WEBVTT - #380 Packers Unscripted: Youth at work 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:20.479 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.160 I am Mike Spofford. Heat is the one and only 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.280 West Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.240 at lambeau Field and West. As we head towards the 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.920 middle of the week, the Packers have two games left 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:36.440 in this season, heading to East Rutherford, New Jersey, this 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.600 coming weekend to take on the Jets. A lot of talk, 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.159 a lot of questions swirling around just how are the 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.599 Packers going to play these last two games because there 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.960 are no playoff hopes at stake. There will presumably be 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.120 a new coaching staff next year in some way, shape 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:57.120 or form. So does that mean Aaron Rodgers still plays 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.240 or does he rest or do some of these other 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.880 guys with you know, the big contracts and getting paid 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.400 the big money, all that kind of stuff, do they play? 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:08.040 Do you sit them? Joe Philbin addressed the media on 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.440 Monday and basically said, Hey, this is professional football. It's 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.200 all about taking a professional approach and finishing the season 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:20.240 as pros because that's what we signed up to do. Now, 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.480 health and all of that. If they're injury issues involved, 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.679 that changes the equation. But it sounds like from what 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.160 Joe Philbin said, the players who are healthy are going 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.840 to play these last two games. Inside the Packers locker 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.280 room on Monday, I thought David Botr had the quote 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.960 of the day, quote of the hour when he said 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.360 when he signed his contract back in two thousand and sixteen, now, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.960 he didn't sign it to play until you're eliminated from 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.600 the playoffs, you know, twelve fourteen games. Whatever it might be, 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:52.280 it's play for sixteen games now. Obviously there are existential 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.640 circumstances that sometimes can knock a player out from doing that, 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.720 but it's his full as he said, for everybody on 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.640 this roster, it should be his full intention to play 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.520 the string out. Now. There's a lot for the Packers 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.440 to digest this week, and I'm sure a lot of 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.280 this will be, you know, kind of hashed out during 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.160 their Tuesday and Wednesday meetings with the coaching staff to 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.080 figure out, Okay, who's going to be on the uplist, 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.000 Who do you want to play? You have Kenny Clark 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.520 dealing with the elbow injury, Brian blog and his knee, uh, 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.880 you know, Aaron Rodgers. As we talked about the list 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:23.799 of things that he's worked through this season to to 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.959 start in all fourteen games. It's a position the Packers 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.320 haven't been in before. Philbin talked about it, Mike McCarthy 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.000 talked about it before he, you know, was let go. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.600 So I don't know what the right answer is. My 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.799 personal opinion of it is if Rogers is good enough 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.640 to play, to play him, because you look at what 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.200 happened last year they were in the same exact position 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.720 after Week fifteen, they were eliminated from the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers, 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.840 you know, Dr Pat mackenzie. They all knew the story 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:53.440 with him. They knew whether or not it was good 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.200 or not, if he should be out there if the 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.000 games don't matter, and they acted accordingly. This is completely 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.080 up to Rogers. It's wetly up to the training staff 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.440 to know what his body's like right now in whether 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:04.920 or not he should be out there. But if he 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:06.920 is healthy enough to go, I think there's a huge 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.040 benefit for the young receivers on this roster, the young 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.160 players on this roster, to still have him out on 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.040 the field. Yeah. I think the one caveat that you 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.600 throw into the situation with Rogers is that he did 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.920 say after the Bears game, and you could see it 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:23.560 on a couple of scrambles that he wasn't running completely 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.760 full speed. He said his groin tightened up on him 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.040 a little bit, so he was trying to manage that 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.680 and play through the game. We didn't really get an 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.880 update on where things stand with that groin injury on Monday, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.680 and as you know West, sometimes with these injuries the 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:38.960 day or two after the game, they can actually feel 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.000 worse than they were during the game. So that would 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.360 be the one thing I would say, if, if, if 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.000 this is a more significant groin poll or strain or 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.640 whatever you want to call it, then maybe met the 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.400 eye on Sunday afternoon in Chicago when the season was 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.960 still on the line, I could see the Packers certainly 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.600 being very careful here. Um, but we just have to 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.760 wait and see. Wednesday will be the first practice of 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.880 the week, like it always is. We'll see what the 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.960 injury report says. But but I'm with you, if Aaron 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:11.119 Rodgers is healthy, he should play and uhum, and then 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:15.320 you know you react accordingly as far as other guys, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.080 you know, do you want to see more snaps from 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.840 the Jake Kumeros and the Robert tonyans of the world, 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.040 guys who potentially could be in the lineup next year 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.920 with Aaron Rodgers in more significant roles if they can 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.080 make progress, make the roster again, that kind of thing. