1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Disgraced YouTube star mommy blogger 2 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: Ruby Frankie cries in court when she is told she 3 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: will serve up to thirty years in prison for the 4 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: brutal abuse of her own children in a quote concentration 5 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: camp like setting. Let that sink in a concentration camp 6 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: like setting. You know, I was thinking about that. I 7 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: was thinking about I asked the twins yesterday, do you 8 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: want me to make mozzarella chicken or do you want 9 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: me to make Irish shepherd pie for supper tonight? Which 10 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: one would you like the most? Just thinking of any 11 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: little thing I can do to make them happy. You know, 12 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: they're sixteen now, they don't really need me anymore. But 13 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,919 Speaker 1: anything I can do to try to make them happy 14 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: makes me happy. This woman starved her children, She duck 15 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: taped them, She abused, berated and humiliated her children. I 16 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: know I can use a lot of parenting advice and tips, 17 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: but I am telling you this woman needs to rot 18 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: behind bars. Oh and get a load of this. She 19 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: stands up in court and elocutes, in other words, blabs 20 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: on and on about her distorted vision of reality that 21 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: led her to abuse her children. 22 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: Woman. 23 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: Do you think you're any better than the other child 24 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: abusers out there? 25 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: Because you're not. 26 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: I don't care how attractive you think you are, how 27 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 1: educated you are, that you had millions of followers on 28 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: your YouTube show. I don't care. You're going to jail. 29 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: You're getting three hots and a cot at best. Imancy, Grace, 30 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here 31 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: at Crime Stories and on series XEM one eleven. You've 32 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: got to hear this. You've got to hear Ruby Frankie, 33 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: who once had nearly three million followers to her Mommy 34 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: Advice show on YouTube, I mean, listen to this thing 35 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: in court. 36 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 3: For the past four years, I've chosen to follow counsel 37 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: and guidance that has led me into a dark delusion. 38 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: My distorted version of reality went largely unchecked, as I 39 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: would isolate from anyone who challenge me. I was led 40 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: to believe that this world was an evil place, filled 41 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 3: with cops who control, hospitals that injure, government agencies that brainwash, 42 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 3: church leaders who lie and lust, have beens who refuse 43 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 3: to protect, and children who need. 44 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 4: Abused. 45 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 3: My choice to believe and behave this paranoia culminated into 46 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: criminal activity from which I stand before you today, ready 47 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: to take accountability. Jody Hill D Grant was never my 48 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: business partner, nor was I ever employed by her. I 49 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: have never received wages from her or connections. Jody was 50 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 3: employed as my son's counselor in two thousand nineteen, and 51 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty I paid her to be my mentor. 52 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 5: It is important to me. 53 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: To demonstrate my mercenary regret without brain. I take full 54 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: accountability for my choices, and it is my preference that 55 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: I serve be prison sentence. 56 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: How much time Ruby Frankie, we'll spend behind bars will 57 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: be determined by the Utah Board of Pardons and Paroles, 58 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: and state law means she can only serve a maximum 59 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: of thirty years. 60 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: What does that mean to me? 61 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: She's going to get out early. She'll probably do another 62 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: YouTube show. Then I wonder if she's going to try 63 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: to broadcast from behind bars. This woman will find a way. 64 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: Ruby Frankie, six children in all breaks down in court, 65 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: apologizing to her quote little chicks, Hello, would those be 66 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: the ones that you bound with duct tape? Beat, humiliated 67 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: and starved? Are those the quote? Little chicks? Okay, take 68 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: a listen to this woman in court. 69 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: What a nerve that. 70 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 5: Is the moment duck who was consistently are you to safety? 71 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 5: I can't see that. One of the last four years, 72 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 5: I was in a deep undercurrent that leads to danger. 73 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 5: I la'ture into darkness swillingly. I was so sorry, but 74 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 5: all the right dark was light, and right was wrong. 75 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 5: I don't do anything in this world for you. My 76 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 5: d was to sacrifice all for you was monsterusy manipulated 77 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 5: into something very ugly. I took for all that was soft. 78 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 5: It's safe and good. That took for at the lever 79 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 5: I had terrifires must have been for you. 80 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 6: H the rest of cry. 81 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 5: I d to suppose. 82 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: You are your super everybody, just remember reality check as 83 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: you're listening to her sobbing and carrying on in court. 84 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: She tortured her children by holding their heads underwater, keeping 85 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: them handcuffed and shackled, and starving them and telling them 86 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: they were quote possessed. 