WEBVTT - #786 Packers Unscripted: Critique of Cleveland 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.480 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.919 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined as always 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.479 by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.480 here from our studios at Lambeufield, Wes back from Cleveland, 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.040 where the Packers opened the preseason with an all around 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.320 solid impressive performance. I thought twenty three to ten was 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:38.960 the final score, but it wasn't even so much those numbers. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.400 It was everything we saw right from the beginning where 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.479 you couldn't have scripted it any better. For the Packers 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.800 number one offense, third and five, just hit Dontavian Wicks 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.800 for a sixty five yard touchdown and call it a night. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:56.720 One play, one catch, one sixty five yard touchdown for 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.760 Dontavian Wicks. It doesn't get much easier than that. As 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.720 far as his evening. But I wrote this in our 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.040 Insider inbox, Calm, I really mean this. I mean it's 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.720 not there's only so much you're gonna be able to 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.479 do as far as your scheme and what you want 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:13.280 to run out there. It's more about, as Malifor says, 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.720 going through the pre practice process, going through your walkthroughs, 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.440 being able to kind of get your process down before 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.040 the game and then going out there and building some confidence. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.360 And that's what Jordan Love and the offense did. A 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.839 great throw by Jordan Love, an incredible job by Dantavian 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.600 Wicks getting open on third down, and then once he 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.480 got that one on one matchup with the safety, you know, 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.240 he was off to the races and the number one 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:38.319 offenses night was over. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.600 Yeah, and lost a little bit in that too, just 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.600 because the Packers lost a couple of yards on second down, 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.640 but right out of the gate, Josh Jacobs rips off 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.800 a seven yard run. You're sitting in second and three 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.720 after one play, So a good start. They got exactly 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:54.840 what they wanted out that. As you said, it was 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.400 really more about going through all the pregame stuff and 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.880 really the mental side of that, I think has been 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.760 Matt Luffler's point of just getting mentally ready to play 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.560 a football game so that when it's Brazil and it's 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.600 Week one and it's against the Eagles, that whole pregame 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.640 routine is not suddenly, oh, we're starting over like this 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.920 brand new. So on the defensive side, for the number 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:24.280 one unit, a couple guys not available, but gave up 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.840 a field goal to the Browns on their opening drive. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.840 But when you look at the numbers, they only gave 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.920 up twenty seven yards. Yeah, good field position for the 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:34.760 Browns at the start of the drive. The field goal 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.840 ended up being fifty five yards, which was a heck 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:38.920 of a kick by their kicker. By the way, Hey York, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.040 Yeah that was that was That was quite the boot. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.400 But you know, gave up twenty seven yards. And then 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.640 from there some of the substitutions and rotations and whatnot began. 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.720 And as the game went on, I thought, when you 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.440 look at the bulk of the game was played with 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.959 twos versus twos for the most part, and I thought 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:04.480 the Packers clearly had the better depth. I think it showed. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.640 I thought in the trenches in particular, both what the 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.560 Packers offensive line was doing after a couple of rough 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.760 plays early on then they settled in, and what the 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.200 Packers defensive line was doing. I thought Green Bay second 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.239 units controlled the line of scrimmage both days, and that's 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.400 how the Packers ended up building a twenty three to 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.560 three lead, you know, as the game went along. 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.080 Yeah, and when you look at the running totals, especially 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.080 one hundred and fifty five rushing yards too. I believe 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.239 it was fifty six or fifty seven for the Cleveland Browns. 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:35.640 I mean, they just dominated them in terms of being 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:37.320 able to move the line of scrimmage and then Emmanuel 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.160 Wilson having a really good night behind it. Jarvian Howard 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.800 also coming in in the fourth quarter four carries I 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.720 should say eight carries for forty four yards. Just really 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.640 were continually able to be able to push the line 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.600 of scrimmage and move the chains. I'll say this though, 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.320 the tone changed in this game for me, and I 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.440 felt like it never went back in terms of the 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.000 Browns where they did get a little bit of a 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.960 series together with Jamis Winston on that first drive, but 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:08.200 Lucas van Nasks along with DNT DeVante Wyatt, yeah, combined 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.119 to pressure and then sack Jamis Winston on first down 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.760 for a seven yard loss. Browns weren't able to get 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.520 anything back from that. That's what led to the Kate 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:21.400 Yorke fifty five yarder. Overall, I thought the Packers defensive front. