1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: At some point you decided you were going to make 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: an album. Yeah, what what kind of headspace were you 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: in when you even started writing. I just needed to 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: do something to like not think about these things. I 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: didn't even know I was doing it. I was just 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: writing stuff down and then I started making some beats. 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: The album came out and did well tag and Contnspoma. 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: I remember people were saying that this is proof that 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Tableau didn't really need those degrees to become uh this 10 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: this renowned musician. I think in some of the reviews, 11 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: I think that there was sort of this this narrative 12 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: that Ah Tableau has surmounted and overcome these issues, you know, 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: these attacks. He's one, He's back our triumph art trying 14 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: to the power of music. Tablow has overcome and paining 15 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: creates the most beautiful art. I heard that a lot. 16 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: They did proclaim it as like a triumphant moment. At 17 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: this point, I wasn't like completely all there. It's just 18 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: a weird feeling, you know, you know, like whole like 19 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: suffering creates the best art, and it made me think 20 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: that it's not worth it. Art's not worth that much suffering, 21 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: So like for it to be a comeback really just 22 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't anna come back yet. When Tableau's solo album, 23 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: Fever's End came out in November of two thou eleven, 24 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: music magazines were praising the record, which he deserved. This 25 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: was some of Tableau's best work ever, and in general, 26 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: the press was marveling and how he'd overcome this difficult 27 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: time in his life. But Tableau wasn't paying attention to 28 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: any of that. He was more focused on getting past 29 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: the damage that Tajose campaign had done to his personal life. 30 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: It would be a while, but Tableau would eventually realize 31 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: that Tad had not only altered his life, but his 32 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: family's lives forever. At the same time, when the press 33 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: declared his triumphant comeback, when he was finally free from 34 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: the accusations and the rumors and free to be the 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: artist the Tableau that everyone now finally believed that he was, 36 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: that he experienced the worst year of his life. Feena 37 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: fip HOPI tipp what the signs my name? Whenever I 38 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: can run, I can keep writing there my books on 39 00:02:50,080 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: the Worst Tame the Mark Yeah Boo from Vice and 40 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: I Heart I'm Dexa Thomas and This is Authentic Episode seven. Family. 41 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: In July of two thousand eleven, a journalist named Joshua 42 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: Davis flew from the US to South Korea to write 43 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: a story about the Tajan No scandal for Wired magazine. 44 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: He had already done one article for another magazine, and 45 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: he wanted to do a more in depth piece that 46 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: would include an interview with Tableau himself. Some of the 47 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: most disturbing details from that article aren't from quotes from 48 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: the interviews, it's from the descriptions. The first time he 49 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: meets Tableau, the reporter describes him as looking quote crazed. 50 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: He says that Tableau was holding a cigarette, but he 51 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: never lit it and his eyes kept darting nervously across 52 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: the room. In the second interview with Tableau, the journalist 53 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: brought up something during his reporting. He'd spoken to some 54 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: Tajeno members, and these members told them that their basis 55 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: for believing the rumors, the credibility came from someone who 56 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: was close to Tableau. How did you feel knowing that 57 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: there are family members, Howard Distant who were being implicated 58 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: in these attacks against you. To tell you the truth, 59 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised you weren't surprised. Yeah, I wasn't surprised 60 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: because you know, like I didn't get to choose my relatives. 61 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: They didn't get to choose me. Right. This wasn't the 62 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: first time Tableau had heard this. During the police interrogation. 63 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: Almost a year prior to that, the police had brought 64 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: up a name that he recognized, Sam Cho, Who's a 65 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: cousin that I actually know and uh I went to 66 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: Stanford with apparently was writing things about me. Sam Cho 67 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: was the cousin Tableau had lunch with when he got 68 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: to Stanford, And the first thing he said to me, 69 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: how did you get into Stafford? Really? Yea? I was like, 70 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: all right, Sam, let's just see. After he graduated, Tableau 71 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: says he didn't really think much about his cousin Sam 72 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: until Sam's name came up in connection with Tajano. So 73 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: I have to take a couple of steps back here 74 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: to give you the backstory on why Sam's name ever 75 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: came up in the first place. It actually involves another scandal, 76 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: this time involving Tableau's brother and a comedy show. See 77 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: back in two thousand nine, there was this game show 78 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: on Korean TV called Infinite Challenge It had an episode 79 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: where the contestants went to New York and complete challenges, 80 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: but they had to do it in English. Yeah, I'm 81 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: gonna cut well, I don't number one. At the time, 82 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: Tabloo's brother David was a host of another TV show. 83 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: This was an educational show where he taught English, and 84 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: what David saw on Infinity Challenge really set him off. 85 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: It looked to him like the contestants were pretending to 86 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: be bad at English and playing it all up for laughs. 