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Speaker 1: Guys Don Lemon started following me.

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Speaker 2: Huge news.

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Speaker 3: Hey, now finally gampsy media charge flesh Rory. I know

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Speaker 3: you experienced a real right of pastes. Recently you went

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Speaker 3: to Burning Man. That's correct. How was Burning Man?

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Speaker 1: It was incredible. I give it four stars. I'd give

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Speaker 1: it more stars if we were allowed to five six. However,

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Speaker 1: many are available. Loved it more stars than seal teams.

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Speaker 1: I would give it more stars than seal teams that

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Speaker 1: are out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you loved it, so I felt like in honor

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Speaker 3: of your experience, as you were changed.

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Speaker 1: By it, I think, yeah, fully so.

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Speaker 3: We think of festivals as these wonderful carnivals for letting

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Speaker 3: go of our worldly stresses, for gathering with our fellow

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Speaker 3: humans and celebrating the gifts of life. But they can

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Speaker 3: also be chaotic back in holes where people are at

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Speaker 3: their worst. They act poorly, and they make terrible choices. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: which makes for some very good stories. And you're in

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Speaker 3: luck today because I think I found the anti Burning Man. Oh,

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Speaker 3: it's not a free form jazz fest held in the tundra.

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Speaker 3: It's an EDM festival in small town Florida.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 3: Do I have your attention. You've got it. I'm engaged.

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Speaker 3: This story has it all poor decision making, wacky crimes,

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Speaker 3: cops with thick Southern accents, and a little bit of

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Speaker 3: government corruption. All that and more after the break, Hello

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Speaker 3: and welcome back to Crime List, the podcast that celebrates

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Speaker 3: the amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals when it's

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Speaker 3: not dancing in Espiedo and then Nevada Desert. I'm Josh Deem.

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Speaker 1: I'm Roy Scobel, Speedo Dancer Extraordinaire.

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Speaker 3: How many years has Burning Man been a thing? Do

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Speaker 1: I think it's over thirty years, could be thirty, forty,

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Speaker 3: Wild and now it's like a city with however many

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Speaker 1: I think this past year was seventy thousand. Someone said, damn,

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Speaker 1: it's so many people. It's massive, but it's incredible.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you today about a festival that's

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Speaker 3: had a much shorter run despite its organizers' best interests.

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Speaker 3: After the events we'll talk about today, the festival went

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Speaker 3: on an indefinite hiatus thanks to the tenacity of one

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Speaker 3: small Florida municipality. The event in question was called Soul

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Speaker 3: fest as in like Spanish for sun. It was a

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Speaker 3: four day EDM festival. Yeah, so not that long ago.

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Speaker 3: This isn't twenty twenty four. The festival's organizers were planning

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Speaker 3: on three stages. It's all bands that I've literally never

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Speaker 3: heard of before. Let me read you a few res closey, LS,

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Speaker 3: LSD Dream or LS Dream. I think it's probably LS Dream,

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Speaker 3: Bob Moses, Lettuce, Dabbin of the Trees. Any of these

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Speaker 1: Or I do not know any of these artists.

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Speaker 3: Vaguely recall you raving about Lettus's third album, But maybe

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Speaker 3: I just well just talked about Lettus.

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Speaker 1: That's because it changed the game and it deserves that

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Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't only about the music. If this lineup

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Speaker 3: wasn't necessarily your own personal Woodstock ninety nine, there was

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Speaker 3: other stuff on display too, like art installations, murals cool.

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Speaker 3: You could check out spiritual healing workshops like meditation, yoga,

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Speaker 3: breath work. Sounds like a great place to do drugs

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Speaker 3: if I'm being honest, So maybe kind of like Burning

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Speaker 3: Man in that aspect. Soul Fest also advertised endless activities

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Speaker 3: like frickfrack Blackjack, Sonic Portal, and body marbling also potentially

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Speaker 3: things that could be a Burning Man in my mind. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what any of these things are. Do you?

