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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Our two on this Friday. I meet Friday

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Speaker 1: at that Italian beef on the Tregger. Satan's got the

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Speaker 1: honors today. Picking out the menu. Welcome to the program,

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Speaker 1: already in progress. Coming up, we'll talk to Sean Salisbury,

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Speaker 1: sports talk show host in Houston. The Texans quarterback to

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Speaker 1: Shaun Watson now faces multiple civil accusations of sexual misconduct

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Speaker 1: and their sports angles. But this is a story that's

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Speaker 1: a little bit different. These are serious allegations and we

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Speaker 1: don't have any answers yet. I said last hour, we're

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Speaker 1: not court TV. I'm not going to litigate this. I

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Speaker 1: do want to look at this from the football perspective.

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Speaker 1: NFL fans are probably anxious to find out what's going

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Speaker 1: on because Watson has been the story of the offseason.

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Speaker 1: He's made it quite clear doesn't want to play for

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Speaker 1: the Texans. Although we don't know for sure, there are

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Speaker 1: insider reports that the team is now considering making a move.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you can do that. It's got

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Speaker 1: to be put on hold if your team interested in him,

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Speaker 1: or even the Texans interested in moving him. But I

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Speaker 1: don't want to rush to judgment one way or another.

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Speaker 1: Right now, teams, including the Texans, are gathering facts. The

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Speaker 1: NFL says that it's going to investigate this and that

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Speaker 1: could take weeks, could take months, and therefore it's probably

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Speaker 1: a very very slight chance Deshaun Watson would be traded

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Speaker 1: prior to the draft. But we'll be patient because it's

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Speaker 1: an impactful story and too impactful of the story to

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Speaker 1: take lightly. But the lawyer for those who are filing

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Speaker 1: these charges has come out to say his name is

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Speaker 1: Tony Buzby. He claims that he has nine clients who

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Speaker 1: have assault claims against Deshaun Watson. He's keeping it public,

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Speaker 1: He's making sure that it's out there. All the information

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Speaker 1: is out there. And the question is what is next

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Speaker 1: for the Texans, what is next for the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: certainly what's next for Deshaun Watson. Eight seven seven three

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Speaker 1: DP show email ADDRESSEDDP at Dan Patrick dot com, Twitter

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Speaker 1: handle at dp's show. The Colts introduced Carson Wentz yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I think they were trying to make it a team

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Speaker 1: friendly press conference. There was a report that the Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: this press conference, so they were trying to move on

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Speaker 1: from the Philadelphia Eagles. Here's Carson Wentz talking about what

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Speaker 1: happened in Philadelphia. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't fun, you know. It's it's not fun when you

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Speaker 1: know things were going so well for years and you know,

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Speaker 1: all those things and obviously the Super Bowl and all

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Speaker 1: those things that happened, you know, and not being out

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Speaker 1: there on the field, having injuries, a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that just don't know why things happened or why they

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Speaker 1: went the way they did. And you know, as a man,

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Speaker 1: mirror and you know, learn from it. Yeah, and hopefully

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Speaker 1: this is a reboot for him. He's reunited with Frank Reich.

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Speaker 1: He's a former offensive coordinator in Philadelphia, and they got

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Speaker 1: a very good team. That team is ready to win now,

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Speaker 1: and if Carson Wentz lives up to his end of

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Speaker 1: the bargain, they will be a dangerous playoff team. Mcleven,

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Speaker 1: do you have a poll question for me? Of course

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Speaker 1: I do. It's NCAA tournament time, so that means one thing.

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Speaker 1: Would you rather have Christian Laytner's amateur career or his

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Speaker 1: pro career. That's what we settled on. You settle on

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Speaker 1: that to day. Yes it's Chris, it's NCAA tournament. And

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Speaker 1: what's the one person who comes to mind and come

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Speaker 1: nca tournament time? Is it is? So it's his amateur career,

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Speaker 1: the gold medal in there too. Oh okay, I was

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Speaker 1: going to include that in there. Yeah, Paully, I'm confused

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Speaker 1: by this one. So you're saying instead of taking being

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Speaker 1: or nineteen and eight with the You don't get the

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Speaker 1: because then then it's not even a question. I think

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Speaker 1: could have and Ltner made under seventy million dollars in

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Speaker 1: his career, sixty five million dollars in his career, and

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Speaker 1: taking the pro Latener, I'm taking sixty million dollars if

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Speaker 1: I can. Okay, absolutely anybody taking Christian Latener the collegiate career,

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Speaker 1: PAULI is in a second. He's got immortality. You can

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Speaker 1: like I would like four years of greatness, household name greatness. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: Still made it to the NBA, So you're good enough.

