1 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined as always 3 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: here from our studios at Lambeufield, Wes back from Cleveland, 5 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: where the Packers opened the preseason with an all around 6 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: solid impressive performance. I thought twenty three to ten was 7 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: the final score, but it wasn't even so much those numbers. 8 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: It was everything we saw right from the beginning where 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: you couldn't have scripted it any better. For the Packers 10 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: number one offense, third and five, just hit Dontavian Wicks 11 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: for a sixty five yard touchdown and call it a night. 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: One play, one catch, one sixty five yard touchdown for 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: Dontavian Wicks. It doesn't get much easier than that. As 14 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: far as his evening. But I wrote this in our 15 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: Insider inbox, Calm, I really mean this. I mean it's 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: not there's only so much you're gonna be able to 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 2: do as far as your scheme and what you want 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: to run out there. It's more about, as Malifor says, 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: going through the pre practice process, going through your walkthroughs, 20 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: being able to kind of get your process down before 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: the game and then going out there and building some confidence. 22 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: And that's what Jordan Love and the offense did. A 23 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 2: great throw by Jordan Love, an incredible job by Dantavian 24 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: Wicks getting open on third down, and then once he 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: got that one on one matchup with the safety, you know, 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: he was off to the races and the number one 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: offenses night was over. 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and lost a little bit in that too, just 29 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: because the Packers lost a couple of yards on second down, 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: but right out of the gate, Josh Jacobs rips off 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: a seven yard run. You're sitting in second and three 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: after one play, So a good start. They got exactly 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: what they wanted out that. As you said, it was 34 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: really more about going through all the pregame stuff and 35 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: really the mental side of that, I think has been 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Matt Luffler's point of just getting mentally ready to play 37 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: a football game so that when it's Brazil and it's 38 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: Week one and it's against the Eagles, that whole pregame 39 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: routine is not suddenly, oh, we're starting over like this 40 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: brand new. So on the defensive side, for the number 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: one unit, a couple guys not available, but gave up 42 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: a field goal to the Browns on their opening drive. 43 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: But when you look at the numbers, they only gave 44 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: up twenty seven yards. Yeah, good field position for the 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: Browns at the start of the drive. The field goal 46 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: ended up being fifty five yards, which was a heck 47 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: of a kick by their kicker. By the way, Hey York, 48 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah that was that was That was quite the boot. 49 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: But you know, gave up twenty seven yards. And then 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: from there some of the substitutions and rotations and whatnot began. 51 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: And as the game went on, I thought, when you 52 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: look at the bulk of the game was played with 53 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: twos versus twos for the most part, and I thought 54 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: the Packers clearly had the better depth. I think it showed. 55 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: I thought in the trenches in particular, both what the 56 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: Packers offensive line was doing after a couple of rough 57 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: plays early on then they settled in, and what the 58 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: Packers defensive line was doing. I thought Green Bay second 59 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: units controlled the line of scrimmage both days, and that's 60 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: how the Packers ended up building a twenty three to 61 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: three lead, you know, as the game went along. 62 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you look at the running totals, especially 63 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty five rushing yards too. I believe 64 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 2: it was fifty six or fifty seven for the Cleveland Browns. 65 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: I mean, they just dominated them in terms of being 66 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: able to move the line of scrimmage and then Emmanuel 67 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: Wilson having a really good night behind it. Jarvian Howard 68 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: also coming in in the fourth quarter four carries I 69 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: should say eight carries for forty four yards. Just really 70 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: were continually able to be able to push the line 71 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: of scrimmage and move the chains. I'll say this though, 72 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: the tone changed in this game for me, and I 73 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: felt like it never went back in terms of the 74 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: Browns where they did get a little bit of a 75 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: series together with Jamis Winston on that first drive, but 76 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: Lucas van Nasks along with DNT DeVante Wyatt, yeah, combined 77 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 2: to pressure and then sack Jamis Winston on first down 78 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: for a seven yard loss. Browns weren't able to get 79 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: anything back from that. That's what led to the Kate 80 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: Yorke fifty five yarder. Overall, I thought the Packers defensive front. 