me back on my rear.

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<v Speaker 12>I sat there and watched the footage and tried getting

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<v Speaker 12>a hold of my mom. Once the picture started popping

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<v Speaker 12>up on the news and everything, and my parents were

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<v Speaker 12>able to figure out where Chris was at, they got

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<v Speaker 12>in the truck and got up there to take care

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<v Speaker 12>of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre picks it up from here.

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<v Speaker 4>We tried getting a hold of the state police and

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<v Speaker 4>everything like that, which we're totally uncooperative. Finally, after after

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<v Speaker 4>all afternoon to pacing back and forth, I decided let's go,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll go physically finding. So we spent the next five

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<v Speaker 4>and a half six hours driving up there and finally

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<v Speaker 4>tracking down a little state police station there.

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<v Speaker 8>Here's Gale's take after many calls to the police made

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<v Speaker 8>by myself and my husband, we received no answers. Discontinued

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<v Speaker 8>throughout the morning and afternoon. June fourteenth, thirty pm, my

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<v Speaker 8>husband and I decided to go to the State Police

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<v Speaker 8>District five headquarters in Joliet.

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<v Speaker 1>Gaiale and Pierre made that long drive with only one

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<v Speaker 1>goal in mind to find to their son. Other than

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<v Speaker 1>the location of the police station where Chris was being questioned,

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<v Speaker 1>they still had no real information.

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<v Speaker 8>Ten thirty at night, we arrived at the State Police

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<v Speaker 8>headquarters asking to see Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>They had no idea to the extent to which he

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<v Speaker 1>was hurt or what kind of state.

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<v Speaker 11>He was in.

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<v Speaker 3>And we went in and we told him the situation

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<v Speaker 3>and they said, sure, have a seat, and we sat

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<v Speaker 3>there for a couple of hours, and then we never

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<v Speaker 3>put in a room and it was recorded, and they

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<v Speaker 3>went through questions and everything, and each time, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we keep asking how is Chris, Where is Chris, And

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<v Speaker 3>they said, well, he's here, but he's unavailable right now.

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<v Speaker 3>That was our first indication.

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<v Speaker 1>Gale and Pierre still hadn't spoken to their son or

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<v Speaker 1>been given any official information about what had occurred. For

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<v Speaker 1>Kimberly's family, things have been quite a bit different, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer, David Bush, was already speaking on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>the Phillips.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he was just a family friend. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure how it came to be, but anyway, he seemed

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<v Speaker 3>to handle all the interviews throughout and he spoke for

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<v Speaker 3>the Phillips, and he is where I got the information

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<v Speaker 3>that the police had got into the Phillips home within

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<v Speaker 3>two hours of this incident, that eight o'clock in the morning,

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<v Speaker 3>eight thirty, and that grief counselor was on site.

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<v Speaker 1>To reiterate. The Phillips were informed within hours of the

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy by officers with the grief counselor in tel The

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<v Speaker 1>Vonds found out through the press. Looking back, this seems

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<v Speaker 1>to set the tone for how the public and law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement would view the crime from the beginning, foreshadowing the

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<v Speaker 1>way they would both deal with Christopher's versus Kimberly's family.

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<v Speaker 8>We were told that Chris was not a suspect and

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<v Speaker 8>was helping the police try to make sense of what happened.

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<v Speaker 8>They did not want to disturb him at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>We would have to wait, and so they waited at

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<v Speaker 1>the station, hoping for any information they could get about

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<v Speaker 1>their son. Finally, an officer was willing to speak to them.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, they didn't even want to let us in.

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<v Speaker 4>Then when we told them who we were, then a

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<v Speaker 4>couple police officers came out and talked to us a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit and they said, well, you can't see right now,

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<v Speaker 4>we're questioning him in this and the other thing. And

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<v Speaker 4>we asked him if he's been hurt, and he says, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>he was shot also, and he was staying a hospital

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<v Speaker 4>and treated, but he didn't have life threatening wounds. They

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<v Speaker 4>made us wait in the waiting room for a while,

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<v Speaker 4>and then then they come back out and they said,

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<v Speaker 4>can we talk to you, And they took us in

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<v Speaker 4>a closed room and talked to us and started asking

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<v Speaker 4>us all sorts of questions.

