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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Beau Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: So live on a Tuesday edition to Cleveland Browns Daily.

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Speaker 3: I am merely bo.

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Speaker 2: He is the great z.

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Speaker 4: There is an orb in the sky at least where

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Speaker 4: I am, and there is warmth in the air. There's

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Speaker 4: warmth in the air. What is this?

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Speaker 2: What is this forties that we're feeding?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean I've been, you know, indoors

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Speaker 5: all day, putting in an an honest day's work, just at.

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Speaker 2: The Salt mart Ah right.

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Speaker 5: Basically, it's basically I feel like Derek Zulander, like Fred Flintstone.

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Speaker 5: I think I got the black lung pop. It's been

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Speaker 5: a yeah, so, I mean I can kind of I

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Speaker 5: see it out there, doesn't I wouldn't say it looks

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Speaker 5: sunny here now? Forty degrees does feel downright? Balmy? What's

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Speaker 5: Gibe doing making sounds in there? What are you doing?

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Speaker 3: This is not us I believe it's back at studio control.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, it's just nice to be able to walk

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Speaker 4: outside and not have your face freeze off.

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Speaker 5: Yes, wonderful. It's too warm for my great hat though,

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Speaker 5: so that's said. I had to put that away.

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Speaker 4: I can't complain about it. I'm guessing we're gonna have

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Speaker 4: something in the twenties next week.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm there, so are well.

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Speaker 3: I think you're gonna be be a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a roller coaster, but it's not going to be like five.

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Speaker 2: We're not gonna have any more sustained. I hold your face.

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Speaker 5: This say is right now that it's actually fifty one.

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Speaker 6: Degrees, I'm showing fifty five real feel, fifty two in

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Speaker 6: real feel. And then on Thursday twenty seven, okay, but

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Speaker 6: I can deal with twenty seven. The next week, deal

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Speaker 6: with five.

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Speaker 5: Next week Saturday forty four, Sunday forty, Monday thirty nine,

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Speaker 5: Tuesday forty five, Wednesday forty three in rain, which might

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Speaker 5: help get rid of some of this yeah nonsense. And

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Speaker 5: then Thursday forty six, I think we have a chance

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Speaker 5: to get rid of not all of the snow, certainly

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Speaker 5: not I piled anywhere, but I've got a good deal

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Speaker 5: of it. We might you might even able to see

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Speaker 5: like a little bit of your lawn at some point.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be something?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be for the first time since middle December.

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Speaker 5: It would be And it would be great to know

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Speaker 5: as well that my plow guy can then see where

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Speaker 5: he's gone conservatively fifteen feet onto my lawn. We'll be

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Speaker 5: able to assess that out.

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Speaker 2: You know, they have those they have those things.

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Speaker 4: People having those things as you have to adhere to

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Speaker 4: where they are. Yeah, those little spikes like those, you

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Speaker 4: gotta you gotta stay there.

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Speaker 2: My guy did the same thing your is it? He

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Speaker 2: just blew through it.

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Speaker 3: He didn't care.

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Speaker 5: My guess is he's going to say, I couldn't keep

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Speaker 5: pushing it towards your house. Then you wouldn't have been

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Speaker 5: able to get out of your garage. So I had

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Speaker 5: to create a new place to leave it. And I

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Speaker 5: would have said, well, you had done that on the

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Speaker 5: left side where it goes off of a down a

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Speaker 5: the right side, right on our front lawn where he

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Speaker 5: severed the lights to our illuminated tree. It's very s

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Speaker 5: doing your well, depending on how no names please right now,

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Speaker 5: But depending on how he resolves the fact that my

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Speaker 5: mailboxes he's pushed my mailbox over forty five degrees and

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Speaker 5: he suffed this switch. Depending on how he did choose

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Speaker 5: to resolve that will depend on whether or not he

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair.

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Speaker 5: He resolves it well, he will be, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: say name if he doesn't have out a little attention

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Speaker 5: to the detail. I think people are out there fighting

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Speaker 4: I think that the snowplow guys were just trying to

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Speaker 4: and all of it. And caution be damned, and markers

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Speaker 4: aren't you pleased?

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Speaker 2: And for the most part, yes, yes, you know who

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Speaker 2: you know who did that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? My wife did what she she worked, she and

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Speaker 3: her ex husband owned a snow removal company, like in

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Speaker 3: the morning, taking care of parking lots, driveways, she's like,

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, there's a method of the madness. Yeah. She

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Speaker 3: just she loves watching the ones that can't do it,

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Speaker 3: Like the one there's a group that takes care of

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Speaker 3: watch this guy. He's gonna end up in the ditch.

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Speaker 3: An hour later, they got it. They got a tow

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Speaker 3: you're an idiot. You don't know how to do it.

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Speaker 5: I do feel like most years, the people who do

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Speaker 5: it based on like a yearly contract, like the plow

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Speaker 5: companies that use a yearly contract win, yes, but this

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Speaker 5: year they have not won. And then they hear people

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Speaker 5: who try to pay per push got.

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Speaker 3: Smoked, got annihilated.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the yearly contract people, we did well in this

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Speaker 4: one instance. Oh yeah, yeah, this is one instance where

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Speaker 4: we got it right. That feels like a very lucrative

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Speaker 4: business on the If you're on the per push, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Just just if you get a nice snowy winner like

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Speaker 3: the last couple winners. Nah, probably not so great, no, true, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's this one.

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Speaker 4: This one has been one for the ages, to say

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Speaker 4: the least, speaking of one for the ages. We knew

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Speaker 4: this was coming, but it doesn't make it any any

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Speaker 4: less difficult to read, just because this is a guy

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Speaker 4: that we've obviously had quite a relationship with, and Zee

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Speaker 4: obviously I feel like in me to a lesser extent

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Speaker 4: than you, but we've kind of all grown up in

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Speaker 4: all of this together, and even you predate me with

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Speaker 4: Chief on this as well. But officially today, the Chief

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Speaker 4: announcing on social media yesterday last evening in fact, that

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Speaker 4: it would be his last season in Cleveland, him writing

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Speaker 4: on his Instagram post Cleveland. First off, I love you.

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Speaker 4: These nine years have been a beautiful journey. I'm so

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Speaker 4: grateful for all the memories we shared together. Thank you

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Speaker 4: to the Haslams, Andrew Berry, the whole Browns organization, for

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Speaker 4: everything all my teammates I share the battle with.

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Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for you guys.

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Speaker 4: The time for me to find a new home has

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Speaker 4: come and all and all I can think of is

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Speaker 4: just the great gratefulness in my heart. The city of

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Speaker 4: Cleveland will forever be home, and that one hits with Chief.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we have his autographed football in there. He

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Speaker 4: took our football and he replaced it, yep, which was

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Speaker 4: great he used to come in all the time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how many five times a.

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Speaker 4: Year usually something like that first four or five years.

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Speaker 4: I guarantee you were the first interview he ever did

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Speaker 4: when he was here.

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Speaker 5: Sure for sure.

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Speaker 2: How do you reflect on the Chief's run?

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Speaker 5: Love the Chief, Love the Chief obviously, you know pro

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Speaker 5: bowler for a while it really matured. We saw him

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Speaker 5: grow up, as you said, but really mature and become

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Speaker 5: a leader of this organization. A guy who was, you know,

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Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen almost you know, benched and banished and

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Speaker 5: on his way out and now an opportunity to come

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Speaker 5: back from that, and he did it. He had requested

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Speaker 5: a trade at one point, they said, we're not trading you.

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Speaker 5: They give him a big contract. He plays his best

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Speaker 5: and just you know, always an energy guy, always a

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Speaker 5: and somebody, certainly you know that that I will miss.

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Speaker 5: I've done many interviews with the Chief over my time here.

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Speaker 5: We always got along very very well. Sometimes I think

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Speaker 5: But he's the best. Like I'll definitely miss him, absolutely

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Speaker 5: love him, and you know, can't wait to see where

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Speaker 5: hopefully before a game or two in the near future.

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Speaker 5: But big fan of the Chiefs, very solid career. You

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Speaker 5: draft a guy in the first round and he plays,

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Speaker 5: makes a Pro Bowl and plays for you for nine years,

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Speaker 5: that is a that's a that's a home run win

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Speaker 5: of a pick. And so that's what David Ajoku was

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Speaker 5: involved in the community. At a celebrity softball game, was it.

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Speaker 5: You know, calves a lot just a good He will

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Speaker 5: be missed for sure, his energy will be missed. Uh,

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Speaker 5: and it creates another you know, we talked about the

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Speaker 5: Browns and needing a lot of things on offense and

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Speaker 5: we got we've alluded to it. We said, you know

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Speaker 5: you have fan and you're gonna need another tight end.

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Speaker 5: David wasn't coming.

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Speaker 3: Back, but.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's still It's one of those things like

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Speaker 5: there could be so much turnover of people that have

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Speaker 5: anywhere from four to nine to thirteen years. You know,

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Speaker 4: I would say that when I think of the you know,

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Speaker 4: kind of those seventeen eighteen nineteen, those drafts and those

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Speaker 4: players that were a part of all of that, whether

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Speaker 4: they were you know guys who you know, whether it

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, Miles and Nick Chubb were the

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Speaker 4: two most popular guys. And then I think Chief slides

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Speaker 4: right in there. I mean, I keep with the fan base,

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Speaker 4: you know, he was he was probably there. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he was here longer than Jarvis, but there was there

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Speaker 4: was that type of feeling, you know, with him where

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Speaker 2: Base just loved Chief.

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Speaker 4: He was so popular with kids, He was so popular

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Speaker 4: with our fans. I mean, I think of his the

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Speaker 4: way that he would be introduced, and the way that

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Speaker 4: he would he would run out of the Hunt Tunnel

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Speaker 4: and all of the stuff that would come with it,

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Speaker 4: the way that he warmed up without his shirt on

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Speaker 4: and all.

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Speaker 3: Of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Think about him playing after burning his face off in

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Speaker 4: that Yes, Mass, Yes, do you remember that?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yes, my god, I mean we were like, wait, what

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Speaker 4: side a chief and then he played Sunday.

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Speaker 5: And it's his toughness is beyond approach. I mean, it

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Speaker 5: can't be questioned. It is beyond approach. It's complete insanity.

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Speaker 1: He is.

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Speaker 5: That in and of itself. That's legendary. That's a it's

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Speaker 5: a legendary thing. He did like to wear a helmet

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Speaker 5: under those auspices to It's just did.

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Speaker 2: That happen on a Thursday night or Friday night?

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Speaker 4: And then you know, you didn't hear you heard stories

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty in uh, this is from spot track twenty two,

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Speaker 5: It was all the restructuring. We created those void years.

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Speaker 5: he's got twenty four to three in dead money. Buttonio's

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Speaker 4: So do I'm asking, I don't know I and I

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you got to pay them that money, so

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Speaker 5: you have to pay so we can pay that money over,

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Speaker 5: you know, a couple of years. When you do it

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Speaker 2: Opposed, and then you spread the cap hit out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can spread it out over four like if

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, and then but either way he's going to

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Speaker 4: get all of that that money's owed to both of them.