87 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: How did the whole thing unfold? Let's kick it off 88 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: with our friends at ABC. 89 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 7: Arrest documents saying the child escaped to a neighbor's home. 90 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 7: The twelve year old child described by that neighbor in 91 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 7: a phone call to police as emaciated and malnourished with 92 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 7: open wounds. Court documents also describing deep lacerations from being 93 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 7: tied up with a rope. 94 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 6: About the saying that their back at the homeless bum. 95 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 7: Police say they also found Frankie's ten year old daughter malnourished. 96 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 7: Frankie is known for her strict parenting advice to millions 97 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 7: of TikTok and YouTube followers. 98 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 8: Police say a clearly malnourished twelve year old child crawled 99 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 8: out of the window of Hildebrand's Ivans Area home. A 100 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 8: neighbor called nine one one when he showed up at 101 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 8: their house asking for food and water. Officers say his 102 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 8: wrists were duct taped, he had wounds for being tied 103 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 8: up across his body. Investigators say they found a ten 104 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 8: year old girl inside the same house who was also. 105 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: Wellnourished and also hearing our friends at KSL. So we 106 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: have at least one child who had apparently just turned twelve, 107 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: crawling out the window of the family home starved. And 108 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: believe you me, if you haven't ever seen it, I 109 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: hope you never do. I pray to God you never do, 110 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: because when you see a child that has been starved 111 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: as I have. 112 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: It's something you never forget. 113 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: I think about this twelve year old little boy to 114 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: the point where he crawls out the window and goes 115 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: to a neighbor asking for food, and the neighbors see 116 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: these lacerations, lacerations for the child has been tied up. 117 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: And then we learn that there's another child in the home, 118 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: a ten year old little girl with the same lacerations, 119 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: mal nutrition, mal nourished living. 120 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: In that home. Who and the hell is the mommy? 121 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: Who and the hell is the dad that would do 122 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: this to their children? Well, I hope you're sitting down, 123 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at GMA. 124 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 7: A Utah mom influencer arrested facing six felony counts of 125 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 7: aggravated child abuse. For the first time, we're hearing emergency 126 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 7: responders as they see one of Ruby Frankie's children after 127 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 7: he allegedly escaped through a window. 128 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 6: And now that's how God favor oty you uncle. 129 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 9: He is not tying up right. 130 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 10: Tours around her with that uncle becoming. 131 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 11: Becoming emotional regarding the childtel I'm glad to. 132 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: Have with me an all star panel to make sense 133 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: of what we know right now. But first I want 134 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: to go to investigative reporter with TSL dot com out 135 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: of Utah. Emily Ashcraft is with us. Emily, thank you 136 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: for being with us. 137 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: Who is this woman? 138 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: And we're hearing a lot about the mom, But as 139 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, the father can go straight to 140 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: hell too. 141 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: But first tell me who is she? 142 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 9: She is a family YouTuber blogger and the family actually 143 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 9: it's it's YouTube channel faded out or stopped recently and 144 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 9: she started up another YouTube channel ler as a counselor instead. 145 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 11: Of a mom. 146 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 9: What is eight Passengers so that that's the family's YouTube channel, 147 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 9: and you know she said in an article KSL wrote 148 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 9: years ago that she started the channel because she wanted 149 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 9: other moms who were kind of starting out with infants 150 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 9: to see what it's like to have kids that are 151 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 9: getting older. Kind of the rewards of motherhood is what 152 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 9: she wanted to show off in her in the eight 153 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 9: Passengers YouTube channel. 154 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: How many followers did she have? 155 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: Ruby Rankie, YouTuber mom of six Ruby. 156 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: Rankie f R A n K E. How many followers? 157 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: I understand over two point two million subscribers to eight 158 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: Passengers channel. 159 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 9: That's the numbers that I've seen as well. 160 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: Okay, who in the hay is drinking the kool aid 161 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. This woman got a sweetheart deal. 162 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: She took a plea deal that shaped thirty years off 163 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: the maximum sentence and spared her from going to trial. 164 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: She claimed she was manipulated by her business partner, Jody Hildebrant. Well, 165 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: she's the devil's handmaiden as well. Sickening new details of 166 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: the torture youtubeer Ruby Frankie subjected her children to are 167 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: now public after she pleads guilty to felony child abuse. 