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<v Speaker 5>And I said, is he'd be in charge? Is to

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<v Speaker 5>be in charge?

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<v Speaker 4>And they said no, we's not being charge. And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>then we need to take him home. And then they said,

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<v Speaker 4>well no, he waved his right to an attorney, so

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<v Speaker 4>we got to finish question him. But at the time

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<v Speaker 4>he waved his right to an attorney, they had told

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<v Speaker 4>him the rest of his family it was dead.

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<v Speaker 8>We were then greeted by some plain clothes officers and

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<v Speaker 8>ushered into our room. Richard Mullen began asking us questions,

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<v Speaker 8>not really answering any of our questions. The interview with

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<v Speaker 8>us ended and our Chris was still not available. We

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<v Speaker 8>were assured by Agent Mullen that Christopher knew we were

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<v Speaker 8>there and our cell phone number would be given to him.

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<v Speaker 8>Christopher would give us a call when he was finished

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<v Speaker 8>answering questions because he would need a ride home. Again,

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<v Speaker 8>we were told Chris was free to go at any time.

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<v Speaker 4>He was not a suspect.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what Pierre and Gale were left with.

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<v Speaker 1>They now knew Chris had gunshot wounds and that he'd

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<v Speaker 1>waived his right to an attorney, and they believed, at

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<v Speaker 1>least at the time, he'd seemingly not been made aware

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<v Speaker 1>of the fate of his wife and children.

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<v Speaker 4>All we were doing is pressing them to see and

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<v Speaker 4>talk to Chris. And we said, okay, well we'll just

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<v Speaker 4>sit in the waiting room. The name midnight or so.

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<v Speaker 8>Then.

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<v Speaker 12>Look, you can't sit here and wait, so we don't

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<v Speaker 12>know how long it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 8>We left the police station at one ten in the morning,

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<v Speaker 8>so look for a hotel. After asking the police where

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<v Speaker 8>a hotel could be found, because we weren't familiar with

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<v Speaker 8>this area, no call came from Christopher.

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<v Speaker 1>By the morning, they'd still not heard anything from Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>or the police.

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<v Speaker 8>Friday, June fifteenth, we checked out the hotel, We went

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<v Speaker 8>through a fast food restaurant. We went back to the

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<v Speaker 8>state police headquarters in Juliette. We were told Chris had

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<v Speaker 8>asked to leave about two am. The police had called

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<v Speaker 8>Chris a cab. The police said they had no idea

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<v Speaker 8>where he had gone. We drove back to Chris and

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<v Speaker 8>Kim's house in Oswego, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>Gall and Pierre thought that Chris's first instinct might have

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<v Speaker 1>been to try to return home, so that's where they headed.

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<v Speaker 1>A media circus was already building.

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<v Speaker 8>There were many many reporters and news trucks were in

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<v Speaker 8>the cul de sac in front of Chris and Kim's house.

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<v Speaker 8>We parked in a driveway to the right of Chris's house,

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<v Speaker 8>pere ring the doorbell knock, peered inside. The house was dark.

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<v Speaker 8>No one was home at Chris's.

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<v Speaker 13>Where met by reporters there and you know, they, you know,

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<v Speaker 13>wanted to know the reporters wanted to know.

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<v Speaker 4>Right out the bat why.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris killed his family.

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<v Speaker 4>That was their first question, you know, and and where

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<v Speaker 4>is he at? I don't know where he's at.

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<v Speaker 8>Your reporters, do your.

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<v Speaker 13>Job, find out where he's at, and maybe you can

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<v Speaker 13>tell us.

