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Speaker 4: Now here's your host, Jen Mueller.

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Speaker 5: We'll get you ready for Seahawks football every Sunday, but

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Speaker 5: right now we are getting you ready for the Seahawks Draft.

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Speaker 4: It is a big one.

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Speaker 5: John Boyle from Seahawks dot Com is here with me

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Speaker 5: to help break it down and maybe set some expectations

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Speaker 5: or level set.

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Speaker 4: Which one are we doing today?

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Speaker 1: Either or we could do both. I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot that why said let's just hype it

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Speaker 3: up and let everyone go crazy.

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Speaker 1: Who needs to level set?

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Speaker 4: And you know, see this is overhype of personality.

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Speaker 5: I know I'm a little down play it and then

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Speaker 5: let's over deliver. You're the hype man. That's like never before.

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Speaker 5: Now today, today you are the hype man, and there

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Speaker 5: has been a lot that has happened since the last

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Speaker 5: time you and I chatted, including the addition of a

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Speaker 5: number of free agents and the Seahawks releasing some fan

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Speaker 5: favorites and some names that we had gotten used to

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Speaker 5: around Seattle. Let's just run through a list of the

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Speaker 5: free agent signings that could end up All of them

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Speaker 5: could end up playing significant roles. Evan Brown the center

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Speaker 5: gets signed from Detroit. Linebacker Devin Bush comes over to

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Speaker 5: join that defense, Draymont Jones on the defensive line, Jaron

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Speaker 5: Reid comes back after spending a few years away, and

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Speaker 5: Julian loved the safety is signed, and there's Bobby Wacks.

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Speaker 1: I was about say we're forgetting one of their lines.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't forgetting.

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Speaker 5: I was saving the best for last, the fan favorite

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Speaker 5: for last. Yes, Bobby Wagner returns. You sat and listened

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Speaker 5: to all of those press conferences and had a chance

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Speaker 5: to meet them. What is your initial impressions of why

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Speaker 5: these signings are the right ones for Seattle right now?

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Speaker 1: I mean, they vary a little bit case to case.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, some of these are just kind

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Speaker 3: of clear need guys, but some of them, I think too,

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Speaker 3: are just really good football players who happen to be

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Speaker 3: good fits schematically culture wise with the team.

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Speaker 1: You know, you look at like Julian Love.

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Speaker 3: Okay, safety is not necessarily the biggest need, But then

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Speaker 3: you listen to the coaches and John Schneier talk about him,

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Speaker 3: and it's like, Okay, yeah, we have two really good

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Speaker 3: safeties already and Jamal and Adams and Quandary Diggs. But man,

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Speaker 3: this guy's just a hell of a football player, and

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Speaker 3: he was available at a price that we thought we

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Speaker 3: could do. And then, you know, you, then you talk

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Speaker 3: to him and just he's a guy that's gonna fit

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Speaker 3: in well really, I'm sorry, the guy who's gonna fit

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Speaker 3: in really well here, just that the culture here is personality.

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Speaker 1: I think fans are gonna like him a lot.

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Speaker 5: Well, And I am such a planner and I want

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Speaker 5: to know how everything is going to work out. But

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Speaker 5: I love the fact that Pete Carroll and John Schneider

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Speaker 5: are like, no, let's just bring in the talent.

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Speaker 4: We will figure it out later. Trust us, we'll figure

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we got we all kinds of plans, and we

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Speaker 6: have some variables to deal with it are really positive,

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Speaker 6: you know, guys with a lot of flexibility, and we

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Speaker 6: you know, he wondered, well, how are you going to

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Speaker 6: play them? We'll figure that out. We're excited about that.

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Speaker 6: And Jamal has been such a dynamic player and his

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Speaker 6: You guys might forget, but Caandre was was a nickel

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Speaker 1: I know Jen Wheeler did not forget that.

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Speaker 4: Quar I did not. I would never forget that.

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Speaker 1: I am if we can rewind him.

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Speaker 3: And I'm so mad at myself that talking about Julian

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Speaker 1: His name is Love.