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Speaker 1: You're already one of the one percent. All right, get

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Speaker 1: more ways than one. I guess that's our poll question today.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting like Tim Tebow made a lot

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Speaker 1: Adam Morrison or Kevin Durant. Yeah, nobody's probably bringing that

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Speaker 1: phone calls coming up. Last night, there was an incident

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Speaker 1: By the way, I want to say good morning to

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Speaker 1: our newest affiliate, Fox Sports Radio one or three point

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Speaker 1: five FM and fifteen ten AM. The game in Spokane, Washington,

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Speaker 1: home of the Gunzaga Bulldogs. So there was a moment

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Speaker 1: about that moment. You guys are beautiful. Yeah, he missed

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Speaker 1: and it's not a good look. You know. Coaches always

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Speaker 1: his cool, but he didn't. He was upset that he

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Speaker 1: to the locker room if you want to vet this out,

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Speaker 1: know that this is the old school when I should

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Speaker 1: be sticking up for tom Izzo. The old school way

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Speaker 1: of things. It's not a good look. He can mean well,

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Speaker 1: he can love his kids. Bob Knight used to tell

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Speaker 1: so much. Okay, it's not the worst thing in the

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Speaker 1: world Whizzo did last night. But this is a new era.

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Speaker 1: It's a new generation of kids. When I was growing up,

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Speaker 1: coaches and what they would do and punish you, and

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Speaker 1: it was called punishment back then. Last night, it's an

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Speaker 1: intense game, it's a play in game. You're upset with

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Speaker 1: to coaches keep your composure. You're the grown up. As

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Speaker 1: great as Bob Knight was, he couldn't keep his composure.

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Speaker 1: have composure. And I don't agree with it. You set

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Speaker 1: a better way to handle it. In my opinion, just

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Speaker 1: not a good look. And I'm sure I'm going to

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Speaker 1: you're soft. Now. I went through all of this. I

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Speaker 1: get it, I saw it, but that doesn't mean that's

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Speaker 1: the way to communicate. It's a teaching moment. These coaches

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Speaker 1: how you teach. The teaching moment is, Gabe, let's go

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Speaker 1: I love having tom Izzo on. I've known him for

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Speaker 1: twenty five years, maybe even longer. I didn't play for him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how demanding he is. I know he cares.

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Speaker 1: His players do love him. You don't hear players talking

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Speaker 1: positive light. It was just Okay, he made a mistake.

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Speaker 1: It's not the end of the world. It's just, if

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Speaker 1: you ask me my opinion on it, he made a mistake.

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Speaker 1: It's a bad look. It truly is a bad look.

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Speaker 1: When Bob Knight grabs his son by the jersey to

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Speaker 1: pull him off the floor. He loves his son. It's

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Speaker 1: a bad look. It's a teaching moment. But Tom Izzo,

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Speaker 1: you know he can laugh about it if he wants to. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Gabe Brown, maybe he laughed about it, said it wasn't

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Speaker 1: a big deal. I get it. It's heat of the moment.

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean it should be accepted as well. Heat of

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Speaker 1: the moment. And when you grab his jersey, I know

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Speaker 1: as a player, you're not supposed to turn your back

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Speaker 1: understand all those things. I got thrown out of a game.

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Speaker 1: I got thrown out of a game by my coach

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Speaker 1: because I rolled my eyes because I'd just been taken

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Speaker 1: I rolled my eyes. I get it, But that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that that that's the way it needs to be done.

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Speaker 1: Teaching moment, then, teach. Let's see what else do we

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Speaker 1: have here in mclovin. Yeah, we're gonna stay with that

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Speaker 1: poll question. We got our brackets there. Salisbury will join

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Speaker 1: We never got to it. Would you rather your alma mater? Now?