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.640 Mike and I wrote about this, or I actually said 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.320 it in our Final Thoughts video the Packers win this 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.680 game if the defensive front keeps doing what they were doing. Now, 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:35.120 Cleveland has some mobile quarterbacks, you know when you look 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.680 at Tyler hunt Lay obviously Jamis, you know, has that 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.719 kind of type of versatility of this game. And then 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:45.760 seeing them be able to pressure the way they did 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.560 and with a few exceptions not allowing the quarterbacks for 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.880 Cleveland have much time in the pocket. Three sacks total, 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.120 five quarterback hits, and I just felt like Cleveland's offense 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.880 was really never able to get comfortable, and that's because 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.479 the Packers defensive front was sending way after wave. He 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.479 saw it. Even with Brenton Cox at the end of 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.400 the game. I mean, he wasn't able to wrap up 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:07.920 the quarterback in the fourth quarter, but. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.680 He had a really good shot at a sack there. 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.080 The pressure that he was able to generate off that, 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.320 I just felt like, again going back and schemes are vanilla, 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.480 but physicality's physicality, and the Packers definitely out physical the Browns. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.360 Yeah, I agree with you entirely. I thought I thought 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.799 Lucas van Ness was a was a steady, disruptive presence 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.000 out there, which you would hope and expect from a 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.800 first round pick in his second season going against reserve players, 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:37.320 and Lucas van Ness looked like exactly that Devonte Wyatt, 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.960 as you mentioned, he looked. He looked quick and explosive 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.320 off the ball. The more we see it, the more 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.440 it just seems that this defensive scheme really fits Devonte 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.880 Wyatt and he has the potential to really thrive. And then, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.119 I don't know, we talk we talk about these guys 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.600 as as two p's in a pod sometimes even though 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.400 they're very different players, but they were drafted together. Colby 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.560 Wooden and Carl Brooks on the defensive line wouldn't got 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.839 a sack in this game. I thought. Brooks also, you know, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.800 did his share of things that what the Packers have 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.400 on this defensive line in terms of the rotation and 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.000 the depth and and everything, it really bodes well. And 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:18.960 then when Matt Lafleur gives the the halftime interview and 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.800 he basically basically says, you know, well, we're just looking 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:23.880 to get a turnover now. And then on the first 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:28.880 play of the second half, Evan Williams, the rookie safety, 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.359 coming up to make to make the tackle on a 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.960 screen pass which had set up pretty well for Cleveland. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.600 But but boom, he's able to punch the ball out. 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.440 Christian Weltz, the linebacker, recovers and right on the opening 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.120 play of the second half, the Packers defense gets the 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.200 turnover that it wanted. And again another example of just 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.600 when Evan Williams is on the field, he finds a 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.520 way to make plays. He's just he's always around the football. 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.520 He's got that, he's got that nose for it, as 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.520 they say. And what we saw on the practice field 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.599 for you know, two three weeks with Evan Williams obviously 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.080 was not some kind of a fluke because he goes 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.800 in there half a dozen tackles, loses his helmet on 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.360 one of them, you know, the whole thing, and gets 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:12.800 credit with that force fumble. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.320 Yeah, and to have six tackles on twenty three defensive snaps. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.160 But that force fumble I thought was just such a 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.800 heady play because Cleveland they had the right counter. When 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.080 when the Packers are being really aggressive, they're getting a 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.200 lot of pressure, what do you do to kind of 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:27.800 take the air out of the blown a lot. You 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.800 go back to the screen game and that's what they 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.280 did there. But Williams showing the type of player he is. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.040 He not only punched it out, but talking to him 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.480 in the locker room afterwards, he mentioned, as soon as 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.760 that ball came out, he's looking for it. As he says, though, 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.040 he saw Green jersey, which was Christian Weltz, jump on 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:44.520 and he knew they had the ball. He knew they 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.800 got what they wanted out of that drive, and Green 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:48.640 Bay was able to really just control the rest of 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:52.760 the game from there. But green Bay Packers, Man, they 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.600 overload these positions. We've talked about a time and time 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.480 again in the draft, and it just seems like more 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.840 often than not they find ways to not just find 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.640 one contributor out of that, but two, sometimes even three. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.240 And this Sevin Williams kids out of Oregon. I always 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.800 find these stories interesting too, because he plays at Fresno 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.800 State transfers to Oregon. He doesn't have like these monster 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.920 like interception numbers, but he comes into camp for the 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.520 Packers thirteen practices, four interceptions, then finds another way to 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:20.680 make a play on Saturday. 