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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday.

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Speaker 3: We have an amazing show for everybody today, extra amazing

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Speaker 3: Ryan bro Show, People Live for the Pound and now Broch.

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Speaker 4: I was just realizing we're going to get to talk

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Speaker 4: about Napoleon and World War Two? Wow, what could be

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Speaker 4: more bro show than that?

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Speaker 1: That is very very bro show.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Little Roman Empire? Can we talk about Coverty?

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Speaker 3: I am not a Roman Empire guy, Sorry, everybody, I

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Speaker 3: guess we could talk about Napoleon. Can we talk about

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Speaker 3: the Napoleon movie and how awful it was? Maybe unk

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Speaker 3: on Ridley Scott. That's when we'll make it a real

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Speaker 3: bro show. All Right, what are we covering today? This

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Speaker 3: is the most difficult part of Crystal's job, and I

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Speaker 3: I've got my rundown there in front of me. We're

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Speaker 3: going to start off with JD. Vans's speech at the

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Speaker 3: Munich Security Conference. Some major international fallout as a result

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Speaker 3: of that, Europeans running scared. You've got Zelensky and others

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Speaker 3: making declarations, some movements on the Ukraine peace talks. We're

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Speaker 3: going to talk about Donald Trump and a Napoleonic style

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about Israel, Gaza and the and

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Speaker 3: Trump will back him up. Some other however, indications about

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Speaker 3: phase two of the ceasefire hostage deal. It's a complete mess.

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Speaker 3: Ryan's going to break a lot of that down for us.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about the Democrats. Jensaki absolutely stunned

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Speaker 3: at John Stewart's declaration that the Democratic Party is not

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Speaker 3: in fact democratic and Luisi man Luigi Angoni, he's resurfaced,

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Speaker 3: He's got his first new public statement along with the

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Speaker 3: the Luigi fan club is alive and well. And then, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: you've got a segment called woke or based? Are you

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what's going.

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Speaker 4: To we want Tager going in fresh to our to

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Speaker 3: So I guess just for the people who aren't terminally online,

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Speaker 3: I think they probably know what woke is at this point.

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Speaker 3: Based is often what it's a moniker that people in

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Speaker 5: Action.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, and it's like hard.

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Speaker 3: For example, we're going to show people a video of

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Speaker 3: a German diplomat crying. That's I would call based, you know,

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Speaker 3: Sorry Germany, anything before we get to that, Ryan, you

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Speaker 4: No, I think you nailed that. All right, thank you.

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Speaker 4: It's a tough part of the job, man, you got No.

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Speaker 3: It is usually to sit here and drink my coffee.

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Speaker 4: When I do. When I do it, I go halfway

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Speaker 3: It's hard, all right, Okay, okay, let's get to Europe.

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Speaker 3: As we said, jd Vance at the Munich Security Conference,

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Speaker 3: This time around, however, returning as vice President arguably one

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to the speech and we'll break

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Speaker 6: In Washington, there is a new sheriff in town, and

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Speaker 6: under Donald Trump's leadership, we may disagree with your views,

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Speaker 6: it in the public square, agree or disagree. We gather

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Speaker 6: at this conference, of course, to discuss security, and normally

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Speaker 6: we mean threats to our external security. I see many

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Speaker 6: to provide for its own defense, the threat that I

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Speaker 6: it's not China, it's not any other external actor. And

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Speaker 6: what I worry about is the threat from within, the

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Speaker 4: Could happen in Germany too.

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Speaker 6: Now, these cavalier statements are shocking to American ears. For years,

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Speaker 6: we've been told that everything we fund and support is

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Speaker 6: in the name of our shared democratic values. Everything from

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Speaker 4: A defense of democracy. But when we see.

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Speaker 6: European courts canceling elections and senior officials threatening to cancel others, we.

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Speaker 6: Holding ourselves to an appropriately high standard. And I say ourselves,

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Speaker 6: We must do more than talk about democratic values, we

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Speaker 3: So Ryan that has elicited a full fret fledged freakout

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Speaker 3: in Germany and at the Munich Security Conference, our friend

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Speaker 3: I really apologize, are not bertrand actually put out a

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Speaker 1: So we put it that way. Well, he actually put

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Speaker 3: He said, it's really hard not to make a parallel

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Speaker 3: between JD Van's speech right now at the Muni Security

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Speaker 3: very same podium. Both were watershed moments that fundamentally transformed

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Speaker 3: the existing consensus. Putin, at the time delivered the speech

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Speaker 3: that marked the beginning of the end of the unipolar moment.

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Speaker 3: JD's speech will be probably remembered as the speech that

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Speaker 3: But basically, in this speech it was both a declaration

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Speaker 1: Of course literally overthrow a government.

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Speaker 3: Your Romania reporting, by the way, has probably got to

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Speaker 3: but really, at a very very high level, this is

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Speaker 1: It's much much bigger than that.

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Speaker 3: It gets to the point of that there is a

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Speaker 3: single conflict, Ukraine is frankly, you know, more of a

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Speaker 4: It was interesting to me that Jadvance didn't kind of

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Speaker 4: They didn't do that. He suggested that these European censorship

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Speaker 4: And certainly there were those elements that were fine to

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Speaker 4: And as we reported in our story, it was USAID

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Speaker 3: This is Operation's point where he's like, this, ob the

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Speaker 4: So why would he do that? Like that's an inch,

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Speaker 1: Question up, Probably you know, I don't. I honestly don't know,

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Speaker 1: because I think you're totally right.

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Speaker 3: That's one of the things that I actually most agreed

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Speaker 3: very critical of European migration policy and all that, but

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Speaker 3: he is correct where he's like, hey, look, you guys

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Speaker 3: are the people who destroyed Afghanistan.

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Speaker 4: You're the ones for the most parting.

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Speaker 7: The President Trump said this week he did not say

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Speaker 8: So I will never accept any decisions between the United

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Speaker 8: So this is the war in Ukraine against us, and

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Speaker 8: The risk that Rusua will occupy Europe is one hundred percent.

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Speaker 8: They will begin from those countries, as I said, are

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Speaker 4: They will begin and we'll see what.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely that.

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Speaker 4: Do we believe that yet?

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Speaker 4: They keep shawannas Russians that look Korean. It's like, yeah, bro, half.

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Speaker 1: Of that's true.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of Russian citizens who you know,

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Speaker 3: who have quite literally Asiatic like from the Step or

445
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Speaker 3: from Kyrgyzstan or whatever, you know, any of these places

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Speaker 3: that are still inside of the current Russian federation.

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Speaker 1: So a great point on that one, Ryan.

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Speaker 3: So the Ukraine last ditch appears to be selling what

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Speaker 3: mineral rights, and this is something that Lindsey Graham has

450
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Speaker 3: been pushing for many years. He certainly has found a

451
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Speaker 3: way to Trump's heart talking about how many awesome rare

452
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Speaker 3: earth minerals they have and why that's the reason that

453
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Speaker 3: we should support Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: I think the main thing for me is that Ukraine

456
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Speaker 5: has value, literally has value. So you can talk about

457
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Speaker 5: democracy and people love talking about democracy here, which is

458
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Speaker 5: it's great to talk about democracy. But where were you

459
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Speaker 5: in twenty fourteen when they actually needed you. So Trump

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Speaker 5: now sees Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: Differently because of the rarest stuff.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, I said, playing god, these people are

463
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Speaker 5: sitting on literally a gold mine. What did he say?

