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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical doubt and so

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Speaker 3: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. There's a

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Speaker 3: few things I wish to do with you today. First,

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Speaker 3: have a little Sandra time, of course, but I want

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Speaker 3: to play some clips from folks that I spoke with

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Speaker 3: this past week. Their stories really moved me. First, it's

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Speaker 3: a beautiful spring day. As I record this. Mom and

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Speaker 3: Chris is outside painting as we speak, so you might

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Speaker 3: hear his ladders banging around a little bit. I'm sitting

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Speaker 3: eating the sunflower seeds that have dropped, and I put

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Speaker 3: beautiful little ruby throated hummingbirds that made a long flight

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Speaker 3: to come back to our home for the summer. You

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Speaker 3: may not know this, but I record Shades of the

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Speaker 3: Afterlife about two weeks before they air live for you.

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Speaker 3: So earlier today, Mom and I were watching TV and

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Speaker 3: and I respect everyone's belief but I have this sneaky

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Speaker 3: suspicion that having the new Pope born in America might

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Speaker 3: get people interested that there is something more whatever you

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Speaker 3: want to call that divine light or God or the universe,

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Speaker 3: that there's something bigger than ourselves, that somehow we're all connected.

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Speaker 3: I grew up spending almost every year of schooling at

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Speaker 3: Catholic school, so seeing this new pope elected, it's got

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Speaker 3: a little nostalgia for me. What else has happened since

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Speaker 3: five days before they said they would. Scott called me said, hey,

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Speaker 3: our book is live and in just a matter of

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Speaker 3: a few hours our book, Conversations with Eric Life, Death

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Speaker 3: the UK, and the Netherlands. So it's been an amazing

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Speaker 3: the book about Scott No It's words about life, death

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Speaker 3: gatherings very uplifting and comforting. After listening to one of

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Speaker 3: I find we human beings get interested in the afterlife

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Speaker 3: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain and joining us now is Bo Williams,

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Speaker 3: I found out about Kira through my friend Roseanne grew Norris,

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Speaker 1: The first time that I thought I was going to die,

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Speaker 1: the playground by one of the kids. I got knocked

430
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Speaker 1: down and I didn't get up. There was just this

431
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: big black period of time. I did eventually wake up

432
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: and I looked and I realized that I was alone.

433
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: But then I went inside and then all of a sudden,

434
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: the headache started. So I had hurt myself really badly.

435
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: I got home and I was screaming, crying. If you

436
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: knew me, I was that person, I would not ever

437
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: scream cry. So my mother said, just go to sleep, Just.

438
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: Go to sleep.

439
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: And then there was a very long period. I felt

440
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: like I live an entire lifetime in darkness. It just

441
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: was so long. But I was conscious and I was

442
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: aware of it, but I was asleep to the outside

443
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: world because now I have a concussion. During that time

444
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: that I experienced that darkness, it was incredibly warm and

445
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: it was incredibly peaceful. So even though my mind couldn't

446
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: wrap itself around any visual stimulation or hearing things or

447
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: any of that stuff, I do believe that I was

448
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: in that space between and connection to the divine, even

449
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: though I couldn't see it. I don't have a fear

450
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: of death. For me dying I definitely fear the loss

451
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: of loved ones, but I do know where they go.

452
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Speaker 1: You just know that I've had six potential times that

453
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Speaker 1: I could have died. But I'll just share a couple

454
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: experience that I had prior to the moment I'm about

455
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: to share. They weren't great. I had severe anxiety. I

456
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: had migraines from my head trauma. I had lots of

457
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: different problems at home and not being seen, not heard,

458
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: feeling just always.

459
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 3: On the edge.

460
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Speaker 1: I self medicated with drugs and alcohol, anything that I

461
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: could find to help me with the anxiety that I felt,

462
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: and then it just compounded and it just everything worse.

