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Speaker 1: The book Fiery but mostly Peaceful about the breakdown of

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Speaker 3: You're trying to get us a gaslight us up here

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Speaker 3: FBI director. Let's listen to Sorry, what's your title, senior writer?

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Speaker 4: And I'd like to induce.

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Speaker 3: There's no question.

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Speaker 4: I think it's funny to be lectured by an heir

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Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit about his experiences testifying before

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Speaker 2: Why is it happening, what has he seen.

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Speaker 1: That's all from Julia roseas senior writer for town Hall

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Speaker 1: and the author of Fiery but Mostly Peaceful. Stay with us, Julio,

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Speaker 1: it's great to have you on my fellow Floridia and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's it's a great time to be down

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Speaker 4: The hearing was basically to highlight the fact that, yes,

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Speaker 1: When you wrote a book about it, fiery but mostly peaceful.

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Speaker 1: We've reached this point where the left has come to

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Speaker 4: I think it's just because it's also dealing with the

433
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Speaker 4: fact that they hate the United States as it is.

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Speaker 4: And of course, you know, the United States is not

435
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Speaker 4: perfect it never will be. However, that doesn't mean that

436
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Speaker 4: still still one of the better places to live. I mean,

437
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Speaker 4: the whole reason why I have a border crisis is

438
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Speaker 4: because a lot of people want to get in right,

439
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Speaker 4: they want to cut the line. But because it speaks

440
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Speaker 4: to just the fact that a lot of the people

441
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Speaker 4: who are you know, they say that, you know, the

442
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Speaker 4: United States as a whole is irredeemable, and so therefore

443
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Speaker 4: it's kind of we have to just smash everything and

444
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Speaker 4: start completely from scratching these radical ways. And so I

445
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 4: think they view this as a perfect way to try

446
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Speaker 4: to again and map this sort of because with the

447
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Speaker 4: whole Neely situation, you know, this guy had been arrested

448
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Speaker 4: forty times, and he was mentally unstable, he was violent,

449
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Speaker 4: and yet he was still out on the street. He

450
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Speaker 4: should have been institutionalized, but that didn't happen, and so

451
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Speaker 4: then this whole situation happened. And now the left is saying, aha,

452
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Speaker 4: see because of this, we now need to do X,

453
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Speaker 4: Y and Z. It's like, well, well, hold on, hold on,

454
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Speaker 4: like let's take a step back, like like why why

455
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Speaker 4: did that happen? And and and why was that allowed

456
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Speaker 4: to happen? Because in some ways it was but he

457
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Speaker 4: was failed by people who should have known better, especially

458
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Speaker 4: I mean also his family apparently now was showing up

459
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Speaker 4: even though they didn't show up for him when he

460
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Speaker 4: needed it most. Right, So I think it's because they

461
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Speaker 4: use it to their advantage, right, I mean, rom Man,

462
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Speaker 4: you will let of crisis go to waste the rights

463
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Speaker 4: prove that. The COVID proved that because you know, they

464
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Speaker 4: were able to make so many sweeping changes and you know,

465
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Speaker 4: increases in authority. I mean, you have the CDC halting evictions,

466
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Speaker 4: which is like, you're the CDC, where do you get

467
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Speaker 4: that kind of power? Well, it's COVID, so we have

468
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Speaker 4: it. It's like, well, so I think it's just they want

469
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Speaker 4: to radically transform the United States, including like the criminal

470
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Speaker 4: justice system because again it's systemic and racist, so we

471
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Speaker 4: have to and so we're going to do it this way.

472
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Speaker 4: And so by allowing, you know, people having to be

473
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Speaker 4: put in situations that maybe they shouldn't be in, you're

474
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Speaker 4: going to force these issues. And then they're going to

475
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Speaker 4: take that and run with it, because like, aha, thee racism.

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Speaker 1: The only place I would disagree with you is which

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're making the direct correlation is just

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Speaker 1: with January sixth. Obviously, we're learning more and more about

479
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Speaker 1: the FBI's involvement and potentially orchestrating it and then also

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Speaker 1: being there that day, and then we know that the

481
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Speaker 1: FBI intentionally manipulated that data relating to January six to

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Speaker 1: paint the picture that domestic terrorism is on the rise

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Speaker 1: so they can then spy on more American citizens. And

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Speaker 1: we also know recently that the FBI abused their spy

485
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Speaker 1: powers to target the folks involved in January sixth, So

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Speaker 1: that would be my to our knowledge, you know, we

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Speaker 1: don't know the FBI was involved in anything with the

488
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty Summer riot, so that would be my only

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Speaker 1: but I know that you weren't making that direct comparison,

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Speaker 1: But that would be the only thing I would add

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Speaker 1: to that about you know, some of the stuff we're

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Speaker 1: finding out about the FBI.