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Speaker 4: What do you mean?

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Speaker 5: I showed him a map? Yeah, look, you know, everybody

466
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Speaker 5: says poot wants to reconstruct the Soviet Union and the

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Speaker 5: Russian Empire.

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Speaker 1: A map of the rare earth on the golf court.

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Speaker 4: Not only okay, but later.

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Speaker 5: Later, Yeah, I've seen this. Look this stuff is. That's

471
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Speaker 5: one of the reasons the guys wanting to go into

472
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Speaker 5: Ukraine is take their stuff. I mean, there's treads of

473
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Speaker 5: dollars of very valuable rare earth minerals that he's trying

474
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Speaker 5: to take by force. And I told President Trump that's

475
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Speaker 5: not a good way to do business.

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Speaker 4: So you made Donald Trump by Ukraine hawk. I showed

477
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Speaker 4: him that map.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if he's a Ukraine hawk, but

479
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Speaker 5: I made him understand that if you let Putin get

480
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Speaker 5: away with this grabbing stuff at not his, but force

481
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Speaker 5: other people starting do us.

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Speaker 3: So that's the I guess that's all they have now

483
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Speaker 3: in terms of what it looks like. There's some reporting here.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen from Josh Rogan.

485
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Speaker 3: He's very tapped in to the foreign policy elite, he says.

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Speaker 3: Multiple lawmakers here in Munich told me that the US

487
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Speaker 3: Congressional delegation presented Zelenski with a piece of paper they

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Speaker 3: wanted him to sign, which would grant the US rights

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Speaker 3: to fifty percent of Ukraine's future mineral reserves. Zelenski quote

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Speaker 3: politely declined to sign it. He continued, after a lot

491
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Speaker 3: more reporting, I have more detail. This plan was presented

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Speaker 3: to Zelenski by the US ambassador in advance of the

493
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Speaker 3: Secretary Kiev, a Secretary Besson's trip to Kiev. Zelenski told

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Speaker 3: those lawmakers about it today in today's meetings. Zelenski was

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Speaker 3: telling them about the paper, which many of them didn't

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Speaker 3: even know about, not the other way around. He said

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Speaker 3: he couldn't sign it because it didn't contain any security

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Speaker 3: guarantees for Ukraine. So that's that's the current status.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so Josh had it a little bit backwards

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Speaker 4: the first time around, but still a nice little scoop.

501
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Speaker 4: But basically, yeah, what happened. So Secretary of the Treasury

502
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Speaker 4: comes to Ukraine and ahead of his trip, the US

503
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Speaker 4: ambassador presents Zelensky with this deal, like we will take

504
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Speaker 4: fifty percent of your rare earth and there's not even

505
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Speaker 4: a quote on it. There's not even a promise that

506
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Speaker 4: and as a result you will get these security guarantees.

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Speaker 4: It's just like, by the way, we're going to take

508
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Speaker 4: fifty percent of what you have. Zelenski declines to sign that,

509
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Speaker 4: and then and then kind of tattles to the law

510
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Speaker 4: awmakers who come a couple of days later. One question

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Speaker 4: I'm starting to have, though, is how rare these rare

512
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Speaker 4: earths are?

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Speaker 1: Yes, everywhere in the world. That is such a good

514
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Speaker 1: They're everywhere. I hear about it all. Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 3: The Congo Afghanistan people said, Afghanistan's a trillion dollars.

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Speaker 1: I think Mexico does have a large lithium deposit.

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Speaker 4: They do Chile. But isn't that rare? Yeah, a good point.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's not. I hadn't thought about that. So

519
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Speaker 1: we should get into Trump's here and be like, they're

520
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Speaker 1: not that rare.

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Speaker 3: They're They're actually in Wyoming, you can, they're sitting right here.

522
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Speaker 3: We could go tap it right now. They're even in Canada.

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Speaker 3: You know, we don't even have to annex Canada. We

524
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Speaker 3: could just buy it from them. We don't need to

525
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Speaker 3: sign it. Would send a bunch of people to die

526
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Speaker 3: for all of this. So I will say I think

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Speaker 3: that remains the base obstacle to any sort of future

528
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Speaker 3: Ukraine peace deal. Is this, you know, convincing Donald Trump

529
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Speaker 3: that in fifty years from now will be able to

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Speaker 3: have access to all.

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Speaker 1: Of these mineral rights or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Apparently this is an active thing that Zelenski and them

533
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Speaker 3: are pushing, but at a big level.

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Speaker 1: Again, just to prepare everyone.

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Speaker 3: The Munich speech is paired with the Saudi Arabia Pea

536
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Speaker 3: stocks which.

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Speaker 1: Are ongoing right now in Riod. We will stay tuned

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Speaker 1: for what that looks like.

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Speaker 3: But it is the first real bilateral talks between the

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Speaker 3: United States and Russia in years since the outbreak of

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Speaker 3: the Ukraine conflict.

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Speaker 1: Trump literally said he spoke to Putin.

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Speaker 3: They mutually agreed to visit each other's countries, and we'll

544
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Speaker 3: continue to keep everybody updated speaking of that, this is

545
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Speaker 3: definitely something very close to Ryan and I's heart. Was

546
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Speaker 3: an off the cuff re mark by Donald Trump where

547
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Speaker 3: neither of us really believe it's true, but we would

548
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Speaker 3: like for this to be true.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: We have the greatest military equipment in the world. We're

551
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Speaker 9: building it. At some point when things settle down, I'm

552
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Speaker 9: going to meet with China and I'm going to meet

553
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Speaker 9: with Russia in particular those two, and I'm going to say,

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Speaker 9: there's no reason for us to be spending almost a

555
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Speaker 9: trillion dollars on military. There's no reason for you to

556
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Speaker 9: be spending four hundred billion dollars. China is going to

557
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Speaker 9: be at four undred billion, We're at a trillion, We're

558
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Speaker 9: going to be close to a trillion. And I'm going

559
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Speaker 9: to say, we can settle this on we can spend

560
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Speaker 9: this on other things. We don't have to spend this

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Speaker 9: on military because and I'm going to be meeting with China.

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Speaker 9: You know, we were trying to de escalate nuclear and

563
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Speaker 9: I was in a position where Russia had agreed and

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Speaker 9: had agreed we were going to start, and then we

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Speaker 9: had a rigged elect and so that never took place.

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Speaker 9: But this one was too big to rig. We won

567
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Speaker 9: by so much that it was too big to rig that.

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Speaker 10: President Putin really liked the idea of cutting way back

569
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Speaker 10: on nuclear and I think the rest of the world

570
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Speaker 10: we would have gotten them to follow, and China would

571
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Speaker 10: have come along too. China also liked it. Tremendous amounts

572
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Speaker 10: of money of being spent on nuclear and the destructive

573
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Speaker 10: capability is something that we don't even want to talk

574
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Speaker 10: about today because you don't want to hear, it's too depressing.