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Speaker 3: It's just coming in one chunk.

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Speaker 3: Is that a fair understanding?

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Speaker 5: It's yeah, he's getting that money right right, So it's

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Speaker 5: set to void on March tall, twenty twenty six, creating

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Speaker 5: the twenty twenty six season. That's for Najoku. Then they

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Speaker 3: I got you.

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Speaker 5: Now, I don't know what happens with Joel if he retires,

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, right, because he would have done a restructure

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Speaker 3: And then yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: It's here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of complex things in here.

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Speaker 4: Yes there are, and so like you kick the can

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Speaker 5: It's not you can't do it forever, correct, Yeah, So

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Speaker 5: Blah blah blah. They can either extend him obviously if

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well either way, you're gonna get some certainty on

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Speaker 5: This is what happens with those void years. That's where

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Speaker 5: So that's that's really where it is. And they still

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so there is the the bookkeeping as

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean the thing, the thing, the hope

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of new people, which

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Speaker 2: But right you know, no, this is we've had the same.

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Speaker 5: And I heard I've I've been told we're very close,

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Speaker 4: because this is it's we have an ed turnover like

441
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Speaker 4: this in a long time.

442
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 3: You know it's been a minute.

443
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 5: Jeff blasco yep, I don't know that they've said necessarily

444
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 5: what it's expected to become the new tight end coach.

445
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, nothing's official till basically the whole staff's put

446
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: together and then they'll be up.

447
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 5: So if if what if from reports, then what we

448
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 5: would know is on the offensive side, we've got so

449
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 5: Monkin head coach and play caller. Offensive line we know

450
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 5: is George Winthrop Warhop warhoppin ye.

451
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Speaker 2: Warhop winthorpe Hilly, Valentine and trading places.

452
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 3: There we go.

453
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Speaker 5: Boy, that is a fantastic pull. Tight end would be

454
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 5: not as sick as you appear. Tight end Jeff Blasco.

455
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 5: Wide receiver is Christian Jones. Running back we think could

456
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 5: be Deuce. Quarterback is Jakin Yes, first name, not sure. Mike, Mike, Yeah,

457
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 5: thank you, you man, look at you not even looking

458
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 5: at Mike. It was with the Michigan State and obviously

459
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 5: with the Bucks, which is where I think Todd knows

460
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 5: him from, and then he brought over Warhop but also.

461
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: Past game coordinator.

462
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 5: Right, there's a lot of guys coming from that Raven staff. Yeah,

463
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 5: so yeah, a Switzer, Travis Switzer right.

464
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: Oc.

465
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 5: That's the hard part with all these rumors is that

466
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 5: we haven't had any we haven't gotten confirmation right on them.

467
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 5: That'll all come and and the way the reason that

468
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 5: is is they like to do it all kind of

469
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 5: in one formal announce, one shot, right. But yeah, so

470
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 5: that's how it is, all.

471
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Speaker 4: Right, So we'll well, we've all had some learning to

472
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: do on that side of things. We do have the

473
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Speaker 4: return of higher lower Later in the show, Compliments for

474
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Speaker 4: Friends at ESPN, one of the things they asked each

475
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 4: NFL Nation reporter to submit was the off season in

476
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 4: three words, and ESPN NFL Nation Browns reporter Daniel Oyafusi wrote,

477
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 4: all in on offense? What would be your three words

478
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 4: for this upcoming Browns off season?

479
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 3: And why doc dise you?

480
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 5: What were those three words?

481
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 7: Again?

482
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: All in? There's a hyphen on offense.

483
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 5: No, no, that's forwards. It's a forwarder. So that's for

484
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 5: those are four words? All in on offense? All in

485
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 5: is not one word.

486
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 4: No, No, it's a I'm going off of what the

487
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 4: article said.

488
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, there's this guy think he is me huh,

489
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 3: beholden to you over me.

490
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 5: You give me limits and then I say not having

491
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 5: But those are mere suggestions, those lists limits, yes, yeah,

492
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 5: by the way, Travis Switzer, Danny Bray or those are

493
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 5: the other ones that have come along with warhawp. I

494
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 5: wanted to get those names.

495
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Speaker 3: Right, all right?

496
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 5: Mine would be offense offense or weapons weapons weapons. Yeah,

497
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with one from the Todd Monkin playbook.

498
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 5: Fourth and one. Every day is fourth and one?

499
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 6: I love you?

500
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: When do you do that?

501
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 4: When you get fired up and then you make a

502
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 4: statement and then you slap the table.

503
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 3: It's bad enough, he screams in. Then I got to adjusted,

504
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: but then he's cracks the table.

505
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 5: Let me do it again, all right, I'll do it again.

506
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 5: I'll try to do it better, right, thank you? Fourth

507
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 5: and one?

508
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: Every day? It's fourth and one? Why do we repeat that?

509
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 5: The camera so we could get this camera?

510
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

511
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 5: For crying out loud?

512
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 3: And where's my camera here?

513
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 7: That?

514
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 5: By the way, doctor J? Doctor J is the head honcho?

515
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: Doctor J? How do you elevate?

516
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 5: I don't look at where's it? Do you see? What?

517
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 5: Does it on your desk?

518
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: Anymore?

519
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 5: Does it on his desk?

520
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: This is coming from the young man that gets bored

521
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: when he has to work a quote yeoman's effort full

522
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: day and starts playing around with everything on my desk

523
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 3: and moving stuff. Did I just.

524
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: How close?

525
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 4: How close is our like if we were all how

526
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 4: close is it to the office?

527
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: Hold on? Please? How close is what like the to

528
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: the show set up?

529
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 4: Like if we just documented this, it's not that far

530
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 4: off from the office. Hiding your head, honcho, he's hiding

531
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Speaker 4: your water glass.

532
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 3: All of it.

533
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 5: Doctor J. Gave me, Doctor J, go back to the

534
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 5: two shot and then come back to the one. Since

535
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 5: we're being interrupted. Thank you give me. I want to

536
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 5: say thank you for calling me a young man.

537
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: The use of these solo shots is just it's just

538
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: going to be a doctor J.

539
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 5: Is that Joe. So the reason that we're having this

540
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 5: conversation is that today UH, Doctor J, Young Gabriel and

541
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 5: I went and had a catch. We went to the fieldhouse.

542
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 5: We had a catch and working hard. By the way,

543
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 5: we were in front of many luminaries on the uh

544
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 5: personnel side of this department. Who happened to be in

545
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 5: the fieldhouse as well?

546
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: And what were they doing?

547
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 5: Who's Who's Young Gabriel or doctor J or both of you?

548
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 5: Feel free to slide over the excuse me, sir, you

549
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 5: were there.

550
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 3: I gotta pass. You weren't there. I was doing work, but.

551
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 5: You weren't there. No, you were asked to come and

552
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 5: you were not there.

553
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: I was doing work. All right.

554
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 5: Let him slide in, Collins or slide. We need a

555
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: camera for that. Very nicely done. He was dismissed. Camera right,

556
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 5: let's get it on.

557
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: You give him a camera. Come on and give me

558
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: a camera.

559
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 5: You sound like you're the young Gabriel.

560
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: I call him the barber. He's got a good farmers

561
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: he does.

562
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 5: It looks fantastic. All right, you're fantastic. We were in

563
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 5: there having a great catch. There are routes being run. Indeed,

564
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: there were a lot of personnel people in there. There were, Yeah,

565
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 5: there were whispers.

566
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: You can't say there weren't.

567
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 5: There were whispers that maybe they liked what they saw

568
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 5: from a certain six or four quarterback. And they were

569
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 5: talk that I heard that perhaps decades long droughts are

570
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 5: coming to an end.

571
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, here's powers.

572
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 5: Can you can you confirm or I can confirm?

573
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

574
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, And we even we even set up certain routes

575
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 5: so that they would ball would be caught like whistling

576
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 5: in right in front of the personnel people, and then

577
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 5: we asked them for their feedback on what they just saw.

578
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: What did uh?

579
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: What did Catherine think of your velocity?

580
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 5: She wasn't there, but I'm sure she would have been impressed.

581
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to. I was curious if the spin

582
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: right and did they make the catches. That's why.

583
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 5: First of all, yes, young Gabriel was great in his routes.

584
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 5: We worked him in what we would call the underneath

585
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 5: stuff down the field. We went down the field, we

586
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 5: went Gabriel, you said, after a few he said, that's

587
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 5: it for me. I mean, yeah, I'm not the most

588
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 5: not the most in shape guy. No, that's not what

589
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 5: we're saying, Doctor jundabout j.

590
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 4: Who is Man's comp like I seem like Jason Jason Witten.

591
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 5: Chris Coolies, the kid always called him Chad Cooley. I

592
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 5: don't know why, but I like perfect, you have a

593
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 5: little Brent sellick to your game that I was pretty

594
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 5: good in blitz pick up, I think.

595
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: Oh, then he.

596
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 5: Started playing left tackle and it was hard for me

597
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 5: to I was like, it's like the hops over there.

598
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 5: I had no worry of pressure coming off the blind

599
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 5: nothing to see. Yeah, no, but doctor J was out there,

600
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 5: and really the only name that continually popped into my

601
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 5: head based on what I saw from him was Justin Jefferson.

602
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is a chance.

603
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: It was.

604
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 7: It was.

605
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 5: It was a one eighty caught everything. The routes were crisp.

606
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 5: Even had one where he ran like a ten yard

607
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 5: square in and I threw it with great anticipation and

608
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 5: it like hit him in the chest before he even

609
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 5: knew the ball was there. And he caught that one too,

610
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 5: Doctor J. What would you what was what's his self grade?

611
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 5: My grade for real good about of one hundred ninety

612
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 5: nine point nine. Oh my god, I think there's only

613
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 5: one even double catch, maybe one that you should have

614
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: had that you didn't. But other than that, I'd say

615
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 5: nine ene point nine.

616
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: I gotta give myself eighty. I'm gonna give my eighty

617
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: and eighty.

618
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 5: So looking for Yeah, he wants perfection. I like that.

619
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Speaker 5: That's hungry you have. We can be different individuals, but

620
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 5: we got to have the same mindset, and that's to

621
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: get better. And that's what doctor David fourth and one

622
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 5: fourth and every day every day there it is. I

623
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 5: think I knocked out my earphones right there.

624
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: That's fine, that's fine.

625
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 5: But Doctor J was fantastic. There's Allison. We got people

626
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 5: walking around with putters right now, perfect fun. Scottie Cameron.

627
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 5: That is a Scottie Cameron. Those those bronze inserts, you

628
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 5: better believe it.

629
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: Oh.

630
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 5: So Doctor J was phenomenal. That was great. Now, the

631
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 5: most impressive thing that I saw all day though. In there,

632
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 5: actually we played a game, but we got involved with

633
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 5: with some of the PR staff and played a little

634
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 5: pig over there. We had a four person game of pig.

