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Speaker 2: my guest comes from the United States Army and I'm

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Speaker 2: and read this. John Antell is a soldier, historian, author,

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Speaker 2: leadership development expert and master storyteller. In one of his

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Speaker 2: many books or in a single session, John will teach

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Speaker 2: you how to improve your leadership and raise your team's effectiveness.

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Speaker 2: He has published fourteen books and hundreds of magazine articles

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Speaker 2: on military history, military technology, and leadership topics. John served

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Speaker 2: thirty years in the US Army and retired from the

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Speaker 2: US Army as a colonel. He is an airborne and

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Speaker 2: ranger qualified and commanded tank and cavalry units. In his

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Speaker 2: post army career, John has become a successful author, magazine

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Speaker 2: correspondent and editor, video game producer, military consultant, film personality,

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Speaker 2: public speaker, radio talk show host, explainer, integrator, journalist, and

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Speaker 2: the Silver Order of the Saint George Medal, and numerous

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Speaker 2: In October twenty seventeen, John was awarded the Congressional Veteran

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Speaker 2: Commendation CVC by Congressman Sam Johnson of Texas. In short,

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Speaker 2: John's life purpose is to develop leaders and inspire service.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, rad Thank.

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Speaker 3: You very much very kind of you and much more

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Speaker 3: than I deserve.

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Speaker 2: You know, you just put yourself into the selfless service

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Speaker 2: lifestyle where you just probably wanted to do good.

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Speaker 3: Well, I tell you the I'm still trying to make

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Speaker 3: an effort. Since January twenty twenty one, I was a

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Speaker 3: member of the Army Science Board for three years. And

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Speaker 3: when I left the Army Science Board, I realized that

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Speaker 3: we still needed to coach, teach and mentor our military

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Speaker 3: to understand the changing methods of war. And we are

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Speaker 3: transitioning from twenty years of fighting jihatis and fighting in

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Speaker 3: the Middle East, and now we're looking at peer competition.

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Speaker 3: As you can see, the whole world is on fire.

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Speaker 2: It really is. And you have a book, right, and

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Speaker 2: it's called Next War, Right, I mean, this is something

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Speaker 2: that is this is your lane, and so you bring

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Speaker 2: this to the show to talk about. I was watching

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Speaker 2: some of your highlight reel, right. You have a YouTube

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Speaker 2: video out there right now, Next War, and I was

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Speaker 2: watching your highlight reels of that and that you're talking

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Speaker 2: happening right today. Even though I don't like to date

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, We're in dangerous times. We're in dangerous times.

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Speaker 3: And since January twenty twenty one, when I left the

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Speaker 3: their job is to protect their people. And the problem

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. A lot of things that we

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Speaker 3: Often actually been practicing with these weapons. So the difference

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Speaker 2: Right because they have a ready reserve right of like

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Speaker 2: But then they we see photos, right, we see photos

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Speaker 2: to say, we all saw what happened or hear about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to do a detailed after action review

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Speaker 3: Well, it's quite clear, and only we need leaders with foresight.

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Speaker 3: And we're our lack of leadership across the board is

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Speaker 2: To change, and we need human intelligence that was on

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Speaker 2: the ground. There's got to be a humid out there,

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Speaker 3: But if you ignore it because you've been told no,

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Speaker 3: that's not really what they mean. They really are getting

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Speaker 3: talk yourself out out of bad things all the time. Now,

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Speaker 3: failure of imagination is crucial. This was a complete failure

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Speaker 3: positions in the world. You can dig a foxhole and

432
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Speaker 3: get out of bursting radius of some artillery. You can

433
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Speaker 3: dig a deep bunker and you can get out of

434
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 3: the range of some things, but bunker busting missiles will

435
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Speaker 3: find you. Drones can fly into the openings. All those

436
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Speaker 3: things can happen. So there are no places on the

437
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Speaker 3: battlefield that are now completely safe. What does that mean, Well,

438
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: think about what that means as far as our ability

439
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Speaker 3: to mass forces. Why are the Ukrainians having problems trying

440
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 3: to break through the Russian defenses Because every time they

441
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 3: mass more than four or five vehicles, the Russians see

442
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: that and the target that sticks out gets hammered. The

443
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 3: target that sticks out on this battlespace gets hammered. They'll

444
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 3: see it and in seconds they have a kill chain

445
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 3: that goes very rapidly from sensor to shooter, and they'll

446
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 3: launch systems, launch effects against those targets and destroy them.

447
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: So if you have ten vehicles together, or ten vehicles

448
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: in a command post, wow, that's a real target that

449
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: sticks out and you'll be seen immediately. You got more

450
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Speaker 3: than that cluster together, and you're going to be annihilated. Now,

451
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: the Israelis have less of a problem with this with

452
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: hamas their rockets are primarily designed to strike general areas.

453
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 3: They are not very precise. Now that doesn't mean they

454
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 3: don't have some precision weaponry, and any one of their

455
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 3: drones can be absolutely precise because it's human operated, it's

456
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 3: remotely human operated. But the Israelis are amassing their forces

457
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Speaker 3: now and they're starting their assault into Gaza and other places,

458
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Speaker 3: and as they do this, you'll see many videos of

459
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Speaker 3: them clustered together. They would never be able to do

460
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Speaker 3: that in Ukraine, and we cannot do that on future

461
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Speaker 3: battlespaces against peer competitors. Now tomorrow, we could end up

462
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Speaker 3: in war by design or mistake. In Europe, the Russians,

463
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Speaker 3: if they wanted to hit us, imagine our post camps

464
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Speaker 3: and stations in Romania, in Poland, in Germany are peacetime.

