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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about

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Speaker 1: that high school drama, girl drama girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens forever. We'll take you for a ride

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Speaker 1: in our comic girl Cheering for the right teen drama

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Speaker 1: queens girl fashion, but your tough girl, you could sit

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Speaker 1: with us. Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama,

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Speaker 1: drawn MC, Queen's Drama, Queens Ladies. It's the only boy

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Speaker 1: Honestly true, I can't think of anyone else that had

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Speaker 1: that pleasure. A gentleman. Here he is. We're talking about you, James.

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Speaker 1: What's going on to see you do? See you two?

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Speaker 1: You look great. We were just making the point that

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Speaker 1: that kissed all three of us. Really, m hmm, interesting

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Speaker 1: because Lucas never kissed Hayley. Is there like empirical evidence

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Speaker 1: to back this up? We have a tally showing. Yeah, listen,

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Speaker 1: we've got a fan army. We've watched oh so so

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Speaker 1: many episodes. That's where it is. Yeah, kudos kudos to

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Speaker 1: t y'all as well for for you know, getting this

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Speaker 1: let alone ahead of you. Well, wait, how many times

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Speaker 1: have you seen episodes since you rapped? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: and it's so cool, Like you guys got to go

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00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: on this journey. And I think it's that it's seeing

429
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: that kind of communication and that love between two people.

430
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: That's probably why all the fans are so die hard

431
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 1: because it is inspiring. Like what's crazy about that, though,

432
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: is that it's so easy to do on camera. Well,

433
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: especially oh yeah, you know an actor like you, James,

434
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: or it's somebody that you know, you feel really comfortable with,

435
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: who's honest and good and like you know you can

436
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: connect with. And but it's it's so weird how it's

437
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: so easy to do that on camera and then in

438
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: real life when the stakes are actually high and real

439
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: and your emotions for real, your heart for real is

440
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: on the line, does all the walls go up, everything

441
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: shuts down? And I'm like, oh, I don't know how

442
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: to do that. Never practice that before in my whole life. Yeah,

443
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: suddenly you're like, words are words sound for talking? They're

444
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: just gone. It does really help when you have someone

445
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: else writing the right words for you. Yeah, wouldn't it

446
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: be fun every time you have an argument with your partner,

447
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: you just like, can we call in our writers room room?

448
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: To that end, though, James, we've been doing this show

449
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: and we've said over and over again that this is

450
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: our therapy, Like doing this podcast and looking back at

451
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: this chunk of time and our life has been our therapy.

452
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: But you created your own content, which feels kind of therapeutic.

453
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: As an outside observer the show that you and Stephen created,

454
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: like tell our listeners about that, but also, I mean

455
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: I would love to know if it's been cathartic to

456
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: kind of poke fun and analyze what our experience was

457
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: through a creative process. Yeah, well no, thank you for

458
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: bringing that up, and thank you for the question. I mean,

459
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: it's like the show is called everyone is Doing Great.

460
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: So I love that show. I really g I love it.

461
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: It's so good. Thank you, Joy. Yeah, it's it's been

462
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: it's been a really fun road. UM. And you know,

463
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: it's a it's an independent television show. So we pull

464
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 1: it together with our little filmmaker family and you know,

465
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: our our friends and loved ones are in it, and

466
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: you know, you know, hoping to make it happen. UM.

467
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: And we did the same thing the second season. But

468
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: it's basically about UM. Three actors that were on like

469
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: a Vampire Diaries type show which was like, you know,

470
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: a mega success and UM, and then they come off

471
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: the show and you know, it's it's it's like a

472
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: late coming of age. It's like they were in this

473
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: period of arrested development while they were on this show.

474
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: They weren't really forced to they were really facing the

475
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: real world. And then they come out of the show

476
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: and they're in their thirties and their you know, life

477
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: has not really turned out the way that they thought

478
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: it was going to. Um. And it's about them sort

479
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,719
Speaker 1: of dealing with those things in very very different ways,

480
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: but always being pulled back together um by this like

481
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: shared history, Like they're the only ones that know the

482
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: experience that they went through on that show, and so

483
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: those roots will always be there and will always be

484
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: like pulling them back together. UM. And UM. It's it's

485
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: really raw and and you know, supposed to be funny,

486
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: supposed to make you laugh and feel good, um, at

487
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: the same time, it's like very dry and awkward. Um.