463
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Speaker 1: If you turn to drugs or alcohol, you don't have

464
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: just one problem. Now you have two problems. So it's

465
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: a snake eating its tail. I finally got to the

466
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Speaker 1: point where I was like, something has to change in

467
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Speaker 1: my life, and my ex fiance at the time was

468
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Speaker 1: pretty much a raging alcoholic. One night, I made my decision,

469
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Speaker 1: I'm moving on. I did a whole house clearing. I

470
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: was like, I am changing my ways, all right, But

471
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: I had this guy in my life, and I think

472
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Speaker 1: to myself, maybe he'll change as I change, as I

473
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: grow and know. So the night he almost killed me

474
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Speaker 1: was the time that I had my greatest awakening. But

475
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: this felt like a major one for me because it

476
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: changed absolutely everything about who I am fundamentally, without going

477
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: into too much graphic detail. He was blackout drunk. He

478
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: beat me pretty severely, weirdly on my front porch. But

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Speaker 1: what was good about that is that I had a

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Speaker 1: neighbor that witnessed the whole thing. So when we went

481
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: to court, he was there to testify and say, this

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Speaker 1: is what happened. Anyway, I'm laying on the ground. He's

483
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: just repeatedly kicked me in the head. I'm in and

484
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Speaker 1: out of consciousness, and I say, God, here's the deal.

485
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Speaker 1: You either let him kill me now, or I'll spend

486
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Speaker 1: my life in service, whatever way that looks like for

487
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: you and for others. I had this feeling of a

488
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Speaker 1: deep knowing and I sat up. I felt no pain,

489
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: and psychologically and physiologically people say I was in shock,

490
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: but I wasn't in shock. Before the moment that I

491
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Speaker 1: said I give my life in service, it just flowed

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Speaker 1: through me.

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Speaker 3: The feeling.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I could feel it now even just talking

495
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Speaker 1: about the power of that. The true, incredible love, of

496
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: feeling of presence that only comes in that moment of

497
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: pure and total surrender. He sat up, and I went inside,

498
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Speaker 1: and I got the phone and I called nine one

499
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: one and I said, we're having a domestic disturbance, as

500
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: calmly as anybody could ever talk about anything like that.

501
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: And he started screaming at me and headbutted me while

502
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: I was on the phone, and then I just said,

503
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: he just had buttoned me. I think I can drive.

504
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to let him out so he can drive away.

505
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: Like it was just so bizarre and so calm and clear.

506
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Speaker 1: That's when I truly knew that God existed and got

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Speaker 1: in the form of whatever we would call God, not

508
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: necessarily really religious symbolic God, but a truth. From there,

509
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: I learned that I could heal myself and process through things.

510
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: I stopped drinking and smoking and drugging, and I started

511
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: going to a healing center where this lady there who

512
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: was incredible. She was reiki practitioner, master teacher, and she

513
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: taught me how to do regki. And so this was

514
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: almost twenty five years ago. I learned how to self

515
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: heal and put hands on myself in that kind of

516
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: thing deep in my connection with energy, and then from

517
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: there I started channeling and I started medium shipping. I

518
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: understood where they were coming from instead of being scared

519
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: of them, like suddenly my father would appear in the

520
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: mirror in front of me. Along the way, I became

521
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: a hypnotherapist because I wanted the scientific backing of what's

522
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: happening in this energetic translation. So I wanted people to go, oh,

523
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: you're legit. One of the most recent times where I

524
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: felt pretty close to transitioning was I had COVID and

525
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: I was stuck in a hotel. I was quarantined in

526
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: a hotel, and I probably should have been in the hospital.

527
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm not normal, So I'm there and all of a sudden,

528
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Speaker 1: my vision starts to get a little funny, really fuzzy,

529
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Speaker 1: and I was what is going on. I'm looking at

530
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: this white sheet, you know how they are in the hotels.

531
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Speaker 1: Everything is stark white. Look at this white sheet, and

532
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, these patterns start coming up, and

533
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, this is wild and I'm not understanding

534
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: what's going on. So I feel like I'm moving through

535
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: a doorway. So I turn off all the lights in

536
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: my room and I lay down and I look at

537
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: the ceiling and it is an incredible light show, but

538
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: only a part of it is being shown to me

539
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: at one time. It's not like showing me the entire

540
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: vision of it. And I'm looking at all these brilliant colors.

