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Speaker 2: At us straight off the bat. We crushed it, crushed

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Speaker 2: us at the start. Hi, everybody, welcome to the Renicetus

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Speaker 2: Tennis Podcast. Sorry we had a week off.

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Speaker 1: No, don't be sorry, we had a week off. Unapologetic.

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Speaker 2: You needed it. You went to Morocco.

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Speaker 1: I went to Morocco.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how fun?

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Speaker 1: Played tennis in the sun. Went to the Royal Marrakesh Club,

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Speaker 1: which is one of the most beautiful tennis clubs I've

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Speaker 1: a bad picture in Morocco. Can you explain to people

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Speaker 1: how you get there from the United States? It's not

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Speaker 1: that easy, unfortunately. But Delta now has a direct flight

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Speaker 1: from Atlanta at Marrakesh. Well, I didn't take it, But is.

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Speaker 2: There any other directs on any other city in the country?

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Speaker 1: Not being a travel age and I can't uh recall

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Speaker 1: It's a couple times a week. I didn't take it.

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Speaker 2: I saw your photos for the camel.

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Speaker 1: I was scared of animals, so I bad that went.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah you are. You're scared of animals and helicopters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm never getting a helicopter again, but I would

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Speaker 1: a very nice don't shosho when he doesn't want to shoeshoo. Yeah, shueshoe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was nice. Anyway, I played tennis. I played some

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Speaker 2: That's competitiveness they have within each within themselves in their

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five for the women.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got to split it up otherwise we just

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Speaker 1: Well, can't we do it for real during the like

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Speaker 2: to see, And yeah, shout out to Mikayla Shiffrin, who's

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Speaker 1: Makila Schiffren listens to her podcast.

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Speaker 2: Not Mikayla Schiffrin. I was getting home to watch her

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Speaker 2: the street. Her name was Laurie, and she just wanted

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Speaker 2: to twenty twenty five. Caitlin Player of the Year for you.

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Speaker 2: it's Coco. This year had such a Coco year, like

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Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, she's unbelievable and then you're like, oh,

434
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Speaker 2: what is going on? You know kind of thing. So, yeah,

435
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Speaker 2: I don't know how she would look at this year.

436
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 2: I think this again, if she looks at it like Sabalanca,

437
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 2: which was a learning year of what can I get

438
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 2: better at? In twenty twenty six, then sure this was

439
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,439
Speaker 2: a great year for her to look at winning a

440
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Speaker 2: major title and then looking at it and going Okay,

441
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Speaker 2: I know how much better I can get And yeah,

442
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 2: there are a lot of parts of her game that

443
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Speaker 2: she can get better. And you know what, Having said that, Caitlin,

444
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Speaker 2: She's got a new you know, mechanical biomechanical coach in

445
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Speaker 2: Gabon and so we'll see where she turns up in

446
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 2: Australia because that will answer a lot of the questions.

447
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Speaker 1: Of Yeah, to me, Cuckoo is a little bit of

448
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Speaker 1: a question mark with regards to night can she be great?

449
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 1: Obviously she's great already, but what year will she have

450
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Speaker 1: next year? And somebody elsewhere kind of think similarly, and

451
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Speaker 1: I think again, she would probably take this year any

452
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Speaker 1: day is jess Pagula again having some really great moments,

453
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Speaker 1: finishing top five, getting obviously in in possession position to win.

454
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Speaker 1: But does she does she the way that you predicted

455
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Speaker 1: a Nissimova with all things firing, go home with a major.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I would probably more confident about Anisimova than I would. Yeah,

459
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: and just by the way I like her game, and

460
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Speaker 1: I like.

461
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Speaker 2: There's reasons for that. Jessica doesn't have a weapon, right,

462
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 2: she has incredible groundstroke weapons that are unbelievable, and you know,

463
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Speaker 2: people are always like, I don't know understand how like

464
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: people literally right on tweetled I don't know how she's

465
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Speaker 2: ranked where she is and how she's had the career.

466
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Speaker 2: I was like, dude, have you ever hit against her?

467
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Speaker 2: Her ball is so hard to play. It is so hard.

468
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Speaker 2: It is flat, it is it is. She has sneaky power, yeah,

469
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Speaker 2: and it's like a slingshot.

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Speaker 1: She's very efficient.

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Speaker 2: She's unbelievable.

472
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Speaker 1: It doesn't look flashy, but her movement and her power

473
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Speaker 1: are easy and efficient. Yea. Everything about her mechanics is

474
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Speaker 1: like pre like extremely optimized.

475
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Speaker 2: I think I feel like her I explained her shot

476
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Speaker 2: is like a slingshot. It's like goes in the racket

477
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Speaker 2: and as she goes similar to sort of like a

478
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Speaker 2: Lindsay Davenport type of ball that's just deep, flat and

479
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Speaker 2: hard and it's so hard to attack and do anything

480
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Speaker 2: on that. You know, women like a little bit more

481
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Speaker 2: of the not spin, because women don't like spin, but

482
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Speaker 2: they like it about hip level. Her ball is like

483
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Speaker 2: on your knees, it's so hard and flat. So but

484
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Speaker 2: the problem is for jas is she just doesn't have

485
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Speaker 2: that weapon on a serf and her serve is really

486
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Speaker 2: a vulnerability for her. So and she knows that. Look,

487
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Speaker 2: she's only like five to five. Her service motion is okay,

488
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Speaker 2: but it is a vulnerability for her, and that's really

489
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Speaker 2: the biggest issue for her. Like Anisimova conserver a way

490
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Speaker 2: out of trouble, right, Sabalanca conserve a way out of trouble,

491
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Speaker 2: rebarking a conserv a weight out of trouble. Like every eager,

492
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Speaker 2: sheon tech can bomb down some serfs like and has

493
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Speaker 2: a very good second serve whereas eagers, whereas Jess a

494
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Speaker 2: serve just kind of sits there. And that's going to

495
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Speaker 2: be the biggest issue for her if she wants to

496
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Speaker 2: win a major title, to beat players like Sabalanca Anasamova,

497
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Speaker 2: you know, rebarking a back to back to back, right,

498
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Speaker 2: because that's who you have to beat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's exactly right, that's who can win the.

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Speaker 2: Slam next year. I'm putting money on Amanda in front

501
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: of jas but I think she can. Look she probably

502
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 2: could have and should have won Weimbledon a couple of

503
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: years ago when she lost Evondrosova she was at four

504
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Speaker 2: one and the third and went on to win the title.

505
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Speaker 2: But as we know Caitlin, there's no such thing as

506
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Speaker 2: if if if exactly exactly, so so I don't know.

507
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Speaker 2: I think she'll be around. She'll be knocking on the

508
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Speaker 2: door she always does, and well let's hope for it

509
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: because we're better for it. When Jesspa gool is doing

510
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 2: really well, Elena Rabakina, i mean, finished the year on fire.