87 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: David was an educator and so even though this was 88 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: a comedy show, he didn't like the image of smart 89 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: Koreans playing dumb. So on November twenty one, two thousand nine, 90 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: he decided to write a post about it on his 91 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: blog Are you Fucking Serious? That is the one line 92 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: that he wrote in English. It's really long, so we'll 93 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: just kind of cover the main points and we'll have 94 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: someone else read it. Am I the only one who 95 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: thinks this? Or did those white boys make him into 96 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: a complete fool? I wonder what those white boys were thinking. Actually, 97 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: never mind, even if they said it out loud, the 98 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: Koreans wouldn't have understood. Perhaps they thought, what are these 99 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: fucking retards doing. I know you're being real for entertainment, 100 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: but keep the local comedy in Korea please. Okay, since 101 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: when was it so humiliating to be a part of 102 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: the Korean race. David's blog post spread like wildfire. People 103 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: were pissed. First, there's the obvious, the vulgar language he used. 104 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: Not only is this not cool as a member of 105 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: a major broadcasting network, but most people knew him from 106 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: his TV appearances as this mild mannered teacher. I mean, 107 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: it was almost like watching Mr Rogers drop the F bomb. 108 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: It was shocking. But there's also the fact that he 109 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: was Tablow's brother. This was back when Tableau was at 110 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: the height of his fame. He was getting engaged and 111 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: preparing to have a baby. He and his family were 112 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: in the spotlight, and everyone gave off the impression of 113 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: a respectable, high achieving family, and that foul language rant 114 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: was far from what one would expect from that kind 115 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: of model family. David did end up apologizing, but the 116 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: damage had been done. This had all cast a shadow 117 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: over the public image of Tableau's family, which brings us 118 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: back to Sam Cho the controversy about David's blog. As 119 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: you can Imagine was making some waves in the news, 120 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: and on one of the articles on the website of 121 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: a major newspaper, Sam cho posted a comment. But even 122 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: though the article itself was about David, Sam was writing 123 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: about Tableau. You could only get into a good school 124 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: because of your cousin's recommendation. Sole International School knows it, 125 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: but they politely pretended that they didn't notice. Sole International 126 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: is the high school that Sam and Tableau both went 127 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: to in Korea. Sam is saying that Tableau wouldn't even 128 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: have gotten into such a prestigious university like Stanford if 129 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: it weren't for Sam himself recommending him, so he deserves 130 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: credit for that part of Tableau's early success. You are 131 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: not a top student at Stanford. You didn't even have 132 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: a high i Q, and you absolutely didn't get good 133 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: grades in high school. Everyone who studied at Stanford knows 134 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: that you took so called creative writing courses so you 135 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: can more easily get higher grades. It's not possible to 136 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: trace every comment that Sam ever wrote online about Tableau, 137 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: because it's been so long that some of those original 138 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: articles might not exist anymore. But what we know for 139 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: sure is that before Tajanio ever started, Sam was regularly 140 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: writing comments and articles, not just articles about David, but 141 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: even in generic news articles about Tableau. So I have 142 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: to be clear here. We have seen absolutely no evidence 143 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: that sam Cho was ever part of the Tajano Forum, 144 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: and as a matter of fact, he publicly distanced himself 145 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: from them. When Tagano started, sam Cho wrote a post 146 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: on his blog and clarified that he did believe that 147 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: Tableau had graduated from Stanford, but he added that he 148 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: had doubts about Tableau being a so called genius. And 149 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: even though sam rejected their claims, TA Janio found that 150 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: last part very interesting and useful. Sam Cho was constantly 151 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: being referenced by Tajano members. The writer of the Wired 152 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: article even interviewed some members who said, quote, even this 153 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: guy who claims he's his cousin called him a liar. 154 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: The truth is in the cousin's comments. I rely on 155 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: his statements in the court of Tajano opinion. Sam was 156 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,239 Speaker 1: a valuable asset. Here was a guy who knew Tableau. 157 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean their cousins, but it's not that straightforward. They 158 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: are family, but they were never close when I went 159 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: to Canada. Before then, I didn't even know they existed. 