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Speaker 7: January sixth was just the weirdest ride I had ever covered, right,

494
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Speaker 7: I've covered many and more importantly, January sixth was preventable.

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Speaker 7: It's the fact that the Capitol police were so ill

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Speaker 7: prepared and the fact that Democrats don't want to ask

497
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Speaker 7: why they were, because again, we're coming off this whole

498
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Speaker 7: season of violence and everyone knew how you know, passionate

499
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Speaker 7: people felt about the twenty twenty election, and so like,

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Speaker 7: you wouldn't think you'd be better prepared for crowd control. Instead,

501
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Speaker 7: you're going to run the same playbook of having officers

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Speaker 7: in non riot gear behind the easily movable bike racked barricades.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's just from my perspective, it doesn't it

504
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Speaker 7: doesn't make sense. So yeah, no, like, there's a lot

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Speaker 7: of weird things about January sixth, for sure, And I'm

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Speaker 7: glad you brought that up because I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, even I was in the rotunda, that's as far

508
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Speaker 4: as I got in during during that day, and you know,

509
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Speaker 4: a lot, I'm assuming a lot of people didn't even

510
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Speaker 4: want anticipate getting that far. But also too, they weren't

511
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Speaker 4: acting like normal writers in the sense because you know,

512
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Speaker 4: the rotundas are very beautiful part of the of the building.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the you know parts where they take tours,

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Speaker 4: and so people were just like taking photos of the

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Speaker 4: paintings and the statues inside, and you know, taking pictures

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Speaker 4: of the of the dome, you know, the inside it.

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Speaker 4: In my colleague Rich McGinness, he found two guys smoking

518
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Speaker 4: weedi inside of the rotunda. So it's just like, it

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Speaker 4: was like, that's not I mean, in my turn, that's

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Speaker 4: just not typical riot or behavior. And actually a colleague

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Speaker 4: of mine pointed out, like, you know, if this was

522
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Speaker 4: like Antifa who had done this, they'd be they'd be

523
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Speaker 4: setting things on fire, they'd be tearing out the paintings,

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Speaker 4: they'd be like bashing the statues. I'm like, actually, you're right.

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Speaker 4: And again that's not to say there wasn't violence. It was,

526
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Speaker 4: but it's just that that was just one of the

527
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Speaker 4: weird things about about that day and looking and I

528
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Speaker 4: was trying to like recount that, you know, as as

529
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Speaker 4: the days went on, I'm i was thinking like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's that's kind of weird, like why why did that

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Speaker 4: play out the way it did?

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Speaker 1: What do you think actually happened that day? Having been there?

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Speaker 1: And then also with some of this other stuff we're learning,

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Speaker 1: what does your gut tell you, what does your research

535
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Speaker 1: tell you?

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Speaker 4: There was definitely provocates inside the crowd because here's the

537
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Speaker 4: thing about Antifa, they are very good at what they'd

538
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Speaker 4: do in terms of hiding their identity, trying to prevent

539
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Speaker 4: people from recording their destructive because of course, if you're

540
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Speaker 4: going to you know, do that and you have you know,

541
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Speaker 4: you have your face identifiable, then police are going to

542
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Speaker 4: come after you. Well, you know, maybe not in Portland,

543
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 4: but that's that's that's that's what it's supposed to happen.

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Speaker 4: So again with with I mean, a lot of the

545
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Speaker 4: people that I saw inside the building, you know, they

546
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Speaker 4: were they weren't wearing masks. They they were live streaming

547
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Speaker 4: on their personal you know, social media pages and and

548
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Speaker 4: I didn't know this until afterwards, but but from what

549
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Speaker 4: I saw, the people who were trying to get in

550
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: were like trying to break in. But we also know

551
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Speaker 4: that a large number of people were also let in

552
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Speaker 4: by the Capital waize they opened the door for them,

553
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Speaker 4: and a lot of people just you know, kind of

554
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Speaker 4: filed in through there. So it's just like what again,

555
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Speaker 4: But you have all this going on, and so you're

556
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Speaker 4: like who gave the order or whose decision it was

557
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Speaker 4: to just open the door again, it just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 4: So I think a lot of people who ended up

559
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Speaker 4: in the capital didn't anticipate getting as far as they did.