81 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: Mike and I wrote about this, or I actually said 82 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: it in our Final Thoughts video the Packers win this 83 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: game if the defensive front keeps doing what they were doing. Now, 84 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: Cleveland has some mobile quarterbacks, you know when you look 85 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: at Tyler hunt Lay obviously Jamis, you know, has that 86 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: kind of type of versatility of this game. And then 87 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: seeing them be able to pressure the way they did 88 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: and with a few exceptions not allowing the quarterbacks for 89 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: Cleveland have much time in the pocket. Three sacks total, 90 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: five quarterback hits, and I just felt like Cleveland's offense 91 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: was really never able to get comfortable, and that's because 92 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: the Packers defensive front was sending way after wave. He 93 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: saw it. Even with Brenton Cox at the end of 94 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: the game. I mean, he wasn't able to wrap up 95 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: the quarterback in the fourth quarter, but. 96 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: He had a really good shot at a sack there. 97 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: The pressure that he was able to generate off that, 98 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: I just felt like, again going back and schemes are vanilla, 99 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: but physicality's physicality, and the Packers definitely out physical the Browns. 100 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you entirely. I thought I thought 101 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: Lucas van Ness was a was a steady, disruptive presence 102 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: out there, which you would hope and expect from a 103 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: first round pick in his second season going against reserve players, 104 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: and Lucas van Ness looked like exactly that Devonte Wyatt, 105 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he looked. He looked quick and explosive 106 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: off the ball. The more we see it, the more 107 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: it just seems that this defensive scheme really fits Devonte 108 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: Wyatt and he has the potential to really thrive. And then, 109 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 1: I don't know, we talk we talk about these guys 110 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: as as two p's in a pod sometimes even though 111 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: they're very different players, but they were drafted together. Colby 112 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: Wooden and Carl Brooks on the defensive line wouldn't got 113 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: a sack in this game. I thought. Brooks also, you know, 114 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: did his share of things that what the Packers have 115 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: on this defensive line in terms of the rotation and 116 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: the depth and and everything, it really bodes well. And 117 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: then when Matt Lafleur gives the the halftime interview and 118 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: he basically basically says, you know, well, we're just looking 119 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: to get a turnover now. And then on the first 120 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: play of the second half, Evan Williams, the rookie safety, 121 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: coming up to make to make the tackle on a 122 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: screen pass which had set up pretty well for Cleveland. 123 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: But but boom, he's able to punch the ball out. 124 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: Christian Weltz, the linebacker, recovers and right on the opening 125 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: play of the second half, the Packers defense gets the 126 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: turnover that it wanted. And again another example of just 127 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: when Evan Williams is on the field, he finds a 128 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: way to make plays. He's just he's always around the football. 129 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: He's got that, he's got that nose for it, as 130 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: they say. And what we saw on the practice field 131 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: for you know, two three weeks with Evan Williams obviously 132 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: was not some kind of a fluke because he goes 133 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: in there half a dozen tackles, loses his helmet on 134 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: one of them, you know, the whole thing, and gets 135 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: credit with that force fumble. 136 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and to have six tackles on twenty three defensive snaps. 137 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: But that force fumble I thought was just such a 138 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: heady play because Cleveland they had the right counter. When 139 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: when the Packers are being really aggressive, they're getting a 140 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: lot of pressure, what do you do to kind of 141 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: take the air out of the blown a lot. You 142 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: go back to the screen game and that's what they 143 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: did there. But Williams showing the type of player he is. 144 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: He not only punched it out, but talking to him 145 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: in the locker room afterwards, he mentioned, as soon as 146 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: that ball came out, he's looking for it. As he says, though, 147 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: he saw Green jersey, which was Christian Weltz, jump on 148 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: and he knew they had the ball. He knew they 149 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: got what they wanted out of that drive, and Green 150 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: Bay was able to really just control the rest of 151 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: the game from there. But green Bay Packers, Man, they 152 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: overload these positions. We've talked about a time and time 153 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: again in the draft, and it just seems like more 154 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: often than not they find ways to not just find 155 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: one contributor out of that, but two, sometimes even three. 