1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: We are joined now by a author, journalist, all round 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: incredibly talented guy, Douglas Murray new book on Democracies and 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 2: death Cults, Israel and the Future of Civilization. We appreciate 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 2: you coming on. For those of you watching on video, 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: the book is up beside me. Let's start right here. 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: I got to go to Israel in December for the 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: first time ever. I went to the kabbutz's on the 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: border with Gaza. I went all the way to the 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: north in Lebanon. I was blown away by the concept 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: which I should have understood before, but I didn't until 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: I stood on the ground that Israel really is the 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: front line of Western civilization. If it falls, then Western 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: civilization is in trouble. I know this is a big 16 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: part of the book argument you make, but do people 17 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: really understand the stakes, the consequences of what's going on 18 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: in the Middle East, and, more alarmingly, the fact that 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: a lot of people in America and other Western civilizations 20 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: have lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 3: It's very good to be with you and your listeners again. Firstly, 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: the book is an attempted to describe the atrocities of 23 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 3: the seventh of October twenty twenty three, how they came, 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: about what happened. I've been there in the zone of 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: the conflict for most of the last year and a half, 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: and so it's a first hand account as well as 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 3: a tempt to write first draft of history about the 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: atrocities of that day. But the other thing that the 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: book is really about is a much bigger question, is 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: the one, as you say, that affects us here in 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: America and the rest of the West, which is why 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: when a democracy and how I of ours was attacked 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: so brutally, with twelve hundred people massacred, two hundred and 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: fifties innocent civilians taken hostage, why did so many people 35 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: here in America sides not with the democracy that was 36 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: the deaf cult of Hamaz. And I come to not 37 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: just ask the question, but also I hope to try 38 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: to answer it. And one of the things that we've 39 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: seen and I relate that I saw it straight away 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: early on on the eighth of October, as massacre was 41 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: still going on in Times Square in New York. I 42 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: saw the demonstration of people supporting the terrorists, supporting Hamaz 43 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: in the year and a half since, we've seen this 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: disgusting outburst of hatred against the Jewish state and against 45 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: the Jewish people. Just two days ago at Princeton University, 46 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 3: Jewish students were screened at by other students telling them 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 3: to go home. The reason, in part, as you know, 48 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: and you've covered so well on your show, is that 49 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: we have lived through an era in which America, the West, 50 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: all of our allies are seen as the bad guys 51 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: over and over again. And if I have a rule 52 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: that I've developed in the last year and a half, 53 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: wherever I've gone in America, when I see an anti 54 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 3: Israel protest, I notice that they fly the Palestinian flag. 55 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: They may fly the flag of Hamas or Hezbolah one 56 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: of these other terrorist groups. They never fly the American flag. 57 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: In fact, when they find an American flag, they'll burn it. 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 3: Compare it with the pro Israel demonstrations that have happened. 59 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: They always have the flying of the Israeli flag and 60 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: the flying of the American flag, and the singing of 61 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: the Star Spangled banner and more. The people who have 62 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: been most vocal against Israel, since the massacres are people 63 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: who have also told us that they hate Israel first, 64 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: but they hate America and the West most. And anyone 65 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: who thinks that that is some kind of hyperbole, just 66 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: consider that the student group at Colombia most supportive of Hamads, 67 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: says in its founding statements that it seeks as its 68 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: aim the quote complete destruction of Western civilization, the complete 69 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: destruction of Western civilization. They see Israel as being the 70 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 3: nearest targets, as Jamaz does, but not the last targets. 71 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: Why do you think young people, compared to older people 72 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: in the United States in particular, are so susceptible to 73 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: the argument that Israel is a force for evil and 74 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,119 Speaker 2: that in some way the Palestinians or the larger Middle 75 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: Eastern community is a source of good, even in the 76 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: wake of October seventh. Why has that worked with so 77 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: many young people. 78 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: I believe because they've been prepared for this moment very 79 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 3: carefully for years. I said in my last book, The 80 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: War on the West, that Americans, this generation of Americans 81 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: coming up, were being taught hatred of America and hatred 82 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: of the West. We have seen in America the whole 83 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 3: Great history of America rewritten in recent years, students and 84 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: others told that to be an American is to be 85 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: born into guilt, to inherit the guilt of slavery, of 86 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 3: white supremacy, of colonialism, of genocide, and much more. Look 87 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: at what the pro Haamaz anti Israel demonstrators on American 88 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: campuses accuse Israel og. They accused of Israel completely falsely 89 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: as falsely against America. They accuse Israel today of genocide, 90 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: of ethnic cleansing, of white supremacy, and of all of 91 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: the sins that they have been told they themselves, are 92 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: Americans born in the twenty first century, are guilty of. 93 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: This is what a psychologist would call projection on a 94 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: massive scale. Tell me what you accuse the Jewish state of, 95 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 3: and I'll tell you what you've been taught that you 96 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: are guilty of. 97 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 4: We're talking to Douglas Murray. 