465
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Speaker 3: We're in peacetime barracks. We're all within range of their

466
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Speaker 3: weaponry and they know exactly where we are. So if

467
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Speaker 3: they wanted to conduct the first strike to kill a

468
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Speaker 3: lot of Americans. They have the missile capability and the

469
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Speaker 3: ISR capability to do it. Now. Retribution is what holds

470
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Speaker 3: them back to terrence. But if they don't believe in

471
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Speaker 3: our deterrence anymore, then we just become a soft target.

472
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Speaker 3: One of the jobs our military has to be is

473
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Speaker 3: to turn those soft targets into hard positions so that

474
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Speaker 3: they become very hard nuts to crack. And the enemy

475
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: will say, why why we shouldn't do this because we

476
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Speaker 3: don't have the capability.

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Speaker 2: I'd imagine peace time. Could we not have like, you know,

478
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Speaker 2: patriot missile systems and stuff? I mean, like.

479
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Speaker 3: Systems are great. Patriots. Missile systems are very expensive in

480
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Speaker 3: their high end against high end targets. They are important

481
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Speaker 3: to have. They have to be alert all the time, yeah,

482
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 3: and maintained and up kept and like them to cover

483
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Speaker 3: everything which we don't readiness, Yeah we don't.

484
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Speaker 2: I mean.

485
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Speaker 3: Israel is a small country and their iron dome system

486
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: works very well. But they spent a tremendous amount and

487
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 3: so a way to help them to create this iron

488
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Speaker 3: dome system that provides this bubble over Israel. We don't

489
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Speaker 3: have anything like this over the United States, you know,

490
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 3: like they do. We have anti ballistic missile systems that

491
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: are designed to shoot down you know, nuclear warheads if

492
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: they're launched on a major scale. But our camps, post

493
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Speaker 3: and stations all across the world in North North Korea

494
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 3: has missiles that could hit our camps in South Korea

495
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Speaker 3: within minutes. We're not in hardened positions. Guam, we have

496
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: air defense systems there, but we're not in hardened positions.

497
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: Pearl Harbor. Nobody could hit us at Pearl Harbor. I

498
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Speaker 3: mean we're too far away. Right. Wait a minute, Wait

499
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 3: a minute, what happened to World War Two when these

500
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 3: guys had propelled driven air cranes and hit us. I mean,

501
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: so we have to think this through. That is a

502
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: problem with no imagination. You see, we have set ourselves

503
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 3: in a box thinking we're the best in the world.

504
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to fight us, and we're fine. Well, the

505
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: enemy doesn't see it that way. They see us as weak.

506
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: They see us having fled from Afghanistan. They see us

507
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: having across the world stage lost a lot of our

508
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Speaker 3: capabilities to deter war.

509
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Speaker 2: I mean we've fled quite a bit, actually, not just Afghanistan,

510
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: but all the past have fled out. I mean all

511
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: the way back to NOM fled out. You know. It's like,

512
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: you know, they're just I mean, honestly, you know, I

513
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Speaker 2: don't know how.

514
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Speaker 3: You couldn't send a weaker and more confused message, right,

515
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 3: You know very well, if you have a bully, you

516
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 3: got to send that bully a clear message. You know,

517
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: if you sit there and you cower, the bully is

518
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: going to take you down. But if you send him

519
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: a message that this fight, even if you're smaller, is

520
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: going to be so bad, it's going to be so

521
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: tough on him that he's going to regret at the

522
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: rest of his life, then you have a chance to

523
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Speaker 3: deter And if you don't, then you have a chance

524
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: to fight. And the worst thing you can do is

525
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: die fighting rather than die as a victim. You know.

526
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 3: So our challenges, our challenges is that we've got to

527
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: send better messaging with real action, and it's the actions

528
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: that count, and our actions so far have been contrary

529
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Speaker 3: to deterrence.

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Speaker 2: We just need to spray paint Wolverine yeah on everything

531
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Speaker 2: we get.

532
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Speaker 3: I hope we never get to the case where we

533
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: have to defend the United States with high school kids

534
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: at their hometown.

535
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Speaker 2: Red Dawn, I said, Wolverines, Right, we know exactly what

536
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Speaker 2: I understand.

537
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Speaker 3: I follow it completely.

538
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

539
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Speaker 3: The point is is that is that our military needs

540
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 3: to get harder, smarter, and tougher and focused on war fighting. Unfortunately,

541
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: there's a misfocus in many ways and we need to

542
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: change that. And commanders right now across the military, we're

543
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 3: having trouble getting commanders because people don't want to accept

544
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: command because if they do, they have a very high

545
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Speaker 3: propensity of being called toxic for something or any other city.

546
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Speaker 2: Well, and they also need to be given command so

547
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: that they could be called toxic because they're not even

548
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: be giving the opportunity to be toxic because the houses

549
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: in disarray, they're fighting against themselves when they should be

550
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: working to you know, support bills for Ukraine, Israel and

551
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: infrastructure and you know American citizens.