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Speaker 3: with the bartering. The Sonic Portal seems to be some

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Speaker 3: body marbling is a temporary artistic technique to create intricate

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Speaker 3: Like, so far, so good, Okay, Florida. I feel like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So naturally, organizers settled on Ponce de le Own, Florida,

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're right, yeah, Festival of Eternal Lights.

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Speaker 3: That's one note number one. Yeah, you missed a real

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifteen thousand, oh my god, per day,

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Speaker 3: So this is small potatoes, ten thousand. Yeah. You might

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Speaker 3: You'll be shocked to hear thrilled about all the hippieippy

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Speaker 3: month before the festival, the Holmes County Board of Commissioners

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Speaker 3: Organizers of the event, concerned citizens and town officials piled

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Speaker 3: So you hate regulation until you realize you need them.

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Speaker 1: Until it affects you. And that's a very standard sort

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Speaker 3: with Rory Skovol. One particularly outspoken attendee was the town sheriff,

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Speaker 3: a man named John Tate. He was concerned about the

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Speaker 3: this way, the minute you get in the hallucinogenic drugs

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and honestly, that doesn't that sounds like

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Speaker 3: The organizers, of course, assured everyone their event did not

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Speaker 3: What could go wrong? So if you're the festival organizer,

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Speaker 3: And we've all seen the Firefest documentary. We know what

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Speaker 1: You go to jail for us, you get slapped it

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Speaker 3: Yeah. God, people are so dumb. I guess that's could

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Speaker 1: People are so dumb.

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Speaker 3: So the organizers, of course, went full speed ahead. Thousands

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Speaker 1: It's like, wow, Josh, you really went off script this time,

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Speaker 3: The new end of our episode Ladies and Jail, and

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Speaker 3: Was that footloose? Is that the plot of fat This.

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Speaker 1: Has very modern day footloose vibes for sure.

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Speaker 3: The sheriff takes LSD and has the time of his life.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon DJ'd all night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, there are a lot of hitches, so

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Speaker 3: some people at a great time. I read several positive

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Speaker 3: was fucking amazing, best sound quality I've ever heard. The

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Speaker 3: Lane has this clip for us.

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Speaker 1: I love a clip, Love a good clip.

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Speaker 4: It's just the part of the way the world works

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Speaker 4: and the universe works. You know, you can't have good

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Speaker 1: And you know what, she's right in just talking about

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Speaker 3: And that was political minute, part two.

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Speaker 1: And that's my second hot tank.

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Speaker 1: Heck of a side mission we had right there that

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Speaker 3: But I was starting to say that cops were everywhere

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Speaker 5: If you will say that we were hunting me, okay,

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Speaker 1: I love some people's misinterpretation of just deciding to make

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Speaker 3: Now? Do you get it now, mister officer, I'll just

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Speaker 3: But the real doozy from that weekend happened in the

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Speaker 1: We've all been down these roads.

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Speaker 3: It was a pretty big chomp. I wouldn't recommend looking

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Speaker 1: At their next town meeting. I love that we're going

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Speaker 3: This is Kylis. On May sixteenth, twenty twenty four, nearly

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Speaker 1: What we've seen first hand out there, Listen, I'm not

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Speaker 1: A voice acting voicy, A potty, a potty voicy.

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Speaker 3: Do the potty voicy? All right, you can do these

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Speaker 3: All these are all the same guy? Yup.

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Speaker 1: No, they're doing drugs. I want to change it up.

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Speaker 1: Love that someone believes there are states without law and

438
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Speaker 1: order compared to Florida. Compared to Florida of all places.

439
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 1: Now we're a little different here. We're a little different here.

440
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: We have lost eight That is literally a global joke.

441
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 1: A global joke, truly a joke.

442
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Speaker 3: All right, so you know you have truly accomplished something

443
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 3: when your behavior is too shameful for Florida. And finally,

444
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 3: back to the sheriff for this all the time, right.