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.479 And again I don't think the Packers go like all 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.200 preseason mode. You're certainly not gonna sit Davante Adams when 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.200 he's on the verge of breaking potentially breaking a couple 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:43.839 of franchise records here. But you could see the offense 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.680 and defense for that matter. But but speaking about the 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.880 offense with Rogers right now, you could see them trying 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:54.200 to use these last couple of games to uh develop 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.719 maybe a little bit of that chemistry that can take 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.919 some time with younger players. And I even think about 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.760 to like your Jamon Moore's guys who haven't played much 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.479 at all this season, but I've been on the roster 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.000 this entire way, uh, to potentially get some more looks. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.919 The biggest thing to me, I think it's ultimately going 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.920 to be the indicator of who plays, specifically with those 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.159 receiving corps. You know Randall Cobb, you know currently going 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:20.520 through the concussion protocol, so you know, if he's unable 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.680 to go depending on how everything works out or what 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.040 the severity of it is. You know, that is where 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.320 you know more Marcos, Velda, Scantling, Equanimia s Brown their 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.480 thrust back into the limelight there. I really, from a 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.520 historical perspective, someone that's appreciative of history, I'd love to 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.760 see Rogers play these last two games because you see 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.720 what Davante Adams has done through fourteen games, have a 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.760 hundred catches over yards, twelve touchdowns. Uh well, on his 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.520 way right now as it stands, to breaking that franchise 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.320 record for single season receptions currently held by Sterling Sharp 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.479 at hundred and twelve. So you know, a couple of 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.799 solid performances there. You know, the thing that's intriguing about 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.840 Adams is he's done it with anybody. You know, he 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.359 was successful with Brett Hunley. You know, he's he's versatile 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.680 enough that his skill set applies to anybody. But at 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.240 the same time, to see Rogers and having your number 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.000 one quarterback people to go to the distance with you, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:12.960 I think that'd be kind of cool. Yeah, I totally 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.800 agree with you there, and uh um, as far as 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.240 the defensive side of the ball goes, you know, the 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.880 Packers went into this game in Chicago on Sunday, Mike 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.680 Daniels is already on injured reserve, and then it was 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.520 determined Kenny Clark would be inactive and unable to go. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.479 I'll tell you west, when I saw that ninety minutes 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.159 before kickoff, my heart sunk a little bit because I 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.840 just I wasn't sure how the Packers would be able 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.480 to hold up against that Bears running game with Howard 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:45.000 and Cohen and everything they like to do upfront. But um, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.080 I'll tell you what hats off to some of these 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.400 young guys, and I'll say Dean Lowry first because he 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.839 was kind of the veteran in that defensive line group. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.640 But these younger guys who now got thrust into much, 0:06:55.720 --> 0:07:00.679 much bigger roles, and I'm talking about Tyler Lancaster, Fidel Brown, um, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:05.880 Montravius Adams. They for the Bears did not control the 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.279 game with their ground game, and I think that's a 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.440 credit to these young defensive linemen who who really stepped 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:12.880 up and showed with their made up I want to 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.320 start with Dean Lowery because I think one of the 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:22.600 he's such a easy going, straight forward personality type that 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.920 he doesn't get a lot of attention, especially this year 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.400 when they brought in Mohammed Wilkerson. You have Mike Daniels 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.520 and Kenny Clark's coming to his own. But you gotta 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:33.080 remember back to September Mike, Dean Lowry wasn't playing much 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:38.280 at all with how that rotation was going and Clark 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.800 both on the field. I want to say Dean lower 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.760 is playing somewhere around the defensive snaps like through the 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.800 first four games, our first three games going into Washington, 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:51.160 what he did down the stretch here, He's again come 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:52.800 on again like he did last year in the month 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.320 of December. He believe has three sacks now on the season, 0:07:55.760 --> 0:08:00.800 played fifty three of the sixty defensive snaps against you know, 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:02.840 the Bears in this contest. Being the guy that you 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:06.600 know played at Northern Illinois. Northwestern had been from Illinois, 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.440 you have to imagine that was kind of special. I 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.320 know he had a lot of friends and family there. Uh, yes, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.600 you're right, there are some really young talented guys that 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.480 stepped up, but I thought that started with Dean Lowry. 