552
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Speaker 3: Well, American democracy has always been messy, and we'll get

553
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: through that. Some people will argue, you know, different cases

554
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: and make a lot of hay out of certain things,

555
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: but what we have to do is we have to

556
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: have focused, clear, strong leadership in order to deture war.

557
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: Just like when you deter a bully, and our military

558
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: needs to be harder, tougher, and smarter. Now, we have

559
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: a lot of great people in the military, Army, Navy, Marines,

560
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: Air Force, Coast Guard, Space Force. Those guys are working

561
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: hard in many cases, but they have to have the

562
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: foresight and the imagination to understand what's coming. We did

563
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Speaker 3: not understand what was coming on December seventh, nineteen forty one,

564
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: as most of your listeners know, that's when Japan, Japan

565
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: attack Pearl Harbor started for US World War two, and

566
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Speaker 3: we were surprised. We never thought they would do that.

567
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Speaker 3: We thought they might, you know, attack US in the Philippines,

568
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: little piece meal stuff. They were tremendous in their first

569
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Speaker 3: six months. They wrecked havoc across the Pacific for a year.

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Speaker 2: You know.

571
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Speaker 3: Basically, we're at our with send. Had they been better

572
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: at it, we would have been really bad. So our

573
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: challenge is is that what happens if we have another

574
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: situation like that. Our military is being paid and trained

575
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Speaker 3: to stop that situation through deterrence. That means we have

576
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: to be so tough that they will not attack us.

577
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: And right now we have a lot of soft targets

578
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: out there and a lot of soft thinking and not

579
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Speaker 3: the kind of training that we need because we're not

580
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Speaker 3: training for the next war. We're actually training, in many

581
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Speaker 3: cases for past wars.

582
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Speaker 2: So let's let's let let me let me pick up

583
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Speaker 2: the training then real quick with you, colonel, because retire, colonel,

584
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Speaker 2: forgive me, but colonel, you get those Colonel.

585
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Speaker 3: You're always you always have the title. And I'm honored, yes,

586
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Speaker 3: colonel in the United States Army, and I'm very proud

587
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Speaker 3: of that. You can call me John, antel or John,

588
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. And I've been called worse.

589
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: Go ahead, So with your how proud you are, I

590
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: would never call you soft? Right, that's a two shape

591
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Speaker 2: point because I got a friend that's a private in

592
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Speaker 2: a guard unit, and I don't think he's soft. He

593
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: doesn't think he's soft, But is his training soft?

594
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: We don't rise to the level of our expectations, fall

595
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: to the level of our training.

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00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: M And so if this is a regimented training program

597
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: that's constantly put out to these guys and somebody wrote

598
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: it and they might have been soft.

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00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: Well is that here's the deal? You have the are

600
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: you hard? Are you you have the discipline to make

601
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: your soldiers camouflage? What does it take to learn to

602
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: be to camouflage your soldiers. It takes discipline and equipment,

603
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: and if you don't have the equipment, you make it up. Now,

604
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: you look at most pictures of American soldiers and they're

605
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: poorly camouflaged. And camouflaging vehicles and camouflaging command post crucial

606
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: in a transparent battle space. That's essential. The discipline that

607
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: we need to lead the army and the Air Force

608
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: and the Navy and the Marines and the Space force.

609
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: You know, in the years they had through these tough times,

610
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: has got to be armed with the foresight of what

611
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: those wars will look like. And again I go back

612
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: to we need to study the four wars that have

613
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: just happened since twenty twenty. The second to go in too,

614
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: Karabakh War twenty twenty, the Israeli Haimas War twenty twenty one,

615
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: the Ukrainian War twenty twenty two going on, and now

616
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: the Israeli Hamas War. I'm calling it the October War

617
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, but it's it's going to go on

618
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: longer than a month. So our challenge is is that

619
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Speaker 3: we have to study these and our leaders need to

620
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: be studying this. I had a general officer who retired

621
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: and was talking to me about a subject and I said, well, sir,

622
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: you know while you were in command, this was going

623
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Speaker 3: on and I'm sure you were studying it. And he said,

624
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: why was too busy commanding to study war?

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00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what do you You got to read

626
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: at least sun Su, right, or at least Swartzkoff's stories

627
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: and have an understanding, right, if you're going to be

628
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: a position of.

629
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Speaker 3: That, well, you need to be a leader. You need

630
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: experience and knowledge in depth. So you need to understand

631
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: things like in the military Sunsu and clause of its

632
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: and all that. But you also need you know, in breath,

633
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, in breath, you need to understand and it

634
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: basically the overall in breadth of it. But you also

635
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: need to study in depth the campaigns that are happening now.

636
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: Because the war's nature is relatively the same over the years,

637
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: which is why Sunsu the Art of War classfits from

638
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: the eighteenth century of nineteenth century. Those studies are valuable

639
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: to us because the nature of war hasn't changed in

640
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: the big picture, but the methods of war changed dramatically. Obviously,

641
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: there were no machine guns in the American Revolution. Now

642
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: there are machine guns. You can't fight the way you

643
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: fight in the American Revolution against machine guns. That'd be crazy,

644
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: all right, And we learned that in World War One, basically,

645
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: So we have to change our thinking with the methods,

646
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: changing methods of war, and artificial intelligence is driving a

647
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: tremendous change in warfare. Weapons are now as you saw

648
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: on the video that we talked about earlier that I

649
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: sent out to everyone, those weapons are now able to

650
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: see the battle space with high definition and send back

651
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: streaming video, and all of that can be collected for

652
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: intelligence and information for strike information, and you know you've

653
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: hit the target and to win the information war. So

654
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: you've got all these capabilities now, and we've got to

655
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: change how we think about how to fight simply just

656
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: some simple things like the first strike. In every case,

657
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: we're not going to be attacking our peer competitors. I

658
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: can't imagine the preemptive war against China or Russia. It's

659
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: not out of the realm of possibility.