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Speaker 1: it's not egregious. I just don't like it. I don't

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Speaker 1: that's all, you know. I don't uh. Robert and Sacramento, Hey, Robert, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Talk seven ninety in Houston. Sean, I've mentioned the last

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Speaker 1: two hours, I'm not going to litigate this. This isn't

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Speaker 1: about I'm not court TV. This is just me in

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Speaker 1: my level of expertise is the football aspect of Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson and where the Houston Texans are. So we appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining us, and I hope you understand how I'm

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Speaker 1: coming at this. I don't care you know how sealacious

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Speaker 1: the details are. The allegations are serious here, but what

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Speaker 1: is the mood. What do you think what's the local

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Speaker 1: reaction here in Houston with what's going on with to

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Speaker 1: Shaun Watson. Yeah, Dan, and I'm with you, you know

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Speaker 1: the irresponsibility that goes with I don't know. And this

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Speaker 1: is about the sports part because it's a very sensitive,

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Speaker 1: serious situation for both sides and they all deserve due process. Dan.

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Speaker 1: It's a very well if you if you want controversy

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Speaker 1: and stuff that's gone on, Houston seems to be the

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Speaker 1: place to find at the last year and a half

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Speaker 1: when it comes to sports, and this is obviously to

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Speaker 1: another level of seriousness. There's a there's a mixtand there's

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Speaker 1: a like we're talking about when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: legality of it of letting due process take but when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the sports process of you know, there's

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and there's what are the Texans going to

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Speaker 1: do now? Or was this plant? You hear it all?

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Speaker 1: And now if you were a team that was interested

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Speaker 1: in de Seaun We're a team was it that was

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Speaker 1: interested in de Shaun Watson? Are you still are the

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Speaker 1: Texans now putting himself in position where the value of

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Speaker 1: him goes down? What's going to happen with the commissioner.

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Speaker 1: There is a very They've been very sensitive here and

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Speaker 1: it's like the fans here and the local talk here

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Speaker 1: is hard to fathom knowing what you you know, going

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Speaker 1: into this. Just six months ago, he'd signed a new

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Speaker 1: contract and he was the you know, the darling of

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Speaker 1: this town and obviously still deserves due process. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's more gut wrenching than anything that people can't

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Speaker 1: believe they're in this position, whether it's true or whether

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Speaker 1: it's not. Dan, I know the Texans have said publicly

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Speaker 1: they're not trading him and they're not entertaining offers. Do

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Speaker 1: you think the Texans have entertained offers on de Shaun Wanton?

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Speaker 1: I do, and I don't that That's just my opinion, Dan,

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Speaker 1: and haven't been in this business, in the sports business

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Speaker 1: and seeing it for a long time, they'd be stupid.

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Speaker 1: Not too I'm talking about this is pre all this,

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Speaker 1: even with us to not take calls. Why wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: you always the phone? I'm answering the phone no matter what. Now,

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Speaker 1: I understand Deshaun Watson the player is phenomenal and it

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Speaker 1: would take a haul to get him. But why wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you take calls on the It's your business. You got

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Speaker 1: to do what's best for your team. If somebody wanted

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Speaker 1: to call and offer your six first round or you

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Speaker 1: got to listen. So I do believe in my heart

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Speaker 1: whether they're serious and accepting them are going to trade him.

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Speaker 1: I understand why they'd want to draw a line in

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Speaker 1: the sands they listen, we're not trade and this guy

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Speaker 1: is a big time asset in the league as a

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Speaker 1: football player. But I also know in my mind that

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Speaker 1: you'd be an idiot not to take calls on a

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Speaker 1: guy and just file them away, considering you may get

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Speaker 1: one that you just can't turn down. So I believe

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Speaker 1: in my heart, while they may tell us one thing

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Speaker 1: that they're taking because that's a good business move to

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Speaker 1: take calls on an asset like Deshaun. How much credibility

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Speaker 1: has he built up in the city prior to all

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Speaker 1: to this? How was Deshaun Watson viewed on and off

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Speaker 1: the field? Biggest star in the town? Dan? I mean

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Speaker 1: off the field, the charitable guy cared involved in now

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Speaker 1: you know, like some of the restaurants stuff. He was

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Speaker 1: held in the highest regard you could hold a player

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Speaker 1: in this town. I mean in the past, you know,

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Speaker 1: Elijah One has been held such high regard. There's been

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Speaker 1: so many that have come through here. He was a

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Speaker 1: guy that basically could do no wrong. And Dan, when

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Speaker 1: this first started about him not wanting to play here,

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Speaker 1: it was like every ninety eight percent of the damn

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Speaker 1: near one hundred percent of the people I talked to

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Speaker 1: were all all Watson all the time. Right now, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how that's changed with this on the perception,

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Speaker 1: not that nobody's guilty yet, but on the perception of it.