98 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 2: The book is on democracy and death, Cults, Israel, and 99 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: the future of civilization. What should happen? You know, we've 100 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: heard a lot from people in the Trump era talking 101 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: about the right and wrong side of history. If you 102 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 2: can see the massacre of Jews, the worst day since 103 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: the Holocaust on October seventh and not recognize what the 104 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: right and wrong side of history is. How do we 105 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: rectify that? What should people who are smart enough to 106 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,559 Speaker 2: know better be doing well. 107 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: I believe that young people in the West, not just 108 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 3: America but principally America, but also I've seen this in 109 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 3: the last few and a half in Australia and Canada 110 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 3: and Britain and elsewhere. They've been taught into this Western 111 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: self hatred and hatred. Now that's been taught. Older generations 112 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 3: of Americans do not Hatema because they weren't taught to 113 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: hate America. Older generations of Americans don't hate other democracies 114 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: because they weren't taught to hate other democracies. Part of 115 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: this generation, not all of them. There are some great 116 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: young people coming up, but part of this generation has 117 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 3: been taught this hatred. I believe that it is going 118 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: to require a generation to teach them out of it. 119 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 4: I think that's well said. We're talking to Douglas Murray. 120 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: The book I encourage you to all to go check 121 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: it out is on Democracies and death cults. 122 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 4: It's out right now. 123 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: You mentioned younger generations and the need to teach them 124 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: about what actually has taken place. How much of this 125 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: is the perverse idea that you built on here that 126 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: white people are to blame for everything, and that Jewish 127 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: people are just seen as white and therefore in the 128 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: left wing anti American and anti Western perspective, there is 129 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: no ability to grapple with the idea that someone who 130 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: is of lighter skin could actually be a victim here. 131 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I think is partly a function of just 132 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: the broken worldview at play. 133 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: I think you're completely right. The thing that this generation 134 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: has been taught, the thing that has been across our media, 135 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: whether it's a New York Times sixteen nineteen project, whether 136 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: it's radical Democrats talking about white guilt and all of 137 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: this sort of thing, Always the Jews were going to 138 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: become a victim of this, And sure enough, the people 139 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: who believe that they're against racism are accusing. Again. It 140 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: goes back to this thing. It's a mirror of their 141 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 3: own sins, as they've been told them. Always they accuse 142 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: Israel of white supremacy. I mean, you've been there. 143 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 144 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: To me, it's one of the most ethnically racially diverse 145 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: countries on the planet. One third of people in Israel 146 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: are of European descent one third. The other two thirds 147 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: are Middle Eastern. They are from countries across the region 148 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: historically who were chased out of those countries Iraqi Jews, 149 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: Persian Jews, Assyrian Jews, and many others North African Jews. 150 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: To see white college campus kids in America accusing black 151 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: Jewish Israelis of white supremacy is even by the standards 152 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 3: of our time, and even with our probably wearied ability, 153 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 3: the ability to be shocked, absolutely shocking and shocking, not 154 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: least just for its sheer ignorance. 155 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: When you look Douglas Murray, the author of On Democracies 156 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: and Death Cults, encourage you to go read the book 157 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: what you just said the white American college kids coming 158 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: after this? When I went to Israel, the other thing 159 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: that stood out was Trump being called hitler when Israel, 160 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 2: if it could vote in the American presidential election, would 161 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: have voted like Wyoming did or like West Virginia did. 162 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: That is basically seventy thirty pro Trump as someone who 163 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: doesn't live in America. And when you hear that argument, 164 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: how outrageous and outlandish is that analogy for our current 165 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: president when it comes to his relationship with Israel. 166 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: Well, just one quick thing, I actually do live in 167 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: America when I'm not living in various war zones. I 168 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 3: hot footed it from my native Britain some years ago 169 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 3: for very good reasons, and I'd like to think I'm 170 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 3: one of the better American imports of research. 171 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 4: Well accept you, yes, thank you. 172 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: Not for me to say, but you know, because I 173 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: love this country. I love America, I love the founding Fathers, 174 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: I love American history, and I love American people. So 175 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: it grieves me enormously to see some of the wild, 176 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: wild hatred and wild claims that people have been encouraged 177 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:11,239 Speaker 3: into in recent years. Many people have been persuaded that basically, 178 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: you know, all of their history is just the nineteen 179 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 3: thirties and forties. They only know one bad person in history, 180 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 3: and that's Hitler, and their aim is to be anti Hitler, 181 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 3: which is like, wow, guys, that was a very brave 182 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: and important thing to be in the nineteen thirty. 