511
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Speaker 2: But also indoors really suits her game, so you know,

512
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Speaker 2: it's kind of like looking at all Rufa never won

513
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: the ATV finals. Yeah, it's indoors, that's why. So people

514
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: will be like, oh he sucks. I'm like, then he

515
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Speaker 2: goes wins the Australian Open, but so I just think

516
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Speaker 2: the Rebarkina is a bit of an unknown with can

517
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Speaker 2: she put it together at the majors now? That has

518
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Speaker 2: to give her a ton of confidence. I remember what

519
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Speaker 2: it did for was He when she won the w

520
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Speaker 2: TA finals and then went on to win the Austrain Open,

521
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: and so yeah, the out question. Rebarkina had a little

522
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Speaker 2: bit of an up and down year, but I think

523
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Speaker 2: that look out for her in Australia. She smoked Saberlenka

524
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago in Brisbane and then came

525
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Speaker 2: down and then decided to go and play Adelaide and

526
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: retweaked a bit of an achilles issue and then went

527
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Speaker 2: and lost to that epic tiebreak to blink Over a

528
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Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and I think that was probably

529
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Speaker 2: where she should have won the Austrain Open after what

530
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Speaker 2: she did to Sablenca the week before. But she'll be there.

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Speaker 2: She'll be knocking on the door big time, and no

532
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Speaker 2: player wants to play her. No player because she doesn't

533
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Speaker 2: have a ton of weaknesses either, massive sir, biggest serve,

534
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Speaker 2: best serve probably in women's tennis, one of the best

535
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Speaker 2: back ends I've ever seen, and so she'll be definitely

536
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Speaker 2: in the mix at the Austrain Open.

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Speaker 1: I want to I'm curious to see if Rebakina can

538
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Speaker 1: repeat as a Wimbledon champion.

539
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Speaker 2: Yes, because on grass she should be scary. Yeah, not

540
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Speaker 2: losing a lot of matches.

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Speaker 1: She shouldn't be, Like I think it would be a

542
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Speaker 1: very she'd lose to this year.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe look that up, but yeah, I'll

544
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: keep this going while you look that up. But yeah,

545
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: so you know, we've sort of touched upon most of

546
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: the plays in the top ten other than egaon tech.

547
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Speaker 2: What Ega did this year was again, would you look

548
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Speaker 2: at EGA's year and go successful mixed bag?

549
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: I think for Ega is winning success she totally and

550
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Speaker 1: I don't want to put myself in her shoes because

551
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, obviously she's had a ton of success on

552
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: the on the pro juror especially on the red clay.

553
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: But I think getting there's nothing like a personal comeback

554
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: where you lose in your favorite type, your favorite tournament,

555
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: you have a disappointment and then all of a sudden,

556
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: everything sort of feels rock bottom and you feel completely helpless,

557
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: and you're going into a stretch of tournaments where typically

558
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: you don't do well and there's a public questioning. I

559
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: know she gets a lot of shit from the Polish press,

560
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: like you know, yeah, she's got a ton of pressure

561
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: on her shoulders, and then to play free and joyful

562
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: tennis at Wimbledon, where nobody expects things to happen, Like

563
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: I actually think that alone, losing early in the French

564
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: and then coming back to win Wimbledon three weeks later

565
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Speaker 1: is a year defining st swing.

566
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Speaker 2: I think what it should show her is that when

567
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: she sort of relaxes and doesn't give a fuck, that's right,

568
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: this is how well you can play. And she played

569
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Speaker 2: unbelievable at Wimbledon. I mean beating Amanda in the final

570
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Speaker 2: oh and O one hundred percent is just like come on,

571
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Speaker 2: I mean look, Amanda couldn't move. It was like she

572
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: was literally it was like she literally had cinder blocks

573
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Speaker 2: on her feet. I was like, oh god, girl, come on,

574
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: move those feet, move those feet. I was like, oh boy,

575
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: and Eager is the type of person that you can

576
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: just can't do that against because she is literally going

577
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: to literally put the car in sixth gear and just

578
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: keep going and revving and like goodbye. Rebarking The lost

579
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: to Towson at Wimbledon and Towson have to shout out

580
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: to her. She had a really good year. She like

581
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: cracked into the top ten, I believe for the first time,

582
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: and a dangerous player. But that was a actually commentated

583
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: that match and it was she should not have lost

584
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: that match, Rabackina. I mean, she had opportunity after opportunity.

585
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: She should never have lost that match and she ended

586
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: up losing it. So yeah, Caitlin, to answer your story,

587
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: she definitely is a player to watch and I believe

588
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: that rebakin It will win a major title next year

589
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: as well. She's definitely knocking on the door again. Jasmin

590
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: Paulini got to give her a lot of kudos because

591
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: after what she did the year before, making two major finals,

592
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: it's a lot of points to defend. She wins her

593
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Speaker 2: home tournament in Rome, which has to be one of

594
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: the funnest, most awesome, you know, storylines of the year,

595
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: other than maybe Victoria Mombacco took that mantle a little

596
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Speaker 2: bit more.

597
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Speaker 1: Winning in Canada at home.

598
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Speaker 2: And first to see Jasmin Paulini who had been struggling.

599
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: She struggled for the first six months of the year.

600
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: Really yea for her you know ability, and then comes

601
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: back and wins that tournament in Rome. For me, that

602
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: was one of the most fun moments on the tour

603
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: this year out question, so I'm going to give a

604
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: shout out to Jazzy who maintains her position inside the

605
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: top ten at number eight. Mira Andreva, number nine in

606
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: the world, started the year gang busses, beating everybody left

607
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: and right, and then had a mental like just walk

608
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: about through the year getting pissed off, hitting balls out

609
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: of stands, losing her mind against Conchetah. Just she's maturing,

610
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: but she was literally Jekyll and Hyde this year.

611
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: This is one of the stories that makes me a

612
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: little sad about the year because sort of, and you

613
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to it a little bit with Madison Keys.

614
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: You know, when you have such a great chunk of

615
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: the year and then it doesn't materialize in other parts,

616
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: that's a bummer. I think for Madison Keys, somebody's been

617
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: on the tour forever and somebody who's been up and

618
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: down and kind of had a break through a moment

619
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: that feels less grave to me. Mia Andreva coming out

620
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: crushing in the Middle East, winning Indian Wells, poised with

621
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: all the tools, and then somehow like olls up a cliff.

622
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: Caitlin, she was like beyond borg, like nothing basic ice called.

623
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: I was like, what happened to her? In two months?

624
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: She turned into like like Stephanie Graff.

625
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: Her mentality it was awsome.

626
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm not getting mad at anything, walking to the other side,

627
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: losing a big point, walking to the other side, and

628
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, she has she's found the magic.

