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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace after urgent warnings issued about

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Speaker 1: a sextortion gang targeting US teens, a major break in

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Speaker 1: the case. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. In the last hours. Two

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Speaker 1: members of a sextortion gang sentenced to hard time behind bars.

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Speaker 1: This sextortion gang, these Nigerian nationals working hand in hand

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Speaker 1: with American citizens to torture and sex stort American teens.

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Speaker 1: It all came to light when an incredible young man,

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Speaker 1: a high schooler scrubbed in Sunshine. Seventeen year old Jordan

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Speaker 1: de May was caught up in a six stortion scam

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Speaker 1: and committed suicide. What happened.

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Speaker 2: A Michigan high school football star receives a mysterious Instagram

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Speaker 2: message from a girl claiming they have friends in common. Soon,

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Speaker 2: their conversation becomes flirtatious.

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Speaker 1: This kid, this boy to me, this little boy a teen,

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Speaker 1: had no idea who he was really dealing with. This girl, Danny,

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Speaker 1: this beautiful young girl flirting with him online. Started on Insta,

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Speaker 1: then she moved it to a Google chat room. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't a beautiful young girl at all. And now this

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Speaker 3: I saw Jordan for the last time. He came home

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Speaker 3: at ten fifteen, and I believe that's when he opened

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Speaker 3: up his phone and saw the first messages rate when

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Speaker 3: he pulled in our driveway, and I was just about

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Speaker 3: ready to go to bed because we had a long

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Speaker 3: day the next morning traveling. Our other two kids were

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Speaker 3: ready final packing for our vacation. But I ran into

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Speaker 3: Jordan outside on our patio for a brief moment as

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Speaker 3: and that was the last time I'd seen him. But

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Speaker 3: looking back, that was literally minutes after he received his

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Speaker 3: first message, and within ten minutes I was in bed

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Speaker 3: sleeping and I never saw him again. I woke up

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Speaker 3: to finding him in his bedroom.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing Dad Jehan de May speaking to me earlier.

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Speaker 1: Joining me is Jean de May, Jordan's dad and his mother,

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Beauta to both of you, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. And John. Let me tell you why we

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Speaker 1: were playing sound of when you spoke to me before,

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Speaker 1: because I was worried that you and Jennifer would be

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Speaker 1: so distraught that you wouldn't be able to speak, So

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Speaker 1: I was going to use your prior words in case

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Speaker 1: that happened, because when I work on this case, I

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Speaker 1: sometimes when I don't know the right words. Can you

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Speaker 1: and Jennifer, starting with you, John, tell us what happened

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Speaker 1: that evening?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, thank you for having us again

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Speaker 4: and sharing our story. And you know, appreciate the thought

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Speaker 4: of the speaking. But I know I can speak for

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Speaker 4: myself and probably Jennifer as well, but we're very vocal.

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Speaker 4: This is a very important issue and we're getting your

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Speaker 4: voice as far and why as we can to tell

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Speaker 4: Jordan's story and what happened to him and keep this

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Speaker 4: as this legacy. Jordan was, you know, as you can see,

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Speaker 4: an all American young man who was six two hundred

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Speaker 4: man getting ready to start his own life. He was

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Speaker 4: two months away from his eighteenth birthday, just getting ready

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Speaker 4: to graduate high school. And you know, this tragic thing happened.

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Speaker 4: As you know we heard earlier. The first message came

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Speaker 4: in late evening on Thursday night, and the messages were

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Speaker 4: kind of changed and as it progress into more sexual nature,

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Speaker 4: pictures were exchanged and Jordan had sent a compromising photo

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Speaker 4: of himself just after midnight.

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Speaker 5: And when he did that.

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Speaker 4: He figured out real quick that these this young lady

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Speaker 4: they were extortionists trying to extort them for money. And

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Speaker 4: he spent the next three to four hours and extruciating, hard,

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Speaker 5: His way out of it. And he ultimately.