541
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Speaker 1: It's like waves of shapes, and if you've ever studied

542
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: sacred geometry or any of that kind of stuff, it's

543
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: like they're just all crashing in on each other. I

544
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: haven't done drugs in twenty five years, right, but I'm

545
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: in awe. I'm in a complete and utter awe. And

546
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: it's that moment where I'm like, this is death, this

547
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: is what's going to happen. I just knew it. I

548
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: just know it's a knowing, and this feeling of awe

549
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: continues to move over me. It's not necessarily peace, it's

550
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: not necessarily love. It is touching that infinite in a

551
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: way that is undescribable, and I am overwhelmed with the

552
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: truth of it. And then I'm like, this might be it.

553
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: So I called husband Todd, and I said, hey, there's

554
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Speaker 1: some crazy stuff happened to me.

555
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Speaker 4: Right now.

556
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: I think I'm okay, but if I'm not just know

557
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 1: that I love you, and he goes to wake me too,

558
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: get you do af what's going on? So I'm like, no, I'll.

559
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: Let you know.

560
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Just such a funny, weird experience. So then I go

561
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: went to the bathroom and my brain isn't working right

562
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: with what the physical world is doing. So then feel

563
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: or sense just like a portal, like a doorway opening up,

564
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: and I go, no, not without toat not without time,

565
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: and then everything stops, like my vision comes back to normal.

566
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Speaker 1: Everything is back to normal, Everything is fine, And I

567
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: go and I lay down and I go to sleep

568
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: and I'm fine. I text hot and say I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: That was very hard to come back from. I'll be

570
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: honest because feeling and sensing that and touching that moment

571
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: of what I believe is truth of what will happen,

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00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: it was hard to go.

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00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now I gotta go and do the work, and I've

575
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: got to chop wood and carry water, and I've got

576
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: to do the thing, and I have to breathe in

577
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: and out, and I have to make money and live

578
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: and survive and thrive and be happy. When the feeling

579
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: of the most ultimate feeling of happiness already happened. It's

580
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: just so difficult to come back from them. So it

581
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: took me about six months to almost start to feel normal.

582
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: And then after that, what interestingly happened was anytime anybody

583
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: in my life passage, which I have had a few

584
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: since then, I'm like, Oh, they are so happy right now,

585
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: they are so blessed in that moment. Right now, they

586
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: are so at ease right now, they are so loved

587
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: and held right now, they are so in awe right now.

588
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm jealous. I wish I was with them, But I

589
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: also know that it's not yet time. And so that

590
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: thread is that a feeling our sense are knowing that

591
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: this is a way station and we get to be

592
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: with each other for a short time until it's time

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00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: for us to be called home. And that's the most

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00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: beautiful thing I think I've ever experienced in my life.

595
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: There is zero doubt in me whatsoever that the loved

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00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: ones of those who are listening to your program are

597
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: in absolute grace. And to me, it's just a deep knowing.

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00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: It's not just a kind of fanciful, oh they're in

599
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: a better place thing. It's a much deeper and more

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Speaker 1: profound moment that I have with it. And it's hard

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Speaker 1: to tell people about that when they're in the grieving

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00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: process in some ways, because it can feel discounting or

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00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: maybe even diminishing on the burden that they are experiencing

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Speaker 1: the loss they've had. And I would never want that

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Speaker 1: to happen. And in some cases it does the opposite,

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Speaker 1: like it does with me, where it's oh my gosh,

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00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: they're so lucky.