488
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: And it's just meant to just poke fun at all

489
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: those little moments in life that we might feel horrifying

490
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: at the time. Um. But you know when you look

491
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: back at it, you know you might it might be

492
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: a really funny story eventually, right. I mean it is

493
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: so funny for real life, Like what was when you

494
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: left One Tree Hill and you're like, that's it, I'm

495
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: done starting this new chapter, but I gotta make fun

496
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: of this in my new show, Like what was your

497
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: what was your punchline? What was the thing you had

498
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: to hit. Um there was I think it was, Um,

499
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was mostly like

500
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: the for my character, it was the I guess, like

501
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: an expectation that like life's just gonna work out and

502
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: that you know, you can wait for good things to

503
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: come to you. Um, that was something that I sort

504
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: of that was a mindset that I had for a

505
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: while coming out of the show. Was just like, I mean,

506
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: it worked out for nine years, why isn't it. Yeah, Like,

507
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: what's a big deal? What's everybody so worried about? Um?

508
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: You know five years later you're like, Okay, I am bored.

509
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm bored. We got to get something going in.

510
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: That's what you do so great on Everyone is Doing Great,

511
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: Which which I loved is that you took you take

512
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: an experience. It's so singular. There's a very few people

513
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: who have the experience that we all had growing up

514
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: as teenagers in early twenties on a TV show that

515
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: lasted for so long and pacted our young life in

516
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: that way. But you made it relatable. So you're taking

517
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: the same experience. That seems so kind of bizarre that

518
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: almost nobody has had this experience, But when you watch

519
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: the show, you're still getting moments of lessons like what

520
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about in a really fun way where everybody,

521
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: no matter what career you're in, can relate to the

522
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: idea of like, oh, yeah, you just have to like, oh,

523
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: it worked out here, so I guess I just wait

524
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: and then you're like I'm still waiting. Oh wait, I'm

525
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: still waiting. I got to take a bole by the

526
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: horns and get out there. No thanks. That's That's exactly

527
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: what we wanted people to We want people to be

528
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: able to grab onto it, and we wanted it to

529
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: have you know, we wanted to be relatable. We didn't

530
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: want it to be entourage. We wanted it to just

531
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: be a story about like people, which is you know whatever,

532
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: yeah we have because everybody's been asked to do things

533
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: that are embarrassing and I mean, oh my god, that

534
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: scene where Steven has to do that audition used to

535
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: like make out on the floor for an audition, like,

536
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: please tell me that was a real did that really happen? Well?

537
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: And those were the other things that inspired us to

538
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: do it, you know, like there was like a broad

539
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: sort of like meta stuff that was like, oh, this

540
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: is like the emotional reason for doing this. But then

541
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: there was just like the years and years of stories

542
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: that we had from this industry and situations that we

543
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: found ourselves in, and that was one of them that actually,

544
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: like that didn't happen that way to Stephen, but he

545
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: had an experience that was similar in an audition and

546
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: it was just like the greatest story that we ever had,

547
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: And we're like, how is this not on camera somewhere?

548
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: How was somebody not already done this? Like we kind

549
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: of I feel like the show wouldn't have happened if

550
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't for him having that experience. Oh are you

551
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: so scared of our old audition tapes coming to light

552
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: one day? Because I think about auditions like that where

553
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: we would have to pretend there was a monster, or

554
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: we would have oh yeah, or pretend you had a gun,

555
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: oh god, like roll around like a Charlie's Angel. So

556
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: you remember the horror film they did that all took

557
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: place on the ski lift and you had to sit

558
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: in a chair in the audition and like pretend that

559
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: wolves were trying to bite your feet. Because Daniela and

560
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: I were in that audition together, It's just like I

561
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: feel like COLLETTI auditions for that one too, but like

562
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: that sense of absurdity sometimes going to bite us in

563
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: the ass. You guys, it's going to happen. Well, I

564
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: hope it happens to all of us at once, so

565
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: that at least it's like we can all laugh about it.

566
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: That would be so how committed we are. I think

567
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: that's why the show and what you guys have done

568
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: with it, it it gives me that feeling of like like

569
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how to verbalize that, but when you

570
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: just go oh god, and it feels funny but also borrowed,

571
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: it's just so intense, yes, exactly where you're like, what

572
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: is happening to me? Because it is there's so much

573
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: about what we do that is ridiculous and that's universal.

574
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 1: And a friend of mine is a writer and she

575
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: wrote a really specific TV show and she said the

576
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: best advice she ever got from her mentor is that

577
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: the unique is universal. You guys have taken this very

578
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: unique situation that very few people understand, and like the

579
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: nine years we all spent together, and then you've put

580
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: this comedic lens on it, and it does I don't

581
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: know why. It just feels so universal. Everybody I know

582
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: who's watched the show, it's like, oh man, that one

583
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: got me or did you see that episode, Like, oh

584
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: that stressed me out, Like it's just it's so funny.