445
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 1: Back in the early years. Yeah, we were risk of

446
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: some folks because it was a different type of rodeo.

447
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 1: It was for people fighting because they got drunk, and

448
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't people openly snorting coke and walking around with

449
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: their furry things hanging.

450
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 3: Out their rear in their furry things, what does he

451
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 3: refering to?

452
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Speaker 1: What drugs did he do and what did he hallucinate

453
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Speaker 1: at the festival.

454
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Speaker 3: So if you didn't catch that at home, the line

455
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 3: was openly storting coke and walking around with furry things

456
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 3: hanging out their rear end, Yeah, what the hell?

457
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Speaker 1: I want to assume people maybe were doing they had tails,

458
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: like they were doing furry dress up type shit, and

459
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: he thought it was, you know, coming out of their butts.

460
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: He thought it people were pooping fur. They don't even

461
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Speaker 1: have laws in other states.

462
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Speaker 3: We're Florida.

463
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Speaker 1: We're a little bit different.

464
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Speaker 3: Oh my god. So the residents were pretty shell shocked too.

465
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Speaker 3: One said, it's the most demonic thing I've ever seen

466
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 3: in our country. This is not economic development, it's satan

467
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 3: and he's trying to come into our county like a flood.

468
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, he was kind of cool with

469
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: people getting drunk and wanting to fight, all good, But

470
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Speaker 1: these people that are just dressing up and dancing, No, sir,

471
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 1: this literally is footloose. Back up to our town and

472
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Speaker 1: enjoy yourself. Okay, do that somewhere else. Yeah, you want

473
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Speaker 1: to get drunk and fight a local citizen, find and good,

474
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 1: But don't come in here with your hallucinogenics and tell

475
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Speaker 1: me you talk to God while you were dancing, okay,

476
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Speaker 1: because that's the devil's work.

477
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Speaker 3: One woman even claimed that someone flashed a school bus.

478
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Speaker 3: I believe that's one.

479
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: Of the horsemen of the apocalypse, right, I mean, look,

480
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: you're gonna get some wild cards. Ten thousand people, you're

481
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Speaker 1: gonna get some wild cards.

482
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Speaker 3: In the end, it was unanimous Soulfest would never ever

483
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Speaker 3: be welcomed back to God's glorious panhandle, at least not

484
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Speaker 3: this cozy corner. Yeah, and the Board of County Commissioners

485
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Speaker 3: promised they would establish ordinances that would regulate large scale

486
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Speaker 3: events like these going forward. Oh the irony.

487
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine how fun future festivals could even

488
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Speaker 1: possibly be with those ordinances.

489
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Speaker 3: County Commissioner Brandam Newsom lived just a mile from Vortec Springs.

490
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Speaker 3: He expressed his concerns as well, saying, I think we

491
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Speaker 3: should give this to RORI too, I enjoyed this can

492
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: be a different Florida man. By the way, remember this

493
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Speaker 3: is County Commissioner Brandon Newsom, so he's maybe a little

494
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 3: bit more uppity than tough guy Sheriff John Tate.

495
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Speaker 1: At about two weeks before when the count of commission

496
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Speaker 1: learned about this event, I started doing some research myself.

497
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: I knew it was something I wanted to make the

498
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Speaker 1: public aware of, and some of the things I saw

499
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Speaker 1: I grew up in my Christian values. You can't compare

500
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Speaker 1: the rodeo to this type of event. Okay, it's apples

501
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: to oranges.

502
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Speaker 3: Why do they keep talking about the rodeo.

503
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Speaker 2: There's an actual rodeo that happens in the.

504
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, rodeo comes up a lot. It's not even a metaphor.