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<v Speaker 4>And I got in the car and left.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, Gallumpierre still had no word from Chris

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<v Speaker 1>or the police. They desperately wanted to locate their son,

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<v Speaker 1>and on top of it all, they were still processing

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that their daughter in law and grandchildren were dead.

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<v Speaker 1>There was grief and frustration and confusion all at once.

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<v Speaker 8>It it was really surreal. I couldn't believe this had happened.

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<v Speaker 8>I hadn't really talked to anybody to get the details

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<v Speaker 8>on what had happened. How did this happen, Why did

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<v Speaker 8>this happen? Who did this? I mean, these thoughts were

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<v Speaker 8>going through our minds and we were trying to think

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<v Speaker 8>of what happened. And it didn't really sink in that

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<v Speaker 8>they were gone yet. But now we did talk to

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<v Speaker 8>the police and they said, yes, we are interviewing Chris.

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<v Speaker 8>So that answered the question of before we're dead and

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<v Speaker 8>one was alive. So we wanted to be with Chris.

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<v Speaker 8>We wanted to get to Chris as soon as we could,

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<v Speaker 8>and for some reason, the police we're not helping.

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<v Speaker 14>Us do this.

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<v Speaker 1>That reason would soon become clear, but the Vaughans were

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<v Speaker 1>simply left to search for their son.

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<v Speaker 8>We didn't know what in the condition he was in.

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<v Speaker 8>He did sustain two gun wounds, we didn't know where.

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<v Speaker 8>We knew he wasn't dead, and he was walking around,

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<v Speaker 8>so it couldn't have been life threatening. But the imagination

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<v Speaker 8>is a terrible thing when you are near a traumatic incident.

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<v Speaker 8>So Pierre and I drove away from the media circus

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<v Speaker 8>from Chris's house and pulled into the clubhouse parking area

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<v Speaker 8>in the front by the pool. We again called the

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<v Speaker 8>state police to see if they could trace the cab

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<v Speaker 8>that they had called for Chris, and to find out

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<v Speaker 8>where they had dropped Chris at. The police called back

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<v Speaker 8>Chris had been dropped up at the Fairfield Inn, just

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<v Speaker 8>off Route thirty back in Joliet.

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<v Speaker 11>We were now in.

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<v Speaker 8>Northwego, so we drove to the Fairfield Inn and there

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<v Speaker 8>was no Christopher.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I remember, he's in an open hospital gown

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<v Speaker 4>with a pair of underwear on and hospital booties and

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<v Speaker 4>he's you knows Riss's bandage, his legs bandaged, and you

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<v Speaker 4>know they hadn't changed the bandage since the hospital treatedy

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<v Speaker 4>and that nine.

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<v Speaker 5>In the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd later find out that shortly after telling the bonds

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<v Speaker 1>to leave, the police put Chris Vaughn in a cab

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<v Speaker 1>alone without a phone, at one forty a m. He

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't told his parents had actually been at the station,

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<v Speaker 1>and they knew that you were in town. They knew

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<v Speaker 1>that you had begged to see him. They you had

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<v Speaker 1>given them your cell phone, and they just put him

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<v Speaker 1>out on the street.

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<v Speaker 5>They called him a cab and.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess he had his wallet or a credit card

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<v Speaker 4>with you or whatever, but yeah, they put they get

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<v Speaker 4>he got a cab and they told the cab driver

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<v Speaker 4>take him to a hotel, and he went through three

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<v Speaker 4>or four hotels before you know, because he come walking

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<v Speaker 4>in in the hospital gown and with the bloody leg

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<v Speaker 4>and they're not going to exactly take you in.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll recall that police claimed Chris was dropped at a

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<v Speaker 1>Fairfield end, but Gail and Pierre found him at a

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<v Speaker 1>motel eight.

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<v Speaker 8>We asked Chris why he had been in the Motel eight.