635
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 5: Smooth jumper, not really a jumper, smooth set shot. Domm

636
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 5: could shoot the basketball a little bit. Dom could shoot

637
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 5: the basketball a little bit. I think the order was Dom,

638
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: Young Gabriel, Doctor J, and then me was the order

639
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 5: that we went in. Now, Young Gabriel had some nice shots.

640
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 5: I'm so washed, dude, but wasn't happy with his performance.

641
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 5: And he was much like much like in the fantasy

642
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 5: football competition of the playoffs, quickly bounced early. He was

643
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 5: like Zach Charboney eliminated Doctor Jun. Doctor J shoots these

644
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 5: knuckleballs that have no spin on them, no rotation whatsoever.

645
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 5: Every shot He's like that's in. And every shot he

646
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 5: takes he calls good in the air. The only ones

647
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 5: I saw him make banked in when he was not

648
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 5: intending to make it. You throw on the baseline, forget

649
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 5: about it. But the irrational confidence I admire. Oh man,

650
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 5: what was that guy like Monte Ellis who had a

651
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 5: lot of irrational confidence and throw these heat checks. That

652
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 5: was like doctor.

653
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 4: Phillip Philip Seymour Hoffmann. And there's along King Polly has

654
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 4: a lot of rations.

655
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 5: Yeah it's and hoops yes, all irrational doctor j and uh.

656
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 5: And then it came down to me and Dom at

657
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 5: the end, and I used some guile. I had one

658
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 5: where I stood under the basket and had the one

659
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 5: hand flip it up to take advantage of my long arms.

660
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 5: Got him on that. I got him with what used

661
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 5: to be my my horse finisher. It was called the

662
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 5: dog bottom one leg, one hand, left lag on the ground,

663
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 5: only right hand shot from you know, top of the

664
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 5: keysh bottoms. And then we beat him hiding behind the

665
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 5: pads on the left baseline. And that was it. I

666
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 5: thought I was done for. This was not up to

667
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 5: my standards. All Ama shout of basketball probably a year,

668
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 5: but once I got in a little bit of a rhythm.

669
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 5: It's sorry to feel. It's hard to feel a little

670
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 5: bit better.

671
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 3: It was weird.

672
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 5: The shots that I thought felt pure were all a

673
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 5: little short and right. But then I had to compensate

674
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 5: for that.

675
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: And then yeah, you're learned.

676
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm learned, man. But we had a great time

677
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 5: in there. But I'll tell you the most impressive thing

678
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 5: that I saw in all of this, and unfortunately for

679
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 5: this young man, we don't need a kicker. We've got

680
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 5: Andre Schmidt. We've got Andre, and he is a good kicker.

681
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: Really, but young Gabriel, go on.

682
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 5: Young Gabriel had two kicks. Now, there may have been

683
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 5: some things that happened in between these two kicks, but

684
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 5: we don't need to talk about that. But his first kick,

685
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 5: his first kick from twenty boom boomer, high end over

686
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 5: and right down the middle, slight right to left. And

687
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 5: then his last one we backed it up to thirty kaboom,

688
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 5: right down the middle. Very impressive.

689
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: Young Gabriel.

690
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 5: He's like yeah, He's like, I really want to kick

691
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: off field goal. I'm like, you can kick and he's like, yeah,

692
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 5: put it down there.

693
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: Wam it?

694
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 5: Really? I was like whoa it really young, Gabril, well done,

695
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 5: take a bow?

696
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 3: Thank you? Yeah, yeah, well done.

697
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 5: And we missed Gibbe in there. I think give would

698
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 5: have had a great time.

699
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: I think you would have.

700
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: I'd like to see Gibbe in that horse game.

701
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 5: I would have loved to have seen Kevin Duckworth's shot

702
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 5: in that horse game. Yeah, I think he I been

703
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 5: bill part right right, and everything that you just described.

704
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: You're missing his oaster tag. And there we go.

705
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 4: I got I washings, Oh yeah, books, little and drill.

706
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: That was my first bucket. I rebounded a miss and

707
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 5: I went back up with a jump hook. And then,

708
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 5: as I whenever I make a jump book, I say,

709
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 5: banned in forty eight states because my coach, Whitworth, tried

710
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 5: to band the Jumpok, why would you ban the jump?

711
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 5: Did they tell Kevin Willis he couldn't jump up?

712
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 7: No?

713
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 5: Why did they tell Kareem? Why that was the sky?

714
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 5: Why'd he bann my jump hook? Because I didn't mess

715
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 5: with it and he hated me? I really think that

716
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 5: seems reasonable.

717
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: Both.

718
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 5: I'm gonna text I'm gonna text Vince. Vince. Yet, I'm

719
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 5: gonna say, do you remember why wit banned my jump hook.

720
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: If he comes back with like five whole text pages

721
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: about why. Well, the best part was I want him

722
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: all on the air, all right, all over on every

723
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: hearing of the grievances.

724
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 7: Uh.

725
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 5: The best was then we had then we played a game.

726
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 5: We had one game where he banned us from shooting

727
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 5: jumpers in a game we were not allowed to shoot jumpers.

728
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: Only was he allergic to winning.

729
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 5: We won anyway.

730
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 3: I mean, there's others, but the best was I finag

731
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 3: in the middle school program.

732
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 5: I finagled at like the end of a third quarter,

733
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 5: where like I could have passed it in for a

734
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 5: layup or maybe maybe we could have gotten a layup.

735
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 5: But I kind of held it till there was one

736
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 5: second left and I had to take a jumper. Yeah,

737
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 5: and he was pissed.

738
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: Then he wast me do what second left?

739
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 7: Hold?

740
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: What do you want? What I do? What I do?

741
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 7: What I do?

742
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything, coach, coach.

743
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, soon as gonna he'll he'll remember.

744
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, we'll look look forward to the answer

745
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,319
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Speaker 4: look back on twenty twenty five and look ahead to

762
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six. We are on the offensive side of

763
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: the ball and we are in the tight end room,

764
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 4: and the news of last night only enhances this conversation,

765
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 4: Doctor Ze.

766
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 5: It most certainly does, and I think really going into it,

767
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 5: you know the only guy that you can say is

768
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 5: for sure going to be on this roster in twenty

769
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 5: twenty six is Harold Fannon, and Harold Fannon had a

770
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 5: tremendous season. I think that there are you could say

771
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 5: that he should be a pro bowler, and I think

772
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 5: that that would be a valid thing. I think you

773
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 5: should could have been in the you know, conversation for

774
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 5: the offensive Rookie of the Year, maybe not a winner,

775
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 5: but a finalist. Seventy two catches, seven hundred and thirty

776
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 5: one yards, six touchdowns receiving. He scored a touchdown running

777
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 5: as well, lined up in the slot, lined up out wide,

778
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 5: lined up in the backfield. In fact, Harold Fannin's touchdown

779
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 5: against the New England Patriots on our opening drive using

780
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 5: that kind of insert where he comes from the backfield,

781
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 5: inserts up in the sea gap and then runs that

782
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 5: corner route where they have a clear out route to

783
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 5: the right. That is the same concept that the Seahawks

784
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 5: used on the touchdown to aj Barner. Now he was

785
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 5: it was a window dressed differently. Barner was in motion

786
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 5: from a wing left, but came right out the sea gap.

787
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 5: Play action in that direction, clear out to the right.

788
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 5: He runs the flag and obviously it caused confusion the linebackers.

789
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 5: He ends up open just like Fana did. So that's

790
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 5: something that that I guarantee if you were to ask

791
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 5: Kln Kobi act that came from what we did with

792
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 5: Harold Fannin in that game against New England when they

793
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 5: were putting that game plan together one hundred percent and

794
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 5: worked in the Super Bowl as well. But he's the

795
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 5: only one that can guarantee to be back, you know.

796
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 5: Blake Whiteheart ended up injured, two catches on six targets

797
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 5: for forty yards and seventeen games. Brendon Bates ended up

798
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 5: injured as well. He had four catches for forty eight yards.

799
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 5: Sal kanela To had two catches for eleven yards and

800
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 5: two games, and he signed to a reserve futures contract.

801
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 5: Baits is an extrict exclusive rights free agent. Blake Whitehart's

802
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 5: a restrict for agent. This is I think this is

803
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 5: a position group where the Browns could bring somebody in

804
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 5: and draft somebody. I think you could see. I think

805
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 5: I think Harold Fannin could have two new people there.

806
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 5: They may be fine with, you know, Whiteheart or Baits

807
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 5: is the third we'll see. But I would say the

808
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 5: only person right there that is putting roots down in

809
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 5: Cleveland for the twenty twenty sixth season. In this room

810
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 5: is Harold Fannon, and you're likely gonna have three, So

811
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 5: that could be a spout where you've got two new ones.

812
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 5: Oh there it is, there it is, Yes, there it is.

813
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: They know, so exciting.

814
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,240
Speaker 5: So it's not exciting. Oh it's not exciting at all.

815
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 5: But maybe, but maybe, but maybe, good work, doctor J.

816
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: He's back, j J so back.

817
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 5: And also what I saw from him today made me

818
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 5: wonder how he didn't absolutely dominate that league, Like, how

819
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 5: was he not one hundred and two every week?

820
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't have the sin caller.

821
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 4: Maybe he didn't have a mid forty Jeff George in

822
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 4: there slinging it around an they.

823
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 5: Know, what he had was probably in his late twenties,

824
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 5: D one quarterback, like with real accolades other than Georgia

825
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 5: Flag Football Championship championship in the year two thousand.

826
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 2: Listen, you can't fake chemistry.

827
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 5: That's true. I also think that perhaps now this is

828
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 5: the one variable in the two that I need to note,

829
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 5: is that the first time we were throwing the duke

830
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 5: around today, we were throwing around Tarv's awesome indoor Football

831
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 5: League San Diego squad. That's white and it's got the

832
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 5: stars and strip and yeah, we tell a good spiral.

833
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: That's on Fridays after we go taping Premium Player.

834
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 5: You go in there with tires a little bit. Oh yeah,

835
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 5: so that that was a variable.

836
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 4: So, yeah, the duke is a more difficult ball to

837
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 4: catch if you if you're not used to it.

838
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, what did you think, doctor David? Do you think

839
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 5: this was an easier ball to catch a little softer

840
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 5: on the hands?

841
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the duke. The duke can be.

842
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 5: It's formidable, especially when they get it inflated to like

843
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 5: those crazy levels and it's just.

844
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: Like a rock.

845
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 7: It's a rock.

846
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I'm with I'm with Brady the flate gate.

847
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 5: You like you like to have a little squeeze in

848
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 5: that ball for me to throw it. I like a

849
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 5: little squeeze in that ball.

850
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too?

851
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 5: Is that funny?

852
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: It's appropriate? So we have like one mentioned on Twitter.

853
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: We have one notification and I feel like it could

854
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: be from your ex high school coach's burner account Whitworth.

855
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: It says fire is a girl. He's horrible. That's the

856
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: only thing that's come across in the last like twenty minutes,

857
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: and I'm like, is this the coach burner?