160 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: Sam's family had also immigrated to Canada around the same 161 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: time the Tableau's family moved there. It was pretty obvious, 162 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: like right from the beginning that there was absolutely no 163 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: way we could become close or become friends. We were 164 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: just two completely different people. The White Tableau describes it, 165 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: he and Sam hung out once. It sounds like one 166 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: of those hangouts that immigrant families orchestrate to build a 167 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: community to be in a new place. This can be 168 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: really helpful and important for the adults who have limited 169 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: chances to make new friends. For kids, though, it can 170 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: feel kind of forced. He was accomplished violinist, and uh, 171 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: you know they made him play like they're well, they 172 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: made him play on the spot, I think, so. Yeah, 173 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: he did a recital for everybody. It was awkward, honestly, 174 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: and then the parents were like, you know, we're gonna talk, 175 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: so you guys, you should go hang out in your 176 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: cousin's room. And I went, and I remember he was 177 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: playing a flight simulator like I think like German luftwaft 178 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: or something like that, like World War two flight simulator 179 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: kind of thing, and um, I was just sitting there 180 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: like watching him play that. Sam and his family moved 181 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: back to Korea a few years later, so when Tableau 182 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: went back to Seoul, Sam was already there, and so 183 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: he and Tableau found themselves at the same high school, 184 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: Sol International. And the strange thing is, you know, our 185 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: differences were even more visible by the time high school 186 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: rolled around, Like there was no even though he was 187 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: someone I had known kind of uh and sort of 188 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: related to me, Like, it was impossible for us to 189 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: have any interaction in school. And we also had to 190 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: cross paths, uh kind of in a way because of orchestra. 191 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: I also played the violin, right, so we were in orchestra. 192 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: But I was a horrible violin player, Like I was 193 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: just not a very good student, like in that way. 194 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: So I was third violent, which is pretty much you know, 195 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: just kind of just there. He was first violent, and 196 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: he was like intense about that too. If you had 197 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: to visibly like decide who was the more likely to 198 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: funk up, It's probably gonna be me. These two cousins 199 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: had very similar upbringings and they both moved back to 200 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: Korea again around the same time. They had similar talents 201 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: for music, and they went to the same prestigious high school, 202 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: which maybe isn't surprising. Tableau and Sam were operating in 203 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: the same immigrant ecosystem, with a pressure to succeed by 204 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: being talented. Going to the best schools and having access 205 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: to a Western education was seen as keys to success. 206 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: A lot of kids probably had similar experiences, which, now, 207 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: if you're putting the pieces together, Uh, it's it's almost scary. 208 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: How like there's a parallel here. I did not know 209 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: these parallels existed. Like other things happened, and you know, 210 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: time went on, there are other things to think about. 211 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: I was living my life. Sam and Tableau's relationship honestly 212 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: doesn't sound all that unique. I mean, this is why 213 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: comedians are always making jokes about having to see relatives 214 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: you don't like during Thanksgiving, or watching your family post 215 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: and wild racist memes on Facebook. Just because your cousins 216 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're destined to be friends. But when 217 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: the conspiracy theories started winding up, nobody knew about that dynamic. 218 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: All that anyone on Tadano saw was Tableau's own cousin 219 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: questioning his intelligence. That's all the context they needed or wanted. 220 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: And again, when Sam saw what Tajo was posting, he 221 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: wrote on his blog that they were wrong that Tableau 222 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: did graduate from Stanford, but it was too late. A 223 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: lot of people in taj you know, they were really 224 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: going off of, well, his cousin is saying these things, 225 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: because it's like, how bad much this Tableau or just 226 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: Daniel guy b if his own cousin's saying this. One 227 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: user wrote, the Tableau controversy would not have intensified and 228 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: grown so much if you have not spoken out against Tableau. 