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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. Heat is the one and only

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Speaker 1: West Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios

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Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and West. As we head towards the

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Speaker 1: middle of the week, the Packers have two games left

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Speaker 1: in this season, heading to East Rutherford, New Jersey, this

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Speaker 1: coming weekend to take on the Jets. A lot of talk,

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Speaker 1: a lot of questions swirling around just how are the

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Speaker 1: Packers going to play these last two games because there

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Speaker 1: are no playoff hopes at stake. There will presumably be

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Speaker 1: a new coaching staff next year in some way, shape

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Speaker 1: or form. So does that mean Aaron Rodgers still plays

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Speaker 1: or does he rest or do some of these other

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Speaker 1: guys with you know, the big contracts and getting paid

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Speaker 1: the big money, all that kind of stuff, do they play?

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Speaker 1: Do you sit them? Joe Philbin addressed the media on

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Speaker 1: Monday and basically said, Hey, this is professional football. It's

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Speaker 1: all about taking a professional approach and finishing the season

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Speaker 1: as pros because that's what we signed up to do. Now,

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Speaker 1: health and all of that. If they're injury issues involved,

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Speaker 1: that changes the equation. But it sounds like from what

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Speaker 1: Joe Philbin said, the players who are healthy are going

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Speaker 1: to play these last two games. Inside the Packers locker

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Speaker 1: room on Monday, I thought David Botr had the quote

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Speaker 1: of the day, quote of the hour when he said

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Speaker 1: when he signed his contract back in two thousand and sixteen, now,

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Speaker 1: he didn't sign it to play until you're eliminated from

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, you know, twelve fourteen games. Whatever it might be,

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Speaker 1: it's play for sixteen games now. Obviously there are existential

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Speaker 1: circumstances that sometimes can knock a player out from doing that,

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Speaker 1: but it's his full as he said, for everybody on

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Speaker 1: this roster, it should be his full intention to play

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Speaker 1: the string out. Now. There's a lot for the Packers

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Speaker 1: to digest this week, and I'm sure a lot of

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Speaker 1: this will be, you know, kind of hashed out during

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Speaker 1: their Tuesday and Wednesday meetings with the coaching staff to

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Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, who's going to be on the uplist,

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Speaker 1: Who do you want to play? You have Kenny Clark

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Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Rodgers. As we talked about the list

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Speaker 1: of things that he's worked through this season to to

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Speaker 1: start in all fourteen games. It's a position the Packers

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Speaker 1: haven't been in before. Philbin talked about it, Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: talked about it before he, you know, was let go.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what the right answer is. My

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Speaker 1: personal opinion of it is if Rogers is good enough

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Speaker 1: to play, to play him, because you look at what

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Speaker 1: happened last year they were in the same exact position

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Speaker 1: after Week fifteen, they were eliminated from the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dr Pat mackenzie. They all knew the story

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Speaker 1: with him. They knew whether or not it was good

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Speaker 1: or not, if he should be out there if the

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Speaker 1: games don't matter, and they acted accordingly. This is completely

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Speaker 1: up to Rogers. It's wetly up to the training staff

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Speaker 1: to know what his body's like right now in whether

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Speaker 1: or not he should be out there. But if he

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Speaker 1: is healthy enough to go, I think there's a huge

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Speaker 1: benefit for the young receivers on this roster, the young

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Speaker 1: say after the Bears game, and you could see it

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Speaker 1: on a couple of scrambles that he wasn't running completely

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Speaker 1: full speed. He said his groin tightened up on him

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Speaker 1: and play through the game. We didn't really get an

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Speaker 1: update on where things stand with that groin injury on Monday,

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Speaker 1: and as you know West, sometimes with these injuries the

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Speaker 1: day or two after the game, they can actually feel

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, then maybe met the

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Speaker 1: still on the line, I could see the Packers certainly

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Speaker 1: make progress, make the roster again, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: And again I don't think the Packers go like all

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Speaker 1: to like your Jamon Moore's guys who haven't played much

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Speaker 1: this entire way, uh, to potentially get some more looks.

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Speaker 1: you know more Marcos, Velda, Scantling, Equanimia s Brown their

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Speaker 1: see Rogers play these last two games because you see

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Speaker 1: what Davante Adams has done through fourteen games, have a

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Speaker 1: at hundred and twelve. So you know, a couple of

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Speaker 1: was successful with Brett Hunley. You know, he's he's versatile

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Speaker 1: I think that'd be kind of cool. Yeah, I totally

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you west, when I saw that ninety minutes

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Speaker 1: when they brought in Mohammed Wilkerson. You have Mike Daniels

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Speaker 1: remember back to September Mike, Dean Lowry wasn't playing much

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Speaker 1: For him to have to be basically an every down

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Speaker 1: But when you see that stuff on film from a

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Speaker 1: I Mean, they're special and it's gonna be fun to

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Speaker 1: With the resources they've invested in this year's team, there

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Speaker 1: With that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition

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