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.200 He didn't get very He had seven breathers the entire game, 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.160 and for him to go the distance playing over the 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.600 defensive snaps, I thought said a lot about him, and 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.920 then you look at what Tyler Lancaster has done, his 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.840 fellow Northwestern alumnus, this guy considered he was a practice 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:33.880 squad guy. Know you and I both talked about it 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.439 during the offseason. We felt like he was one of 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.839 the gems that undrafted class. But the fact of the 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.240 matter was he did start the season on the practice squad. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.880 For him to have to be basically an every down 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.280 nose tackle for them in that game, specifically without Kenny Clark, 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.079 and ended up with the career high seven tackles, I 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:50.640 think that said a lot about him too, and what 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.839 they were able to do against that Bears running game. Yeah. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.400 I broke down a lot of the film on defense, 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.240 and for those who want to check out a handful 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.400 of plays, my what you Might Have Missed feature is 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.760 um up on our website. I highlighted about a half 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:07.320 a dozen plays involving Lancaster and Montrevius Adams, some of 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.320 which I saw during the game, but others that stood 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:15.160 out to me later. One particularly with with Adams um 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.120 if you remember the shovel pass to Trey Burton where 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.120 he only got about five yards. I believe it was 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.200 on first and ten. If you look at that on 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.840 film Montravius Adams is that he starts to get shoved 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.200 the wrong way, he spins out of the block and 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.840 then is able to come back around and tackle Burton 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.400 when he probably gets at least nine or ten yards 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.520 on that play because because Adams ended up being the 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:41.040 first guy to get him there. So it's things like that. Now, Granted, 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.400 you know a player like Montrevius Adams needs to take 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.480 a play like that and do it all the time. 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.520 That's how you become a Kenny Clark or a Mike 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.600 Daniels and and take your game to the next level. 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.520 But when you see that stuff on film from a 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.360 young player, it's really really encouraging. And what I liked 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.560 in terms of Tyler Lancaster, I tell you what I know, 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.760 he's not much of a pass rusher, but boy, against 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.320 the run, especially playing the nose, like right on the center, 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.920 he has a he has a way to just stick 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.240 out that left arm and keep that separation so that 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.320 he can see the ball and then you know, and 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.120 then make the move to get off the block. That's 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.800 that's really impressive, especially for especially for a young guy. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.160 As you said, he was undrafted, started the season on 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.839 the practice squad. This is a guy who's really who's 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:27.800 really really come along, and I think he's got a 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.840 chance to to be a future mainstay on that defensive 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.920 line for Green Bay. What's been my nickname for him 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.400 since he got here, going back to the spring. Do 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.959 you remember what I've called him? I mean just the 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.120 way that he's built, the way he plays the position. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.440 You know, there's two types of players I've always said 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.760 this that I think are draftable type players. But you 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:53.280 often see leaking into college free agency. There your your 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.880 four year starting guards because everybody's chasing the tackles and 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.240 everybody likes their centers, but the guards sometimes will slips 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.680 through the cracks. I think that's how you see a 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.120 guy like Lane Taylor succeed the way he has in 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.200 Green Bay. There's no question my mind, Lane Taylor should 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.920 have been among the sixty one whatever it was offensive 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.760 lineman taken in that draft. He wasn't. And I think 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:16.000 it's nose like run defending nose tackles the league for 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.560 whatever reason, and I get it, it's not it's not 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:22.000 an attractive pick. You don't draft a nose tackle. You 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.360 know that that is, you know, run base and go, Yeah, 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.600 that's what our fan base is going to rally around. 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:31.240 I get that. But and the more I watched Tyler Lancaster, 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.120 the more I think it's a travesty. He didn't get 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.800 drafted just because I'm not saying I'm not trying to 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.120 make him out that he's gonna be the next Reggie 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.200 White or anything, But I just he looks the part. 