575
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Speaker 10: So we want to see if we can denuclearize, and

576
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Speaker 10: I think that's very possible.

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Speaker 1: So Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Is the most radical proposal since what since Richard Nixon

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Speaker 3: or prior to that.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think maybe the Kennedy administration.

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Speaker 3: The start treaties, the nuclear treaties. This is definitely in

582
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Speaker 3: that vein. Now, obviously there's not a single is there

583
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Speaker 3: maybe one law maker in Washington, maybe two or three

584
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Speaker 3: who might have go along with this, but Bernie all

585
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Speaker 3: five hundred and thirty two other members definitely going to

586
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Speaker 3: be against this.

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Speaker 4: So again, Bernie, Bernie, as long as you don't go

588
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Speaker 4: after whatever they're making in Vermont, that's right.

589
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Speaker 3: As long as you're not touching whatever is made in Vermont,

590
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Speaker 3: he says, Well, you know, we don't have to spend

591
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Speaker 3: this on other things. We can lower our defense spending

592
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Speaker 3: all around, and then we won't have to spend it

593
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Speaker 3: on the military.

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Speaker 1: It's a nice idea. It's certainly a nice idea.

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Speaker 4: You have to go back to JFK's American University peace speech, Oh,

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Speaker 4: the one that got him killed, the one that probably

597
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Speaker 4: got him killed, right, And also people should go back

598
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: and check out the conspiracy analysis around that that where

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Speaker 4: he may have been influenced by LSD towards the end

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Speaker 4: of his life.

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Speaker 1: Is that true.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know that from Mary Pinchot Meyer, who he

603
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Speaker 4: was having an affair with, who was cord Meyer's ex wife.

604
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Speaker 4: Cord Meyer one of the kind of top original goons

605
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Speaker 4: in the CIA. She was also very close friends with

606
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Speaker 4: Timothy Leary. And she definitely dosed David Bradley and a

607
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 4: bunch of other like illuminaries in the nineteen sixties and fascinating.

608
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Speaker 4: And so there's some right now, no question she smoked

609
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Speaker 4: weed with with JFK. It's the older. There is some

610
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Speaker 4: question did they trip. It's possible. Yeah, she was then

611
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Speaker 4: murdered on the towpath. So have fun down.

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Speaker 1: I'm unfamiliar with all of this.

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Speaker 4: This is a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: I need to talk to ol of her about it.

615
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Speaker 1: We got to give him a call.

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Speaker 4: So Trump's so Trump is creeping into dangerous territory.

617
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Speaker 1: You're right, but he's obviously correct.

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Speaker 4: If you can sit down with China and Russia and

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Speaker 4: be like, look, we're dropping a trillion, you're dropping four

620
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Speaker 4: hundred billion, Russia, you're dropping insane percentage of your GDP

621
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Speaker 4: on military spending and nuclear spending. You can't afford that

622
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Speaker 4: we're getting bankrupted China. Don't you want to do more

623
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Speaker 4: Belton road stuff instead of you know, nuclear weapons, And

624
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Speaker 4: if they can come to an actual agreement on that,

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Speaker 4: that's Nobelt Peace Prize worthy.

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Speaker 3: That's again why I'm so supportive of ditching all of

627
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Speaker 3: these fake institutions, which I think either propagate conflict or

628
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Speaker 3: do everything to trust up, you know, great power competition

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Speaker 3: in the language of international values. We were talking a

630
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Speaker 3: lot about this last time with Krystal, about is you know,

631
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Speaker 3: the idea of propping up and sending a million or

632
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Speaker 3: so Ukrainians to their death or to being maimed for democracy,

633
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Speaker 3: And it's like, this is obviously obviously not about democracy.

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Speaker 3: It's about real politique a bad reading in my opinion,

635
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Speaker 3: about trying to get all these Russians killed. But it

636
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Speaker 3: especially falls apart with real politique policy in Israel.

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Speaker 1: So you're like, oh, well, actually we're.

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00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: Okay with it over here, but we're definitely not okay

639
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Speaker 3: with it over here. It's just it's ridiculous, right, and

640
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: it falls apart on its own face any neutral observer

641
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Speaker 3: out there. Her point was, well, maybe it was a

642
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Speaker 3: good thing to at least still trust it up with democracy.

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00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 3: But this gets to my point that there is no

644
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Speaker 3: true balance of power in the language of human rights

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Speaker 3: democracy institutions. Great powers are the people who run the world.

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Speaker 3: It has just been through these institutions that have been

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Speaker 3: their vehicle. At its heart, the future of the world

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Speaker 3: will be, you know, basically decided by the nuclear powers,

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Speaker 3: and especially by the United States and China, to a

650
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Speaker 3: s lesser extent, Russia here with respect to Europeans. So

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Speaker 3: just sit down with them and be like, okay, what

652
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Speaker 3: are we doing here? This is something that we did

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Speaker 3: so much in the past. I mean, one of the

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Speaker 3: things I respect so much about our leaders like Eisenhower

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Speaker 3: and Truman and FDR, is I mean, outside of FDR's case,

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Speaker 3: Truman and Eisenhower deeply optical of Khrushchev or of Stalin,

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Speaker 3: they still met with them all the time because they

658
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Speaker 3: even you know, mutually distrusted each other at those alliance tables,

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Speaker 3: but they had obviously a common enemy under Nazi Germany.

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Speaker 3: But even beyond that, trying to figure out what can

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Speaker 3: we do about you know, making sure that there is

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Speaker 3: not such another devastating war. And I think, if anything,

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Speaker 3: the removal of consequence like of war what you were

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Speaker 3: talking about earlier with Europe, has turned all of this

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Speaker 3: into like an intellectual exercise that Bill Eyes what how

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Speaker 3: important it is to actually have true balance of power,

667
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Speaker 3: to have honesty in international relations, where hypocrisy, in my opinion,

668
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Speaker 3: just breeds too many gaps for people like Russia and

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Speaker 3: others to view what is US national policy with respect

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Speaker 3: to Ukraine. When we don't speak in the language of

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Speaker 3: national interest, we both cannot understand one another. But it

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Speaker 3: leads to so much ambiguity, hypocrisy and others that it

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Speaker 3: leads to things like Iraq, Libya, you know, the North

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Speaker 3: Koreans being unable to trust us for giving up their

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Speaker 3: if we had never if we had never taken down

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Speaker 3: the Libyan regime and destroyed Gadafi. I think there's a

677
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Speaker 3: not as big chance, but there's somewhat of a chance

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Speaker 3: that the North Koreans would listen.

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Speaker 1: But sure, that's what.

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Speaker 4: They always say.

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Speaker 1: I'm not listening to you. Yeah, I will never trust you.

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Speaker 1: Look at Gadafi. I don't blame them. If I were them,

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Speaker 1: there's no way I would.

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Speaker 4: Give it on bout it right, he gave it nuclear

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Speaker 4: weapons and then said the only place where I'd slightly

686
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Speaker 4: disagree with you there is that I would draw some

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Speaker 4: daylight between the approaches of FDR and Truman. Whereas FDR,

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Speaker 4: I think, if he had lived, was willing to and

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Speaker 4: the whole if he had lived, you can kind of

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Speaker 4: fill in your own utopia. But there's a lot of evidence.