183 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: And forties, by the way, when many of the people 184 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: were not actually anti Hitler, when it would have been helpful, 185 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 2: right exactly. 186 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: It would have really helped if there'd been more anti 187 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: Hitler people in those days. But history is a bit 188 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 3: more complicated when you're going through it, and we are 189 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: going through it now. One of the things that we've 190 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 3: seen in the last eighteen months is how many people 191 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: who regard themselves as being anti racists are in fact 192 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 3: the racists. How many people who think they're anti Nazi 193 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: are literally with a Nazi movement Hanaz. How many people 194 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: who think they would have been on the right side 195 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 3: in the nineteen thirties and the nineteen forties are on 196 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 3: the side of an anti Semitic and anti Western Deaf 197 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: cult today. The people who told us for ten years 198 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: to believe all women are the people who don't believe 199 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: Israeli women who were raped on the seventh of October. 200 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 3: This tells us nothing about the Jewish state or the 201 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 3: Jewish people. It tells us everything about the people who 202 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: have been lecturing us for years now and how wicked 203 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: they can be. 204 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 4: Douglas Murray, last question for you. 205 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: You hit on something that I think is hugely important 206 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: we have in a historically illiterate country. Your point is, yes, basically, 207 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: the only historical analogy many people seem to be able 208 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: to make is too Hitler and too World War two. 209 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,239 Speaker 2: How much of all of this is rooted in America, 210 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: but also Western civilization and in general not having educated 211 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: its people in terms of real history and having much 212 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: of a depth of knowledge at all. 213 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you it's obviously the ignorance of history 214 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: is profound everywhere, not just in America. Across the West, 215 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 3: young British and Canadian school children and college students are 216 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: also being taught versions of the same rout One of 217 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: the things I finished this book on, though, is to say, 218 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 3: why not regard this, as I do, as a civilizational 219 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 3: moment and a civilizational test. We all weigh ourselves up 220 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 3: against the greatest generation of World War II, and we 221 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 3: should we ask ourselves, would we do what our forefathers 222 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 3: were able to do when the time of trial came. 223 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: You can take the route, if you're a young American 224 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 3: of being led into the grievance culture, the victimhood culture 225 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 3: that you and I have spoken about for years and 226 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 3: that we hate. But you can also choose another route, 227 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: and it's the route that the young men and women 228 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: of Israel, who I had the honor to be with 229 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: in Gaza, in Lebanon, in Israel in the last eighteen months. 230 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 3: It's the route they have chosen, which is the root 231 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 3: of heroism. Protecting your people, protecting your faith, protecting your family, 232 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 3: protecting your way of life, and knowing that your way 233 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: of life will only continue if you're willing to fight 234 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: for it. I'd like to see Americans learn from the 235 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: Israeli youth on this, because if they do, we have 236 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: a bright future too. 237 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: Well, said the book on Democracies and Death called Douglas Murray. 238 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: Good luck on the trail, and I hope you sell 239 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: a lot of books. I know this audience will be 240 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: very receptive to your book and the argument you're making. 241 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: Thanks for everything you're doing. 242 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: It's great to be with you. Thank you. 243 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 244 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 5: Our friend Steve Hilton joins us now. He's a political commentator. 245 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 5: You know him from Fox. He's an author as well. 246 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 5: New book out this week, Calor Failure, Reversing the Ruin 247 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 5: of America Worst Run State. 248 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 4: Hey, Steve, great to have in the program. Hi guys, 249 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 4: great to be with you. What fun? 250 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 6: Can I tell you what a pleasure it is? And 251 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 6: guess who wouldn't have me on his new podcast to 252 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 6: talk about whether or not. California is the worst run 253 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 6: state in America. Gavin Newsom, what a shame. But it's 254 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 6: very good to be here with you. 255 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 5: Well, we're not surprised that Gavin Newsom wouldn't have you 256 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 5: have you on, given that you recognize the problems not 257 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 5: just of California but specifically of Gavin Newsom's leadership. But 258 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 5: I wonder, Steve, is it just the way it's going 259 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 5: to be there? I mean, one of the problems that 260 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 5: we see is the willingness to suffer for ideological reasons 261 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 5: in some of these democrat enclaves. Definitely in the case 262 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 5: of cities like San Francisco, for example, or even New York, unfortunately, 263 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 5: is much higher than a lot of people would imagine. 264 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 4: Well, you're right, and the ideological is the word. 265 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 6: That is why we're in such a mess, you know, 266 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 6: with the highest rate of poverty, the highest housing cost, 267 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 6: the lowest home ownership, highest cost for gas, electricity, water, everything, 268 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 6: it's a disaster, the. 269 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 4: Worst business climate. 270 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 6: I mean, that's the point really, which is that, of course, 271 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 6: across the country we see the video of the unbelievable 272 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 6: homeless encampments and people wandering like zombies, and the crime 273 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 6: and toothpaste locked up in Walgreens, and now the fires, 274 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 6: and people see all that, but actually the underlying problems 275 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 6: are even worse. It's a failure on every front, and 276 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 6: people have been putting up with it. And it's driven 277 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 6: by ideology. And that's one of the things in the 278 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 6: book I go into a love What is this ideology. 