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Speaker 1: But I have heard more whispers, you know, on my show,

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Speaker 1: of people calling in and saying, man, I started out,

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Speaker 1: Deshaun can do no wrong. But now as they continue

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Speaker 1: to come out that it makes like anybody say, well,

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Speaker 1: what happened here? How did it get to this point?

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Speaker 1: On both sides. But Dan, he and there's people that

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Speaker 1: are gonna and as we should, let do, process take

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Speaker 1: its course. But this guy was held just as you

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Speaker 1: can imagine somebody in other cities around the country their star.

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was that guy to this city, and in

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Speaker 1: many points for some people still is at least even

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Speaker 1: the last few days of people that have called in

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Speaker 1: my show who runs this franchise? Like, who is the

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Speaker 1: person that's in charge of everything? If I had money

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Speaker 1: and had to bet it, Dan, I would say that

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Speaker 1: the guy who's running this franchise is Jack Easterby. I would.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're making many decisions that aren't run

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Speaker 1: by his desk. Now I know, well, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: He came from a chaplain. Put it this way. Of

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Speaker 1: guys that are in his position of power, A very

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Speaker 1: few have had a resume as empty to be in

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Speaker 1: that position of power. Now I've never met him. I'm

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Speaker 1: always willing to give a guy benefit doubt. Now, you

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Speaker 1: all these articles that have come out on the dysfunction

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Speaker 1: and the franchise and Jack, but I can't fathom with

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Speaker 1: decisions that have been made about personnel, not only players, Dan,

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Speaker 1: but people from you know, equipment, staff, everything. I don't believe. Now.

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Speaker 1: I think Nick Kossario is making a lot of these

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Speaker 1: football decisions, as he should because his resume says top

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Speaker 1: shelf and should be in this position. He should be

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Speaker 1: the one making all the decisions when it comes to football.

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Speaker 1: But Bill Belichick's admit, Jack's not a personnel guy. And

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Speaker 1: I think Cal McNair has. But he's a former team chaplain,

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Speaker 1: yes right, yes, yes he is, and a character coach.

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Speaker 1: But he has found a way in this thing, just

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Speaker 1: from my knowledge and the way people are talking and

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Speaker 1: things I've read and heard that. But there's very few

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Speaker 1: things that are going by or decisions that are being

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Speaker 1: made on anything in that building that Jack doesn't have

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Speaker 1: insight in. So I actually think, well, if Cal signs

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Speaker 1: the paychecks, I think Jack's making most of the decisions

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Speaker 1: and they're letting Nick do the football stuff. But I

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Speaker 1: don't believe Nick's making football decisions just based on here's

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Speaker 1: what I want. I think you're clearing everything and if

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson were to stay or get traded, no matter

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Speaker 1: where this goes, Dan, I think that Jack Easterby would

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Speaker 1: be a guy who's going to have a lot of standard.

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Speaker 1: There is the dysfunction, and quite frankly, the talk of

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Speaker 1: a cultish feeling in the building is this is all

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Speaker 1: pre All this stuff that's going on now is part

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Speaker 1: of it. Now. There's people who swear by Jack Easterby

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Speaker 1: in his past, but here he's he's become the guy

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Speaker 1: that people would want out. And I talked to a guy, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I asked, who would be if you had to make

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Speaker 1: the decision on Watson or Easterby, if Cal mcnar had

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Speaker 1: to make that decision pre all this controversy. He said

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Speaker 1: he believes that Cal would choose Jack Easterby over Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson pre all this stuff Happening's John Salisbury the morning

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Speaker 1: host John Salisbury Show Sports Tuck seven ninety in Houston.

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Speaker 1: A couple other football items here. Arizona Cardinals got older?

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Speaker 1: Did they get better? I do think so they got older,

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Speaker 1: But Dan, sometime I know youth matters, but I also

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Speaker 1: believe that that team's lacking something. It's just with fits there.

