1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Also media Welcome Dick it Happened Here, a podcast that 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: has increasingly become about it happening in other places in 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: the world. 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: I'm your host, Via Wong with me his care Hello. 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 3: Hello. 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: So if I'm remember incorrectly, and it is entirely possible, 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: I have forgotten several coups that I've covered. I think 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: this is the second coup that I've covered in six 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: months that feels right. And you know, when we last 10 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 2: left the dumbest coup I had ever seen in my 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: entire life. We were in Bolivia and it was a 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: truly spectacularly stupid coup. That coup ended with the army 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: running away from a bunch of protesters who were just 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: like yelling at them meanly. So that one had a 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: thing I've never seen before, which is the army. The 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: protesters were trying to bring something up to break a barricade, 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: and the army ran away before they could get the 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: like anti barricade thing up to the police barricade. So 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: that was a disaster. Today we are talking about what 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: I having now studied this since it was since it started, 21 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: I genuinely believe this somehow is an even stupider coup 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: than the last one, like I you have to go 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: back to like the CIA coup in Venezuela where everyone 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: just got that like arrested by fishermen to find a 25 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: stupider coup in this it is, and even that one, 26 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: like at least they like landed guys with guns. It 27 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: was over so quick, like yeah, I think the official 28 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 2: number is that the amount of time the martial law 29 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: was technically in effect before the Assembly voted to get 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: rid of it was one hundred and ninety minutes. 31 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: Like people could have like slept through this coup, which 32 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: is really funny, right, I. 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: Made an executive decision, right, and I was like, I'm 34 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: gonna sleep in for one more hour. So I woke 35 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: up at eight am, as at a seven am, and 36 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: I missed like half of it because I was just 37 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: I slept for one hour. So let's let's let's get 38 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: into a bit about what happened here, because you know, 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: as as dumb as this looks now, because it failed, 40 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: this was for people who don't know there was an 41 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: attempted coup in South Korea. I don't know what day 42 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: it's gonna be when I don't know what day it's 43 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: going to be in Korea when this comes out, because yeah, 44 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: but on on Tuesday Day, on our Tuesday in like 45 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: the it was I think ten thirty at night there 46 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: the hideously unpopular president of Korea Sokyel yun, tried to 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: declared martial law June is. His approval rating is like 48 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: half of Joe Biden's approval rating. Like his approval rating 49 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: is like twenty percent. He is staggeringly unpopular. He yeah, 50 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: so yeah. Youn won one election in twenty twenty two, 51 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: very narrowly in a race where neither of the candidates 52 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: were particularly good. And he is a hardline far right dipshit. 53 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: He's you know, I mean, one of his big things. 54 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: He has this unbelievably hardline in North Korea, which is 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: not you know, doing anything productive at all. He's also 56 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 2: you know, and this is like, if you want to 57 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: look at like, who are his twenty percent of supporters left? 58 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: He was the guy of the unbelievably unhinged Korean misogynist movement. 59 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: I guess you would call them, who are some of 60 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: the worst people on earth? I mean, these are guys 61 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: who will just There was a court case recently that 62 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: decided that you can't just like beat someone up for 63 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: having short hair because you think they're a feminist like that. 64 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: That's the kind of like unhinged misogynists that we're dealing with. 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: That's that's Yuan's base. However, com a couple of things 66 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: have happened since then. One is that he's racked by 67 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: like a thousand scandals. Everyone in his in his cabinet 68 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: keeps getting impeached for doing corruption. There are so many 69 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: different corruption scandals with him going on right now that 70 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: I was considering like reading out a list of all 71 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: of them as a joke, but it's too long. One 72 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: of the important ones is that he was like basically 73 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: doing like a pay for play thing to like fuck 74 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: with his his own parties primary process nice and this 75 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: has pissed off basically his entire party, which is great, 76 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: which is exactly the thing you want to be doing 77 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: right before you would take the stage of coup is 78 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: piss off your own political party. So all right, let's 79 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 2: get to the coup. He has major problem with One 80 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: of his very major problems is that he hasn't been 81 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: able to do anything basically since he's been in power. 