1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart three D 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: audio for full exposure. Listen with headphones. No experience, no job. 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: I could do that job, but it would give me 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: the chance. Maybe we don't ask spart e sperience. We 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: give it. You won't read it in AFO, you man, 6 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: it's sick service. Pick your challenge sends us up a 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: part maybe, but place, it's a big place. I'm Toby 8 00:00:43,240 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: Ball and this is Strange Arrivals Episode two. This is unreal. 9 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: Picture yourself as a young airmen on R. A F. Bentwaters, 10 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: one of the twin air bases bordered by Rendell shamp Forrest. 11 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: It's late December. You and more than ten thousand other 12 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: Americans are divided between these two bases on the North 13 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: Sea coast, seventy miles northeast of London, de east. About 14 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty miles across the water are the 15 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: Hague and Amsterdam. Jimmy Carter is in his last days 16 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: as president. The struggle for human rights overa it's all 17 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: differences of color or nation or language. Leonard Bresnev is 18 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: still in the Kremlin, shoeless in terms of world events. 19 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: In late of course, The big thing hanging released the 20 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: United States would have been they around hostage crisis that 21 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: that's still going on and nobody knows how it's going 22 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: to end. I'm Kirk Droisley. I'm a chair of the 23 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: history department the University of New Hampshire, and I specialize 24 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: in US foreign policy and US environmental history. Reagan had 25 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: just been elected, and so he had run this campaign 26 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: on the United States being far weaker than the Soviet Union, 27 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: being vulnerable to Soviet expansion. It can happen at any point, 28 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: and therefore we are the only ones that can preserve 29 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: the peace, and to do that we must have strength. 30 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: It was not clear when or how the Cold War 31 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: would end. The Soviets had invaded Afghanistan the previous year 32 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: in late December, in their greatest show of four since 33 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. They are lifted thousands of 34 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: soldiers into the Kabul area and moved tens of thousands 35 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: more overland across the border into northern Afghanistan. It seemed 36 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: as though they had gained an upper hand on the 37 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: world stage. What would happen if they made an aggressive 38 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: move in Europe? How would the US respond? If you 39 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: were at Bentwaters or Woodbridge. This was not an idle question. 40 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: You were on the front lines, because it is is our 41 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: legacy at failure in the nineteen seventies into and of 42 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: course Britain also was now under Margaret Thatcher's control as 43 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: Prime Minister, and she had very similar rhetoric about ramping 44 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: up the Cold War in good versus evil. It is 45 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: fashionable for some commentators to speak of the two superpowers, 46 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: the United States and the Soviet Union, as though there 47 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: were somehow of equal worth and equal significance. Mr Speaker, 48 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: that is a travesty of the truth. The Soviet Union 49 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: has never concealed its real name. In the words of 50 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: Mr Bresner, the total triumph of all socialists all over 51 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: the world is inevitable. For this triumph, we shall struggle 52 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: with no lack of effort. Indeed, there has been no 53 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,119 Speaker 1: lack of effort. So I think that on that base 54 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: in December they would have been hearing a lot of 55 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: rhetoric about this new, more intense Cold War, that the 56 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: Soviets might come across Europe. It was the height of 57 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: the Cold War, so tensions were high. This is Jim 58 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: Peniston again, in he was a sergeant in the U. 59 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: S Air Force and was one of the witnesses to 60 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: the first night of the reynoldshom Forest Encounter. Looming over 61 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: any conflict during the Cold War was the knowledge that 62 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: the US and the Soviet Union had nuclear arsenals adequate 63 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: to annihilate each other. This led to a US doctrine 64 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: of mutually assured destruction, that knowing the devastation that would 65 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: result in retaliation, would prevent each side from launching a 66 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: nuclear strike. The acronym, of course, is M A D. 67 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: We had nuclear weapons that were stored at Dent Waters. 