858
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 5: It's the clutch guys Man.

859
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: Was like, I think he had the he had the

860
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: thought he could be.

861
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: What if he's like Shooter in Hoosiers and he's just

862
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 4: a drunk in the in the woods of Ohio.

863
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 3: Coach wit is She's I don't know, can you live

864
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 3: in the woods. Have a lot of respect for him.

865
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: I have a lot of respect for he was your

866
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: arch nemesis.

867
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: He wasn't a little bit an even player.

868
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 4: Senior year because of the guys fact, how could he be?

869
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 5: I mean a ton of percent. Well, I didn't. I

870
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 5: don't know if he's walking around woods that he wants

871
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 5: to yeah, to kill me.

872
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to kill you.

873
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 5: Just what you're saying.

874
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 4: I was trying to like, No, I said, Shooter in Hoosiers.

875
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 5: He was like walking around with like a I thought

876
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 5: he was walking around with like a rifle.

877
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: No, he's going to be he's a shooter. No, I

878
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: was thinking Shooter.

879
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: If you guys have seen Hoosiers, right, yeah, Okay, the

880
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 4: drunk in the woods his nickname was Shooter for God's sakes.

881
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 5: Okay, good. Well actual, just trying to appeal to his

882
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 5: humanity right there, in case he was already made his

883
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 5: mind made up, like busy and uh, Billy Madison.

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00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: I'm glad that guy. What did he say? What did

885
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: Sandler say?

886
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 7: When?

887
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: Uh?

888
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: Who did he shoot?

889
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 5: He saved him? He shut the saved him.

890
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 3: Yeah he saved Yeah, he goes. I'm glad I didn't

891
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: mess with that guy.

892
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, because he had the list.

893
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 3: He was like, I think you did mess with this guy.

894
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 5: So I said to Vince, he said, soon, do you

895
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 5: remember why went banned my jump hook? His his reply,

896
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 5: because he's a dumb beep. Same as when he banned

897
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 5: us slapping the backboard.

898
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: You got banned for slapping the backboard too.

899
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 5: They banned slap on the backboard. So high school, when

900
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 5: you weren't a big dunker, absolutely loved us slap the backboard.

901
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 5: So he banned fun, yes, which is maybe why he

902
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 5: didn't like me so much. Yeah, yeah, he banned. But

903
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 5: the jump book was a deadly weapon. I didn't like

904
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 5: to go, you know, I didn't. I didn't go and

905
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 5: paint much. But when I did, my move was the

906
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 5: I had the jump hook. I like to shoot it

907
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 5: with my right hand. I could go left with them,

908
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 5: but typically when I went left, I hit a one

909
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 5: legged fadeaway. If I went right, it was the jump hook,

910
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 5: and I could get that off against just about anybody. Yeah,

911
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 5: they banned it.

912
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: No fun guys, A no fun guy.

913
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: What do you think?

914
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: What do you think if if Todd Monkin could put

915
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 4: together a tight end room, what's it look like.

916
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna want I mean Fan, and I

917
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 5: think is exactly what he wants. Fan is gonna be

918
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 5: his new Mark Andrews. I think that he wants another

919
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 5: a second, you know, kind of movish tight end, who

920
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 5: could in fact be Isaiah Likely who's a free agent.

921
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 5: And then I think he wants somebody that you know,

922
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 5: can really block, like Charlie Kohler. That's the role that

923
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 5: he had for the Ravens last year. Now, remember I

924
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 5: don't know if he's gonna, you know, try to have

925
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 5: a rocard here. Now, that could be Aiden Huntington, right,

926
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 5: that kind of what Aiden Huntington became our recard last year.

927
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 5: But I think he wants probably two guys that he

928
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 5: can use as pass catchers and can move around formations.

929
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 5: And then he's gonna want one guy who is just

930
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 5: an absolute beast as a blocker.

931
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, yeah, all right, Well we'll see where all

932
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 4: of that tracks out by the time we get to

933
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: Minnie Camp and all the things that they're coming here

934
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 4: over the next couple of months.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next, we will go around the sports world.

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Speaker 4: go around the sports world. This happened yesterday, didn't get

948
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 4: a chance to talk about it. Per Adam Schefter, there

949
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 4: will be a push this offseason to extend the NFL

950
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 4: trade limits from three years of draft picks to five.

951
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: This would mean that currently picks through twenty thirty one

952
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: would be tradable as opposed through twenty twenty nine. Gibbe

953
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 4: and g Man and Doctor J want to know what

954
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 4: would this mean for NFL trades. This is basically put

955
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 4: in place to protect the teams from themselves, is it not?

956
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 5: What is the way that it currently is? Yeah, to

957
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 5: pretend that somebody's going to offer five ones for Joe

958
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 5: Burrow is what I think it's going to mean. I mean,

959
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 5: somebody's gonna do that or somebody, you know it. Just

960
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 5: people are going to be able to make bigger swings

961
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 5: to go after, you know, big players. I think that

962
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 5: it allows for some more future trading where you're just like, hey,

963
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 5: I really want this person, Yeah we really want to one. Well,

964
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 5: we'll give it to you in four years. Like who

965
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 5: the heck know? Was what picked that's to be in

966
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 5: four years. I don't mind it. I think I'm all

967
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 5: for true. I think trading's fun. I'm all for it.

968
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 5: I'd like to see the league be able to be

969
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 5: more flexible, uh and more you know, nimble when it

970
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 5: comes to trading, and be more creative. Sony and I

971
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: think they need to push the trade deadline back. I

972
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 5: think if the NFL is going to go to an

973
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 5: eighteen game season, I think the trade deadline needs to

974
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 5: be after twelve games, where you really know if you're

975
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 5: edit or out of it two thirds of the way through,

976
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 5: and then you can have a make a reasonable decision

977
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 5: at that point if you want to trade or not.

978
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 5: I think when you do it when it's too before

979
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 5: people know, I just don't think you get a lot

980
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 5: of trading. And it'd be super easy. If you think

981
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 5: this guy's a piece to me winning a Super Bowl,

982
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 5: You're like, hey, I'll give you a a one in

983
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 5: twenty thirty, right, sure, who knows the GMS don't even know.

984
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 5: They might not even know, Like I might not even

985
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 5: be the GM in twenty thirty. It might not even

986
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 5: be my problem. Now it's probably saying true of the

987
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 5: acceptor of that trade. But you know, that's how I

988
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 5: could see some stuff like that going on. By the way,

989
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 5: Senior or Swag right now holding court with like twenty

990
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 5: people out there. Since he's he looks fantastic. He's in

991
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 5: the glare from the sun, which is a wonderful thing

992
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 5: to say. So I can't give you a color on

993
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 5: it looks like he's got the monk straps, those brown

994
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 5: among straps on the bottom. Obviously a tight pant sport coat.

995
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 5: I can't tell if it's a suit or if it's

996
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 5: a If it's a sport coat with a it could

997
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 5: be a matching navy suit. Is what it's looking like,

998
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 5: beause I try to assess the situation from here.

999
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, designer ends and a for sure custom tailored.

1000
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 5: For sure, there's no doubt.

1001
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 4: Did you watch any of the basketball last night, your

1002
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: beloved Wildcats?

1003
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: No.

1004
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 5: Once I saw that the other the guy wasn't playing

1005
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 5: and that Arizona said they're going to take the night off.

1006
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 5: They don't want to risk it in a game that

1007
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 5: really doesn't have consequences. I knew they were going to

1008
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 5: just drop the game, and you know, we got to

1009
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 5: get a loss out of the way beforehand.

1010
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: Look at what a bummer, man?

1011
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 5: I think it is a suit. I think it is.

1012
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 5: I think it's an evy. It's a navy Suit's a

1013
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 5: window pane.

1014
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 3: What was our guy's reason for not playing last flu? Yeah? Yeah, okay, yeah.

1015
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: Did you see the barstool video that they grabbed?

1016
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: No?

1017
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 4: So They videoed a guy who was running the scores

1018
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 4: table saying nobody knew about it.

1019
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: Darren went up to the coach and.

1020
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 4: Said and self basically said like, well, if you're not

1021
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 4: one hundred percent, don't play. And Darren was like blanket

1022
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 4: them out And that happened like fifteen minutes before a

1023
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 4: Kansas ad. Then you like inn like quote tweeted it

1024
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 4: and said, this isn't true. This isn't someone who has

1025
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 4: any inside information. They're not working with the University of Kansas.

1026
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 4: It was someone who was working with ESPN. So there's

1027
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 4: all this drama surrounding it. Meantime, Kansas just wins on

1028
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 4: Monday Night on Big Monday. Bill SEPs like forty to

1029
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 4: zero on Big Monday in can't louth at Kansas just

1030
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 4: does not lose. But it was a bummer man, because

1031
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 4: you wanted to see him against them.

1032
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and.

1033
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 5: You'd want to do away. Yeah, no loot, loot Olsen alrp.

1034
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: No, no loot. It's not a round in a while.

1035
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: How long has it been since Lute also was a

1036
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: coach at Arizona twenty.

1037
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 5: Years too long?

1038
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 3: Probably?

1039
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the loot and Bobby Olsen court that's there's

1040
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 5: I mean, look at there are a lot of lumina.

1041
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of things going on. Jesus wee.

1042
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of people in the building.

1043
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 4: So just Miami Ohio is the last undefeated.

1044
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: Yep, that's crazy. Yeah, Mac Mac.

1045
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 5: Should be at a good player.

1046
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 3: Mac should be a two bid league. By the way,

1047
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: should this year? You know this? You were downstairs frolicking

1048
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 3: with Nathan zegera Akron Kent going to ESPN U picking

1049
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 3: up National TV.

1050
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, well did you see like Miami plays Ohio on

1051
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: Friday night at nine o'clock and that's ESPN National. Yeah, yep,

1052
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 4: should Yeah, it's gonna they keep finding ways to win,

1053
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 4: they do.

1054
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can fill it up.

1055
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 4: All right, we'll talk a little uh, we'll talk a

1056
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 4: little offensive football with our buddy Jake Burns of the

1057
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 4: Browns film breakdown coming up next.

1058
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00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,200
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Speaker 4: the Browns Film Breakdown and you can follow him at

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Speaker 4: Brown's Film BDN on Twitter and he joins us there, Buddy,

1070
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 4: always good to talk to you. Let's just start with

1071
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 4: some generalities of a Todd Monkin offenses you've watched through

1072
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 4: the years, whether that was here or certainly at Georgia

1073
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: or with Baltimore. What would you describe from Todd's perspective

1074
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 4: as non negotiables for his offensive football team.

1075
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 7: I think he likes to have flexibility. I certainly don't

1076
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 7: think there's anything really rigid about what he likes to do.

1077
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 7: He seems to be malleable. That's kind of been impressive.