82 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: And the reason he hasn't been able to do anything. 83 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: Is that his first sort of like off election was 84 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: this unbelievably crushing electoral defeat for his party. The National Assembly, 85 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: which is their like parliament, is just straight up controlled 86 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: by the opposition democratic like Liberal well okay, let me 87 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: be very cific about this is controlled by the opposition 88 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 2: Democratic Party, who are the sort of like Korean Liberal 89 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: Party and also a bunch of like minor allied opposition parties, 90 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: and they keep on again impeaching all of his cabinet members, 91 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: which is very funny. You know, he was trying to 92 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: get a budget through and the budget got eviscerated and 93 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: he hasn't been able to do it. So he's been 94 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 2: very very angry and very frustrated, and so his plan 95 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: apparently to deal with this was just to knock out 96 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: the National Assembly. 97 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: This is so funny because like, because of who I am, 98 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 3: I was talking about this at the bar last night, 99 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: just completely insunderable. And the one thing I couldn't put 100 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: together is like what his exact motivation was besides like 101 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: rooting out like political enemies. No one knows that he 102 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 3: like labeled us like quote unquote anti communist, right, but 103 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: let's like we were talking about like how funny this 104 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: all is, and like I still can't quite understand, like 105 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: why he did this? 106 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: No one news like this, this is Jenny, whyey, Nobody 107 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: has any idea why the fuck he thought this would work? 108 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: Like the best thesis and we'll get to this a bit. 109 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: The best thesis that I've seen is that she wanted 110 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 2: to do this because he was pissed off with the 111 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 2: fact that he hasn't literally been able to do anything 112 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: his entire time in office, because he's really mad at 113 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 2: the National Assembly and also his own party, And it's. 114 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: So funny to do that and then have that be 115 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: underscored by them like be like, oh no, actually, you 116 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 3: can't do a coup. No, no, thank you, nice try 117 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: legally you cannot kou. 118 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: Me yeah, Like the I think the semi serious part 119 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: of this is that it doesn't make any sense to 120 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: me how this could have been done if there also 121 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: wasn't a faction of the Korean military that wanted this. Right, 122 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: the Korean military is I mean, most of Korea's history 123 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 2: still to this day, but I think it's still a 124 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: majority of the amount of time South Korea has been 125 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: in existence has been under military dictatorships of various kinds. 126 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: There's been a whole bunch of them. They were staggeringly hideous. 127 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: They killed unbelievable numbers of people, they tortured unbelievable numbers 128 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: of people. They were fully backed by the United States. 129 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: And the military has also always had this real chip 130 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: on its shoulder about sort of liberal civilian politicians. And 131 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 2: they have their version of like all of the conspiracy 132 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: things that we have about how all democratsic communists, how 133 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: they're all like secretly yea et cetera, et cetera. So 134 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: this is like they're all secretly North Korea supporters, et cetera, 135 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: et cetera. 136 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 3: Right, And this is something I was also seeing yesterday 137 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: people being like, oh wow, when did South Korea become 138 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: North Korea? And they're like, oh my god, that's so 139 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: that's like what a weird like orientalist racist comment. This 140 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: is this is the most South Korean thing to ever happen. 141 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like military coup and then military coup 142 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: being overturned by protesters is the single most South Korean 143 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: thing ever, right, Like, this is just how South Korean 144 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: history has been. 145 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: Having the fucking assembly you have to like break in 146 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: in the middle of the night to vote. Yeah, it's 147 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: so funny. 148 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: It's just it's Yeah, we're gonna get to the actual 149 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: details of it a second, but I want to I 150 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: want to go back to what was actually in this 151 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: declaration of martial laws. So the Korean constitution does let 152 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: you declare martial law, but you're only supposed to do wait, 153 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: if there's like a war going on or like. 154 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: If there's like an actual crisis happening. 