156 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: And this Sevin Williams kids out of Oregon. I always 157 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: find these stories interesting too, because he plays at Fresno 158 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: State transfers to Oregon. He doesn't have like these monster 159 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: like interception numbers, but he comes into camp for the 160 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: Packers thirteen practices, four interceptions, then finds another way to 161 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: make a play on Saturday. 162 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. The what the Packers have done at the safety position, 163 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about it obviously all off season. 164 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: It was a complete revamping in a reset. I mean 165 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, the guys who played the 166 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: snaps at safety last year, Anthony Johnson Junior as a 167 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: rookie seventh round pick last year, he was the only 168 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: one who came back. The other safeties were special teamers. 169 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: They didn't really play from defense, and the rest of it. 170 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney, the three draft picks. We haven't even seen 171 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: much of katan Ola Dapo yet. Hopefully, you know, he 172 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: maybe gets more of a chance to play against Denver 173 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: and Baltimore and these last two preseason games as he 174 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: tries to show what he has. But the complete overhaul 175 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: of the position, at least to this point, and the 176 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: Packers haven't played a game for real yet, I get that, 177 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: but at least to this point, that complete overhaul the 178 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: position could not have gone any better for Brian Gudokunstan 179 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: the personnel staff in terms of what they gave this 180 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: new defensive coaching staff to work with. 181 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: Well. And I was asking Xavier McKinney this last week when, 182 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: you know, because he had another interception of practice off 183 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: at Jordan Love, and you know, I didn't want to 184 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: make it sound like it was too big of a 185 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: deal because It's like it is practice. You know, there's 186 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: things happening, you know, and I kind of cushion my 187 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: question that way. But then the way that Xavier answered 188 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: it is like no, I mean, interceptions are are the 189 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: most important thing. That's how you get paid in this league. 190 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: And again you will see what it looks like when 191 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: you get to Brazil and when Indianapolis comes to Green Bay. 192 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: But if positions or players aren't making plays and they're 193 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: being quiet, that's not a good thing in training camp. 194 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: The fact that all these safeties from Anthony Johnson Junior 195 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: to the franchise addition in Xavier McKay, the fact that 196 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: all these guys have made noteworthy performances and been noticeable 197 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: this offseason. I just if you're the Packers in this defense, 198 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: they didn't have a lot of holes Mike coming off 199 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: of that run last year, and the way they finished 200 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: the season with how many returning players they came back. 201 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: How many times did we hear Brian Goodikuinz talk about 202 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 2: how you know they had seventy two players I think 203 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 2: on the roster before the draft. It just shows you 204 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 2: they had so many returning bodies. Very unique that they 205 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: had that many guys coming. 206 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: Back function of having such a young team a year ago. 207 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and they fought through that. They got through it 208 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: the first half of last season, and now here they 209 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: are with what appears to be a position group that 210 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: they heavily invested into because they had the resources, and 211 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: it's paying off. 212 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, And Matt Lafleur said after the game that, you know, 213 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: Jeff Hafley had a pretty simple call sheet. It was 214 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: very vanilla scheme wise. It's not like he was dialing 215 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: up a bunch of blitzer or anything. But that was 216 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: by design not only to not necessarily show things and 217 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: put certain schemes on film, but the objective was to 218 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: see what was to get the play style, the you know, 219 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: the the attacking, the you know, all the hats to 220 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: the football kind of thing. And that's exactly how this 221 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: Packers defense played, whether it was the first unit, the 222 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: second unit, the third unit. That's the way they played 223 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: in this preseason opener, and they they got what they wanted. 