68 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: I can say this today. We also had five squadrons 69 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: of a ten tank killer aircraft and their mission was 70 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: to go ahead and deploy during the first few days 71 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: of imaginary war and go to forward operating locations in 72 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: Germany el Horn, Light Pine Home a few others. We 73 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: had a different type of terrorists threat at the time. 74 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: We had groups like the r A Black, September, Bottom 75 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: Line Hoff Group, Red Brigade, those type groups, and our 76 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: perimeter was always either being observed or tested while we 77 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: were there. Mainly it's because that we were about three 78 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: miles from Felix So and Loosoft. There were two ports 79 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: right on the North Sea where we frequently had Russian 80 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: trawlers and stuff like that go there. So the situation 81 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: was tense. And things that we look back on through 82 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: the comfortable lens of history, the release of the hostages 83 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: in the US embassy in Tehran, the collapse of the 84 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: Soviet Union, the disintegration of left wing terrorists groups in Europe, 85 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: all were uncertain and at this base would have held 86 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: potential for real trouble. It's in this atmosphere that Airmen 87 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: first class John Burrows, another witness to the encounter on 88 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: the first night, went back to base. It was the 89 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: morning of December twenty four hours after that initial encounter, 90 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: got up on the desk before the night shift was relieved. 91 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: When I went in there, the death sargeants at ours 92 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: was the guy that was chasing UFOs in the woods 93 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: the night before. The desk sergeant was talking about Burrows 94 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: and Peniston, of course, but then he added something, you're 95 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: not gonna believe this. We had an incident last night. 96 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: What he told me was the shift commander I had 97 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: an interaction with some kind of a blue light. They 98 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: went through her vehicle shut it down. And ended up 99 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: getting really the duty because it shook her up so much. 100 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 1: So that was night too. The incident that Burrows refers 101 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: to here involves Lieutenant Bonnie Tamplin. There doesn't seem to 102 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: be any documentation, and her account mostly comes to us 103 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: second or third hand. But briefly, the story is that 104 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: there was a report of lights that Tamplin and probably 105 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: another person went to investigate. During the investigation, as Burrows said, 106 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: a blue light of some sort entered their vehicle and 107 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: shut off the engine and radio. What happened to money 108 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: Gamp and the lieutenant was on the second night she 109 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: disappeared from the base and immediately this is Chuck Halt, 110 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: who at the time was a lieutenant colonel and the 111 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: deputy base commander. He's not implying by the way that 112 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: she was abducted by aliens or anything like that, she 113 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: was transferred. I'm tried to track her down and I 114 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: was told Fining she was in Italy. I have found her, 115 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: but she will not respond. I know where she lives, 116 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: I know her address, but she does not want any involvement. 117 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: They scared to you know what I don't. And this 118 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: is the extent of what happened on the second night. 119 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: For us, it mostly serves as a bridge between the 120 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: events of the first night and the events of the 121 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: third night, to which Chuck Halt would be an important witness. 122 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: On the third night, there was a social function at 123 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: the base and awards ceremony. My name's Nick Pope, and 124 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: I worked for the British gown him and for twenty 125 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: one years at the Ministry of Defense for much of 126 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: the early nineties. Pope's duties included researching and investigating the 127 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: UFO phenomenon and determining if it posed a threat the 128 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: United Kingdom or if it was of any defense or 129 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: scientific interest. He was in the desert when I spoke 130 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: with him, and so coverage was not great, so I 131 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: apologized for the quality of the audio. Anyway, Chuck Halt 132 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: was at the ceremony and his night was interrupted by 133 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: a report. The Stingy based commanders were there and burst open. 134 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: A junior officer went up saluted it and said, sir, 135 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: it's back, and and one of the officers, deputy base commander, 136 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt, said what are you talking about? 137 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: What's by? And the young officers said the uf post 138 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: it's it's come back. The third consecutive night with the 139 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: UFOs sighting well, Holt and one of the other senior 140 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: commanders conferred and decided someone had better go and deal 141 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: with this and see what was going on. So Colonel 142 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: Holt drew the short straw, really threw together a team 143 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: of about half a dozen people and went out into 144 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: the forest, in his own words, to debunk this UFO nonsense. 