505
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Speaker 1: They're like, look, if you want to bring animals here

506
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Speaker 1: that we can abuse by making them entertain us, that

507
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: is fine, that God gave us that gift. You cannot

508
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Speaker 1: compare the rodeo to this type of event. I mean,

509
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: he's not he's not wrong. You can't compare the Rodeo

510
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Speaker 1: Music Festival.

511
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Speaker 3: You really can't. He's not wrong.

512
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Speaker 2: I agree with him on that one too.

513
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Speaker 1: You're gonna have different food truck vendors at those events

514
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Speaker 1: you just are.

515
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Speaker 3: I mean, one of those things it's people riding horses

516
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: and like trying to tackle angry bulls, and the other

517
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: one is a damn.

518
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Speaker 1: I never in my life have seen people come to

519
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: my town that I grew up in who are mostly

520
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: gluten free and vegan, and we do not welcome you.

521
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Speaker 3: I should point out that this Newsom, this Commissioner Newsom,

522
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: owns one of, if not the only, bail bond company

523
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: in the county. And so before the event, Bail Bonds

524
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: by Brandon Newsom reposted the soul Fest lineup on his

525
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 3: Facebook page with the caption, we welcome you to have

526
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 3: fun and good times, but if you get in a

527
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: tight call, we can get you out before the soap

528
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 3: hits the floor. Do you smell something fishy?

529
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: Rory oh Man dark? That's you know, that's a good

530
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: and honestly, that's fast, because I think if we all

531
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,719
Speaker 1: know anything about getting arrested, they make you shower with

532
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: the other inmates immediately.

533
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Speaker 3: But after the festival it wasn't just townsfolk who were upset.

534
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Speaker 3: People who attended the festival were pissed with how the

535
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Speaker 3: cops treated the crowd and the animosity they felt from

536
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Speaker 3: the town and I think perhaps we've come to relate

537
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 3: to how they might feel. Yeah, that they maybe did

538
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: behave themselves okay, but they were set up to fail,

539
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: and a bunch of people, especially those gobbled up in

540
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: the fifty arrests, spent an uncomfortable time in the Colmes

541
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: County jail until bail was set, which was at the

542
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 3: discretion of the local justice system. Soulfest attendees started chatting online,

543
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: forming an advocacy group called Justice for Soulfest. On Reddit,

544
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: one person pointed out, let's not forget that it's against

545
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: the ethical code law to be part of a police

546
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: force and run a bail's bondsman company. It's explicitly stated.

547
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: Another responded, I've been knee deep in the Florida Statutes

548
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 3: trying to figure this piece out. I plan on filing

549
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: ethics violation against the commissioner and want to use the

550
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 3: correct language. Is it that the commissioner helps plan the

551
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: budget for the Sheriff's office and then the more people

552
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 3: they arrest, the more money he gets, thus using his

553
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 3: office for personal gain. Am I on the right path here? Yeah?

554
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 3: That was in May of twenty twenty four, but good

555
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: things to time. In June of twenty twenty five, just

556
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 3: over a year later, this doozy of a headline hit

557
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: the local news. Holmes County commissioner facing two felony charges.

558
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: Oh it's interesting who the criminals actually are. And just

559
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: think if he would have just done a little bit

560
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: of molly and gone dancing, he would have had a

561
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: whole other path in his life. He would have been

562
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: a good person. Love would have opened some doors in

563
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Speaker 1: his mind.

564
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Speaker 3: I can't even go.

565
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: I can't.

566
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Speaker 3: I can't, Josh, I can't. I cannot stress. Instead, he

567
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: saw footloose as a kid, and it put him on

568
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: a trajector and he was like, I like John Lithgow, Right,

569
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: I must stop all Kevin Bacons for the rest of time. Yeah,

570
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 3: that's right. Our old friend Brandon Newsom, the Holmes County Commissioner,

571
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 3: was charged with two felonies related to his bail bond business.