155 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of just like I'm mad I can't pass 156 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: my budget, which she used to be. What was happening here? 157 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: You feel bad on a Monday night and you're like, oh, 158 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: I guess I'll dular martial law. 159 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, I'm going to read some I'm going 160 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: to read a thing about what was going on here, 161 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: about how unhinged. This was from Hawkura, which is the 162 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: Korean media outlet. Quote Commander park Ensou announced quote martial 163 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: law Command Proclamation number one, which, by the way, that's 164 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: how you know you're dealing with people who have done 165 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: this before. When when when they start doing their like 166 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: decree number one, Decree number two. 167 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that. 168 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: That is an that is an experience the side of 169 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: like very very experienced military coup people announced Martial Law 170 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: Command Proclamation number one based on the contents of prohibiting 171 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: all political activities of the National Assembly and local assemblies. 172 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: The proclamation also included contents that controlled the press and 173 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 2: publications and prohibited citizens assemblies and demonstrations, as well as 174 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: strikes and workstopages by workers. It is also notable that 175 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: it included the content quote all medical personnel, including residents 176 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 2: who are on strike who have left the medical field 177 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: must return to their original work within forty eight hours 178 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: and work faithfully, and violations will be published in accordance 179 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: with the Martial Law Act. Now it's important to note 180 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: here if the thing you're trying to do is impose 181 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: martial law on Korea according to the constitution, and obviously 182 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: if you're in the state where you're opposing martial law, 183 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: the law has kind of got out the window. But 184 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: you can't get rid of the National Assembly. That is 185 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: not a thing that martial law allows you to do. 186 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: And in fact, very explicitly in the Korean Constitution it 187 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: says that like the National Assembly can't be gotten rid 188 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: of by martial law. So this suggests to me that, yeah, 189 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: this was something that was also being sort of spearheaded 190 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: by parts of the Korean military. Because if you're not 191 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: someone in the army who has their own interest in 192 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: doing a coup, and someone asks you to just like 193 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: overthrow the parliament, which is a thing that they're not 194 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 2: allowed to do, you just say no. Which also makes 195 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: the failure of this and how un believably stupidly it 196 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: was all put together even more baffling, right, because if 197 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: we assume that parts of the cliqus in the army 198 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: had to have been involved with this, and like we 199 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: know and this only FPR talks about Yun is like 200 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: fucked right. There's no way he's holding onto power. He's 201 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: screwed and he's gonna be That will make him the 202 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: second Korean president in seven years to be ran out 203 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: by mass protests and dream the last set of politicians 204 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: who were getting read out by mass protests. The army 205 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: actually started drafting like procedures for how they were going 206 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: to do a military takeover to like to knock out 207 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: the protests, and they never did it. But this has 208 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: been a thing that's been in the background for a 209 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: long time, and the liberal the liberal establishment has been 210 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: talking about how the right wants to bring back military 211 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: rule for ages. This is a situation that in some 212 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 2: ways is similar to Brazil, where the Right has always 213 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: been a sort of like, we like military rule kind 214 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: of thing, but nobody actually seriously thought they would do 215 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: it until they did. And you know, I'm gonna read 216 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: one more thing before we go to ads here, which 217 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: is he claimed that the National Assembly was quote the 218 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: mastermind behind the downfall of the country, which, okay, that's 219 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 2: pretty normal coup stuff, quote monsters and quote anti state 220 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: forces seeking to overthrow the system. Now again, he has 221 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: just described the National Assembly, which is the Korean parliament 222 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: as quote anti state forces seeking to overthrow the system, 223 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: which now gives us the specter of the Anarco Parliament. 