145 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: The small group Halt assembled included an on duty airmen 146 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: named Morgan Nevill's. But I knew he had a camera 147 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: and he had done some work for Photo Lapp and 148 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: he was pretty good photographer. I said, have him made 149 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: me a disas preparedness office in about thirty minutes and 150 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: we'll go out and take see what this is all about. 151 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: So I went home and change master. Starting ball came 152 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: by in the cheap several people in it, driven by 153 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: an Lieutenant uh England, on duty cop. We went found 154 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: disaster for parents. We had to wait for nimals because 155 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: his wife was at the Catholic Women's program with the 156 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: chapel and he was mayby city. He finally showed up 157 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: and I said, don't want you to bring your camera 158 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: at the gagger Conner. The only reason I saiders two things, 159 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: because I wanted the document was not being air while 160 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: this was going on. John Burrows, one of the witnesses 161 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: to the encounter, on the first night, was on base 162 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: talking with friends. I went over to the dorman, talked 163 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: to some of the guys I worked with that we 164 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: decided to go out there. Me and a couple other 165 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: guys went out into the forest and end up with 166 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: me meeting up with Colonel Hall on night three. So 167 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: two groups entered the forest, one determined to find nothing 168 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: and the other hoping for a repeat of the sighting 169 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: forty eight hours before. One of these groups was not 170 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: ready for what was about to happen. Strange arrivals will 171 00:11:50,320 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: return in a moment. On the night of December, two 172 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 1: separate groups headed into Rydalshow Forest. The first, more or 173 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: less official group was led by Deputy base Commander Chuck Halt, 174 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: who made it clear that the base didn't at the 175 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: time take the sighting very seriously. The second group was 176 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: John Burrows and his two friends, hoping to catch a 177 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: glimpse of what Burrows had seen on the first night. 178 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: Chuck Halt, sorry went on into the forest, and I 179 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: was shown the site. We were something that supposedly landed 180 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: the first night. There were three indentations eight or ten 181 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: feet apart, and we definitely got radiation readings, and they're 182 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: both on the ground higher in the center of the 183 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: triangular formed by the three objects and the three sides 184 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: towards the landing site and higher readings all more the 185 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: background and not enough to be dangerous. Halt made an 186 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: audio recording to document anything that happened to them that night. 187 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: It is the one real time document of the events 188 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: over these three nights. To preserve battery power, he turned 189 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: the recorder on when there was something that needed to 190 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: be documented and off when there wasn't. This is from 191 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: the cassette tape made that night. The first voice you 192 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: hear is Colonel Halts, the second is Lieutenant England, and 193 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: the third is Morgan Nevill's Yeah, I see it too. 194 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: What is it? We don't know? Strange small red light. 195 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: Let's see on maybe a quarter and half before they're 196 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: at and I think it's gone now it was approximate 197 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: add twenty degrees through. Is it back again or splash? Light? Said, 198 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: so I can get a better look at it and 199 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: see if you get the Spanish coop on it. All 200 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: the animals have gotten quiet. Now we haven't got to 201 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: undertain on the twenty degrees inside through to the plarry. 202 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: Now still getting reading on the meter, got two clicks. 203 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: So Halt and his companion saw a light in the 204 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: distance that disappeared and then reappeared. They turned off their 205 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: flashlights and found a better vantage point at the edge 206 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: of a clearing. They looked through a star scope night 207 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: vision goggles to try to get a better view. At 208 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: this point, Burrows's group joined up with Halts. We met 209 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: up with them. Halt kind of told me what was 210 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: going on. Showed me some blue lights in the sky 211 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: that were flying around, and then all of a sudden 212 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: in the distance, an orangeish hue type of flight or 213 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: whatever started coming towards us. He asked me, if that's 214 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: what I dealt with the first night? And did it 215 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: looked like but it was farther away. While where were there? 