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Speaker 4: I think that FDR had decided that in a post

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Speaker 4: World War two era, it was time to share the

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Speaker 4: world with communism and was with the Soviet Union like, yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 4: it was not going to be It wasn't going to

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Speaker 4: be a cold war. That was a contest, that was

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Speaker 4: a zero sum contest of uh, you know, we must

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Speaker 4: defeat them or they will defeat us. That he believed

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Speaker 4: that there was enough of a world order that could

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Speaker 4: be that and that the pressure of communism because it

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Speaker 4: was going to blunt the ills of capitalism and create

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Speaker 4: enough of a social welfare state that it would be

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Speaker 4: more stable in a Kinesian kind of way, Whereas Truman

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Speaker 4: and the kind of the national security apparatus that was

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Speaker 4: behind him really saw it as a zero sum. So

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Speaker 4: in some ways we're now getting We now have another

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Speaker 4: opportunity to make that bargain with another version of communism.

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Speaker 4: But now it's instead of FDR, it's Trump, and instead

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Speaker 4: of Stalin, it's she, and let's share the world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well she is a lot smarter than Stalin, so

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Speaker 3: let's rather talk to him.

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Speaker 4: But let's share it instead of fighting over it. It

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Speaker 4: doesn't have to be a zero sum competition.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: So sure about that, but at the very least zero

715
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Speaker 3: sum competition can actually still have a more stable outcome

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Speaker 3: than whatever the hell is currently happening with Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: It's not in NATO. We're treated like NATO.

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Speaker 3: We're send a lot of troops there, and it's a

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Speaker 3: vital of interest in NATO, except NATO countries are supposed

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Speaker 3: to be vital interest. It doesn't make any sense. All

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Speaker 3: of it falls apart in itself. You got to defend

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Speaker 3: Ukraine so that we can defend anight. It's like, well,

723
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Speaker 3: the whole purpose is defend NATO. And then before that,

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Speaker 3: NATO knocked off Mohamar Gaddafi, So what Libya was a

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Speaker 3: vital interest to NATO That still remains one of the

726
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Speaker 3: most insane things that ever happened. Let us, however, not

727
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Speaker 3: say that they're is. Let us, however, say that their

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Speaker 3: resistance right now to reducing military spending is titanic in.

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Speaker 1: Terms of what you're up against. In Washington.

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Speaker 3: We have an example here from Dan Crenshaw. Crenshaw, some

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Speaker 3: people have called him. I don't know why they would

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Speaker 3: here on face the nation.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 11: When it comes to the military and military spending. The

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Speaker 11: US spends about three point four percent of its GDP

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Speaker 11: on defense. Are you on board with boosting it to

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Speaker 11: five percent, which is what President Trump is saying Western

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Speaker 11: countries need to do. Are Republicans going to do that?

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Speaker 12: It's it's quite the target. Look, we've got a lot

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Speaker 12: of work to do right now on We've got a

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Speaker 12: budget's pass from the last year's budget. Government funding expires

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Speaker 12: on March fourteenth, so we got to deal with that.

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Speaker 4: We've got to deal with the debt ceiling.

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Speaker 12: We've got a finance uh disaster aid for California wildfires.

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Speaker 12: We've got a reconciliation bill coming up. Look at you

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Speaker 12: look at the world at the moment, and where America

747
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Speaker 12: stands and the investments we need to make it's pretty

748
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Speaker 12: obvious we need to increase the defense spending, and then

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Speaker 12: the exact amount, of course, will get worked out in Congress.

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Speaker 4: So there you go, and yes, and Pentagon spending is

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Speaker 4: the only thing that the media will ever talk about

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Speaker 4: in its proper terms, which to me, the proper way

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Speaker 4: of talking about spending is a percentage of GDP obviously,

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Speaker 4: because that's how you can understand something. You know, what

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Speaker 4: do you spend in rent as a percentage of what

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Speaker 4: you make? That's what matters, That's right, And so three

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Speaker 4: point four percent, and all of a sudden, now it sounds, oh,

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Speaker 4: that's kind of timy. We could do a little bit

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Speaker 4: more than that. They never will talk about, like assist

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Speaker 4: you know, the actual foreign aid to like Africa as

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Speaker 4: a percentage of GDP. That isn't the like regime change.

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Speaker 3: Well you're going to hear it from me at least, right, Well,

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Speaker 3: that's part of why I get annoyed. Everyone's like this

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Speaker 3: is an American revolution, like guys point seven of the

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Speaker 3: federal budget.

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Speaker 1: Okay, like it actually.

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Speaker 4: That includes whatever this hit I was gonna say.

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Speaker 3: So if you take out the woke bullshit, it's like

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Speaker 3: maybe point two five percent of the federal budget. If

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Speaker 3: you want a real American revolution, you got to go

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Speaker 3: for the Pentagon, or you got to go for the

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Speaker 3: entitlement programs.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we should go for the entitlement program.

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Speaker 1: So what do we have it? Let's talk right If

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Speaker 1: anybody ever wants to talk about.

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Speaker 4: That, I might.

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Speaker 3: My door is open, my phone line is ready. However, conveniently,

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Speaker 3: there's just way too much. I mean, as you and

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Speaker 3: I know right now, of all the talk for firing

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Speaker 3: federal workers, et cetera, there has not been even a

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Speaker 3: modest dent in what the economy of Washington really is.

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Speaker 3: If those should all those other people actually go after

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Speaker 3: the Pentagon, that's when you're going to see a real

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Speaker 3: fall in housing values and a destruction of the Northern

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Speaker 3: Virginia economy. Until that time, we're not talking about the

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Speaker 3: close substantial amount of people.

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Speaker 4: The closest we got was we reported last week that

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk had a four hundred million dollar contract.

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh yeah, we had You're on the show.

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Speaker 4: And then they nixed that contract.

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Speaker 1: So did they nix it? I thought they only changed

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Speaker 1: the name.

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Speaker 4: First they changed the name, and then a day or

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Speaker 4: two later they said, actually, this whole thing's on hold,

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Speaker 4: really which and frankly from a green let's talk about

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Speaker 4: clean energy real quick. From a green perspective, this was

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Speaker 4: stupid anyway, because if you are driving around in an

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Speaker 4: armored diplomatic vehicle, then by definition you're in a difficult country.

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Speaker 4: It's developing country.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So where you're going to charge your car, you're.

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Speaker 4: Going to charge it at the embassy, which is fired

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Speaker 4: by a coal powered plant, like all any country. If

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Speaker 4: you're in Norway, you don't need an armored tesla. You

804
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Speaker 4: can get around in an uber but and there you

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Speaker 4: can maybe find some renewable energy. But in Congo, where

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Speaker 4: you do need armored vehicles to get around, those are

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Speaker 4: coal plants that are firing your electric vehicle. So you've

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Speaker 4: got the carbon footprint of making the thing. Then you've

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Speaker 4: got the carbon and of getting the rare earth it's.