229 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: Even if these kinds of rumors were already out there, 230 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: they became firm because of Mr Joe. When we first 231 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: reached out to Sam to ask him about these comments 232 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: and his interactions with Tableau, he didn't respond. I could 233 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: see why a lot of people have kind of painted 234 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: Sam as being one of the reasons that Tidano started off, 235 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: when that's not really accurate. But now that ten years 236 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: have passed, I wonder what Sam thought about all this, 237 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: not just about Tableau, but about the bigger picture of 238 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: what this all meant. So we kept trying to contact him. 239 00:15:45,400 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: Finally he responded, m Hi, Stephanie, this is Sam. It 240 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: seems you reached out to me several times to hear 241 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: my side of this story on Daniel Lee's Tableau's scandal 242 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: in South Korea about a decade ago. We wanted to 243 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: see if Sam remembered all the interactions that Tablood told 244 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: us about. Sam told us that he does remember their 245 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: families hanging out in Canada, but he says they got 246 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: together more than once. He also says that they had 247 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: first met in the eighties, back in Korea, when Tableau 248 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: was just a little kid who was into G I. Joe's. 249 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: He also recalls the relationship at Stanford very differently. Remember 250 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: the lunch that Tableau told us about where Sam rudely 251 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: asked how he even got into Stanford. Well, Sam says 252 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: he would never say anything like that, and he actually 253 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: remembers hanging out with Tableau several times during college. I 254 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: wanted to interview Sam like I've interviewed everyone else. He 255 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: said no, but he did send us an email, and 256 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: he agreed to let us have a voice act or 257 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: read his letter as long as we didn't change anything. 258 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: So here's what he had to say. I don't want 259 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: to get too involved in what seems to be Daniel's 260 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: old personal troubles, but since there were quite a few 261 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: misconceptions and false rumors, I will clarify some serious factual 262 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: distortions and misunderstandings through this opportunity for the benefit of 263 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: the public. He starts out by talking about Tableau's TV appearances. 264 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: The false storytelling by Daniel Lee about himself and his 265 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: self aggrandizing behaviors was persistent for many years, and the 266 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: Korean audience began to doubt his overall credibility, and he 267 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: gives some examples of what he calls Tableau's exaggerations. Dan's 268 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: major in English and Creative Writing at Stanford was largely 269 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: self designed with massive, great inflationary characteristics compared to more quantitative, 270 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: stem oriented majors at Stanford. Sam says that because of this, 271 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: Tableau didn't accurately reflect what one would expect of real 272 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: academic success at a prestigious school like Stanford. In my opinion, 273 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: the patternley false yet viral rumor that Daniel Lee was 274 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: not a Stanford graduate was a culmination of the ever 275 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: growing public doubt on Daniel's past based on his dubious 276 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: and not so credible storytelling behaviors over TV and radio 277 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: broadcasts in Korea. So I have to say here that 278 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: we have extensively fact checked Table's credentials, and we haven't 279 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: found anything that is dubious. But in any case, Sam 280 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: stressed that he never had anything to do with Tajanio. 281 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: I have nothing to do with Tableau's anti fans and 282 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: anti fan side creations in Korea. I did not start it, 283 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: I did not participate in it. I was never an 284 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: anti Tableau fan member. In fact, Sam made it clear 285 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: that he doesn't see his comments at fault in feeding 286 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: the conspiracy. Remember he publicly said that he believed Tableau 287 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: went to Stanford. Sam thinks there's something else at play 288 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: when people bring up those old comments he posted back 289 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: in two thousand nine. Ultimately, I think Daniel Lee and 290 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: his fan base wanted a convenient scape yards living far 291 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: outside of their social networks to blame because in their 292 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: disorted minds, Dan Lee's victim play is more effective that way. 293 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: When I was in Korea, I read a few parts 294 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: of Sam's letter to Tableau to see what he thought 295 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: about it. More or less closed by saying, at this 296 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: time of my life, I simply regard Daniel Lee as 297 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: a boy who cried wolf when the wolves came down 298 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: and imperiled him on his academic pedigree. Many people in 299 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: Korea chose not to believe him anymore because his past 300 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: storytelling was not credible. He's probably playing victim to this day. 301 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: But it is my sincere belief that the entire credibility 302 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: trouble for Daniel is his own doing and serves as 303 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: a modern lesson of Aesop's fable for some people. And 304 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: in the case, I hope that he's learned of valuable 305 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: lesson and wish him all the best. I didn't cry wolf. 306 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: They they sent the wolves, you know, they intentionally sent 307 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: wolves after me, and then as I was being eaten alive, 308 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: they told themselves that I'm the one who cried wolf, 309 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: so that they feel less guilty about it. It's unfortunate 310 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: that he thinks that, um, but not surprising honestly, because 311 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: that was the narrative from the get go. And this 312 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: is discounting the fact that I did defend myself. They 313 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: just didn't accept it. I just I just want to 314 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: say that it strikes me that over the last days 315 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: of talking to you, this is our producer Kate and 316 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: talking and like the center of the scandal being about education, 317 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: and you spending days talking to us about the intense 318 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: educational pressure or that you were under that. Clearly Samuel 319 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: Cho was also under, as was generations of Korean children. 