660
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: But I'm not in on it. I don't want that.

661
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: I mean, like, if it's coming from US, I don't

662
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: want it from America's side, right, I don't want Yeah, so.

663
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: If we go into war against Russia or China, and

664
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: we are at war right now with Russia, hybrid war,

665
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: so we have to consider that. We have to think

666
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: that through because we are at war with Russia now

667
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: and we don't consider ourselves at war, but I assure

668
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: you Russia does. They're losing soldiers of high mars every day.

669
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: They know who makes them. They know America is the enemy,

670
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: you know, So we need to start thinking about that

671
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: because they want revenge. So we have to open our

672
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 3: minds a bit and start thinking differently. You know, we

673
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: have this complacency that we've developed because we are so

674
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: rich and so big and on everything else, that we

675
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 3: think no one can attack us. And over history, if

676
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: you study history, you'll see that that doesn't always, that

677
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: doesn't work. Eventually somebody does. Now, if the Chinese were

678
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: to attack in the Pacific and conduct a first strike,

679
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: they have learned from what Russia did in Ukraine. Russia

680
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: had a first strike on the first week of the war.

681
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: From February twenty fourth on, they started to hit the Ukrainians.

682
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 3: They hit twenty nine and eleven targets. That was not enough.

683
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 3: They thought they would slap their little cousins around and

684
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: say hey, we're coming. Pay attention. We're your big brothers.

685
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: If you don't, we'll beat you up. Instead, the Ukrainians said, f.

686
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: You, We're going to fight like hell and then yeah,

687
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: we're going to die try and yep.

688
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Russians weren't ready for any of that.

689
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: They had they foresight on this. Had they thought through

690
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: what the Ukrainians were going to do, they might have

691
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 3: attacked that was that first strike with everything they had.

692
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: So imagine everything they had and just completely annihilated any

693
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: capacity to do war and govern the country because the

694
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: first strike gives them great capability because they have surprise.

695
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: So put that in China's place. China watched this and

696
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 3: studied it. They know, so if they do a first strike,

697
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 3: it will be everything they got.

698
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 2: So since Russia came in and tried to just pitter

699
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: patter in the beginning, if you will with Crimea in

700
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, fourteen to today, with what they're doing in

701
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: February of last year, don't you think that they've kind

702
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: of like decimated the idea of keeping any infrastructure if

703
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: they wanted just to move in within a two week

704
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: mindset and then just take over. Now they're just like

705
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 2: laying it out flat and just like blowing the entire

706
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: cities apart, and just no cause for concern on you know,

707
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: civilians whatsoever, because they're all just you know, they just

708
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: don't It seems like almost a genocide.

709
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent comment. The Russians came in with a flawed idea.

710
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: They were believing their own propaganda and Putin lives in

711
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: an echo chamber, so it only takes one guy to

712
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: make the decision. And Z lives in an echo chamber,

713
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 3: so it only takes one guy to make a decision.

714
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: There's very few people in the Communist Party in China

715
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: that will say to Z, that's not a good decision. Ze,

716
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: you shouldn't do that. I mean, he has purged anyone

717
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: that he doesn't trust, and so everybody else is pretty

718
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: much saying yes, sir, yes, sir. So the challenge we

719
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: have here is that only one guy makes a decision,

720
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: and he can make a very bad decision. For instance, historically,

721
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 3: why did Hitler declare war on the United States after

722
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: Pearl Harbor. He did not have to. Hitler, Germany was

723
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: not obliged by any treaty with Japan. To declare war

724
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: in the United States. But he did. He didn't even

725
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: advise anybody. He didn't go to his generals and say, hey,

726
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: what do you think. He just declared war on the

727
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: United States. He was already at war with Russia, he

728
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: was already at war with most with Britain. So he decides,

729
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: just let's add another enemy. The guy was in this

730
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: case and the general officers, the German generals, when he

731
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: announced this at a party conference meeting, they went, what

732
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: now we're at war with the US. Well that changed

733
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: all sorts of things and they had no plans engaged,

734
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: they had submarines out there, all these things that had

735
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 3: to change. So the bottom line is that leaders can

736
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: make bad decisions. We've seen that, and it is very

737
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: probable that z the Emperor of China will decide to

738
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: do something against Taiwan that will happen in the next

739
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 3: twenty four to thirty six months. And if that happens,

740
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: we are in a major conflagration. And that can all

741
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 3: be by his miscalculation of him thinking he can win. Now,

742
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 3: I believe that we have a very resilient and capable military,

743
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 3: but we need to be more focused in order to

744
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: deter the war. It is better to deter the war

745
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: than it is to fight the war and then have

746
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: to recoup all that. So if we're harder now, if

747
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 3: we're more disciplined now, if we're stronger now, if we're

748
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 3: more our focus now, we might be able to do that.