629
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: You know, you do that really does happen to you

630
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: as a player. You just like, oh, I can win

631
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: without losing my shit. Okay, Oh I lost that point

632
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: and I didn't lose my shit, and then I won

633
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: the next point and then I won the game. Oh,

634
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: it literally happens. It does happen like that as you reture,

635
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: because when you see the young players that are just

636
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: like losing their shit at the dumbest times, you're why

637
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: are you getting upset? You know? I mean, Potclin Kettle,

638
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: I know what this feels like. So I'm like and

639
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you're like, Okay, I'm gonna

640
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: try and not lose my mind today. And then all

641
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: of a sudden you're like, oh I won that match,

642
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, that's Roger Feder perfect example, a

643
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: guy with a nutjob as a junior nutjob and then

644
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: his Australian coach at the time said to him, Peter Carter,

645
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: you got to stop losing your shit basically, you know.

646
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: And unfortunately Peter lost his life very young in South

647
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: Africa in a car accident. And I think that changed

648
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: Roger and he you know, look at Roger. He never

649
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: lost his shit. Every now and again he lost his shit.

650
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: It was very rare, but he was a completely different person.

651
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: And I think he realized, oh, oh, I don't need

652
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: to lose my shit and I'm going to win a lot.

653
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: And that's what he did, you know. And so I

654
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: think for Mirror, let's hope that she can look back

655
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: in this like Sabalanca and be like, Okay, when did

656
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: I play well and when did I get When did

657
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: I lose matches that I should not have and why?

658
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: And if she can be honest about that, then she

659
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: can be like, Okay, I'm going to be a grown

660
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: up in twenty twenty six. I'm going to keep my

661
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: shit together and I probably will win a lot more.

662
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: And if she does, she has the capability. I don't

663
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: know if she can win a major.

664
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Speaker 1: I think she can certainly win a major.

665
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: I think she can win a major. I don't know

666
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: if she can do it next year yet. No, the

667
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: biggest issue with mir is that again, I will talk

668
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: about it till I'm blue in the face. You cannot

669
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: have weaknesses, right, Maddie Winsley Strain Open. There's no weaknesses there.

670
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: She's not missing balls like she usually does. She's hitting

671
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: winners although the play she's serving great, eager comes out,

672
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: wins Wimbledon. There's no weaknesses in her game, like you know,

673
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: her movement, her back end, her forehand, a serve, everything's good.

674
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: You know, Volley's could be better. But she's not up

675
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: there that much. You know, you look at Coco wins

676
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: the French. Okay, yes, does she have weaknesses, but Clay

677
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: really helps those weaknesses, right, so they're not as glaring.

678
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: And then of course sab Balanca not a lot of weaknesses,

679
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: whereas unfortunately from Mira, the forehand is not. And same

680
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: with the Rebakino. To be honest, when the forehand's not confident,

681
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: she's missing it. She's not winning matches, right, the big matches.

682
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: Talking about quarters, semi's finals, Mira Andreva's forehand she needs

683
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: to get to the point where she's not missing it

684
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: under pressure. And if you say, oh, her found's not

685
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: that bad, I said, listen, under pressure, watch her run

686
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: around her forehand, hit backhands from the middle of the court.

687
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: So she has to get that part of her game better.

688
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: And if she does, everything else is great. Back in

689
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: is unbelievable. Volley's great serve is fantastic. The forehand is

690
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: a little bit, it gets a little dodgy under pressure.

691
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, I like her complete game and I

692
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: really want her to be in those late stages and

693
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: matches because I think the what you know, the toolbox

694
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: she brings to them is exciting. I would say the

695
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: same about Carolyn and Mukhova to me, when she plays

696
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: her very best in which she's healthy, which is maybe

697
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: a good segue to talk about one of the main

698
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: storylines of this year, which was just the absolute carnage

699
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: that these players' bodies have gone through and how it's

700
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: taken them out at key moments, because Mukhova is a

701
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: great example of somebody who has surged at various times

702
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: in her career. She's made the finals of the French

703
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: Open this year. She had a good run at the

704
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: US Open, but just between her body not holding up

705
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: and then not putting off sort of momentum together. She's

706
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: somebody who I think should be a time ten player,

707
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 1: challenging for yeasture. And I think injuries is a lot

708
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: of the reason that she has it.

709
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: Is, and she didn't have a great end of the

710
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: year after the US Open where she had a great

711
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: run and lost a tough two set match to Osaka.

712
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: But yes, there's definitely Look, We've said it a hundred

713
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: times on this podcast. Please tennis god's injury. Gods, give

714
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: this girl a break for one years, just one year.

715
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: Let's see how good she can be after with one

716
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: year of no major injuries, and you know, then we'll

717
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: see how good she can be. But yeah, look, the

718
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: injury bud really hit a lot of great players, including

719
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: Chin Win, who you know, had the elbow issue, tried

720
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: to come back in her home tournament in China, pulled

721
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: out in the middle of the match. Let's hope she's

722
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: physically better next year, because she certainly is such an

723
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: interest for the Asian side about.

724
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: Tour and I love the way Chin please, and she's

725
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: always great, she's exciting, she's Dynamics. She did really well

726
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: on Claire. She was she had a pretty good great

727
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: clay friend, and that she's a great clerk or player.

728
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: She's looking great. Currently on the cover of Chinese Vergue.

729
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: Well, we know that you already talked about that one.

730
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: We already know she's on a Nucle cover of a

731
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: new one. Yeah, literally like Bizarre a couple of weeks ago. Wow, Okay,

732
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 2: So she's a she really mean, she took the lina

733
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: and mantle and just ran with it.

734
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: And a fashion editorial hates to see her coming because

735
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: she really really owns it. And when Paula Badosa, which

736
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: with all these back problems Paula Badosa has had, I

737
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: don't I don't feel good about this. I really like

738
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: Paula Badosa. I think she's a fun you know.

739
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: I mean a tournament, we had Bodoza, we had von

740
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: Drosova who came back, and then we talk about not

741
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: catching a break. I mean, this girl comes back one

742
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: of her first tournaments and gets to the semi finals

743
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: and has to pull out with an injury in Australia,

744
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: I think it was in Adelaide, playing awesome and then

745
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: has to pull out, and you're like, God, damn, like

746
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 2: you seriously, and then she's playing out of her mind

747
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: at the US Open, beats Rubakina I believe in a

748
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: three set match and then comes out and it's like

749
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: has to play Sablenca and you're like, Okay, this girl's

750
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: it's going to be a match, and then has the default. Yeah,

751
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck? Like this between her and Mukhova.

752
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: I don't know where you guys live in the Czech Republic,

753
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: but maybe you need to check the water move was

754
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: between the two of them. They cannot catch a break.

755
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: So let's tennis.

756
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: God's injury. Gods, give Vandrospha and Mukhova a break in

757
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, please, because they're both so fun to watch,

758
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: right Totally, You've got von Drossa with the lefty and

759
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: the drop shot and the tattoos and the and what's

760
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: she going to do? And then and then you've got Muhovah,

761
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: who's uh, you know, got all the talent in the

762
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: world and so so yeah, so the injuries were a bumma.