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Speaker 4: I mean, one of the first, one of the first

561
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Speaker 4: people who were who was convicted of a felony in

562
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Speaker 4: the aftermath by the you know, charged by DJ and

563
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Speaker 4: all that he wasn't he was. He was charged with

564
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Speaker 4: just trespassing because he he he made it to the

565
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Speaker 4: Senate chamber, so he walked in the Senate chamber and

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Speaker 4: then he walked out. I mean, so he wasn't accused

567
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Speaker 4: of committing any violence. He wasn't accused of attacking any

568
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Speaker 4: police officers. The only thing that he was charged with

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Speaker 4: was basically trespassing on federal property. But the DJ wanted

570
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Speaker 4: to throw terrorism, like he said, we need the full

571
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Speaker 4: maximum sentence because this was a terrorist at terrorism YadA

572
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Speaker 4: ya YadA. The guy said he was sorry and all that.

573
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Speaker 4: So it's like why, like why would that happen, right,

574
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Speaker 4: and so, and then we look at the video that

575
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Speaker 4: Tucker had had put out. Again that just doesn't make

576
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Speaker 4: sense with Jacob Chansley and kind of narrative that was

577
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Speaker 4: built around him. And so again I'm not trying to

578
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Speaker 4: excuse bad behavior, but when I look at the riots,

579
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Speaker 4: I saw important and the local DSADA office dropped eighty

580
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Speaker 4: percent of the cases that was brought to them during

581
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Speaker 4: that time period. It's just like, it doesn't make any

582
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Speaker 4: either we have an equal justice system or we don't.

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Speaker 4: And it's clear what these just just those two examples

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Speaker 4: is that we really don't.

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Speaker 1: Well we definitely don't at this moment, but we need

586
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Speaker 1: to get it back or we're going to lose our

587
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Speaker 1: country because you know, you can't have a constitutional republic

588
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Speaker 1: when you have an unequal application of the law.

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Speaker 5: Just doesn't add up. You're a marine.

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Speaker 1: Do you think being a marine, do you think that's

591
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Speaker 1: prepared you for all this coverage? And you know, I

592
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Speaker 1: mean you've really been on the front lines of so

593
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Speaker 1: many important issues in the country.

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Speaker 5: Do you think that prepared you for it?

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Speaker 4: In some ways? Yeah, obviously there are two different jobs,

596
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Speaker 4: but I mean, just the key is to just remain

597
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Speaker 4: you know, slowest smooth, smooth as fast, because it's very

598
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Speaker 4: easy to be kind of caught up in the moment

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Speaker 4: in terms of about with your adrenaline rushing. Things are going,

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Speaker 4: things are happening, there's steer guests, there's fireworks, id's or

601
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Speaker 4: you know whatever, things are going off. And so my

602
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Speaker 4: job is in those situations is to one just gathered video,

603
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Speaker 4: you know, get it on video, because that's king for

604
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Speaker 4: right now. And now. Of course AI might have something

605
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Speaker 4: to say about that, but it's obviously you have to

606
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Speaker 4: be able to maintain your cool. And I think I

607
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Speaker 4: definitely think my Marine Corp background helped me with that.

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Speaker 4: Although I often joke that I saw more action in

609
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Speaker 4: my capacity as a journalist than as a marine because

610
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Speaker 4: I never deployed. I was just in for for six years.

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Speaker 4: But I think it for sure helped me get into

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Speaker 4: the mindset of facing adversity. And a common saying that

613
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: we have is you have to be comfortable with being uncomfortable.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, these were twelve thirteen, fourteen hour

615
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Speaker 4: days with with my plate carrier, my backpack, helmet, gas mask,

616
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Speaker 4: and so it was it was it was grueling. I

617
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Speaker 4: mean it was grueling work and I was happy to

618
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Speaker 4: do it, but I was you know, I'm just exact Austin.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, and depending on what

620
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 4: was happening, it's like, Okay, we're gonna have to start

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Speaker 4: all over again. And you know, of course it's you know,

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Speaker 4: you can cry about it later or whatever, but you know,

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Speaker 4: there's there's there's a job that needs to be done,

624
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Speaker 4: and you know people are counting on you to do

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Speaker 4: it well. And so that that kind of ethos and

626
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Speaker 4: that kind of work ethic that the Marine Corps is

627
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Speaker 4: stilled in me definitely helped me out in that regard.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leo Rosas, you're doing great work. Senior writer for

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Speaker 1: town Hall, author of Fiery but Mostly Peaceful. Everyone go

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Speaker 1: check that out. Appreciate you taking the time to join

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Speaker 1: the show and just talk about some of the experiences

632
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Speaker 1: that you've had on so many of these important issues

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Speaker 1: to the people at home.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: So that was Julia rose Us with town Hall. He's

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Speaker 1: a senior writer for town Hall, also the author of

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Speaker 1: Fiery but Mostly Peaceful. Amazing name for a book. Great

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Speaker 1: conversation with him. Appreciate him taking the time to join

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Speaker 1: want to thank John Cassio as well, my producer, for

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