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:43.440 He's intelligent, and he's powerful, and I don't think people 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.760 can fully appreciate how difficult it is for an undrafted 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.040 rookie to be able to get off blocks and get 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:54.199 arms separation from starting NFL guards and interior linement in 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.640 this league, it's not easy. And when you look at 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:58.800 the path that they've had the last couple of weeks 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.040 and some of the interior lineman I've seen Alex mac 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.040 a week ago with Atlanta UM, there are some really 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.439 talented guys out there, and for for Lancaster to step 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.000 up into that role without Kenny Clark, you know, we're 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.000 gonna have to see what this defensive front looks like 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.360 next year. Who's going to be back. But I mean, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.280 you know, Clark and Lawry are going to be again 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.320 one of your centerpieces. I just think that Lancaster, what 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.760 he's shown during this last you know, half of the season, 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.320 proves that he should be thought about in that rotation. Yeah, 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.160 I think. I think the fact that he wasn't drafted 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.440 really doesn't necessarily so much speak to him as to 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.520 what all the scouts and everybody are after, which is 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.120 which is pass rushers and the ability to get after 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.880 the passer. And Lancaster hasn't gotten his game to that 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.480 point yet where he's a consistent pass rusher, but you 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:47.640 said it was he's powerful, which means that opportunity is 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.000 there for him to add that to his game as 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.440 he continues to grow into a very big, strong and 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.800 powerful body. And I'll point out as well with Fidel Brown, 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.280 I know you mentioned yesterday the play that he made 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.719 on the third and short run with the number three 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.720 running back for the Bears. When I looked at that 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.000 on film, he actually kind of caught a break there 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.760 because they kind of forgot to block him. But what 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.720 I didn't what I what I had neglected to see, 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.520 and one of our insider inbox readers pointed this out, 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:19.880 is on the wildcat shotgun play that where Cohen fumbled. 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:24.000 The exchange with Howard Brown actually splits two guys and 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.760 is the one who I think kind of started and 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.840 that's what so it doesn't go down as a forced 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.880 fumble for number ninety eight there for a young defensive lineman, 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.120 but in essence, he forced that fumble. You combine that 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.160 with the stop that he made on the fake punt 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:42.040 and everything. Another young defensive lineman who's saying kind of 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.160 raising his hand and saying, hey, I want to stick 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.120 around here for a while, you know, make sure you 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.120 take a look at me too. I don't get I 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.160 don't want to. I'm not trying to be controversial here, 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.480 but like I was gonna say, I don't get why 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.240 the Raiders released him, but I mean, there's a lot 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.000 of moves there I don't quite understand that the Raiders 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:59.520 have made. I didn't want to make too big of 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.160 a joke out of that. But Brown is a young 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.320 guy and he's lengthy. Uh I was. I was talking 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.280 to Dean Laurie about him after the game and just 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.000 what sort of stuck out to him. Now, he couldn't 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.240 comment specifically on Brown's game because they're basically playing two 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.040 opposite positions when they're in their base front. But he said, 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:16.640 the thing that stuck stood out to him in the 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:18.600 first to practice weeks that he's been in Green Bay 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.200 is his twitch. Uh. He has some good twitch to 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.880 him and he has some pretty long arms. So when 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.680 you're able to get that kind of jump and you're 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.440 able to be able to to keep defender or offensive 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.440 lineman off of you, good things are going to happen. So, uh, 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.640 he's another young man too that you know, when you 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.400 get these expanded rosters for these teams that aren't in 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.360 the playoff hunt, that you start seeing guys go on 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.600 I are a little bit more. One of the things 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.960 that a byproduct of all of that is that you 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.560 start to see some of these young guys that, hey, 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.400 you might want to take a look at this offseason. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.000 When are you getting a chance to get some snaps 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.600 on him right now? And I thought, for what that 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.720 for what you said originally for where your your gut 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:55.520 kind of dropped a little bit when you saw that 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.360 Kenny Clark was out three point three yards per carry, 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.240 not making life easier on them. The bigger plays Cohen 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.200 made were as a pass catcher and as a returner. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.360 As far as the run game was concerned, the Packers 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.600 were pretty stout. I really thought, I really thought the 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.600 Packers only had two bad plays against the run that 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.960 entire game. The nine yard touched on run by Howard, Uh, 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.800 you know, right up the middle, and that was way 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.640 too easy. And then um, towards the believe it was 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.560 towards the end of the first half, Cohen busted a 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.240 twenty two yard twenty plus yard run. Other than those two, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.160 I mean the other eighteen or nineteen however many carries. 