1078
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 7: If you recall back when he came to join Freddy

1079
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 7: Kitchen staff back in twenty nineteen, a lot of what

1080
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 7: he did in Tampa was eleven personnel based, and there

1081
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 7: was a lot of excitement about downfield opportunities and I

1082
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 7: think if we you know, it's amazing, we're going back

1083
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 7: almost six years, seven years now to think about that,

1084
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 7: it seems like yesterday. But they definitely did push the

1085
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 7: football downfield. There just were too many mistakes made at

1086
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 7: the quarterback position that year, too many turnovers created. I

1087
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 7: think there was probably a little bit of a lack

1088
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 7: of cohesion between maybe what Todd thought was best and

1089
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 7: what Freddy thought was best, and it was just a

1090
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 7: little bit of a clash. But nonetheless, what ultimately came

1091
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 7: of that is I think he went to Georgia with

1092
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 7: the idea of reshaping some of his identity. And obviously,

1093
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 7: if you go to Georgia and there's a couple guys

1094
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 7: there that are, you know, pretty good at the tight

1095
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 7: end position, and Brock Bowers and you know, the big

1096
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 7: fellow Washington over there in Pittsburgh, you definitely have to

1097
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Speaker 7: shape your offensive identity around those guys because you know

1098
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 7: they're they're pretty pretty freaky players at the position. So

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Speaker 7: when you have, you know, the ability to use a

1100
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 7: guy in Darnell Washington who's an extra tackle but can run,

1101
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 7: you have Brock buys, you get a lot of flexibility.

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Speaker 7: So what I noticed when watching his final season at Georgia,

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Speaker 7: that team that beat TCU to win the national championship.

1104
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Speaker 7: They know that come back win over Ohio State. They

1105
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 7: were really because again when you have those two, they

1106
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 7: had Ladi mcconkee, they lived in twelve personnel. They really

1107
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 7: liked condensed stets, and they really wanted to put the

1108
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 7: quarterback in a spot to process things with with without

1109
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 7: having like rigid structures. You would give a lot of

1110
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 7: zone man concepts zoned to one side, man to another.

1111
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 7: He would create great blocking angles for his tight ends

1112
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 7: and putting them in space and giving them a chance.

1113
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 7: And he'd be really good at play action at putting

1114
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 7: things that look like their run game from the gun,

1115
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 7: they would get under center some they were not afraid

1116
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 7: to also do some pistol stuff too, and then they

1117
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 7: would create great play action opportunities as well. A lot

1118
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 7: of that, like very tight trips bunch stuff where you

1119
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 7: have the three man instead of being spread wide, they

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Speaker 7: would be next to the tackle box. Love to use that.

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Speaker 7: And as I go into more of what he did

1122
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 7: is he leaves Georgia, goes to Baltimore for three years.

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Speaker 7: He arrives in a place with a really good tight

1124
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Speaker 7: end situation. Right, It's obvious to see the fit between

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Speaker 7: the two sides. Why why they would be drawn to

1126
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Speaker 7: him from the from the Baltimore side based on what

1127
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Speaker 7: he was doing in Georgia. So I think what's interesting

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Speaker 7: to me is he gets there the first year they're

1129
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 7: a bit more of a gap run offense team, and

1130
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 7: they try to get the tight ends involved as frequently

1131
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 7: as they can off that look. Then they get Dereck

1132
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 7: Henry and they convert to more zone running because that's

1133
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 7: where Derek is most comfortable, kind of red react and

1134
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 7: then you be that patient runner who makes that powerful

1135
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 7: cut and gets downhill. So they have converted a little

1136
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 7: bit of the run get But like, it's hard to

1137
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 7: really put Todd Monkin's approach in a box because I

1138
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 7: think year over year it can be really fluid based

1139
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 7: on what he thinks his best for his personnel. And

1140
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 7: I know in that interview room that's the thing that

1141
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 7: the Browns are drawn to that he doesn't live inside

1142
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 7: of a box. He can look at the personnel they

1143
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 7: have call back on several different places of different offensive

1144
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 7: philosophies dating back to his Oklahoma State days with Brandon

1145
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 7: Whedon and we know how special that group was with

1146
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 7: Justin Blackman, and like working through years of working with

1147
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 7: Jameis Winston and trying to figure out what's best for him.

1148
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 7: He's just been around a lot of places, and it's

1149
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 7: obvious to see to me that he has the ability

1150
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 7: to kind of pull from those experiences and make it work.

1151
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 7: And I am really interested in him with a mobile

1152
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 7: quarterback because what he's able to create for not quarterback

1153
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 7: run game, but for creation of moving throws for his quarterbacks,

1154
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 7: it's really fun stuff. I think that that's a part

1155
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 7: that I think he gets undervalued on at times is

1156
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 7: giving his quarterbacks ways to create clean pockets by using

1157
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 7: run action, play action and run heavy looks that make

1158
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 7: the defense match it with personnel and then create a

1159
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 7: very limited amount of things the defense is comfortable doing

1160
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 7: because they're living in the world that they got heavier

1161
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 7: guys on the field. That means less blitzing, that means

1162
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 7: more predictable coverage and thus obviously easier to find some answers.

1163
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Speaker 5: So we were talking about, you know, David Njoku released

1164
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 5: his statement yesterday that he would not be back, which

1165
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 5: is not unexpected. Harold Fannon will be back. What do

1166
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 5: you think Todd Mounkin wants the rest of that tight

1167
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 5: end room to look like? We were talking about that

1168
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Speaker 5: in the first hour. And also I have to give

1169
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 5: you a shout out because I was talking about something

1170
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 5: that I noticed watching the Super Bowl, and then I

1171
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 5: noticed as I looked in here that you actually did

1172
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 5: a video about this that the Seahawks touchdown to Barner

1173
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 5: was very similar to our touchdown to Harold Fannin against

1174
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 5: the Patriots. So good job by you on that one

1175
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 5: in a great video. People can check that out. But

1176
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 5: what do you think he wants this tight end room

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Speaker 5: to look like?

1178
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

1179
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Speaker 7: That play was like sit up on the edge of

1180
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 7: your couch like the DiCaprio meme when you're snapping your

1181
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 7: fingers watching the team is funny, y, Yeah, I recognize

1182
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 7: that exactly right they they You know, I think the

1183
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 7: modern football approach is calling for tight ends. And again

1184
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 7: this isn't new. There's been ebbs and flows of this stuff.

1185
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 7: But what you want to be able to do is

1186
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 7: either be light and be good at being light and

1187
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 7: have guys like like then again, this is just one example,

1188
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 7: but the Puka Nakuas and those types of guys who

1189
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 7: are unafraid if you're in eleven personnel to go into

1190
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 7: the box insert against the linebacker or a safety, but

1191
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 7: can also run dynamic play actions. Same with having extra

1192
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 7: tight end. If you can have tight ends who can

1193
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 7: be effective first and foremost in the blocking phase and

1194
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 7: then be dynamic catchers of the football, which we know

1195
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 7: Harold is off of that, that's where you can start

1196
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 7: to create complications for a defense. So what you want

1197
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 7: to do is try to find the hybrids in those worlds.

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Speaker 7: And I think that we can agree that Harold, although

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Speaker 7: you know he's young, came into the league at twenty.

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Speaker 7: I think the blocking phase is certainly work in progress.

1201
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Speaker 7: But we saw how dynamic the young man is after

1202
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 7: the catch, and they're going to want to get that going.

1203
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 7: My theory on this is that they're going to want

1204
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 7: to pair him with some veterans. I don't think they're

1205
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 7: going to have the patience necessary to go out and

1206
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 7: maybe draft a couple later. They might still draft one,

1207
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 7: but I think there's going to be interest in a

1208
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 7: primary blocker tight end to go with him, who can

1209
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 7: also be a part of concepts in the past game.

1210
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 7: So you know, think of the Charlie Cohlers of the

1211
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 7: world who he just left, or if you wanted to

1212
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 7: get into a hybrid type of player, you could look

1213
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Speaker 7: at like Patrick Riccardni. Again, these are just guys Todd knows,

1214
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 7: and those are names that people have obviously thrown out there.

1215
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 7: But there's guys at the level like Indiana is Riley

1216
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 7: Nakowski that can be that player that can come in.

1217
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Speaker 7: You know, alec Ingold was this down in Miami for

1218
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 7: for Mike McDaniels offense. You're looking for some guys who

1219
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 7: can really give you good blocking opportunities and good numbers

1220
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 7: in the box. And then you're obviously and that's a

1221
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 7: good thing. Like you know, the structure with the Browns

1222
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 7: are chasing is trying to find a way to be

1223
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 7: successful in you know, running the football against dense boxes.

1224
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Speaker 7: There's a really good Travis Switzer who's the new offensive coordinator.

1225
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 7: He over at the Harball Academy put together a video

1226
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Speaker 7: on accounting for the eighth man in the blocking game.

1227
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Speaker 7: This is what they're gonna try to be getting better at.

1228
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 7: So they're gonna want some guys who can come in

1229
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 7: and immediately block and play a role in that, and

1230
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Speaker 7: that's why I think they get a little aggressive in

1231
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 7: free agency or the trade market in trying to supply

1232
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 7: some guys next to Hales Fan and both in the

1233
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 7: fullback opportunity and both in that tight end opportunity that

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01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 7: give him a chance to stay on the field be

1235
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 7: more of the wide receiver weapon he is. But also

1236
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 7: we still have a guy out here who can really

1237
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 7: block if we run say split zone when we're taking

1238
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 7: the tight end to kick out the opposite edge, or

1239
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 7: run a y counter where we're sending the tight end

1240
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 7: up and through on a linebacker. That's the stuff they'll

1241
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 7: want to do. So I think that's where you see

1242
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 7: some aggressiveness and free age. I don't think they're gonna

1243
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 7: spend a ton of money, but I do think they're

1244
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 7: gonna look at weapons that can help them in the

1245
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 7: in the you know, hybrid package offense game. Whether that's

1246
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 7: a receiver maybe people don't know a ton about, but

1247
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 7: is a really willing blocker you know, to be able

1248
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 7: to do that stuff. And that's where I also think

1249
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 7: Maliki Corley could have an interesting role going in the

1250
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 7: next year too. Those guys who are really willing to

1251
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 7: get in there and block and be physical inside the

1252
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 7: tackle box. So that's the stuff I'm predicting. Obviously, they

1253
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 7: need to reshape this offensive line, and I think they'll

1254
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 7: obviously go out and get a little aggressive perhaps in

1255
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 7: the trade market there ahead of the draft, but it

1256
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 7: is like reshaping the physicality of this offense, I think

1257
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 7: is the spot they want to be. And if you

1258
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 7: look at some of the weapons, because I still think

1259
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 7: Jerry Judy's got to set for a bounce back here.

1260
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 7: I think they've got weapons at the wide receiver position.

1261
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 7: They're gonna go out and expand on those, but they

1262
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 7: want to be able to then live in a world

1263
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 7: where they're making defense is uncomfortable, and I think that's

1264
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 7: where they go out and maybe go after that tight

1265
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 7: end of a more blocking variety, but can also sneak

1266
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 7: out and do some things in the short intermediate parts

1267
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 7: of the field too.