168 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: In newly released court documents, we see the true Ruby 169 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: frank a sadistic mother, violent and cruel hell bent on 170 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: hurting her own children that she claimed were possessed and evil. 171 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: The children, as young as nine were forced to live outside, 172 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: were barefoot and the brutal utah summer heat, often shackled 173 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: and handcuffed. They were denied food and physically punished if 174 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: they were even caught trying to sneak SIPs of water. 175 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: During this Frankie would kick them while wearing heavy boots, 176 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: hold their heads underwater, and even sometimes suffocate them by 177 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: holding her hands over their noses and mouths. Finally, the 178 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: children were rescued after one of her starving, emaciated sons 179 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: escaped and ran to a neighbor's home begging for food 180 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: and water. One child, a nine year old little girl. 181 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: I found this in the court documents. The child only 182 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: described as E F was forced to run barefoot down 183 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: dirt roads. Her eleven year old little son known as 184 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: R F, and the documents was forced to stand in 185 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: the brow beating sunlight for days at a time. We're 186 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: learning this from the court documents. When their handcuffs cut 187 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: through their skin, Frankie and her so called business partner, 188 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: Jody Hildebrant would cover the gashes with duct tape and 189 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: place handcuffs over the tape. Her claims that Jody Hildebrant 190 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: manipulated her to torture her own children. That's bs. Frankie 191 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: often talked about prioritizing quote principles of truth end quote 192 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: over your own children. Well, you're going to learn the 193 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: whole new truth behind bars, woman, What more do we know? 194 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: Dona Kelly, former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney and lawyer 195 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: for Crime Victims Legal Clinic, Donna, thank you for being 196 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: with us, and I've seen this over and over and over. 197 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 2: It's not just a story. 198 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: It's not something we're reporting on. It's not some fiction 199 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: or TV made for TV movie. Not only do you 200 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: have the parents abusing the child horribly, but people around them, 201 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: they know what's happening, and. 202 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: They do nothing. What is wrong with these people. 203 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not as if this just happened and 204 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: they suddenly see, Oh, the child has bruises all over 205 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: their arms. 206 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: That's suspicious. 207 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: They're starved, they're starved. That takes a long period of time, 208 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: Donna Kelly, and nobody noticed. 209 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 6: Yes it does. 210 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: And unfortunately, many abusers are have the mindset that they 211 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 4: work hard at portraying themselves as you know, the good parent, 212 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 4: the parent you go to when you need advice. That 213 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 4: type of thing is not uncommon, and so that appears 214 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: to be what's going on here, is that this particular 215 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 4: set of parents decided that they were going to portray 216 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 4: themselves as the ideal parent and put that out there 217 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 4: to the world, and apparently a lot, at least two 218 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 4: point two million people. 219 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 6: Were fooled. 220 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: Guys, I just want you to hear something. Take a 221 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Fox. 222 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 12: Thirteen independent journalist and YouTuber Katie Paulson tracks child abuse cases. 223 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 12: She says Frankie's YouTube channel eight passengers caught her attention. 224 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 13: And she was saying how she would send her daughter 225 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 13: to school with no food, and it was almost like 226 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 13: she was bragging about it. 227 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 12: She recalls another time when Frankie's son openly talked about 228 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 12: his punishment on the channel. 229 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 13: He was talking about how he had been sleeping on 230 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 13: the floor on a bean bag chair and how his 231 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 13: mom had taken away his bed and is taking away 232 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 13: his door. 233 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: Child. 234 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: I had to sleep on a bean bank chair for 235 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: seven plus months for pulling a prank on his brother, 236 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: A prank I might add, that didn't even cause any 237 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: physical harm. What he did was he told the brother 238 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: they were going to Disneyland the next morning, and the 239 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: brother got up and packed and put on his sunglasses 240 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: and was ready to go. It was a joke. They 241 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: didn't go to Disneyland. What I also don't understand. To 242 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, you can find 243 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: her at psychologydoctor dot com. She's bad enough, but who 244 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: are the two point two million people that tune in 245 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: to watch her gibberish. 246 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 10: Well, I can tell you I certainly wasn't tuning in, 247 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 10: and I've never even heard of Ruby Frank until this 248 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 10: came up. But what's more deplorables her sidekick Jody Hildebrandt, 249 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 10: who's a license professional, who's observing this the whole time. 250 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: Two point two million people are following this witch straight 251 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: from hell. I want you to hear more of what 252 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: we have learned. Take a listen to our friends at 253 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: Fox thirteen. 254 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 12: Diane Nevins remembers and being horrified at what she was 255 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 12: watching on YouTube. 