763
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: Onsuba has has had a baby. Let's hope she comes back.

764
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: It's going to have a baby. Let's hope she comes back.

765
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: But that was a nice story for twenty twenty five.

766
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: See yeah, for she wanted to have baby so badly.

767
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: If a player has to be off the tour, especially

768
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: a player that we love, baby, let's hope it's for

769
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: a good reason. And in the case of Anstubra, who

770
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: long stated how much starting a family was going to

771
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: mean to her, has done that. And she's also just

772
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: opened up an academy in Dubai, so she's really expanding

773
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: her world of influence even though she's not in the court.

774
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: Nobody's big around as your birthin then actually probably my

775
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: mother in law.

776
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. That's true. Yah lah bibi, yeah lah okay.

777
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: And one little shout out speaking of coming back from injuries,

778
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: not so much injuries babies, is I want to give

779
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: a huge shout out to Belinda Bencic. I mean, what

780
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 2: a fantastic year. She comes back, branked whatever five hundred

781
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: bazillion in the world, comes back and finishes the year

782
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: at number eleven in the world. Eleven in the world.

783
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: What like that to me?

784
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: No one has talked about that enough this year.

785
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: Now, that's a good point.

786
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: Phenomenal year, comes back, wins a tournament, or maybe a

787
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: couple of tournaments, just impressive upon impressive. Talk about changing

788
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: your attitude.

789
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, she used to be a little bits that chap.

790
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: He was a pork chop on the court now and

791
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about weight. I'm talking about being a

792
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: pork chop. Yeah, as you listeners know what a pork

793
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: chop is. For me, don't act like a pork chop.

794
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: Belinda bench came back not acting like a pork chop.

795
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: She came back acting like Roger Federer. Yeah, like she

796
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 2: And I think having a child, especially a daughter, changes

797
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: you in some respects. Is like, my kid is watching me,

798
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: like even though she's like one, but she's still there

799
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: and I cannot be an asshole. Maybe my Benchich should

800
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: join Mira Andrevas team alongside Concino Martinez as her attitude coach.

801
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: I think she's trying to just win matches on her own.

802
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: I think that would be a fun side project.

803
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: What would be interesting. It's just like Belinda Benchic congratulations

804
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: on a phenomenal twenty twenty five to get back to

805
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: eleven in the world, and she's only like, what twenty

806
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: seven or something, and she's still so young that if iff.

807
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: So well done on that.

808
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: Let's see what she can do next year. Of course

809
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: Olympic Games gold medalists. She knows how to beat all

810
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: the good players, and so I just wanted to give

811
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: a quick shout out.

812
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: That's really nice. I would never have thought of talking

813
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: about Belinda Benchich. She really unbelievable.

814
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: Nami Saka, who's come back from having a baby as well,

815
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: I'd say that. You know, she would have been, as

816
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: I said, a little disappointed with this year, but also

817
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: won a tournament. You know, got she she didn't.

818
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: I mean she won to like a one twenty five. Yeah,

819
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: but it's out of France. It's okay, she's I'm not

820
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: trying to give her shit. I'm just it's not you know.

821
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 2: I think her biggest disappointment was losing that Canada final

822
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: to Victoria Mumbak.

823
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: My biggest disappointment was how she acted. Yes well, because

824
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: I think for me, this is a nice segue into

825
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: some of the players who had just astonishing sort of debuts,

826
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: real big moments where they've stepped into the majors. And

827
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: I think instead of talking about Namo Osaka being let's

828
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: call it what it was like, a very bad sport yep.

829
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: Obviously she was disappointed having gotten to the finals of

830
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: the Rogers Cup in Montreal, losing to a hometown young

831
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: talent in Victoria and Boco. But don't walk off the

832
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: court and then refuse to go back out on the

833
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: speech and then when you're draged back out there, give

834
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: like a one word nd. It was like, you're too

835
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: old and that has happened to you, so don't do

836
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: it to somebody else. Yeah. On the flip side, Victoria

837
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: and Boco was one of a little bit of a

838
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: fun cohort of young news storylines that it is definitely

839
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: the fairy tale of the year. For sure.

840
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: That was the fairy tale of the year, without question.

841
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: I'd say close runner up, Well, there's two close runner ups,

842
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: and I would say that's alex Iala down in Miami.

843
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: What a run she had down there that eating beating

844
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: Egas Fontek on the way and.

845
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: Liked seeing a tight one to Jess Begula, I mean tight,

846
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: but really announcing herself as a presence and really putting

847
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: the Philippines on the map, the first player to really

848
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: break into that top echelon of players and she's only

849
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: getting started. To me, my impression of alex Yala is

850
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: she is on the upswing, kind of similar to Victorian Boco,

851
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: who had a little bit of a wrist issue and

852
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: obviously back to back US Open and Roger's Cup. Yeah,

853
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: that was maybe she put out with the start. She

854
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: should have played the US in it. But I think

855
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: for me, those two players in particular are ones I'm

856
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: very very excited about watching. I would like the next

857
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.

858
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: I would like to give myself and Ellen Perez a

859
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 2: pat on the back for alex Ayala's run in Miami.

860
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: He was looking for a practice She had no one

861
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: to practice with in the first couple of days of qualifying,

862
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: and you know, because she had to play through the

863
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: tournament with she didn't really know anyone. She was pretty

864
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: new to the tour and she had down looking for

865
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: a practice partner.

866
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: Does that happen a lot when a player is brand

867
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: new and then you just can't find.

868
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: Out practice and her coach can't really hit. He's kind

869
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 2: of like an older dude, So I mean, he can

870
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: feed the ball and he could probably hit the ball,

871
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: but he can't really hit the ball like a player

872
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: can or a good hitting partner and you often do

873
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 2: have hitting partners on the tour as well. They the tournament,

874
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: you know, gets young kids, young boys that come in

875
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: like maybe playing high school tennis or good tennis players

876
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: in the air and they're hitting partners. And I said

877
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 2: to Alan, oh, because she wanted to hit another hour,

878
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: because it's really hard for the doubles players to get

879
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: time on court. Well, actually it's hard for all the

880
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: players to get time on court, and especially when you

881
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: have a combined event with the men and women, you

882
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: have to share the practice courts. There's not a lot

883
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: of time available. Doubles players are like hitting at six

884
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: pm Laura in seven am, and Iala was looking for

885
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: a hit and I and I said to Ellen, do

886
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: you know this kid? She goes, yeah, she's a good kids.

887
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: She's from Indonesia, nice girl from Philippines. And I said, okay,

888
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: well she's looking okay, Well I've got a number. Let

889
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: me text her see if she wants to hit with me.

890
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: Because a lot of the singles players don't want to

891
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: hit with the doubles players and they don't want to

892
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: hit with a lefty. And Yala, who's a lefty, is

893
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 2: like sure, I'd love to hit with you guys, whatever

894
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: you want to do. She was so sweet and we're like, okay, anyway,

895
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: her and Ellen are out there just crushing balls left

896
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: and right, and I was like, wow, this kid's pretty good.