224 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 3: I do wonder how much of this type of stuff 225 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: is influenced, like by Trump's victory and like the enemy 226 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: within rhetoric. I'm not sure how much influence Trump has. 227 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 3: I know he has a degree of influence like pop 228 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 3: culture wise in like Japan, I'm not sure of his 229 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 3: influence in South Korea, but like in terms of just 230 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: like geopolitics, like that's very similar to the type of 231 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: like deep state enemy within rhetoric that like Trump used 232 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: to success. Yeah, I not like tie everything back to America, 233 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: but like. 234 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 2: This like subversive shit is like stuff that you can 235 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: trace back to, like the original dictatorship. Right, Like this 236 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: is a very very old, long running thing in Korean politics. Okay, 237 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: we will get to the coup after I guess we 238 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: get to a faction that didn't back the coup, which 239 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: is the Korean capitalist class. So here are some ads. 240 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: Salute to our comrades. 241 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: We are back now. I will say it is true 242 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: that this whole thing folded so quickly that we'd never 243 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: really got a chance to see how the Korean capitalist 244 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: class would have reacted, other than the fact that all 245 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: of the newspapers immediately were like, what the fuck are 246 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: you doing? So it's also worth noting if you're trying 247 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: to do a coup, right, there are four things that 248 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: you need to do. You need to arrest your senior 249 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: opposition political figures. You need to seize the radio stations 250 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: that this includes, you know today like newspapers, TV stations. 251 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 3: Podcasts obviously, you know streamers, you know. 252 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're a vital part of the media infrastructure 253 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: that must be controlled. 254 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: I show Speed or whatever his name is he has 255 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: to come under your control. You gotta get Aiden Ross 256 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: locked in the cage fast fast. 257 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: I think Speed would have fucking gone just gone sicko 258 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: mode on their special forces guys, given how just like 259 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: unbelievably their asses got kicked. You know, you have to 260 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: seize the airports and you have to take the major 261 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: government buildings. Right, So how many of these did this 262 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 2: coup manage to do? 263 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: They did like zero? 264 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: Right, They sort of kind of took most of the 265 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: National Assembly. Yeah, but that last and what like an hour? Yeah, yeah, 266 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: well we'll get to that in a second. So it 267 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: seems like what we have reporting from the Democratic Party 268 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: of Korea. They claim that the military attempted to arrest 269 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: the head of the National Assembly, the head of the 270 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: Democratic Party, and then also the head of the PPP, 271 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: which is People's Power Party, which is Yun's own party. 272 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 2: So he tried to have the head of his own 273 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: party arrested Korean special forces and it didn't work because 274 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: none of them were at their offices. 275 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: It's so funny because they kept putting out a restaurans 276 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: for like like the opposition party, his own party, and 277 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: the Assembly was like hyer and. 278 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: You know, they did legitimately shut down some news outlets 279 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: and that was it. You know, that was sort of genuine. 280 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: I saw reporters like fucking like fighting with the military 281 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: in the streets. It was sick. 282 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this is why this is such a bad idea, right, 283 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: Like in the words of a football commentator whose name 284 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm forgetting right now, who had the greatest cast light 285 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: at all of human history. 286 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: Oh, no, disaster, what a bad idea? Like I okay, 287 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: just just from the logistics of this, right pretty up 288 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: on the list of countries you don't want to try 289 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: to hold by by military force is South Korea, and 290 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: there's a lot of reasons for this one. You know, 291 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: you're dealing with like one of the largest jushu bases 292 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: in the world. The other thing is like this is 293 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: an entire country of protesters and capitalist protesters. 294 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: Very scary. 295 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: Well, but like like everyone fucking like fucking everyone in 296 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: this country either like was a protester when they were 297 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: a fucking kid, or was one now to the extent 298 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: were like liberal members of parliament know how to build barricades. 