320 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: To be honest, what it feels like to me is 321 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: like a primal scream from an entire society of people 322 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: who don't know what to do with this pressure. Yea, 323 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: you know the fact that we we went to so 324 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: many like you know, we crossed paths with these schools, 325 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: the same high school, same college, um, but the way 326 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: we did it was so different. Like I really feel 327 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: like he was I don't know if you put it 328 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: on himself or if his parents forced it on him, 329 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: but I believe that he was um, like he was 330 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: applied in intense pressure to achieve. Today, Sam says he 331 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: doesn't really think much about the scandal. He sees himself 332 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: basically just as a bystander or as an observer whose 333 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: comments got taken out of content. Next, he still believes 334 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: that Tableau's own actions and his brother David's comments kind 335 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: of primed the pump for this whole conspiracy. He actually 336 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: seemed to be a little offended at the idea that 337 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: his comments had anything to do with the way that 338 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: things escalated the way they did. I find it interesting 339 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: that some people think that I should have refrained from 340 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: such comments. Why I don't yet live under a tutalitarian 341 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: regime here in the United States. It is an American tradition, 342 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: let alone the legal right to protect, respect, or even 343 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: celebrate the well informed, intellectual opinions of people. Needless to say, 344 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: I'm a super happy citizen of the United States and 345 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: have been for over twenty years. I have never lived 346 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: in South Korea since my freshman year at Stanford in 347 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: seven on a permanent basis, So I should say here 348 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: that we weren't able to reach Tableau's brother, David Lee 349 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: to ask him about any of this, but our producer 350 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: did talk to Sam one final time over the phone, 351 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: just to see if he had any other thoughts. They 352 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: started talking about education and pressure again, and he didn't 353 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: say much about his own personal experience. But Sam did 354 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: say that he does think there is a heightened pressure 355 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: to succeed in Korea, and that's sort of one of 356 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: the only things that both he and Tableau seemed to 357 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: agree on. If you watch how I raised my daughter 358 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: like I am through showing through action what I didn't 359 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: like about it, I'm raising her in a different way, 360 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: and I don't really share it because there's no venue 361 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: for me to share it really, and it's just my 362 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: private matter. But funny thing, my daughter said to me, Hey, Daddy, 363 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: is Stanford really nice? She asked me. She's eleven, right, 364 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: And I think she said this because her cousin was 365 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: told by someone that you know, maybe like you, you 366 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: should grow up in go to Stanford and mentioned it 367 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: to how do And I guess how do it because 368 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: she talked mommy and Mommy's like, oh, that's the school dad, 369 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: daddy went to. So how do? Came and asked me, 370 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: And in my heart, I'm like, that's like not what 371 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: I demand of you or expect of you, Like I 372 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: want you to do your thing. And I was like, 373 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: why do you want to go to Stanford? And she 374 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: said because I heard there's a shopping center on campus. 375 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: And I was just put a smile on my face 376 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: right because thank god it was me. I was able 377 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: to come out kind of unscathed, if you discount like 378 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: these things happening to me. But I've had friends in 379 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: college that that weren't able to make it out alive. 380 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: Tablo says he came out kind of unscathed, but after 381 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: spending days with him to close to twenty hours of interviews. 382 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: I gotta say I think he might be overestimating himself here. 383 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: Tableau was under incredible pressure to succeed, and to his credit, 384 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: he absolutely met his parents expectations for his childhood, a 385 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: Western education in elite high school, a prestigious college. Now, 386 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: when he graduated, he decided to take another path. His 387 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: parents hated this and continually told him that he was 388 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: screwing up. But he did it anyway, and he proved 389 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: that he was right. But then again, the demands that 390 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: his parents put on him helped his career, so in 391 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: a way they were right too. That pressure, both internal 392 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: and external, that unresolved conflict. It turned him into who 393 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: he is today, but it also left him with a 394 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: lot of scars and a lot of doubts, especially when 395 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: it comes to his family. When I see my friends 396 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: or you know, things, see the things that they've accomplished, 397 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: UM sometimes have like, you know that that may have 398 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: been the safer path that my