279 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 6: It's not enough to just call it leftism. There's so 280 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 6: many different components to it, and we've got to understand 281 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 6: it because it's going to spread across the country. That's 282 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 6: what's been happening. And if you look at where the 283 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 6: Democrats are today, that seems to be where they're gravitating 284 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 6: the Bernie Aoc thing. That's where the energy is. That's 285 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 6: what we've got in California. Now to your question about change, 286 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 6: I think people are waking up. You saw even before 287 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 6: the fires. If you look at the results last November 288 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 6: and the presidential election, even without obviously competing in California, 289 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 6: particularly because you're never going to get the electoral votes, 290 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 6: Donald Trump got more votes than any Republican for a generation. 291 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 4: In California. 292 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 6: You saw ten counties flip from blue to red, including 293 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 6: big counties like Fresno, County, the fifth biggest city, and 294 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 6: now with the fires. I mean, I meet people all 295 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 6: the time in Los Angeles. Yeah, Democrats, independence is a 296 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 6: we can't go. 297 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: On like this. 298 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 6: It is just obvious that we need a change. We 299 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 6: need some balance. It's been this one party rule for 300 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 6: so long. We've got to get some common sense ideas 301 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 6: back in there. 302 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: You're enjoying the Best of program with Clay Travis and 303 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. 304 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 5: We're joined by our friend Ned Ryan, founder and CEO 305 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 5: of American Majority. Ned has a new documentary out this week, 306 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 5: American Leviathan, The Birth of the Administrative State and Progressive Authoritarianism. 307 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 5: Documentary is out on x It's also posted for you 308 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 5: to watch and enjoy at Clay and Buck dot com. 309 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 5: Mister Ned, great to have you, sir. All right, dive 310 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 5: into this documentary. It's certainly timely given the work of 311 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 5: Trump and j Elon and the whole team. 312 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 7: Well, but I mean, one of the reasons I wanted 313 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 7: to do a Buck was it's a companion to the book, 314 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 7: but to really show people and give them real clarity 315 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 7: on the fact that rule of the bureaucrats, as Elon 316 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 7: mentioned a few weeks ago, that's not a bug. That's 317 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 7: a feature that was always intended by progressives for the 318 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 7: last hundred years and has nothing to do with the 319 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 7: representative government, has nothing to do with our constitution republic. 320 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 7: And what I wanted to do is cover some of 321 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 7: the same themes in the book, but also have conversations 322 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 7: with Senators and with Congressmen and with other people that 323 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 7: have been in DC, inside the belly of Leviathan, to 324 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 7: really discuss how DC works. And I think when people 325 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 7: watch the documentary they're going to understand with real clarity 326 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 7: from the mouths of elected officials. Yeah, we don't really 327 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 7: actually do the governing in this town. We don't do 328 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 7: the real legislating. We passed these four and five thousand 329 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 7: page bills, we send them over to the unelected bureaucrats 330 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 7: in the Article two branch of our own volition, sub 331 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 7: delegate legislative authority to them and to let them, with 332 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 7: their statutes and regulations, do the real governing of this country. 333 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 7: And then, to make matters worse buck they're blindly funding 334 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 7: these unelected, out of control bureaucrats blindly and then not 335 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 7: demanding any oversight, not demanding accountability or transparency at all. 336 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 7: And it's become one of those things that I think 337 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 7: is pretty hard to miss these days Washington's going on 338 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 7: in DC. But I hope that the American people get 339 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 7: real clarity because it's because of the American. 340 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: People awakening that they will. 341 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 7: Inspire Congress to actually do what they're supposed to do, 342 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 7: to actually legislate, and inspire the President, who has unbelievable 343 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 7: amounts of moral and political courage, to keep going on 344 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 7: the path that he's going on, and then to brace 345 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 7: the judges, which is of course a huge issue in 346 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 7: the present moment, to maybe just do their Article three 347 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 7: constitutional duty, because the American people, I think, are going 348 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 7: to understand that administrative power is a revival of absolute 349 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 7: power and is a tremendous threat to their civil liberties, 350 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 7: tremendous threat to our future freedom and prosperity. So once 351 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 7: the American people wake up and understand what's going on 352 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 7: and then demand these things of their elected officials, I 353 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 7: think it's the beginning of in the beginning of the 354 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 7: end of administrative power. 