299 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: It's so cool. 300 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: This actually mattered enormously, Like like fucking guys who are 301 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: just like random aids where and there are videos of 302 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: this of the of like just like random staffer guys 303 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: like holding barricades from like against like paratrooper units and 304 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: like like just random staffers like shooting fire extinguishers at 305 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: armored special forces units. Like can you fucking imagine that 306 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: shit in the US? 307 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 3: Like it was very cool to see. 308 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like this is this is why this is 309 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: such a terrible idea because everyone has a whole bunch 310 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: of institutional memory and experience of this, right, not just 311 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: because you know the Democratic Party, right, which is which 312 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: is the party that this was largely targeted at most 313 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: of Like the elder statesmen of this party used to 314 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: be Koreans like student protesters, Like they're all veterans of 315 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: the campaigns that brought down the Milton government. And it's 316 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: not just that there's like a there's a memory of it. 317 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: It's like there are a protests outside the National Assembly 318 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: like every fucking day, right, Like again, the last time 319 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: they brought down a prime minister with mass protest was 320 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: seven years ago. This is a whole country of people 321 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: who know how to do this shit, and for some 322 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: reason these idiots were like, we have no popular support whatsoever, 323 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: and we're just gonna be able to like roll over 324 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: this entire country in one night. So I think the 325 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: plan was to hold the National Assembly and prevent the 326 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: National Assembly from convening so that there was nobody who 327 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: could override the martial law order. 328 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds pretty basic, right, just to keep them 329 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: out of the building so that they can't do anything. 330 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. So they failed, easy, right? 331 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: Oh oh no, they failed. 332 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the thing the problem here again is that 333 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: you're dealing with an entire country that has been doing 334 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: this for fucking ages. Right, So they do this at 335 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: like ten thirty at night, and immediately what happens is 336 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: just like a bunch of drug guys in bars like 337 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: show up to the National Assembly. Like the moment I 338 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: knew it was doomed, was there. I was reading in 339 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: the New York Times they had an interview with this 340 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: guy who showed up. This is again the part I'm 341 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: not talking about this being a country protesters like these 342 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 2: guys aren't like leftists like revolutionaries, right. This Like one 343 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: of the guys they were talking to the New York 344 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: Times like their journals on the ground, pulls over a 345 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 2: random guy and he's a sixty year old real estate agent. Right, 346 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: this is a guy who should be like, this should 347 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: be the base of a military coup. Right, this is 348 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 2: a sixty year old man who doesn't real estate it 349 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: and he heard about this and immediately his his life 350 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: was quote this is the end. So he drove for 351 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: a fucking hour at like one in the morning to 352 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: show up to the National Assembly to go fight the army. 353 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: There was just no way this is good to work. 354 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: And so people, even though it's really late up, people 355 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: just flood out. And suddenly there's all of these protesters 356 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: in front of the National Assembly and they're doing shit 357 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 2: like there's this unbelievable video of this soldier like tries 358 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 2: to take a guy's phone and this guy has some 359 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 2: kind of emrtial arts trading. It just grabs his arm 360 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 2: and just spins him around, the coolest thing. And the 361 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: guy's like, so I'm just like, well, fuck, guess I'm 362 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: not dealing with this shit. 363 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: And there was such like a resignation. Yeah, in the 364 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 3: movements of that military officer would be like it's just like, well, shit, 365 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: we could keep fighting, but why like what's the point, 366 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 3: Like why am I out here? It's midnight, I should 367 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: be in bed. What's going on? 368 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: And like and part of this too also and this 369 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 2: is this is a smart decision by someone, is that 370 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: these guys weren't issued with actual bullets. So when I 371 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: say these guys and this is this is the you know, 372 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: the actual loving part about this is that these were 373 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 2: largely Korean paratrooper units, and Korean paratrooper units are some 374 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 2: of the most unhinged like fascist troops in the entire world. Like, 375 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: these are people who didn't just fight in the Korean War. 376 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: A bunch of these guys fought in Vietnam. Like on 377 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: the American side, they are notorious as the people who 378 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 2: the military has always used to sort of put down protests. 