585
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: So that's awesome. That's I mean, that's exactly where we

586
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 1: were going for um I think, I don't know. I mean,

587
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: you you will have creative ventures sometimes, like you're just

588
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: you're inspired to go into something and you don't always

589
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: know exactly what it is, but you just know that

590
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: you're like you're just compelled to do it. And I

591
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: guess because it's like trying, something's trying to come out

592
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: of you. And by the time we got to the

593
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: end of that first season, we had watched the episodes

594
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. You know, it was

595
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: always we were always really concerned by the fact that

596
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: it was industry adjacent or whatever, and we just we

597
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 1: didn't want it to feel too inside baseball. Yeah. I

598
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: remember after when the show is about to come out,

599
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: being like I guess, just realizing like, Okay, we just

600
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: made a show about life, Like we just made a

601
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: show about starting over at the end of the day,

602
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: and hopefully people will see that. So um so I'm

603
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: really yeah, thank you guys. How many of those did

604
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: you direct? Are you are you guys taking turns directing that?

605
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: Or are you on deck the whole time? The first

606
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: season it was Steven and I UM I directed most

607
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: of the episodes and then Stephen directed one, and then

608
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: this season we really handed the like Stevens directing UM,

609
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: one of our producers, Michelle Lange, is directing, and other

610
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: producer Johnny Durango is directing. Took my hands off the

611
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: wheel there, because you know, acting and directing at the

612
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: same time is always a challenge, but with this we

613
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: do a lot of it. It's it's kind of improv based.

614
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: We we do the show based on like really detailed outlines,

615
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: so we have a script, but it's not really script

616
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: format UM and I think that we try to just

617
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: encourage actors to like it's like you're reading the page

618
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: of a novel and you're like, Okay, here's all the

619
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: information that I'm getting across. But really it's like, I

620
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: gotta see the story in my head, and I gotta

621
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: I gotta tell the story the way that I would so,

622
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, James, that's like the perfect hybrid of

623
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Laguna Beach in One Tree Hill Kids outlines and be like, go,

624
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, Stephen,

625
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, we we had that discussion while um, you know,

626
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: we were sort of like coming up with the format

627
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: and this is not a totally original format, you know,

628
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: like there are other filmmakers that do this and do

629
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: it really really well. Um, and we were inspired by them.

630
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: But but you know, I remember Stephen saying, you know

631
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: early on, like this is like not far off from

632
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: what Moving to Beach was, you know, like and uh

633
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: so yeah. And the actually our our director of photograph

634
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: for the second season, Gareth Cox. He's a director of

635
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: photography for this show called CSA Key on MTV with

636
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: My husband is obsessed obsessed. Oh I love it. Yeah,

637
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: that's the one, right, It's about its occasially lauda Beach

638
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: in the Four Keys. Dude. Yeah. J d M is

639
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: a big fan of CRS. I love how much he

640
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: loves trashy reality. God, I love it so much. And

641
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: you believe he's never watched ours, um, James, speaking of

642
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: funny storylines, obviously, we make a lot of fun of

643
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: ourselves on this podcast, and your character has been through

644
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: some wild adventures, whether you're doing shit with Chris Keller,

645
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: or you're getting beat up by Rick Fox, like well

646
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: the Russian Mafia. Yeah, Like what were the storylines for

647
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: you that you look back on now as a grown

648
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: up and you're just like, oh god, Yeah, I mean

649
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: is there anything you ever went in and you were

650
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: like really really like his anyway we can? Yeah, I

651
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: mean there was a couple, um, you know, even even

652
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: some of the wilder stuff we did, you know, like

653
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: the Rick Fox of it all, or like you know,

654
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: being you know, held hostage by serbian gangsters. Like there

655
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: was always something fun to find in there, and and

656
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: honestly it always tested me the most. Like I found

657
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: it much easier to you know, you know, play um,

658
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, an emotional scene with you Joy than I did,

659
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, having to get emotional and scenes like that

660
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: because I'd never done like an action movie. I'd never

661
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: done a horror movie or anything like that. Like I'd

662
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: never conjured up those emotions from a situation that you

663
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: know is absurd on set, right. Yeah, you gotta like

664
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: your challenge is to really make that real. Like it's

665
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: it's not hard to make something real with you, Joy,

666
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: but it's hard to make something real, you know, with

667
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: with other situations, and so I always felt like going