749
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: And we look at what's happening, I mean with Ukraine,

750
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: with Israel, Hamas, all of these things can easily, as

751
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 3: we've talked about earlier.

752
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: You know, everybody's pissed off right now, yeah, yeah, And

753
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: so what.

754
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: Does it take for us to see the rhino coming?

755
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 3: What does it take for us to say, okay, we

756
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: better get ready now. Now? In the United Kingdom, the

757
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 3: British Commander in Chief of the British Army, he has said,

758
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 3: he said last year, this is our nineteen thirty seven moment.

759
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: We have got to get ready for this war. And

760
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: he's been putting the British Army on a very strong

761
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: war footing. And in fact, I've even had an opportunity

762
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: to brief some members of the British Army in the

763
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: Royal Artillery and they took an early brief from me,

764
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: and then they took another one six months later and said,

765
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: look at what we've done based on what you talked

766
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: about to change our methods.

767
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: Nineteen thirty seven was before what we called the World War,

768
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: like you know it was, you know, I think Hitler

769
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: was still talking to the boy Scouts about how to

770
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: create the Hitler youth in nineteen thirty seven exactly, all right, and.

771
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: You know the wart started on September first, nineteen thirty

772
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 3: nine in Europe.

773
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's seeing the historical recreation happening here of what

774
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: was going on. Yes, that's what he's talking about. I

775
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: just want to be clear for my listener, Like we

776
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: got to finish.

777
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 3: I believe that we are in October nineteen forty one

778
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: in a comparison.

779
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: Right.

780
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: So one of my friends, when I was talking about

781
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 3: this yesterday, he says, well, what if you're wrong, John,

782
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: What if none of this is going to happen and

783
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: Ze really loves peace and everyone's going to be, you know,

784
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: singing Kumbai a in a couple of years. And I said, well,

785
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: that would be great, but wouldn't you rather be prepared

786
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 3: rather than be unaware of victim?

787
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: Correct? So, like, better to have it and not need

788
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: it than to need it and not have it right,

789
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: And what is the job of.

790
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 3: The military and our government leadership, and that is to

791
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: have the foresight to prepare for these kind of things

792
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: so that we can either stop them from happening through

793
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: de terns or mitigate them from disasters into quick victories.

794
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: And we've got to win quickly because long wars are stupid.

795
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 3: We learned that in the last twenty years.

796
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: Jeez, yeah, jeez, sixty years, I mean, right, you know

797
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: z long wars, you know, I mean none was like

798
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: fifties through seventies. Sure, you know when it was really

799
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: kicking off. And that's Korea. You know what a Your

800
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: father was a Korean War veteran, yes, right, and he's

801
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 2: at Arlington. Correct, let's give him a shout out.

802
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. My father was a marine in the first

803
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: Marine Division, fought to Korean War. And my mother was

804
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 3: a WHAF in the Air Force during the Korean War

805
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: Women's Air Force. And both of them have passed and

806
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: they're arresting in Arlington, and I'm very proud of them.

807
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: But what we have to think about today is how

808
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: to in the past. The Korean War, the Vietnam War,

809
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: those were wars abroad, and many of them can be

810
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 3: explained as part of the Cold War. You know, in

811
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: the Cold War, we were more prepared for actions than

812
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: we are today. In the Cold War, we had a

813
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 3: mobilization system for our military that we would mobilize with

814
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: a draft service men and women, well service men in

815
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: those days, you know, for warfare if we needed them.

816
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: And we had a civil preparedness situation across the country

817
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: where people took this relatively seriously. Today we have nothing today.

818
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: If you said civil defense, they wouldn't know what to do.

819
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: No one would know what you're talking about. There's no

820
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: place to go, there's no end of this. Now. I'm

821
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: not saying we should start building bomb shelters everywhere, but

822
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 3: mobilizing the society, mobilizing the military, and then mobilizing the

823
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 3: nation is crucial. And you see, as I said earlier,

824
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: that the Israelis have been able to do a tremendous

825
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: mobilization in less in days. They've been doing it in days.

826
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: The Russians took to mobilize three hundred thousand men took

827
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: half a year. What would it take for the United

828
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: States to start mobilizing the nation and the military if

829
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: we needed to?

830
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: Now?

831
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: I hope we never need to. And one of the

832
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: ways we will never need to is if we start

833
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: thinking better and we start looking at how wars will

834
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: be fought and then making sure that our enemies with

835
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: a very focused message, know that if they try to

836
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: attack us, we will not be easy targets. And right

837
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: now we have too many easy targets.

838
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: Let's play here. Let's say it happens here, and here

839
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: we all are. We're Americans, and we've all got thirty

840
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: rifles in our armory with the child locks coming off.

841
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: And I got two arms, okay, and I got four kids,

842
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: so that's eight arms, and I got thirty guns, okay,

843
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 2: so I just need eight, okay, So let's go to

844
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: the eight. So I got eight, and now we're defending

845
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: the other twenty two arms from being taken from looters outside.