1268
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 4: Talking to Jake Burns of course Brown's film Breakdown Fame

1269
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 4: follow him at Brown's film BDN on social Jake, you

1270
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 4: mentioned the weapons aspect there with Jerry Judy. Nathan and

1271
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 4: I have been talking about weapons for a while, all

1272
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 4: the way back to last year. You sit there at

1273
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 4: six is there a type of receiver in terms of

1274
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 4: body type, route running type that fits or is it

1275
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 4: kind of back to that original answer you gave where

1276
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 4: he's really malleable. He can work with whatever he needs

1277
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 4: to work with here to make it work.

1278
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 7: Well. The great question, and what I would say, which

1279
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 7: is a really lame answer, is just pick the best

1280
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 7: one at six. If you think Carnel Tate, who's more

1281
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 7: of a ball winner, Like if Carnell Tate's a ball

1282
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 7: winner by variety, Like he's not really a slot guy,

1283
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 7: very vertical routrey, but he's physical. He certainly can play

1284
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 7: through contact, he can get open, he can run. If

1285
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 7: you think he's the best guy that you think is

1286
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 7: going to hit, take like they're like, what I'm getting

1287
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 7: at is they don't have so many slot guys of

1288
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 7: that you know, or deep ball lidlifter types or outside

1289
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 7: perimeter only guys. That means you need to like, oh,

1290
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 7: we got to steer away, not like evaluate the holistic

1291
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 7: picture of what this guy is. And if you think

1292
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 7: he's the best one, take him takes very good. I

1293
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 7: like especially some parts of his game. I certainly think

1294
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 7: he can play outside play Z in the NFL play wide.

1295
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 7: He can he can certainly beat guys off the line

1296
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 7: of scrimmage. Good release package. Jordan Tyson obviously you know

1297
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 7: the Cleveland connection with his brother who's playing very well

1298
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 7: for the Calves. He is like a basketball player on

1299
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 7: the football field as a wide receiver, extremely fluid, probably

1300
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 7: the best break package, really the best technician in the

1301
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 7: classify the highest ceiling. The problem a little bit that

1302
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 7: they have to evaluate this, you know, is the injury history.

1303
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:56,439
Speaker 7: Is that a bit of a problem. Is that gonna

1304
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 7: Is that gonna cause you to maybe not want to

1305
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 7: take him so much there? That's true to evaluate too.

1306
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 7: But then there's Mikayle Lemon, who's been a slot demon

1307
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 7: out at USC who's just really good too that can

1308
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 7: play inside out. He's got really good ball skills tracing

1309
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 7: the football. I think the thing that's funny to me

1310
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 7: is like there's the belief that there weren't going to

1311
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 7: be very many good receivers. This is a really good

1312
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 7: wide receiver class that's pretty deep. You can even get

1313
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 7: into the like, hey, we're around our second round, third

1314
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 7: round picks, and like the guys who are interesting, like

1315
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 7: Ted Hurst out of Georgia State, who had a great

1316
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 7: senior Bowl who I think is fascinating can be there

1317
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 7: or even looking into some guys like in the second round,

1318
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 7: top of the second round, if you got crazy, maybe

1319
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 7: you took a couple of tackles early in the class

1320
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 7: and you just like found yourself feeling like Omar Cooper.

1321
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 7: It picked thirty nine, the Indiana kid. If a call

1322
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 7: back to the touchdown in the back of the end zone,

1323
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 7: there the sweet feet there on the on the back line,

1324
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 7: he's really good too. So there's there's a lot of

1325
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,919
Speaker 7: opportunity to find what they need in this class, which

1326
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 7: I think we could all agree is offensive line wide receiver.

1327
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 7: And I don't think that they're probably it's not meant

1328
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 7: to be a bad thing, but I don't think they

1329
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 7: need to limit themselves into fitting some of these guys

1330
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 7: too much in their early picks into like it's got

1331
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 7: to be a very specific thing. No, I think they're

1332
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 7: at the point where they need to add whatever they

1333
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 7: think is the best player at those spots. If they

1334
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 7: get you know that they took two offensive tackles, I

1335
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 7: don't think any of us would be bothered, you know

1336
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, So, like go Chase the best players

1337
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 7: at those positions you need, and I think this class

1338
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 7: has exciting talent with those spots.

1339
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 5: What do you think of Denzel Boston, because that's a

1340
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 5: name that we've seen. If the Browns, you know, they're

1341
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 5: kind of two ways you can do it, right. You

1342
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 5: can take a receiver at six and then address the

1343
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 5: offensive line late in the first round early in the second.

1344
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 5: Or you could take offensive line at six and then

1345
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 5: get try to get a receiver, you know, late in

1346
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 5: the first round. That's a name that's been mocked to

1347
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 5: us quite a bit if they do take a tackle,

1348
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 5: let's say at six.

1349
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I even got real weird and was looking at

1350
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 7: like a mock where like the wide receivers could go

1351
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 7: earlier than we think, Like a couple of these I've

1352
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 7: been looking into, like the Jets and the Titans take

1353
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 7: you know, Jordan Tyson and any combination of the two

1354
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 7: in Cardinal Tatan and you're sitting at six and you

1355
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 7: want a guy, and then maybe you take a tackle

1356
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 7: Moyaga or whatever. You know, you take Spencer Fano out

1357
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 7: of Utah and then you're up at pick twenty four

1358
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 7: and maybe there's this Monroe freeling kid or out of Georgia.

1359
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 7: That's really good, and you also look in at the

1360
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 7: opportunity to maybe take Kayleb Blowmau in Utah. There's a

1361
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 7: world where they can be like, hey, we could solve

1362
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 7: our tackle in this draft in the first round. And

1363
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 7: then that's where I was talking about, like an Omar

1364
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 7: Cooper or maybe a Casey concepts. The own falls back

1365
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 7: to thirty nine, and you're interested in that spot if

1366
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 7: they do go into the twenty four range. At wide receiver,

1367
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 7: Denzel Boston's fun. I mean a lot of traits that

1368
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 7: people really like. Man would be in six three, two

1369
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 7: ten more ball winner. He's like when you say an

1370
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 7: X receiver, that's usually for people that don't know like

1371
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 7: positions are lettered. So a Z receiver is usually to

1372
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 7: the formation strength off the ball that gives him a

1373
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 7: little bit more of a cleaner release, usually tilts more

1374
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 7: space in his direction. He's got the whole field to

1375
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 7: work with with the ball on the hash, He's got

1376
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 7: a lot of space to get open on deep posts

1377
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 7: and comebacks and in breakers. Whereas an X is like teams,

1378
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 7: for example, the Browns put Denzel Ward to guard that

1379
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 7: X receiver. It's the boundary player, the tight space player,

1380
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 7: the ball winner type usually has to make people, you know,

1381
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 7: get open in a phone booth as a theory of

1382
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 7: like tight space in the NFL, and those guys are

1383
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 7: hard to find, right, But Boston has some of those traits. Man,

1384
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 7: he's got a good size, good frame, only has a

1385
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 7: four percent drop rate in the college space. He's got

1386
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 7: a lot of ability to run those quick hitter routes

1387
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 7: like slants or whip routes that give him quick space.

1388
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 7: He can break down man coverage. I think there's plenty

1389
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 7: to like here, good ceiling, but like I said, some

1390
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 7: of the downfield stuff is really encouraging. Maybe not the

1391
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 7: most bursty guy, the most high speed, highest amount of time,

1392
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 7: but like think of him like trying to think. I

1393
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 7: think I've heard people say Michael Pittman. I certainly can

1394
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 7: see that in the colts world. I've even seen people

1395
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 7: throw out. Bradwan Edwards is a comprom from a way

1396
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 7: back that Browns fans are familiar with if we think

1397
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 7: of the good parts of Brayln Edwards day in Cleveland.

1398
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 7: So you know, again, a guy similar to Carnell Tait

1399
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 7: in his in his physique, probably not as as naturally

1400
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 7: gifted as Carnell, not as naturally gifted in the route world,

1401
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 7: and certainly not I don't think as well. It does

1402
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 7: as well in the ball tracing aspect in terms of

1403
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 7: going up, getting it, catching off frame, things like that.

1404
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 7: But if you're looking at pick twenty four like a

1405
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 7: guy that can give you some of those high end traits,

1406
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 7: you're taking a little bit more risk. But again, I

1407
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 7: think there's enough there to feel really excited about in

1408
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 7: that range, because again you got to think, like pick

1409
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 7: twenty four doesn't mean a guy's like you know, it's

1410
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,560
Speaker 7: just a fit at that point, right because JSN I

1411
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 7: think if you're redrafted that that guy's going top five,

1412
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 7: but he was picked twenty So it's just fit teams

1413
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 7: need and all that. And I think that if you

1414
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 7: look at the teams around that pick twenty four, not

1415
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 7: many of them are wide receiver hungry. So I do

1416
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 7: think he's got a chance to be there, and that

1417
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 7: would be certainly interested in him.

1418
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 4: Chake the last two quarterbacks that Todd worked with, or

1419
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 4: Stays and Bennett Lamar Jackson. There's very little that those

1420
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 4: two players have in common, but he made it work

1421
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,520
Speaker 4: with both when you talk about an open quarterback competition

1422
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 4: and got to see what everybody's all about. What do

1423
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 4: you think he will look for out of this room

1424
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 4: by the time we get to all of that.

1425
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 7: STEP's admit it. When I went back and watched that

1426
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 7: twenty two film Sneaky Athlete, Guys, pretty good runner, I

1427
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 7: would say he loves to have quarterback movement flexibility. I

1428
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 7: don't think it's a part of like he can't operate

1429
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,799
Speaker 7: in a world without he certainly has done that for years.

1430
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 7: I do think he's very interested in having guys that

1431
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 7: can at times, could you pull the football and run

1432
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 7: a little bit, Yeah, that'd be nice. That obviously creates

1433
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 7: the opportunity to read a backside end or do some

1434
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 7: unique things or what he harps on a lot, which

1435
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 7: is creating a play outside of structure, to create plays.

1436
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 7: I would talk about this with quarterbacks like there's a

1437
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 7: play and then there's the guys in the league who

1438
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 7: can and create a play out of another play that's

1439
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 7: getting out scrambling, making a guy miss either running for

1440
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 7: first downs or throwing, and creating big plays off of

1441
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 7: their ability to get out of the pocket. So just

1442
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 7: by sheer like who's in the building. I think we

1443
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 7: can agree that Shador at times last year invited pressure

1444
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 7: into the lap and he sometimes created but he was

1445
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 7: also pretty good at getting out of it and when

1446
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 7: it would arrive. And that's an encouraging part of his

1447
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 7: ability is hey man, can you make people miss? Can

1448
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 7: you get out of the chaos and try to create

1449
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 7: some plays? And that's an interesting thing that he's certainly

1450
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 7: shown last year late in the year that he could

1451
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 7: do that. Obviously, Deshaun Watson goes way back with that,

1452
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 7: but you got it, like, what version of that are

1453
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 7: you getting anymore? That's kind of the thing that I'm

1454
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 7: sure they're all going to be trying to decide this

1455
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 7: offseason of what is there. But I mean, I think

1456
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 7: Monkin can live in a world that he doesn't have

1457
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 7: to do that. I certainly think it's a thing that

1458
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 7: he would like to have, is a quarterback that's not

1459
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 7: a sitting duck, a guy that can actually get out

1460
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 7: and run a little bit here and there. And I

1461
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 7: think that even Dylan Gabriel obviously can get out and

1462
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 7: move a little bit and run away from people in

1463
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 7: space here and there too, So I listen, I certainly

1464
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 7: think he every quarterback coach, every play call, every head

1465
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 7: coach loves a quarterback who can run. What he needs

1466
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 7: more than anything is a guy who plays on time

1467
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 7: within the pocket and is efficient there. We'll take everything

1468
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 7: we can get outside of it, but we need guys

1469
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 7: who can make good decisions in the pocket, play on time,

1470
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 7: handle the little things, and take care of the football.

