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Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and

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Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the newarch member of the Patriots Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: Mike Gravel.

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Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

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Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 4: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number

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Speaker 4: one in our hearts at least, Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 5: Good to be home. Good to see you guys.

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Speaker 5: How you doing doing all right?

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, yeah, it was a tough game down there

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Speaker 4: in Miami, and you know, we just got out played

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Speaker 4: out coach, and we just have to continue to get better,

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Speaker 4: you know, you take that game away. The last four

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Speaker 4: we felt pretty good about, you know, where we were

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Speaker 4: trending and this hopefully is just a hiccup and get

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Speaker 3: I don't know what word you would use. We were

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Speaker 3: using sloppy earlier. You know, do you feel like this

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Speaker 5: Is definitely when you take that game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a sloppy game, and it starts with

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Speaker 4: the porries and look the posting that penalties you can

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Speaker 4: the operational penalties and the lack of focus that that

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Speaker 4: really frustrate me and I know frustrate the team.

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Speaker 5: Girod. We talked about this every week.

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Speaker 2: It's like you said, it's those penalties that you have

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Speaker 2: the false thoughts and it's continuing. When do you get

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Speaker 2: to a point and I know it's probably difficult based

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Speaker 2: on personnel when guys do start messing up where they

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Speaker 2: got to be concerned about their asses being on the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's the hard part, you know, as

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Speaker 4: these are the things that we're not going to do.

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Speaker 4: It depends on the position group that you even look

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Speaker 4: at and whether we have depth at that spot or not.

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Speaker 4: We don't have depth at that spot. That definitely goes

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Speaker 5: All the players.

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Speaker 3: So depth at that spot.

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Speaker 4: That I'm just using just general positions, well, I.

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Speaker 3: Would I would use it like Venarian Low, like somebody

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Speaker 3: that game and certainly costly. When it comes to where

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's part of the conversation not only now, but

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Speaker 4: also you know in the offseason where we are where

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Speaker 6: We've been talking about already this morning about your comments

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Speaker 6: How do you make sure to up that as the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always said in the media even when I

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Speaker 4: always said that, and if we would have won the game,

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Speaker 4: it looks like a compliment. We lose the game now

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Speaker 4: it looks like a slap in the face. But if

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Speaker 7: There was a report this morning that as Drake May

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Speaker 4: I didn't get that vibe in the locker room. When

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Speaker 5: He smiles all the time.

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Speaker 4: Look, we're disappointed, we're all pissed off, and we all

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Speaker 6: The report was from Mark Daniels, though, and it was

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Speaker 6: a few people have come out saying that while Drake

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Speaker 6: the offensive side of the locker room, a lot of

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Speaker 5: I don't think we've given up on the season.

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Speaker 4: I would say, you know, the one I guess positive

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Speaker 4: the footlight. We have to clean that stuff up. To

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Speaker 4: we can't. It's hard to come back from a performance

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Drake, your thoughts on his game yesterday.

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Speaker 5: I thought he did some good things.

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Speaker 4: I was able to extend plays, but again, like the

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Speaker 2: Are there some things because I know you said, like

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Speaker 2: it's up to them. But are there some things that

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Speaker 2: you looked at this game and go, you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: it's tough because they also got Tyreek killed. Maybe play

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Speaker 2: back and you watch the film that he said, all right,

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Speaker 2: maybe we could have did differently schematically as the game

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you always have to go back when

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Speaker 4: you watch the film, and you know, when lose or draw,

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Speaker 4: you always go back and reflect like what we could

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Speaker 3: Girod.

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Speaker 7: There was a report last week that Marcus Jones texted

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Speaker 7: Alex Van Pelt to let him know that he could

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Speaker 7: play offense. Avp then said that he hadn't seen film

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Speaker 7: of him on offense. I just that's just unconscionable to me.

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Speaker 7: How How was that not something that entering the season

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Speaker 7: of a playmaker Marcus has been in the punt game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, coming into the season, our main focus was first

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Speaker 4: we you know, to spend so much time on special

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Speaker 4: one of our best players defensively and in the special

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Speaker 4: team realm, and look, we've talked about it before.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure where you want to go from now.

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Speaker 3: Well, he said on this radio station on Friday when

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Speaker 3: wrong guy was being asked. So does that mean you're

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Speaker 3: does that mean you're the guy that needs to be

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Speaker 4: We've had those conversations as a full staff, and again,

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Speaker 4: Marcus is our starting corner and one of the best

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Speaker 6: You bring up the fact that the defense gave up

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Speaker 6: twenty four points in the second, but then this is

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Speaker 6: the second half as a whole, you guys only give

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Speaker 6: up ten. What were the adjustments at halftime to make

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Speaker 4: It just goes back to just execution and you know,

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Speaker 4: seeing the full picture. They hit us with a lot

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Speaker 4: most disappointing thing for me overall defensively, it was just

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Speaker 4: a communication. It has nothing to do with the first level.

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Speaker 4: It's the second and third level who have to take

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Speaker 5: And we just didn't do that, especially in the first half.