846
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: So not only are we going to have people who

847
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: are neighbors that we think our neighbors, but they're defending

848
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: their eight or twenty eight other rifles and ammunition in

849
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: their house. How do we calm? I mean, like, I

850
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: guess if you go to like a religious group and

851
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: you can have you know, a church email, but if

852
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: email's gone, you can't reach out and communicate with your

853
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: fellow brother and to say, hey, are you going to

854
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: cover the watch to It's like, you know, are you

855
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: gonna be on Ham radio? So my dad being an

856
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: eighteen echo operator in a green Bereat team all radios,

857
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: we grew up with Ham radios and all that CBS

858
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: in my life. You know, it was just like I

859
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: even Morse code, right, you know, how do we we

860
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: would have to communicate together to not kill each other.

861
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you know, worst case scenario. You know,

862
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: if you think about some of the things that are

863
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 3: going on right now. We have an open porous border.

864
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: Drug cartels are able to smuggle in anything they want

865
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: to any place in the United States.

866
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 2: Anything Philadelphia.

867
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 3: The Russians have small nuclear weapons. They may have given

868
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: some to Iran, we don't know. Okay, so you can

869
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: start thinking through what the possibilities might be there if

870
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 3: you wanted to distract and disrupt the United States. There's

871
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 3: other ways to do so. But what you're talking about

872
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 3: is the difference between an armed population and an unarmed population.

873
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 3: An armed population just harder to take over and harder

874
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: to control. The reason that it's harder to control is

875
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: obvious and that's why some people don't want the Second

876
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: Amendment to exist. But what's more important is that all

877
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: of us need to develop human relationships with our neighbors

878
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 3: and our communities. Human relationships make the difference in all cases.

879
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: We work together to get things done. You don't do

880
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 3: anything on your own. You may think you're a great

881
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: individual operator and you're going to run off into the

882
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: woods and survive, and you've played call of duty a lot.

883
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 3: But the big thing is is that we operate. Human

884
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 3: beings operate in teams, and that means you have to

885
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: have leadership. And I wrote a book called Leadership Rising

886
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: that you might enjoy. It talks about you. It talks

887
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: about how you know who you are first and then

888
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: you learn how to leave. So leadership is crucial and

889
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 3: being able to form teams in your community to help

890
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: people is important. For instance, we had this happen in

891
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: my neighborhood and when we had a very had winter

892
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 3: in Texas and we lost all power for about a week.

893
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: It was on and off a couple of times, you know,

894
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: so it wasn't a total loss of power. But we

895
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: all got together as a community and we helped each

896
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: other out and we talked to each other because there

897
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: wasn't any electricity. You couldn't talk on the phone anyway.

898
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: That's interesting. We didn't start running around looting each other's

899
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: homes because we had relationships. And that's what you have

900
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 3: to do in every case. And also have to remember that,

901
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: you know we have America is exceptional for one reason only.

902
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: We are not the best looking people on earth. We're

903
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: not the most and we may be very rich, but

904
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: it's not about the money. We have wonderful assets in

905
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: the country, but that's not about it. It's because we

906
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: decided to rule ourselves that was exceptional in the history

907
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 3: of mankind. We decided that we wouldn't have a king

908
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: or a czar or an emperor rule us. And because

909
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: of that, the czars and the emperors don't look like

910
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: us very much, because we ruined their whole idea of governance.

911
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: Right therefore, they hate us. And so we have to

912
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: underst stand that although we may be able to play

913
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: nice with these people sometimes when they in fact want

914
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: to be nice because it benefits them, we should never

915
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: ever forget that our whole way of life, the whole

916
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: idea of thinking that we govern ourselves no matter how

917
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: unruly and undisciplined and sometimes messy. That is that we

918
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 3: rule ourselves. Is one of the reasons why Putin and

919
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: Ze and others can't stand us and can't have that

920
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 3: kind of thinking in their countries.

921
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: Right.

922
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 3: You saw what happened in Hong Kong when when for instance,

923
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: people of Hong Kong were protesting and carrying American flags.

924
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: Carrying American flags happened.

925
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, that's just that's what happened. That's what happened.

926
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: I know, I know, And that's what that shot the

927
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: Chinese to the heart because they saw that virus of

928
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: freedom spreading across the nation, and so therefore they did things.

929
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: You're right one hundred percent. A lot of people forget

930
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: though that there was the huge uprising going on and

931
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: they were not they were not standing down. They were

932
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: willing to go, you know, fight for their freedom, and

933
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: they wanted that freedom that we do have. They want

934
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: to be able to you know, scroll and death scroll

935
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: what they want on their Instagram or whatever. But then

936
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: all of a sudden COVID boom, everything shut down, force

937
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: shut down, and in China, forced shut down for a

938
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: long time.

939
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 3: Right. And one of the things that I think is

940
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: crucial to understand in the big picture, is that the

941
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: ability of human beings to rule themselves, even if it

942
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: isn't the most efficient form of government, because the most

943
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: efficient is a dictatorship, you know. But even though that is,

944
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: it is something that we embrace and that many and

945
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 3: many other people in the world do not. In the

946
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: history of man, in the history of humankind, it is rare.

947
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: It is so rare that that's what makes us exceptional.