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Speaker 3: They're so lucky, She says. Could you imagine being so

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Speaker 3: at peace with your belief in the afterlife that when

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Speaker 3: somebody passes, you think they're lucky and you know what

611
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 3: it is they're going to Maybe someday that will be

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Speaker 3: real for all of us. Kira spent twenty years as

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Speaker 3: a clinical hypnotherapist, and her and her husband and they're

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Speaker 3: As You Wish Publishing, have published about eighty books. Several

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Speaker 3: are anthologies which they are looking for authors to submit

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Speaker 3: a chapter. She really has made her life about service

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Speaker 3: and making sure people's voices get heard. I enjoyed talking

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Speaker 3: with her, and it was very synchronistic how we met.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take our next break and when we

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Speaker 3: come back, let's brainstorm a little for how we can

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Speaker 3: get this message out in the world and the different

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Speaker 3: reasons to believe in the afterlife, and maybe you'd like

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Speaker 3: to share with me your story for this new upcoming

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Speaker 3: book will be right back. You're listening to Shades of

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Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, a

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Speaker 3: m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain, and as I mentioned in our first

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Speaker 3: segment together, I have been percolating an idea for a

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Speaker 3: comprehensive book of stories about the afterlife, and I'd love

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Speaker 3: your help. Perhaps you're a long time listener or short

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Speaker 3: term listener and you've got some favorite stories let me

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Speaker 3: know what they are, or you yourself have had a

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Speaker 3: sign a near death experience or some interesting experience around

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Speaker 3: the afterlife that you'd like to share. Email me, would

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Speaker 3: you please. Sandra Champlain at gmail dot com is my

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Speaker 3: email address. I have been reviewing the past episodes very slowly,

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Speaker 3: going through each and everyone, what the stories were, what

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Speaker 3: category they were in, and it's a big project. We

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Speaker 3: are well over two hundred episodes plus I have nearly

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Speaker 3: five hundred episodes of We Don't Diet Radio on my

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Speaker 3: YouTube channel, so there's a lot of work ahead for me,

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Speaker 3: but could you imagine. I think it would be a

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Speaker 3: good sized book, broken into the different categories, just loaded

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Speaker 3: with stories and references about all things after life. And

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Speaker 3: I'm talking credible reasons to believe. There's nothing against people

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Speaker 3: that have beliefs and angels, spirit guides, et cetera. Nothing

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Speaker 3: wrong with that, But I'm looking for those clear bits

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Speaker 3: of evidence, those signs from loved ones, those transcommunications, whether

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Speaker 3: by pictures or by electronic voice phenomena, the near death experiences,

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Speaker 3: especially the ones that can be verified deathbed visitors, automatic writing,

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Speaker 3: doctors who have had extraordinary stories or extraordinary experiences. As

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Speaker 3: I'm going through the last forty, that's where I'm up

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Speaker 3: to the last forty. We've talked about things like terminal lucidity,

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Speaker 3: people who are virtually brain dead and then moments before death,

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Speaker 3: they come back to life. They can talk to their

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Speaker 3: loved ones, but they're also seeing across the veil and

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Speaker 3: seeing loved ones in the afterlife. There's such thing as

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Speaker 3: we know trance and physical mediumship, which the world believed

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Speaker 3: in in the turn of the century and before, but

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Speaker 3: with so many frauds that came about this form of

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Speaker 3: mediumship disappeared and evidential mediumship arose. Perhaps you have had

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Speaker 3: an interaction with a medium that gave you such clear

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Speaker 3: information that no one could possibly know. I'd love to

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Speaker 3: hear about it. There are signs and synchronicities from our

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Speaker 3: loved ones that can't be anything other than a clear

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Speaker 3: sign that they exist. There's after death communications of different kinds.

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Speaker 3: There's the spontaneous ones that we've heard about not too

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Speaker 3: long ago. I remember a fellow that I worked with

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Speaker 3: at the races. He came into our dining tent and

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Speaker 3: he told me he had never told another person the story.