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<v Speaker 8>When the cab dropped him at the Fairfield. His reply

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<v Speaker 8>was that Hotel eight was the only one out of

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<v Speaker 8>three that would let him have a room, seeing the

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<v Speaker 8>way he was dressed. So this meant that the tab

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<v Speaker 8>dropped him off the Fairfield and he walked in and

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<v Speaker 8>they turned him away. He walked into the next one

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<v Speaker 8>they turned him away, and the Motel eight was the

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<v Speaker 8>only one that allowed him to get a room.

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<v Speaker 4>He told the guy he paid him double them to

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<v Speaker 4>stay in the room, so he went in there and crash.

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<v Speaker 1>Gall and Pierre were finally able to locate their son

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<v Speaker 1>at the motel.

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<v Speaker 8>We hugged him. He appeared to be in a state

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<v Speaker 8>of shock. His skin was cold and clammy. There there

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<v Speaker 8>was very little color in his face. His eyes were

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<v Speaker 8>blazed and dark. It was like his pupils were dilated.

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<v Speaker 8>They his eyes just weren't. I mean, he was wearing

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<v Speaker 8>two hospital gowns, underwear, and hospital booties when we found him.

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<v Speaker 8>The gauze from his leg wound was loose and bloody.

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<v Speaker 8>We went back into the hotel room the Motel eight

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<v Speaker 8>and I left Pierre with Christopher and I immediately went

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<v Speaker 8>to the store to buy his clothes, shoes, and bandages.

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<v Speaker 8>Pierre sat there. They sat in the dark. Chris said

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<v Speaker 8>he didn't on any lights all. I mean, he just

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<v Speaker 8>he was hiding. He didn't know what to do. His

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<v Speaker 8>world had collapsed. So Pierre sat with Chris. He hugged Chris.

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<v Speaker 8>They really did not speak at this point. Ollie did well.

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<v Speaker 8>Pierre did was just shold him. Pierre did not push

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<v Speaker 8>for answers at this time because Chris was in a daze,

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<v Speaker 8>quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Of shock, you know, to see your your son living

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<v Speaker 4>and bloody bandages and at the time he had long hair,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was it was just fuddled. It was all

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<v Speaker 4>over the place, and he was he was ghost white, pale,

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<v Speaker 4>and dark circles around his eyes, and he just yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was a bad scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre sat with his son, watching him try to process

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened, while also dealing with his own emotions

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<v Speaker 1>as a father and grandfather.

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<v Speaker 5>And I stayed there and talked with him, and in

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<v Speaker 5>he just one word answers.

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<v Speaker 4>Then he finally he asked me. He says, he says,

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<v Speaker 4>they told me my Kim and the kids are dead

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<v Speaker 4>and they're gone. And I says yeah, And I says

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<v Speaker 4>that's what they told us too. And he says, he all,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a long time. He says, well, he says, everything's gone.

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<v Speaker 4>Then he'sas, I have no reason to continue, no reason

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<v Speaker 4>to have a house job.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, my family's gone.

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<v Speaker 4>I have nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>So at that moment, he was, he was at rock bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>As we've stated in previous episodes, Chris had a parent

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<v Speaker 1>gaps in his memory in regard to the sequence of events,

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<v Speaker 1>which fostered almost immediate suspicion among the investigators. His parents

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<v Speaker 1>attributed his demeanor to the stress and shock of what

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<v Speaker 1>he'd just experienced. Gail and Pierre shifted their focus to

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of their son. As support of parents.

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<v Speaker 8>Tierre talked to Chris about his physical wounds and just

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<v Speaker 8>mostly sat in silence, just being there with him. I

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<v Speaker 8>returned with clothes, flip flops, and moon clean cleaners and bandages,

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<v Speaker 8>and we washed Chris up, helped him put on his clothes.