224 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: Infma add in there as well when you're talking about 225 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 2: the vanilla schemes and everything else, but you look at 226 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,599 Speaker 2: what happened where the defensive line, or excuse me, the 227 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: offensive line, for the Packers goes out the second team, 228 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: the team is out there, they aren't able to get 229 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: much room for aj Dillon. The stats are what they are. 230 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: They get stuffed on fourth down. But how that group 231 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: settled in, how Sean Ryan settled in at center, how 232 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 2: Jacob Munk played like ninety five percent of the snaps, 233 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: the way he performed between center and guard. You know, 234 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: it just you could tell the Packers, with the experience level, 235 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 2: the talent level, once they got that train moving, there 236 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: really wasn't anything Clayland was gonna be able to do 237 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: to stop it. 238 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like that you brought up those guys 239 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: on the offensive line because that's where I was going 240 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: to go next. I thought, for as much as things 241 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: are still very much up in the air, there's not 242 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: a whole lot of clarity in terms of the backup 243 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. You know, Andre Dillard, Kadem Telfort, Caleb Jones, 244 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: they all played, and the coaches are evaluating all those snaps, 245 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: and there's still two more preseason games to go to 246 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: see how that sorts itself out. But man, when you 247 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: look at what Sean Ryan did with his snaps at 248 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: center in this game, you look at what Jacob Monk 249 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: did the rookie out of Duke. You really have to 250 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: like what the Packers appear to be, appear to be 251 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: developing in terms of the reserves and possibly future options. However, 252 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: you want to look at it at these interior positions 253 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: on the offensive line, because because both of those guys, 254 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: definitely I thought they were as as that number two 255 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: offensive line, you know, as we've talked about settled in 256 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: after you know, a couple of hiccups on that early 257 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: short yard of sequence with Dylan. As that group settled in, 258 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: I thought Ryan and Monk were kind of the anchors, yeah, 259 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: you know in that group, in the way that they performed, 260 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: the way they got after guys. You know, we saw 261 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: both We saw both of them kind of leading the 262 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: way on that on that toss sweep that was in 263 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: the red zone where Emmanuel Wilson's making his way to 264 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: the outside and you see these couple of big guys, 265 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, trying to clear some bodies out in space 266 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: like that. I thought that was pretty impressive and I 267 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: think I think it bodes well for what the Packers 268 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: are developing depth wise on that interior. 269 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wrote about Sean Ryan this week about 270 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: how you know, he played left tackle thirty one game 271 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: starter at UCLA. He comes to Green Bay, he had 272 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 2: to learn guard. That took a full season. He was 273 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: away from the team a little bit. Comes back last 274 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 2: year and he ends up in a rotation with John Runyon, 275 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: who then goes and gets a ten million dollar a 276 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: year contract with the New York Giants. Even still, he 277 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: didn't come back this offseason thinking, Okay, I've just won 278 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 2: my spot. I'm good. He knew he still had to 279 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: compete competing to start at right guard, and he also 280 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: understood that he needed to add center to his repertoire 281 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: as well. The Packers I think pretty well established at 282 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: this point in time. You got that top six, it's 283 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: just going to be kind of a question now is 284 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: it going to be Jordan Morgan, who's still dealing with 285 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: the shoulder, or will it be Ryan at right guard? Yeah? 286 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: Either way, Ryan gives you some versatility interior offensive line. 287 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: That's only six guys, though you need eight on the 288 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: game day roster in order to get that forty eight 289 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: spot where. 290 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: You're most likely going to have ten on your fifty 291 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: three man roster. Yeah, it's all said and done. 292 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: Somewhere in that area. So that's where it comes down to. Obviously, 293 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: Jacob Munk being back, I thought he looked a lot 294 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: more comfortable at guard. Certainly he played a lot of 295 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: center at Duke, but you know, some of the snap 296 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: stuff has been sort of a work in progress throughout camp. 297 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: I thought him getting the reps at guard, you could 298 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: just see that confidence building him throughout the game. And 299 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: then obviously at the media availability with the assistant coaches 300 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: on Monday, I think Luke Buckis probably had the line 301 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: of the entire presser saying that. 302 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: Well I put it in the headline on our posting 303 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: on the website. 304 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: But saying that, you know, he was ready to go 305 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: out there and rip somebody's lips off, and and he 306 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: played that way. So but the swing tackle thing is 307 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: still very much up in the air with Caleb Jones 308 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: and Kadeem Telford, obviously Andre Dillard the veteran, and then 309 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: you know, trying to figure out who's going to come 310 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: out through that. Travis Glover, the sixth round pick. Yukie's 311 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: still in there as well for this thing. Royce Newman, 312 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: veteran now in his fourth season, figuring out how those 313 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: pieces are going to fit into this offensive line, are 314 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: going to be critical for the Packers, and honestly, I'm very, 315 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: very curious to see how all that ends up sorting 316 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: itself out here the last two preseason games. 