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Speaker 4: Told these extortions that he was going to kill himself

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Speaker 4: because of them, and their response was, good, you better

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Speaker 4: and he did.

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Speaker 1: Mister Jamay, I am so sorry. I know those words

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Speaker 1: are hollow, are they? I just hate it for you,

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Speaker 1: I hate it for him. And if there is a

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Speaker 1: one team, it will be worth everything that we're doing

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Speaker 1: right now. Everything. And here's the thing. We'll never know.

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Speaker 1: We'll never know if we had any effect, if we

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Speaker 1: don't even try. Jennifer thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: What is your recollect of those critical hours?

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Speaker 6: When I woke up to get ready for work, I

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Speaker 6: saw a text that came through from Jordan at three

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Speaker 6: I love you, And I just texted him back and

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Speaker 1: I hope you got some.

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Speaker 6: Sleep, and I started to get ready to take my

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Speaker 6: knew Jordan should be awake, so I sent him another

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Speaker 6: I drove to work, sat down, and I was like,

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Speaker 6: something's not right. He should be responding to me. I

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Speaker 6: sent him a third text, just Jordan, and I gave

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Speaker 6: it a minute, and I reached out to Jordan's girlfriend

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Speaker 6: said no, And in that moment I knew something was very,

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Speaker 6: very wrong, and I reached out to John to see

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Speaker 6: if he was still at his house. John called me

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Speaker 6: about nine minutes later and said he's gone. He's gone,

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Speaker 6: and that Marning was just chaos trying to figure out

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Speaker 6: what happened or why he would do this because he

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Speaker 6: was ready to go on vacation. There were literally no

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Speaker 6: signs that he was in a place to take his

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Speaker 1: The investigation that started with the death of this incredible

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Speaker 1: young man, a boy, a boy, Jordan DeMay, a boy,

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Speaker 1: has led to the uncovering of a vast network, a

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Speaker 1: gang all around the world extorting sex, storting teens. Joining

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Speaker 1: me is Rich Wstak, a former detective cyber crimes detective

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Speaker 1: president of be Sure Cyber Training. Rich, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. And you know, I'm just a trial lawyer.

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Speaker 7: I know how to try a murder case and I

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Speaker 7: know how to work a cross pot, and that's about it.

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Speaker 1: You have got to explain to everyone in understandable terms,

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Speaker 1: what is happening, How is this happening, Why is Jordan dead?

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Speaker 1: How did it happen?

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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, my heart goes out to these parents, and

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Speaker 8: it's happening all over the world, actually where these warlords

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Speaker 8: have these cyber cafes, and they are all sextortionists, specifically

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Speaker 8: the Yahoo Boys in Nigeria who are doing this to

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Speaker 8: our kids across the country. What we need to do.

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Speaker 8: I train about three hundred thousand students a year. Last year,

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Speaker 8: out of those three hundred thousand. I have had thirty

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Speaker 8: five students come to me and telling me that's happening

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Speaker 8: to me right now, and we have to It starts

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Speaker 8: with education of the parents, and then it's to the education.

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Speaker 1: Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Explain what happens

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Speaker 1: in simple terms. Okay, So here we see Jordan.

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Speaker 7: Everything's fine, and all of a sudden, this girl pops

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Speaker 7: up on Insta. I believe, wasn't it originally on Insta?

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Speaker 7: John and Jennifer correct, Yes, And she's cute.

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Speaker 1: And there's a picture of her and she's got a.

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Speaker 7: Profile and a background. I'm sixteen, I go to so

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Speaker 7: and so high school and I'm a cheerleader and I

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Speaker 8: What happens then, Well, our boys get so involved and

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Speaker 8: when they're by themselves, you know, in their bedrooms at

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Speaker 8: night with their devices, and they're like, what's the harm.