897
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: And then she goes on this kid real good and

898
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: Ellen every day We're like, damn, so you should be

899
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: her eating partners. So well done to her, and I

900
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: think also we got to give a little shout out

901
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: to Lil frenchie Louis Louis Boisson lu Boisson with her

902
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: run to the semi finals.

903
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: She's just choking. It is so funny that her name

904
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: is Boisson, which means like a soft drink.

905
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: It does, yes, Oh, I was thinking about the cheese

906
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: that I you know, the Boisson cheese that you get here.

907
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: Oh you don't thinking of Bis. Sorry, Boris's herb cheese.

908
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: Boiss is like a soft drink. It's like a refreshment.

909
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: And what are refreshing tournam events for France to have,

910
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: especially as two of their female players retired this year,

911
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: to have a young, new exciting player to route for

912
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 1: who got to the Sammy's at the French Open.

913
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: She is going to be She's got a big she's

914
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: going to be a nightmare to plan Clay going forward.

915
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: He's kind of like, I mean, look, Sam Stow's.

916
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: The one that's a very similar game, very.

917
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: Very similar game to spin On that for hid, huge kicker,

918
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: Massive Forehand likes a good flies, good mover. Sorry Sam

919
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: if you're listening to the podcast. But she's a much

920
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: better slider than you, because Sam was a terrible slider.

921
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: Sam does listen to this podcast, and she's an honorary cler.

922
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: He does listen to the podcast. Actually, I know he would.

923
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: You sent me a screenshot of her Wrapped twenty twenty

924
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: five podcast listen on Spotify. Guess what her number one was.

925
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: That's right, Caitlin. So you need to take it back

926
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: and say sorry, Sam sing Sorry. I love Sam, And

927
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 2: I said she's an honorary But you said you don't

928
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 2: think she listens to the pod.

929
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: No I did. I said, I know she listens to

930
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: the part you're not listening to me.

931
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: Oh that's not we love you. That's so normal. We

932
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: do want to give a shout out to all the

933
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: people that retired this year on the WTA too, and

934
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: Samona Howlup officially retired. Should we talk about that about

935
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: what a part of that. You know what I'm getting

936
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: at about her getting into the Hall of Fame. Now, yeah, well, yeah,

937
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 2: of course she's going to get into the Hall of Fame.

938
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: I don't not so much like will she get in?

939
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: Just should she?

940
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: No, No, I think she should. I don't really care

941
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: about any of the stuff. But it's pretty it's pretty sad.

942
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: I'll just say, Simona help because so many of the retirements, it's.

943
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: Sad how she yes her last few years, That's what

944
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm getting at. Like Caroline Garcia who retired this year,

945
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: she had a really lovely moment. Same with Alise Cornell,

946
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 2: although she's like retired a couple of other times. So

947
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: like maybe we'll see if she actually comes back.

948
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: Probably come back, you know, there was a couple others

949
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: that maybe we want to mention. Sarano Shusseia now said.

950
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: Next year's a last for Kavetev, a retired cove of

951
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: a multi multi Grand SAM Championship. Venus Williams did not retire,

952
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: but she did have the best fashion by a mile

953
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: on court at the US Open, So yeah for me.

954
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: Simona Hallep, who has won multiple majors, going out the

955
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: last couple of years away that she did sort of

956
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: a bummer. It was a little bit of a sad sad.

957
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: I think, No, Yeah, I think yeah, I you know,

958
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: I don't. We don't like to necessarily talk about when

959
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: we do all the time, but we don't like to

960
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: necessarily like sit here and know exactly what happened, right,

961
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: or know exactly how someone should have acted or not.

962
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: I think Simona, do I think she knew what was happening.

963
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I would hope not. She fought

964
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: it really hard, which shows a sign of somebody who

965
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: really feels like they were hard done by him. And

966
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: she wouldn't let it go, right, She would not let

967
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: it go. And that makes me feel like she really

968
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: was fighting for her innocence. If that is the case,

969
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: and if you know, she was given this stuff from

970
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: her team and it fucked her over, I mean I

971
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 2: feel really really sorry for her.

972
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe it is a center situation where it was

973
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: just unknost unbelievable that it happened a couple of times.

974
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: Well the problem was Yeah, and also just the way

975
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: she spoke about how others quote unquote got away with it, Yeah,

976
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: especially when she started bringing up Eager with the melatonin stuff.

977
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: I think that was a bad look, I think, and

978
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: as hard as it would have been. And I get

979
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: it like that is they are separate situations. They are

980
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: very separate situations, and it was all of it was different.

981
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: Every single case is different. You can't It's like, how

982
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: does she get away with it?

983
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: Well?

984
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: You know why because there are reasons for them to

985
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: not have the same expansion as you. They probably had

986
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: very different facts. I mean again, it's hard because I

987
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: mean you didn't see Maria sharapover out there bitching about it. No.

988
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: I actually admired Maria sherpo more after all that because

989
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, yep, I get it. I took it.

990
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: This was on my thing. I'll take my lumps.

991
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: And I do think she has sort of semi survived

992
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 2: as far as like her like persona because of it.

993
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: I think her Republic persona is fine, but that's not rehabilitated.

994
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: Whereas for me, someone to help, I don't know, Like, yeah,

995
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: I think I don't know what it's like to be

996
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: at the top of your game and have things like

997
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: this follow you, But I do know what it is

998
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: to be talked about publicly and feel like you're not

999
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: being represented fairly, and in my experience, like keep your

1000
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: nose clean, keep your side of the street clean, act

1001
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: with integrity, and you know, focus on tomorrow and things

1002
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: will work out for you. And it feels like if

1003
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: someone help could have done that, then I think maybe

1004
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: her her career, which was a great career, which a shame,

1005
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: ended on a better note.

1006
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it was a shame. But she

1007
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: will be going into the hole of fime sure, and

1008
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: and I hope that that's a beautiful day for her

1009
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: when that happens.

1010
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a frankly a great day for Romania who

1011
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: hasn't had well, that's right. That's another reason I start

1012
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: like of her caliber since like you know, Antiacer or

1013
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: you know some others. So yeah, for me, there a

1014
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: couple were I think goodbye to a couple of really

1015
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: great players. I mentioned Alisia Corne, I mentioned Carolyne Garcia.

1016
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was your match of the year this year?

1017
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: It is hard for me not to immediately talk about

1018
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: the Egoshfiontech Madison Keys match pound for pound. The points

1019
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: in that match were the highest quality tennis for me.