256 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 14: It was kind of like every video there was something 257 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 14: to be shocked about. Her son couldn't walk from until 258 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 14: he was like two and a half years old, and 259 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 14: she never got any help. And she admitted that she 260 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 14: had a one point he'd fallen off the couch or 261 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 14: she dropped him. He had gotten no no physical therapy anything. 262 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 12: Nevin says when she commented her concerns, she was blocked 263 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 12: by Frankie. 264 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: What exactly to Emily Ashcroff, joining US investigative reporter for 265 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: KSL dot com, what was found in the home After 266 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: the neighbor has to call nine one one when he 267 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: gets a twelve year old little boy who says his 268 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: ten year old sisters inside of the same injuries starved, 269 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: starved and covered lacerations showing the child had been tied up. 270 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: What they cops fired When they go inside. 271 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 9: They found a second child and that the two youngest 272 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 9: children in the family were both so starved. The one 273 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 9: that didn't crawl out and initially refused medical care, but 274 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 9: they after interacting with her for a while, they kind 275 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 9: of said, let's go to the hospital as well. And 276 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 9: both of the women were churched with six counts, three 277 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 9: for each child of aggravated child abuse. 278 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: Authorities say that both children were described as quote their words, 279 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: not mine, emaciated and malnourished, with open wounds and duct 280 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: tapes around the extremities, begging for food and water, begging 281 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: for food and water. 282 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: And this woman And don't think. 283 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm letting the husband off, Oh no, I'm getting to him. 284 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: This woman actually has a YouTube channel where she dispenses advice. 285 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm just imagining the inside of that home and how 286 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: the children were bound with duct tape and apparently there's 287 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: was burned with ropes having tied them up. What kind 288 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: of mothering and fathering is that it brings to mind 289 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: the so called. 290 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 2: House of Horrors. Yes, the evil Turpin parents. 291 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: Their daughter crawled out of the house out of a 292 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: window and ran to call nine to one one to 293 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: save her brothers and sisters. They were found in the 294 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: same exact condition. Take a listen to our cut thirty five. 295 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: Our friends at ac GTN. 296 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 15: Officials say when they entered the Turpin home they found 297 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 15: a modern day who foul smell, extremely dirty conditions, and 298 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 15: they say it was immediately clear that the siblings were malnourished. 299 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 15: Authorities say they found three of the children shackled to 300 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 15: their beds with chains and padlocks, kept in dark and 301 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 15: unclean conditions inside this Riverside County, California home. Deputies located 302 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 15: twelve children inside the house as young as two years old. 303 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: And upon further investigation, when authorities went to their last 304 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: home where the Turpins lived, they found claw marks on 305 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: the inside of closet doors where children had tried to 306 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: claw their way out. And listen to this nine to 307 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: one one call in our cut thirty six. This is 308 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: a Turpin child that crawled out the window much like 309 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: this influencer's child did. 310 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 16: Okay, I listened a family of fifteen people, and my 311 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 16: parents are abused in the abuse us and my two 312 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 16: little sisters right now are chaned up. 313 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 11: And how many of your siblings are tied up? 314 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 16: Two of my sisters, one of my brothers. 315 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 11: How are they tied up with rope or with what? 316 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: It's ching? 317 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 16: They're changed up to their beds. 318 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: In the last days, we also learned that high profile 319 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: YouTuber Rupy frank Ruby Frankie's husband who left her calls 320 00:20:53,040 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: for the judge to quote jail his horrific and inhumane wife. Really, well, yeah, 321 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: she should go to jail, But where the hey were you? 322 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: Where the hell were you, Kevin Frankie when your children 323 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: were being abused? 324 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 17: Huh? 325 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: Can you answer that? That's right? Ruby Frankie's a strange 326 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: husband publicly demands the max for Ruby Frankie. Yes, she 327 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: deserves it. I'm just curious where he was this whole 328 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: time while his children were being waterboarded and abused and tortured. 329 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: That said, he's not on trial right now. Ruby Frankie's 330 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: the one that pled guilty. What more do we know? 331 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 2: Guys? 332 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to doctor Free 333 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: has joining US pediatrician pediatric emergency medicine expert, child safety expert. 334 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: And you can find doctor free hes at pdmom dot com. 335 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: Let me spell that doesn't look like it sounds. It's 336 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: like pediatrician p as in Peter E. D as in 337 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: daffodil I pedimom dot com. Doctor free has thank you 338 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: for being with us. What this woman has is hair 339 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: and makeup. That's what makes her different from the Turpin 340 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: family or the other mom. They're all builds a up 341 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: straight from hell. They're the devil's minions. 