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Speaker 8: It's just another girl on the internet. What they don't

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Speaker 8: understand is that if they don't know who they are,

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Speaker 8: it's probably a liar, probably a sextortion case. So for girls,

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Speaker 8: it's about more pictures and videos.

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying, you need to be able to

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Speaker 1: either know the person in real life or be able

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Speaker 1: to see them on a webcam. And to you, John,

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Speaker 1: to May, it just started out so innocently. She sends

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Speaker 1: a picture, a cute picture, and they start flirting and

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Speaker 1: talking online. He doesn't know her, she doesn't know him,

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Speaker 1: and they're having a good time and this goes on

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Speaker 1: for you know, twenty minutes. How does that go so sideways?

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to figure out. John.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm certainly not a professional at this yet,

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Speaker 4: but I'm trying to be.

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Speaker 5: And you know, from all the law enforcement professionals from.

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Speaker 4: All the world that I'm meeting and talking with and

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Speaker 4: learning from, the majority of the same cases is the

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Speaker 4: same type of situation.

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Speaker 5: It's a slow boil.

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Speaker 4: Building rapport with hacked accounts mostly, and so a lot

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Speaker 4: so when you accept the friend request, they oftentimes have

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Speaker 5: So that's the first step. And then as.

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Speaker 4: A detective state of the Yahoo boys is a particular

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Speaker 4: group that was very well connected and basically put together

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Speaker 4: a training platform that was all over the internet for

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Speaker 4: years for these extortions to learn how to do it effectively.

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Speaker 1: Oh, dear lord, So they have a training program how

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Speaker 1: to six stort teens American teens. Okay, this is how

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Speaker 1: I think it went down. Jump in and correct me

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Speaker 1: to John and Jennifer and witchress s doockey? Hold on,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Moroney, Elizabeth Peterson, I'm coming right to you. Listen.

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Speaker 9: Social media has become a regular part of daily life

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Speaker 9: for millions, and seventeen year old Jordan to May is

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Speaker 9: no exception. On Twitter, Jordan receives a message from a

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Speaker 9: beautiful team. Her name is Danny Roberts, and she's pretty

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Speaker 9: and very suggestive. Danny asked Jordan to send some naughty

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Speaker 9: and sends a nude photo of herself. Convinced, Jordan sends

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Speaker 1: And that is how it starts.

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Speaker 10: Listen the minute Jordan de May is convinced by a

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Speaker 10: new friend on Twitter to send a naughty photo. He

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Speaker 10: knows he has been had right away, he knows he

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Speaker 10: is being blackmailed. The so called Twitter friend tells Jordan

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Speaker 10: he needs to send money right now or the naughty

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Speaker 10: his family and all his friends at school. The blackmailer

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Speaker 10: tells Jordan to send one thousand dollars. He tells the

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Speaker 10: scammers he doesn't have that much. He tells them he

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Speaker 10: has three hundred dollars, and they agree. If Jordan de

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Speaker 10: May sends the three hundred dollars, they will get rid

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Speaker 10: of everything.

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Speaker 5: He sends the.

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Speaker 7: Money crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is not just a story. This is rare. Jordan

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Speaker 1: is dead. And you just heard one of our guests

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Speaker 1: talking about training online. How these sex storationists are trained online.

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Speaker 1: They even have a script. This is part of the

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Speaker 1: script that we've obtained from court filings. Quote. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: have screenshots of all your followers and tags and those

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Speaker 1: that comment on your posts. I can send this new

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Speaker 1: to everyone and also send your nudes until it goes viral.

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Speaker 1: All you've got to do is cooperate with me, and

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Speaker 1: I will not expose you. Can you imagine John de May,

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Speaker 7: Why did it take the suicide of this young boy,

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Speaker 7: Praying on our our children joining me. Jordan's mom and

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Speaker 9: Danny Roberts begin sending more threats to Jordan, putting his

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Speaker 1: Let me understand what I'm hearing. Jennifer Buda joining us

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Speaker 6: I can't imagine the panic he was in, being tired

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Speaker 11: Listen, it has only been six hours since Jordan de

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Speaker 11: He isn't met with compassion, He's met with an evil challenge.