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Speaker 1: It's helped obviously keep it an add and JJ Watt,

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Speaker 1: you're adding character, You're adding guys who can may not

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Speaker 1: give it to you. For Hudson the whole group, I

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Speaker 1: actually do think they got better, and if Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: elevates his play, I think that they're a definite threatenee

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Speaker 1: in the NFC West. The Rams are good, depending on

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Speaker 1: what happens with Russ Wilson. But I do think while

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Speaker 1: older now Dan talked to me, in five years will

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Speaker 1: have a different conversation but in the urgent, I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's any question that locker room will feel different

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Speaker 1: and the performance will be better because they will raise

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Speaker 1: the energy. The veterans they've added will raise the energy

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Speaker 1: and performance as some of these young players they did

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Speaker 1: get better. I know that the Bears in Seahawks didn't

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Speaker 1: want the information brought out that I reported on what

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Speaker 1: they offered for Russell Wilson, but it is out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, though, Sean, I don't understand why the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks John Schneider will sit down with the Bears Jim

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Speaker 1: Ryan Pace and listen to a trade offer. As Peter

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Speaker 1: King said last hour, well maybe it's just you know,

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00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: professional courtesy there, okay, professional courtesy, and you're gonna listen

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Speaker 1: to a trade offer for Russell Wilson and then you

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Speaker 1: don't counter anything like so what was the purpose of that?

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Speaker 1: That's the disrespect of it. If I'm going to listen

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Speaker 1: to your offer professional courtesy, don't I at least owe

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Speaker 1: you something as a response back to you, Yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: made an offer. Could you do these counters? Listen like it?

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Speaker 1: Did you add two more picks? Right? Dan, Here's the

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Speaker 1: why it's been like, I'm not there. But my thought

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Speaker 1: is the reason why he's entertaining the offer because they

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Speaker 1: would be interested if it was something they couldn't refuse.

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Speaker 1: Now I've I've said, you work your whole career to

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Speaker 1: find a guy like Russ Wilson or Deshaun Watson or

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes player. Why I want to give him up

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Speaker 1: only to try and find it again? And the Bears

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Speaker 1: they haven't got that quarterback position, right, Dan, forever forever?

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Speaker 1: And if you had a chance to give up three

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Speaker 1: ones and they Seattle would have taken it, you jump

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Speaker 1: all over that. Russ Wilson think, because there's no guarantee

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Speaker 1: with the picks. But yeah, I personally think if I'm

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Speaker 1: a Chicago you know what I do. Dan, I call

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Speaker 1: back and I say, well, what if I added another

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Speaker 1: second round pick or added a second round pick to

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Speaker 1: this or another player, and see if you could actually

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Speaker 1: get Sneider say, oh, you want to meet a counter

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Speaker 1: of course, But Dan, to me, I would throw it.

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, he just got there. I say, send the

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Speaker 1: red rifle or the red pop gun or the red canon,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him. I'm with you. Offer

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Speaker 1: what you want and can you imagine though, what it

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Speaker 1: instantly does for the Bears if Russell Wilson was in

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Speaker 1: uniform for them. I get why Seattle's not, but I believe,

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Speaker 1: like the Texans, if Seattle got an offer, they couldn't refuse.

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Speaker 1: You have to consider it. A counter offer would be

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Speaker 1: nice if you're Seattle. And if you don't want it,

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Speaker 1: then don't answer the phone and don't discuss trades you're

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Speaker 1: not interested in taking a trade. Great to talk to you, Sean,

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Speaker 1: have a great weekend, and uh, strap in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh day if I got the roller coaster double rides

636
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Speaker 1: strapped by the way, you didn't want to talk Final

637
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: four today, Dan, I thought that's gonna be brackets. No, no, no,

638
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Speaker 1: that no? Who you got winning it? Real quick? I

639
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: don't know, you don't know. You're I've seen your jump shot,

640
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: I got a you're probably saving it. I got an

641
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: hour and a half before I have to make it official.

642
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: Oh my bad. That's right. I'm cutting into your your

643
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: prediction late in the show. How are my Houston Cougars doing.

644
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: They're really really good. They're going there. They're gonna play

645
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: Illinois for a trip to the Final four. There you go,

646
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: Kelvin Sampson don't have them ready to play? Okay, And

647
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: Sean was a good basketball player in high school? Yeah, yeah,

648
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: yeah it was. The fifth story was bigger? Was No? No,

649
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: you were? You were? What did you average in high school?

650
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: Twenty six and a half twenty five and a half points? Okay?