216 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: Kind of I want to do? I saw a small, 217 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: I say basketball size maybe the larger beach ball size, 218 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: going orange object directly from out of the forest toward 219 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: the farmer's fears, a farmer's field to the east of 220 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: us in a farmhouse. The objeck was out in the field. 221 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: It was glowing and the equivalent of dripping metal or 222 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: sparks for coming off it. We watched it for several minutes, 223 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: just so let's get close to it. As we started 224 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: to the object move into the forest in front of us, 225 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: between us and the farmer's size. It moved horizon lea 226 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: bombing up and down through the trees. Again from Halt's tape, 227 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: its coming this way. It is definitely coming this way. Shoot, 228 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: leather is no down of bias. This is weird. The 229 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: last different two nights, one light to the lift, take 230 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: splash lights off. There's something very very strange. I can okay, 231 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: this is from my interview with Chuck Halt. The particulars 232 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: obviously under intelligent control and some kind of sensors to 233 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: avoid things if they got close. It moved back out 234 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: into the field between us and the farmer's house. At 235 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: that time I can see the windows in the farmer's 236 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: house glowing bright reflection. Oh my, look like the house 237 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: was on fire. I was kind of concerned about, you know, 238 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: an issue for the people in the house. On Halt's tape, 239 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: you can hear as they walk to the edge of 240 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: the woods, flashlights off to get closer to the object. 241 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: Halt thinks it looks like a winking eye, and when 242 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: he looks at it through the star scope, it seems 243 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: to have a hollow center and when the lightest flashing 244 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: right at them, it almost burns his eyes. Okay again, 245 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: but it just moved to the right hand, got the 246 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: right strange. Oh that's how much to answer the woods 247 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: up there? You want to do a lot lights and 248 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: still carefully come on. Okay, looking at the thing. We're 249 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: probably about two or three hundred guys away. It looks 250 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: like an eye winking at you, still moving from side 251 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: to side, and we put the star scoop on it. 252 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: It starts star dark sars and I looking at it 253 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: and the flashes so bright to the star scope that 254 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: was burned dry. Burrows asked Halt for permission to move 255 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: closer to the object. I wanted to see what it was. Anyway. 256 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: We were trying to figure out what was going on, 257 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: just like everybody else, because it just didn't make sense. 258 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: Halt okay, Burrows and another Air Force cop to proceed. 259 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: We started running towards it. As we got closer and 260 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: he went to the ground. I kept going. I remember 261 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: getting close to it, and then the next thing I know, 262 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: I was gone. But he said that I went into 263 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: it and I disappeared for a while, then he saw 264 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: me come back. In the course of interviewing Rendelsom witnesses 265 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: and researchers, I was not able to find the person 266 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: accompanying Burrows during this event. No one else mentioned anything 267 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: about Burrows being taken up to the craft. Throughout the 268 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: Rendelsom case, there are a number of situations like this 269 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: where one witness's account is not corroborated by the others. Again, 270 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: Deputy Based Commander Chuck Halt, the objects suddenly exclently exploded 271 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: like fireworks into five white going objects and they disappeared. 272 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: So we went either to the field looking for traces 273 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: of from whatever was coming off the object, and the 274 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: only thing we find evidence of was that cos there accalpies. 275 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: So while we're going around looking, we noticed pre objects 276 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: in the north and the sky, multi killer objects moving 277 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: together in synchronizations and they're doing a great search or 278 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: some type of performation flying away a bizarre three or five. 279 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: We see strange stroke like flashes to the fish sporadic 280 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: that there's definitely something that some kind of phenomenal three 281 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: or five about ten degrees horizon directly north. We've got 282 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: two strange objects, half moon shaped, dancing about with color 283 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: lights on them, but guests to be about five to 284 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: ten a lot maybe less the half those and turned 285 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: in the full circles because all of those elimp eclipse 286 