317 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk some more about some of 318 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: the individual standouts on offense for the Packers, but I 319 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: don't want to forget about our sponsor business. Here. 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He 329 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: came out in that preseason opener as an undrafted rookie 330 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: last year in Cincinnati and kind of lit the world 331 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: on fire. And Wilson ran just he runs hard. He did, 332 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: he did what he always does, and I believe I 333 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: saw a statistic that of his sixty seven rushing yards 334 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: which were the which was the high for the game, 335 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: fifty of those sixty seven were after contact, So that 336 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: says something about about his style. But the other individual 337 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: offensively that needs to be talked about here of courses 338 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: wide receiver Grant Dubos. We had talked about him through 339 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: the first you know, few weeks of camp. Is he 340 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: going to be able to carry over what he's been 341 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: doing on the practice field into the game. And lo 342 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: and behold, he did five catches on six targets. I 343 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: believe sixty six yards was the number and not to 344 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: And it's not just the statistics. It was two really 345 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: clutch catches in my opinion, that that made his night. 346 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: One was on the fourth down on the right side 347 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: boundary that makes the catch to keep the drive alive 348 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: and keep the chains moving for the Packers. And then 349 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: the other one was in the two minute drill which 350 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: was actually a one minute drill at the end of 351 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: the first half with backup quarterback Sean Clifford, where Clifford 352 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: buys a little bit of time, shifts to his left 353 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: in the pocket, and he spots to Bo's and he 354 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: fires it right to the boundary and Dubo's does the 355 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: catch with the tow drag twenty three yard game gets 356 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: the Packers into field goal range to end the first 357 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: half with a field goal. Grant Dubo's did what he 358 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: needed to do in this very heated competition for you know, 359 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: at the receiver position. Now, Grant Dubo's his next step 360 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: is to do it again in Denver, Right, That's what 361 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: everybody's going to be looking for. Is this is this 362 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: game by Grant Dubo's just some kind of a one 363 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: off or is he going to do this every game 364 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: in the preseason and basically say to everybody here, I am. 365 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: I deserve a spot on this team. 366 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And the thing that's wild too, is 367 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 2: he actually in some ways did that at the end 368 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 2: of the preseason last year. It's just that he was 369 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: missed three months with that back injury. Once he got 370 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: back into games, he basically played those last two games 371 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: cold and he still was catching passes. So for him 372 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: to come out based again like what we're talking about 373 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: with Evan Williams, to see du Bos make these plays 374 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: in this game, This wasn't out of left field. He's 375 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: been doing this. 376 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: For those of us who have been at practice every day, 377 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: and if you've been reading our coverage coverage of others 378 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: who are on the beat, what Grand Dubos did, what 379 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: Evan Williams did in this game was not a surprise 380 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: to anybody who's been watching this and following along. They did, 381 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 1: They did what was somewhat expected of them. You just 382 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: didn't really know if it would happen in a game 383 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: or not. 384 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 2: The toe dragie catch, though, is extraordinary, and again just 385 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: the body awareness, his ability to create separation, the fact 386 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: that much I wrote in my story the game notes afterwards, 387 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: I mean, he's kind of like the receiver version of Wilson, 388 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: where it's just the guy makes plays and he's kind 389 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: of sort of making himself undeniable at this point. And 390 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: the real scary thing about this is Mike. You got 391 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: to remember he was the third receiver the Packers drafted 392 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: last year, after Jaden Reid. In Dantavian freaking Wicks, I mean, 393 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 2: if Grant Dubo's I don't want to put the cart 394 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: before the horse here. I mean, there's a lot of 395 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 2: football left to be played and he needs to make 396 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: this team. But the fact that the Packers appear to 397 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 2: have three guys that all could play this game at 398 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: a high level, and they drafted they got him all 399 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: in the same draft doesn't always work out like that. 400 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 2: That's pretty extraordinary. 