parents wanted. And if 399 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,239 Speaker 1: I had taken that path, regardless of whether or not 400 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: I would have enjoyed it, Um, none of what happened 401 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: to my family would have happened. Quite possibly, my dad 402 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: would still be alive. You really think that, Yeah, I 403 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: genuinely think that that this killed my dad. He had 404 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: liver cancer when I was in college. He fought it 405 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: for a long time and then he got okay. Tablow's 406 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: father had been doing great. The family considered it a miracle, 407 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: no relapse, no signs of sickness. But then suddenly he 408 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: got sick, really sick. And this was like already about 409 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: a year into this like heavy, which was like it 410 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: was like three sixty five days of seeing um, your 411 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: kid's name like in the new is also the entire 412 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: family like my brother and my sister, like everyone, uh, 413 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: and my mom too, like his wife, right like that 414 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: that must have been like really something like something he 415 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, and at least I understood the internet like 416 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: he you know, this was something like completely new to him, 417 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 1: being like maligned m for the public to see. Right 418 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: in March of Tabloo's father was rushed to the hospital. 419 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: Tabloo said he remembers going to the hospital just trying 420 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: to focus on being there for his dad. But at 421 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: the time, the Tajo trial was one of the biggest 422 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: news headlines in the country, so the hospital's TVs were 423 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: constantly tuned into it. As he was sitting there by 424 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: his father's bedside, you could hear the news on the 425 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: TVs in the background giving updates on the trial of 426 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: the eleven people who were being prosecuted for defaming his family. 427 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: Even in the hospital, Tabloo's family couldn't escape it. And 428 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: then Tablow told me that within days of being admitted 429 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: to the hospital, as the case was still ongoing, Tabloo's 430 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:21,239 Speaker 1: father passed away. It was supposed to be like a 431 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: moment of triumph, but my dad never got to see it, 432 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: and it was like just a surreal moment where they 433 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: were right, you know in a way, Yeah that even 434 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: if I do overcome this, uh, it wouldn't change a thing. Yeah, 435 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: it is not easy for me to deal with. And 436 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: what's worse is that, uh, you know, in a way, 437 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: my parents, well, my parents were right because eventually, you know, 438 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: it led to you know, my my dad just like 439 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: being in the ICU and me like spending you know, 440 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: days at the hospital and just watching him die. One 441 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: thing that I do carry as weight is um. You know, 442 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: people die of cancer, they die of UM, COVID, they 443 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: die of like something or old age. My dad died 444 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: of this and I don't even know what this is. Ah, 445 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: they killed them, I'm sure of that. M so like 446 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: that I carry and anybody that's sort of involved in this, like, 447 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, I want to free, give and forget, but 448 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm also like remembering that they killed my dad. If 449 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: it occurs to me every once in a while, and 450 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I I funked it up for everyone. 451 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: If that occurs to me, I think they possibly could 452 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: blame me, And that's that's fine. You know, what can 453 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: I do? It's partially true, right if I wasn't in 454 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: the public eye, none of that would have happened. What 455 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: do they blame me for? Do you think I think? 456 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: I think my mom still thinks that I should have 457 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: taken the safe road, and if I had, my dad 458 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: would still be here, her husband would still be there. 459 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: Anyone you talked to who knows Tablet personally will say 460 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: the same thing. The Tabloos father's death it was a 461 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: direct result of Tadano. Even the court documents of firm 462 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: that quote this case significantly affected his health, and so 463 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: the country that was once skeptical of Tableau started to 464 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: feel sorry for him. When it was announced that Tableau's 465 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: father had passed. The media, including some of the very 466 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: same outlets that had published articles that fed tiging those attention, 467 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: showed up to the funeral. They were waiting outside. You know. 468 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: It was like I was like walking on the red 469 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: carpet or something, you know. M I just wanted to like, 470 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: it was pretty fucked up for them to be there. 471 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I understand that they weren't there to like 472 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: give me a hard time. They just they were just 473 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: doing their job. But even that was being broadcast, which 474 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: I thought would be which I thought it was kind 475 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: of odd, Like I would not want to watch somebody 476 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: makes no sense. I wouldn't want to watch somebody carry 477 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: out their dad. So sorry, Yes, I'm sorry. I'm fine. 478 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: I just haven't had to think about it in a while. 479 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: It's pretty fun. Up next time. 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