342 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 11: Yeah, and that's actually a very big misconception that a 343 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,239 Speaker 11: lot of people have about abusers, child abusers specifically. I 344 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 11: think a lot of people have in their mind that 345 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 11: it's only a certain type of person that can do 346 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 11: these types of evil things to children, and it's not. 347 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 11: It can literally be anybody. 348 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you think you know your neighbor, You 349 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: think you know all about what's going on in your neighborhood. 350 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: These children are being starved in their own home, assaulted, 351 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: tied up with ropes and with duct tape that we 352 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: know of based on the evidence we're hearing so far, 353 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: and nobody did a thing. And people kept watching this 354 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: woman online Jason Jensen joining me Salt Lake City, Utah, 355 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations, co founder of 356 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: the Cold Case Coalition, and you can find them at 357 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: Jensenprivate Investigations dot com. 358 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: This is in your neck of the woods. What do 359 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: you have to say? 360 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, there's a lot that can be said here. 361 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 6: It's interesting that you know, the outer image that was 362 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 6: being portrayed. You know, like you describer Glamour's mom raising 363 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 6: six kids, wants to show off to the world how 364 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 6: to do it right. Well, you know that seems to 365 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 6: really have like a Mormon household style image. Oftentimes in 366 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 6: the church here in our community, they try to portray 367 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 6: to the world a model style of raising a family, 368 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 6: and unfortunately this lady took matters way to the extreme. 369 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 6: Were not just showing like discipline online, but goes to 370 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 6: the extreme of child abuse. 371 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: Jason Jensen, isn't it true that your children have actually 372 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: watched this woman's YouTube channel? 373 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: What did they think? 374 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 6: Yes, Nancy, Actually, my two kids were the ones that 375 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 6: brought Ruby Frankie to my attention, because years ago, when 376 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 6: they were younger, they watched and enjoyed the channel, and 377 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 6: sometimes they got a kick out of it because she 378 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 6: was such a gruff parent. She was always harsh on them, 379 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 6: and it kind of gave them the impression that she 380 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 6: was a disciplinary And what both of my kids said 381 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 6: is pertaining to the two younger kids the subjects the 382 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 6: victims of this recent arrest is they said they could 383 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 6: tell mom did not like these two kids very well. 384 00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: Guys, when someone did try to speak out against frank 385 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: k take a listen to what happened in our cut 386 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: seventeen Fox thirteen. 387 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 12: Paulson also saying when she did a report on what 388 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 12: Frankie and her kids were seeing in the videos, she 389 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 12: was threatened to be sued. She forwarded me an email 390 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 12: from Frankie's lawyer sent in twenty twenty that says, in part, 391 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 12: we represent the family blog Channel Eat passengers who continued 392 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 12: to be harmed by defamatory videos uploaded to YouTube by 393 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 12: your client and saying it resulted in a baseless visit 394 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 12: by Child Protective Services. 395 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 13: They always say, if you see something, say something, and 396 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 13: in this case, when people said something, they were threatened. 397 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: Let me understand something. 398 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: Emily Ashcroft, joining us from KSL Child Protective Services went 399 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 1: to the hall and what they found nothing. 400 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: They couldn't tell anything was going on. 401 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, they went to the home to talk about those 402 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 9: claims that you brought up in videos. It was clear 403 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 9: that she sent a child to school without lunch and 404 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 9: had a child sleeping on a bean bag, and so 405 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 9: they went to investigate those and that didn't lead to 406 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 9: any charges at that point. You know it's red flags, 407 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 9: but I guess not red flagnivity. 408 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: I watched it. 409 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: She brags about withholding food from her children. 410 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 2: How is that? Okay? Take a listen our cut twenty two. 411 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: This is Ruby Frankie in eight Passengers. 412 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 17: Russell got the big bedroom and Chack got the smaller bedroom. 413 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 17: And Russell's bigger bedroom also had a bathroom. But what 414 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 17: you guys didn't know was didn't get any room. He 415 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 17: didn't get anything. He was sleeping on the floor in 416 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 17: the family room. 417 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 11: Abby. 418 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 18: We took the phone away from Abby in November and 419 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 18: you may never get the phone back. Tobly, and my. 420 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 2: Kids are literally starving. 