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Speaker 1: This sextortion plot, and if you're a parent, if you're

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Speaker 9: Uncovered but for this news of Jordan de May's death

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Speaker 1: John to May is with us, Jordan's dad along with

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Speaker 4: Well, it's really the most important piece of this entire

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Speaker 5: But the picture was the catalyst.

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Speaker 5: They have no reason to.

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Speaker 11: In Michigan, the Marquette County Sheriff has his detectives work

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Speaker 1: Joining me now, Elizabeth Peterson morning news anchor and reporter

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Speaker 1: WLUCTV six uppermichiganssource dot Com. Elizabeth, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. Now we hear the US attorney speaking out. Now,

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Speaker 12: As this continues to unfold, we keep learning more and

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Speaker 12: we learned that when Jordan sent the money, he didn't

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Speaker 1: Entire, this entire thing was. Oh, Elizabeth Peterson, hold on

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Speaker 1: just a moment, sure, Elizabeth, he mean some of these

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Speaker 6: When they share that information at the last press conference,

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Speaker 6: this is absolutely disgusting that I lost my son over

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but my stomach is just clenched

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Speaker 7: To someone in a different country who are they. We

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Speaker 1: US citizens are praying on our children, our Jordan listen.

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Speaker 13: Over the course of a short conversation, Samuel Ogashi, pretending

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Speaker 1: So let me understand rich with Stokey joining US cybercrimes detective,

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Speaker 1: how was it? In a nutshell? In simple terms for me,

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Speaker 1: how were these texts and messages some of them on Insta,

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Speaker 7: How were they traced back all the way to Nigeria?

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Speaker 7: And how were the US counterpart the gang in the US?

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Speaker 1: How were they traced?

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Speaker 8: So what happens is when these happened, we have to

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Speaker 8: So when we get every every single social media or

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Speaker 1: Which with Stocky is talking about how this case was

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Speaker 1: through Apple pay or zell. Was that how it was

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Speaker 4: In Jordan's case, it was an Apple Pay to a

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Speaker 5: It has to be converted.

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Speaker 4: So typically what's happening is the money's coming in through

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Speaker 14: Today, I'm announcing a separate but related case charging five individuals,

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Speaker 14: at the time of the alleged criminal activity. These individuals

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Speaker 14: we alleged facilitated this sextortion scheme by receiving payments from

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Speaker 1: That is, the US Attorney for the Western District of Michigan,

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Speaker 1: Mark taught in speaking about the arrests in the last

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Speaker 1: of the men part of a bigger conspiracy including American citizens,

438
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: to extort sexually extort teen boys and girls across the

439
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: country nearly twenty years. Frankly, I'm glad they caught them,

440
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: but I don't think twenty years is enough. But can

441
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: I talk about the reality to John and Jennifer, All

442
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: of this happened in just six hours from the time

443
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: your baby got this message, the first message from Danny.

444
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: Six hours later later, he was gone. He was God

445
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: from this earth and in heaven to six hours. John,

446
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: that's right.

447
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 5: And there's two dozen parents and families that I know.

448
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 4: That I speak with that have lost their children to sextortion,

449
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 4: and a lot of their stories are very similar to these.

450
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 4: All these young boys and some girls. We could put

451
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 4: them all in the same room together and they could

452
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 4: all be brothers and sisters and the feet on them,

453
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 4: and you know, it's a tragedy.

454
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: Jennifer, it is so hard to take in that all

455
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: you've raised him for years, eighteen years, and in six

456
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: hours you lose.

457
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 6: They took one of the most precious things to me,

458
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 6: and on that day, part of me left this earth too,

459
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 6: And there's always going to be an emptiness and a

460
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 6: heaviness not having Jordan here with me.