379 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: One of the most famous examples of this is the 380 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: Guandara uprising in nineteen eighty. This was a pro democracy 381 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: uprising after one of the various stages of insane military 382 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: coups stuff was going on in South Korean nineteen eighty 383 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: and there's a large democratic uprising from sort of students 384 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: and workers. There's a bunch of strikes. They take this area, 385 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 2: and the paratroopers come and shoot them all. They killed 386 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: probably several thousand people and a lot of the paratrooper 387 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 2: units that were deployed to take the National Assembly were 388 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 2: literally the same units that were sent into crushes uprising 389 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty, So this was in some ways very 390 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: very scary, right because these are like, again, these are 391 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: the units that were sent in to shoot a bunch 392 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: of fucking civilians in the streets in order to keep 393 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: military rule intact. However, this time these para units just 394 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: got their shitthanded to them. So it's sort of unclear 395 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: exactly what was going on in the National Assembly. It 396 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: seemed like some National Assembly members were still there, but somehow, 397 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: and we don't part of how this happened, which is 398 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: protesters were just there's a video of I think it 399 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 2: was like the opposition leader the protesters like pushed them 400 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: up over a fence so he could break into the 401 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: National Assembly and get past the military barricades. Like one 402 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety lawmakers somehow like got into the National 403 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: Assembly and barricaded themselves in. 404 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: This also shows a level of like dedication. Yeah that 405 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: I suspect none of none of our lawmakers would do. No, 406 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 3: they're not gonna they're not gonna break into the capital 407 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: when it's surrounded by military guard. 408 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: You know, we had this with January sixth, right, and 409 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 2: like what what what did our congress people do dream 410 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 2: January sixth? They all ran and hid. 411 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 3: I mean these are slightly different circumstances. 412 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is true, but like but like you know, okay, 413 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: so if if you look at there's been a lot 414 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: of shit talking of the of the American people's willingness 415 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: to protest and stuff in the light of like watching 416 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: the Korean people overturn this coup in like three hours. 417 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: And I will point out that in twenty twenty, this 418 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: was this was literally four years ago. Like we put 419 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: the President of the United States in a bunker. People 420 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: fought the Secret Service hand to hand outside the gates 421 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: of the White House. Like the police in this country 422 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: lost control of the centers of several major American cities. 423 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 2: So like Americans will fight, right, but can you imagine 424 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 2: like Nancy Pelosi or like like Chuck Schumer or whoever 425 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: was around, like trying to set up like like setting 426 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: up barricades to stop the army from like marching into 427 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: Like no, it's unreal. And these were good barricades too, 428 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: These were very well constructed barricades. These were barricades that 429 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: like are better than a lot of barricades I've seen 430 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: set up by protesters over the like can the US 431 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: over the last few years. And the consequence of this 432 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: was that the National Assembly just voted for the cup 433 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: to be over, because they can just vote to say 434 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 2: that the martial law is over. And then the military 435 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: kind of was just like, well shit and just kind 436 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: of left. 437 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: I mean they waited in the wings for a little bit. Yeah, 438 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 3: and we were all curious to see what the president 439 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 3: was gonna do after this. Emily was like, uh, nice, 440 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 3: try sir, and I guess we will talk about that 441 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 3: after another message from these ads. 442 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: And we are so back. We are so back. And it 443 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: has never been more over for President UNI. That is true, 444 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 2: it has never been more over. And so part of 445 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: the weird part about this is that you just like 446 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: vanishes for most of this, Like we don't hear from 447 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: him until like the morning when he announces that he's 448 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: going to roll back the martial law thing. But he 449 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: needs his cabinet there to do the vote, so he's 450 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: gonna do it later. I don't know. But the troops 451 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: have already all pulled out by this point. And like 452 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: they go back to their barracks after the National Assembly, 453 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: it is like what the fuck. So there's been a 454 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: lot of hay made about how one hundred and ninety 455 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: members of the National Assembly showed up and every single 456 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: one of them voted to end martial law, and like 457 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: that's cool. But I've seen a lot of people be like, oh, 458 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 2: look at how democratic the PPP, which is the right 459 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: wing party that UN's a part of, is from, Like 460 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: they voted to do it, but like, okay, yes it was, 461 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: this was a unanimous vote. I need everyone to understand 462 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 2: that there are three hundred members of the National Assembly 463 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: and that means one hundred and ten of them didn't 464 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: show up, and that of the people who showed up, 465 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: there were only eighteen members. Yeah, of the PPP who 466 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: showed up to this now, and part of that, like 467 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: it is true. It is. It was a bit difficult 468 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 2: to get through the fucking military occupation bit with paratroopers, 469 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 2: but everyone else you to have managed to, so you know, 470 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: and you AND's own party also just hates him because again, 471 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: like one of the scandals he's going down for is 472 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: like fucking with their primaries and like getting a bunch 473 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: of people who had safe seats like losing their safe 474 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: seats so he could put his guys in. And again 475 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: he also tried to arrest the head of his own parties. 476 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: So like, these people don't like him for very immediate 477 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: person or reason. Is not because the PPP is somehow 478 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 2: like a party more committed to democracy than the Republican 479 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 2: Party is here like no, these people all suck, Like, 480 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: oh god. But this leaves us with the aftermath of this, 481 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 2: and the first thing I want to kind of go 482 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: over is what the fuck were they doing? Because again, 483 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 2: if you look at the sequence of events here, right, 484 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 2: there's this coup, right, the martial law goes into effect, 485 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: the army backs it and tries to occupy the National Assembly, 486 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: but then the National Assembly votes that the martial law 487 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: is over, and then the army just leaves. Now, what 488 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: if you go back to remember when I was talking 489 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: about the beginning of this, right, seizing the National Assembly 490 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: is not something you were allowed to do when at 491 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: a state of emergency or a martial law in position, Right, 492 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: that's something explicitly the army is banned from doing. They 493 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: did it anyways, which means that like probably like a 494 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: bunch of generals are also going to prison for this. 495 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: But then they also immediately backed down when it became 496 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 2: clear that you know, they were going to there was 497 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 2: going to be resistance, and that if they were going 498 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: to try to stop this, they were either wouldn't have 499 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: to beat the shit out of or just like actually 500 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: shoot a bunch of lawmakers in the National Assembly. And 501 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: I understand that that's a bad idea, and I get 502 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 2: why these people didn't want to do that, just put 503 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: like from the their own things politically. But if if 504 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: you weren't willing to do that, why did you do 505 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 2: this in the first place? Like, how did you think 506 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: this was gonna go? Like the only thing I could 507 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: think of was that they thought they could just should have. 508 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: I thought it was ten thirty at night, we can 509 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: just shock and awe everyone. Yeah, we'll just roll them over. 510 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: But like, do you know what country you were in? 511 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's a massivenst calculation. That's what makes 512 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: this the worst coup since Bolivia. I think it's worse 513 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: in Bolivia, Oh absolutely, because it shows a complete like 514 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 3: disconnection from understanding the country that you're in. 515 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 2: What were they doing? 516 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the willingness of the people to like get 517 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: mobilized at ten thirty. Yeah, and the willingness of your 518 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: own lawmakers to try to put like some level of 519 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 3: resistance to this, even if it's not like physically fighting 520 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: the army, which someone that ended up doing. 521 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: Which they did. They fought the army, Like, ah, what 522 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: a world. And also with Bolivia too, you know, there's okay, 523 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 2: so a with Bolivia, there's a lot of debate over 524 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: where that coup is real or not. I lean towards 525 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: it was. There's a lot of people think he was staged. 526 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: But also if it wasn't stage, the excuse they have 527 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 2: is that the general who was leading it was about 528 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 2: to get fired, so he just had to go, right. 