421 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 18: I hesitate to say this because it's gonna sound like 422 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 18: I'm like a mean barbarian. But I told the kids, 423 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 18: I said, I'm not even gonna let you eat breakfast 424 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 18: until you get your chores done. 425 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: It's not just that she's withholding food, and it's not 426 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: just because they didn't. 427 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: Did chores one morning before school. It's all the time. 428 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: You don't get to a point of starvation when you 429 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: occasionally skip breakfast. Isn't that true, doctor free hes pediatrician. 430 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 11: Yeah. Absolutely. You don't get to maeedd by missing a 431 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 11: meal or two here or there, and you don't appear 432 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 11: to be that to outside people unless you're missing a 433 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 11: substantial amount of meals and nutrition, which can then lead 434 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 11: to a whole host of other things that unfortunately these 435 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 11: kids may. 436 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 18: Have to deal with. 437 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: So in one fell suite we hear about with holding 438 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: food until chores are done in the morning, not giving 439 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: one child. 440 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: A place to sleep. But there's a certain amount of. 441 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: Bragging, of bravado, of joviality, of cheer, and the way 442 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: she describes how she's treating her children and what everybody 443 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: just stands by and licks it up. 444 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: Why they're a big at the trough Take. 445 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: A list an hour cut twenty four more of Ruby Frankie. 446 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 19: I just got a text message from Eve's teacher and 447 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 19: she said that Eve did not pack a lunch today 448 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 19: and can I bring a lunch over to the school. 449 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 19: This happens quite often when you're having raising children, because 450 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 19: I know that her teacher is uncomfortable with her being 451 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 19: hungry and not having a lunch, and it would ease 452 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 19: her discomfort if I came to the school with lunch. 453 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 19: But I responded and just said, Eve is responsible for 454 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 19: making her lunches in the morning, and she actually told 455 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 19: me she did pack a lunch. So the natural outcome 456 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 19: is she's just going to need to be hungry and 457 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 19: hopefully nobody gives her food, and nobody steps in and 458 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 19: gives her a lunch. 459 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: And isn't it true that at that time, Emily Ashcroft 460 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: ksl this little girl was only six years old. 461 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 9: That's what I saw is this is a first grader, 462 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 9: just you know, for hear she's bringing food to food 463 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 9: to school probably And the later the mom said, you know, 464 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 9: justifying it after after child protective services were called, she said, 465 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 9: you know, it was I didn't learn until two hours 466 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 9: before the end of school and it was a forty 467 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 9: five minute drive, so getting it to her. 468 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: Really, because that's not what she said in her. 469 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 9: Blood gratitude, she said it. 470 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: Was because the child didn't the six year old girl 471 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: did not pack her own lunch. 472 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 9: Change said that. 473 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: She knew it would ease the teacher's discomfort if our 474 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: child had food. What about the child? What about the 475 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: child's discomfort? That's not all. Take a listen to our 476 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: cuts twenty seven to twenty eight more of Ruby Frankie. 477 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 7: Kevin and I. We have six children. 478 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 18: The two youngest are showing long patterns of selfishness. They 479 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 18: have been showing through their choices, their unwillingness to repent, 480 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 18: their unwillingness to sorrow over some pretty egregious choices that 481 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 18: they've made. So Kevin and I have decided that we 482 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 18: are going to give the gift of truth to them 483 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 18: this year for Christmas. We are going to give them 484 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 18: the gift of boundaries, and we're going to give them 485 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 18: the gift of repentance. So we sat down with them 486 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 18: and we let them know how deeply sorrowful we've been 487 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 18: because of the choices that they've been making, and how 488 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 18: it's affected their teachers at school, it's affected their peers, 489 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 18: it's affected in our home, the siblings, and we just 490 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 18: laid it out very clear, and we told them that 491 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 18: this year they are not going to be visited by Santa. 492 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 18: We let them know that Christmas morning, therefore, older siblings 493 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 18: will be getting Christmas presents to open and that they 494 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 18: will have the gift of love from their dad and. 495 00:30:49,200 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 1: I time stories with Nancy Grace Ruby Frankie guilty and 496 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: the horrible mistreatment of her children awful. And then the 497 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: hypocrisy of having a YouTube program devoted to childcare. I mean, 498 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, they always say the devil can be charming? 499 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: Ain't that the truth? I just want to get my 500 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: hands around this woman's neck. 501 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 2: Then not only does she. 502 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: Do this to her children behind closed doors, she brags 503 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: about it on a YouTube channel that is two point 504 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: two million followers. 