1020
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: Maybe that I could come up with another couple of

1021
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: matches because I liked I like women's tennis so much

1022
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: and I watched so much of it. But maybe it

1023
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: was my personal investment because seeing somebody who has worked

1024
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: so hard for so long be on the verge of

1025
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: success and do something that even I don't think, I

1026
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: don't think is going to happen. I was surprised, I

1027
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: was entertained, and the tennis level was incredible in the

1028
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: story was unbelievable. So for me it was it was

1029
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: the semi final EGA Sheriantech versus Madison Keys in Melbourne.

1030
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think it just to throw a thing

1031
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: out there for everybody who wants to always contemplating what

1032
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: where should I go? What Grand Slam should I go to?

1033
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: You know, I always say always go the first week

1034
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 2: because you see all the best, You see so many

1035
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: great matches. Yes, and you just have a plethora of

1036
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: things to watch. But if you're going to spend coin

1037
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: on a day to go and watch, yes, of course

1038
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: men's final, you're always gonna get Alcorscinner, you're gonna get

1039
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: an epic match. Probably, although you were open was a

1040
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: bit ma but I would say men's final and women's

1041
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: semi finals day, because that's where you get the best matches.

1042
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 2: So often you get some incredible semi final women's matches

1043
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: that are just back to back and they're awesome, including

1044
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: you are correct my match of the year also Maddi

1045
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: keys against Eagers Yon Tech, Maddi keys down a match point,

1046
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: comes back. I mean it was just I was courtside

1047
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: for the match. The atmosphere, the tennis, everything about that

1048
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: match was just dramatic, amazing, The quality was outrageous. There

1049
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: was a bit of drama between you know, Eger going

1050
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: off the court and coming back and Maddie sort of

1051
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: staring down from the service, you know, when she was

1052
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: about to serve. It just had everything that you wanted.

1053
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: And the crowd support was fairly even a little bit

1054
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 2: more on Maddie's side, just because I think they knew

1055
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: the storyline. It was Australian tennis fans are really quite knowledgeable,

1056
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: so rooting for somebody who hadn't won a Slam, and

1057
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: Maddie's always done well in Australia, She's had her best,

1058
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: you know, had arguably her first real success there, and

1059
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: so I think that that match had it all. I mean,

1060
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: it had it all, and it was unreal to sit

1061
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 2: and watch and see that match and then I and

1062
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: then the final was also as I mean, incredible, It

1063
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: just it just it was probably my number equal to

1064
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: match was the final of this Train Open, because again,

1065
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: the drama was unri the last game. Just go watch

1066
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: the last game. Actually go watch the last like five

1067
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 2: games of that match. It was unbelievable. And the world

1068
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: feed is Josh Eagle, who's bub Brishette's husband, and really

1069
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: maybe he was doing it with I think Laura Robson

1070
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: was on the side of the called who's one of

1071
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 2: Madison Keys's best friends, and maybe Chander Ruben. I'm not

1072
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: sure who was in the booth with him, but I

1073
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: remember Josh's reaction when she won, and also a game

1074
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: when she broke and his reaction to that was just

1075
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: like laughing because it was just the tennis was so

1076
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: insanely good. So the women's semi final between Maddie.

1077
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: And what is that tie with you said the final.

1078
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: Was number two and I drew the Osaka and a

1079
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: Samova semi final of the US was definitely up there

1080
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: with one of the matches of the year. The drama,

1081
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: the comeback from Amanda Naomi looking like maybe she's going

1082
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: to get to another US Open final, you know, can

1083
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: I mean Eager Eager's match with Anna Samova was also fantastic,

1084
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: But that match to me also had all of the drama.

1085
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: It had all the drama. You had an American playing

1086
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: against Osaka, who's basically the American grew up in Queens

1087
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: and so for me that was just that match was

1088
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: also incredible.

1089
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what I liked about that match even

1090
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: though I watched it the next KIX because I fell

1091
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: asleep and I already knew what happened was.

1092
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: Which is fine because it did finish at like one thirty.

1093
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I can't with the lad nats, which

1094
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: is why I like European tennis so much, because they

1095
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: can watch it like in the middle of the day.

1096
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 2: It was the best day of the year. Was those

1097
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: two back to back seventy five all in Sabalanca.

1098
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: Unbelievable back to back finals. I think for me, the

1099
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: ansium of a storyline was so good too, because you

1100
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: knew she was going to get another shot at it. Yeah,

1101
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: and I also didn't know what was.

1102
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: Going to happen to backing up beating Eager as well,

1103
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: like come on like unbelievable, just absolutely, She's going to

1104
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: learn so much from those matches, from her debacle in

1105
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: the final of Wimbledon, and then coming back and playing

1106
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: such good tennis to make another final, and then to

1107
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 2: sort of not handle the moment great again in the final,

1108
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: she had it much better than she did at Wimbledon.

1109
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: But the growth that she would which is why I

1110
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: think she can win that's slam yest year because the

1111
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: growth she would have learned from Wimbledon's final to the

1112
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 2: US Opens final to knowing now what the next step

1113
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: is of how to handle that final and how to

1114
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: be a better player. And I think that's why I

1115
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: was so impressed with what she did at the WTA finals,

1116
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: because again she overcame for me an emotional hurdle to

1117
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: get through the semis. I'm just like, she's growing exponentially.

1118
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: When I coach people, I talk about building homes, like

1119
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: with them sort of like if they have a week

1120
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: forehand or serve, I'm like, Okay, we're building a house.

1121
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: You have the foundation, your groundstrokes are great. You have

1122
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: the side walls and the roof because you move really well. Okay,

1123
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: the windows are in because you are emotionally really good. Right,

1124
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: So I'm sort of like you think about.

1125
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: This metaphor is really expanding. So like building, you know,

1126
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: it's like storm gutters, what about your but windowsills.

1127
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: Have the furniture in there because you are losing your

1128
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: shit here, or you don't volley well, so you're not

1129
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: going to have any electronics in this house at all.

1130
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 2: So you know, it's kind of like a metaphor for

1131
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: them to understand that building a house is not just

1132
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: a foundation, it's everything else that comes with it. And

1133
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: with you can be a great player, but playing great

1134
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 2: tennis in big matches is a whole different story. Yeah,

1135
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: you know, and so oh that girls really hits the

1136
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: ball well, and then you should see her player match.

1137
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: She's a fucking disaster and she under her back in

1138
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: end from a big point whatever it is. Everyone has weaknesses, right,

1139
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: And so as a great player, Amanda and asimover hits

1140
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: the ball unbelievable. She's moving better. She could probably get

1141
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 2: a little a little bit quicker, but it's just handling

1142
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: the big moments now and if she can when she

1143
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: starts doing that, and I'm talking, she's handled big moments. Yeah,

1144
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: I don't get me wrong, but doing it the next step,

1145
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: like Maddie Keys to win a major is a very

1146
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: different story. And we saw Maddie she was a disaster

1147
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: in the finals against Loan Stevens years and years and

1148
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: years ago and then comes back and you know when

1149
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: she gets another opportunity in the final, she fucking says,

1150
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: I'm taking it now. So I just I'm hoping that

1151
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: Amanda has that same mentality and maybe she should just

1152
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 2: go and have a chat with Mattie Keys.