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:25.800 Yeah. The what the Packers have done at the safety position, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.760 you know, we talked about it obviously all off season. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.160 It was a complete revamping in a reset. I mean 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.640 in terms of, you know, the guys who played the 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.480 snaps at safety last year, Anthony Johnson Junior as a 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.560 rookie seventh round pick last year, he was the only 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:45.160 one who came back. The other safeties were special teamers. 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.000 They didn't really play from defense, and the rest of it. 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.240 Xavier McKinney, the three draft picks. We haven't even seen 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.840 much of katan Ola Dapo yet. Hopefully, you know, he 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.080 maybe gets more of a chance to play against Denver 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.040 and Baltimore and these last two preseason games as he 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:06.959 tries to show what he has. But the complete overhaul 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.760 of the position, at least to this point, and the 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.199 Packers haven't played a game for real yet, I get that, 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.840 but at least to this point, that complete overhaul the 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:20.319 position could not have gone any better for Brian Gudokunstan 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.040 the personnel staff in terms of what they gave this 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.040 new defensive coaching staff to work with. 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.680 Well. And I was asking Xavier McKinney this last week when, 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.960 you know, because he had another interception of practice off 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.000 at Jordan Love, and you know, I didn't want to 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:33.640 make it sound like it was too big of a 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.240 deal because It's like it is practice. You know, there's 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.680 things happening, you know, and I kind of cushion my 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.680 question that way. But then the way that Xavier answered 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.880 it is like no, I mean, interceptions are are the 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.120 most important thing. That's how you get paid in this league. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.160 And again you will see what it looks like when 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.720 you get to Brazil and when Indianapolis comes to Green Bay. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.560 But if positions or players aren't making plays and they're 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.200 being quiet, that's not a good thing in training camp. 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.600 The fact that all these safeties from Anthony Johnson Junior 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.680 to the franchise addition in Xavier McKay, the fact that 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.360 all these guys have made noteworthy performances and been noticeable 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.840 this offseason. I just if you're the Packers in this defense, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:17.640 they didn't have a lot of holes Mike coming off 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.880 of that run last year, and the way they finished 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:21.880 the season with how many returning players they came back. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.000 How many times did we hear Brian Goodikuinz talk about 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.319 how you know they had seventy two players I think 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.560 on the roster before the draft. It just shows you 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.839 they had so many returning bodies. Very unique that they 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.080 had that many guys coming. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.280 Back function of having such a young team a year ago. 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.400 Absolutely, and they fought through that. They got through it 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.280 the first half of last season, and now here they 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.880 are with what appears to be a position group that 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.240 they heavily invested into because they had the resources, and 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:46.960 it's paying off. 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.240 Yeah, And Matt Lafleur said after the game that, you know, 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.360 Jeff Hafley had a pretty simple call sheet. It was 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.120 very vanilla scheme wise. It's not like he was dialing 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.439 up a bunch of blitzer or anything. But that was 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.800 by design not only to not necessarily show things and 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:06.360 put certain schemes on film, but the objective was to 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.360 see what was to get the play style, the you know, 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.920 the the attacking, the you know, all the hats to 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.520 the football kind of thing. And that's exactly how this 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.559 Packers defense played, whether it was the first unit, the 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.319 second unit, the third unit. That's the way they played 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.800 in this preseason opener, and they they got what they wanted. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.400 Infma add in there as well when you're talking about 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.560 the vanilla schemes and everything else, but you look at 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.599 what happened where the defensive line, or excuse me, the 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.880 offensive line, for the Packers goes out the second team, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.000 the team is out there, they aren't able to get 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.000 much room for aj Dillon. The stats are what they are. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.920 They get stuffed on fourth down. But how that group 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.880 settled in, how Sean Ryan settled in at center, how 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.079 Jacob Munk played like ninety five percent of the snaps, 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.960 the way he performed between center and guard. You know, 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:56.240 it just you could tell the Packers, with the experience level, 0:11:56.280 --> 0:12:00.439 the talent level, once they got that train moving, there 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.280 really wasn't anything Clayland was gonna be able to do 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:02.760 to stop it. 