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Speaker 1: Certainly sound like me on an electric vehicle.

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Speaker 4: Then you got the carbon footprint of shipping it over

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Speaker 4: to Congo, and then you're plugging it into a coal fired.

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Speaker 3: That's actually stupid because you take the cobol out of

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Speaker 3: the Congo, you ship it to China or the United States,

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Speaker 3: you re find it, you put it in the country,

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Speaker 3: and you ship it back to the.

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Speaker 4: And then you plug it into a coal fired.

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Speaker 1: Plug it into a coal fired power plan.

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Speaker 4: So they've they've paused that contract. Okay, good, you're welcome.

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Speaker 4: That's four hundred million dollars for you.

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Speaker 1: Right, But now, what are they going to buy? Lan?

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Speaker 1: They should just buy a land cruiser. That's what we

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Speaker 1: all know.

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Speaker 3: Look, you know what's that what's that truck that all

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Speaker 3: the terrorists hues highlights think a sec Let's be honest,

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Speaker 3: you know, we haven't got a lot of proof in

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Speaker 3: a lot of these videos.

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Speaker 4: I want to buy what. I want to see the

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Speaker 4: diplomats riding in the back of the white Toyota.

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Speaker 3: In the back of a Toyota highlucks, it's indestructible. When

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Speaker 3: I lived in the Middle East, all the Arabs are

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Speaker 3: rolling around in Toyota land cruisers.

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Speaker 1: You got to learn from them. You gotta learn from them.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to Donald Trump and his Napoleonic

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Speaker 3: Declaration in addition to some updates around dough. So Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump shocked America, I guess maybe not so shocking. Let's

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Speaker 3: put this up there on the screen he who saves

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Speaker 3: his country does not vy elate any law. So Ryan

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Speaker 3: who and what came up with this saying? What is

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Speaker 3: the what is the echo historical echo here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is this is an apocryphal Napoleon quote

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Speaker 4: that comes from the good, the good Napoleon movie Waterloo,

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Speaker 4: which was like that nineteen sent I've never seen it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe watch it.

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Speaker 4: It's on YouTube. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, and they like

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Speaker 4: they famously they have like one hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 4: like extras like actually do the battle. So so I

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Speaker 4: don't know it was one hundred and fifty thousand, but

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Speaker 4: tens of thousands of people dressed as Prussians and French soldiers.

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Speaker 4: It was. It was the most sophisticated and like gigantic

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Speaker 4: battle scene like ever filmed by Hollywood. And so you know,

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Speaker 4: you don't know, not not the cgi like whip up

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Speaker 4: that made a suffer through. But yes, so, whether Napoleon

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Speaker 4: said this or not, this was this how this is

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Speaker 4: how Napoleon felt like.

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Speaker 1: He's been attributed to him.

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Speaker 4: He definitely did say I am the revolution.

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Speaker 3: Right am the state, and then you say that that

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Speaker 3: was the king.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but what Napoleon said is his his version of

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Speaker 4: that exact same thing was I am the revolution, because

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Speaker 4: he was saying, like people are saying, like, hey, I

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Speaker 4: thought the revolution was for all of these you know,

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Speaker 4: fraternity equality, like we didn't we just talked about all

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Speaker 4: this stuff. And He's like, well, no, I am the revolution.

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Speaker 4: So whatever I do is therefore in advancement of the

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Speaker 4: of the of the revolutionary values, of the French revolutionary values.

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Speaker 4: And Trump's saying this is really only a kind of stating,

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Speaker 4: a textualizing of what has always been his subtext that

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Speaker 4: there isn't really ideology behind trump Ism. It's whatever Trump says.

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Speaker 4: Now he's taking it to the place that it's not

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Speaker 4: even illegal if I if I do it, which ended

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Speaker 4: Nixon when.

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Speaker 1: The president it's not illegal.

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Speaker 4: That was considered to be the worst thing that a

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Speaker 4: president had ever said.

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Speaker 1: Did he say that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he said that in office, though I

879
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: think he s David Frost.

880
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 4: But it was like he was trying to make his comeback,

881
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 4: and when he said that, like, yeah, banished this stand.

882
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: It's not illegal.

883
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: Let's put the next screenshot up there from Elon. He

884
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 3: had lots of American flags there. I guess Elon is

885
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: a console, a deputy of one of Napoleon's generals.

886
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 4: Here he's a talerrand yeah, yeah, that's right, although I

887
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 4: mean does it fit well, Yes, that's true.

888
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: But you know he was.

889
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: Also tallerand was he was like, how would you say

890
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: he's an opportunist? He was an opportunist. He was constantly

891
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 3: playing people off of each other. He was a vassal

892
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: to the king and then to the revolutionaries and then

893
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: eventually to Napoleon. He features very prominently in the popular

894
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 3: book I'm Forgetting forty eight Laws of Power. There are

895
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: a ton of Talleran.

896
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 4: Quotes and then yeah, and then Tallyrand sells the Napoleon out,

897
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: So that's careful.

898
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm not nearly as well read on my French revelation.

899
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: It's just the black hole, to be honest, because there's

900
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: so much rights a revolution, and then you know, the

901
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: revolution goes through all these phases, and there's Napolion and

902
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: then Napolean Lee's and the king comes back, and then

903
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: Napoleon the third comes in. I'm like, I can't get

904
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: my add around all this shit. It's just too much.

905
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: I think there is there's that Revolutions podcast. Why what's

906
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: that guy named Mike Duncan. It's so long, but all

907
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: my friends who have listened to it highly recommend it.

908
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: I eventually, one day I will get my head around

909
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: the entire French Revolution.

910
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: But let's, you know, kind of put this together with

911
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: Trump and with Elon, kind of affusing of the two forces.

912
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: They did a joint interview on Fox News. Let's take

913
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: a listen, tried it.

914
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 13: Then they stopped. That was they have many different things

915
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 13: of hatred. Actually, Elon called me, he said, you know

916
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 13: they're trying to drive us apart. I said absolutely. Now

917
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 13: they said we have breaking as Donald Trump has seated

918
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 13: control of the presidency to Elon Musk. President Musk will

919
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 13: be attending a cabinet meeting, and I say, it's just

920
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 13: so obvious. They're so bad at it. I used to

921
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 13: think they were good at it. They're actually bad at it.

922
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 13: Because if they were good at it, I'd definitely be president,

923
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 13: because I think nobody in history has ever gotten more

924
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 13: bad publicity than me. I could do the greatest things.

925
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 13: I get ninety eight percent bad publicity. I could do

926
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 13: outside of you, a few of your very good friends.

927
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 13: It's like the craziest thing. But you know what I

928
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 13: have learned eland that people are smart. They get it.

929
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, they do it.

930
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: They get it.

931
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 13: They really see what's happening.

932
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: All right.

933
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: So joint interview there Bible White House with Donald Trump.

934
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: Pretty obviously moved by Trump to quell some of the

935
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 3: elon as president, although I'm not so sure because I've

936
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: never seen Trump do that for literally anybody else, maybe

937
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: his vice president. I mean, that's it. A joint interview.