461
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: To Elizabeth Peterson joining us WLUC TV, it's so difficult

462
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: to hear John and Jennifer talk about how much they

463
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: love Jordan and how everything changed in just a few hours.

464
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: This investigation turned on its ear and it got to

465
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: be very extensive and much bigger than anyone imagined.

466
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, it really, you know, as I've been covering this

467
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 12: for a couple of years now and I've gotten to

468
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 12: know Jennifer and John, and I've listened to the community

469
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 12: to talk about who Jordan was. Everyone explains him as

470
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 12: this big, big presence, this big spirit. And I think

471
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 12: as we look at this investigation and see how big

472
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 12: it's gotten, the reach that it's gotten, his story is

473
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 12: being told not just here in Michigan, but across the country,

474
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 12: across the world, and every time it's told, there's an

475
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 12: opportunity there for us as parents, for us as the community,

476
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 12: for us as legislator's law enforcement across the board, to

477
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 12: do better, to do right by Jordan, his family.

478
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly what's happening.

479
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 12: And I can't help but think that. You know, it's

480
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 12: hard for us as adults sometimes, I think, to relate

481
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 12: to a sixteen year old and what they're thinking, what

482
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 12: they're feeling. But they haven't lived life yet, they haven't

483
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 12: matured yet. They don't have that wherewithal to say, you

484
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 12: know what, in a year, I'm going to look back

485
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 12: at on this and laugh. And so as adults we

486
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 12: can't understand, but we can open that open space.

487
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: Now what That's a really good point, Elizabeth, as is

488
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: true in so many suicides to you, Jennifer, Butta Jordan's mother.

489
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: If they could just get through that one dark moment, yeah,

490
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: if he had just made it through the night, the

491
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: next morning, everything is different. Explain absolutely.

492
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Speaker 6: You know, their brains aren't developed enough to see past

493
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 6: that very moment. They're just seeing what's in front of

494
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 6: them right now, and how devastating this is how they

495
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 6: might have hurt someone or disappointed someone. I actually had

496
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 6: a teenager reach out to me yesterday and say, this

497
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 6: is happening to me, and because of Jordan's story, I

498
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 6: know that this is going to pass. And that brought

499
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 6: tears to me, knowing that sharing Jordan's story is helping

500
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 6: others and it is saving lives.

501
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: Jordan de may Attain, literally just king of the world,

502
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: his life in front of him, commits suicide because of

503
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: a sextortion plot against him, and it's happening to teens

504
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: all over our country. I want you to hear what Danny,

505
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: the cute girl he thought he was talking to said. Dude,

506
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: now goodbye, enjoy your miserable life. And victim too says

507
00:31:54,080 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: why and Danny, I'll make this goat vibe. I'll make

508
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: you regret your life. I'll make you commit suicide. I

509
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: promise you, I swear. That is what these teens are

510
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: up against. They think they're going to get ridiculed, shamed, shunned, bullied, mistreated,

511
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: grounded by parents, friends, family, and they feel they have

512
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: no other choice very quickly. Doctor William Maroney has conducted

513
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: so many autopsies on teen suicide victims. Your message.

514
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 15: My message is that we need to have resilience coming

515
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 15: from the parents, but we also need the taxpayers to

516
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 15: hear that message in the schools because the kids spend

517
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 15: so much time in school that the schools should redirect

518
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 15: children back to their parents for questions, and there should

519
00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 15: be early education about feeling insecure and suicide and downplay

520
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 15: those messages in the media and refer children back to

521
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 15: communication with their parents.

522
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 7: That's exactly what you do Rich with Stocky train in schools.

523
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, we need to be teaching parents how to have

524
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 8: that technology talk because so many times parents say, if

525
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 8: you do this, if you do that, we're going to

526
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 8: do this year, We're going to do that to you,

527
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 8: and that shuts down the communications. Instead, I teach something

528
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 8: called the golden ticket, and we need to have parents

529
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 8: give that kid a pass because parents are responsible for

530
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 8: their kids technology and we need to do a better

531
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 8: job allowing no matter what you do, we are here

532
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 8: for you and we will fix it for you. You

533
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 8: don't have to suffer in silence.