668
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: into those I was nervous, but at the same time

669
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Speaker 1: it was like, all right, how are we gonna how

670
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: are we gonna do this? Like how we like we

671
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 1: got to make the audience believe this and so yeah,

672
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: well and for our friends at home. One of the

673
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: things when you reference why some of that stuff can

674
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: be hard, you know, to your point, if you guys

675
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: are shooting a scene as Nathan and Haley, you're in

676
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: close quarters, you're looking at each other, you get to

677
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: react to what she's doing. She gets to react to

678
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: what you're doing. One of the things people don't know about,

679
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, the Rick Fox storyline, for example, is they'll

680
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: do the crash, but they only do the crash in

681
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: the wide shots because there's one vehicle, and so you'll

682
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: be on camera and you're close up, and they'll be

683
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: like someone's running by with a tennis ball on a

684
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: c stand for your eyeline, and then they go and boom,

685
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to react like you're watching your wife

686
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: get hit by a car, but it's there's nothing happening,

687
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: and it's so insane. So the challenge to create realism

688
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: you know how big it's wild? Yeah, seriously, Yeah, that's

689
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: that's that's the biggest challenge I feel like. And then

690
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, like like to use that as an example,

691
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: you have the crash which you're supposed to react to, um,

692
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: and then they go around and they cover every single

693
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: actor who's there reacting to it. And then two hours later,

694
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: you're still reacting to the crash that happened, you know,

695
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: earlier in the day or whatever it could be, six

696
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: hours later and you're like, I'm still supposed to be

697
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: up or you have no idea what the crash is

698
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: going to look like. They just sort of give you

699
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: an idea of it. But then you see the stunt

700
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: that they do later and you're like, I would have

701
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: had a way bigger reaction, you know. Smaller reaction, yeah,

702
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: always great when they shoot the action lasts, so they're like, Okay,

703
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: react to the thing that's going to happen, and you're like,

704
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: but I haven't seen it yet. He just had to

705
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: make it up, James. We solicited for questions for this episode,

706
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: and we solicit for questions for all of our guests. UM,

707
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: We've never had an avalanche like this before. So we're

708
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: going to do some rapid fire fan questions. Well boys

709
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: should idea. Yeah, let's feel like you just blow through them.

710
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: But I want to start I peruse these. I have

711
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 1: a question that I need to ask. Um. Okay, listen,

712
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: you always had strong little brother energy for me because

713
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: I met you as like a child. But Marissa would

714
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: love to know about your thoughts on your hair in

715
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: season four because when you showed up with long hair,

716
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: that was the first time I was like, oh my god,

717
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: James is like hot, James is like dangerous, excellent hair,

718
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: dangerous lafferty. I have a note here, hair question mark. Well, no,

719
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: no question mark, no question mark, hair exclamation point. Yeah,

720
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: loved it. Hey, is that what we're calling this episode?

721
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Speaker 1: Hair exclamation boy? Yeah? It was like suddenly, I don't

722
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: know what that was, you know what, you know what

723
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was I think they were

724
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: growing my hair. I was growing my hair out in

725
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: anticipation for season five. Yeah, when they were going to

726
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: flash back and forth between when Um, I had like,

727
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: what was it they needed to show, you know, they

728
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: needed to show that there was like a difference in

729
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: the timelines and so oh and I was like, I

730
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: had really long hair because I had fallen. You know,

731
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: I was like in a wheelchair and I was not

732
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: taking care of myself, and so yeah, they decided that

733
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: it was going to be easier. Oh god, they didn't

734
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: want to wig me because the wig would look fake.

735
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: So they needed me to grow my hair out long

736
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Speaker 1: enough so that they could attach extensions to it. Um.

737
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: And then that way they could go back and forth

738
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: between haftensions. Yeah, I had extensions, and then they and

739
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: then they then they cut my hair, my actual head

740
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: hair into tiny, tiny little pieces um, and they put

741
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: in a little tray with some glue on it, and

742
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: then they took a paintbrush and then they paint did

743
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: the glue hair on my face. That's how I had

744
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: that big beard. It was awesome. That's that's so I

745
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: was like there like three three hours early every day. Wow,

746
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: they have the extensions and then get that glue on

747
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: the face and then why didn't you just grow? Oh?

748
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: Because they had to go back and forth, so they couldn't. Yeah,

749
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: and I also couldn't grow a beard. Oh you couldn't.

750
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: I mean I could maybe grow like it wouldn't have

751
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: been a fun beard to TV, for sure, that's so funny.