529 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 2: It's like, well, yeah, okay, it looked like a completely 530 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: half cocked coup because it was they just they had 531 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: to go before he got fired. This one, there was 532 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: no time pressure. He could have just done this whenever 533 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: with better planning. And I don't know, it's all very 534 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: very deeply weird in terms of what's happening next. I mean, 535 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: Yun was finished anyways, Like he again, he had a 536 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: twenty percent of proof of rating going into this. Coming 537 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: out of this, there's immediately a democratic party is trying 538 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: to impeach him, like a bunch of the PPP, who's 539 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: again supposed to be his party, are also going along 540 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: with it because they hate him. There was some very 541 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 2: funny comments from PPP guys who were like his supporters, 542 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 2: who were like, well he literally one of them said 543 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: that he did this thing. Has anyone thought about like 544 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 2: the pressure of burden placed on him, maybe someone should 545 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 2: have gotten to talk to him. He did this because he 546 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: was lonely, which is the most insane thing I've ever 547 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 2: heard of my life. Like, he just he just tried 548 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 2: to Aren't you that this guy get a coup because 549 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: he was lonely? 550 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 3: What the fuck? It's the in cell evolution. It's finally 551 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 3: happening in South Korea. 552 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like he is going to get impeached. The 553 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 2: only way he's not going to get impeached is if 554 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: the judiciary steps had to save him. And I can't 555 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: imagine them trying it. After again, he just tried to 556 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: do a coup. He's going to prison, Like probably his 557 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: defense secretary is going to prison, like Confesse Minister's going 558 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: to prison. Probably a bunch of military guys are going 559 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: to prison. Like this is it's so funny. They have 560 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 2: just effectively annihilated their own political power for a generation. 561 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: Like this faction of people who have been running the 562 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 2: country is just gone. I mean they'll still be the PPP, right, 563 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: this will be like conservatives, but like they just have 564 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: obliterated themselves in maybe the most spectacular fashion I have 565 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: ever seen. And you know what happens when they were 566 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 2: sort of unclear? Is it right now? We're recording this Wednesday, Yeah, 567 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 2: Wednesday at like ten am. Yeah, so it's it's unclear 568 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 2: exactly what's gonna happen in the time between when this 569 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 2: when we record this and when this goes out, but 570 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: unis finished. This is it's pretty ver Yeah, And I'm 571 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: I'm hoping that we see a serious attempt to actually 572 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: like deal with the fact that the army is ran 573 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: by a bunch of people who tried to do a coup. 574 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: We won't we might well, no, like it, here's the 575 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: thing in the US, absolutely not South Korea. Maybe there's 576 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: a chance there's like a there is a slight chance 577 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: that people get purged from this, right and in a 578 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: similar way to like Lula kind of purging some of 579 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: the army. 580 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: My South Korea Does Good Things card is already full 581 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 3: up because of yesterday. 582 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: That's true. 583 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 3: I can't imagine they're gonna do more because it's South Korea. 584 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: Well, I will also say, like one of the things 585 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: that's happening is Korea is like major trade union Federation 586 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: is like doing a general strike until until the impeachment happens. 587 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: So you know, there is a lot of pressure to 588 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: clean house here. And like a lot of Korean liberalism 589 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: is based on the sort of mythos of like of 590 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: the student protesters, and like the protesters, you brought down 591 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: the military dictatorship and trying to do a military coup 592 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: and immediately failing is like the best possible thing you 593 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: could have done for them. The consequences of this for 594 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: you and are going to be extremely bad. I hope 595 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 2: we get a better Korea out of this. I hope 596 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: this sort of starts to stem the tide of the 597 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: unhinged right wing surge that's been happening there for a 598 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: while now. 599 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 3: It'd be nice that this was like the tip of 600 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 3: the bell curve. Yeah, in the global far right takeover. Yeah, 601 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 3: I mean it's wow, it went bad. I may every 602 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 3: single right wing attempt to do this, go this badly, 603 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: because good lord, what a heartwarming tale. Yep. Well that's 604 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: that's been it for us today. You're at It could 605 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: happen here. Tune in tomorrow for more exciting tales of 606 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 3: political collapse. 607 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and quite quite possibly, quite possibly, this is going 608 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: to happen to you too. And I want everyone to 609 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: understand that, in terms of military ques in the last 610 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: six months, the protesters are two to zero and the 611 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 2: armies zero and two. 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