572
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: According to documents filed with the state, Newsom allowed unlicensed

573
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: individuals to accept money on behalf of his bail bond business,

574
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: which is illegal. What's more, for a period of time,

575
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: Newsom also worked as a sheriff's deputy, all running his

576
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: bail bond business, which is very illegal. Yeah, the icing

577
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: on the cake. Governor Ron DeSantis signed a executive order

578
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 3: immediately suspending Brandon Newsom from his seat on the Holmes

579
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: County Commission. Two weeks later, the Florida Department of Financial

580
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: Services officially suspended his bail bond agent's license.

581
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Speaker 1: That's interesting because he just would have thought they would

582
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: have been on his side and been like, you can

583
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: do whatever you want, zero accountability, and.

584
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: I think they were until it gets into the media

585
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: and then they're like, oh, then oh we gotta do something.

586
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: That was one bad egg or one bad apple? What's

587
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: the first? It's one bad apple, I believe this was.

588
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: That's apples and eggs. You can't compare them. It's apples

589
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: to eggs.

590
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: To quote serff Tate.

591
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Speaker 1: Guys, look when it comes to RuPaul's drag race and rodeos,

592
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: you just cannot compare the two. It's apples to eggs.

593
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Speaker 3: By the way, Newsom pled not guilty, of course, to

594
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: both charges. He set to appear in Holmes County Court

595
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: this fall. He also owns Holmes County Court. We should

596
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 3: know it. We should know he owns it, and all

597
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: the employees there he worked for him. I should say that.

598
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: I don't know for sure if his charges are a

599
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: direct result of the complaints filed by a soulfest attend

600
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: but it seems pretty likely yeah, or at least that

601
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: the attention caused by the festival and the anger by

602
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: those well meaning shroom takers and body painters at a minimum,

603
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: surely did not help his cause. Yeah, that's right. So

604
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: what are the lessons to be learned here? What do

605
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: you think? One?

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00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: Just common sense, don't go to a music festival in

607
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: a small southern town if it's if it's em I mean,

608
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: sure there's probably certain music you could assume it's going

609
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: to be welcomed and supported. But also, yeah, you got

610
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: to kind of I would just know, like, oh, this

611
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: is probably going to be a nightmare, just on your own,

612
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: just assume it's going to be a nightmare.

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00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: I'm just try and avoid Florida period. But I realized

614
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: it's not always possible.

615
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not. It's not always possible.

616
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: Also, if I'm organizing a festival, I might think twice

617
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: before hosting at Florida. Yeah, after all, a very special

618
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 3: place with high moral standards, as we see every year

619
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Speaker 3: during spring break.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Or do it in Orlando where it's kind of expected.

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00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: Or Fort Lauderdale, Yeah, Tampa. A lot of other options

623
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: than punce daily on. On the other side, I would say,

624
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: don't bite the cops.

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00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: If I have one one critique of the festival goers,

626
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: maybe don't bite cops.

627
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: We put the cart before the horse, because that we

628
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: should have. That should be our number one thing. Don't

629
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: bite the cup, but no, we got into how much Florida,

630
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: but it bugs us.

631
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Speaker 3: I would also add don't do PCP and anything, but

632
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: also PCPLSD kind of mean to mushrooms at the same time.

633
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, sparse it out. It's a it's a

634
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: four day festival.

635
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: And for the love of God, do not climb into

636
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: the belly of robot DJ stand unless you're prepared to

637
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: scrap yep. Is all this making nostalgic for burning Man?

638
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: I just miss it so much every second.

639
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: After the break. Our final segment a festival related quizt

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Speaker 3: perhaps we shall see seems likely? Hello and welcome back

641
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: to Crime List, a safe space for robot DJs and

642
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: bail bondsman. As long as they play.

643
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: By the rules, It's now time for Lane's games. Hell yeah, Plaine.

644
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: So when researching this episode, I realized I knew very

645
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: little about Ray of Culture, so I wanted to test

646
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: your knowledge. Oh, I love this, and I also wanted

647
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: to set Rory up for a win. So Josh, get ready.