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Speaker 3: I just I'm disappointed in myself.

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Speaker 4: I'm disappointed in myself that I didn't catch it.

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Speaker 1: Nelan is good for a bad, really terrible pun. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Back to the point they're making, Yeah, it's you know,

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Speaker 3: I think you know, initially there was this thought of, oh,

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Speaker 3: you know, they want three guys out there a lot.

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Speaker 3: It's what they planned on last year, and then unfortunately

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Speaker 3: Jamal Adams gets hurt Week one through a wrench in

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Speaker 3: And also it gives you more depth if something were

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Speaker 3: there's a really kind of blurred line now between what

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Speaker 1: And I noticed this. I think John Shyer's done.

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Speaker 3: On two different occasions, He'll be asked about something having

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Speaker 3: the box, like we saw Jamal Adams in camp last

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Speaker 3: be really fascinating to see how that kind of unfolds

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Speaker 5: Well, and it does change a little bit the needs

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Speaker 5: Seattle has going into the draft. Here's what else changes

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Speaker 1: Yeah anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you let Al Woods go in a

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Speaker 3: If you don't do that, you're probably gonna want to

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Speaker 3: draft some guys as well.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah that I mean, you look.

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Speaker 3: At right now they don't really have especially with Brian

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Speaker 3: Monaque coming off just about He's a guy they really like,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, in that injury to Brian Monette that was late

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Speaker 4: Miles Adams played.

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Speaker 5: On the interior last year, but he's a little bit

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Speaker 5: interesting though, how John Schneider talked about evaluating talent and

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Speaker 5: denominators is how you might say it of any successful

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the competitors and the people. I mean, I think

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Speaker 7: and that's that the film kind of is what it is.

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Speaker 7: And then knowing who the person is and not trying

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, we've heard johns Shteyner state over

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Speaker 1: But until you really do the work to get.

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Speaker 3: To know the guys and know how are they going

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Speaker 3: and that's what they feel like with last year's class,

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Speaker 5: Here's the thing I think that gets missed when we

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Speaker 5: Best available is best available based on the team's evaluation,

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Speaker 5: because it goes to what you're saying. You could have

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Speaker 4: The draft board.

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Speaker 5: If they do not fit the culture, if they do

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Speaker 5: you're gonna have a whole bunch of guys out for

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Speaker 5: be careful when you start saying, yeah, but he's the

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Speaker 5: best one there, well is he the best one for you?

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Speaker 5: Because if he's not, then you've essentially wasted a pick

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also I think it's worth pointing out too

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Speaker 3: need is kind of baked into the formula. So you're

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Speaker 5: And I do love the the fact that Pete and

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Speaker 7: We've changed some grades towards the bottom of the draft

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Speaker 6: I think that's maybe the biggest clear difference. I think

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Speaker 6: really I think John's guys, and that's why we have

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Speaker 3: That process started back I think I was in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: So how do you get to know them?

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Speaker 3: How do you get to know what's going to make

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Speaker 4: I have a story about Tirey Wollan, but one, but.

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Speaker 5: I have you multiple, I have multiple, but this is

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Speaker 4: This happened, but it's a first pitch story.

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Speaker 5: do you think it's because they've gotten so much better

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Speaker 5: Right, that did not necessarily fit that early idea of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think it's kind of all those

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Speaker 3: it wasn't draft so much as a free air waiver

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Speaker 3: But then they did go out and draft Trey Brown,

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's getting back to what maybe worked for you earlier.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just as simple as having more draft capital.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a coincidence that one of their

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Speaker 3: and that's fortunately a situation there and again this year

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Speaker 5: Well and Tarik Wooland has been called the steal of

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Speaker 4: It's the guy in the fifth round. Now, let me

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Speaker 5: and evaluating talent. So Tarik throws out the first pitch

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Speaker 4: Who was like, yeah, true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna be so good.

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Speaker 3: I mean she think about like and even be at

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Speaker 1: Just such a great kid too. You know what.

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Speaker 5: The only thing that disappointed me about the entire interview

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Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't get I hope not.