505 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 4: It's just absolutely heartbreaking to listen to her to portray 506 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 4: herself as the victim. You know, we told these two 507 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 4: children that their dad and I were very sorrowful, and 508 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 4: so she's portraying herself as the victim, which is a 509 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 4: very common abuser tactic, you know, gaslighting the victim. And 510 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 4: these are children. They need to learn by trial and 511 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 4: error as they go along, and the parents need to 512 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 4: be responding to them in that way, in a kind 513 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 4: and loving way. And it's just absolutely heartbreaking. I can 514 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 4: see why they were charged with severe emotional harm of 515 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 4: these two children. In the charging document, they're charged with 516 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 4: not only torture maltrition, but also severe emotional harm, which 517 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 4: it absolutely is. 518 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologists and consultant, what do 519 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: you make of the other children, four of them getting 520 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: all their Christmas gifts from Santa and these two being 521 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: left out on Christmas morning, one of the biggest days, 522 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: one of the two biggest days in the Christian year, 523 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: that being Christmas and Easter, and they're left out because 524 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: they wouldn't quote repent. 525 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 10: Yeah, she wants to make an example out of them, 526 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 10: punish them, humiliate them. You know, it's all this sort 527 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 10: of brainwashing, gaslightingness on a six. 528 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: Year old, gaslighting, manipulating, abusing a six year old child 529 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: and her brother. 530 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: So let me understand something. 531 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: The Emily Ashcroft, the six year old child that had 532 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: food withheld. Would that be the now ten year old 533 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: child left behind in the home, starving and tied up 534 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: when the twelve year old brother escapes through the window. 535 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 9: That would be that same child. 536 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: So this has been going on since the little girl 537 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: was six and the little boy was eight. 538 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,239 Speaker 9: One of the things that Ruby Frankie said after her 539 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 9: arrest was that those children and weren't fit to be 540 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 9: around other children. And I'm not sure what she means 541 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 9: by that, but it seems like it was specific to 542 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 9: those two. 543 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: Where is the dad and all this? What is he 544 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: doing standing by twiddling his thumbs? 545 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 9: So at this point, Ruby Frankie and her children were 546 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 9: down in Ivans, which is probably about between three and 547 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 9: four hours from Springville. We know that Ruby Frankie was 548 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 9: there because she shows up in a video and that's 549 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 9: why she was charged. She was in a video that 550 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 9: was posted shortly before. We don't know if the dad 551 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 9: was down there in Ivans, up in Springville, how long 552 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 9: he hadn't been there, or maybe he wasn't Ivans, but 553 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 9: he has the children right now. 554 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't know that he should have the children. Did 555 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: he not notice two of his children, at least two 556 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: of them, or being slowly starved and tortured near death? 557 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean, when neighbors noticed the child is starved and 558 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: covered in dut tape on their extremities. 559 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: Where was the dad during all this? He didn't know 560 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 2: what's going on? 561 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: And apparently this has been going on for some time 562 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: at least since the little girl with six guys take 563 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: a listen to our cup thirty. 564 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 6: Carturing him stopping. 565 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 17: I know you're not, but it looks like you are. 566 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,439 Speaker 19: I'm only gonna say it one more time and then 567 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 19: you're gonna. 568 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 2: Lose the privilege to eat dinner. Okay. I hear the laughter. 569 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, but I also hear 570 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna lose the privilege of eating dinner. 571 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 2: I hear Ruby Frankie. 572 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: Saying that what makes her any different from all the 573 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: other abusive parents? Hair and makeup? Two hours of hair 574 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: and makeup before she gets in front of the camera. 575 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: To Jason Jensen joining US high profile private investigator out 576 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: of Utah located in Salt Lake City, Jason Jensen, how 577 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: are we gonna go about proving this case? 578 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 6: Well, I think you hit most of it on the head. 579 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 6: And basically we have to show that there's a pattern 580 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 6: a history between the actor, the abuser and her victim children. 581 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 6: And we have that pretty well established from some of 582 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 6: the outtakes of the YouTube channel, things that have been 583 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 6: brought up by fellow viewers and that we've discussed here 584 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 6: during the program. There's a history of this type of 585 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 6: neglect and abuse against these two particular children that have 586 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 6: been slowly brewing over time, where it was perhaps determined 587 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 6: to be minor, not enough to remove the children from 588 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 6: the home before, but now we're so severe that they're 589 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 6: being bound in duct tape like you know abductees, and 590 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 6: they're not even allowed to you know, venture forth from 591 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 6: the house, and every time that they get in trouble 592 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 6: food is taken away as a punishment. 