355 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 5: How do we deal with the threshold that seems to 356 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 5: have been well, it has been artificially created by the 357 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 5: Congress itself, that we have to get to sixty in 358 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 5: the Senate to get any real legislation through because of 359 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 5: the filibuster. Because nett I just it feels like the 360 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 5: Democrats are the party of the administrative state. They have 361 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 5: seeded the administrative state with their ideologues all and we 362 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 5: haven't even talked about the judges yet, but the administrative 363 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 5: state with all these ideologues, And so the Democrat Party 364 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 5: is just not going to no matter how outrageous the 365 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 5: spending is at these places, no matter how useless they are, 366 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 5: They're not going to come along with us, Right, So 367 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 5: what do we do about that? 368 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 7: Well, well, I would say I'd probably come from a 369 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 7: little bit different angle buck, because we already know Democrats 370 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 7: are a lost cause. The problem being, and the problem 371 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 7: that has been for decades in DC, is that too 372 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 7: many Republicans have gone along with it. They've accepted the 373 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 7: premise that somehow this strative state is a legitimate form 374 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 7: of government and that they should continue to fund it 375 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 7: and seed their control to these unelected bureaucrats. So, while 376 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 7: I understand that the problem is Democrats in many ways, 377 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 7: I would argue that in many ways it's been the 378 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 7: Republicans in Congress who have been I don't want to 379 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 7: say that that Congress has been the villain of the 380 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 7: twentieth century, but in many ways we have an administrative 381 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 7: state and the unelected bureaucrats and out of control spending, 382 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 7: and I would argue again abuse of our civil liberties 383 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 7: and authoritarianism because Congress has, of its own volition seated 384 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 7: its control. And that's not just Democrats, it's Republicans. And 385 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 7: so I would say the first step in getting us 386 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 7: to the right place is for Republicans across the board 387 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 7: to go, Yeah, administrative state is deeply unconstitutional, it's deeply 388 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 7: un American. 389 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 3: We are going to demand that we get. 390 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 7: Back our sub delegated legislative authority and actually do the governing, 391 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 7: actually do the legislating, instead of really really passing the 392 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 7: buck to these unelected bureaucrats to avoid making hard decisions. 393 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 7: Let's get Republicans on the same page and then we 394 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 7: can discuss how we're going to dismantle the Democratic Party 395 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 7: moving forward. 396 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 5: Or with Ned Ryan, founder and CEO of American Majority. 397 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 5: He's got a new documentary out, American Leviathan, which you 398 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 5: can watch on X that has posted on X also 399 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 5: at clanbuck dot com. The judiciary as the protector of 400 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 5: the administrative state. This is one of the biggest and 401 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 5: you know, I know you were ready for this, all 402 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 5: the veterans of Trump's first term. Everybody who was in 403 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 5: that fight remembers the hashtag resistance judges, and unfortunately they were. 404 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 5: They're successful even when they lose, right ned, because if 405 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 5: they drag it out and they burn time off the clock, 406 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 5: they're getting some of what they want, even if the 407 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 5: Supreme Court takes it up and strikes them down, as 408 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 5: has happened many times in the past. So what's the 409 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 5: best strategy for this? What can be done so that 410 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 5: they aren't able to run out the clock on the 411 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 5: efforts to rein in the administrative state. 412 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 7: So you're absolutely correct. I mean, this is a continuance 413 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 7: of law fair sadly by the Article three judicial branch, 414 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 7: the lower level judges to prevent Trump from actually implementing 415 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 7: his agenda, and they are acting as a protector of 416 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 7: the administrative state. So a couple of things. You know, 417 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 7: I hope that Donald Trump, and you can see this 418 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 7: coming out of his doj that he is going to 419 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 7: obviously fight back as quickly as possible. I kind of 420 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 7: like him to basically channel Andrew Jackson. Obviously that apocryphal story, 421 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 7: but it's kind of the feeling the spirit that I 422 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 7: want Trump to have. You've made your decisions, now try 423 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 7: and forcing them because the Article three what's going happening 424 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 7: right now book is these lower level judges are overstepping 425 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 7: the constitutional bound and trying to dictate to the head 426 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 7: of the Article two branch, what is his constitutional right 427 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 7: and authority, whether it's on foreign policy or domestic policy, 428 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 7: or who he can hire, what he can do with 429 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 7: the various departments and agencies that are under him inside 430 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 7: the Article two branch, And so he's got to tell 431 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 7: he essentially has to tell them that's great, I'm going 432 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 7: to continue down this path. It would be nice if 433 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 7: Congress actually stepped up to the plate. I think impeaching 434 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 7: judges would be a little too far for most of 435 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 7: those people in Congress because they're not exactly profiles and courage. 436 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 7: But I would argue, if they could find some small 437 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 7: sliver of political courage, why don't we think about defunding 438 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 7: the lower courts, because that's Congress's constitutional right to do that. 439 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 7: But I think ultimately in the short term. You know, 440 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 7: John Roberts is actually going to find it, have to 441 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 7: find it within himself to go Hey, for the sake 442 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 7: of the legitimacy of the Article three judicial branch, the 443 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 7: Supreme Court is going to have to step in and 444 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 7: put in some pretty strong guardrails and say you can't 445 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 7: do this, you're overstepping your constitutional bounds. And to be honest, Buck, 446 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 7: I think John Roberts doing that, it's probably fifty to fifty. 