651
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: Well I was physical, though nasty on the glass, man

652
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: had hops all that. Now you can see now I

653
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: can't jump higher. You can slide a piece of paper

654
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: under you were you were Tyler hans Row. Before Tyler

655
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Speaker 1: hans Row, I was. I was the Jack Sickma. Okay,

656
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: all right, I like that. I like that Jack Sickbow

657
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: or orangelod high school. Yeah, it's good to be on.

658
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: Retire your jersey in high school. Uh my football jersey.

659
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: I cannot believe my baseball and basketball jersey aren't hanging

660
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: in there. There's gonna be a problem because that's as

661
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: close to any other jersey retirement I'll ever get, other

662
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: than possibly the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Maybe how maybe, how

663
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: many touchdown passes you throw your senior year? I have

664
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Speaker 1: no idea, no clue I could tell how many points

665
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: I scored footballs, Dan, I don't know I can't name

666
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: eight completions in high school, but I can tell you

667
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: every jump shot, dunke and home run I hit. I can.

668
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about football. Maybe I want to

669
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: forget it, but now you're gonna be on no no,

670
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: because you look he went to USC you were one

671
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: of them more highly recruited quarterbacks in the country. Yeah,

672
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean a long time ago. Ye yes, yes, Seaton.

673
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: Do we need to start a movement at like Escondido

674
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: High or wherever that to get Oh excuse me, Barnes,

675
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Glen High, arranges Glen High. Reggie Bush was right right,

676
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: right right, Oh he was Helix Helix higher Bill Bill Walton.

677
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: And I remind Bill Walton all the time when I

678
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: see him that I passed him on the all time

679
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: San Diego County scoring list, Okay, and I did. Now

680
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't know who's better at the big redhead or me,

681
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: And as far as basketball in high school, probably probably Walton. Okay,

682
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, Orange Glen Pay. We gotta start with the

683
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: ground swells, gotta build retired the basketball jersey. I appreciate

684
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: your brother. That's Sean Salisbury. And by the way, I

685
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: joke with Sean all the time, Sean was a great

686
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: high school quarterback All American, went to USC. Then of

687
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: course he became just a good quarterback and then went

688
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: into the NFL a little bit CFL he won a

689
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: great Cup. Oh but I remember he tells me all

690
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: the time, but he didn't never talked about football. He

691
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: always want to tell me about his basketball career. We'll

692
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: take a break here. Phone calls coming up and back

693
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: after this and The Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening

694
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch

695
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: us live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six

696
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can

697
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream

698
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: us live on the Peacock app. We lost Jim Jackson yesterday,

699
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: but Fritzie always gets his man. Fritzie should have worked

700
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: for the FBI, America's most Wanted. Fritzie will track you

701
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: down Jim Jackson, who did the UCLA Michigan State game

702
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: last night? How he did the Drake game? Now an

703
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: exciting I finish us. Yeah, so we think Jim Jackson

704
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: joint is coming up at the top of the our

705
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: mister playing game. Jim Jackson. Some phone calls here. Aaron

706
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: in Missouri, Aaron, good morning. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan,

707
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: second time, long time, five eight one seventy five. You

708
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: guys are talking earlier, and I kind of want to

709
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: get your perspective in the back rows, perspective how college

710
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: players are treated compared to pro players are treated. And

711
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: I think it's an observation we always consider college players kids,

712
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: even though some of them are older than the adults

713
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Just kind of want to get your

714
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: perspective and the difference between college kids and they may

715
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: be older than pro adults. Okay, thanks for the phone

716
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: call eron. I'm not sure I follow exactly what he's

717
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: saying that you can be an older college player as

718
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: opposed to a younger like somebody who goes into the

719
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: NBA at age nineteen or twenty. Yeah, I'm a club.

720
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: There is a school of thought that you know, there

721
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: are a lot of people think these players should get

722
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: paid and calling them kids is a way to demean

723
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: them because they're not kids. I'm number twenty two. Yeah,

724
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, just to sort of keep the system as

725
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: it is. Jesse in La Hey, Jess, welcome back, anyat Hey,

726
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: Hey about having positively Friday. So I got to gloat

727
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: a little bit because I'm calling as a crowd UCLA

728
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: lin and lately I don't get many opportunities to do.