752
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: It was a hit. Okay, if you could have chosen

753
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: to direct the pilot or the finale, which one the pilot?

754
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: I guess? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think the

755
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: pilot because um yeah, I don't know. Okay, it's a

756
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: rapid fire. You don't have to explain yourself. Yeah yeah, okay,

757
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: Oh sorry knocking them out. Were there any storylines that

758
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: the writers pitched to you for Nathan that then didn't

759
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: wind up happening but you wished you'd gotten to film? No,

760
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so. There was talk of Nathan like

761
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: making it to the NBA, but I don't think the

762
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: NBA would really, Um, let us do what we needed

763
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: to do to make that storyline happen. That would have

764
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: been cool, but but what it didn't happen, so so

765
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: I guess maybe that maybe that can see. Yeah, did

766
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: you keep anything from set? I kept some. I kept

767
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: the signature sneakers that Nathan had in season at the

768
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: beginning of season five when he was like when it

769
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: was all good, he got his contract and his shoe

770
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: deal and stuff, So I yeah, I kept what other

771
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: character besides Nathan? Would you want to play Whitey? Oh?

772
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: I was watching the episode last night. I was like, God,

773
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: I love this guy like I love Barry and I

774
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: love Whitey. Did you ever go drinking with Whitey? I did? Yeah, Yeah,

775
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: a couple of times. We didn't run in the same circles,

776
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: but I definitely, I definitely saw him out. Yeah. Sure,

777
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: Oh that's so fun. Okay, that's a perfect segue into

778
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: Will's question. Whitey was an important coach and figure in

779
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: Nathan's life. Who has been a similar coach or figure

780
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: in your life? Oh? Good question. Yeah, I guess. Uh,

781
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: you know, my acting coach Andrew mcgarrian was a big,

782
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: you know influence on me and especially in as a

783
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: young person in this industry. Just um taught me a

784
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: lot of m foundational stuff about you know, acting, but

785
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: also about how to be a professional. So yeah, hmm, yeah,

786
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Well he nailed that. Yeah. I mean, for sure, James,

787
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: everyone everyone in our industry working at the age that

788
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: we were working at stop in one way or another.

789
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: And you are one of the few unicorns that never

790
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: do you never? No, that's not true. I mean every

791
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: I was young, you know, like I was not. I

792
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: was certainly certainly not perfect. But um, but I had.

793
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: I definitely had. You know, you always had a good

794
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: head on your shoulders. Yeah, you know, good family. I've

795
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: been really, really fortunate in life, so I think that

796
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: that helped, and you know, people like Andrew helped, and

797
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, there was good influences on the show as well.

798
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: Like you know, um, I'll never forget Kriig Shefferd telling

799
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: me to save my money. But that all stuck with me,

800
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: It really did. He had a great explanation for it.

801
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: And he didn't tell me in like a condescending way

802
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: or in a way that you know, made me feel

803
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: like I didn't know anything. He was. He was genuinely

804
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: trying to help me. Um, And at the time you

805
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 1: probably thought, like, this kid's never gonna hear a word

806
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I heard him like loud and clear.

807
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: So getting that advice from Craig from this perspective that

808
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: you're in today, we have a last kind of maybe

809
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: a perfect last fan question is what advice would you

810
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: give Nathan today about life? Oh? Man, I feel like

811
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I should be getting advice from Nathan, not giving it

812
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: to him, or give advice to a young version of

813
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: yourself even right right, It's like Yeah, anything I could

814
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: say to Nathan. I feel like he already kind of knew,

815
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: but I feel like I would say or maybe remind him,

816
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: or remind anyone that, like anything, anything worth doing is

817
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: going to probably be pretty hard, and it's going to

818
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: take a lot of time and dedication, but you can

819
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: definitely do it um and just try to just just

820
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: try not to lose yourself along the way, you know,

821
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: just no matter how hard it gets, and no matter

822
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: how you know, I guess how much it feels like

823
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: you're not going to get there sometimes, just try to

824
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: be kind to yourself and be kind to others and

825
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: and and you'll you'll get there. Like it'll happen, and

826
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: it might happen in a way that you don't expect,

827
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: but it's going to happen. Well, James, it's like the

828
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: perfect advicement for this episode. Hey, listen, we're so excited

829
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: that we have you because everyone's been asked few for

830
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: years now. Yes, we just watched for eighteen. Would you

831
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: stay and do a recap episode off eighteen with us? Oh?

832
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely perfect, perfect, Let's rock it out, all right, kids,

833
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week with four eighteen. Hey, thanks

834
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,360
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835
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,080
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836
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