1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to our casual 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: Friday chat. I'm Holly Frying. I'm Tray p V. Wilson. 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: So the first thing we talked about this week was 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Canary Row in the Monterey area and how the thing 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: it is today references the thing it used to be, 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: but the fishing and canning industry there is is not 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: what's driving it anymore. Yeah. Something that this reminded me 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: of from the very beginning, UM, was how it wasn't 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: called Canary Row when the book Canary Row was written, correct, 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: And it reminded me of the House of the Seven 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: Gables in Salem, Massachusetts, UM, which which you and I 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: have been to and recorded some videos out a while back, 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: which was not known as the House of the Seven 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Gables and did not have seven gables when that book 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: was written, but as part of a settlement houses fundraising efforts, UM, 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: like the the house came to reflect what had been 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: depicted in fiction. Yeah, it's interesting, Um, it's to me, 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: it's I'm very fascinated by this idea that um Cannery 20 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: Row is a historic district, but like it's not as 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: though those canaries still exist, although the buildings still do. 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: It's a little bit different than like, this is a 23 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: historic home. We have preserved it and it's well restored 24 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: it to the way it once was, which is both 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: a departure from what I would normally expect from something, 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: uh that is so steeped in history. But also there's 27 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: the part of me that admires that what could have 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: become kind of like a dead space of you know, 29 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: abandoned businesses became a thriving thing that still references it's past. 30 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: Just it evolved in a in a way that it 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: could sustain itself. Yeah. Yeah, so many places I've had 32 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: to go through that kind of a trajectory for for 33 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: so many reasons. Um, Like when I grew up, the 34 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: nearest city to us was Winston Salem, UM, which of 35 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: course had a lot of cigarette and tobacco uh facilities, 36 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: many of which have been converted into various other things. 37 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: Um now that cigarettes and tobacco are a much smaller 38 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: industry than they were, uh, just even a couple of 39 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: decades ago. Yeah, it's super interesting. Have you ever been 40 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: out to Monterey? I have not. Um, it's it is 41 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: a really interesting mix because it's smaller than I expected. 42 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: For some reason, when I think of places with like 43 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: warehouses and like village settlements that have been moved to 44 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: various places, like I think a few miles of stretch, 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: but it's not. It's way more compacted than that. Um 46 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: I mentioned in the episode that like from the place 47 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: at Point Alone is where the Chinese fishing village was, 48 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: which sounds like it was like a really impressive interesting 49 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: place on its own because they built their homes like 50 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: right up to the water and sometimes overhanging the water. 51 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: To the place it got moved down the beach is 52 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: just not a far walk at all. Um. So the 53 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: idea of it being considered a move even almost seems 54 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: strange where you like but you just walked up the 55 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: beach because they're very close together. But uh, that was 56 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: another thing that we I didn't really get into. There 57 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: was sort of a mini tourism industry that started before 58 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: even um Hotel del Monty was built, which is that 59 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: because these Chinese fishing villages were so unique architecturally and 60 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: some of it was shanty town and some of it, 61 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: but some of it stood for a really long time 62 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: and they were in these strange what seemed very strange 63 00:03:54,760 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: to UM, you know, European descendant locals, these structures that 64 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: were built out over the water and people could literally 65 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: just like pull their boats up and get in and 66 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: out of the boat from their house. There were sometimes 67 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: people that would come in, like from San Francisco and 68 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: just take their carriage on a ride down through the 69 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: very you know, narrow streets of this Chinese village because 70 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: it was like this mini tourism thing where they would 71 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: just be curious, looky loose about how other people lived, 72 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: which is a whole interesting thing, especially when you consider 73 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: that almost no evidence of those people in those villages remains. Yeah. 74 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: I think we mentioned this in the episode about the 75 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: San Francisco fire UM, but there is an episode of 76 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: the podcast Invisible Um about the Chinese community's rebuilding of 77 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: Chinatown that touches on some of those same themes about 78 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: how UM tourists are just kind of coming to gawk 79 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: at the Chinese neighborhood and what that meant for the 80 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: people who live there in the rebuilding process. Yeah, it's 81 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: very very interesting. It's it's also interesting looking even at 82 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: different reference materials. There are some that kind of painted 83 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: almost like the Chinese and Chinese American inhabitants of the 84 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: Monterey area had an easier time in terms of dealing 85 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: with racism than the Chinese community in the city, for example, 86 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, but ultimately they still had to deal 87 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: with racist attitudes, people complaining about them, undoubtedly professional jealousy 88 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: over how well they were able to manage their fishing business. Um, 89 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: so it is I'm like, is this a rose colored 90 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: glasses situation or was it to some degree a little 91 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: bit better there? And I don't honestly know, I have 92 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: not I don't feel like I have a wide enough 93 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: data set to feel like I can confidently say one 94 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: way or the other. But it is something, especially if 95 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: any of our listeners go looking for more information, to 96 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: take into account that those accounts, all of them, are written, 97 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: for the most part um through the lens