729
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: So I went there from five to nine, and when

730
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: I was there, I got to see three final fours,

731
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: and that brings me to my autograph score. I think

732
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: you might like. So my sophomore year, I was working

733
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: at a cafe on campus that catered to the important

734
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: folks at UCLA at the basketball games, and the job

735
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: was to get their orders before the crowd show up

736
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: and bring them their food. Well, the first game I worked,

737
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: I noticed Coach Wooden was sitting there, so I banned

738
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: in my work, ran straight to the students store, purchased

739
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: the basketball, brought it back to PAULI, and used my

740
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: newfound credential to go sit with coach and talk to

741
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: him for about three minutes as I took his order,

742
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: even the ball for a high school teammate of mine.

743
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: And once I left, I was immediately fired by my

744
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: supervisor for his day past business decision I've ever made.

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00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: It's good, all right, buddy, Thank you, Jess, have a

746
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: good weekend. I remember the first time I met Coach Wooden,

747
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: and he had come to Eastern Kentucky to give his speech.

748
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: He had had his Pyramid of Success and he had

749
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: had a book, and I remember he was up there

750
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: at the end of the speech and he was taking,

751
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, if he wanted to give him something to

752
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: sign and then he would sign it. But nobody was

753
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: up there getting these items to give to Coach. And

754
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: I go up on the stage and I just started

755
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: getting these pieces of memorabilia or books, pyramid of success,

756
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: and then Coach would sign it. And then at the

757
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: very end, he signed a pyramid of success for me.

758
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: Fast forward to many years later, I'm working at CNN

759
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: and I went out to Los Angeles to do a

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00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: sit down interview with Coach Wooden, and I went to

761
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: his apartment. He lived in an apartment, he didn't live

762
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: in a house. And we did the interview outside and

763
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: then he realized that I knew everything about UCLA basketball.

764
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm bringing up guys like Tommy Curtis and

765
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: Ralph Drawlinger, like I'm just bringing up guys that maybe

766
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: played a little bit. And Coach realized that I knew

767
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: UCLA basketball, took me inside and he made me a

768
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: Pimento cheese sandwich and we sat down. He let me

769
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Speaker 1: open up all the scrap books that he had, and

770
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: I stayed for a couple of hours, and it was

771
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: one of those moments where I'm in John Wooden's house

772
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at all these scrap books and I

773
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: can ask him all the questions that I want to

774
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: ask him about dealing with Walton and how tough dealing

775
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: with Bill Walton. You know, the person was, and he

776
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: was just wonderful. He was just a gentleman. And I'm very,

777
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: very lucky to have that experience. Yeah. See, see you

778
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: met Coach Wooden as a as a like student athlete

779
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: and then also as a professional. Yeah did he remember

780
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: you as these dude? You know, you always get you

781
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: get it all the time. You know we met before.

782
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, fifteen years ago at the airport. Yeah of course. Yeah.

783
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: He didn't know who he did not. I did tell him,

784
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: I said, Coach, I was at Eastern Kentucky and uh,

785
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, you gave a speech and then I came

786
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 1: up on stage and I was helping you and he goes, well,

787
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: thank you, and that was it. You know, he wasn't

788
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: get to remember some you know, pimply faced, long haired kid. Yes,

789
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: did you find yourself with I don't know if you

790
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: remember what it was like in that apartment, but almost

791
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: like an out about experience where you're hearing him and

792
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: you're talking to him, and you're also thinking, why am

793
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: I here? This is John Wooden's apartment? How did I

794
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: get here? It's almost like you're having two conversations. And

795
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: he had and he had lost his wife now and

796
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: he had her nightgown draped over her bed, and you

797
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: know you could tell. I mean, that was love of

798
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: his life. I don't know how many years they were married,

799
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: but like he never know, he never got past that,

800
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: and like they were just I took inventory of everything

801
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: that I saw in his apartment, and uh but I

802
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: was told that you do interviews outside with coach and

803
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: then then he might let you in. And I got

804
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: done with the interview and I went all in on

805
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: my UCLA knowledge. You know I'm talking about you know,

806
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: you guys lost back to back games to Oregon and

807
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: Oregon State. Wasn't Lonnie Shelton on that team at Oregon State,

808
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: wasn't Ron Lee at Oregon? Like, I'm just I'm giving

809
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: him everything I got Remember when you coach that was awesome.

810
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: Remember when you recruited Bill Walden? Was that cool? Oh?

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Speaker 1: All right, I think we're tracking down Jim Jackson, Fritzie

812
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: give him in the thumbs up, ruining us next, okay,

813
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: and the legendary broadcaster Jim Brockmeyer. All that coming up

814
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,520
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