534
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: And what is so ironic to Jennifer and John Jordan's

535
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: mom and dad, Jordan was not under any threat like

536
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: you hear parents saying Hey, I'm going to take away

537
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: your car keys, I'm going to take away your cell

538
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: phone if you fill in the blank. This boy, Jordan,

539
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: this was a prison of his own making out of

540
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: fear embarrassment, not because you had disciplined him or fussed

541
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: him about being online, but because of what the defendants did,

542
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: grown men in the US and Nigeria targeting this teen

543
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: boy in the middle of the night. Jennifer, you guys

544
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: did everything right and parents need to know that too.

545
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: You can do everything right and you still have a

546
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: hard time protecting your child online.

547
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jordan had a loving family, he had a great life,

548
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 6: a huge support system within his friends in this community,

549
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 6: and he was just the target that night, and they

550
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 6: were relentless and did not give up until Jordan finally

551
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 6: took his own life because he couldn't take the pressure.

552
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 6: And I think it's so important for parents to hear

553
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 6: Jordan's story and sit down with their families and have

554
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 6: open conversations about what happened in the There's absolutely nothing

555
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 6: that they can't come to you with for help, because

556
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 6: people want to help you. If you see yourself going

557
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 6: down that tunnel.

558
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: John to May, Jordan's dead, I want to tell you

559
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: how you've affected my family, you and Jennifer and Jordan.

560
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: When you first told me about Jordan, I pulled up

561
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: Jordan's picture online on my iPad and I blew it up,

562
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: and I waited for the twins, my children, to come

563
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: home from school. They sat down, we had no conversation,

564
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: which we normally do, and I held up the picture.

565
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: I said, you see this boy, he's a star football player,

566
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: he was going to go to college. He's dead, and

567
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: this is what happened. This is what happened, and now

568
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: his mom and dad don't have him any more. And

569
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: I told him point blank, what happened. Please help us, John,

570
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: help all the parents listening right now.

571
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 16: What is your message?

572
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 4: I think the most important thing really is kind of elementary,

573
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 4: but it just boils down. So we have to really

574
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 4: watch what kids are doing on devices and specifically social media.

575
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: One thing that I think is really important, as a detective,

576
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 4: touched on it was having a device in their bedrooms

577
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 4: in secluded areas at night without other people around. I

578
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 4: think that's a really bad recipe, especially when something like

579
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 4: this goes down. There's no way for anybody to intervene.

580
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: So I think parents need to be really, really cognizant

581
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: about that. Keep the devices in open areas, keep them

582
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 4: out of their bedrooms, put them on the phone chargers,

583
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 4: put them away at night, and then speaking to their

584
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 4: kids and having the conversation. This is stuff that's really happening.

585
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: To look at Jordan's story, this thing is real. There's

586
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: people from other parts of the world that came into

587
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 4: my house and murdered my son that night, and there's

588
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 4: eleven people in custody right now because of it. So

589
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: this isn't something that just as a whim. There's two

590
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: dozen other families, and there's probably thousands, if not tens

591
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 4: of thousands, maybe even millions of kids that.

592
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 5: Are being affected by this to some level.

593
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: So we have to be diligent parents and pay attention

594
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: to what's happening and be a little bit more strict

595
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 4: and fours coming with the phone.

596
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 7: Usage crime stories with Nancy Grace Nearly twenty years hard

597
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 7: prison time for two Nigerian brothers after the suicide of

598
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 7: an incredible young man, a teen boy, Jordan de May.

599
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 16: John de Maay is with me. This is Jordan's dad.

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00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: What is your recollection of that night and the following morning?

601
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 16: When Jordan lost his life.