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: or something there for a mere two. So here they 287 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: are seeing colored lights that are some distance away from them, 288 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: starting off shaped as half moons and then appearing to 289 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: become circular. They're very fifteen. Now we've got an object 290 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: about ten degrees directly and once an aay're moving once 291 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: moving away from us. The lights are moving away from 292 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: them now north here he comes from the song. He's 293 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: coming toward us. Now appear to be a beam of 294 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: coming down to the ground. Here, Halt says that he 295 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: sees a light beam coming down from the craft to 296 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: the ground. This will be important later side of farmers 297 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: the second farmers field, and they deciding again about degrees 298 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: after the coast. It's right on the horizon, loos about 299 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: a bit and flashes from time to time still study 300 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 1: new color. Halt uses radio to call the command post 301 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: to see if they had anything on radar. They reported 302 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: back to him that they did not. This report would 303 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: be disputed later, but at the time the response he 304 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: received Eaved was that there was nothing unusual on radar. 305 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: We decided to go go further out to get a 306 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: better view. Can we see objects of the found going 307 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: white options one of the objects because overhead is very 308 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: high speed probably dry, high abound and being elevations above us, 309 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: that sens a laser light. Being that our fate attending 310 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: me away, the veins about and dang pain diameter of 311 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: sirs andand and are rather wondering what is that a 312 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: weapon to communication some kind of worry and this is 313 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: suddenly some being appeared disappeared. The group kept moving. Halt 314 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: had his radio on. He says he could hear people 315 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: at the weapons storage area who are looking at the 316 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: objects through binoculars, and that they were reporting that the 317 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: objects were triangular and that there was a larger object 318 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: that had sparks coming off of it. But despite all 319 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: of this that Halt described, there still seems to be 320 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: little interests from the base and they can hear the 321 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: people and weapons starge carry or seeing the objects. We 322 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: saw in the sky were actually triangular, and they can 323 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: see an equivalent of what we would call a mother 324 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: ship with small objects coming off, with sparks or whatever 325 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: emanating from them. Again, you get the sense that no 326 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: one at the base was taking this very seriously. We 327 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: were out there for several hours watching this. Nobody seemed 328 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: to get excited at the command post, did seem to 329 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: secure too much. So finally we were wet and tired 330 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: and cold temperature of summer air free scene, and we 331 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: must blowing off the coast. So we packed it in 332 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: and went home. I didn't know what else to do. 333 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: I've expected somebody to come out and respond with me. 334 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: Burrows leaves the story here. Over the next few days, 335 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: he would return to base and write the document we 336 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: heard from earlier describing his experiences. On the first night, 337 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: Halts Night, however, was not over. So I showered and 338 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: cleaned up because it was I was went dirty, good sleep. 339 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: So I went into the office and my boss, Colonel Williams, 340 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: met me on the steps. They said, ever, some night 341 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: you had, because he had monitored by radio conversations and 342 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: I see I made a type of quarter open. Colonel 343 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: Williams asked for the tape and Halt reluctantly handed it over. 344 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: This was Sunday. There was a meeting of top staff 345 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: on the coming Wednesday and the Colonel said that he 346 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: would play the tape at that meeting. Halt was horrified 347 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: by so oh my god, there's the end of my career. 348 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: I waited all week and of course when he came 349 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: back Wench and the after lunch, I was waiting at 350 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: the door. First thing I said to him, a boss, 351 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: still I have a job? Am I still gonna be here? 352 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: And he asked throw me the tape. I said, what 353 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: do we He said, well, I played the tape for 354 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: the General of Staff and the general said, well, anybody 355 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: staff have comments? Nobody said anything is infinite wisdom. He said, 356 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: well we have them off the base. It's a British 357 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: affair case closed. So I said, I mean the end 358 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: of it and he said no, you get with Squadrone 359 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: or Morland who was to the A zone from the 360 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: RF of the base, and see what he wants to do. 361 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: So I had to wait about tender Halt base because 362 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: Don Morton was in Wales at his family home to 363 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: the hall Christmas holidays. So when he came back. I 364 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: briefed him and played the tape, but he didn't want 365 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: to do either. So about two weeks past between halts 366 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: uf O encounter and his meeting with the squad leader 367 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: Don Morland, a Royal Air Force representative at the bases. 