948
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at the history of humankind,

949
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: there were a few places where there was you know,

950
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: brief sort of glimmers of liberty ancient Greece, but you know,

951
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: that's the kind of women weren't allowed to vote, blah

952
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: blah blah, you know. And of course we went through

953
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 3: the same thing where people had to earn the franchise

954
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: over over the years Roman Republic for a while. But

955
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: when you get down to it, human beings have been

956
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: run by dictators, kings, czars, emperors, oligarchs, and religious leaders

957
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: almost solely, you know, throughout the history of humankind. So

958
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: therefore what we have is precious and we should think

959
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 3: about it very carefully. So I'm dedicated to trying to

960
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 3: get our military to see the changing methods of war

961
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: as they are unfolding, and to be prepared with the

962
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: foresight to be able to adapt, improvise, and overcome. They

963
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: need to start urgently training now in a lot of

964
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: different ways. You know, our command posts can no longer

965
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 3: operate the way they used to. Our logistics systems can't

966
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: work the way they used to. We used to mass

967
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff together in one place. When you

968
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: do that, it'll get destroyed. All of those things need

969
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: to change. That is a huge train change in training regimen,

970
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: a huge change in thinking. And until the thinking changes,

971
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 3: nothing changes.

972
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: So with that, let's segue real quick. We have like

973
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: about ten more minutes to capture this. I with recruiting today,

974
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: and this is going to be a good pitch for them,

975
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm all about Hey, step inside the office,

976
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: see if you want to take the next step down

977
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: the career of the military, whatever branch that might be,

978
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: does the So the recruiting probably needs to adapt to

979
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: you know, that same concept to get strong individuals into

980
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: you know, the military service here, right, we got to

981
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: find the jobs for those flyers, those drone pilots, those

982
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: types of individuals you know, the Marines are always going

983
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: to have a pollup bar. They need that. That's their

984
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: recruiting tool. Is that pollup bar, That's what they need

985
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: to know. Can you lift this? Can you lift three

986
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 2: hundred pounds? Just in case? You know, right, what's your thoughts.

987
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 2: Let's like and you know, I want to be positive

988
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: about getting people into the military, and like you had

989
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: a great military career.

990
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: Well, every day in the US Army for me was

991
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: a blessing, even my worst days, and we had some

992
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: bad days. But I will tell you that the great

993
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: honor and privilege to serve with American soldiers, Marines, airman, sailors,

994
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 3: Coast guardsmen. I didn't serve with any Space Force guys

995
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: because it hadn't been created yet. I retired in two

996
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 3: thousand and three, but God bless them. Our challenge is

997
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 3: that we have got to get people to see the

998
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 3: value of this. Being able to serve your nation means something.

999
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 3: Our nation is exceptional. It is worth serving, it is

1000
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 3: worth being a part of and in your life. If

1001
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: you only exist for yourself, then your life is very small.

1002
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: Now you can exist for your family too, and that's

1003
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: very important and you should. But there's a nation out

1004
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 3: there that really needs your leadership. Now, I was blessed

1005
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 3: in that I was able to develop as a leader

1006
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 3: through the army. I went to West Point, I was

1007
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: airborne ranger. I was able to take command of tank

1008
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 3: companies and tank battalion in Korea, and a regiment, a

1009
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: cavalry regiment. I learned a lot about leadership and a

1010
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: lot about people. And I'm still learning. There's so much

1011
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: more to learn. Never stop learning. But what we have

1012
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 3: to do is we have to look at beyond just ourselves.

1013
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 3: If you think about life, you are a little bright

1014
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: dot in a sea of darkness. To your left is

1015
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 3: nothing but eternity when the universe started, if in fact

1016
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: it had a beginning, And to your right is nothing

1017
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: but until it ends, if it ever ends. You're this

1018
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: little dot. You're not even a blink in the eye.

1019
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 3: In fact, you're not even a blink of a blink

1020
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 3: of a blink. You know, in the whole scheme of

1021
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: this thing, what do you stand for? What would you

1022
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 3: fight for? What would you die for? Those are the

1023
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 3: questions you have to ask. And if you can answer

1024
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 3: those questions, you don't know who you are.

1025
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: Now.

1026
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 3: One of the things that I believe is that my

1027
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: purpose in life is to develop leaders and inspire service.

1028
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 3: To develop leaders and inspire service. So what is your purpose?

1029
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: And most people can't answer that question. That's sad. We

1030
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 3: should spend time thinking about that so we can answer

1031
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 3: that question.

1032
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it, and I feel like,

1033
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: you know, I've had you on here for about an hour.

1034
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: It's just flown by, and we could just go back

1035
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 2: and forth, and we didn't even get into the fact

1036
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 2: that your airborne ranger mechanized warfare awesomeness, you know, staring

1037
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: at led screens. Plus you were in during you know,

1038
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: nine to eleven when that whole thing. Let me ask

1039
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: you that, let's where were you at on nine to eleven.

1040
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 2: I mean, you were retiring in two thousand and three,

1041
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: so you had to be already probably full bird. Yeah.

1042
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 3: I was a colonel and I was commanding a cavalry

1043
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: regiment at Ford Knox, Kentucky. And I will tell you

1044
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 3: that it hit us like a sledgehammer in the face,

1045
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: and we immediately went on full alert and started to

1046
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: protect the post because nobody knew what was going to

1047
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: happen next. And then we started doing all sorts of

1048
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 3: contingency planning, and then we started getting ready for the war.

1049
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: This is what the Israelis are going through right now,

1050
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 3: only it's ten times as powerful for them because they're

1051
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 3: such a small country.

1052
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1053
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 3: I mean, when you think about the size of Israel

1054
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: and that they've mobilized so many forces and nobody's complaining.