of the 98 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: white person's experience and not the experience of the people 99 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: living in that fishing village, who probably had a much 100 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: different point of view, in a much different perception of 101 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: of how things were and how they were treated. But 102 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: so prosperous. I wish we still had more evidence of that. 103 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: We've talked about that to the archaeology of San Francisco 104 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: and how it's only getting harder and harder and harder 105 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: to find historical evidence, particularly of the Asian immigrants who 106 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: came and really made that part of the California coast 107 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 1: what it is today. So our second episode this week 108 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: was my interview with John Dryden, who makes Too Mumbay, 109 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: which is a really interesting podcast and if you're into 110 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: historical fiction, I think you would probably really enjoy it. 111 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: It is extremely compelling, as I mentioned in the course 112 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: of that interview, when I first started listening to it, 113 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: um because in in full disclosure, it was a project 114 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: that when it came over to my heart, I kind 115 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: of helped ussure it into being republished on our side, 116 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: so I got to hear it all kind of before 117 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: it got wide release, and I remember just being sort 118 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: of wowed by how um, how rich an experience it 119 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: is in audio format, and I think people would really 120 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: be into it. What's interesting is that it is full 121 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: of of intrigues and uh there's a lot of talk 122 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: as as John and I mentioned, of uprising and uh, 123 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, kind of power shifts going on within that world, 124 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: which is again obviously fictional, and and sort of fantastical. Um, 125 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: but as as Tracy and I have been talking about 126 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: it and are programming for this week, it feels very 127 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: weird to talk about something like that and not talk 128 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more about current events because they're everyone's mind. 129 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: It honestly feels weird and a little like odd and 130 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: and wrong to talk about anything else and to sit 131 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: here and do our jobs, even though are our jobs 132 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: and they they have meaning in their own way. Um. Yeah, 133 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: it's a strange time where everything feels sort of inconsequential 134 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: unless we're dealing with the multitude of problems facing us 135 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: at the moment, right right, well, and you were out 136 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: last week. Um, Normally we try to be in a 137 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: place where when we record something it is like the 138 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: following week's episodes at the earliest. Because you were out 139 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: last week. When Monday rolled around with the Canary Row 140 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: episode that had already been recorded two weeks ago, basically 141 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: we had already recorded the behind the scenes for it 142 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, right after we were recorded it. Um. 143 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: I got to work on Monday morning to do the 144 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: q A on that episode, and I that it was 145 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: the biggest disparity between the tone of the episode that 146 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: was coming out and what was happening in the world 147 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: that I think I have ever experienced in my time 148 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: working on the show. Um, and you and I had 149 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: this conversation of like, should we acknowledged it would like 150 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: add on some kind of announcement like we couldn't. We 151 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: had a kind of the head scratching conversation about how 152 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: to handle it because it just really felt like, uh, 153 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: incongruous between what the show was going to say on 154 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: Monday and what the United States was doing on Monday 155 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: and what the response worldwide has been to what was 156 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: happening in the United States on Monday. Uh did not 157 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: have good answers anything. Yeah, I mean it's interesting. And 158 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: I kind of was like, I don't think anyone is 159 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: going to think like that we are evil for having 160 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: made a show before this happened right like on a 161 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: Monday morning, when like I'm just coming back from literally 162 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: a week of completely like not having any access to 163 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: work stuff. Um, and then like, are amazing editor Casey 164 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: is is busy with his own workload, Like it was 165 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: a going to be a huge weird thing to try 166 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: to add on something that may or may not have 167 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: added value to the episode, and then we also have 168 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: to consider okay, but somebody that discovers this episode in 169 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: two years, will that then be a whole other kind 170 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: of discordant if we have it. So please know that 171 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: if you didn't like how that played out, it's not 172 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: something that we're mindlessly doing. We're making choices and they 173 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: may or may not be the right ones ever, but 174 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: decisions kind of have to get made and sometimes on 175 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: the fly. Um. I had a similar moment completely unrelated 176 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: to our podcast, where I was uh watching television and 177 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: there was an ad for the launch of a new 178 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: game show that clearly was recorded like before the pandemic started, 179 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: before any of this, and it was just so strange 180 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: because it's like news, news, news, what's going on in 181 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: the world right now, Hey, look at all these people 182 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: having a wacky time on a game show. And I 183 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: was like, whoa, this is really weird. But again, it's 184 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: the same thing where they made that show and are 185 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: on a whole other schedule, and sometimes those are harder 186 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: to shift than you might think. Um, it's just it's 187 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: there's I don't think there's any way to get through 188 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: times like this as a human, but also as someone 189 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: who works in media. And and makes things and publishes 190 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: them to know the right path. Yeah, what we ultimately 191 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: decided to do with the Canary Row episode, UM was 192 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: just not to put it on our social media because 193 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: especially social media, felt like that would come off as 194 