1153
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: About her hand. I'm really excited to talk about the

1154
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: man next week and sort of in review. We have

1155
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: a very funny piece up on the site right now

1156
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: at racketmag dot com, our resident advice columnist Melissa Kenny

1157
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: has written down the top cringiest moments on tour, and

1158
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: it won't shock you to learn that most of them

1159
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: were committed by men. However, one of the ones she

1160
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: called out was.

1161
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: The coss to Penko Taylor Townsend.

1162
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: No, actually good, I also make o Taylor Townsend was

1163
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: not on there, But the one that was was Sabalanca's

1164
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: apology tour after handling the French open of uh press

1165
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: conference very badly and then doing a TikTok dance with

1166
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:32,959
Speaker 1: Coco at Wimbledon, which just.

1167
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 2: Felt so staged but a little stage for sure. But also,

1168
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: you know what, listen, it's better than being a c

1169
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: you next Tuesday, right every single week and just not realizing.

1170
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: No, it's not better. I think it's cooler to be

1171
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: a c next Tuesday and just go with it, go

1172
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: with the persona. I don't want to pretend kriiktalk dance interesting. Yeah,

1173
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: but I need villains.

1174
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: But I think that Sablanca has that personality right. He's

1175
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 2: just like she is a villain and fucking hate Snozing

1176
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: and doesn't. But then she also has this like playful,

1177
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: sort of fun side of her.

1178
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: I just if I were a Coco, I had been like, no,

1179
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do a dance with you, listen,

1180
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm here for the I'm here for the drama.

1181
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: So anyway, the read the piece, comment about the piece,

1182
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: we'll talk about more.

1183
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: Can talk about any controversial past.

1184
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: I think most of the again, most of the bad

1185
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: cringy moments happened because the men were misbehaving. Definitely, obviously,

1186
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, Medvedev is a massive.

1187
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: My my man. Losing his ship for sure, it was

1188
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: Medvedev this year with his disaster in Washington and then

1189
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: he flipped of just leaving his rackets on the court

1190
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: in Canada.

1191
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: Hopefully you talked about you talked to him about it

1192
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: when he I did.

1193
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: Reilly hope he goes. He went to the Maldives and

1194
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: he really chilled out and he started doing meditation, and

1195
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 2: he can come back and play well next year because

1196
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: we need Meddi. We need Meddie. The US opened to

1197
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 2: barcle with the umpire, which by the way, he did

1198
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: get screwed on. That was fucking stupid where the photographer

1199
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: he walked on the person in the middle.

1200
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: Of the yes, but then starting a riot. We have

1201
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,479
Speaker 1: to talk about it next week when we talk about

1202
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: the men. But I will say we've we've alluded to

1203
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of the bad behavior. Like I said, Osta.

1204
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: Panco Islet Townsend situation was just a debuco so nuts

1205
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: that it's hard to there's not a teachable moment.

1206
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: It's not a category for her. Well, it's just more like,

1207
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: of course she's going to turn it into chaos, whereas

1208
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: I feel like Nomasaka grow up and re Sablanca channel

1209
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: your emotions into something positive, as should mirror Andreva. Maybe

1210
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: Belinda Benchach can join this podcast as a behavior analyst,

1211
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: a behavioral therapist for you. All the players are all right,

1212
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: what else do we have?

1213
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: I just want to I do want to just give

1214
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: a just do a little bit of a quick I

1215
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: want to say well done to Benchitch obviously getting to

1216
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: eleven in the world. She started the year at nine

1217
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: hundred and thirteen. Jesus, I wrote it down, nine hundred

1218
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: and thirteen. That's unbelievable a journey Katie McNally. Great for

1219
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 2: her to come back from injury. She was gone from

1220
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 2: eight to one hundred and seventeen to eight one in

1221
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: the world. She's back inside the top one hundred.

1222
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: Love that kid's game. An all quarter comes to the

1223
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: netch She's not much tighter than me, but really really

1224
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: throws herself at it and attacks, which I really like,

1225
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: and had a good run at her hometown YEP tournament

1226
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: in Ohio YEP.

1227
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: I just I really like that. Vicky Mumbuko went from

1228
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty three to start the year to

1229
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: twenty in the world. Unbelievable. Boisson is forty five in

1230
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: the world now after you know, starting the almost at

1231
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: three hundred and maya joint A little Aussie has gone

1232
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: from one hundred and nineteen to thirty two. Eastbourne. Yeah,

1233
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: in one of the most unbelievable matches and finals of

1234
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,479
Speaker 2: the year. Go watch it. It was like twenty thousand match

1235
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: points with both of them, her and alex Ayala. That

1236
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: match was humble, that could go down.

1237
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: That's a very good matter, you're rely The tie breaking

1238
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,959
Speaker 1: the third was insane. It's certainly one of the best

1239
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: matches that under five thousand people watched in Prison one.

1240
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: But well, let me tell you those fans in Eastbourne,

1241
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: five thousand that were there, Yeah, they love every minutes

1242
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: of that match because they don't really The East one

1243
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: fans don't really care if they have a superstar. They

1244
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: just want tennis.

1245
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: That's how I feel.

1246
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: That's the Well, that's your tournament, Caitlin, that's where you

1247
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: really think Eastbourne. Sophia Canon back to twenty eight in

1248
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: the world, down from eighty six. Well done to her.

1249
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: Hopefully she can because boy can she play some good tennis.

1250
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: Tatiana Maria throwing it out there with the slices forehand

1251
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: and back and wins Queens this year. Love that is

1252
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: at you know, got herself back up to forty one

1253
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 2: in the world with two kids, traveling full time on

1254
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: the unbelievable story Tooson, as I said, got to twelve

1255
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: in the world, up from fifty two. Of course, Amanda

1256
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: Anissimova's rise unbelievable thirty six to four in the world,

1257
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: and Iva Djovich one hundred and ninety one to thirty

1258
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: five in the world.

1259
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: This young America is scary good.

1260
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: And also this Janice jen went from five hundred and

1261
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: seventy eight to fifty three in the world. So a

1262
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: lot of these players that made these big jumps, cong

1263
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: congrats to them.

1264
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: Yes, till in a year's time when we're recapping the

1265
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: year and we're talking about Cinderella's and you know, all

1266
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: of a sudden my adjoint is one of the you know,

1267
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: finalists at Islam, we can say we talked about it here.

1268
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: Or Iva Djovic, who I think for a lot of

1269
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: folks has been kind of like Joafon Sika, like a

1270
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: very very promising junior who's now starting to translate that

1271
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: onto the pro tour. So it's really fun for me.

1272
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: Like one of the things as we talk about some

1273
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: of the year end best moments, worst moments, Cinderella stories, retirements.