368 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: In this meeting, Halt was to tell the British authorities 369 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: about the three nights of the encounters. David Clark has 370 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: interviewed any of the people involved in the Ryndalship encounters, 371 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: including Don Morland. I'm David Clark. I'm associate professor at 372 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: Sheffield Hallam University in the UK and my specialist subjectives footlow. 373 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: This is how Donald put it to me when I 374 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: interviewed in Chuckhole. Invisted him into my offit and said, oh, 375 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: by the way, while you've been on holiday, Don, the 376 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: the aliens landed. But I thought I'd wait until you 377 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: came back off holiday to tell you about it. And 378 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: he thought he's pulling my leg. This is a joke, 379 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: and then he came out with all this fantastic story 380 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: about wizards and bangs and lights flying around in the forest. 381 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: As you would imagine, Don Morland was unsure what to 382 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: do about this. He told Halt that if they gave 383 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: an official account of these sightings, it would lead to 384 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: a big inquiry. So Moreland suggested that Halt write it 385 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: down in a memo, and he actually did that, almost 386 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: as like an ex roment, because he didn't think the 387 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: whole would actually commit this to writing. He said, put 388 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: it down any much and I'll send it to the 389 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: Ministry Defense. And he didn't think you would take the 390 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: bait and the behold. He did. He produced that one 391 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: page and that's gone down in history. He made a 392 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: lot of phone calls and I don't know what all else, 393 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: as give me a memo to talk from. So I 394 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: wrote the infamous memo who was never supposed to go anywhere. 395 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: It was supposed to be a document for him to 396 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: read it and talk from. You can easily find the 397 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: Halt memo on the internet. It's just one page with 398 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: three numbered paragraphs and is signed at the bottom. The 399 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: first paragraph is a brief account of Penistin Burrows and 400 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: Coban SAG's encounter on the first night. It puts the 401 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: time at three am, so it was consistent with burrows timing, 402 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: not Penistan's. It also describes a craft quote the object 403 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: was described as being metallic in appearance and triangular in shape, 404 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: approximately two to three meters across the base and approximately 405 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: two ms high. This is based on Peniston's account, which 406 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: we will look at in a later episode. The second 407 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: paragraph relates the field investigation undertaken the next day and 408 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: reports that depressions were seen in the ground the following night. 409 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: As we heard earlier, moderate radiation readings were recorded. The 410 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: third paragraph summarizes halt encounter later that night, but the 411 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: memo gets the dates wrong. The first night is identified 412 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: is December and the last as December. As we will 413 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: see in the next episode, this mistake complicated efforts to 414 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: verify information. There's also no mention of Lieutenant Bonnie Tamplin's 415 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: encounter of the second night. Morelands sent the memo up 416 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: the chain of command to the Ministry of Defense, and 417 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: we waited and waited and waited, and nothing had happened. 418 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: I was relieved to be very honest radio, and that 419 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: was I thought the end of it. I told two 420 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: or three years later, whenever the momo got released, and 421 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: then I hit the fans next time on Strange Arrivals. 422 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio and 423 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: grimin Mild from Aaron Mankey. This episode was written and 424 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: hosted by Toby Ball and produced by Miranda Hawkins and 425 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: Josh Thame, with executive producers Alex Williams, at Frederick and 426 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: Aaron Mankey. Special thanks to our voice actors Joe McCormick 427 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: and Jeff Williams. Learn more about the show over at 428 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: Grim and Mild dot com. 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