648
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: I feel like he won last one because he was

649
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: described as excellent.

650
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: Josh got Josh, you're living in the past. Okay, you

651
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: got to let these things go. We have to move forward.

652
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, you're right. You're right. I'm not going

653
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: to dwell. Let's move on. Yeah, today is a new day.

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Speaker 2: Have you been to any music festivals, Josh, you square?

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Speaker 3: I did. I went to one in Montreal.

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Speaker 1: Just the summer. When'd you go at the jazz festival?

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Speaker 3: No, it was Oceega. It's like a It's kind of

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Speaker 3: Canada's Lllapalooza. I took my kids. They really wanted to

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Speaker 3: see Tyler the Creator. Oh yeah, who was I have

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Speaker 3: to say, awesome. I love that.

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Speaker 1: That's great.

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Speaker 2: Cool. Okay, so maybe maybe you'll know somebody is all right,

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Speaker 2: First one, tell me what these mean. B to B, back.

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Speaker 3: To back, business to business.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, Roy's a little closer. It's two or more

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00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: DJs playing a set together. And also, this is what

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Speaker 2: I gathered from people online. This is I'm sure these

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Speaker 2: definitions are fluid.

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Speaker 1: So also, I uh, this is all par for the

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Speaker 1: course for me. I don't usually get Rory was right.

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Speaker 1: I usually get y is closer to the.

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Speaker 3: To the thing.

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Speaker 2: All right, how about flow arts.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be light a light show. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: but it's gonna be light based entertainment.

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Speaker 3: It's the type of dancing.

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Speaker 2: I think Rory is more right par for the course.

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Speaker 1: Rory's closer.

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Speaker 2: It is dance performance that uses led lights. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Probably, Wait, we were both right. Wait it's a dance performance.

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Speaker 2: Dancing slash performance.

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Speaker 3: You just I think we're both right.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I think if you combine our answers, we were we were.

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Speaker 1: If you combine our answers, we both get half a point.

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Speaker 2: Okay. How about candy K A and d I drugs drugs,

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Speaker 2: drug rugs, yummy, yummy drugs. No, that's not what sorry, guys,

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Speaker 2: it's stretchy, colorful bracelets. Made from beads that often say

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Speaker 2: words or phrases. They are made by ravers to give

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Speaker 2: to other ravers at the event.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're actually wrong, because my drug is jewelry. My

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Speaker 1: drug choice is jewelry. And that's what I meant when

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Speaker 1: I said drugs. I feel like it's also drugs. It could,

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Speaker 1: but also it's it's the bracelets that you eat and

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Speaker 1: you get high.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean could be. I did watch a vlog

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Speaker 2: of some girl who went to Soulfest and she said

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Speaker 2: she was making candy, and now I understand it that

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Speaker 2: she's making bracelets.

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Speaker 1: All right, okay, all right, plur p l you are

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Speaker 1: I know this?

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Speaker 3: Do you really?

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Speaker 1: I've heard this and asked about it and learned it

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Speaker 1: and then didn't retain it. Plur I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Like so many things at school.

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00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: It stands for something that's at but that actually doesn't help.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a hint, like it reminds people how

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Speaker 2: to treat each other at raves and vestibals.

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Speaker 3: Oh, positive loving. I can't think.

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Speaker 2: Unconditional respect together, You got it right, Peace, love, unity

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Speaker 2: and respect. Okay, how about a side quest.

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Speaker 1: When the drug kicks in and you think it'd be

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00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: fun to get to the merch table early, and then

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00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: on your way to the merch table, let me finish.

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00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: And then on your way to the merch table, you'd

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Speaker 1: make a bathroom stop, which is near the refreshments, and

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Speaker 1: you get you get something. I don't know, I actually

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say, when you're on one drug and

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Speaker 3: you take a different drug a second drug, rory.

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Speaker 2: Is more correct. It is when you leave the group

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Speaker 2: to go off on your own.