447 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 7: So I think we're gonna we're in for a couple 448 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 7: interesting weeks and months ahead. But I think Donald Trump 449 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 7: is making it very clear in the last couple of 450 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 7: days he's not going to let them prevent him implementing 451 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 7: the will of the American people. I mean, he was 452 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 7: elected to enact a very specific agenda that was painted 453 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 7: out in bold, bright colors last fall, and these judges 454 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 7: are attempting to defy the will of the people as 455 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 7: being implement in it through Donald Trump's agenda. So I 456 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 7: think Trump's going to be pretty aggressive on this. But 457 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 7: it would be nice if John Roberts stepped up to 458 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 7: the plate. 459 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 3: But I have my doubts. 460 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 5: Where do you think the state of progressive authoritarianism is 461 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 5: right now because it certainly is the case that the 462 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 5: Democrat Party is in a rough spot, which is great, 463 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 5: very exciting, probably the roughest spot it's been in a 464 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 5: long time, which is a lovely thing. But the ideology 465 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 5: that they have and the machinery that they have to 466 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 5: push it, I mean, obviously the administrative state is a huge. 467 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 4: Part of it. 468 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 5: Do you feel like this is the first opening we 469 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 5: have to do real damage to them? Do you worry 470 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 5: that if we don't get it done, they'll just come 471 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 5: come right back and do the same stuff. I mean, 472 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 5: how do you view it from from the side of 473 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 5: the opposition here? I mean, are where do you think 474 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 5: they fall in this whole situation? 475 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 7: Well, I think you can see from their behavior they 476 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 7: realize this is an existential threat. I mean, politics is 477 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 7: the religion book, I mean, the administrative state is the 478 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 7: their holy of holies, their vehicle for salvation. Politics is 479 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 7: the religion. And when they look at Donald Trump and 480 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 7: Elon Must, they see them as existential threats to those 481 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 7: things that they hold so valuable, and that really has 482 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 7: been is the undergirding for their entire movement. So I 483 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 7: know that they view this as an existential threat to 484 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 7: the continuance of their movement, to the continuance of the 485 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 7: progressive administrative. 486 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 3: State, and so I don't think it. Just to be clear, 487 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 3: I don't think. 488 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 7: You're going to see any dialing back of the violence 489 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 7: or the rhetoric because we know that Trump arrangement syndrome 490 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 7: is an incurable disease, and I think Elon must arrangement 491 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 7: syndrome is an incurable disease. And the only way I 492 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 7: think you see it stop is where there to be 493 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 7: serious legal consequences, which you can start to see rumblings 494 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 7: of that coming out of the Trump administration. But they 495 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 7: are in disarray. And the thing that I am trying 496 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 7: to figure out book are there any rational democrats left 497 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 7: inside the party? Because the progressive movement has eaten it 498 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 7: from within. They are the Democratic Party the progressive movement 499 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 7: is there any ability for a rational democrat to be 500 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 7: able to stand them and go, hey, we are going 501 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 7: in the absolute wrong path. We need to pivot out 502 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 7: of this. I suspect they won't be able to not 503 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 7: in the near term. I think this is something where 504 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 7: the black hole of progressive ideology is completely sucking in 505 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 7: whatever vestiges of rational thought might be left inside the 506 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 7: Democratic Party and moving towards kind of an annihilation. But 507 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 7: that that, to me is a very good thing book, 508 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 7: because I think the only way you get back to 509 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 7: a sense and a real sense of normalcy in this 510 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 7: country is for the left to be beaten into unconditional 511 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 7: surrender and never be allowed near political power again. As 512 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 7: you start to destroy these various institutions, like the indoctrination centers, 513 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 7: like the administrative state, going after the corporate propagandists, because 514 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 7: for the sake of the future of our country and 515 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 7: prosperity and freedom and happiness, the progressive movement writ large 516 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 7: has to be either shoved so far into the corner 517 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 7: that it's a minimal voice in our society, or it 518 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 7: ceases to exist. 519 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: I always make the case ned that the good news 520 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: about this is nobody should feel like if we were 521 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: to crush the administrative state, if Trump elon Doge, maybe 522 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 2: even the Republican Party were at large were to mobilize 523 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: and really make major progress on this mission and for 524 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: this initiative, the people that are crying and all the 525 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 2: gnashing of teeth and all the ol or so it 526 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 2: actually it will be better for them too. 527 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 4: This is what this is. Everybody wins. 528 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 5: They may not realize it, but America will be a 529 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 5: more prosperous, freer, and better place if we don't have 530 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 5: this nonsensical Leviathan. As your documentary is titled American Leviathan 531 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 5: trampling on our rights and just our day to day 532 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 5: all the time. 533 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: It is something. 534 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 7: So you bring up something I think is pretty interesting, Bluck. 535 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 7: I mean, I'm just thinking. I've been thinking about and 536 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 7: have said some things public. 537 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 3: Right, I'll say it again here. 538 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 7: You know, Elon and dog starts we're going to go 539 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 7: after waste fraud abuse, and then he realizes in this 540 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 7: journey of his you can kind of see this epiphany. 