602
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 3: Well, the night before was a pretty normal, chaotic trying

603
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: to get everything ready to leave on vacation for two

604
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: weeks kind of night, as any buddy with three kids

605
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: and two dogs is trying to do. So it was

606
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: a pretty normal leaving in that sense. Obviously. In the morning,

607
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: I woke up, My two younger girls were getting up,

608
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: and my wife had gotten up, and we were just

609
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: kind of milling around trying to get ready for the day.

610
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: And Jennifer, Jordan's mother, had sent me a text message

611
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: and asked me if Jordan was, you know, if he

612
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: was still home. And at that point, it was like

613
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: seven point thirty in the morning, which was really strained,

614
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: and I looked out the window and I saw I

615
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 3: saw it was Carston in the driveway, and I thought

616
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: that was awfully strange because he never missed his school ever.

617
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: So at that point I went downstairs to his bedroom.

618
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: I opened up the door, and I found him in

619
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: his bedroom.

620
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Speaker 16: I guess when you first saw him, you couldn't believe it.

621
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: I was stunned, shocked, numb, every my whole body was

622
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: just failing me. I could barely stand up.

623
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 16: Oh, mister to May I'm so sorry, just imagining. I

624
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 16: guess every person listening to your voice right now is

625
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 16: thinking of that moment.

626
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: They go in and my daughter sixs o'clock and I

627
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: can hear it. It sounds like some kind of a

628
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: sitar ding ding ding ding playing some kind of song,

629
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: something ungodly.

630
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 8: Early hour.

631
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: She gets up and I always go in and check

632
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: on her in case she goes back to sleep. Then

633
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: my son could sleep through a mac truck coming through

634
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: his window and I have to go literally get him up,

635
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: and I've done it a million times. I'm just thinking

636
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: about that moment when you open the door and you

637
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: see him. What did you do?

638
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: I just stood at his feet and started shaking, and

639
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: I think I wasn't even trying to talk to him,

640
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: like why, Jordan, you know why what happened? And I

641
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: remember I just slowly turned around and slowly walked back upstairs,

642
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: and my wife and my two and my one daughter

643
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 3: was sitting on the couch, and I told my wife

644
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 3: that Jordan shot himself, and and my youngest daughter freaked out,

645
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 3: and my wife freaked out and everything started to happen

646
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: from there. Life changed that morning.

647
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 16: Mister de May, what do you make life changed that morning.

648
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, losing the child is the worst thing

649
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 3: that can one of the worst things that can happen

650
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 3: to anybody, but it sent a lot of It's well,

651
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 3: it started, it started a lot of different things in

652
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: our life personally, outside from learning about sex stortion and

653
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: going public and doing all those great things. But you know,

654
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Speaker 3: we we lived in a home that was going to

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Speaker 3: be our forever home that we never went back to

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Speaker 3: that night. After that date, we went back to finish things,

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00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: but we ended up putting on the market Charlie after

658
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 3: sold it and now we're building a new home. So

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00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 3: just things like that and the way we interact with

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00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: our kids and the way that we you know, just

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00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: go about daily life. There's it's just it's just a

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00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: different it's a different world for us. And you know,

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00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: Jordan's always in our in our thoughts and how we

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00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: and how we navigate the world. And and it's even

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00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: heightened more now with with being able to come forward

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00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: with with what happened and share the story and and

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00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: really create this message that that Jordan would be proud

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00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 3: of as well.

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Speaker 16: Mister Tomy, what is your message?

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00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: Our message is? There are a lot of folks. And

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00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: you know, we talked a little bit here with some

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00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: very professional people about the suit side and the rates,

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00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: and it's it's actually absolutely tragic to see to hear

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00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: that those numbers are so high. But you know, let's

675
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: be honest. You know, social media is not doing any

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00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: favors for anyone, not children certainly, and not adults. And

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00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 3: I think the message needs to be that for parents,

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00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: it needs to be we need to pay more attention

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00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 3: to what's happening online and start understanding a little bit more.