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Speaker 5: Whoever works with him needs to make sure that that

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Speaker 4: I can only imagine the amount.

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Speaker 5: Of work that has to be done because you are

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Speaker 5: Here's what John says, and then I want to get

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Speaker 7: I would say, way more exciting, you know, I think

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Speaker 7: You know, last year obviously picking you know where we picked,

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Speaker 7: but there's there's levels all throughout this you know, all

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Speaker 7: A fifth pick, I think is it's just really exciting

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Speaker 5: So does that make it easier or harder? I know

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Speaker 4: Is it easier or harder?

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Speaker 5: Do you think when you've got more information on those

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Speaker 3: I mean, in theory it should be easier, but it's

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't know what that feels like at all.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I feel like having to pick this high

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Speaker 3: is just me you spend too much time on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: John Shire talked about these shelves and like he's not

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Speaker 1: Graded player available to you at your pick.

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Speaker 3: And that's a big reason you see teams trade back

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Speaker 3: cool opportunity. Of the Seahawks have not had much in Carolyn

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Speaker 4: Here you talk about Pete Carroll's optimism.

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Speaker 5: I drafted Pete Carroll line and my mom last week

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Speaker 5: that's a good thought to have. She was like, what

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Speaker 5: it's like, Well, I've listened to Pete for a lot

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Speaker 5: Good thought to have when you think about that first

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're in there, and it's weird because you

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Speaker 3: just doesn't fortunately does not earn quote unquote those top

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Speaker 3: done all their homework. They've been very public about it.

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Speaker 3: We've seen, you know, the selfies at the Pro Day's

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Speaker 3: all that stuff, and they've talked about it pretty openly.

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Speaker 3: If I don't know who the guy they like is,

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Speaker 3: but whoever it is, of those top four we keep

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Speaker 3: hearing about, if one or two of those guys is

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Speaker 3: available and you're really commenced that can be a long

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Speaker 3: term franchise, Pro Bowl caliber quarterback, you got it. Really

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Speaker 3: strongly consider it. I much as you have bigger needs

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Speaker 3: on this team, most notably the defensive line, I would

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Speaker 3: be fine taking a quarterback there just because that position

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Speaker 3: is so darn important and if you hit on it,

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Speaker 3: what that can do for franchise going forward is so

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Speaker 3: much bigger than any other position.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna throw this one at to Yes, I'm

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Speaker 5: not going to disagree that you have to have a

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Speaker 5: franchise quarterback. Yes, knowing that nothing is guaranteed in sports,

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Speaker 5: right and that injuries happen and trades happen and lots

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Speaker 5: of different things happen. What happens if you had the

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Speaker 5: chance to get a playmaker on the defensive.

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Speaker 4: Side of the ball.

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Speaker 5: That pushes you over the edge for the next two

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Speaker 5: years before one of those potential franchise quarterbacks is available,

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Speaker 5: is it worth it? And when I say available, like

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Speaker 5: as your starter, who you know has the grasp of

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Speaker 5: the offense that you need to succeed.

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Speaker 3: I mean from what we saw from Geo Smith last year, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I love the idea is get a great defensive player,

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Speaker 3: especially somebody up front, and you're you're definitely better in

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Speaker 3: the short term. You know, in twenty twenty three, when

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Speaker 3: the NFC looks pretty wide open, we just.

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Speaker 1: Sire and Rogers get traded. Today there's like there's not

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Speaker 1: a lot either way.

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Speaker 4: That's not breaking news, no.

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Speaker 3: But it's finally, you know, somewhat not even official, but

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Speaker 3: agreed upon. But the point being like outside of your

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Speaker 3: own division with the forty nine ers and you know

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Speaker 3: the obviously the Eagles are the defense champces, there are

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Speaker 3: not like a huge number of big juggernaut teams in

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Speaker 3: the FC, where're like, Oh, the Sawks have so much

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Speaker 3: to grow and overcome to be in that category. And

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Speaker 3: I think Geo Smith gives you a great chance to

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Speaker 3: win right now and in the short term future. So

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Speaker 3: I would love the idea of if you're sold on

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Speaker 3: a pass rusher, an interior defense, five, whatever, just go

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Speaker 3: get that. But I also really see the argument for

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Speaker 3: quarterback and would have no problems with going that route

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 5: Oh so I'm glad I put you on the spot

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Speaker 5: because I'm not going to take a guess on this one,

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Speaker 5: Like why not guess tell me what they're going to do.