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Speaker 3: But when he gets in the zone and he could

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Speaker 3: be working on a car, out of the corner of

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Speaker 3: his eye, he sees his dad and the dog that

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Speaker 3: he had growing up, of course, looking young and healthy

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Speaker 3: and well. And then as soon as his conscious mind

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Speaker 3: kicks in, the vision disappears. And what about doctor Matthew

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Speaker 3: McKay on episode one seventy seven, a psychology professor that

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Speaker 3: never believed any of this, but his own son was

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Speaker 3: murdered and he went looking for answers. Not only did

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Speaker 3: he have one of these induced after death communications, he

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Speaker 3: now communicates with his son through automatic writing. The thing

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Speaker 3: nearest and dearest to my heart right now is I

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Speaker 3: had a session of IADC grief therapy myself and I

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Speaker 3: couldn't believe not only did the grief disappear, but felt

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Speaker 3: that connection with my own dad. And who could forget

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Speaker 3: the great near death experiences where people's lives are transformed.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Tony remember him a lightning strike caused him to

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Speaker 3: die and only to come back and have the skill

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Speaker 3: of a classical pianist. The work of David Kestler. We

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Speaker 3: celebrated on episode one hundred and eighty all the stories

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Speaker 3: of the dying being greed by their deceased parents or spouses,

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Speaker 3: or siblings, or friends or even pets, showing us that

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Speaker 3: even at the end of our life, we leave gracefully

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Speaker 3: and we don't leave alone. Let's not forget episode one

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Speaker 3: eighty four with doctor Janet Pete Alatto talking about dreams.

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Speaker 3: We even get into lucid dreams and what we can

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Speaker 3: do to aid the process of connecting with our loved

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Speaker 3: ones through dreams. Do you remember episode one ninety with

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Speaker 3: the two moms, Carol Morgan and Nicole Clark. Carol Morgan

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Speaker 3: uses a pendulum with letters and numbers and is able

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Speaker 3: to communicate with her son that way. In episode one

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Speaker 3: ninety one, we took a trip to Brazil and it's

703
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Speaker 3: a country that celebrates the afterlife and they're open about it,

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Speaker 3: unlike the rest of the world or most places in

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Speaker 3: the world. We want to believe that the afterlife is real,

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Speaker 3: but we think people in our lives won't accept it,

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Speaker 3: so we keep our mouths shut. The truth is, it's

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Speaker 3: something like ninety percent of the people in the world

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Speaker 3: believe in the afterlife. We just need to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Episode one ninety six, Joshua Lewis brought us the Hope

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Speaker 3: Spirit Box app something we can all use in our

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Speaker 3: phone to try to communicate with our loved ones and

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Speaker 3: hear voices. We've had dads like Mark Ireland, Chris Ryan,

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Speaker 3: Tom Bender, and Moore that are making big differences after

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Speaker 3: the passing of their sons. Chris Ryan, working with Helping

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Speaker 3: Fathers Heal, holds a global weekly meeting for fathers. Helping

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Speaker 3: Fathers Heal is of course, part of Helpingparentsheal dot Org,

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Speaker 3: a group of now over forty thousand members of Shining

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Speaker 3: Light Parents that help each other through grief with a

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Speaker 3: whole bunch of resources, but they're the one organization that

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Speaker 3: believes in the after life. Of course, in this book,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to include some humorous stories because why not

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Speaker 3: have a laugh. I'll have to go back in my records.

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Speaker 3: I know episode two o two. There's some funny things

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Speaker 3: in there from funerals and some other lighthearted stories. And

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Speaker 3: let's not forget pioneers like doctor Elizabeth Cooper Ross in

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Speaker 3: episode two o six. She is the person who first

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Speaker 3: studied and coined the stages of dying, the stages of grief,

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Speaker 3: also the depression, the denial, the bargaining, the anger, the acceptance.

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Speaker 3: She gave all of that up when she got involved

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Speaker 3: with near death experiences and deathbed visions, especially witnessing countless

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Speaker 3: children accurately identifying deceased relatives. How about Ken Ring, who

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Speaker 3: followed on from doctor Raymond Moody's near death experience research

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Speaker 3: and did a study of the experiences of blind people.