1471
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,799
Speaker 7: I think that's the stuff he's gonna want first and foremost,

1472
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 7: as any coach does. This kind of sounds like coach

1473
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 7: speak what it is, and then you get to the

1474
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 7: added bonus traits, which I think he'll certainly want. But

1475
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 7: I know he wants to play with the needs. He

1476
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 7: wants decision making to happen. He'll want to play on time.

1477
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 7: He doesn't like taking negatives. Nobody does. But he's really

1478
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 7: about doing as many things as he can motion shifting,

1479
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 7: formation advantages, to create chaos for the defense, to keep

1480
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 7: the offense moving forward all the time. The only way

1481
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 7: you're taking negatives, I think in this offense is when

1482
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 7: you make the mistake to take it. And I think

1483
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 7: that's the biggest thing I've noticed in the last four

1484
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 7: years of this film is he's doing everything he can

1485
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 7: to give you an advantage in the pre stap. He's

1486
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 7: really good at that, and I think that's been a

1487
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 7: very big trademark of what he's done. So he needs

1488
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 7: to find somebody who can take all that information he's

1489
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 7: giving them and both in the run game and pass

1490
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 7: game make the right decisions to get the team in

1491
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 7: the best situation every snap. We'll see if that players

1492
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 7: on the roster, there's certainly going to be some interesting

1493
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:36,919
Speaker 7: answers otherwise.

1494
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, like I said earlier, I did this season ticket

1495
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 5: member kind of chat with coach Monkin earlier, and one

1496
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 5: things we talked about was quarterbacks and how much the

1497
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 5: game has changed in you know, since he was early

1498
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 5: in the NFL. In terms of back then it was

1499
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 5: you know, I need a guy that can be on time,

1500
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 5: that can be in structure, and you really cared more

1501
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 5: about quarterbacks that were able to operate from structure then,

1502
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 5: you know, on what he would call the second play

1503
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 5: out of structure, and now it's almost the opposite, like

1504
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 5: you need somebody that can make an Even went out

1505
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 5: of his way to say, you know what Detroit has

1506
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 5: done with Jared Goff given his physical limitations, is he said,

1507
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 5: is incredibly impressive that he's on time, he's in rhythm.

1508
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 5: But you know, when you don't have those kind of

1509
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 5: second play things, he said, it's tougher. And he said

1510
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 5: the best teams in the red zone have mobile quarterbacks

1511
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 5: because the quarterbacks then can break you down with their

1512
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 5: legs as well. So I think that he definitely wants

1513
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 5: somebody with movement skills. I think you've got to be

1514
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 5: able to be a leader. You've got to have the

1515
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 5: confidence of your teammates. They've got to be want to

1516
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 5: believe in you and follow you and all of those things.

1517
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,839
Speaker 5: And yes, you do have to be able to avoid negatives,

1518
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 5: as you said, but I do think that they're Todd Mounkin.

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01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 5: I think after especially about being around Lamar Jackson, what

1520
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 5: he can do for you in the run game. I'm

1521
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 5: not saying he's looking for another Lamar. There aren't. If

1522
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 5: it was just that easy, it would be that easy.

1523
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 5: But I do think he wants some movement skills there.

1524
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 5: You know, when you look at this thing, you know,

1525
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 5: and it's funny. He also was asked about balances. It's

1526
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 5: gonna be a run team, is it gonna be a

1527
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:08,839
Speaker 5: pass team? It's gonna be a balance team.

1528
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 3: Jake.

1529
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 5: His answer to that was, you know, balance is to

1530
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 5: me using every play every skill player. It's using all

1531
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 5: the talents of my running backs, it's using all the

1532
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 5: talents of my pass catchers, all the talents of my

1533
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 5: tight ends, all the talents of my wide receivers, making

1534
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 5: them defend every blade of grass horizontally and vertically. And

1535
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 5: so that he goes, you know, there are times you

1536
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 5: need to run the ball four minute backed up, you know,

1537
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 5: goal line things like that. But you know, and there

1538
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 5: are times where you have to be able to pass

1539
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 5: the ball, he said, But for the most part, when

1540
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 5: you're in the middle of field, you don't have to

1541
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 5: run the ball. If you're not in some of those situations.

1542
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 5: I just thought it was interesting his perspective, and I

1543
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 5: think he're very right that he's just going to take

1544
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 5: what he's got and try to make it as simple

1545
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,560
Speaker 5: for those people so they can play fast and is

1546
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 5: kind of confusing for the defense. I'm kind of excited

1547
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 5: about it. I think it's going to look very different

1548
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 5: than what we've seen here in the past. But I

1549
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 5: do think with Switzer coming over as well, you think

1550
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 5: this is going to be a big year for Quinn, Shawn, Judkins,

1551
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 5: Jake And obviously we've got to run the ball. We've

1552
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 5: got to remake that offensive line. We know that. But

1553
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 5: George Warhop is here, and just kind of when you

1554
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 5: watch some of the things that they did on the

1555
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 5: ground and they're multiple, the fact they were multiple, the

1556
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 5: fact that you know a Ricard is a free agent,

1557
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 5: but also you know you've got Aiden Huntington. Maybe he

1558
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 5: can fill that role that I think this is. I

1559
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 5: think his offense, while it's great for quarterbacks, he's one

1560
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 5: of the highest air yards per attempt for his quarterbacks

1561
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 5: in the league. That you are. I think we're going

1562
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 5: to really run the football and and this could be

1563
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 5: I think it should be a big year for Quinnjown, Judkins,

1564
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 5: no doubt.

1565
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 7: And I even like Bobby Johnson, who they brought in

1566
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 7: as the assistant offensive line coach. I and there's nothing

1567
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 7: against anybody whos been here, Andy Dickerson or Mike Bloomgren

1568
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 7: or anybody. And I think we can all agree that

1569
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 7: they're going to reshape some of the talent up front.

1570
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 7: So it's not it's not one to one comparing some

1571
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 7: of these things, but they're going to emphasize that they

1572
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 7: have to get back to being the bully team that

1573
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 7: we remember. I mean, not much has gone consistently right

1574
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 7: for the last decade or so, but but since two thousand,

1575
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 7: since Joe's draft, like they've just the brown that have

1576
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 7: good offensive lines and they've gotten away from that. And

1577
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 7: that's not necessarily any one thing. That's just age and

1578
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 7: attrition and some things like that. But they need to,

1579
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 7: like the commitment has got to be to get back

1580
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 7: to that, because you just don't see teams getting to

1581
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 7: the super Bowl winning the super Bowl that don't have

1582
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 7: that as a part of their ammunition. And like that's

1583
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 7: a huge focal point. I agree with you totally about

1584
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 7: Quinn Shawn Judkins. I think they're gonna find better ways

1585
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 7: to get Dylan Sampson involved in unique ways. He did

1586
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 7: a really good job with Keaton Mitchell over there in Baltimore.

1587
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 7: My theory on Todd Mankin, and I'm sure you would

1588
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 7: probably echo this, and I know I listen to you guys,

1589
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 7: and you have like, I don't know how well he'll

1590
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 7: do as a as a leader of an NFL team,

1591
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 7: I really don't. You know, he's got to not only

1592
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 7: continue to build the staff I saw he's keep Inducedially,

1593
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 7: I think that's a great decision. There's an interesting layer

1594
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 7: to the staff he's bringing in. I certainly think that

1595
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 7: there's appeal to some of these guys. We'll see what

1596
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 7: they do with the defensive coordinator. It's whether Todd can

1597
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 7: really get his guys to believe in him from a

1598
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 7: staff perspective and then facilitate that out to the field.

1599
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 7: But what I will guarantee Browns fans is this guy

1600
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 7: knows offense man, and he will put to other plans

1601
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 7: that are gonna look different than the things you've seen

1602
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 7: in the last six years. No offense to anybody running

1603
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 7: anything the last six years, Kevin and then obviously you

1604
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 7: know Ken Dorsey and then obviously what what Tommy Reese

1605
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 7: is of there. Just it was it was a very

1606
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,839
Speaker 7: boxed approach, and that's works for many teams in the NFL.

1607
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 7: This is just gonna look and feel different. They're gonna

1608
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 7: do different formation stuff than you're used to. They're gonna

1609
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 7: get the ball out of the quarterback's hands in different ways,

1610
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 7: and it is just gonna feel different. And what I

1611
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 7: have confidence in is that Todd can run offense no

1612
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 7: matter where he is. He could do it in his sleep.

1613
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 7: He knows that side of the ball really well. It's

1614
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 7: just about again, how good this team is collectively is

1615
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 7: can they continue to be as good as they were

1616
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 7: on defense and the offense continues to step into a

1617
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 7: better place. And I think that's the reason to be

1618
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 7: optimistic about it. We'll see if he can handle the

1619
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 7: whole shebang of being a you know, leading the entire franchise.

1620
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 7: That's a big, big thing to have on your plate,

1621
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 7: especially when you're trying to, you know, continue to run

1622
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 7: the offense the way you run it throughout your coaching career.

1623
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 7: But I just I have a belief that the offense

1624
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 7: will look and feel more modernized and things that you

1625
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 7: will see you will really appreciate on that side, and

1626
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 7: hopefully that you know, I think the edge that Todd

1627
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 7: brings to the offense, hopefully that can push that group

1628
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 7: in a better position and meet the defense a little

1629
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 7: bit and then you see more wins. And I think

1630
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 7: the schedule next year has a really awesome opportunity to

1631
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 7: see a quick turnaround.

1632
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 4: Jake, appreciate the time, buddy, You're the best. Yeah, thanks

1633
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 4: for giving us a little bit of your time today

1634
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 4: and your expertise.

1635
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 7: Guys, it's always my pleasure. Thanks for having me on.

1636
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 4: All right, there he goes Jake Burns of the Browns

1637
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Speaker 2: A little higher lower?

1647
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 3: Wow.

1648
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 4: NFL Power Rankings twenty twenty six, Hello, Gibbe the way too.