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<v Speaker 8>We assisted him in changing his bandages on his left

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<v Speaker 8>wrist and left thigh. We left Motel eight and went

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<v Speaker 8>back to Target to fill up prescription for antibiotics. He

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<v Speaker 8>had received a script from the emergency room. When the

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<v Speaker 8>prescription was filled, we left. We found a restaurant starving

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<v Speaker 8>breakfast as well as lunch. We ordered, but not much

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<v Speaker 8>was he eaten. We checked into a Holiday Express Saturday

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<v Speaker 8>and watched TV together, not really seeing what was on

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<v Speaker 8>the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>You will find multiple incidences of Chrispond's allegedly self inflicted

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<v Speaker 1>bullet wounds to his left wrist and leg, described as

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<v Speaker 1>superficial injuries. His parents disagree.

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<v Speaker 13>His wrist was probably the least one because we thought

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<v Speaker 13>possibly the bullet had ricocheted off of the bend of

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<v Speaker 13>his watch that he had, so it just kind of

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<v Speaker 13>skittered down his skin. Yeah, it didn't go through his wrist, No,

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<v Speaker 13>it went perpendicular to his wrist and his bone stuff

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<v Speaker 13>like that, and made a nice gash in there.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, his wound to his leg.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a different matter.

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<v Speaker 12>That's different matter, because that was a true and true wound.

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<v Speaker 13>Luckily it went on the outside of the bone instead

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<v Speaker 13>of inside of the Who had gone on the inside

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<v Speaker 13>of the bone, it would have.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit the main artery and he wouldn't be here to day.

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<v Speaker 13>But it went through and through on the left side,

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<v Speaker 13>come out the backside of the sky. And sometime during

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<v Speaker 13>the week between that and the funeral. I took him

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<v Speaker 13>into a doctor and the doctor pulled thirty six inches

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<v Speaker 13>of gauze out of the wound hole they had packed

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<v Speaker 13>a pull of gauze.

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Vaughan was wounded, had lost his entire family, and

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<v Speaker 1>according to the law, was supposed to have had the

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<v Speaker 1>presumption of innocence.

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<v Speaker 3>He just had a glassy stare and stared off in space,

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<v Speaker 3>and but he was with us, so you know, as

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<v Speaker 3>long as he was with us, that was okay. We

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<v Speaker 3>went back to the hotel, he went in for another

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<v Speaker 3>interrogation talk, and then the next day he went in again,

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<v Speaker 3>and after that we headed back to Saint Louis, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 13>Home.

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<v Speaker 1>There are many key and controversial moments of the initial interrogations,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the time Gale and Pierre had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>to the extent of the questioning Chris had endured until

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<v Speaker 1>later when they viewed the tapes, which they've shared with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre Vaughan believes the aggressiveness of the interrogation was meant

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<v Speaker 1>to serve a very specific purpose.

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<v Speaker 5>To break him down even further.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of like boot camp in the military. They

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<v Speaker 4>were you out so bad that you submit to their orders,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that's.

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<v Speaker 6>What they did.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, when you questioned a guy from ten o'clock

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<v Speaker 4>in the morning till two o'clock the next morning, eighteen

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<v Speaker 4>hours or whatever it was, twenty hours of questioning, you

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<v Speaker 4>know you're going to break down his resistance, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>what they tried to do. But according to the transcripts

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<v Speaker 4>of the police tapes, he never did. That was never

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<v Speaker 4>presented at the trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Here are some of the excerpts of the questioning of

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<v Speaker 1>Vaughn after the shootings, while he was still clad in

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<v Speaker 1>a hospital gown and bleeding.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember. I got in, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 15>I don't even know if I was putting my seatbelt

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<v Speaker 15>on or what. And then once I saw my leg,

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<v Speaker 15>I don't know. I think I stopped thinking. Did you

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<v Speaker 15>see a gun in your hand? I don't even remember

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<v Speaker 15>seeing her.

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<v Speaker 3>I just got in, and.

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<v Speaker 15>I don't remember I remember even looking around, but that

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<v Speaker 15>I just I.

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<v Speaker 11>Just got out.

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<v Speaker 16>Do you remember something else you told me that happened

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<v Speaker 16>that you did or you said after you felt any

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<v Speaker 16>the the the injury to your life.