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Speaker 3: All right, Wow, he's kind of under I love it.

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Speaker 1: All of my answers that are correct are technically gray.

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00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: You don't really know.

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00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: A case could be made that he's correct.

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00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: Is stepping in the right direction?

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Speaker 2: All right? What about the wook flu?

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00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's got to be a dance.

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00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: The wook flu is covid. It's actually covid.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: Then in the fish culture they call people wookies. But

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Speaker 1: that's not rage culture. Some people are labeled that way.

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00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: Oh, I got to guess it's what Hans Solo called

735
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: a hangover.

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Speaker 2: No, I will say.

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Speaker 3: I mean Roy's pointing at the camera. I feel like

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Speaker 3: that means I won.

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Speaker 1: I honestly was like, that's a great.

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Speaker 2: Guess a wook is someone who is like free spirited

741
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: and laid back and really into the festival lifestyle. And

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00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: when you have the wook flu, that means you get

743
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: sick after a ray of or a festival.

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00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 3: Uh oh, hangover. So I was close. Also, it is

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00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: what Hans Solo would call a hangover. I feel like

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Speaker 3: it may not be what he actually does, but he would.

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Speaker 1: Josh is putting theoretical answers together and they're pretty incredible.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate the effort in the Star Wars universe.

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Speaker 2: This is not a Star Wars quiz, however.

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00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. I mean that bar that they go

751
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: to jazz space music's not bad. I mean it was ravy, right,

752
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: I had elements of a rave.

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00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm with.

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00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: You all right.

755
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: A ground score? What's a ground score?

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00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: You found something? You found a pill on the ground. Drugs,

757
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: more drugs, eat that ship five second rule, Yep, exactly.

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00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: Yes, it's something you find on the ground, usually drugs,

759
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 2: but sometimes refers to small items like a bean sprout

760
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: clip or tiny glass bone figurines.

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00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: I bet that's not as fun as drugs. I found

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Speaker 3: some mali. I found a tiny bean sprout clip.

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00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: I found a nerd from a nerd from a pack

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00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: of nerds. Someone dropped one nerd.

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00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: Our scores are different And finally, caking. What is caking?

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm not an idiot, and I know it

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00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: hasn't doesn't have anything to do with baking. I'm not

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00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: fucking stupid. But doing edibles that you baked, I know that.

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Speaker 3: I just said.

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00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: Look, I know I put up my own walls right

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00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: before I gave the answer that goes against those barriers.

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00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: But well, I guess everything would be an edible really

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00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 1: in a way.

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00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: But when you think about that, said that was deep caking.

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00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: I actually I don't know.

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00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say body paint.

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00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 2: Neither of you are right. It is when Steve Aogi

779
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: throws a cake in your face during his set.

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Speaker 1: I would have never guessed that. But I've heard of that.

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00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah you have?

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00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that being serious?

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00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: Yes, I have heard of it, and I think I've

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00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: seen it. I think I've seen a clip of him

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00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: doing it. It's like a known thing that he does.

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00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Smash Town, USA. I think that actually would

787
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 1: be fun.

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00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: I think it would be fun too.

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00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: Oh, he's got a pretty pretty incredible aim. Yeah, no way,

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00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: he hits this target. No way, he hits this target.

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00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: What No, I'm I'm impressed by that. I support them.

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00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: You gotta search Steve Aoki cake. Well, he's gonna hit

793
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: the kid.

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00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: What the kid loves it?

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00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: His accuracy is.

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00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: I guess when you throw enough cakes you start to

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00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: learn the trajectory of you know, how to throw the

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00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: cake cake physics.

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Speaker 3: I think, I think. On that note, Rory went, oh,

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Speaker 3: he definitely won. He had more that work in the ballpark.

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Speaker 3: Also wrong, just better wrong?

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00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you excel at being wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well, we'll see you guys next week.

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