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: thoughtless and death that there was no possible way we 195 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: could frame it in a social media post where it 196 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: would seem like it meant something. UM. And we had had, 197 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: like we schedule social media stuff ahead of time, and 198 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: we had like a post sandules it for over the 199 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: weekend that was about I think Walt Whitman's birthday or 200 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: something like that. UM. And there were folks on our 201 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: Facebook page who I think I thought that we had 202 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: gotten up on Saturday or Sunday morning and like talk 203 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: about Walt Whitman, And it was really the opposite, Like 204 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: we had scheduled the Walt women thing ahead of time, 205 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: and then I spent the whole weekend not looking at 206 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: work social media almost at all. I didn't even open 207 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: the app on Sunday because I was like focused on 208 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: what was happening in the world and whether my friends 209 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: were safe and whether the people I knew were okay. 210 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 1: Like I was not even thinking about what's on the 211 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: stuff you missed in history class based page. Yeah, And 212 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing, right, I completely understand or 213 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: at least like can appreciate people being angry about things 214 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: that seem very frivolous popping up in their timeline. Um, 215 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't begrudge anybody for being like, 216 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: what the heck are you talking about? Right? Um, but 217 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: it is just when it's like I said, it's it's 218 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: one of the perils of our line of work, Like 219 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,599 Speaker 1: there will always be moments like that where it's like, um, 220 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: well that happened. It was planned because we don't have 221 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: um precognitive abilities when it comes to that's going to 222 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: happen in the world. Now. We have been for the 223 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: last several weeks, most of our episodes have been in 224 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: some way influenced by the pandemic, and definitely neither of 225 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: us foresaw suddenly that not seeming relevant anymore, Like I 226 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: was not not at all, and like I don't know, 227 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: I I we we said this, uh in the in 228 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: the intro of the interview episode about Tom Bay. We 229 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: have talked about the historical context for what is happening 230 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: right now. So much on this show we have talked 231 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: so many times about especially black people, but also indigenous people, 232 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: also other people of color, either making advancements in their 233 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: lives and then having the white community say no, like 234 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: we're going to pass laws to make it illegal for 235 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: you to make that money, or or a white mob 236 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: literally burning down a black neighborhood, like it has been 237 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: part of the show so many times. I do not 238 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: understand how people can have listened to our show for 239 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: a long time and not understand that. And I'm so 240 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: angry about what's happening right now, Like I don't even 241 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: know what I'm going to research next. I don't either. 242 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm in the same boat where I'm like, well, where 243 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: do we go from here? Yeah? Yeah, I mean it's 244 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: one of the things I said on like my personal 245 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: Twitter was that, like, I know, there are a lot 246 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: of folks who feel like this moment in history is 247 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: unprecedented and it's not. And we've been talking about it 248 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: for so long, and it feels like we're having the 249 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: same conversations over and over and over again. Um, I 250 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: don't know what else I have to add to that, because, 251 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: in addition to everything else, you and I are too 252 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: white women with a lot of privilege. Oh yeah, and 253 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: we're not. We're not the voices that needs to be 254 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: really heard. Right now, simultaneously asking for like our our 255 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: black friends or asking for a black historian to come 256 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: on our show and do work like for us does 257 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: not feel like the time for that either. Right, this 258 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: is Tuesday morning, June two. We'll see what happens because 259 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's that's you've 260 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: hit on exactly. Like the problem is that I I 261 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean, we both want to make sure that we're 262 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: aplifying black voices, that we are supporting black voices, but also, 263 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: like you, that doesn't mean that we need to ask 264 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: them to come and educate people. That is problematic in 265 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: its own right. Uh. So you know, we're kind of 266 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: feeling our way in the dark, trying to figure out 267 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: the best things to do. I'm I'm sure I will 268 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: make all kinds of errors and I don't want to, 269 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: but yeah, I recognize that that is a likelihood. And 270 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: the stuff that's coming up on the show for the 271 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: next week is also stuff that is already written and 272 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: in some cases recorded, And it's like we either have 273 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: those episodes or no episodes. That's the choice. Yeah, yeah, Um, 274 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: it's a weird time. I hope everyone you know will 275 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: bear with us. As we said at the beginning of 276 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: that two ubay episode, like if this is not the 277 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: time and you just don't want to hear people talk 278 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: about things that don't seem relevant or right right now, 279 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: like we bear you no ill will if you want 280 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: to just hold onto those episodes and listen later, or 281 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: if you want to skip that, Like we understand all 282 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: of that. Everybody is trying to figure this out in 283 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: the ways that make the best sense for hopefully them 284 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: to maintain their mental health as best you can in 285 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: a situation like this, and people going through experiences we 286 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: cannot possibly understand. I would never presume how they would 287 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: interact with such material. So um, that's where we're at. Yep, 288 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: I I don't have anything else to add. I don't either. 289 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: Stuff you missed in History Class is a production of 290 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. 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