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.640 Yeah, and I like that you brought up those guys 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.480 on the offensive line because that's where I was going 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.520 to go next. I thought, for as much as things 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.320 are still very much up in the air, there's not 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.600 a whole lot of clarity in terms of the backup 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:18.040 offensive tackle. You know, Andre Dillard, Kadem Telfort, Caleb Jones, 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:22.360 they all played, and the coaches are evaluating all those snaps, 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.680 and there's still two more preseason games to go to 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.080 see how that sorts itself out. But man, when you 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.880 look at what Sean Ryan did with his snaps at 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.680 center in this game, you look at what Jacob Monk 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.960 did the rookie out of Duke. You really have to 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.280 like what the Packers appear to be, appear to be 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:46.920 developing in terms of the reserves and possibly future options. However, 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.600 you want to look at it at these interior positions 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.440 on the offensive line, because because both of those guys, 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.880 definitely I thought they were as as that number two 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.000 offensive line, you know, as we've talked about settled in 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.960 after you know, a couple of hiccups on that early 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.760 short yard of sequence with Dylan. As that group settled in, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.960 I thought Ryan and Monk were kind of the anchors, yeah, 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.520 you know in that group, in the way that they performed, 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.960 the way they got after guys. You know, we saw 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:16.960 both We saw both of them kind of leading the 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.000 way on that on that toss sweep that was in 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.000 the red zone where Emmanuel Wilson's making his way to 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.240 the outside and you see these couple of big guys, 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.080 you know, trying to clear some bodies out in space 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.280 like that. I thought that was pretty impressive and I 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.760 think I think it bodes well for what the Packers 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.000 are developing depth wise on that interior. 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.120 Yeah, and I wrote about Sean Ryan this week about 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.679 how you know, he played left tackle thirty one game 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.000 starter at UCLA. He comes to Green Bay, he had 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.559 to learn guard. That took a full season. He was 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.480 away from the team a little bit. Comes back last 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.439 year and he ends up in a rotation with John Runyon, 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.000 who then goes and gets a ten million dollar a 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.760 year contract with the New York Giants. Even still, he 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.160 didn't come back this offseason thinking, Okay, I've just won 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.440 my spot. I'm good. He knew he still had to 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.600 compete competing to start at right guard, and he also 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.880 understood that he needed to add center to his repertoire 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.880 as well. The Packers I think pretty well established at 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:09.880 this point in time. You got that top six, it's 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.400 just going to be kind of a question now is 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.400 it going to be Jordan Morgan, who's still dealing with 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.840 the shoulder, or will it be Ryan at right guard? Yeah? 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.000 Either way, Ryan gives you some versatility interior offensive line. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.600 That's only six guys, though you need eight on the 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.760 game day roster in order to get that forty eight 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:24.440 spot where. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.640 You're most likely going to have ten on your fifty 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.680 three man roster. Yeah, it's all said and done. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.240 Somewhere in that area. So that's where it comes down to. Obviously, 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.200 Jacob Munk being back, I thought he looked a lot 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.880 more comfortable at guard. Certainly he played a lot of 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.200 center at Duke, but you know, some of the snap 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.360 stuff has been sort of a work in progress throughout camp. 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.000 I thought him getting the reps at guard, you could 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.680 just see that confidence building him throughout the game. And 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.520 then obviously at the media availability with the assistant coaches 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.200 on Monday, I think Luke Buckis probably had the line 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:52.720 of the entire presser saying that. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.520 Well I put it in the headline on our posting 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:56.720 on the website. 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.040 But saying that, you know, he was ready to go 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.200 out there and rip somebody's lips off, and and he 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.040 played that way. So but the swing tackle thing is 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.160 still very much up in the air with Caleb Jones 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:09.160 and Kadeem Telford, obviously Andre Dillard the veteran, and then 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:10.640 you know, trying to figure out who's going to come 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.920 out through that. Travis Glover, the sixth round pick. Yukie's 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.440 still in there as well for this thing. Royce Newman, 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.840 veteran now in his fourth season, figuring out how those 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.680 pieces are going to fit into this offensive line, are 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.760 going to be critical for the Packers, and honestly, I'm very, 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.600 very curious to see how all that ends up sorting 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.440 itself out here the last two preseason games. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.120 Yeah, I want to talk some more about some of 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.200 the individual standouts on offense for the Packers, but I 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.960 don't want to forget about our sponsor business. Here. Serious 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.160 XM NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.720 the minute NFL news that true football fanatics need. Twenty 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.680 four to seven, three sixty five and ed Cousin subs. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.240 We have something for everyone like our Wisconsin cheese curds, 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.480 mac and cheese, golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.680 with your favorite sub or sub and a bowl Cousin 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:59.120 Subs fifty plus years of better. All Right, we've talked 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.720 a little bit about A Wilson already. I don't think 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.800 anybody was surprised at what he did against Cleveland. He 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.840 came out in that preseason opener as an undrafted rookie 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.040 last year in Cincinnati and kind of lit the world 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:18.720 on fire. And Wilson ran just he runs hard. He did, 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.840 he did what he always does, and I believe I 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.800 saw a statistic that of his sixty seven rushing yards 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.880 which were the which was the high for the game, 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.480 fifty of those sixty seven were after contact, So that 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.400 says something about about his style. But the other individual 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.960 offensively that needs to be talked about here of courses 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:42.000 wide receiver Grant Dubos. We had talked about him through 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.160 the first you know, few weeks of camp. Is he 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.520 going to be able to carry over what he's been 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.440 doing on the practice field into the game. And lo 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:54.360 and behold, he did five catches on six targets. I 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:59.840 believe sixty six yards was the number and not to 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:04.280 And it's not just the statistics. It was two really 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.400 clutch catches in my opinion, that that made his night. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.720 One was on the fourth down on the right side 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.240 boundary that makes the catch to keep the drive alive 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.880 and keep the chains moving for the Packers. And then 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.760 the other one was in the two minute drill which 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.679 was actually a one minute drill at the end of 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.760 the first half with backup quarterback Sean Clifford, where Clifford 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.400 buys a little bit of time, shifts to his left 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.720 in the pocket, and he spots to Bo's and he 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.480 fires it right to the boundary and Dubo's does the 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.600 catch with the tow drag twenty three yard game gets 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.920 the Packers into field goal range to end the first 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:43.080 half with a field goal. Grant Dubo's did what he 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:48.320 needed to do in this very heated competition for you know, 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.760 at the receiver position. Now, Grant Dubo's his next step 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.600 is to do it again in Denver, Right, That's what 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.800 everybody's going to be looking for. Is this is this 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.880 game by Grant Dubo's just some kind of a one 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.400 off or is he going to do this every game 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.920 in the preseason and basically say to everybody here, I am. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:06.560 I deserve a spot on this team. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.480 One hundred percent. And the thing that's wild too, is 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.399 he actually in some ways did that at the end 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.119 of the preseason last year. It's just that he was 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.240 missed three months with that back injury. Once he got 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.560 back into games, he basically played those last two games 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.480 cold and he still was catching passes. So for him 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.840 to come out based again like what we're talking about 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.040 with Evan Williams, to see du Bos make these plays 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.640 in this game, This wasn't out of left field. He's 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:29.320 been doing this. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.720 For those of us who have been at practice every day, 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.560 and if you've been reading our coverage coverage of others 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.520 who are on the beat, what Grand Dubos did, what 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.360 Evan Williams did in this game was not a surprise 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.280 to anybody who's been watching this and following along. They did, 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.959 They did what was somewhat expected of them. You just 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.760 didn't really know if it would happen in a game 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:50.080 or not. 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:55.119 The toe dragie catch, though, is extraordinary, and again just 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:59.560 the body awareness, his ability to create separation, the fact 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.600 that much I wrote in my story the game notes afterwards, 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:08.920 I mean, he's kind of like the receiver version of Wilson, 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.600 where it's just the guy makes plays and he's kind 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.119 of sort of making himself undeniable at this point. And 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.960 the real scary thing about this is Mike. You got 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.440 to remember he was the third receiver the Packers drafted 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:28.080 last year, after Jaden Reid. In Dantavian freaking Wicks, I mean, 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.400 if Grant Dubo's I don't want to put the cart 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.080 before the horse here. I mean, there's a lot of 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:33.880 football left to be played and he needs to make 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.840 this team. But the fact that the Packers appear to 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.199 have three guys that all could play this game at 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.240 a high level, and they drafted they got him all 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:44.560 in the same draft doesn't always work out like that. 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:45.640 That's pretty extraordinary. 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:47.920