593 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: We also we're learning that one of Ruby Frankie's other 594 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: daughters says her mother was reported to police years before. 595 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 2: For abuse and nothing was done. And sisters of Frankie. 596 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: Three sisters have also released statements admitting that they quote 597 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: kept quiet on the subject. 598 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 2: What in the hay is that doctor Dana Anderson. 599 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: That the family knows, but they choose to remain quiet 600 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: and let the children continue to starve and be tied 601 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: up and bound. 602 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 8: Yeah. 603 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 10: I can't say the extent of what the family knew, 604 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 10: but they certainly had some information, and I think it's 605 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 10: interesting that they've quickly made statements to the public stating 606 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 10: what side they're on. And I wonder if what the 607 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 10: phone on would show of them attempting to reach out 608 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 10: or call CPS. 609 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: So the police, because they've issued a statement and I'm 610 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: quoting them. We quote kept quiet on the subject. Now 611 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: the daughter Sherry has something to say. Take a listen 612 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: to our cut twenty box thirteen. 613 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 12: Frank's oldest daughter, Sherry Frank, who is twenty years old, 614 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 12: posted to her public Instagram today a photo of police 615 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 12: with the caption. Finally, she added another story, saying, me 616 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 12: and my family are so glad justice is being served. 617 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 12: We've been trying to tell the police and CPS for 618 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 12: years about this and so glad they finally decided to 619 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 12: step up. Kids are safe, but there's a long road ahead. 620 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 12: Please keep them in your prayers and also respect their privacy. 621 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: The sisters, who are also YouTubers stay this is their quote. 622 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: For the last three years, we have kept quiet on 623 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: the subject of our sister Ruby Frankie for the sake 624 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: of her children, behind the public saying We've on everything 625 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: we could to try and make sure the kids were safe. 626 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 2: Really because they weren't. The three sisters. 627 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: They were starving, they were being bound by ropes and 628 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 1: duct tape, and what if anything did. 629 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: You do about it? Sounds like nothing. 630 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: Because I have a very strong suspicion that if they 631 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,760 Speaker 1: had called Defects Department, Family Children's Services, CPS, CHOP Protective Services, 632 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: and some jurisdictions, that there would have been a response. 633 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 2: Would you agree, Donna. 634 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 4: Kelly, Oh, absolutely absolutely. In this case, I am very 635 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 4: encouraged by a couple of things, and those are that 636 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 4: a lot of the evidence is going to be admissible 637 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 4: without the children even having to testify about some of 638 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 4: these things. Because when this little boy ran to the 639 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 4: neighbor for help, you know, they have observations. And also 640 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 4: anything that he told them will be admissible. Anything that 641 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 4: he told and the little girl told to the medical 642 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 4: personnel will be admissible at trial. So at the very least, 643 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 4: this case has a very strong cooperation going forward, and 644 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 4: I'm very encouraged by that. 645 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: Guys, there's another person arrested. Take a list nowur cut 646 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: eighteen Fox thirteen. 647 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 12: Eight passengers was taken down earlier this year, and that's 648 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 12: when Frankie partnered with Jody Hildebrandt, a licensed therapist, in 649 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 12: a channel called Connections where they gave parenting and life advice. 650 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 12: Here they are pictured in Hildebrandt's home, the same place 651 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 12: Frankie's son escaped from and where her daughter was found 652 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 12: being held captive in the basement. 653 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 13: It's heartbreaking, and I think it's heartbreaking for the community 654 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 13: that watched this family. 655 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 2: Knew that something was wrong. 656 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: So people watched the family and knew something was wrong 657 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: and did nothing. Now I want you to hear more 658 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 1: of what the sisters said. We went and feel right 659 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: about moving forward with regular content without addressing the most 660 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: recent events, their sister getting arrested and her friend Jody Hildebrant. 661 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: But they say, once we do, we will not be 662 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: commenting on it further. Ruby was arrested, which needed to happen. 663 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: Jody was arrested, which needed to happen. The kids are 664 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,959 Speaker 1: now safe, which is number one priority, Really the number 665 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: one priority. You say you've remained silent for three years. 666 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: Why did you stand by and let this happen to 667 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: these children? As we close, our prayers are sincere and 668 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: genuine prayers for the children of Ruby Frankie, that they 669 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: can heal and go on to live happy lives. Goodbye friend.