938
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 3: I am coming around to the crystal point of view

939
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: that there's something weird going on here.

940
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: It's odd.

941
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: I've never seen Trump like this act so not even

942
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: subservient but accepting of obviously an equal power center. I

943
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: guess all we can take away from it is I

944
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: think he just agrees with Evon.

945
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean, is that what it is?

946
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: I really have no idea what it is because and look,

947
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: I mean I've said this before. I do think that

948
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: there is like a popularist aspect to dose. People hate

949
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: the government. You know, they hate the government n til

950
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: they need the government. But in the interim, people hate

951
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: the government and they don't have any particular I don't

952
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: think that outside of a lot of liberals who are

953
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 3: reading the news constantly and like blued to their phones.

954
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm just not so sure that the so called popular

955
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: revolution against all this stuff will materialize.

956
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Maybe in the future if you can pin.

957
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: A natural disaster or something on them, but I'm not

958
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: seeing it at least.

959
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: Yet outside of the democratic faithful.

960
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: All I took away from that interview is Trump is

961
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: totally dedicated to him, which again I think is crazy. No,

962
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: I really don't understand this dynamic, how it really came

963
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: to be and so close, especially because if you're a

964
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: Trump aid or others, if you're Trump yourself, you want

965
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: to be in control of your narrative. You want to

966
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 3: be control of your own story. Like even Advance works

967
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: for Trump. He's not a separate power center in and

968
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: of himself in the way that Elon is, and so

969
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: Elon's main character energy I always assumed would rub up

970
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 3: against Trump, and maybe it will eventually in the future,

971
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: but even to this extent, I never would have predicted

972
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: that he would have tolerated anything.

973
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Elon's out there doing his own thing and creating

974
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 4: his own reality and then forcing Trump to respond to it.

975
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 4: And it's it's it's quite incredible because I find myself

976
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 4: in this very unusual and almost uncomfortable situation of kind

977
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 4: of pulling for Trump.

978
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same way Trump, like stand up.

979
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 4: For yourself then come on and sort of pulling for

980
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: the maga folks to be like get some dignity and

981
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 4: some self respect to your guys, Like you fought for

982
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 4: eight years to get back into power, and you let

983
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 4: this guy come in in September and stroke a check

984
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 4: and he's he gets to just be along for the ride,

985
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 4: Like don't you have any dignity here?

986
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: No, that's actually the actual answer.

987
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: And I mean, look, maybe there's some lessons in this

988
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: as that being rich and famous is actually all that

989
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: really matters in terms of the currency for Trump. Trump

990
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: in a certain sense either agrees with all of this

991
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: or he's fine. Maybe let's say a galaxy brain case,

992
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: which is Trump is here more popular than ever, high

993
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 3: approval rating, people are describing him as energetic. All he

994
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: really cares about is tariffs and maybe Russia Ukraine, right

995
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: ish in terms of like getting on the phone being

996
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: president at a bit at a high level and just

997
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 3: let elon deal with all the unpopular stuff which all

998
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: the donors and all these other people go crazy for.

999
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: So I have all my donors are happy.

1000
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 3: The media is obsessed with a foreign target who's literally

1001
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: absorbing all the bad press, and I'm just sitting pretty

1002
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: up here at the top, like he's like a whipping boy.

1003
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: I guess for what the real agenda is, But like

1004
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: you said, that's not really what the coot real agenda

1005
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: was supposed to be. So I do honestly find the

1006
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 3: entire thing bizarre. I just think that at a certain level,

1007
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: Trump is fascinated by Elon.

1008
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: Maybe he buys the hype.

1009
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 4: Maybe he just in that spaces he's like, you're an

1010
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 4: interesting cost.

1011
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's an interesting character. Yeah, yeah, he talks.

1012
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no Trump is. Whatever you can say

1013
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: about Trump.

1014
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: He's definitely a weird guy in his own right, but

1015
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: he's a very social person. He was a socialite for

1016
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: many years. He's met a lot of people. He has

1017
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: to know Elon is a total weirdough and yet you know,

1018
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: for some reason, it doesn't seem to run rub him

1019
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: the wrong way, where anybody else who treated Trump like

1020
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: this would just never get away with it. At a

1021
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: policy level, there have been some flags here around some

1022
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: of the latest Doge cuts. Let's go ahead and put

1023
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: this one up on the screen. This was kind of

1024
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: a hilarious plot point.

1025
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: So there was what was it?

1026
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: There were some cuts blind across the board. One of

1027
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 3: them was apparently at a nuclear weapons facility near Amarillo, Texas,

1028
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: where some thirty percent of cuts took place, and the

1029
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 3: nuclear weapons role of those workers and the FEDS who

1030
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: oversee it is some of the most sensitive missions apparently

1031
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: in the US. So after discovering that many of these

1032
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 3: workers who are in something called a probationary period, legally,

1033
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 3: Feds hire people on a probationary period before they convert

1034
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 3: to full time. While you're probationary, you can still be fired,

1035
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: and when you're not, it's just much more legally difficult

1036
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: to fire you. That probationary period can last up to

1037
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: three years. So people understand it's not like they've been

1038
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 3: disciplinary place, it's just that they're more newer entrants. So anyway,

1039
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 3: the Trump administration just fired across the board all probationary employees,

1040
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: but apparently they have reversed it for these twenty eight

1041
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 3: employees who are in charge of the nuclear weapons facility.

1042
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: Also for people who don't know the nuclear weapons are

1043
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: overseen by the Energy Department, which I've always found very

1044
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: interesting that I forget exactly when it happened. But we

1045
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: decided to take away that authority, specifically from the Pentagon

1046
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 3: and turn it into a civilian practice to make sure

1047
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: that civilian control command and control over the nuclear chain

1048
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 3: of command always remained ironclad.

1049
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 4: Yes, and the real heads when they're adding up military spending.

1050
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they add that.

1051
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 4: You're right, they add that in because when you're like, oh,

1052
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 4: how do we get to a trillion? When Department of

1053
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 4: Defense is this, it's like, well, because a lot of

1054
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 4: these other departments have spending that is fundamentally military. Yeah,

1055
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 4: you can also be probationary if you get a promotion,

1056
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 4: so you could be ten years in then you get

1057
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 4: a promotion and a raise. It's only like a three

1058
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 4: month stretch, but there are definitely significant numbers of people

1059
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 4: who got a promotion in like December and then found

1060
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 4: themselves like vulnerable to just getting whacked. And I think

1061
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 4: the politics of this can work out for Republicans if

1062
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 4: it's all spectacle like if they're taking if they're doing

1063
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 4: launching a spectacular assault on federal workers, and you've got

1064
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: Democrats defending these federal workers, the public.

1065
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: That's where we're at right now.

1066
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, the public probably sides with the attack on the

1067
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 4: federal workers. But if it goes beyond spectacle and as

1068
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 4: actual substance, which it seems like it is, like firing

1069
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 4: ten percent of federal workers, that's a substantial cut, you

1070
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 4: risk genuinely harming things that voters want to be taken

1071
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 4: care of, like nuclear safety is an excellent example of it.