1274
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: Is just what I love so much about tennis, not

1275
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: just women's tennis, is that it referred it's a constantly

1276
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: replenishing pool of stories, right, like everything cycles out like

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00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: next year this time we'll be talking about who knows

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Speaker 1: what and who came out of nowhere and who may

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Speaker 1: be retired out of nowhere or who maybe had a really

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00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: surprising turn of events and you just never know. And

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00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: to me, that for tennis, because each of these individual

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00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: players plays so differently and it comes with such a

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00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: different mental perspective, like I have no idea what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. I can tell you who I want to

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00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: win and some of the games I prefer, But the

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Speaker 1: fact of the matter is like going into next year,

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Speaker 1: who knows?

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00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: And we're going to end on this speaking of the

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00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 2: who knows, the biggest story possibly Oh my god, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six is Serena Williams coming back to play on

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Speaker 2: the tour. She says on her Twitter, hell no, but

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Speaker 2: the little uh back in the testing pool for four

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01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: months that it says other ways tell you something? Can

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01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: I put your testing pool before you ask me this question?

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01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: Putting yourself in the testing pool is a friggin nightmare

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01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: for anyone out there. That's the thing that Vondrosova was

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01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: complaining about a couple of weeks ago on her Instagram about,

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Speaker 2: Oh I was having dinner at home at seven pm

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Speaker 2: and someone just comes and knocks on my door and

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01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: wants to take, you know, a sample. That's bullshit. I'm like,

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01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: well it is. Yes, it does suck, I'm going to say.

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01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: And normally what you have to do is every single

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01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: player will put in six am or seven am, because

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01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: most people will be in their homes at six am

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01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: or seven am when they go to test you, so

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01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: you don't want to miss a test, right, But they

1307
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: also do have random tests where they come at any time.

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: It's a nightmare. So Serena would have had to tell

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01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: them everywhere she was every day at what time, you know,

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01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: for four months and she's probably been tested like ten

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Speaker 2: times already. It's a fucking nightmare. So why would you

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01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: do that if you didn't want to play something?

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Speaker 1: Do you have an is that information? I do not?

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Speaker 1: Oh you sure?

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01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm one hundred percent sure. Well I know that

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01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: she's went in the testing pool. She has been in

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01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: it for months. I do know that. But is she

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01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: definitively one hundred percent coming back and has she talked

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Speaker 2: to me about that? No?

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Speaker 1: Well, as a close personal friend of Serena's, I can

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01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: tell you that she has told me.

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Speaker 2: That she is. No.

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Speaker 1: Of course I don't know, but I think for me,

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01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: her coming back makes all of sense in the world.

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Speaker 1: Why it's not exactly flattering to her, but I think

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01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: she is bored and I think she thinks she can

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Speaker 1: still do it. Listen, Serena Williams's greatest strength to me

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01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: in addition to having and here I will say something

1329
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: extremely nice because I mean it, and it's also obviously true,

1330
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: like the greatest, most complete game that's ever step foot

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Speaker 1: on a female tennis cart. No, of course, listen, maybe

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01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: you can take issue with what her slices aren't not

1333
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: that good, like Siren Williams is the greatest.

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Speaker 2: No, there is a player of all time. Serena had

1335
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: no weaknesses, her volleys were not great. But other than that,

1336
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: winters all over the place, Devil's titles with her sister

1337
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 2: and for gold medals. But yes, but do you know

1338
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: how many people are winning double's titles?

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Speaker 1: Bolly now maybe many, but I think Sirriena Williams, it

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Speaker 1: psychologically makes sense. She wants to be in the center

1341
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Speaker 1: of the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Okay. And I swear on my life, and I am

1343
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: positive that she's probably looking at these matches and thinking

1344
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 2: I could still do that, I can still move well,

1345
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: I can still play a really highly unbelievable And she's

1346
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: been very honest about her being on you know, her

1347
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: GLP ones or out of it, and that she's lost

1348
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: a lot of weight because of it. After having her kids.

1349
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: It was really hard for her to lose the weight.

1350
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: And I know I can tell you for a fact

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01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 2: she works so hard on the court when when I

1352
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: was with her before the US Open and during the

1353
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: US you know, she is putting in the hours on

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Speaker 2: the court. She's not just slapping it out there. She's

1355
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 2: working hard. She's in the gym, she eats well, and

1356
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: she you know, this is turbo boosted, that metabolism to

1357
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 2: get back into working order after having her kids and stuff.

1358
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 2: So here's my guess, and I swear on my life.

1359
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, obviously we're close, and you

1360
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: know she may have made a phone call to me

1361
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: at the US open just to sort of be like,

1362
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: what's going on here kind of thing, but but never

1363
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: has said yes, I'm definitively coming back and this is

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01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 2: where I'm going to play. But if she were to,

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01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: I think the thing that she'll do is try and

1366
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 2: get herself some matches. If she were to come back,

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01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: play some tournaments, and maybe her goal is to play

1368
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: well at Wimbledon, because she didn't play well at wimbled

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01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: in the last couple of years she played there. Right,

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01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: she heard herself really badly, had to be like carried

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01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 2: off the court two years ago when she tore a

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01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: hamstring I think it was, and then the next year

1373
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: losing to Harmony Tan in that debacle.

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Speaker 1: Well probably the worst match of I think everthing.

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Speaker 2: She's probably ever played. And so she doesn't have great

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01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 2: memories at a place that is only usually good memories

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01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: for her. So maybe she wants just get herself an

1378
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: opportunity to play at least some decent tennis at Wimbledon.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but listen, I'm gonna be honest. I

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01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: hope she comes back just for the storyline and just

1381
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 2: to see how she does. She's fit, she doesn't have

1382
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: the injuries to her knees anymore. She's given herself a break,

1383
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 2: and if she can physically do it, why not give

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01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:20,479
Speaker 2: it a try.

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01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyway she's not gonna try. All right, Well,

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01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: I think so. I didn't believe her denail at all.

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Speaker 2: Let's end it.

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01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: I think she wants to come back on her own

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01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: terms and have the cover of the magazine and have

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01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: the event that announces.

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01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 2: Do you think she's doing it because she's bored. I

1392
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: think she's doing it because she wants to have better

1393
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 2: memories before she retires, particularly at Wimbledon again. And I

1394
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: guess in the end it's all up to her to

1395
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: decide what she wants to do. So twenty twenty five,

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01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen and everyone in between, it has been

1397
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 2: a fabulous year for women's tennis. We had four different

1398
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: winners of the majors, which I'll take every year because

1399
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: that is so fur hundred percent, and we had some

1400
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: uprises of some great young players, particularly in Victoria Mumboco.

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01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: And I'm fucking pumped for twenty twenty six. I'm ready

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01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: for it. And if Serena Williams comes back to give

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01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: us a little added story, we will be here for it.

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01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: In Challa, all right.

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01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 2: Thanks everybody, Thanks everybody, and Laurie down the street, thanks

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01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 2: for listening to us. We'll see you next week, guys,

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Speaker 2: maybe