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<v Speaker 15>So that was where I go for help, Okay, do

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<v Speaker 15>you remember you saying that? Not particularly but I remember,

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<v Speaker 15>I don't. I don't know if I said it or

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<v Speaker 15>if I meant to say it, but that was where

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<v Speaker 15>I was headed.

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<v Speaker 4>Mkay.

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<v Speaker 16>But you said you said it to her, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 16>I'm I'm only telling you. I'm repeating back to you what.

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<v Speaker 13>You told me.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you guys asked exactly how. I don't remember if

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<v Speaker 4>I said, CANIM long for help? I'm longing for help?

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<v Speaker 4>I I don't remember other than I'm going for help.

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<v Speaker 17>Did you say it the way you're talking now? Real solve?

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<v Speaker 4>Like a little girl?

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<v Speaker 1>Talk up here? Again? Is Pierre Vaughan, Well, you'd have to.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at the beginning of the tape when he they

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<v Speaker 4>first run Hi back from the hospital and they started

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<v Speaker 4>talking to him and everything like that. They were asking

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<v Speaker 4>him questions and he was kind of in shocked because

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<v Speaker 4>he'd been shot. He kept asking, where's Kim, where's the kids?

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<v Speaker 4>Where's Kim, where's the kids? And they wouldn't tell him.

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<v Speaker 4>They wouldn't tell him, And that went on for quite

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<v Speaker 4>a while. So finally they told him. You know, he

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<v Speaker 4>told him, he said, well, unless you tell me where

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<v Speaker 4>Kim the kids are, I'm not going to talk to

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<v Speaker 4>you anymore. So that's when, you know, the nice policeman

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<v Speaker 4>said you killed all your family. They're dead, And then

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<v Speaker 4>they laid out the pictures and he said, no, that's

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 4>that's not true. You know, he says they're not dead,

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<v Speaker 4>and he as they are, and they kept pushing the

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<v Speaker 4>picture back and in front of him and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>accusing him of doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>As a side note, during that interrogation, Chris could have

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<v Speaker 1>blamed his wife, but he didn't, pulling and over and over.

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<v Speaker 14>And over.

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<v Speaker 13>All.

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<v Speaker 15>The thing I can think of is it Kim somehow?

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<v Speaker 15>Oh my god, And there's there's snowy around and.

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<v Speaker 4>So, Okay, I don't.

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<v Speaker 8>Know.

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<v Speaker 17>I don't think she's killed all of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Something private investigator Bill Clutter pointed out during one of

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<v Speaker 1>our interviews.

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<v Speaker 14>As I started going through the transcripts of those interviews,

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<v Speaker 14>I was being able to see there were a number

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<v Speaker 14>of times when the detectives would try to get Chris

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<v Speaker 14>to point the finger it Kimberly for having done this,

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<v Speaker 14>and he just was reluctant to go there. When he

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<v Speaker 14>was given the opportunity to blame his wife, he defended

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<v Speaker 14>her and just found it impossible to believe that she

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<v Speaker 14>would kill her own children. So if this is a

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<v Speaker 14>person that had staged all this with the intent of

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<v Speaker 14>leading the police to believe that his wife had committed

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<v Speaker 14>this as a murder suicide, I mean, detectives gave him

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<v Speaker 14>every opportunity to bite on that, and he just never did.

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<v Speaker 17>Why do you think she would shoe shoot?

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<v Speaker 15>I can't imagine why she would do I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 15>her doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Mean knew he had her words the night.

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<v Speaker 4>Before, and she still didn't know about the weekend.

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<v Speaker 15>I had no idea, I mean name, we had, we had.

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<v Speaker 1>Plans all summer, Bill had. Doctor Terry Killian, a forensic psychiatrist,

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<v Speaker 1>examined the footage of the entire interrogation. His professional opinion

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<v Speaker 1>was that Chris exhibited signs of dissociative amnesia, which would

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<v Speaker 1>have been difficult to fake. Despite their attempts to break

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<v Speaker 1>Chris down over the duration of the police interview, he

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<v Speaker 1>stuck to the story that he could not remember, and

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<v Speaker 1>the police stuck to their narrative.