1055
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: They're all coming together, they're all doing it. They're all

1056
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 3: serving their nation. You know. We can have disagreements, that's

1057
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 3: what democracies are about. That's fine. You can strongly believe

1058
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: anything you want, as long as you don't hurt other people.

1059
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 3: Your dialogue is really important. But when we're striped, when

1060
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: we're hit by a terrorist organization or a dictatorship, we've

1061
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 3: got to figure out how to come together.

1062
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: Now.

1063
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: We have to be smart in our response. We have

1064
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 3: to be very very good in our and focused in

1065
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: how we go about doing things. But we are facing

1066
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: challenges around the world right now that if we don't

1067
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 3: wake up and understand what's happening and gain some foresight,

1068
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 3: well it will hit us like a sledgehammer in the face,

1069
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 3: and then maybe second and third and fourth time, and

1070
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: we won't get up. We need to be able to

1071
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 3: see it coming and deflect the blow or maybe force

1072
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: the guy, the bully who has the sledgehammer to run

1073
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 3: away because he won't want to fight us. That's where

1074
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: we need to be. Now, that's what next war is about,

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Speaker 3: you know. So this book, which just came out on

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Speaker 3: the twenty eighth of September, is my attempt to educate

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Speaker 3: as many people who will listen about what's coming and

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Speaker 3: how we do this. It doesn't predict when the next

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Speaker 3: war is going to be. I'm not a prognosticator. It

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Speaker 3: talks about all the things that we need to prepare

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Speaker 3: for in order to fight it if it comes, and

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Speaker 3: maybe deter it and then fight it if it comes.

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Speaker 3: So this is really really an effort by me to

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Speaker 3: try to get as many people as possible involved in

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Speaker 3: the dialogue. You don't write a book just to make money.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I write it to get a discussion going,

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Speaker 3: and get a dialogue going. I want people to think.

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Speaker 3: I want them to read to lead.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I love that, and it's inciting you.

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Speaker 2: You just have to get it off your chest. You're

1091
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: just like, hey, you know, here's this, and like if

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00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: you should write songs, I bet you could.

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Speaker 3: My wife Chris Good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, then you can meet Taylor I had a Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we love it, We love it.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Colonel John Ansel a wonderful guest on Soft Rep Radio,

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Speaker 2: and you're always welcome back with your perspective and your conversation.

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Speaker 2: And my goal with the show is to show my

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Speaker 2: listener that you can have a conversation with somebody, and

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Speaker 2: you can have a deep conversation with somebody about very

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00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: sensitive topics, but not be at each other's throats of XYZ.

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Speaker 2: You know, I can hear your position, You can hear

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Speaker 2: a position from anybody and just be open minded to it.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of what you were referencing, you know about

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Just try to be a good person.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and remember that you are not alone in this world.

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Speaker 3: And what makes us human beings is our relationships with

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Speaker 3: other people.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and hey, and on that. If you're a

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00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: veteran out there, I believe the VA has a crisis line.

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Speaker 2: It's nine eight eight, all right, and if you feel

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00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: like you're alone out there, just pick up the phone

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Speaker 2: and call nine eight eight. The VA has a line.

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Speaker 2: Ask him or hit me up on Instagram. I'll reply

1116
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Speaker 2: to you. I have done it before at three am,

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Speaker 2: and you know you're not alone out there. And I

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Speaker 2: like what he just said. And with that said, I've

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Speaker 2: I've had the colonel for an hour. We're going to

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Speaker 2: let him go. As soon as I mentioned Leadership Rising,

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Speaker 2: what's the rest of the name of your book, Leadership Rising?

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Speaker 3: Leadership Rising is a leadership book. Then I wrote a

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Speaker 3: book called seven Seconds to Die, about the second to

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Speaker 3: going to carabout war. Let me see, here's a copy

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Speaker 3: of it.

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Speaker 2: What a wonderful library.

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Speaker 3: You have to thank you. This is all about the

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Speaker 3: second to going to carabout war and how we can

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Speaker 3: learn from that war. Seven seconds to Die because the

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Speaker 3: an Armenian soldier said that when he saw the drones,

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Speaker 3: he had seven seconds to run or die and just

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Speaker 3: and of course next War is the one that just

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Speaker 3: came out. And this book is again trying to get

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Speaker 3: a dialogue about how we need to think and reimagine

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Speaker 3: how we fight. So it's Next War reimagining how we fight.

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Speaker 2: So I found it everywhere.

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Speaker 3: I want to thank you for this great opportunity to

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Speaker 3: talk to you and your listeners. You know, God bless

1139
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: our military and our nation and all the great things

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Speaker 3: they stand for, and let's make it better every day.

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Speaker 2: One dred percent, Sir. I am a steward in these

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Speaker 2: shoes and all I could do is the best step

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Speaker 2: forward every single day. And so I think if you're

1144
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: being on our show, I want everyone to go check

1145
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: you out at Amazon or wherever books are sold, go

1146
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: check out the colonel stuff and give them a comment

1147
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Speaker 2: and reply and leave a review on his book so

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Speaker 2: that you know it can rise to the top because

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Speaker 2: it needs to. And with that said, this is rad saying,

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Speaker 2: check out the merch check out the book club for

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Speaker 2: softwarep dot com. And thanks to Brandon Webb for always

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Speaker 2: putting me behind the mic. And I'm saying peace, Who

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Speaker 2: Army Strong

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