1072
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 4: Some of the stuff, for instance, getting rid of the

1073
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 4: people whose job it is to make sure that the

1074
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 4: last few birds of an instant endangered species like survive,

1075
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 4: like you're going to you know, you're going to drive

1076
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 4: these number of like animals into extinction. Does public care

1077
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 4: about that? I would say they probably don't. Now the

1078
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 4: next one, if we put this one up on the screen,

1079
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 4: huge cuts at the FAA. So I think we've had

1080
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 4: nine airplane crashes since in the last month or so,

1081
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 4: including military, including the and including the deadliest since like

1082
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 4: two thousand and nine, And to respond onto that by

1083
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 4: cutting hundreds of FAA employees, some of whom say that

1084
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 4: they were directly involved with safety, to me is not

1085
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 4: just like offensive as to me as an American citizen

1086
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 4: who wants to fly and not you know, crash into

1087
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 4: a military helicopter or like just have the plane blow up.

1088
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 4: It's it's also politically moronic because now if and when

1089
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 4: there is another plane crash, you can quite honestly and

1090
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 4: genuinely point to Hey, the way that Trump responded to

1091
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 4: nine plane crashes at the beginning of his term was

1092
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 4: to fire hundreds of FAA ploys. And now there are

1093
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 4: more crashes, and there's also reporting that FAA is allowing

1094
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Speaker 4: SpaceX technicians to come on in and you know they're

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00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 4: gonna they're going to show the FAA how to how

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Speaker 4: to do things, and so you're taking full political control

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Speaker 4: and responsibility for something that could be a huge political liability.

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00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 4: So that's where the spectacle. The spectacle can work for Republicans,

1099
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 4: but if they're if it drifts into substance and they

1100
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Speaker 4: actually destroy the government, which it seems like they're trying

1101
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Speaker 4: to do, that could actually backfire.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree, and I've always warned that about the

1103
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: dough stuff where look usaid sorry, like I just don't

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00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: think anybody will care outside of the people who actually

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00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: work in that or people in Africa. But FAA, I mean,

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00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: I always point to that, And I also tried to

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00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 3: really highlight how quickly public.

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Speaker 1: Opinion can change.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think people really understand how quickly you

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00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: can go from like an eighty percent approval rating to

1111
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: thirty or thirty five.

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Speaker 1: It can happen on a dime, and in the span

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Speaker 1: of nine months.

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Speaker 3: I mean Joe Biden when he took office, he was

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00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 3: like seventy four or seventy five percent. Now maybe it

1116
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 3: was fake, I don't know you could say that. But

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00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 3: by October he's underwater as a result of Afghanistan inflation

1118
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 3: so much, you know, so many different expiro programs. Nate

1119
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 3: Silver actually had a good tweet on this. He goes

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00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: keep in mind Obama went from sixty nine percent approval

1121
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 3: rating to Democrats losing a Senate seat in Massachusetts in

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Speaker 3: the span of.

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Speaker 1: Less than a year. I always try to highlight that.

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Speaker 3: Remember the bush Ford five period, he literally went from

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Speaker 3: winning the popular vote and you know, reaffirming all these

1126
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 3: conservative things about the country to getting absolutely blown out

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00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: eighteen months later in.

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Speaker 1: Public approval by going after Social Security.

1129
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Speaker 3: Exactly, and Iraq obviously, those two things, you know, you

1130
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 3: put them two together. So I'm just always pointing out

1131
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: with Doge and all of this and as triumphal and

1132
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 3: all this can sound really good. Political movements and actors

1133
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: think strategically and in the long term. And these Doge

1134
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: cuts through the FAA is a perfect example of why

1135
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 3: why would you ever allow this to Why would you

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Speaker 3: even give the Democrats the option of if there's another

1137
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: plane crash, you know they're gonna crucify you. That's what

1138
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 3: they did with FEMA under Some Republicans said about FEMA. No,

1139
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 3: I'm talking about with the response to the North Carolina floods.

1140
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: Remember all of a FEMA dollars going to illegal immigrants.

1141
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Speaker 1: That was a real thing. People in North Carolina were

1142
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: really bissed about that. This is the same thing. You

1143
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: don't want that on your head no matter what.

1144
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Speaker 3: So can there be reform? Can there be changed? The

1145
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 3: counter to what I'm saying is like, you people are

1146
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: just talking heads. You guys are idiots. You don't even

1147
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: know what you're talking about. Never bet against elon right.

1148
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: These SpaceX guys, one of them is worth fifteen Maybe,

1149
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

1150
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Speaker 1: That's where it wilsewhere we'll find out. I guess it's

1151
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Speaker 1: a great national experiment.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious for your take on the NIH cuts too,

1153
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 4: because I'm very pro actually, but I feel like this

1154
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 4: is a place where you and the people who are

1155
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 4: supportive of this our internet brained and are like, Okay,

1156
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 4: you're probably right. They're connecting NIH to like funding the

1157
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 4: lab in Wuhan, which they did, and they should be

1158
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 4: criticized for and they should actually, I think, ban all

1159
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: gain and function research, just like Obama did. And then

1160
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 4: they connect NIH to COVID hysteria and lockdowns, and then

1161
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 4: from there they say, well, NIH sucks, let's let's nuke NIH.

1162
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 4: And you throw in this idea that universities are, you know,

1163
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 4: are hogs at the trough with the with the overhead

1164
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 4: that NIH is paying for, and then you convince yourself that, Okay,

1165
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 4: this is actually a good target for us. This is

1166
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 4: a politically ripe target. When I think going after cancer research,

1167
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 4: going after medical research just period is a is a

1168
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 4: huge mistake, just on a kind of human level, because

1169
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Speaker 4: government spending on medical research is the thing that drives

1170
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 4: the advances, and then the corporations, the big farmer comes in.

1171
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 4: They swoop up the innovations, they patent them, they make

1172
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 4: all the money off of it. That system should be

1173
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 4: changed and they should not be able to make the

1174
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 4: amount of money that they're making off it, and it

1175
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 4: should be cheaper for us. But we do want this

1176
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Speaker 4: process happening where scientific advances happen because they save lives.

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Speaker 3: Of course, I just think it's a little bit more reductive.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, they're university thing. For example, Again, I

1179
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 3: grew up in University of Town. My parents work in academia.

1180
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Speaker 3: I think universities are genuinely hogs at the trough. Okay,

1181
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 3: let's look at it this way. Let's look at actual

1182
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: spending by public universities, all of which books are public,

1183
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 3: and look at the rise of what administrative costs. Administrative

1184
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 3: cost accounts for the vast majority of tuition increase. A

1185
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 3: lot of this is DEI you know. And but it's

1186
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: not just that it's just general administrating bloat. So what

1187
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 3: the NIH thing did is what it took it from

1188
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Speaker 3: sixty nine to a cap of fifteen percent. Now I

1189
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: talked about this with Crystal. They're like, oh, well, some

1190
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: of it is all this non administrative cost. But like

1191
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 3: the base assumption within the NIH freeze in terms of

1192
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 3: what is it the administrative cost freeze comes down to

1193
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: you guys are not good stewards of the pack tax money.

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably basically true.