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<v Speaker 17>Tell me you're a lucky guy. Out of here, tell

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<v Speaker 17>me you're a lucky guy. Say I'm a lucky guy

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<v Speaker 17>because I didn't die today.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's true.

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<v Speaker 17>You're a lucky guy, Chris. You didn't die today. Guess

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<v Speaker 17>what you're gonna live? Things being here ain't here?

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<v Speaker 9>No more?

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<v Speaker 17>Gone, Dad, your kids? What's her name? This is Sandy?

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<v Speaker 17>How would a say? Is this the way you remember

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<v Speaker 17>Sandy looking this morning? Did she look just like this?

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<v Speaker 17>What did she look like? Her hair was shorter? How

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<v Speaker 17>else was it? What did she look like when she died?

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<v Speaker 17>What do you think she looked like when she died?

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<v Speaker 17>How about Abigail? What does she look like? Did she

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<v Speaker 17>look like this? Did she look like this before she

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<v Speaker 17>died today? Did she What do you think did she

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<v Speaker 17>have that same look on her face when she died today?

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<v Speaker 17>Is that the way she looked? You can't say? How

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<v Speaker 17>about Blake.

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<v Speaker 3>Looks just like you?

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<v Speaker 7>Did he look like that today when you killed him?

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<v Speaker 7>Did you kill him? Did you kill Blake? Did you

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<v Speaker 7>kill your wife? Did you kill anybody? But they're all dead?

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<v Speaker 13>Right?

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<v Speaker 8>What you said?

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<v Speaker 17>That's what I'm telling you happened. They're all dead. They're

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<v Speaker 17>not here, but lucky Chris is still here. Not so lucky,

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<v Speaker 17>not so lucky?

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<v Speaker 6>Why not?

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<v Speaker 17>Why aren't you so lucky? Everything that everything you live for?

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<v Speaker 17>And it's gone. But guess what, you're still here. That's

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<v Speaker 17>pretty lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again is Pierre.

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<v Speaker 5>Finally he pushed the pictures away and he shut down.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he he would just keep denying that he

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<v Speaker 4>killed them, and that he'd answer the questions and tell

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 4>them he told him, he says. You know, after we

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<v Speaker 4>pulled off on the road, he says, I got out

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<v Speaker 4>to check check the truck, and he says after that,

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<v Speaker 4>he says, I do not remember anything. He says, the

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<v Speaker 4>next thing I remember is that I'm walking along the

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<v Speaker 4>road and the guy taps me on the shoulder. And

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<v Speaker 4>please wouldn't accept that. They you know, well, how can

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<v Speaker 4>you shoot your wife and kids and not remember that? Basically,

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<v Speaker 4>he shut down.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're not gonna believe me, I'm not going to

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 5>talk to you type thing. And it gets that for me.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, if if I.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk to people and they're not listening to me, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't talk to him anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>Wou'd you do it again?

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<v Speaker 11>I didn't do it?

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<v Speaker 4>But you do it again?

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<v Speaker 13>I didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 17>What did you do it again? You keep repeating, how

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 17>did you do it? I didn't Did they see it?

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 14>I didn't do anything?

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<v Speaker 17>Did they see it when you did it?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm done talking.

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<v Speaker 17>Did you see it? Did you see it? Did you

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<v Speaker 17>see their face? Did you see their faces when they

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<v Speaker 17>did it?

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<v Speaker 8>Huh?

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<v Speaker 17>I'm never talking.

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 11>Huh.

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 17>Don't shut down on me. This is a new Cress.

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<v Speaker 17>Remember I answered your question, Chris Man. This is a

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<v Speaker 17>new Chris.