541 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: Of the Elon along the way. 542 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 7: Wait, we have the rule of bureaucrats. Well, yeah, that 543 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 7: was always the point of progressive and now we've gotten 544 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 7: the point of it. Really feels like the administrative state 545 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 7: and the government writ large has become a leftist money 546 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 7: laundering slash slush fund in which they're trying to advance 547 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 7: their ideology and really truly undermine this country. I mean 548 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 7: a lot of stuff that they're funding I believe to 549 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 7: be truly anti American and very aggressively going after not 550 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 7: only this country and our foundational principles, but the American 551 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 7: people's way of life. And it will be for the 552 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 7: best if we in the administrative state. But I think 553 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 7: we got to be realistic about a buck. I mean, 554 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 7: this took one hundred years to get to this point 555 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 7: when you think about the founding of the administrative state, 556 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 7: really in the first term of Woodrow Wilson. We're over 557 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 7: one hundred years into this disastrous experiment. We're not going 558 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 7: to get out of overnight, but it is going to 559 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 7: require tremendous political courage, and Donald Trump Elon Musk have 560 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 7: it in spades. We've got to figure out how Congress 561 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 7: somehow gets injected with that courage as well to be 562 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 7: able to do the right things and actually say we're 563 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 7: not going to allow this anymore, and for the will 564 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 7: of the American people, right, We're not going to allow 565 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 7: this unconstitutional, unrepresentative form of government to continue on in 566 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 7: this country because again, it has nothing to do with 567 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 7: our constitutional tradition. 568 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 5: Ned Ryan, founder CEO of American Majority American Leviathan, the 569 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 5: birth of the administrative state and progressive authoritarianism is his 570 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 5: new documentary. It's on x you can also watch We 571 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 5: have it posted at clayanbuck dot com ned great work 572 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 5: is always my friend. 573 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 4: Good to talk to you. 574 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 575 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: Thanks Buck, You're listening to the best of Clay Travis 576 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton. 577 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 5: Our friend Steve Hilton joins us now. He's a political commentator. 578 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 5: You know him from Fox. 579 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: Buck. 580 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 2: Can I talk about this a lot? It's not just 581 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: that California has fallen apart. It's that and I'm curious 582 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: what your experience was growing up and what you thought 583 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: about California. I just came back from sam Francisco. It 584 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: is a beautiful geographic jewel, the likes of which there 585 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: are not very many of anywhere in the world. La 586 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 2: obviously nearly perfect climate. You go on up the coast, Seattle, Portland. 587 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 2: It's that left leaning ideas have destroyed some of the 588 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 2: most beloved communities in much of the country. What did 589 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 2: you think about California as a kid growing up far 590 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: from California and when did your perception start to change? 591 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: Because I remember as a college kid, I had never 592 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: been to California before. I remember going out I don't know, 593 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: probably two thousand thereabouts and just being blown away by 594 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: how spectacular it was. It seems to have really fallen 595 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: apart only in the last ten or fifteen years. And 596 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: I know many Californians who've lived there feel the same way. 597 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 6: So I'll tell you a story about that. So I 598 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 6: was totally inspired. I was in the way I put it. 599 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 6: I was in love with California even before we moved it. 600 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 6: We moved in twenty twelve. I got my citizenship four 601 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 6: years ago. So now I'm a proud American, but also 602 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 6: proud Californian. I love California. In fact, there's the story 603 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 6: about this is back in the day when I was 604 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,479 Speaker 6: working for David Cameron, this is before he became Prime Minister, 605 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 6: and I was leading our policy development, our political strategy, 606 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 6: and there was a cover story in the Spectator magazine. 607 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,959 Speaker 6: We want know the Spectator website here in America. It's 608 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 6: actually a printed magazine, the oldest in the world, actually 609 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 6: the political magazine in the UK. They did a cover 610 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 6: story on the direction that we were working on for 611 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 6: the Conservative Party, and the headline on the story was 612 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 6: California Dreaming, And the first lines go on about Steve Hilton, 613 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 6: David Cameron's policy Guru is inspired by California and the 614 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 6: theme of their policy work is to make the UK 615 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 6: more like California. Like this is that fifteen twenty years ago. 616 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 6: And the question is is there any political advisor to 617 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 6: any politician anywhere in the world who would want to 618 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 6: make their country more like California today? And it shows 619 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 6: you just how far we've fallen, how quickly with this 620 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 6: far left ideology dominant in California. But actually the point 621 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,239 Speaker 6: is all the problems of California are self inflicted and 622 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 6: we can turn it around. And actually part two of 623 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 6: the book is called Caliphailure, but Part two of the 624 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 6: book is called Califuture, and that is my plan for 625 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 6: how we actually turn things around and restore California to 626 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 6: what it should be, which is the best of America, 627 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 6: not the worst, which is what it is now. 628 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 5: Now you didn't go on Gavin Newsom's podcast, but I 629 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 5: want you to the degree that you can be as 630 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 5: objective as you can in telling us, is this guy 631 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 5: gonna be the leader of the Democrat Party in the 632 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 5: next election cycle? Do you see him being able to 633 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 5: swindle enough people in the middle that he's able to 634 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 5: rise through the ranks and go from being governor to 635 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 5: presidential nominee. Because from what I see, he has had 636 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 5: some right wing people on his podcast, and he's not 637 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 5: abandoning the crazy left positions, but he's at least putting 638 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 5: on a show of I'll have a conversation. Aren't that crazy? 