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Speaker 5: But I'm just gonna let them tell me.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 5: Else, though, we need to talk Bobby Wagner for just

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Speaker 5: a hot time second before we wrap this up, because

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Speaker 5: wherever Bobby plays on the field, however many snaps he

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Speaker 5: gets this year, one thing is for certain, Seattle is

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Speaker 5: in a great position right now with the draft class

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Speaker 5: that you had last year and the draft class that's

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Speaker 5: coming in to make a what am I looking what's

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Speaker 5: the word, I'm looking for a massive impression in the future.

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Speaker 5: I know I'm missing the word. Bobby Wagner is the

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Speaker 5: leader that is going to have an impact on these

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Speaker 5: young kids. So I'm excited to have him back, and

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Speaker 5: everybody in the building is too.

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Speaker 6: It's really exciting to have him back. He's really fired

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Speaker 6: up to be here and be part of it and

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Speaker 6: reconnect and all. And he's you know, you can see him.

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Speaker 6: He's he's got new eyes looking at us, you know,

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Speaker 6: because he's been through another experience, and so I think

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Speaker 6: his appreciation for you know, the time he spent and

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Speaker 6: the things that we've done and all, it's kind of

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Speaker 6: coming forward. And so he's he's been really it's been

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Speaker 6: really good. Every time he pops in, you know, he

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Speaker 6: pops in like you always. He's always been around a lot,

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Speaker 6: and so when he does again, he gets everybody lift.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: He's really positive influence.

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Speaker 3: I think it's undeniable that the impact he's gonna have

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Speaker 3: just on that whole locker room. And I do think

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Speaker 3: there might be something to it almost being better that

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Speaker 3: he's gone for you and comes back. There's the part

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Speaker 3: Py carrolse about he's seen the different eyes, and that's

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Speaker 3: all true. But I think maybe for the guys who

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Speaker 3: came in last year or became bigger leaders last year.

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Speaker 3: I think there's an opportunity for a guy like Quandary

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Speaker 3: Diggs to step into a bigger leadership role. There's maybe

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Speaker 3: an opportunity for young guys to develop without this massive figure.

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Speaker 3: Not that boy Wigner did anything like negative to cause this,

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Speaker 3: it's just who he is. When you are a six

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Speaker 3: time first Team All Bro, a walking Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 4: Like, you take up a lot of space.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just changes the dynamic of a locker room.

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Speaker 3: So you let this young team last year kind of

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Speaker 3: come together, this defense, figures some things out as a group,

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Speaker 3: and then you bring Bobby Wagner back in. It's like,

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Speaker 3: oh wow, that's Bobby Wagner. He's gonna make us better

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Speaker 3: on a field, He's gonna teach us some stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: I just love the dynamic of him coming back this

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Speaker 3: year and what that can do for the team. Transformative,

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Speaker 3: there you go, was a word that would have been

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Speaker 3: like a minute ago, right.

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Speaker 5: Like two minutes ago, Transformative would have been super impactful.

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Speaker 4: Now it's just.

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Speaker 1: We are.

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Speaker 5: We are not in mid season four, but we don't

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Speaker 5: have to be because it is the off season and

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Speaker 5: the Seahawks are giving us plenty to talk about.

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Speaker 4: We've got the draft coming up in a few days,

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Speaker 4: and I think we should.

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Speaker 1: Probably shoot this this week.

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Speaker 4: That's geez, clear the calendar.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I hope you can make some time in

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Speaker 5: your busy schedule for that. And we should probably make

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Speaker 5: some time after the draft to break that down.

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Speaker 1: Deal absolutely all right.

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Speaker 4: That is the next time you will hear from us.

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