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<v Speaker 16>I lost everything, but you'd have everything now. You may

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 16>have lost things in the past, but what do you

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<v Speaker 16>have now? But you get to start a new don't you.

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<v Speaker 16>You're reborn again, the new Chris.

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<v Speaker 17>Right else you do. But you know what, Chris, put

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<v Speaker 17>your head down. Keep it down, because that's where it belongs.

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<v Speaker 7>The shame, the shame of it all, Chris, I just

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<v Speaker 7>don't want to hear what you have, the same of

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<v Speaker 7>it all and over this, the shame of it all.

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<v Speaker 17>Quite put your head back down. I'd be shame too.

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<v Speaker 7>If I did what you did, I'd be shaved. I

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 7>put my head down, just done. I would put my

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 7>head downheah, put your head back down. Shameful, But that's

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:31.399
<v Speaker 7>old Chris.

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<v Speaker 17>Would be a shameful. Do anything shameful.

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<v Speaker 1>After everything, they let Chris go, but the police were

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<v Speaker 1>far from being done with him. He was followed constantly

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<v Speaker 1>They had a tail on.

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<v Speaker 4>Him and us at all times. They had an unmarked car.

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<v Speaker 4>They knew exactly where we were, they knew exactly what

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<v Speaker 4>rooms where you're staying in and and everything. They tailed

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 4>us all the way coming back to the Missouri shape line.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the next day, when it seemed as if

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 1>Chris had already hit rock bottom, things would continue to

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<v Speaker 1>get worse.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't until we got Chris back to our house.

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<v Speaker 13>And then.

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<v Speaker 4>While we were making the funeral arrangements stuff like that,

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 4>the state police called us and they wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 4>to Chris and I again. And I said, okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 4>come over and talk to us. You know, this is

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<v Speaker 4>our address, and he said, no, you got to go

0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:29.800
<v Speaker 4>over there. Well, we had to go over across the

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 4>state line in Illinois because they had no jurisdiction. And

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<v Speaker 4>if you know, I didn't figure out this out till later,

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 4>but if Chris had said something or admitted something, they

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<v Speaker 4>could arrested him right there in Illinois because they had jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 4>If they came over to our side of the river,

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<v Speaker 4>they had none.

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<v Speaker 1>In spite of everything, the Vaughn still trusted the police

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<v Speaker 1>at that point and in the presumption of innocence. They

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<v Speaker 1>also felt they had nothing to hide, so.

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<v Speaker 4>We went over there and talked to him again. On

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<v Speaker 4>the way back, Chris more or less told me he's

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<v Speaker 4>his dad. He says, I think they're going to try

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:07.279
<v Speaker 4>to do in this on me. And I said, well,

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.479
<v Speaker 4>you know, I says, you don't have any worry about

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 4>he didn't do it, and he said, well, that's not

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:15.439
<v Speaker 4>what they think. And then that's about all I said

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:18.800
<v Speaker 4>about it, because he he was still much in a

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 4>state of shock, trying to figure things out. Neither one

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 4>of us knew what to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do, and it turns out there was very little that

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<v Speaker 1>could be done. It was at this point that Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>Vaughan was no longer just a grieving father and spouse.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the primary suspect, and the murders of his

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<v Speaker 1>wife and children called.

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<v Speaker 6>His feet to my nor my flight diuma.

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<v Speaker 18>He swollen him up, changing mine. I'll hope he fusing.

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<v Speaker 6>This in that.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next murder in Illinois, as Crispawn prepares to

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<v Speaker 1>place his wife and children in their graves.

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<v Speaker 5>I absolutely saw him crying.

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<v Speaker 11>I saw him trying to hold it together around people,

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<v Speaker 11>but you could just see pain emanating from him.

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<v Speaker 1>Handcuffs are placed on his wrists.

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<v Speaker 4>There was fourteen different policemen standing there and they immediately

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<v Speaker 4>handcuffed him and writing his rights and tell him his

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<v Speaker 4>being arrested for the murder of his family.

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