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Speaker 3: They've never had vision yet in that moment just after

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Speaker 3: death before returning, they had a three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 3: degree view of everything around them and could give accurate

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Speaker 3: details about things that were still happening here on earth,

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Speaker 3: yet they never had vision. You know, I try to

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Speaker 3: squeeze in my stories whenever I can, So I will

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Speaker 3: share about my electronic voice phenomena recording at that retreat center,

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Speaker 3: just recording raindrops and playing it back. Before going to bed,

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Speaker 3: a voice said good night Sandra with whispers, good night,

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Speaker 3: good night, good night. Great people have studied the afterlife

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Speaker 3: and will continue to. Like doctor Carl Jung, he had

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Speaker 3: a near death experience himself. Of course, there's doctor Mark Pittstick,

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Speaker 3: doctor Raymond Moody, doctor Peter Fenwick. What are the stories

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Speaker 3: you like most? Imagine you held this book in your hands,

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Speaker 3: a digest of all things afterlife, and you can open

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Speaker 3: the page see the table of contents. What would you

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Speaker 3: go to first? I think for me, I would go

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Speaker 3: to deathbed visitations and read some of those stories. I

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Speaker 3: especially like doctor Christopher Kerr, hospice physician who wrote the

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Speaker 3: book Death Is But a Dream. There is so much

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Speaker 3: evidence that we go on, and yes they're compiled into

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Speaker 3: two hundred plus episodes of shades of the Afterlife. But

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Speaker 3: let's get this information to everybody. No matter how much

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Speaker 3: of a skeptic someone would be, they could read a

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Speaker 3: few pages and say this seems too good to be true,

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Speaker 3: But all signs point to the reality of the afterlife,

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Speaker 3: that our consciousness goes on. At the moment we close

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Speaker 3: our eyes here on planet Earth, we open them again

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Speaker 3: in a beautiful place looking similar to Earth. All our

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Speaker 3: loved ones are there, even our past, this feeling of

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Speaker 3: unconditional love, and that we are home now. Of course,

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Speaker 3: being Sandra, there's going to be some words in the

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Speaker 3: book about grief. It's the one thing we all go

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Speaker 3: through as human beings, and we're not trained for it,

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Speaker 3: We're not ready for it. They don't talk about it

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Speaker 3: in schools. So I'd love to give everybody an understanding

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Speaker 3: of why we grieve and what we can do to

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Speaker 3: ease the pain and get to the other side. The

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Speaker 3: other thing, of course, I'm bound to include, is what

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Speaker 3: is the purpose of life? Why are we here? What

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Speaker 3: can we do to have the best time in life?

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Speaker 3: Whether life is an education for the soul? How can

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Speaker 3: we go out and get our money's worth out of life?

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Speaker 3: How can we be more loving, more forgiving, more courageous,

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Speaker 3: being more of service to other people? All those things

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Speaker 3: wrapped into one. I'm getting very excited about this project,

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Speaker 3: but it will be a long labor of love. If

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Speaker 3: I were to take every episode so far, we'd have

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Speaker 3: something like two hundred and forty hours in this book.

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Speaker 3: That's a little long, so I'll keep working on my

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Speaker 3: notes going through all two hundred plus episodes. And if

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Speaker 3: you have a moment, let me know your favorite stories

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Speaker 3: or if you have an experience you'd like to share. Again,

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Speaker 3: Sandra Champlain at gmail dot com. Well, my friend, our

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Speaker 3: time together has come to an end. Please come visit

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Speaker 3: me at We Don't Die dot com. If you don't

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Speaker 3: yet have a copy of my book and you'd like one,

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Speaker 3: just enter your name and your email address at the

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Speaker 3: bottom of the page. There's some other free goodies there

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Speaker 3: for you as well. Come visit me on a free

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Speaker 3: Sunday gathering with medium demonstration included. We have month classes

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Speaker 3: and so much to explore there. So in closing, I'm

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Speaker 3: Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to Shades

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Speaker 3: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 3: AM Paranormal Podcast Network.

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