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Speaker 2: Now I not now, but I definitely owly you apology

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Speaker 2: because after you know, watching Washington and Chicago, I might

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Speaker 3: Off of that, just keep that we never get an apology.

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Speaker 5: Yeah you put in my pocket. Yeah, so for me,

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Speaker 5: that was my bad.

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Speaker 2: But off of that, do you feel like you've been

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Speaker 2: given every possible tool to be successful as a head

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: My thing is that we knew, you know, at some

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Speaker 4: think you know, it's easy for us to focus on

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Speaker 4: this season but you know, as the head coach of

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Speaker 4: the team, I have to think about every single game

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Speaker 4: and also you know what we're trying to do going forward,

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Speaker 4: and look, we'll get better, We'll get better.

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Speaker 3: You feel like you should have been given the challenge

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Speaker 3: on the Wattle catch.

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Speaker 5: I do No.

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Speaker 4: I know a lot of people you probably said something

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Speaker 4: about that, which is funny to me. It's a huge difference.

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Speaker 4: It's a fifteen yard difference. You know, there's a fifteen

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Speaker 4: yard difference if it isn't a complete pass while these

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Speaker 4: guys were in field goal right, So I'm not sure where. Uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, people kind of got confused.

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Speaker 3: Well there's you know, there's everybody's a critic.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm fine with that, But

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Speaker 5: I just want to that's I mean, part of my

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Speaker 3: Do you hear all that stuff, the outside noise and

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Speaker 3: stuff like I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't hear that stuff.

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Speaker 4: But sometimes, you know, part of Stacy's job is just

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Speaker 4: to give me a heads up on like what's what

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Speaker 4: are hot topics?

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Speaker 5: And I know that's one of them.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that is, did you think it

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Speaker 3: was a catch? I'm not an expert. I it looked

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Speaker 3: like a cat. It looked like the ball was on

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Speaker 3: the ground. I mean, so it looked like it was

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Speaker 3: like it looked like you. It was a good challenge.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say that to you while you're here.

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Speaker 4: And then when I you're going to say that was

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I've heard that.

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Speaker 4: Look, my thing is I'm always going to do what

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Speaker 4: that better. Absolutely, I'm sure when you first started on

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Speaker 4: Arguable, I'm just saying, like everyone you know, they act

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Speaker 5: But does it upset you?

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Speaker 2: Because Greg and I always go back and forth on this,

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Speaker 5: Plus, however long you've done it.

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Speaker 2: Where you're in your first year is a head coach,

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Speaker 5: Does it not upset you?

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Speaker 5: I'm learning as I go.

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Speaker 4: I never I never looked for slack and I don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, if we would have won the game, I

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Speaker 5: Be happy at the end.

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Speaker 4: We're always trying to get this football team better. That's

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Speaker 5: Until you can smile more, we'll look ahead for you. Absolutely.

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Speaker 7: No, no, no.

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Speaker 2: Guys out there that I would put in my hands.

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Speaker 2: I don't coach, like Gerard said, I don't have anything,

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Speaker 2: but you did one season. Guess what i'mike, But Gerad

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Speaker 6: Were not You were not giving all the tools, was.

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Speaker 2: Not given all the well I I I did not

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Speaker 4: So you know, I hang up the bus.

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Speaker 2: He's rolling over some of the guys, some of the

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Speaker 5: I believe me. I wish I could have removed them.

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Speaker 5: But because it's you and you think I have no.

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Speaker 2: Control of that.

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Speaker 5: Yourroget Did they talk about you on the radio afterwards?

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Speaker 2: They definitely talked about me behind.

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Speaker 7: Behind his back they yes, Jered. I just interesting because

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Speaker 7: I feel like you may be coaching differently if you

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Speaker 7: Is that just a fair blanket statement without calling anybody

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Speaker 3: Okay, Hellman's Mayo Question of the Week. You can purchase

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Speaker 3: This football season, we're in the realm of what if

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Speaker 5: What what, what could be? What might be?

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Speaker 3: So I'll ask this. Rodney Harrison, Vince will Fork, and

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Speaker 3: If you had one vote, who would who would be

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Speaker 4: Vince Well for oh wow, okay, because me he's one

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 7: Is he the only defensive guy to win both in

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Speaker 3: Yea.

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Speaker 4: All the players, players that you guys mentioned there are

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 5: You ask me a stack ranked I'm going Vince, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I like it.

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Speaker 3: What's the week like with the holiday on Thursday?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, we're working, we'll clean this up. The

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Speaker 4: full pats, get ready to go.

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Speaker 3: What do you got going on Thursday?

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Speaker 5: I think it's Thanksgiving? Who's cooking? Not me? You a

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Speaker 5: hammer turkey guy. I'm a turkey guy. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 4: It depends what kind of turkey you're talking about. Not

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like a turkey.

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Speaker 4: Friday turkey or Cajun turkey.

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Speaker 5: All right, great, just woke up.

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Speaker 3: You got me, all right, coach, have a great Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 4: Shis you guys, and I hope you guys have a

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Speaker 4: great Thanksgiving as well. I'm thankful for all of you guys, Seriously,

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Speaker 4: I am. And look, this is gonna make me better.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, and you know you can question everything. It's

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