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00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: And for for kids that need. Younger people I shouldn't

681
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: say kids, young young and young people and young adults

682
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: even need to understand that the the nature of what

683
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: social media is doing to you mentally, just in our

684
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: story is so so left field. I mean, it's it

685
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: doesn't happen to everybody, right, But let's boil it down

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00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: into simple things. And I'm sure you've had a lot

687
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 3: of podcasts about bullying and body shaming these young ladies

688
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: and trying to get likes and feel goods and all

689
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: the things. I mean, all that stuff is not healthy.

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00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: It's just not healthy for people at all. So I

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00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: think the message needs to be we need to slow

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00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: down that stuff. I think we need to go back

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00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: to having real relationships with people, having real conversations, trying

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00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: to get young people away from sending pictures and messages

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00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: as you know, sexual content. You know, have real relationships

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00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: with people, Be out and about, be alive, enjoy the air,

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00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: you know, look around. But at the end of the day,

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00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: we have to tell people that if things happen, you know,

699
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: it's not the end of the world either. You know,

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00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: Jordan's story is so tragic, and this is something that

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00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: probably would would have been laughing about in ten or

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00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: fifteen years after he's graduated college and gotten married and

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00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: had kids and bought his first home and you know,

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00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 3: got a career job and did all the things. You'd

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00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: look back and kind of like that was stupid, right,

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00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: But in that moment, you can't. They're not old enough

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00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: to understand that. They're not developed enough to understand that

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00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: what their life as they know it, in that moment,

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00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: that may be over.

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00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: In their world. They don't understand that all row, you're

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00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: going to feel better. And when you just said, mister

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00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: de may that one day when he you know, graduated

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00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: and gets married, he's buying his first house that you

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00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: would laugh about a newty that he took when he

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00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: was seventeen. Just I know you talk to him. I

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00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: know you talk to him because I talked to my

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00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: dad all the time. What do you say to Jordan now?

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00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: I try to talk to Jordan just about the daily

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00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: stuff past sisters are doing and what we're up to,

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00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: and things that we've done that we wish he would

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00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: have been part of, you know it. Just it helps

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00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: keep the keep the message alive, and keep Jordan alive

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Speaker 3: and helps us heal, helps us move on.

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Speaker 16: Do you ever feel that he answers you in some way?

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00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 3: I do. I think I think that's natural for those feelings.

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00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: A Oftentimes great things happen, and you know, you'll get

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00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: a rush of wind, or the rain will just suddenly

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00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: stop and it'll be a beautiful rainbow, or you know,

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00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: those those weird things that just happen. In those moments,

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00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 3: sometimes you just feel that presence. It's it's hard, it's

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00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: it's good, it's it's refreshing. But I think those are

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00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: the I think those are the winds that those are

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00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: the good feels that we need to hold on to

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00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 3: to keep us strong and keep our head up and

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00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: keep pushing forward with everything.

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Speaker 16: I hope and pray that your message is furthered today.

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Speaker 1: If you or someone you.

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Speaker 16: Know believe that you are, or have been.

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Speaker 1: Or currently a victim of sextortion, toll free eight hundred

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Speaker 1: two two five four three two four repeat eight hundred

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Speaker 1: two two five four three two four that's one eight

742
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: hundred call FBI, and if you are considering or thinking

743
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: about committing suicide, please text nine eight eight just text

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00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: nine eight eight or dial toll free eight hundred two

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00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: seven three eight two five five nine eight eight text

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00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: or eight hundred twenty seven three eight two five five,

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00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: because I promise you, if you can get through that

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00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: dark hour and see the sunrise the next morning, you'll

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Speaker 1: change your mind. Twenty years behind bars, some consolation, our

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00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: prayers for the family of Jordan to.

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Speaker 7: May Itzy Grace crime story. Signing off, goodbye friend,