1649
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 3: Early NFL Power rash and they incorporated all the NFL

1650
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 3: Nation reporters and this was out. Literally the Super Bowl

1651
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 3: Trophy was just getting cold smart. Yeah, content baby, yep,

1652
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 3: all right, you want content, Well boy, you got it

1653
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 3: all right. Should the following teams be higher lower? Or

1654
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 3: are they just right? First and foremost, these goofballs have

1655
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 3: us as number thirty two. Okay, I'm going to tell

1656
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 3: you right now.

1657
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 5: Come on, man, we beat the Raiders last.

1658
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 3: You put the Jets ahead of us. Come on, the Jets,

1659
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like the Jets the Raid. The Jets are

1660
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 3: thirty one, the Raiders are thirty, The Dolphins are twenty nine,

1661
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 3: and some of the Arizona Cardinals are twenty eight.

1662
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 4: Come on, I think that Arizona and the Jets are

1663
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 4: the two worst circumstances. And I think the only thing

1664
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 4: really helping Arizona is just climate. Yeah, but everything else

1665
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 4: is a is a debacle. Yeah, Like we have a

1666
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 4: great defense, like that's we've got young stars, Like we've got.

1667
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 5: Player of the year in the defensive Rookie of the year.

1668
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, We've got fan and we've got junkins like

1669
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 4: you've got bub kiss. You got nothing on the Jets

1670
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 4: and the Cardinals nothing.

1671
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 3: I don't I don't understand any of that. Yeah, I'm

1672
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess the Dolphins have some weapons, but

1673
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 3: they're kind of a mess and they don't. But what

1674
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 3: are they doing? They're gonna run Kua back?

1675
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 4: No way, I think that's gonna be he's gone and

1676
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 4: we'll pay part of it. Yeah, it feels like Malik

1677
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 4: willis to.

1678
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 3: Me, in which case the tiebreaker goes to us because

1679
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 3: we have a defense. Yeah, yes, right, I don't come on. Yeah,

1680
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:22,719
Speaker 3: that's low hanging fruit.

1681
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 5: I think that they made us last because we're the

1682
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 5: only one with four words.

1683
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 3: You didn't play by the rules. I got you, not me.

1684
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, I know, not you. Because the late

1685
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 5: round draft picks, like late round is that's they hyphenated that.

1686
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 5: But that's like, actually, that's that's legit. Yeah right, it's

1687
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 5: like a late round draft pick. You're saying, fifth round

1688
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 5: and fourth, fifth, fourth round and nine.

1689
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to where the AFC North the

1690
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 3: other AFC North teams are ranked. Kevin hit it.

1691
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 1: Or lower.

1692
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 3: The top ranked AFC North team comes in at number fourteen.

1693
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 3: By how the Mighty have fallen the Baltimore Ravens and

1694
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 3: they're offseason in three words, all about Lamar. The Chargers

1695
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 3: are behind them at fifteen. Directly in front of them

1696
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,759
Speaker 3: are the Chiefs at twelve and the Texans at thirteen.

1697
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 3: Should they be higher lower or are they just right?

1698
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 4: Bo Bishop, Well, it's currently constructed. They should be higher

1699
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 4: than Kansas City because Patrick Mahomes has a devastating into

1700
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 4: injury and we don't know when he's gonna play.

1701
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 2: Maybe plays at the beginning.

1702
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if he is or not, but I

1703
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 4: would probably have Baltimore ahead of Kansas City based on

1704
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 4: the Mahomes injury. I know he's saying that he's going

1705
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 4: to be there by the beginning, but that's fast tracked

1706
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 4: in a big, big way.

1707
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 2: Who else did you say was ahead of him?

1708
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: The Houston Texans were thirteen.

1709
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 4: I mean, Houston's defense is certainly better, but yeah, I

1710
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 4: mean this is probably pretty close.

1711
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 3: They got rid of their coach.

1712
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:07,480
Speaker 2: This is probably pretty.

1713
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 4: Close to the sweet spot for Baltimore, honestly, based on

1714
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 4: all the unknowns spent a lot of time since we've

1715
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 4: had unknowns around them.

1716
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think a lot of it also is

1717
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 5: the question of, you know, what does Lamar Jackson want

1718
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 5: to be as a quarterback? What is he willing to do,

1719
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 5: you know, at this agent's career, or is he now

1720
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 5: unwilling to do some of the things that made him

1721
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 5: so dynamic and take that pounding of being somebody who

1722
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 5: spends a lot of time running.

1723
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 3: MM hm, next higher or lower. The next one up

1724
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 3: in the AFC North comes in number sixteen. It is

1725
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 3: the Northern Kentucky Bengals. The off season in three words,

1726
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 3: improve the defense, kid, No kidding. I could also say

1727
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 3: missed your window. There you go, there's three words for you. Yeah,

1728
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 3: I like that higher, lower, or just right. Tampa Bay

1729
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 3: is behind them, Dallas is behind them, and you know

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01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 3: there's suspects in front of Them's the girl.

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01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 5: I think middle of the league is probably where they

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01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 5: should be, with obviously the potential to rocket up from there.

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01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 5: But it feels like that's probably appropriate for them. But

1734
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 5: they've got the chance to jump right up because they've

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01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 5: got Joe Burrow, Jamar Chas and t Higgins.

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01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 3: Bishop.

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01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would echo that.

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01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 4: I mean, this isn't necessarily the most intriguing, but I

1739
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 4: think that this is kind of sweet spot. I think

1740
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 4: this is there's not much difference between you know a

1741
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 4: lot of these teams in here. These are all teams

1742
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 4: that with a good offseason, could you see I mean,

1743
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 4: just go from Kansas City, Houston, Baltimore Chargers, Bengals like

1744
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 4: those ones, and then I would put Dallas in there

1745
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 4: and maybe not Tampa but like with a with a

1746
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 4: move here or there, would it surprise me if those

1747
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 4: were playoff teams or NFCAFC championship teams.

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01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 2: Not necessarily, I don't.

1749
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,719
Speaker 4: They're not that far off, you know, just a little

1750
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 4: bit of puck luck and have good off seasons, you

1751
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 4: could be right there.

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01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 3: Next higher core lower final one is the Pukers Pitts.

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01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 3: Puke comes in at twenty one. And I'm not going

1754
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 3: to ask you higher lower, but I did find it

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01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 3: interesting Brooke Pryor's off season in three words, not a rebuild. Hmm,

1756
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I subscribe to that. They should?

1757
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 5: They should? What is the ceiling if that's what they're doing?

1758
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 5: What is the ceiling if this is not a rebuild.

1759
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,759
Speaker 5: If this is what they're doing, what are they trying

1760
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 5: to do?

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01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 3: No, I shouldn't like Brooke wrote that, but their CEO

1762
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 3: Art Rooney was clear he doesn't view this offseason as

1763
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 3: an opportunity to rebuild. So this is coming from clearly

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01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 3: the higher ups and she's taking it from that.

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01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 2: Well, you can define it however you want, but it's

1766
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:03,759
Speaker 2: a rebuild.

1767
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 5: It's a build.

1768
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 4: They need to be built, you know, I mean, they

1769
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 4: haven't been a contender. They haven't won a playoff game

1770
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 4: since what sixteen?

1771
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is it that long?

1772
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 5: They have not won a playoff games in sixteen? That

1773
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 5: is correct? Okay, so they need to be built. I

1774
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 5: think it needs a rebuild, and like, what what is

1775
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 5: bringing back one year of Aaron Rodgers?

1776
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 3: Again?

1777
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 5: Do I just I don't.

1778
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,440
Speaker 3: I don't quite understand howlonging the inevitable.

1779
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think anybody would think that they were

1780
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 5: a danger to winning the Super Bowl.

1781
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 3: No, No, nope, not at all. I don't. I don't

1782
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 3: understand that.

1783
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:45,759
Speaker 2: They weren't a danger in the AFC.

1784
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, All right, let's go back up to the

1785
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 3: top ten. keV higher lower. Seattle is number one as well?

1786
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 3: They should in this way too early Power rankings for

1787
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. Number two is the Super Bowl runner ups,

1788
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 3: the New England Patriots high or lower?

1789
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 5: Just right, Nathan, do you say number twenty two is

1790
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 5: the New England Paper?

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01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 3: No, number two?

1792
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 5: Number two? I was like number twenty No, Carolina Panthers

1793
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 5: coming into twenty two a little disrespectful. I'd say they're No,

1794
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 5: they are not the second best team in the league.

1795
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 5: The Rams are better than them right now, I think

1796
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 5: that the Niners might be better than them. I think

1797
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 5: the Broncos at full strength are probably better than them.

1798
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 5: But they're a good team, I put the I think

1799
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 5: they belong in the top ten. But I think a

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01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 5: lot kind of went right for them to be in

1801
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 5: that position that they were. I mean, it was clear

1802
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 5: to me that the NFC championship game was the Super Bowl. Yes,

1803
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 5: and so if that's the case, then you're not You're

1804
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 5: not the number two.

1805
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 3: Team, all right, Bishop the next one here because we're

1806
01:27:55,160 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 3: up against it. The Rams are number three, the Broncos

1807
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:06,759
Speaker 3: are number four, the Bills are number five. Denver higher lower,

1808
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 3: just right at number four.

1809
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 4: I would have Denver. I would have Denver as the

1810
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 4: highest rated AFC team. I would probably have them right

1811
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 4: about where they are four or five, but I would

1812
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:24,799
Speaker 4: probably go Seattle Rams, Niners, and then probably Denver, although

1813
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 4: probably yeah, probably Denver there. I would probably have Denver

1814
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 4: four or five someone there. I think they're the best

1815
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 4: team in the AFC heading into the offseason. I think

1816
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 4: they you know, obviously, with the injury to Nicks, it

1817
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 4: would have probably been different when it comes to that game,

1818
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 4: and I'm with you, I would have New England somewhere

1819
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 4: in the Jacksonville, Philly, Chicago Green Bay world is kind of.

1820
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 3: Where I would have New England. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, completely.

1821
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 3: The Bills are five forty nine or six, the Lions seven.

1822
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 5: It's high. That's high on the Bills, guys, very high

1823
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 5: on a regime that had a lot of issues on

1824
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 5: defense and really has Josh Allen and James Cook and

1825
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 5: they need they need a lot of help on offense.

1826
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 5: That's because that's Josh Allen. That is them saying that

1827
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,560
Speaker 5: Josh Allen is the best player in the NFL, and

1828
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 5: the best player in the NFL can't be lower than five.

1829
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:19,799
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, Jacksonville was nine, Packers ten and the Bears

1830
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,839
Speaker 3: were eleven. To round out, kind of like that top grouping.

1831
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 2: It's too damn low for the Bears.

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01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 3: I think.

1833
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 2: So they're better than Detroit.

1834
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 3: I think they might be better than Green Bay. They

1835
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 3: just beat him.

1836
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 5: I like the Bears.

1837
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's too low.

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01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 5: It is going to be very very interesting.

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01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 3: It might be better than Philly. Frankly, Yeah, I think

1840
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 3: Philly's got some serious questions they got to look at. Yeah.

1841
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 2: I think he might be right. So much more to come.

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