639 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? Exactly. 640 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 6: And I think you should not underestimate him. I know 641 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 6: him a little bit obviously, watched him closely. And that's 642 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 6: the point about him, is that he is like Kambala 643 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 6: Harris before, like Joe Biden, like Karen Back. You know, 644 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 6: these are machine politicians. Okay they and they will say 645 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 6: whatever is politically expedient. But Gavin Newsom says it better 646 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 6: than most, and so don't underestimate him in a way. 647 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 6: That's why I wanted not partly why I wanted to 648 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 6: write the book is like, this is the record that 649 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 6: he's presided over. It's a total failure. 650 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 4: On every front. 651 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 6: So yes, you can talk, I mean a good example 652 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 6: the difference between talk and action. So he's on, you know, 653 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 6: as Charlie kirk on and agrees how unfair is deeply unfair? 654 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 6: Was his phrase about you know, biological men and girls sports. 655 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 6: What's he doing about it? 656 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 4: Nothing. He's the governor. 657 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 3: Now. 658 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 6: Next week in the state legislature there are two bills 659 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 6: up for a vote that would stop this madness. Is 660 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 6: he going to weigh it? So far, he's avoided even 661 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 6: talking about it, So you've got to pin him down 662 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 6: on the actions. And the actions that have happened in 663 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 6: California have been a complete disaster. 664 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: Putting out fires seems like maybe the number one thing 665 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: that people would expect a government to be capable of 666 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 2: and expect a government to be responsible for. The fire 667 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 2: situation in the Los Angeles area seems to have been 668 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 2: for many people, a recognition that the policy choices they 669 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 2: make Karen Bass, for instance, as mayor have consequences. Do 670 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: you get the sense that that could change political voting 671 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 2: behavior or is it so ideologically committed at this point 672 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: that people would have to recognize that they made poor choices, 673 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 2: and lots of people don't want to acknowledge mistake. How 674 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 2: do you get them to change and how did the 675 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: fires potentially impact them? 676 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 6: That's the job of campaigning and to bring that home. 677 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 6: I mean, I can tell you right now, I'm working 678 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 6: with Nicole Shanahan on a recall campaign for Karen Bass. 679 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 6: Because every day that she's there is a disaster. And 680 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 6: one of the reasons that we're doing that is to 681 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 6: is to show if we can, if we can pull 682 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 6: it off, that the Democrat machine in California, that kind 683 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 6: of Democrat industrial complex of the unions that fund the 684 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 6: politicians and the far left activists and the bureaucrats and 685 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 6: all that, that it can be beaten and if we 686 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 6: can do it there in Los Angeles. For Karen Bass, 687 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 6: I think that's a very encouraging sign that people are 688 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 6: ready for change. Look, if we don't pull it off, 689 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 6: I still think we should. We need to fight. We 690 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 6: need to make sure that people understand. I'll give you 691 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 6: a story. It's really encouraging. Huntington Beach not the biggest 692 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 6: city in California, an iconic one surf city USA. So 693 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,439 Speaker 6: just over four years ago, the council in Huntington Beach 694 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 6: was six' to One. DEMOCRAT a friend of, Mine Tony, 695 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 6: strickland put together a team of strong. Candidates they in 696 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 6: twenty twenty two they took control of the council four 697 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 6: to three on a very strong conservative. Platform they then 698 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 6: implemented that they had a lot of, energy just like 699 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 6: you're seeing From President trump right. Now they cleaned up the, 700 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 6: streets they cleaned homeless, Encompments they prosecuted, Crime they dealt 701 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 6: with the nonsense in the schools and the. Libraries they 702 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 6: actually put in a ballot initiative for VOTER id which 703 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,439 Speaker 6: passed then In november just, now in twenty twenty, four 704 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 6: they put forward seven candidates as a. Slate they called 705 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 6: themselves The Magnificent seven to show you where they were coming. 706 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 4: From they had a clean. Sweep they won all the. 707 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 6: Seats so in four years that city has gone from 708 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 6: six to One democrat control to seven Zero. Republican so 709 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 6: it shows what it can be done. 710 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 4: If you actually. 711 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 6: Fight AND i think that's what we need to show Cross. 712 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 6: California that's WHY i really do believe change is possible 713 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 6: sooner than many people. 714 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 5: Think Steve, hilton everybody go check out the Book Calor, 715 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 5: failure which also goes Into. Califuture so it's not just the, 716 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 5: problems it's also the. Fix And, steve best of luck to. 717 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 5: You please come back and tell us how it's all 718 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 5: going and hang out with us. 719 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 4: Again sue, absolutely thanks, guys se you soon