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.960 It was that that Cohen and and Howard combined. For 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.160 I I thought the Packers held up really well. And 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.560 if you had said that to me, you know, at kickoff, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.520 knowing that Daniels is out, and then Clark ninety minutes 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.400 before kickoff was announced as as inactive, I would have thought, uh, 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.680 the defense against the run would have had a much 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:46.400 tougher day. So I tipped my hat to him. I 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.360 want to mention one more thing, Michael, before we move 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.800 on from the defensive front. We're talking to Kenny Clark 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.960 in the locker room on Monday. You know, he was 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.120 asked about what the prognosis is going to be for 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:56.800 him with that elbow injury, if he'll be able to 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.960 come back. He feels like he's good to come back. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.600 With the training staff doctors exercising some caution there because 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.000 of the risk of him possibly re injuring it. We're 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.840 gonna have to see how these next two weeks plays out. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.840 He did not disqualify himself from potentially playing again this season, 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.240 but a part of me it it kind of sucks 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.520 to see that because fifty five tackles, six sacks, three 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.440 pass deflections at his position, playing of the snaps or 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.440 whatever it was going into Sunday later tonight on Tuesday, 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:25.960 as the time we're taping this, we're gonna get the 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.760 Pro Bowl announcements. I don't know whether or not Kenny 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:29.880 Clark is going to be a part of that, but 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:33.440 he really deserves it for a nose tackle. He's not 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.360 Aaron Donald. I'm not trying to put him in that 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.080 same category. There's levels to this game. I get it, 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:39.960 he's still only twenty three. He has some room to 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.680 grow yet. But for what he did for this defense 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.400 this here, I don't think there's any way you can 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.520 make an argument that he isn't the defensive player or 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.560 the defensive m VP for this team this season. How 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.280 consistent he was, how accountable he was, and how durable 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.440 he was. It's incredible what Kenny Clark put on film 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.280 this season. I think there's no question about that. I 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.080 think he's been the best defensive player the Packers have 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.640 had in eighteen. Quickly before I forget Packers fans, be 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.080 sure to stop in at your local quick Trip and 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.600 pick up your Packers cup today. Nine cent refills on 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.119 your Cafe Careba coffee all season long. Alright, West, We 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.280 ended yesterday's show talking a little bit about that Monday 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.920 night game Saints and Panthers. It ends up a twelve 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.880 nine victory for the New Orleans Saints, but but a 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.480 but a final score that didn't really indicate what kind 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.520 of game it was, because both of these teams were 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.600 moving the ball and getting in scoring position and having 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.680 opportunities to score, and then they kept turning the ball over, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.240 so the score, the score of the games stayed low. 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.560 You end up the Panthers end up getting two points 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.760 by running an interception back for two on when the 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.440 Saints were going for two. Just a weird game the 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.720 way it played out. But the bottom line is the 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.320 New Orleans Saints are absolutely in the driver's seat in 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.040 the NFC. Now. You can't put any style points on it, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.640 but you're on the road. You're taking on a team 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.680 that has Christian McCaffrey. You know how explosive offense can 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.800 be when cants going. Do you take the wins that 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:05.480 you can get them? I tell you what, though, the 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.760 one thing that this game taught me um And and 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.080 I don't you know, Sean Payton. They've gotten their team 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:12.320 to where they need to get to. They don't need 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.879 Wes Hogwitz as help. But as they look to build 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.120 now some momentum for the playoffs and I'm sure trying 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.000 to get their offense a little bit more on track 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:23.640 in terms of their explosiveness, I just think Alvin Kamar 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.520 is a guy that should be touching the ball five 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.400 times a game at this point. I just I think 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.199 he is the biggest playmaker. I know they have some 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.119 good ones. Michael Thomas is excellent, mark Ingram is a 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.080 great counter punch, but Alvin Kamara is special. And I 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:36.480 know he was a guy that you looked at in 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.800 the draft over a year ago now, but I just 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.080 when I see him play and when he touches the ball, 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.760 it's like Buzz Williams always just talking about paint touches 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.160 right at Marquette. If you get the ball in the paint, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.320 the percentage of what what you can do and where 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.199 your points are going to be scored increases exponentially. I 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.000 think Kamar is the same way. If you get him 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.000 the ball three or four times a series, good things 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.119 are gonna happen. It's gonna be tough now for the NFC. 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.640 H And I'll tell you what, just from a pure 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.240 football standpoint, I would I honestly would love to see 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.520 the Bears in that defense matchup with the Saints at 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.679 some point in the postseason. I think I think that 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.679