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Speaker 3: Anything, by the way, which attacks the center of gravity

1196
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Speaker 3: of university power, I'm also fine with. So I'm being

1197
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 3: very honest about where I would like to see a

1198
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Speaker 3: complete change in all university financing, which heavily relies on

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Speaker 3: the government, as you said, also begs all of their

1200
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Speaker 3: alumni for money. Plus the taxpayer and student loan is

1201
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 3: like the architecture on top of all of that. But

1202
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: on the public research and medical financing thing, I'm not

1203
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: saying it's all bad, and obviously I think it's a

1204
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: case by case basis, but it's one of those where

1205
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: zoom out. And this is where I really just agree with,

1206
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 3: like with a lot of the RFK critique, It's okay,

1207
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Speaker 3: we've been throwing all this money at all of this

1208
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 3: for literally decades, and actually the rates of disease are increasing,

1209
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 3: and actually fundamentally we have this wrong, which is all

1210
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: of the money goes into creating a quote drug when

1211
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 3: ninety percent of this could probably be solved by changing

1212
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: lifestyle factors. That's a much bigger zoom out thing. Nothing

1213
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Speaker 3: about the NIH will solve that today. But it's about

1214
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Speaker 3: fullhilosophy and allocation of resource fundamentally, like political economy, is

1215
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: the allocation of public resources to what you think is important.

1216
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 3: And so it's about thinking it. For me, at least,

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00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 3: if I were to create like a grand design of

1218
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: what I could, it would be moving dollars away from whatever,

1219
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 3: creating some drug or you know, molecule or whatever that

1220
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: fixed supposedly not even fixed as cancer, because that's not

1221
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: really how it works, as opposed to looking at the

1222
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Speaker 3: lifestyle factors, food, substy whatever that leads to this explosion

1223
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Speaker 3: in cancer over the last fifty years or so.

1224
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Speaker 4: No, i'd love to see them address the lifestyle front.

1225
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Speaker 4: I'm skeptical that they're actually going to do that. I

1226
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 4: don't think you have to destroy the you know, you

1227
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 4: don't have to take the NH money away from universities

1228
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 4: in order to do that. And I think our university

1229
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 4: system it gets a lot of you know, legitimate criticism,

1230
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 4: but what it But it is also in many ways

1231
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 4: our crown, like it is the thing that separates us

1232
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 4: from other countries. And you know, you never know exactly

1233
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 4: how this stuff is going to work out, you know,

1234
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 4: because my wife's going through this now. I was actually

1235
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 4: studying how it is that the diagnosis that she has

1236
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 4: would have been basically a death sentence in the year

1237
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 4: of two thousand and today is extremely treatable and will

1238
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 4: be a hopefully just a bump in the road and

1239
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 4: go through treatment. And it was, you know, in nineteen

1240
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 4: eighty seven, the UCLA hosted a conference where a gen

1241
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 4: and tech scientists spoke and said, we've you know, I

1242
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 4: identified this hurt too protein. I'll get the language of

1243
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 4: it wrong, he said, But he said, but we don't

1244
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 4: know what on earth to do with it. And this

1245
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 4: this guy Slayman, who was at the UCLA on Collegist

1246
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 4: at the time, happened to be at the conference and

1247
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 4: he heard it. He's like, I bet that there's a

1248
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 4: potential like cancer link there. So he gets he reaches

1249
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 4: out to the guy, gets some samples to some against

1250
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 4: the samples he got, and he discovers that, you know,

1251
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 4: all of the in all the biops he's had the

1252
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 4: hurt too, the higher the positivity, the more aggressive the

1253
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Speaker 4: cancer was, and that was the one that was killing

1254
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Speaker 4: so many women. So that he tells the genin tech

1255
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 4: person that the gen tech person goes back to his lab.

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01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 4: It says, who can develop an antibody for this hurt too,

1257
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 4: because if we can actually hit this hurt too target it,

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Speaker 4: we could actually stop this this this cancer from being

1259
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Speaker 4: so deadly. And then genin Tech's like, yep, we're not

1260
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Speaker 4: We're not investing in cancer research anymore because it's not

1261
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 4: it's not commercially viable right now. Too many cancer drugs

1262
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 4: failed FDA and if we fail another one, forget it.

1263
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Speaker 4: So he goes around and he and this guy slam

1264
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 4: it like fights for NIH funding and other ways to

1265
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 4: make sure that this research actually gets done. And it

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Speaker 4: has revolutionized the approach to breast cancer. And now women

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Speaker 4: who twenty years ago were dying from these diagnoses in

1268
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 4: their forties, thirty four fifties up, now we're now we're

1269
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Speaker 4: surviving like almost. I think that's that's huge rights And

1270
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Speaker 4: without the NIH indirect money and without the university system

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Speaker 4: and like what was that conference where they met that

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Speaker 4: was overhead?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, right, well that's part My point is that

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01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 3: there's definitely quote unquote justifiable expenses. I think you would

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01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: probably agree with me though that by and large the

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01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 3: way that the current system is deeply corrupt. Yes, if

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Speaker 3: it's not just about NIH, it's like how many of

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01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 3: these are funded by that?

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Speaker 4: The number of the number of administrators that they've got

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01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 4: now is absurd.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and it hasn't stopped them talking for money right

1282
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Speaker 3: to every every alumni.

1283
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Speaker 1: But do something about.

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Speaker 4: Like just go directly at the administration, like rather than

1285
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 4: like saying that ni H just only is going to

1286
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Speaker 4: choke it off.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a totally fair point. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: it will be very politically uh.

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Speaker 4: And they're going to start taxing endowments. So maybe you're

1290
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 4: in DOWB. Maybe the tax on your endowments, I.

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Speaker 1: Will I'll eat a sock here. If you actually talks

1292
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: tax endowment, I would love to see it.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing I would love to see more than how

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01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 3: about we make that trade. We'll take the endowments, we'll

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Speaker 3: tax it at one hundred percent, we'll take all of that,

1296
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 3: will forgive student loans once, and then we'll get rid

1297
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Speaker 3: of the system.

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Speaker 1: And then fine, we can have as much NIH funding

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Speaker 1: as we want.

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Speaker 3: We'll even take a token amount from these from Harvard's

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Speaker 3: endowment tax, and we'll give it to as long an ihe.

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Speaker 4: Fund, as long as we make college free or affordable again,

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Speaker 4: I don't know free down today free but back to

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01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 4: the nineteen sixties where you can actually like afford it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm absolutely, I'm totally on board.

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Speaker 3: That's part of what I'm saying, though, is that so

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Speaker 3: much of the increase in intuition costs. If you ever

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Speaker 3: look go around, I highly encourage us use I use Claude,

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Speaker 3: you can use chrat, GPT or any of that and

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Speaker 3: peg university tuition inflation to the CPI and see how

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Speaker 3: it's up there with like college textbooks and a few

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Speaker 3: others from.

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Speaker 1: One of the single biggest increases in costs.

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Speaker 3: It's ludicrous, and these administrators and others are getting filthy

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Speaker 3: rich off of it. Hence my general skepticism where I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't like trust a lot of what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: But excellent point right with boot it back putt