401 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: Well, on that tow drag catch as well, I thought 402 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: it was a heck of a throw by Sean. It 403 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: was yeah, you know, he put the ball right where 404 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: he needed to put it, and the timing and everything 405 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: with Dubos in terms of snagging with his hands and 406 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: dragging the feet, that is just how you draw it up. 407 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: And those are two guys who basically, you know, have 408 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: only played in preseason games effectively to this point, I 409 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: thought Sean Clifford performed well in this game. He's he 410 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: seems to be. I don't want to I don't want 411 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: to make this a grand generalization after you know, preseason 412 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: game number one of just his second season in the league, 413 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: but Sean Clifford seems to be one of these guys 414 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: who performs better in games than he does in practice. 415 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: And we've seen that here over the years, and it 416 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: was it was discussed with with quarterbacks coach Tom Clements 417 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: yesterday that there there is a little bit of of 418 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: reminder of Matt Flynn, who was like that too. Matt 419 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: Flynn never really impressed a whole lot. I'm not saying 420 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: he was a bad practice player, but he wasn't. He 421 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: was never really all that impressive on the practice field. 422 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: But then you get you put Matt Flynn into a 423 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: game and he goes out, he plays ball, he. 424 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: Moves to the national champion. 425 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: It's points on the what's that he's a national champion? Yeah, 426 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: that's true, very true. And uh and Clifford just seems 427 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: to be kinda, you know, cut from that same cloth, 428 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: so to speak. So I thought I thought he performed well, 429 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: can I add. 430 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 2: One more thing? Tootely. I talked to Sean in the 431 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: locker room afterwards. He didn't want any flowers, He wasn't 432 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 2: looking for any bouquets. He still felt like there were 433 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: some throws he missed in that game, some big splash 434 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: play opportunities. What I thought was funny though, And he 435 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 2: kind of let this slip a little. But he's like, 436 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: if I could have done that, it might have been perfect. 437 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: I mean, they're really I really think the guy was 438 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 2: splitting hairs in terms of because he effectively drove the offense, 439 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: and I think the most important thing with that three 440 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 2: straight scoring drives to end his night. I know they 441 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 2: wanted touchdowns. I know they didn't want to sell for 442 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: thirty plus you know, yardfield goals. But again from what 443 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: Sean had to deal with early in camp where he's 444 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: running with the ones, he talked about how much faster 445 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: that was going with them, and. 446 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: He's and he's admitted to kind of pressing, yeah, to 447 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: trying to push himself and and he was in he 448 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: was in a difficult spot. It was a big opportunity, 449 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't going as well as he was hoping it 450 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: would go. And and you know, he started to press 451 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: because things started to build in terms of, you know, 452 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: some of the struggles that were happening. 453 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: So long story short, with all this just with him, 454 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: you know, Michael Pratt, the snaps that he took later 455 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: on Julian Hicks, Joel Wilson, I mean, there has been 456 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: I think what was cool about this game, in addition 457 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: to the fact that everybody the Packers had active played, 458 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: the fact that so many guys, whether it's the Jordan 459 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 2: Loves of the world, are the guys that are in 460 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, you know, finishing this thing out. So 461 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: many guys made plays for the Packers in this matchup. 462 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: Curious to see who carries it on now going into Denver. 463 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the whole thing, whether you're talking whether 464 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: you're talking about Grant Dubo's, whether you're talking about Julian Hicks, 465 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, even Evan Williams to that extent as a 466 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: rookie who's still you know, figuring things out. What are 467 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: they going to do now in the second preseason game, 468 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: how do they build on it? And now this second 469 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: preseason game will be preceded by a joint practice against 470 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: again to Denver Broncos, so a whole different practice look 471 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: on Friday out in Denver, within the game coming up 472 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: on Sunday night. But we will talk more about that 473 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: on our next show because we have to call it 474 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure 475 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: to continue following all of our coverage of training camp. 476 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: We have it all for you on Packers dot com 477 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: for Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. 478 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: We will see you next time.